Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is in the best shape
Speaker 1: of their lives from the Christling podcast. No, it's around
Speaker 1: the NFL Combine week condition on Dan Hans's with Greg Rosens,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. You would think how many
Speaker 1: times I've said it, never stumble over a word. But
Speaker 1: that's like, I mean, or you're you know, you have
Speaker 1: a nine point nine nine nine success rate. That's maybe
Speaker 1: the first time you flubbed that in you know, seven
Speaker 1: times a bad flu It was whereas I pointed out
Speaker 1: in the last show, I'm human, you're human too. It's
Speaker 1: been proven infallible. A lot of people killing Greg for
Speaker 1: that in the UK. It's Rosen tall you know, they
Speaker 1: never they did not into hum is that way? Is
Speaker 1: that my flub? Maybe I could have stuck with that
Speaker 1: and just I'm a human. Wait, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are talking about that. I mean, I just you know,
Speaker 1: I check in. I check in on Twitter once in
Speaker 1: a while, which Greg apparently never reads his his mentions.
Speaker 1: But it's like people saying, you have to point out
Speaker 1: your human, right, We've got a color issue with your
Speaker 1: human you're perceived. Yeah, so that I do think that
Speaker 1: you're human. So I don't know why you needed to.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you were attempting to. Are you
Speaker 1: human or are you dancers? Tell us just like sometimes
Speaker 1: the killers just just barely missed the mark. They shoot
Speaker 1: for the sun and sometimes veers to the left that
Speaker 1: what is I'm I'm a soldier, I'm not a I'm
Speaker 1: a I got sold but I'm not a soldier. That
Speaker 1: was another one that was like that one. It's a
Speaker 1: little time sub Mark's eyes light up though when he
Speaker 1: said the best shape of I think Mark you were
Speaker 1: was that look to sort of say, like, I am
Speaker 1: in the best shape. I don't think I am, but
Speaker 1: my my but Greg, my body, my choices. It was
Speaker 1: one of these things where you said, no, we aren't
Speaker 1: well I speak for where we had talked about that
Speaker 1: on the show Greg before, and you had I felt like,
Speaker 1: gotten better with it. You'll speaking for the podcast to
Speaker 1: be in the best shape of his life, all three
Speaker 1: of us would have to be in good shape, all right,
Speaker 1: and I am so far are off the best shape
Speaker 1: of my life. It eliminates any possibility that that that
Speaker 1: the group could be there. I think you're correcting where
Speaker 1: you were coming from on that. That was exactly where
Speaker 1: I was coming. You could let us us how we
Speaker 1: feel about our where we're at, visit your own forms
Speaker 1: so great personal I'm not just signing some Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you guys are assuming the physical shape. It could
Speaker 1: be like the shape of the podcast itself. True, Is
Speaker 1: it in the best shape? It's fine. I'd argue that
Speaker 1: there are there. There's a variable levels there as well
Speaker 1: in terms of where we are sitting right now at
Speaker 1: this moment. There now, there's going to be some long
Speaker 1: like subreadt thread is the podcast in danger. Everything's fine.
Speaker 1: We're happy to be here. We love being here in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles during Combine Week, and we're going to get
Speaker 1: into Combine Week because the head coaches the GMS spoke
Speaker 1: at their podiums, their risers at the indian Indianapolis Convention Center.
Speaker 1: And speaking of which, a couple things out of the
Speaker 1: convention center, which we've been to a dozen plus times
Speaker 1: at this point. One M Andrew Gruver. Do we know
Speaker 1: Andrew Gruver? Of course we do. Yeah. Gruver is somebody
Speaker 1: who's worked on the NFL network side, in the newsroom
Speaker 1: and remotely for years. He went viral. Wait because he
Speaker 1: he's an Alabama guy, by the way, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you knew that gruver. He posted a video of
Speaker 1: Bryce Young has arrived at the combine, which as of
Speaker 1: right now, you know, doing big numbers, over seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand views of the video and a lot of comments
Speaker 1: about the slight nature of Bryce Young, who measured in
Speaker 1: I believe at five ten and a half. And you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear a lot about Bryce Young, a guy who's
Speaker 1: a lot of people think could be the number one
Speaker 1: pick in this draft. And the record in the non
Speaker 1: Drew Brees category for guys that don't have the height
Speaker 1: in the league is not good. So that's going to
Speaker 1: be a major story. So Bryce Young is the first
Speaker 1: guy it's literally non existent, I mean just at that height.
Speaker 1: But also if you look at the video, it's not
Speaker 1: the heights. The one thing I think a lot of
Speaker 1: if you listen to like a lot of personalizes, it's
Speaker 1: the weight. They're wondering if you'll even way in the bulk,
Speaker 1: if he even cross two hundred pounds, you have to
Speaker 1: drink like four gallons of milk. It's a bit of
Speaker 1: a Kyler Murray. Look to his build as well. He
Speaker 1: seems slights Kyler's got that like strong. I think they're
Speaker 1: worrying giant, giant head dude. The helmet. Ye feels like
Speaker 1: his profile is very different. Um. And the other thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to say about the Combine and that Convention Center,
Speaker 1: I've never forgotten. So if I remember it, I'll let
Speaker 1: you know. But shout out to Groover Um. Coming up
Speaker 1: later today, Mike Garifolo, he's at the Combine and he's
Speaker 1: gonna sit down with us and talk about, uh, some
Speaker 1: news that he's hearing. We'll get into, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the quarterback news around the league obviously remains a
Speaker 1: wide open situation, a fluid situation for various big name quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Coming up later this week tomorrow. In fact, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have Landzierline, who's in for many years one of the
Speaker 1: great analysts of the draft scene with NFL Network, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have him and have him get us up
Speaker 1: to speed. So that's good, good coverage. I like it.
Speaker 1: And then the on field stuff starts Thursday. They've changed,
Speaker 1: they changed around the schedule almost every year now. They've
Speaker 1: to optimize ratings and whatnot. And we're going defensive linemen, linebackers, Thursday.
Speaker 1: We got the quarterbacks on Saturday, but four days of
Speaker 1: on field. Daniel Jeremiah's Super Bowls come in. Thank you Now,
Speaker 1: I remember what I wanted to say, Jeremiah said of
Speaker 1: Bryce Young with his skill set, if he's your classic
Speaker 1: six three two twenty dude, he's talking him up like
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. He's talking them up like Trevor Lawrence. So
Speaker 1: that is something that is. Everything else is there, but
Speaker 1: the size. We'll get into that with Lands tomorrow. Someone's
Speaker 1: gonna fall in love. Absolutely, someone will tuck themselves into it.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be a problem, you know who
Speaker 1: It was a problem for Baker and Kyler. Right, It's tough.
Speaker 1: The lineman in the league keep getting bigger. The defensive
Speaker 1: lineman keep getting bigger. It's to have a clean pocket
Speaker 1: and not get half your passes knocked down. What's more
Speaker 1: frustrating than your team driving or attempting to drive and
Speaker 1: one out of every four passes swatted. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's as a long time Baker follower, that was
Speaker 1: a regular baked into a regular part of we're not
Speaker 1: even using that part of the field. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why, you know, he's the heavy favorite in Vegas
Speaker 1: to be the number one overall pick. Is that nothing
Speaker 1: about his game sort of spells that out, Like the
Speaker 1: game looks more like a Borough type prospect where he's
Speaker 1: used in the middle of the field, where he sees
Speaker 1: the field like a quarterback that he finds a way somehow.
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's it's like unforeseen. Seneca Wallace was
Speaker 1: the last quarterback approximately that small that played, uh at
Speaker 1: the NFL level. Although like, what's no busting canton for
Speaker 1: Seneca wall on one hand, then that's like, what's an
Speaker 1: inch between him and Drew Brees? Is that like that
Speaker 1: that inch makes all the difference where you have new chance?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't about the height with Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: It was between the ears and in odd a guy
Speaker 1: from New York. Let's uh get caught up on the news.
Speaker 1: You know. I spent parts of a couple of days
Speaker 1: imagining what it would be like to retire and then
Speaker 1: imagining what it would be like to continue to play.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and that's Aaron Rodgers on Uh. He
Speaker 1: did a podcast with his friend Aubrey Marcus Aubrey Marcus
Speaker 1: k Mark in Unison that was unusual. I like it,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers could end up the quarterback of the Jets,
Speaker 1: and I would be very excited for a player skill
Speaker 1: point of view. But I am just so so exhausted
Speaker 1: by having I feel like I'm being held hostage right
Speaker 1: now as a football fan, Like there's I know you
Speaker 1: guys listen to it, and that's a good job by
Speaker 1: you guys. Like an hour and a half conversation with
Speaker 1: his buddy and saying things like talking about his darkness
Speaker 1: retreat and imagining what it would be like retired and
Speaker 1: imagining He's like, holy god, boy, just make a decision.
Speaker 1: Let the Packers do what they need to do, and
Speaker 1: let's get on with this already. It's it's so self
Speaker 1: serving and exhausting is the word that I keep thinking of.
Speaker 1: And if a week from now he's a member of
Speaker 1: the Jets, I'm going to be thrilled because the idea
Speaker 1: of having him pilot that team after the crap that
Speaker 1: I've watched the quarterback forever is a beautiful thought, But
Speaker 1: all the other stuff that comes with it, it makes
Speaker 1: me think, God, if that actually happened, if he goes
Speaker 1: to New York, how is that going to play out
Speaker 1: when this is how he talks now all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, if he gets to the Jets,
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff goes away, you think, So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they don't know if it does. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying entirely, but just like the the off season
Speaker 1: Willier won't he stay in Green Bay part of it,
Speaker 1: and we're in a major different story and it's a
Speaker 1: new shot, Like I think what stays is Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: not the football player or even like the unique guy
Speaker 1: out in the realm of professional sports. It's this this
Speaker 1: projection of him. Now, it's like Aaron Rodgers shaman, like right, well,
Speaker 1: so that Steven Seagal ask almost I think, like you
Speaker 1: like the way you're frustration and you expressed it to
Speaker 1: Greg and I before the show a little bit like, um,
Speaker 1: totally get it. I think I've been on the I'm
Speaker 1: frustrated with Aaron Rodgers train, which it veers off into
Speaker 1: into nothingness like see offseason after off seasons. So it's
Speaker 1: like I'm there with you there. I think the thing
Speaker 1: here is I think it could have done all this
Speaker 1: without telling anyone. You could have gone And I have
Speaker 1: no issue with what he did which has gone and
Speaker 1: like he basically talks about like the retreat that he
Speaker 1: went on where he did contemplate deeply, the fact that
Speaker 1: he spent this time in a struggle wanting to be
Speaker 1: more than just a football player, but that during his
Speaker 1: time in it, if you listen to it, I think
Speaker 1: you gain a little bit of appreciation for it. Like
Speaker 1: he came to a point where like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I actually I am lucky to have done what I've done.
