WEBVTT - Replay* Deeply Rooted with Brea Baker

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and the ship Boy my Son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of t M I.

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<v Speaker 3>Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration, New Energy.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, my Son Lennon?

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<v Speaker 2>Greetings, Tamika D. Mallory. How are you feeling to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay until freedom down today a little until.

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<v Speaker 1>Summertime. I love.

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<v Speaker 2>It's way too hot outside.

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<v Speaker 1>You say that every week every week.

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<v Speaker 3>I went outside and I've seen the devil licking somebody's

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<v Speaker 3>face out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's better than it was last week. A little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the heat is still on hell man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's just a reality. I think. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear.

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<v Speaker 4>Certain groups of peace people trying to deny that climate

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<v Speaker 4>change is real, I mean, it's actually playing out before

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<v Speaker 4>our eyes like we see it, so I can tell

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<v Speaker 4>me that's not real.

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<v Speaker 1>AnyWho. You know, I'm really about to like change my profession.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you because I would like to focus on

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<v Speaker 4>quality control.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to focus on. That's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want to focus on.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized that I that in my third life because

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<v Speaker 4>I have one that is an organizer for social justice.

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<v Speaker 4>I have another one that is an event planner, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I have a third one that should be in

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<v Speaker 4>customer service and quality control. I had an experience during

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<v Speaker 4>my family reunion where you know, I checked into an

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<v Speaker 4>Airbnb and when I got there, beautiful space in a

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<v Speaker 4>town that does not have much my family's town in Moreauville, Alabama.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's there's a there's two different sides to

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<v Speaker 4>it with like like with many areas that's heavily populated

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<v Speaker 4>with black boats. You got downtown some kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>some would say uptown, you know, and there's some white money,

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<v Speaker 4>and there of course are black affluent people there as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But it is a very very very country town, small town.

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<v Speaker 4>And so when you think of and there were there

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<v Speaker 4>used to be businesses that were like amazing, right, like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, factories and lots of businesses, and all of

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<v Speaker 4>that was purchased by big business and then they shut

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<v Speaker 4>production down and so for years and year in years,

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<v Speaker 4>those jobs have not returned. So there is the tale

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<v Speaker 4>of two cities.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 4>There are people who are retired, people who you know,

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<v Speaker 4>moved there for various reasons to teach college to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe it's just they found a good town that they

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<v Speaker 4>like to spend the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Of their lives.

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<v Speaker 4>You have that, and then you have people who are

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely struggling and really suffering with a lot of desperation.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you see beautiful airbnbs popping up because people

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<v Speaker 4>are starting to invest in this area again, it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Shout out to my cousin OLA's Garden, Kim Abney, who

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<v Speaker 4>has opened up a number of rentals and airbnb properties

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<v Speaker 4>and they are phenomenal beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk in the details is.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like his mama, my auntie Ola May Abney taught

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<v Speaker 4>him this other Airbnb very nice, walked in, loved beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>But as soon as my and my brother Milton is

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<v Speaker 4>with me, so it's not just me because I know

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<v Speaker 4>y'all gonna say, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>She always got something.

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<v Speaker 4>Soon as we walked into the bedroom, he's helping me

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<v Speaker 4>put my suitcases up. You clearly see a stain on

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<v Speaker 4>the bed. Then he pulls the cover back and there's

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<v Speaker 4>another stain. Now, these two stains are more than likely clean.

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<v Speaker 1>They're more than likely clean.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, And in fact, I'm just gonna make this my

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<v Speaker 4>thought of the day today because it's so it's just

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<v Speaker 4>these two stains are there. More than likely it's clean

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<v Speaker 4>and it's wear and tear. It looks like an old

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<v Speaker 4>oil stain or something. But the bed looks clean. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just it has these two stains on it. So immediately

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<v Speaker 4>I reach out to the management and say there's stains

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<v Speaker 4>in the bed, and their response and by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't hear anything back.