Speaker 1: I'm lucky to be a football player. It's given my
Speaker 1: life and me incredible things he talked about. You know,
Speaker 1: we know he's had familial issues, he's had issues with
Speaker 1: his parents, with his siblings that he went in and
Speaker 1: like contemplated and healed all that. So I think the
Speaker 1: thing about it from a human angle, and I'm not
Speaker 1: coming like, oh this is so perfect to better Roses.
Speaker 1: But maybe he comes out to this next final phase
Speaker 1: of his career, he's thirty nine, a more whole person
Speaker 1: with some of that stuff solved. My thing is, you
Speaker 1: could have done all that without us talking about it.
Speaker 1: The only reason we're tired of it is because he
Speaker 1: cannot prevent himself from speaking publicly about it, which is
Speaker 1: is right, by the way, but I think it creates
Speaker 1: this alternate exhaustion where it's like we are not focused
Speaker 1: on the football player, We're focused on all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything wrong with it as
Speaker 1: he's creating that reality, the darkness retreat and all this
Speaker 1: other holistic type like that actually did cure him of
Speaker 1: his allies. I'm not saying it did, but I would
Speaker 1: say I would say the one thing is like the
Speaker 1: one thing that's annoying that it for me takes place
Speaker 1: in like the sports reporter environment. It's like it's just
Speaker 1: immediately dismissed. And a lot of the stuff that he's
Speaker 1: talking about is basically just wouldn't be the worst thing
Speaker 1: for some human beings to do in general. Looking at
Speaker 1: the whole lives now, the darkness and traits outed a
Speaker 1: little intriguing to me to shry out. Once you you
Speaker 1: said you listen to it, Mark, and you grew a
Speaker 1: greater like appreciation you made you Like, I just I remove,
Speaker 1: like if you listen to it, A kind of removed
Speaker 1: the like football part of it, because I am annoyed
Speaker 1: that we have to track them show after show. That
Speaker 1: part is tedious, it's ponderous. I think it must be
Speaker 1: tiring for the listeners for it's going on and on.
Speaker 1: I mean we don't we don't do full shows on it.
Speaker 1: But I just think this was just sort of an
Speaker 1: It was just him speaking about what he did versus
Speaker 1: versus some like uh scribe describing what he did with
Speaker 1: no concept of it right he makes it. There is
Speaker 1: some sort of disconnect of like him, you know, coming
Speaker 1: out of the darkness retreat and then immediately going on
Speaker 1: like a hugely popular podcast. But but it is it
Speaker 1: is his friend. Um we've all got um mouth to feed,
Speaker 1: and and it's the way to get out his view
Speaker 1: in an unfiltered way. And these two men really love
Speaker 1: each other. That was my biggest takeaway, as they are
Speaker 1: extremely close and and but I don't have to care
Speaker 1: about his relationship. But I feel like it's being kind
Speaker 1: of put on us as football fans, like we have
Speaker 1: to follow every aspect of this man's life. And it's
Speaker 1: like they're players are more than we are. We are
Speaker 1: the media. So we could just have not included him
Speaker 1: on the rundown, And that's a that's a choice. Can't
Speaker 1: really do that because he's one of the greatest players
Speaker 1: to ever live, who might be changing teams after eighteen years,
Speaker 1: Like we could feel like sometimes where it being Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: The reason you're gonna deal with New York is like
Speaker 1: he's still gonna do Pat McAfee probably whatever wherever he goes.
Speaker 1: He could have chosen to do all this on his own.
Speaker 1: That's all I would have think would have changed. We
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here, wouldn't be dealing. And the reason why
Speaker 1: he does the podcast, and he said it was he
Speaker 1: wants to inspire others to take a similar path that
Speaker 1: he wants. The guy he's doing the podcast with literally
Speaker 1: went from selling, uh, like as a marketer flesh lights
Speaker 1: to quickly turn it into a hundred million dollars flesh lights.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Uh, it's a product that people use.
Speaker 1: Can't just say that with actual gratification. It's not you
Speaker 1: know that it is a part of life to certain
Speaker 1: marketplace and turned it as a business partner, turned it
Speaker 1: with his business partner, Joe Rogan quickly into like a
Speaker 1: motivational um kind of what Tom Brady tried to do
Speaker 1: with his company too, kind of mixing holistic medicine and
Speaker 1: nutrition and turned it into a multi hundred million dollar
Speaker 1: operation that he's sold and and that's part of this
Speaker 1: whole thing too, is it you are feeling like he
Speaker 1: wants to sell a certain idea into in his mind,
Speaker 1: help people out and kind of be a thought leader,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's doing it, I think so publicly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the one thing I would I would disagree with,
Speaker 1: although open to multiple views on it, is that he's
Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of this to try to help people.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I've
Speaker 1: never thought he's a bad guy. Um, I just think
Speaker 1: that search a lot of this is a lot of
Speaker 1: the searching. While I think it's authentic on one level,
Speaker 1: the fact that we need to be told of it
Speaker 1: every step of the way and he has to share this.
Speaker 1: I think he likes things being projected back onto himself.
Speaker 1: He likes being the center of the news cycle. Which
Speaker 1: also it's not necessarily a bad thing. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that do that, But when it's dressed up
Speaker 1: as in some type of altruistic way, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I totally buy it. Then again, if he's my quarterback,
Speaker 1: I will take you'll be buying in a fortn He
Speaker 1: spent a day talking about what his life would be
Speaker 1: like retiring in the darkness, and this was Grant. This
Speaker 1: was day three and four. By the way, the first
Speaker 1: two days were more personal stuff, family relationships, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Day three and four was if he was retired. Day
Speaker 1: four was if I come back to play. It just
Speaker 1: reading between the lines, I mean, he sounds like a
Speaker 1: guy who is motivated to maybe go back to play,
Speaker 1: but we'll see. And the other side of this is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can come back to play. But based on what
Speaker 1: old Goody was talking about in Indianapolis, I think the yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the Penders might be ready to move on.
Speaker 1: And then I don't think it. Roger said explicitly he
Speaker 1: doesn't think they would trade him to a place he
Speaker 1: didn't want to go, but he does not have an
Speaker 1: actual trade, no trade clause. I think they would work
Speaker 1: it out though between the two stas spending this toward
Speaker 1: more the football side of things. So Roger said in
Speaker 1: part of that podcast interview that he won't drag anyone
Speaker 1: around with his decision. And then Brian Guda kunst Um,
Speaker 1: the general manager of the Packers, had this to say
Speaker 1: about the other quarterback on the roster, Jordan Love. We're
Speaker 1: excited about him, you know. I think, you know, I've
Speaker 1: expressed to a lot of people that he needs to play.
Speaker 1: That's the next step in his progression. He needs to play.
Speaker 1: But George has done a great job, worked really hard,
Speaker 1: you know, so he's doing everything we're asking. I think
Speaker 1: I wish I could credit who tweeted it, but I
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw the toys, like this is
Speaker 1: absolutely right. This Roger's story, part of the exhaustions has
Speaker 1: been going on for years. This will he won't he?
Speaker 1: The Packers the state of their relationship. Two years ago,
Speaker 1: when this stuff was going on, the Packers publicly were like,
Speaker 1: we're not trading Aaron Rodgers. Last year when this stuff
Speaker 1: was going on, We're not trading Aaron Rodgers. This year.
Speaker 1: The guy behind him has to play. We're open to
Speaker 1: different scenarios. It still feels to me like a very
Speaker 1: very good chance that he has played his last down
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. I think it's a complete sea change
Speaker 1: in terms of the message coming from inside the Packers building.
Speaker 1: It's it's such a shift in a way. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I don't dismiss the Bob McGinn report that essentially
Speaker 1: the Packers there's an element where they're disgusted with him,
Speaker 1: and I think that kind of got thrown aside a
Speaker 1: little bit because maybe it feels a little strong, exhausted, disgusted,
Speaker 1: whatever it's like. It just feels like it's not a
Speaker 1: Jordan love thing necessarily. That's certainly a motivating factor because
Speaker 1: what we saw of him was positive. I think it's
Speaker 1: like it's time now, and Aaron Rodgers and the Packers
Speaker 1: just feel like they've come to this natural breach and
Speaker 1: it feels right for both sides. And I don't think
Speaker 1: you need to even be green Bay and worried about
Speaker 1: if there are, Like you say, I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a number of trade partners if this becomes an availability.
Speaker 1: I don't care abo outside of your own division where
Speaker 1: you trade him, you live with it. He's done a
Speaker 1: great job by you, and vice versa. You move on,
Speaker 1: you get the best haul you can in return, and
Speaker 1: you try to make Aaron Rodgers happy. I don't think
Speaker 1: it needs to end in a Brett farv like cantankerous divorce.
Speaker 1: I think they should go in the opposite direction. With this,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a chance that happens that Rogers
Speaker 1: might not be maybe his feelings will be hurt if
Speaker 1: he truly wanted back in Green Bay. But I think
Speaker 1: if they just are upfront with him, say you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna trade you, he works with him, and if
Speaker 1: this could all happen relatively quickly, so they do have
Speaker 1: a fifth year option on Jordan Love. I do buy
Speaker 1: the fact that they say explicitly they think he took
Speaker 1: a third year leap in camp in the preseason, we
Speaker 1: sought a little bit in the regular season. It all
Speaker 1: seemed to be confirmed by our eyes, but there was
Speaker 1: reporting about that even before that. If they want to
Speaker 1: give him that fifth year option, it's like, this is
Speaker 1: the time it makes sense to do it before we
Speaker 1: do move on. Though, um, Aaron Rodgers did have something
Speaker 1: like so profound that I asked justin to clip that
Speaker 1: I did just want to like go over it leave.
Speaker 1: This could change my mind. Dumps were super smooth, and
Speaker 1: in my mind, now that's my own rasturalization, they were
Speaker 1: they were all two wipers. They were two wipers and
Speaker 1: done so it didn't need more than two wipes. Honestly,
Speaker 1: they were more. We could check the underwear for the record, Well,
Speaker 1: yeah we could. They were multiple though that I didn't
Speaker 1: think I needed it. They are good friends. We gotta
Speaker 1: get Derek Carr in Floren Park. They spent like two
Speaker 1: minutes on what it was like to wipe in total darkness,
Speaker 1: because because Aubrey has done the darkness thing too, that
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot of are you serious?
Speaker 1: Said that you're that was reating doing darkness? A darkness thing?
Speaker 1: You so? No, I would, I don't think said, I
Speaker 1: thought you said, like ten minutes ago, are you joking?
Speaker 1: I said I was interested? What did I say? No?
Speaker 1: I think you didn't say. You were saying, like if
Speaker 1: in a perfect world where I didn't have like children
Speaker 1: and then these are just freely Like I think that
Speaker 1: sounds like an interesting thing to go try to do.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would try it once I have done. I
Speaker 1: had done a five days silent retreat. It wasn't in darkness.
Speaker 1: It was just somewhere where you weren't supposed to speak.
Speaker 1: Can I just I would actually go make it happen. No,
Speaker 1: but like I'm not. I wouldn't want to talk about
Speaker 1: it to people in there. But you know what, Dan,
Speaker 1: it might not be the worst thing on the planet
Speaker 1: for you if you try to. Honestly, I don't want
Speaker 1: to judge. I'm not judging. I'm just saying, like I
Speaker 1: think about things all the time about my life. I
Speaker 1: privately um consider different things, paths that I'm on, what's
Speaker 1: going on with my family and my friends. I do that,
Speaker 1: you know when I do it when I'm walking the dog,
Speaker 1: when the music, when I'm laying in bed, when you're
Speaker 1: taking them two wipers. You know, maybe it's a two
Speaker 1: wiper thing. But I'm just saying, like the idea the
Speaker 1: other thing that's like, maybe you could do maybe it
Speaker 1: would help you to think. I think about stuff all
Speaker 1: the time, but I don't need to go lay in
Speaker 1: the darkness, right. But I think it's more like, but
Speaker 1: why does that offend you? Like he doesn't have a family,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't worry about either. I'm just doesn't offend.
Speaker 1: It's more just like, let him go do what he wants.
Speaker 1: You go walk. It's like everyone I'm not into, they're
Speaker 1: not saying stuff. It's not there. There billions of people
Speaker 1: like me do plenty of contemplation, most people without hope.
Speaker 1: The difference is you aren't telling thousands upon thousands of
Speaker 1: people that you that you think while you walk your dog.
Speaker 1: I mean you are, but you aren't doing that. You
Speaker 1: weren't doing it the same way he was. Everyone everyone's different.
Speaker 1: I totally did that. I'm not saying that that there's
Speaker 1: no value to going different, taking different paths this way. Um,
Speaker 1: it's ancient too. It goes back to ancient times. A
Speaker 1: lot of stuff was happening in ancient times too, that
Speaker 1: they did have light in ancient times. They you know,
Speaker 1: during the they didn't have to say of the time,
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's keep let's keep moving here. Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1: Who is Jalen Carter Mark Sessler. He is a highly
Speaker 1: prized defensive prospect who is run into some trouble. Maybe
Speaker 1: the top prospect in this draft. I would say, the
Speaker 1: consensus top prospect if you took positions in this That's
Speaker 1: why when we talked about like DJ and all these
Speaker 1: other people that are doing their mocks and like, how
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? I know, the bears a trade
Speaker 1: in this pic. I gotta take somebody in the spot
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter because he's a top prospect defensive lineman, well,
Speaker 1: he's got some issues because he was at the at
Speaker 1: the combine in India and then he left UH suddenly
Speaker 1: because a rest warrant was issued on Jalen Carter UH
Speaker 1: for racing and reckless drive. And it's a very serious,
Speaker 1: tragic situation that he was allegedly involved with. There was
Speaker 1: a drag racing incident in January. According to the Athens
Speaker 1: Clark County Police Department, Carter was racing with Georgia recruiting
Speaker 1: staff or Chandler Lacroix, and Lacroix and a offensive lineman
Speaker 1: on the team, Devin Willock, were killed in a single
Speaker 1: car accident that night. Carter was at the scene of
Speaker 1: the incident. He left before the police came came back,
Speaker 1: misled investigators saying that he wasn't according to the police,
Speaker 1: said that he was not there when had happened. Well,
Speaker 1: the police think something else happened here, that he was
Speaker 1: directly involved with the accident, and now he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to turn himself into authorities. This is obviously not ideal
Speaker 1: and on any level, especially in terms of football terms.
Speaker 1: During combine week. Yeah, the news broke shortly before he
Speaker 1: was going to have his press comments He released the
Speaker 1: statement saying this morning he received a telephone call informing
Speaker 1: that two misdemeanor warrants, and be pointed out, these are misdemeanors.
Speaker 1: Um that's being accused for reckless driving and racing. He
Speaker 1: said that numerous media reports circulated inaccurate information concerning the
Speaker 1: tragic events. It's my intention to return to Athens and
Speaker 1: answer these misdemeanor charges, and he is no question, when
Speaker 1: all the facts are known, he'll be fully exonerated of
Speaker 1: any criminal wrongdoing. When this story popped up, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was so sad. I'm sure you guys saw a
Speaker 1: lot of it. Bubbly, even us, not as college football fans,
Speaker 1: like as it happened, like what a tragic story. A
Speaker 1: woman who's closed, you know, who worked and was involved
Speaker 1: with the students, and then another athlete and Carter was
Speaker 1: broken up. And even just from a human angle, you
Speaker 1: can just think about like that this all happened, and
Speaker 1: this is happening like right before he's gonna have this
Speaker 1: scouting combine, and you you hurt for the families involved,
Speaker 1: and you hurt for him. You can be empathetic with
Speaker 1: him no matter what he did that night. It's like
Speaker 1: an incredibly traumatic and like life changing you almost like
Speaker 1: it almost seems like like a bad movie and kind
Speaker 1: of a nightmare for everyone. I mean, I guess the
Speaker 1: thing that we've learned doing the show, so long as
Speaker 1: like it's got to play out, he will have a
Speaker 1: chance to tell his side of the story. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of NFL teams they're gonna want to
Speaker 1: like hear what he has to say about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's stuff around him that goes a little bit before
Speaker 1: this incident as well. So it's it's all happening very publicly,
Speaker 1: and I think when you know he's like twenty one
Speaker 1: years old, suddenly this thing that could again if he
Speaker 1: were a different type of person, take place in private,
Speaker 1: is happening in front of the entire world. And it's
Speaker 1: probably a lot to bear on your shoulders. And the
Speaker 1: whole incident to start with, yeah, not good at all.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and hit the rest of the news.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back. Let's get more into again. Everyone
Speaker 1: at the risers at the combine. We're not at the combine,
Speaker 1: other people at the combin So here is Bengals GM
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin T. Higgins a subject of interest. They have
Speaker 1: a lot of money to hand out to Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow, and does that leave enough to take
Speaker 1: care of t Higgins as star wide receiver in his
Speaker 1: own right? So thoughts could he be traded? Well, here's
Speaker 1: what Tobin I'd just says, go get your own stud
Speaker 1: I'm not in the business of making other teams better.
Speaker 1: I'm in the business of making the Cincinnati Bengals better,
Speaker 1: and so trading T Higgins is not on my mind.
Speaker 1: That's their problem. They want to receiver, go find your
Speaker 1: own you know, in my opinion, you know, T Higgins
Speaker 1: is a good piece for the Cincinnati Bengals. So the
Speaker 1: trade stuff is a little ridiculous right now. See I
Speaker 1: like to hear these because you could really parse, like
Speaker 1: what's real and what's not. Te Higgins is on the
Speaker 1: Bengals next September. Anybody disagree? No, I completely agree. I
Speaker 1: love this new energy from the Bengals because we talked
Speaker 1: to Duke Tobin a year ago when we were president
Speaker 1: at the Combine Human Form and he basically told us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go out and get a bunch of linemen
Speaker 1: and find a way to protect over He just went
Speaker 1: straight forward and said, yeah, this is a needer, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go address it right and they went and did it.
Speaker 1: And I kind of think this is how the Bengals
Speaker 1: want to operate from here on out. They don't need
Speaker 1: to toy with us verbally. I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: reason that you moved t Higgins. Look at if they're
Speaker 1: If you're the Bengals right now, I would just say
Speaker 1: this real quick. You look at the Chiefs over the
Speaker 1: last couple of months. You went from a team that
Speaker 1: lost last year in the playoffs, came off a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl loss the year before, and now you're back on
Speaker 1: the mountaintop. The Bengals keep getting close. Their window is
Speaker 1: open forever with Joe Burrow, as they said, why would
Speaker 1: you remove a guy in te Higgins who, honestly, ultimately
Speaker 1: we might look back and say he could match Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase's career, He could even have a better career. You
Speaker 1: never know all these things. I just say he played.