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<v Speaker 1>Is on three hours before.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to send an email going through all of

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<v Speaker 4>this to get the attention of the individual. And eventually

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<v Speaker 4>she calls me back and she's like, yeah, well, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's definitely clean. I understand what you're saying, and I

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<v Speaker 4>believe that it's clean. But I should not have to

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<v Speaker 4>sleep in a bed that has stains on it, regardless

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<v Speaker 4>of whether it is clean or not. Whether it's clean

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<v Speaker 4>or not is not the point here. The point is

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<v Speaker 4>there should not be stains in the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me just say from the onset that it was corrected.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was corrected after having to go back and

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<v Speaker 4>forth with this woman several times, and then eventually she

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<v Speaker 4>said to me, oh, and she said, well, this one

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<v Speaker 4>is busy, which is the lady who is the cleaning person.

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<v Speaker 4>She herself this woman was with her family, and she's

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<v Speaker 4>telling me all of these things and continueing to say

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<v Speaker 4>and then texting me that I know for a fact

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<v Speaker 4>those sheets were washed, that bed was clean, those it's clean.

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<v Speaker 1>Still not did it?

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't get what was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>She did not understand that when you check into a hotel,

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<v Speaker 4>you check into a rental property, you don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>see any type of stain. And by the way, that

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<v Speaker 4>is called wear and tears. So what you do when

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<v Speaker 4>it has a stain on it, it's time to throw

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<v Speaker 4>it out and get new ones. This happens all the

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<v Speaker 4>time when you are running well, no one else has

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<v Speaker 4>ever complained. Meanwhile, my brother, he's like you, he ain't

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<v Speaker 4>trying to have you know, Milton, it is not that serious.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fine. When he looked at it, he was like, nah,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a stain. Like and you know, I'm the

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<v Speaker 4>one and all of the guys around me would be like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh boy, here she go to glass the four, this, that,

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<v Speaker 4>that and the third. But even he was like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a stain. It's two stains, and it's one under

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<v Speaker 4>the comforter. In my thought of the day today is that,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, as a black woman.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I want to I should be.

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<v Speaker 4>Able to say and defend my position as black women,

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<v Speaker 4>and I would imagine black people we are constantly shrinking

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<v Speaker 4>ourselves so that we don't upset, annoy, agitate others, or

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<v Speaker 4>bring further harm to ourselves. So all of the hotels

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<v Speaker 4>in this particular area, it's places that I personally would do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like to stay. This is my mother's hometown.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it there, love it there, grew up there,

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<v Speaker 4>can't wait to go back. But I don't like staying

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<v Speaker 4>in the hotels. So the idea that there are Airbnb

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<v Speaker 4>properties that are very nice popping up is really really good.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't want to put myself in a situation

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<v Speaker 4>where I have a bad rating or you know, where

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<v Speaker 4>these people can write whatever they want. I've already been

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<v Speaker 4>down the road with Airbnb where somebody blatantly lied, the

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<v Speaker 4>management company blatantly lied. Airbnb knew it from reading all

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<v Speaker 4>of the messages back and forth between us, but still

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<v Speaker 4>told me that they cannot delete the comments on the

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<v Speaker 4>review that was left for me because.

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<v Speaker 1>It still is up to the will.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the property manager, even though they read screenshots and

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<v Speaker 4>saw that it was a lie, and it's very basic.

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<v Speaker 4>They tried to say that I had an additional person

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<v Speaker 4>in the house above the people that were supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>be there, but then it was proven that that was

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<v Speaker 4>the driver who dropped off our bags and was only

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<v Speaker 4>in the house for maybe fifteen minutes, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>proven in the messages, but they still left on my

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<v Speaker 4>comment thing, you know, my review and Airbnb that I

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<v Speaker 4>had an additional person in the house and so I

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<v Speaker 4>violated the rooms right and Airbnb could not and would

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<v Speaker 4>not do anything about it. So therefore, here I am

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with this sheet situation. And instead of me doing

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<v Speaker 4>what I know how to do, which is to write

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<v Speaker 4>and be very clear about why this is problematic and

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<v Speaker 4>to make my point and also to demand of this

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<v Speaker 4>woman to stop telling me like I'm a child, over

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<v Speaker 4>and over again that the sheets are clean, I am