Speaker 1: He played the number one role all year long when
Speaker 1: Chase wasn't in the lineup and totally thrived. I thought
Speaker 1: one of the only reasons they got to where they
Speaker 1: were is because of guys like t Higgins. I'd have
Speaker 1: to make a list, but I feel pretty safe Te
Speaker 1: Higgins would be in my top fifteen receivers in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And this story bubbled up, I think, And someone point
Speaker 1: out if I'm wrong, but I think it all came
Speaker 1: from like some aggregating gone wrong. This used to be
Speaker 1: on my radar, as you know, we tried to have
Speaker 1: rules about aggregating roadal world and it was just like
Speaker 1: presented in an athletic article of like all the possible
Speaker 1: things that could be on the table, just to you,
Speaker 1: not even not even suggested even in the article. They
Speaker 1: kind of said, this is unlikely, this isn't going to happen,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to, you know, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to start thinking about the future these are And then
Speaker 1: someone kind of went a little too hard from it,
Speaker 1: and then it just took fire and it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think they're gonna keep Tyler Boyd too,
Speaker 1: which people have speculated that would make more sense, but
Speaker 1: he's not really paid that much. I think they know
Speaker 1: this is a beautiful window. Joe Burrow's gonna get his
Speaker 1: money this year. They've talked about that this is a
Speaker 1: beautiful window where they're all together. Probably not all gonna
Speaker 1: be together forever. I don't think t Higgins is getting
Speaker 1: that long term contract from the Bengals. You might get
Speaker 1: franchise tech next year, but that's next year. Keep all together.
Speaker 1: One about you send that aggregator into a four day darkness,
Speaker 1: retreat him. Better send him all there, or send him
Speaker 1: on a walk with his dog on that you just
Speaker 1: walk around with the dog, go take that. And you
Speaker 1: know who else wins there, but the just you the dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ge Wize gets forty five minutes right around in a
Speaker 1: basement all day long. It's hot out hell yeah um,
Speaker 1: And I agree. And I love Joe Burrow, and you
Speaker 1: know he's got that swag and that confidence and that ability.
Speaker 1: Uh So when he says our super Bowl window is
Speaker 1: my whole career, I'm with you. But right it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's open as long as you don't lose your
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in almost voodoo like cruel fashion one a
Speaker 1: week for five straight weeks. So it's truly preposterous to
Speaker 1: what happened to that injury. Luck is is not great.
Speaker 1: But the point I was trying to make was that,
Speaker 1: uh with your Super Bowl window, it's never gonna be
Speaker 1: as open as it is when you, ironically the quarterback
Speaker 1: are being paid below your market value for what you
Speaker 1: bring to your team. So the window, sure, it's open
Speaker 1: for as long as he is a quarterback. But during
Speaker 1: this rookie contract, however, long much longer less, it's too
Speaker 1: much longer. It's like that kind of that was it,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think part of the frustration if
Speaker 1: I'm a Bengals fan, it's those last two years to
Speaker 1: get that close when you had that huge advantage. We
Speaker 1: shall see. I hope they stick around. I like watching
Speaker 1: the Bengals UM play big games. In other news, the
Speaker 1: Eagles have um repopulated their coordinator seats Sean Desai is
Speaker 1: their new defensive coordinator. Brian Johnson the new OC after
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen got a head coaching job, and so did
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon. Uh So the Eagles UH populate and get
Speaker 1: set there. I think I think this is um a
Speaker 1: case where I trust the Eagles uh innately with what
Speaker 1: they've done over the last couple of years with their
Speaker 1: reboot post Doug Peterson and just listen to Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: talk about Brian Johnson. He's basically said, this guy is
Speaker 1: he works with him one on one every day. This
Speaker 1: is the next big head coach. He has been coaching
Speaker 1: and working around Jalen Hurts, and Jalen Hurts was four
Speaker 1: years old. Johnson's dad called coach Jalen World. So that
Speaker 1: so it's like, that is that transition. I trust with
Speaker 1: the said, I mean, he's been he is a he's
Speaker 1: a good coll he's been a coordinator before. He's everyone
Speaker 1: who's been around him. Pete Carroll gushed about him. But
Speaker 1: think about this defense like free your free agents include
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, Javon Hargrave, Brandon Graham, James Bradberry, Chauncey Gardner, Johnson, Lynvall,
Speaker 1: Joseph Robert, Quinn, Donickin, Sue and Kaiser White, bar T J.
Speaker 1: Edwards in there. Yes, I mean there's a lot of transition.
Speaker 1: I think that coordinator has got a bigger challenge than
Speaker 1: Brian Johnson does. Right now, Brian Johnson's gonna be a
Speaker 1: head coaching candidate if the Eagles often stays effect just
Speaker 1: the way they they talk about him and good on
Speaker 1: Sirianni kind of talking, yeah, talking that talk, walking that
Speaker 1: walk he had three coordinators of color, like we don't
Speaker 1: see many black offensive coordinators and said Johnson is one
Speaker 1: that's risen and people love what he did in college
Speaker 1: and love it at the pros. Decide was with the
Speaker 1: Bears in Naggi's last year. Um came from the Fangio Tree.
Speaker 1: Everyone Fangio is really influential. Yeah, half the league is
Speaker 1: the Fangio Tree, and they h infamously, at least for
Speaker 1: Eagles fans had Fngio be a consultant for the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and well they run a lot of Fio stuff.
Speaker 1: Had had a rough game but brought into Seahawks lost
Speaker 1: some big coaches. That was like my darkness to Tree,
Speaker 1: don't anything more than that was beautiful. I have reset.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Jonathan Ghannon, he is the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals and it is going to be a
Speaker 1: transition year for the Arizona Cardinals because Kyler Murray had
Speaker 1: ACL reconstruction surgery. He is going to miss a chunk
Speaker 1: of the regular season. Gannon said on the podium in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: They're not going to rush him back because quote part
Speaker 1: of what makes Kyler so elite, you know, are his legs.
Speaker 1: So when he's ready to play, he'll play. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly the timetable right now. That all makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. What doesn't make is much sense to me.
Speaker 1: And perhaps, gentlemen, you could shine a light in this regard.
Speaker 1: Is why there's so much talk about DeAndre Hopkins leaving
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I know there's some contract things. In terms
Speaker 1: of guaranteed money left on his deal, there isn't any,
Speaker 1: so this would be a time you could move him
Speaker 1: in a painless manner. But then what does that leave
Speaker 1: for Kyler Murray when he gets back, or Cult McCoy,
Speaker 1: for instance, while he's there. Anyway, these are questions I have.
Speaker 1: Here is what Gannon said about the uncertain future of
Speaker 1: his number one wide receiver. We are evaluating everyone. I
Speaker 1: know this. He's a premier receiver. You have to have
Speaker 1: a plan for He limits you with how you have
Speaker 1: to play defense. He's a valuable asslet for us going
Speaker 1: Why though, Well, I mean so because they're not going
Speaker 1: to be competitive this year and now is the time
Speaker 1: where his value is still high enough. And I think
Speaker 1: that's just a restart, and he's slowed down. He's not
Speaker 1: as good a player and so what's he gonna be
Speaker 1: when he's thirty one or thirty two, twenty twenty thirty,
Speaker 1: when he is competitive. He's thirty one now and he
Speaker 1: has a thirty million dollar cap hit. You have a
Speaker 1: new general manager in a new coach. I just think
Speaker 1: it's probably trending towards Anne. It's another year were last
Speaker 1: year you didn't have Hopkins for the big chunk of
Speaker 1: the season to start. Now you don't know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get out of Murray and it's another mismatch. And
Speaker 1: then he's only on under contract for one more year.
Speaker 1: So I think it's like trade high, move on. It's
Speaker 1: not ideal, but they probably run out of options with
Speaker 1: the guy right when he's When they say he's not sure,
Speaker 1: I mean that usually just means it's over. I get it.
Speaker 1: I get your point. Dan. Whoever the quarterback is going
Speaker 1: to be there. He's heard some teddy whispers. He's worked
Speaker 1: with their offensive coordinator, like for while Kyler Murray's hurt,
Speaker 1: like it's not it's not helping him. But he also
Speaker 1: isn't quite the same player. I think he could get
Speaker 1: a little rejuvenation machine. Though he's not like a separator
Speaker 1: he'd be a nice number two. I feel like, give
Speaker 1: me a perfect number two. They were coordinators. Drew Petsing
Speaker 1: like he spent all last season with Jacobe percent is
Speaker 1: a free rights. That's a nice little guy. I would
Speaker 1: love him as a Corey Davis replacement. And for the
Speaker 1: Jets playing across from a certain because I didn't get
Speaker 1: a good pick, don't you. I think you might get
Speaker 1: a friend. And maybe he's not the same guy, and
Speaker 1: he is coming off a PD, but he's not ancient.
Speaker 1: And in just nine games last year he had sixty
Speaker 1: four catches over seven hundred yards. I mean, he's still
Speaker 1: highly productive. I would want him. I'm a team in
Speaker 1: a second. I just get why the Cardinals, with every
Speaker 1: all these new faces, might just be just gonna be
Speaker 1: a really if they trade Hopkins was like a top
Speaker 1: five receiver at one time, and maybe now he's a
Speaker 1: top twenty receiver. He still needs somebody to catch balls
Speaker 1: and be your number one guy. I get it, though,
Speaker 1: you're spinning forward, but you're I mean, are you tanking?
Speaker 1: If you have a Cardinal? This year? Is that where
Speaker 1: this is heading? They'll never say it, but it seems
Speaker 1: like the kind of year where you got to give
Speaker 1: everyone just a free pass depending on when you get
Speaker 1: Kyler back and what the RUSSA a great job. Jonathan
Speaker 1: Anna took over a very tough gig here, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about that. But if they start trading the assets
Speaker 1: they have in addition to all the uncertainty a quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's what's called an unintentional tank. Their offensive line. They
Speaker 1: have eight offensive line free agents off a defensive line
Speaker 1: that wasn't very good, and about six or seven defensive
Speaker 1: contributors off a defense that wasn't good. It's like, thank you, Steve.
Speaker 1: CON's a true rebuilding. Yes, yes, yes, let's see John Lynch,
Speaker 1: John Lynch Mark, who's John Lynch? He is the general
Speaker 1: manager thing I'm just going to start doing. I don't
Speaker 1: like the open questions in general. I don't mind this one.
Speaker 1: The general manager of the Niners, who a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago when we were at the Combine, when I
Speaker 1: took a dare from west to where my bathrobe over
Speaker 1: to the convention center, looked over and wondering if it
Speaker 1: was an NFL prospect. I don't know what, maybe a puncher,
Speaker 1: a kicker, but he was like, why is someone allowed
Speaker 1: over here in the bathroom and that's with you then yo,
Speaker 1: we already yeah, um, I mean an established um premier
Speaker 1: general manager and too yeah, when I do that, I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna put you in a tough spot like where
Speaker 1: I'll be like you have before. No, I would never
Speaker 1: do that, And I want I'm like Mark who's before today?
Speaker 1: For instance, Mark, who's Aubrey Marcus? Like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do that to you. Okay, I'll measure whether or not
Speaker 1: you're doing this. That will be my end putting, not yours.
Speaker 1: H John Lynch GM of the Niners. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you have that right, but that is who he is.
Speaker 1: He had this to say about the quarterback situation for
Speaker 1: San Francisco, which is, you know a little bit dodgy,
Speaker 1: still with Brock Purty, still hasn't even had surgery yet
Speaker 1: on the elbow Trey Lance coming off a season ending injury.
Speaker 1: Jimmy g out the door. Here's where Lynch came down
Speaker 1: at the combine. I felt like, felt really good going
Speaker 1: to training camp that we were kind of insulated in
Speaker 1: the event that anything happened, and you know, unfortunately it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite enough. It got us right at the end.
Speaker 1: And so I think we're all product of our experiences. Um,
Speaker 1: we've learned. Um. You know, it was in some meetings
Speaker 1: today where the league's discussing potential solutions for you know,
Speaker 1: third quarterbacks such that we never have that kind of
Speaker 1: but the reality is it's it's very few and far
Speaker 1: between where those instances happen. Um, So you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see and yeah, we we may have to look into
Speaker 1: the quarterback market in addition to Brock and Tray to
Speaker 1: insulate ourselves from from whatever may happen. You could hear
Speaker 1: it Lynch's voice. He's just kind of annoyed. He's like,
Speaker 1: I thought I had this covered and the possibly I
Speaker 1: do not. Right. It's like his house was broken into
Speaker 1: and so you get like a great security system and
Speaker 1: then it was like broken into again, and you're then
Speaker 1: you like build a form tree drop, right, you like
Speaker 1: build a fortress around it. It It was broken in again,
Speaker 1: and he just like, what what could I possibly do?
Speaker 1: It is a good offseason, though, to just like bring
Speaker 1: in a guy, I assume that's all it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Although they feel so desperate and hungry for to capitalize
Speaker 1: on the Super Bowl window, that you never know. I
Speaker 1: feel like they'd be a wild card in some bigger names,
Speaker 1: but if not, they can get in like the Heineke
Speaker 1: Keenum sort of market. Mariota. I don't know, maybe just
Speaker 1: as like an extra third Mike White. How about Mike White.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting with the Cardinal going back to
Speaker 1: the Cardinals for a second, like if they are tanking,
Speaker 1: or if they are not tanking, we will I guess see,
Speaker 1: or or perhaps it will be hinted strongly to us
Speaker 1: like Cult, McCoy a respect mark. If they just roll
Speaker 1: with Cult for six to eight to ten to twelve
Speaker 1: to seventeen games, that's pretty good indication that they are
Speaker 1: perfectly fine with this thing rolling out a certain way.
Speaker 1: Because there are plenty of options to go find somebody
Speaker 1: to cover you this season. If you wanted to go
Speaker 1: that route, that would be probably an upgrade over where
Speaker 1: McCoy is in two thousand. I would really push for
Speaker 1: someone like percent because I think you can you can
Speaker 1: say we're not aiming for the super Bowl, but he
Speaker 1: can get you adequate start. I think Cole McCoy with
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury gone and Cole McCoy's concussion issues and the
Speaker 1: way that season ended. I'm not sure where Cole McCoy's
Speaker 1: next season at all. He had a minor procedure U
Speaker 1: it was revealed, but we did see him at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Hotel thirty seven. He looked, He looked fantastic.
Speaker 1: He's kind of in great shape. Think he'll probably be
Speaker 1: released unfortunately, but we do not wish that upon him. Well,
Speaker 1: or they just roll with them and they're like, let's
Speaker 1: do this. They're not rolling. They're not gonna go Cole McCoy.
Speaker 1: That's just don't there's no connected tissue to the current
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I see what Dan's saying. Now, we might
Speaker 1: want to win. It would be a way to like
Speaker 1: they already had that draft pick right now that I
Speaker 1: mean to put. You have a good soldier there. Cult
Speaker 1: McCoy is a good soldier, but he's not gonna lift
Speaker 1: the team. I don't need to see Cole McCoy playing
Speaker 1: anymore football. I'm surprised the people around him that love him,
Speaker 1: I'm sure have some mixed feelings. I'm sure he has
Speaker 1: some mixed feelings, and based on watching hard knocks and
Speaker 1: stuff like, I know he loves football, but man, it's
Speaker 1: they do what Either put him in the dark room
Speaker 1: or send him on a walk with the captain my dog,
Speaker 1: I mean with your dog, well or his dog whatever.
Speaker 1: But uh, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna undercut
Speaker 1: the market for Aubrey be Now you're gonna be charging people.
Speaker 1: He's not. He doesn't own the retreats. It's not his business.
Speaker 1: He just goes there. Uh. Oh, he was in the
Speaker 1: fleshlight business at one point, according to all Right. Anyway,
Speaker 1: in other news, let's let's let's get Mike g in
Speaker 1: in a few minutes. Uh, da da da da. Let's see.
Speaker 1: Let's see. Oh you want to hear from uh our buddy,
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, Dolphin's head coach. Yeah, I love that guy.
Speaker 1: Here's a fun little exchange, reporter asking McDaniel about what
Speaker 1: he looks for in a running back. What qualities are
Speaker 1: you looking for as you build this running back room? Back? Um?
Speaker 1: The best qualities? Funny? Uh. And then he talked about
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. You know, I think, well it's a
Speaker 1: little bit uh. And I'm sure did he go on
Speaker 1: on a long answer? Yeah, I'm sure it was great
Speaker 1: and and interesting. Um, but I just love that about it. Yeah, UM,
Speaker 1: but the quarterback position is I feel like not being
Speaker 1: talked about a lot around Miami, and it's very wide open,
Speaker 1: you would think, right, given uh the concussion issues for Tuah. UM,
Speaker 1: here's what McDaniel said about tah in the future of
Speaker 1: that position. Well, I think, UM, you know, like any
Speaker 1: other player, you factor in every variable. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: I think you know one thing that uh you know
Speaker 1: when you're when you're talking about those types of decisions. UM,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to recognize that, UM, we have
Speaker 1: a congruence of interest by the Dolphins and the player
Speaker 1: UM toa that that we both want UM. Both parties
Speaker 1: really want him to UM play at a very high
Speaker 1: level for a long time for the Miami Dolphins. So UM,
Speaker 1: what's the best way to to really UM engineer that
Speaker 1: or to UM help manifest that. Well, UM, those are
Speaker 1: the things that were kind of UM Wayne in terms
Speaker 1: of the various options UM with you know, the same
Speaker 1: UM desired end is as UM too would like. So
Speaker 1: you factor in everything UM as best you can. UM.
Speaker 1: But you know that that's part of this game that
Speaker 1: we're all with. So UM, you see you press forward
Speaker 1: for the organization. But like um, what a great landing.
Speaker 1: Stop lying in the weeds a little bit here to
Speaker 1: make some type of big move accord, what about Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 1: Although I mean, I know there's there's money issues and
Speaker 1: salary cap issues for all these big time quarterbacks, but
Speaker 1: I just wonder an owner was a little like right now,
Speaker 1: I would say, Mike McDaniel do not exist in the
Speaker 1: realm of power most powerful coaches in terms of having autonomy,
Speaker 1: Like it's an owner that chased Tom Brady, um yanked
Speaker 1: him onto a yacht. It's an owner that chased Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: You just never know. I mean, you could certainly have
Speaker 1: wandering eyes. Tua has. It was noted that twas taking
Speaker 1: um jiu jitsu uh this offseason to learn how to
Speaker 1: fall better, to fall more gracefully, to not create some
Speaker 1: of these issues potentially, right, They said that should work.
Speaker 1: They were trying to have it both ways. They said, like,
Speaker 1: how I feel much better about the situation. They were like,
Speaker 1: they have that they want him as their quarterback, but
Speaker 1: also that they would take time before making the decision
Speaker 1: on the fifth year option, but they would also like
Speaker 1: to give him, you know, a long term contract if
Speaker 1: it's that if it's possible. I don't know. All I
Speaker 1: know is that the suit Mike McDaniel was wearing, I
Speaker 1: liked it and pointed out clothes Horse himself. It was
Speaker 1: a hoodie. It was a hoodie suit, which I was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be, you gotta be Mike McDaniel to pull
Speaker 1: that off potentially UM. Jeff Darlington, also a well dressed man,
Speaker 1: pointed out the company that made it and it retails
Speaker 1: for anywhere between seven hundred and seventeen hundred a draw
Speaker 1: string hoodie suit, Cashmere. I liked it well. Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: was dinged for like, oh now you're now you're dressing
Speaker 1: rich because it's a it's like it gave me shades
Speaker 1: of like a class year version of like what we
Speaker 1: saw Mark Davis wearing UM at the Super Bowl week
Speaker 1: a couple years ago. And you said, Mike, Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 1: cities grew up. He's grown up port his whole life,
Speaker 1: and he's like he's gonna be spending out money now.
Speaker 1: But I'm rich. I love that rich cash And just
Speaker 1: to put a bow on this, you have to be
Speaker 1: outside your mind to give to a long term cut object.