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<v Speaker 4>unable to do that because I need to try to

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<v Speaker 4>protect my name, my brand, myself physically. Who knows like

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<v Speaker 4>this is a white woman in a country town somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the hell she might do.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea I know her husband is, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know how children are, so I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>get into a back and forth with this woman. So ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>if you read my messages, I'm saying I'm my apologies,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, I'm the freaking customer, and I'm apologizing to

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<v Speaker 4>the lady and trying to be as nice as possible

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<v Speaker 4>to try to de escalate or whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 4>call it, diffuse any possibility that this situation was somehow

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<v Speaker 4>backfire on me. And I just feel like that is

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<v Speaker 4>the most uncomfortable for the rest of my trip. It

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<v Speaker 4>was in the back of my mind that this woman

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<v Speaker 4>had been extremely rude to me. I mean, it goes

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<v Speaker 4>on and on, and we don't have the time to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about it today, but it was nothing that I

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<v Speaker 4>could really do because I wanted to be in a

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable place where I could stay for my family reunion

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<v Speaker 4>and also not interrupt other people for feeling like.

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<v Speaker 1>They needed to protect me.

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<v Speaker 4>So, you know, that's a that's a it's a very

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<v Speaker 4>uncomfortable place that we as black people are constantly trying

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<v Speaker 4>to shrink ourselves so that we don't upset other people

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<v Speaker 4>even when they're doing us wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's really a real thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I go through it all the time, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>try not to be as aggressive when I'm communicating with

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<v Speaker 3>certain people, understanding that I speak with the level of

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<v Speaker 3>passion that I've been told is aggressive and scared people.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of times, in certain situations where

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even think I'm wrong, I apologize because, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, you fear the backlash of what can come

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<v Speaker 3>out the situation. You know, we constantly have to do that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and knowing how picky you are, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing wrong with being picky when you're paying your money

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<v Speaker 3>for something, you know what I'm saying, and that's customer service.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, you know, I play with you a

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<v Speaker 3>lot and go, oh gosh, it's gonna go with the

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<v Speaker 3>reality situation is, it's not like you're wrong. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>want dirty civil where you don't want dirty cheeks, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want dirty things. You don't want to overlook that

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<v Speaker 3>as a state on you, and you don't really have to,

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<v Speaker 3>because when you provide a service, especially when people have

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<v Speaker 3>to lay in their heads and live living borders, it

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<v Speaker 3>should be immaculate.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it should be an immaculate space.

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<v Speaker 3>To where the sheets where people have to lay their

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<v Speaker 3>body or they don't know if this is a fucking

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<v Speaker 3>comestain or whatever stain that comes from somebody else, like

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<v Speaker 3>nobody should have to guess what kind of stain is

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<v Speaker 3>on the sheet in.

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<v Speaker 2>The blanket, you know what I'm saying. And you and

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<v Speaker 2>if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't see that you're willing to move past it, then

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<v Speaker 3>you you shouldn't have to. And when you bring it

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<v Speaker 3>to someone who is providing the services to you, when

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<v Speaker 3>you bring it to their attention, it shouldn't be any pushback.

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<v Speaker 3>It should just be like, oh my, I apologize, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even though they're clean, I understand, I apologize. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>make sure I get you guys some fresh sheets, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's it. It really shouldn't be much more than that.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's just not where we are, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately we live in a time where, you know, especially

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<v Speaker 3>as black people, that we, like you said, we have

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<v Speaker 3>to try not to say as much and try to

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<v Speaker 3>cause as less problems because we always gonna be seen.

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<v Speaker 3>And unless unless it's a videotape or something, just like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, you you had the whole screenshots of text

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<v Speaker 3>messages would showed that somebody lying on you and you

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<v Speaker 3>still had to deal with the backladge. So it's just

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of times you want it, it's even

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<v Speaker 3>worth it. You know, you got to weigh your options.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I even standing up for myself or do I

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<v Speaker 3>be quiet? Because I know standing up for myself can

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<v Speaker 3>give me ostracized and you know, in ridiculed.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a lot man.

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<v Speaker 4>And meanwhile, this white woman got to walk away from

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<v Speaker 4>the situation. And by the way, the way Airbnb works

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<v Speaker 4>for people who don't know, you make a review first

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<v Speaker 4>and then she makes a review after, so they and

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<v Speaker 4>they don't get to see it until after they make

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<v Speaker 4>their review. But nonetheless, you make a review first and

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<v Speaker 4>then they make a review. So for me, I and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm just, I'm just like systems and customer

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<v Speaker 4>service and quality control needs a new focus.

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<v Speaker 1>It really does, because.

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<v Speaker 4>People are spending their money services that they don't like.

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<v Speaker 4>Products are coming. Listen the way in which people the

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<v Speaker 4>clothes are being made. Everything is just being thrown together

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<v Speaker 4>and people are basically being forced to to I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what you call that. I got some moose from

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<v Speaker 4>my hair and the top of the moose bottle was

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<v Speaker 4>cracked open, and they were trying to tell me, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no way.

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<v Speaker 1>To exchange it. And this, this, and that.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to go all the way to the corporate

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<v Speaker 4>office to get five dollars. But if you mailed me

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<v Speaker 4>something and it's broken, you're supposed to replace it. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>how dare you even think you can have a policy

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<v Speaker 4>that says that you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is something that for me is a real passion.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea the process.

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<v Speaker 4>Of getting you know, scooting myself from one world to

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<v Speaker 4>the next, but I really I wish that and when

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<v Speaker 4>I go and come back that I would be in

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<v Speaker 4>quality control and customer service.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, listen, man, I know if you and customer service,

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<v Speaker 3>the customer service is going to be immaculate because what

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<v Speaker 3>you demand from customer service, it's pretty much what we

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<v Speaker 3>all shit.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I joke about it a lot. But

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<v Speaker 3>should we should have Queen Sip? Should have people you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying. We should have people who want

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<v Speaker 3>to be actually like their job, like their attitude shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be like you bothered them because you're asking them to

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<v Speaker 3>do things to make you comfortable as a customer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, we shouldn't thank you very much. So

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<v Speaker 1>do we have a music spotlights? Listen?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want us to just be giving the music

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<v Speaker 4>spotlight to people that don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't have a music spotlight, but I do

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<v Speaker 3>want to highlight a clothing brand that has beautiful clothing

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<v Speaker 3>and it is my guy Smith is Smith, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>called Actively Black.

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<v Speaker 2>Actively Black. This is a shirt. Look see this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me say that a more confident Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is this is one of the shirts black

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<v Speaker 4>and cocky.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Actively Black man. So they sent me a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff. Shout out to him. Listen to me. It

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<v Speaker 3>is quality sportswear, quality sports where they sent you a

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<v Speaker 3>whole box of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting ready to start going through it for my travels.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to Landy Smith. Shout out to Actively Black.

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<v Speaker 3>If you do not have some of their clothing, then

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<v Speaker 3>you need to go on actively black dot com right now.

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<v Speaker 3>They partner with Alan Everson. I've seen Obama and some

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<v Speaker 3>of their clothing. You know they're doing. They're doing amazing things.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just one of my premium brands, top brands. He

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<v Speaker 3>sent me a box of stuff that I'm gonna work

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<v Speaker 3>out it and some it's fly stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It is work. It ain't just worker.

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<v Speaker 3>It's quality sports were Man, it's real quality, high quality

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<v Speaker 3>sports with Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at what I've had a.

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<v Speaker 3>Shorts from last year that I got that's still in

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<v Speaker 3>tip top shape like this, I work out in them

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<v Speaker 3>all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite work out you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I was gonna say that well, a little

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<v Speaker 4>different from you. They also sent me a box, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so proud of Actively Black. First of all, I

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<v Speaker 4>remember when you first started promoting them, a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people didn't know who they were. And this was like

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<v Speaker 4>at the very beginning of folks saying we need to

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<v Speaker 4>buy black, and you were immediately on Actively Black. So

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<v Speaker 4>shout out to you for that, especially after the Nike

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<v Speaker 4>situation when we decided to not wear like y'all don't

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<v Speaker 4>even miss Nike anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Like actually I told you.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even see it anymore as something like I

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't I just don't feel attached to it. So that's that.