Speaker 1: They're not going to do that. I don't think they'll
Speaker 1: do that, right. The only thing with two of them,
Speaker 1: doesn't He seem like the quarterback that if you don't
Speaker 1: give him the fifth year option, it's in his head.
Speaker 1: They'll give him. They'll give it to him. Any thing's
Speaker 1: his head that I'm concerned about. Well, okay, but I
Speaker 1: mean the confidence. Yes, sure, I mean this is the
Speaker 1: second thing inside. I'm with you. It would be a
Speaker 1: weird move to not give it to him. Why how
Speaker 1: would it be? It's think it would be irresponsible organizationally,
Speaker 1: if because it's a little bit of a year ago, guys,
Speaker 1: he was saying he was member. He said, he asked himself,
Speaker 1: like do I suck at this? Like I think he
Speaker 1: needs to be lifted up version versus some quarterback that's
Speaker 1: like going to take it as motivations. Don't love that either.
Speaker 1: But I don't love it at all. But it just
Speaker 1: seems like it's just a we're guessing. Definitely pick up
Speaker 1: the option. I'm with you, guys, a long term deal
Speaker 1: outside your mind. Let's uh hit eight o'clock to light dark.
Speaker 1: Carr meeting with the Panthers as he continues his free
Speaker 1: agent tour. I think he has another meeting with the
Speaker 1: Jets as well. He's all met as we know with
Speaker 1: the Saints. The Falcons release Marcus Mariota, the quarterback who
Speaker 1: left the team at the end of the season under
Speaker 1: mysterious circumstances that will all be revealed on a Netflix program,
Speaker 1: but they will not anoint Desmond Ritter is their QB
Speaker 1: one now. I think they're going QB hunting and Mariota
Speaker 1: is pretty low on my list of quarterback options. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Last year, Yeah, the way it ended, we don't need
Speaker 1: to see that. Leonard Fournette's time with the Bucks has
Speaker 1: come to come to an end. He requested his release
Speaker 1: from the team and they will grant him that release,
Speaker 1: so he is out there. Johnny Johnson also on his own,
Speaker 1: now released by the Browns. And Kenny Golladay one of
Speaker 1: the biggest bus and free agents signing history of the
Speaker 1: New York Giants. He is cut mark. How about this number?
Speaker 1: He made thirty six million from the even for a
Speaker 1: total of forty three catches and one score. It's crazy
Speaker 1: to look at like his Lions career and then what
Speaker 1: happened with the Giants. It's like there was a body switch.
Speaker 1: Multiple teams are interested in Brandon Cooks. According to a report,
Speaker 1: Leslie Fraser stepping away from A or the DC the Bills,
Speaker 1: but he plans to return. Commanders have placed a tag
Speaker 1: on Duran Payne, and speaking of the Commanders, Finally, ESPN
Speaker 1: reports that federal prosecutors are investigating a fifty five million
Speaker 1: dollar loan taken out by Commander's owner Dan Snyder in
Speaker 1: two twenty. It's the primary focus of a criminal investigation
Speaker 1: into Snyder after the franchise's minority owners, which control forty
Speaker 1: percent of the team, accuse Snyder of taking out the
Speaker 1: loan without there required approval. This is like the messiest
Speaker 1: ownership of our lifetime, I think, or at least like
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. And I guess it's not shocking
Speaker 1: that it's ending in such a ugly, dirty way. The
Speaker 1: last few years have been ugly for this franchise. This
Speaker 1: is all happening amid various reports conflicting from the Washington
Speaker 1: Post in different sources of Snyder selling the team but
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't really want to sell the team and doesn't
Speaker 1: want to sell it to Bezos who might who wants
Speaker 1: the team, but now he will he maybe he's just
Speaker 1: trying to drive up the price. Who knows, but I
Speaker 1: think the NFL is just trying to end this thing
Speaker 1: and land the plane before it gets any worse. And
Speaker 1: this this seems like getting worse. Yeah, And relatedly, it
Speaker 1: was reported on Monday that Snyder is demanding protection from
Speaker 1: future legal action should he That tells you everything you need.
Speaker 1: The Washington franchise, which could happen this offseason or maybe
Speaker 1: could not. The old Dick Nixon For Commanders fans out there,
Speaker 1: who is Nixon? I believe you're you're referring to the
Speaker 1: former president, right, Yeah, resigned and was pardoned of all potential. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that you know, that's how that works. It's ugly
Speaker 1: Watergate hotel, tough, tough situation. The subject of the great
Speaker 1: film Frost Nixon or Presidents or a greater film starring
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunst and the Girl from Dawson's Creek Chelle Williams.
Speaker 1: She's her career has actually transcended Dawston's Creek. I should say, yeah.
Speaker 1: At the time, I believe she's got some hardware Oscar.
Speaker 1: She's one of the great actresses of our time at
Speaker 1: the time. Unbelievable, what have you have guessed. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about about Michelle Williams. Yeah, no, it could
Speaker 1: have been a little out there to say she would
Speaker 1: have achieved excellent. She was great on that show and
Speaker 1: recognized for it, but I still think she wasn't the
Speaker 1: big ste trophies a little over celebrated for the Fableman's
Speaker 1: which to me was about as hot as cold as
Speaker 1: it gets minus lie whoa, he didn't like the Fable
Speaker 1: feel like it got shotgun here from nineteen ninety three. Okay,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. So Manchester by the Sea, Oh,
Speaker 1: that was That was a tough one. That's scene walking
Speaker 1: back to the house after walking the dog. No, he
Speaker 1: went to the liquor store. Actually, that would have been
Speaker 1: a bad beat for me if it was walking the dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have been like huge win for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Big beat. Uh for the Zazzer. Uh, let's see including
Speaker 1: when is this? Let's see Michelle Ingrid Williams uh, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty baby nice. She was received various accolades, including two
Speaker 1: Golden Globe Awards, a Primetime Emmy, in addition to nominations
Speaker 1: for five Oscars and doesn't have the hardware yet very
Speaker 1: well that's like hoisted the Lombardi Dang five best perform
Speaker 1: and that's lead actress. Yeah, you gotta give her, you
Speaker 1: gotta give her the hardware, you know. At some point here,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a break and uh, let's bring
Speaker 1: a Mike g on the show to get caught up
Speaker 1: on everything else going on in Indie. Welcome back, unbelievable
Speaker 1: development here. We need an insider. We need someone boots
Speaker 1: on the ground who gets it, who's trusted in the
Speaker 1: realm of news gathering. And we have that man. Mike
Speaker 1: Garafolo joins us. That's my jam right there. I love
Speaker 1: that intro music. We give you the Silk Stockings jam,
Speaker 1: just to get you in the mood. In the mood.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're talking about. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of it. Mike, how are you, buddy? What's going on
Speaker 1: in Indie? We're not there this year, so we need
Speaker 1: we need a real perspective on the vibe. Let me
Speaker 1: guess exactly the same as every other year. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're surprised to hear that Prime forty seven. The steakhouse
Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis is quite crowded, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: here's the frustrating part is that you try to be
Speaker 1: smart and you say, I'm gonna get out of here,
Speaker 1: twelve thirty, right, plenty of time. Uh put in, clocked in,
Speaker 1: clocked out, And then you realize it's two thirty all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, and it's like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: was on my way to the door. Why why haven't
Speaker 1: I gotten there yet? And we were just ratting, you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of coaches walking through the hallways to kind
Speaker 1: of start the show NFL Now today, and you're going, Okay,
Speaker 1: I saw that guy out. Yeah, he was out. He
Speaker 1: was out. So I know he's feeling the way that
Speaker 1: I'm feeling today because I know what time I came home,
Speaker 1: and it was before he went home, because he was
Speaker 1: still there when I left. You should know that Prime
Speaker 1: forty seven is famously the place where former Panthers coach
Speaker 1: Matt Rule was nice to mark, which changed and shaded
Speaker 1: a lot of the analysis from mister Seiler. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: easily crafted and molded, So yeah, that's how that's how
Speaker 1: it works for instances too. Not all of them, uh,
Speaker 1: just some of them that are a little shorter than
Speaker 1: me and uh, bleary eyed this morning, I said some
Speaker 1: thing on the air. We just did NFL. I said
Speaker 1: something on the air and Ian kind of looked at me.
Speaker 1: It was something about Lamar Jackson. I was trying to
Speaker 1: make the point that if the Ravens use the non
Speaker 1: exclusive tag, it could be good for them because then
Speaker 1: he can go out and have conversations with other teams
Speaker 1: and they could be like, look, you know, we told
Speaker 1: you we're trying to offer you a fair deal, and
Speaker 1: if the other teams offer similar saying okay, see we
Speaker 1: tried to tell you, this is kind of how it works.
Speaker 1: And if he gets the fully guaranteed deal, it's like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: now we can either match it or we can work
Speaker 1: out a trade or whatever. So I made this whole
Speaker 1: point that the non exclusive tag is the way that
Speaker 1: I would go because it allows him to have conversations
Speaker 1: and see what's out there. And he kind of stared
Speaker 1: at me, and then we came back and I said
Speaker 1: it again and he goes, oh, on the air, oh
Speaker 1: now I get what you're saying. And I'm like, welcome.
Speaker 1: Rhet Lewis is here. He's enjoying my camera stand, which
Speaker 1: is a trash can. The phone is on a trash
Speaker 1: can that's been for our We have no issue with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know Rappaport, he's trying to hang with a
Speaker 1: McAfee crew to show that he's one of them, and
Speaker 1: that just going to lead to issues for him as well.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's not his style. Well, what about
Speaker 1: the Lamar thing? Let's talk about something that obviously in
Speaker 1: terms of the big quarterbacks, it's Rogers and Lamar. So
Speaker 1: we'll start with Lamar. Is there anything that you've kind
Speaker 1: of heard recently or through the grape vine or where
Speaker 1: is this with you? Do you think this happens? Do
Speaker 1: you think he ends up on a new team. I
Speaker 1: think there's a definite shot. And I feel like it's
Speaker 1: more than just financials right now. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: it's feelings, right and he's made it clear. There was
Speaker 1: that one Instagram post or was it a tweet and
Speaker 1: said something about if you don't appreciate what you have,
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but he was making it clear that it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel appreciate it and he wants the kind of
Speaker 1: a deal that you know, listen for better or for worse,
Speaker 1: and right now it looks like for worse. Unless he
Speaker 1: turns it around Deshaun Watson. Last year he had teams
Speaker 1: at the table. Now we can have a long discussion
Speaker 1: about whether he should have, and not just from a
Speaker 1: on field standpoint, but from an off field standpoint as well.