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<v Speaker 4>But but they sent me things and the quality, like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, is so good. It's so it's such a

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<v Speaker 4>good brand. And so for people who are like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to support some black owned business, but I

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<v Speaker 4>want myself to be because sometimes let's be clear, try

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<v Speaker 4>to support our own and the stuff don't be that

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<v Speaker 4>good quality, like I'm just saying, and it's not just

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<v Speaker 4>our own. Sometimes we support other brands and the equality

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<v Speaker 4>is not there, you know what I'm saying. And then anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not their customer service quality I got.

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<v Speaker 1>I could go.

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<v Speaker 2>On, but I won't.

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<v Speaker 4>Customer service Actively Black they definitely have good customer service

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<v Speaker 4>and they have a heart for the community and the people,

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of folks are starting to get into it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, people have been supporting them, So keep supporting Actively.

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<v Speaker 2>Black because I am actively Black.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 4>Family, So today, you know, we always have our friends on,

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<v Speaker 4>but today we got our little sister, and I am

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<v Speaker 4>really really excited because this is a young woman who

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<v Speaker 4>is an example of what we tell our young people

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<v Speaker 4>they need to do. She's not waiting for anybody to

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<v Speaker 4>give her position. She's not waiting to be lifted and

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<v Speaker 4>we need to pass the torch and no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>she is blazing her own trails and carrying the torch

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<v Speaker 4>all at the same time. And we're just I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know my song, what's the word. It's not just excited,

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<v Speaker 4>it's elated. It's elated crowd to have this young woman

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<v Speaker 4>as our sister, our colleague, and the struggle and just

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<v Speaker 4>so many things, and I can actually cry because it's

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<v Speaker 4>just that deep knowing, you know, watching all of us

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<v Speaker 4>grow over time, but especially watching Bria Baker, our young sister,

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<v Speaker 4>go from on the streets, on the ground to putting

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<v Speaker 4>it in a book and now she has such an

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<v Speaker 4>amazing project. Let me tell you a little bit about

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<v Speaker 4>Bria Bacon. Now, y'all know I don't read bios on

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<v Speaker 4>this show. It's very limited, but in this situation, we

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<v Speaker 4>want to make sure that.

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<v Speaker 1>Our sister is properly introduced to all of you. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Baker is a freedom.

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<v Speaker 4>Fighter and writer and a national and global strategist.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, now, tell them exactly who you are.

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<v Speaker 4>She has contributed to dozens of electoral and advocacy campaigns,

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<v Speaker 4>including the twenty seventeen Women's March on Washington, the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen student walkouts against gun violence, and Jamani Williams successful

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<v Speaker 4>bid for New York City Public Advocate. Ria has a

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<v Speaker 4>BA in political science from Yale University, where she served

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<v Speaker 4>as president of Yale's NAACP chapter and co director of

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<v Speaker 4>the AIDS Walk New Haven, Okay. Now Ria has a book.

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<v Speaker 4>It is called Rooted, the American Legacy of Land Theft

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<v Speaker 4>and the Modern Movement for Black land Ownership.

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<v Speaker 1>It delves into one of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Nation's first and stealing and hoarding the land, and follows

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<v Speaker 4>Ria and her family on a personal journey to preserve

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<v Speaker 4>her ancestors land in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Ria, thank you so much for joining us on Tami.

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<v Speaker 6>Sah no is going to make me cry because they

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<v Speaker 6>are being too kind, like little sister.

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<v Speaker 5>But like I was just following.

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<v Speaker 6>Around, happy to learn at y'all's feed and Carmen and

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<v Speaker 6>Linda and just learn so much from the two of

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<v Speaker 6>y'all though, of course through gathering and other spaces. But

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<v Speaker 6>it is just so special to get to talk to

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<v Speaker 6>y'all about a book after having been the little intern

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<v Speaker 6>volunteer assistant who was taking notes all those years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, I just want to say, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very proud of you, and this book is just

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much a testament of who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like you always found.