Speaker 1: But that's the situation that was created, and Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: has not had that to this point, which is why
Speaker 1: I say the non exclusive tag for the Ravens can
Speaker 1: be like, well, let's just get on with it. Let's
Speaker 1: just get to the point where he has the chance
Speaker 1: to go out and talk to other teams. No, that's
Speaker 1: not full blown free agency, but it's a chance for
Speaker 1: him to have conversations with other teams and say, hey, okay,
Speaker 1: let me see what's out there. Let me see if
Speaker 1: Apple have been alluding to on Twitter and elsewhere. If
Speaker 1: the Ravens won't pay me a fully guaranteed deal, well
Speaker 1: there must be four or five other teams that are
Speaker 1: willing to do so let him find out and let
Speaker 1: the Ravens find out and maybe just you know, instead
Speaker 1: of going through this next two years of playing out
Speaker 1: the tag, if he wants to get to the point
Speaker 1: where he's truly got the kind of leverage that Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins had let's just get on with the show. I'd
Speaker 1: almost kind of that's the way that I would do
Speaker 1: it if I was the Ravens. Let's just figure out
Speaker 1: where we are and get some clarity here. So either
Speaker 1: we're gonna have him or we're gonna move forward. But
Speaker 1: we did report Super Bowl Sunday Ian rapport, Tom Pella,
Speaker 1: Sero and I that we know that the Ravens could
Speaker 1: get to a point where they are attempted to entertaining
Speaker 1: trade authors. I mean that would be satisfying from my perspective,
Speaker 1: because then he would be in a closer situation to
Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson situation. The reason why Watson had so
Speaker 1: much interest is because he first of all allowed his
Speaker 1: agent to Tampa essentially when he wasn't allowed to trade,
Speaker 1: and then when he was allowed to make a trade,
Speaker 1: it was open. And we know Lamar doesn't have that infrastructure.
Speaker 1: We can't assume that they're going around to other teams
Speaker 1: and acting illegally because he's on the Ravens and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a formal agent. I do think, though, Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, that would be a compelling way for
Speaker 1: the Ravens to go but I think you would only
Speaker 1: do that as a Ravens franchise if you're ready to
Speaker 1: say he's probably gone, because to me, that putting that
Speaker 1: out there means he's probably gone. He's a free agent
Speaker 1: and he'll had a great contract elsewhere. There will be
Speaker 1: teams bidding, and there'll be more than they're willing to
Speaker 1: pay because there's thirty one teams out there and they're
Speaker 1: more desperate, and then you work out the trade terms
Speaker 1: and he's it might only take a few days. I
Speaker 1: just don't know how many, Like when you talk about
Speaker 1: the teams that are desperate, I just don't know how
Speaker 1: many there are. I mean this qua yeah, but they
Speaker 1: have options. They have other options too, right, But they're
Speaker 1: not as good as they're why But they're not as
Speaker 1: good as Lamar Jackson. None of them are even closer
Speaker 1: as good. I don't think it's gonna be. Rodgers isn't
Speaker 1: even as close as good as Lamar Jackson. You gotta
Speaker 1: comment down a little bit with the Lamar stuff, at least,
Speaker 1: like just because Aaron Rodgers making sixty million dollars, I'm
Speaker 1: not throwing Aaron Rodgers in there. That's that's fair because
Speaker 1: we don't know that whether he's available or not well.
Speaker 1: And I would also say this on the sixty million thing. Um,
Speaker 1: there are a number of folks with teams with quarterback
Speaker 1: needs that would be interested in Aaron Rodgers that I've
Speaker 1: spoke to spoken to here in Indianapolis, who say the
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars number is not gonna work. Like, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to whether it's us or somebody else, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to come down off that. Now. Rodgers did
Speaker 1: allude to the fact that if I come back in
Speaker 1: Green Bay, it's not going to be at that number,
Speaker 1: but it may have to be that way for the
Speaker 1: other teams as well. I know I'm zigging and zagging here,
Speaker 1: but this is this is kind of the way the
Speaker 1: quarterback market is right now. So much is dependent on
Speaker 1: everything else that I find myself starting to talk about
Speaker 1: Lamar Jack. Next thing, I know, I'm talking about Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where teams are figuring it out.
Speaker 1: I just the whole Derek Carr thing here I go
Speaker 1: bring in another quarterback. The whole Derek Carr thing is
Speaker 1: interesting to me, particularly from a jet standpoint, because I
Speaker 1: don't see the Jets diving in with Derek Carr until
Speaker 1: they know for sure what Aaron Rodgers is going to do,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to now come to terms with
Speaker 1: Derek Carr and then be like, oh, Aaron Rodgers wanted
Speaker 1: to come here, Oh, how would you ever live that down?
Speaker 1: Derek Carr knows that, right, and he's okay. Is he
Speaker 1: okay with that knowing that he's essentially the silver medalist
Speaker 1: for the Jets and the sweep Snakes? Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think he's got other irons. I know, well, we know
Speaker 1: he's got other irons in the fire Right, the Saints,
Speaker 1: and the Panthers. But I also think that there's more
Speaker 1: dominoes that could potentially fall beyond that as well that
Speaker 1: could open up some things for him and give him
Speaker 1: even more options. So he's got the luxury of getting
Speaker 1: out there and talking to teams right now before other
Speaker 1: guys who are free agents are allowed to talk to teams.
Speaker 1: But he's also got time and he can stretch this
Speaker 1: thing out to the point where he gets I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm being laughed at right now for my trash can,
Speaker 1: and you're helping your YouTube listing everyone check tweets Scott
Speaker 1: Fitterer thinks it's funny. Dam munths and tweeted something earlier.
Speaker 1: He thinks it's funny. Somebody out of the corner of
Speaker 1: my eye didn't see who it was, thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: Another person's taking a picture. You know what this is? Fine?
Speaker 1: Mike tell the most Mike hotly viewed episode because all
Speaker 1: this promotion. Mike tell them you're on the most popular
Speaker 1: NFL podcast in the world, and that will shut him up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in your face. I mean, Mike g let's
Speaker 1: say it's a month and a half from now, Okay,
Speaker 1: us not saying that you have to tell us you
Speaker 1: know what. You know that you've got secrets. You're always
Speaker 1: sitting on explosive rumors and developments that must come out
Speaker 1: at certain time. I get that, But just play Matt
Speaker 1: team to quarterback match, Rogers Lamar Derek Carr. Where are
Speaker 1: each of these quarterbacks when all these psychotic dominoes fall,
Speaker 1: You're gonna make you gonna make Mike head explode. Well
Speaker 1: that's what we're here far. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm still shaking from when Rosenthal asked me here at
Speaker 1: the Combine a couple of years ago, do you think
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is gonna land in Indianapolis, and I said no,
Speaker 1: and he did, and I just I couldn't get over
Speaker 1: that one. So, um, let's let's let's match him up.
Speaker 1: Let's match him up. Yeah, oh yeah, big time big uh. Um,
Speaker 1: let's match him up. I think Lamar stays in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: It's just they've done everything that they possibly can to
Speaker 1: keep this thing positive all along the way. You got
Speaker 1: the tag at their disposal. Um, I'm gonna say, and
Speaker 1: it's it's a coin flip in my mind in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, but I'm gonna say he stays in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: so let's keep him there. Rogers and Green Bay just
Speaker 1: feels like it's over in a lot of ways. So
Speaker 1: where do I put him? I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: feel like this Jets thing is just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It just feels too good for the Zeuser man. I
Speaker 1: just I just I just feel like he's I feel
Speaker 1: that it's not gonna happen for him. So, um, let's
Speaker 1: put Derek Carr. Let's put Derek Carr with the Saints.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: Derek Carr likes about the Saints. You get to play
Speaker 1: to in a dome versus playing in the weather. So
Speaker 1: I'll put a car with the Saints. Hey, what the hell?
Speaker 1: I put Rodgers with the Jets. There you go. Well,
Speaker 1: that kind of goes nicely into the next tick. There's
Speaker 1: one other QB I wanted to hit, because he's not
Speaker 1: getting talked about a lot right now in relation to
Speaker 1: these other guys. This feels like I might be setting
Speaker 1: up well for Jimmy g who's gonna hit the market.
Speaker 1: And you know these teams will have some of them
Speaker 1: swung and missed for their first choice. And does this
Speaker 1: set up well for Garoppolo getting another big contract despite
Speaker 1: you know, all the red flags about what he is
Speaker 1: as a quarterback and what he isn't. Yeah, another decent contract.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else is setting up nicely for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo is the San Francisco tree. Um, And you've
Speaker 1: got Tennessee, You've got Houston, You've got the Jets. Um.
Speaker 1: Who am I missing? Uh? Whether it's a general manager
Speaker 1: or a coach, you got the Belichick tree in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: You got the Belichick tree in Las Vegas. That is correct, Um,
Speaker 1: They're gonna need somebody as well. Um, so it's he's
Speaker 1: he's got option, he does, and you know if he
Speaker 1: winds up in let's say Houston, because I know that
Speaker 1: Damiko Ryan's likes him. The thing about Jimmy VG is, um,
Speaker 1: he's one of the guys in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: and he's a competitive guy, and the coaches who have
Speaker 1: seen him operate, no, you know, yeah, he's not the
Speaker 1: most special guy from a talent standpoint, right, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have all those intangibles, not INTI those tangibles, but he's
Speaker 1: got the intent and he's he's been a winner and
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, he's won football game. So I feel
Speaker 1: like if he winds up in Houston, it's not a
Speaker 1: long term thing, but I feel like it's a chance
Speaker 1: for him to go somewhere and play right away better
Speaker 1: than some other situations, if that makes sense. I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Mike, Like, we just took a
Speaker 1: look at Sam Monson's tweet. The photo we took of
Speaker 1: you was from PFF and it is just a human
Speaker 1: adult male talking to a garbage can. That's really what
Speaker 1: it looks like from a profile, and it's fantastic and
Speaker 1: it might be the height of what you've achieved here
Speaker 1: at the COT. Does it looks like a crazy person
Speaker 1: who's had some type of psychotic break talking to a
Speaker 1: plastic trash can? Yes, Mark's exactly described how this looks.
Speaker 1: I can't tell if this is gonna be good for
Speaker 1: our podcast in the NFL in general, because the shot
Speaker 1: looks great. Again, people should check it out on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Maybe they look at it and they think, like, why
Speaker 1: are we sending all these producers and everything to places
Speaker 1: when a trash can can do their job and we
Speaker 1: don't even need to send our podcast there? Or is
Speaker 1: it is it a bad look um that their their
Speaker 1: podcast isn't here and we have to use the trash can?
Speaker 1: Is that somehow embarrassing? I'm not sure how I stand
Speaker 1: all right, Greggy, Like, it's a it's a double edged
Speaker 1: it's a double edged short. It is going to a
Speaker 1: result in more eyeballs, which is going to be a
Speaker 1: good thing, But it just doesn't feel like something you
Speaker 1: want to go to the wealth too often. Right, this
Speaker 1: is what is type thing. The defenses now are ready
Speaker 1: for the Philly Special. Right, It's just at some point
Speaker 1: you just use it and you get out you move
Speaker 1: on to something else. All right, One last thing I
Speaker 1: I do want to just say, like, at this time
Speaker 1: a year ago, the whole conventional wisdom because people whold
Speaker 1: things close to the vest and the combine, is that
Speaker 1: there wasn't going to be a lot of big time
Speaker 1: quarterback movement. And then right after the combine ended, there
Speaker 1: was a ton of big time quarterback movement. So the
Speaker 1: one thing I would push back on this might be
Speaker 1: your Philip rivers this year, uh, Mike, And maybe not?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? Is that I think if Lamar, if they
Speaker 1: didn't put the non exclusive tag, I think like seven
Speaker 1: teams will be in on it. I would start with
Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson teams from a year ago. They were
Speaker 1: all desperate for quarterbacks. If they were in on Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: I would expect them to be in on Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Then you can throw the Commanders, Titans, Raiders, who knows sprite.
Speaker 1: I just think there'd be enough teams to really bit
Speaker 1: them up and he would be gone. But I am
Speaker 1: curious at prime forty seven, you're staying there late, Like
Speaker 1: what are what are the decision makers all talking about
Speaker 1: this week? Like what what is uh? What is the
Speaker 1: hot topic because because there are those league topics that
Speaker 1: that eventually, if you're having these conversations with gems and coaches,
Speaker 1: that comes back around. Please don't say the tush push,
Speaker 1: No push has not been a big It's been a
Speaker 1: topic of conversation. Uh, it has not been a big
Speaker 1: topic of conversation. But the Eagles are very upset that
Speaker 1: they have something that's been very effective for them that
Speaker 1: they I thought it was it was just a simple play. Curiously,
Speaker 1: they talked about it like there's but but Cheriani the
Speaker 1: way he talked about it was that there's they run
Speaker 1: it better than anybody else. Of course, so you're taking
Speaker 1: away something that but it's it seems like you just
Speaker 1: get two guys behind the guy and you push, and
Speaker 1: that's what makes it so hard. But he talked about
Speaker 1: the technique involved in that play, and they feel like
Speaker 1: they have so much, so much of an advantage there
Speaker 1: because of how they run it and the personnel that
Speaker 1: they deploy. Uh So, anyway, the toush push, what was
Speaker 1: the question again, Oh, what's the topic of conversation? I
Speaker 1: think this rookie quarterback class has been fascinating topic of
Speaker 1: conversation because I think that there is no consensus. I
Speaker 1: think the third guy on somebody's board and the quarterback
Speaker 1: is the first guy on somebody else's board. I believe
Speaker 1: that a lot of people think that Anthony Richardson is
Speaker 1: going to h have a terrific performance here because listen,
Speaker 1: these things set up well for guys who have the
Speaker 1: top and ability, right, because you get to put that
Speaker 1: ability on display. This is why Zach Wilson pre draft
Speaker 1: all of his workouts, right. It lent itself to the
Speaker 1: guy puts the skill set on display. It's not football though,
Speaker 1: it's not playing the position, it's not running things the
Speaker 1: way you're supposed to run in an offense. But this
Speaker 1: is a guy who's gonna come out. Richardson's gonna perform
Speaker 1: extremely well and put that talent on display, and it's
Speaker 1: going to create some conversation among some teams as far
Speaker 1: as where he are inside the teams, as far as
Speaker 1: where he ranks on the board. So there's been a
Speaker 1: wide variety of teams, and I've had a lot of
Speaker 1: teams say that there is no short thing here. Much
Speaker 1: as we love Bryce Young, there are questions about him
Speaker 1: and his size and whether that's going to translate to
Speaker 1: the NFL. So it's gonna be a fascinating draft from
Speaker 1: a quarterback standpoint. I know that, and that's why Mike,
Speaker 1: the Bears are trading the number one pick right because
Speaker 1: there isn't a slam dunk QB that would be an
Speaker 1: upgrade in their mind over Justin Fields that would compel
Speaker 1: them to trade the in house guy. As I mentioned
Speaker 1: the other day before the Bears even talked here, and frankly,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Poles left as much wiggle room as
Speaker 1: he did, to be honest with you, because my understanding was,
Speaker 1: and I was having conversation with Bear sources around the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Hey, we can't wait to indianapp with because
Speaker 1: we want to field those offers for the first pick.
Speaker 1: Like that that was going to be the order of
Speaker 1: business here. I think, you know, as far as evaluating
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks, I think polls one set out there to
Speaker 1: kind of get teams to think like they're not just
Speaker 1: selling that pick, and you've got to convince us. But
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind that Justin Fields is
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback for the Bears. Was a
Speaker 1: lot more weapons around them because they've got a lot
Speaker 1: of cap room and a lot of capital. They are
Speaker 1: going to be a very busy team in the coming weeks,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be fun. It's good when the Bears
Speaker 1: are fun and enjoyable. I think they're going to be.
Speaker 1: Bears have nearly a one hundred million in cap space,
Speaker 1: more than any team in the league. Mike, worry that
Speaker 1: maybe we damaged your reputation and perhaps your long term
Speaker 1: career prospects with garbage can interview hashtag. But hopefully that's
Speaker 1: not the case, and if it is, we owe you
Speaker 1: a beer. That'll do it. Well. Listen, I'll take the beer.
Speaker 1: I'll take the whiskey if you're offering that as well, sir.
Speaker 1: But I gotta say that in this business, if you're
Speaker 1: not willing to talk to a trash can in front
Speaker 1: of all of your friends in the Indianapolis Convention Center,
Speaker 1: you know your head's too big. You haven't lived. Humble,
Speaker 1: Be humble, be hungry speaking, I'm hungry. I just got
Speaker 1: a text that my lunch is ready from Carly Lindsay,
Speaker 1: thank you beautiful right over there, all right, thank you, Mike, gee, thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Boys. There he goes, and what
Speaker 1: a warrior to do that for us. Before we before
Speaker 1: we started the interview of Mike went through a period
Speaker 1: where he was thinking, should I just hold it? How
Speaker 1: long is this going to take? I said about fifteen
Speaker 1: to eighteen minutes. Ended up taking about eighteen minutes, and
Speaker 1: in retrospect, he probably should have held the camera. I
Speaker 1: don't know, he's gonna eat a lot. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of poop there. You know how those guys are. Our
Speaker 1: arms get really tired though. Minutes sneaky, you know how
Speaker 1: sports writers are. They're like, I mean, Mike, geez, so
Speaker 1: if you if you've seen the Forearmies, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to working out. But he was the one that raised
Speaker 1: that concern. So I thought the framing aspect ratio looked
Speaker 1: great on the garbage. Can good move? Yes? And it does,
Speaker 1: even though we're not there this year. It puts us
Speaker 1: in the conversation perhaps a little bit. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: puts puts us back on people's lips and in their
Speaker 1: mind right, they're like, oh, yeah, those are the trash guys. Trash.
Speaker 1: That's what we've been aiming for, especially considering where we
Speaker 1: were a year ago. If we knew that was our
Speaker 1: destiny you know, arrow up. Um all right, that is
Speaker 1: the Wednesday edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We
Speaker 1: will be back um tomorrow. In fact, that's how we grind,
Speaker 1: especially on Combine week, whether we're there or not. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna have land zero line. As I mentioned at
Speaker 1: the top of the show, who's gonna dig in on
Speaker 1: the draft situation and Combine and the prospects, and as
Speaker 1: Mike alluded to, there you know what's going on with
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks and how these things how quickly they shift
Speaker 1: right from oh, yeah, you know last year's quarterback class
Speaker 1: that sucks, and everybody's like, oh, but wait till next
Speaker 1: year's quarterback class, and now here we are, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's like no slam books, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have two months of talk about it and
Speaker 1: maybe Lancel give us some Probably is a Slam Thursday.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, The consensus is that Picket or
Speaker 1: anyone in last year's class would have been a distant
Speaker 1: fifth behind these four. I think like these four a
Speaker 1: gotta end up going in the top ten or fifteen.
Speaker 1: So it's juice. At least there's juice. Even if there's
Speaker 1: no slam dunk. The juice is loose. Thank you everybody
Speaker 1: for listening, and yes we'll be back again tomorrow. Thank
Speaker 1: you to Mike Gee, thank you to Justin Graver and
Speaker 1: everybody behind the glass. Until Thursday. You know what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. He the call.