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<v Speaker 3>That needed to be spoken on, Like even when I

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<v Speaker 3>go to your social media, you speak on the things

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<v Speaker 3>that we need to say talk about, but nobody actually

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<v Speaker 3>highlights and you have a knack for that. You know

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<v Speaker 3>in this book right here just pretty much speaks to

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<v Speaker 3>who you are, Like, what made you say that I

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<v Speaker 3>want to write this book and about what you wrote about?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for saying that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, you know, right before we got on

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<v Speaker 6>this call, you and I Mice were talking about grief

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<v Speaker 6>really quickly, and grief is definitely what pushed me to

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<v Speaker 6>write the book and family and love for what it

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<v Speaker 6>means to be black and happy. And I think I

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<v Speaker 6>had gotten to a place where I was in the

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<v Speaker 6>work because I was angry, and then my grandfather passed

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<v Speaker 6>away in twenty nineteen and it kind of made me stop.

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<v Speaker 6>It was right after Jimani was elected, and so it

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<v Speaker 6>was really just like stilled me and forced me to

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<v Speaker 6>really think about what legacy meant for my family, not

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<v Speaker 6>just for what I was doing for a theoretical community,

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<v Speaker 6>but what am I doing for the black people who

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<v Speaker 6>I'm related to? What's our story? What's the legacy that

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<v Speaker 6>I need to continue on for my grandfather now that

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<v Speaker 6>he's not here. And the last words that he said,

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<v Speaker 6>or some of the last words he said in his

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<v Speaker 6>hospital bed was don't sell the land. So it felt

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<v Speaker 6>so clear, learn more about why he cared so much

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<v Speaker 6>about this land, make sure that the family stays together,

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<v Speaker 6>because grief can be a time when we.

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<v Speaker 5>Are ununited.

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<v Speaker 6>And I just wanted to make sure that we understood

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<v Speaker 6>that we have to be really locked in and laser

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<v Speaker 6>focused on what he saw is important. And the more

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<v Speaker 6>research I did, the more it was like, well, now

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not just doing it for him, I'm doing it

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<v Speaker 6>for me.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing it for my little one.

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<v Speaker 6>I just I want more of us to have access

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<v Speaker 6>to land as a vehicle for wealth, but also as

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<v Speaker 6>just a place where we can be ourselves. And it's

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<v Speaker 6>we don't you know, We're not under someone else's thumb

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<v Speaker 6>or being policed.

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<v Speaker 5>We're in our own space.

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<v Speaker 4>So you talked about America's first sin just stealing land,

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<v Speaker 4>which makes it not hard for us to understand why

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<v Speaker 4>they are so supportive of Israel as it steals land,

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<v Speaker 4>the land of the Palestinian people. Why don't you talk

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about that, like in your research. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we know it theoretically. We talk about the native people

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<v Speaker 4>to this land. We talk about how their land was stolen,

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<v Speaker 4>it was encroached upon, how they never have been properly

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<v Speaker 4>acknowledged for the fact that they were already here and

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<v Speaker 4>then we came to this country. We were, I always say,

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<v Speaker 4>trafficked to America and built the nation on our backs.

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<v Speaker 4>And I would love to hear you talk about your

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<v Speaker 4>research because I can imagine, again from one perspective, we

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<v Speaker 4>all know it, but when you started to do that research,

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<v Speaker 4>you probably found some pretty egregious stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, because I mean the things that

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<v Speaker 6>we know about are the Tulsa massacres, which are horrible, horrific, right,

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<v Speaker 6>but we think that they were few and far between.

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<v Speaker 6>And the Tulsa massacre happenedineteen twenty one. Two years before

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<v Speaker 6>that was the Red Summer of nineteen nineteen, but even

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<v Speaker 6>that is like a misnomer because it was all year,

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<v Speaker 6>just a massacre every other day across the country. And

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<v Speaker 6>then before then was the nineteen oh six Atlanta massacre,

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<v Speaker 6>and then before then was the Wilmington massacre. So number one,

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<v Speaker 6>seeing the scale of how often black people were being

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 6>forced out of the South. So, as you said, like

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<v Speaker 6>the word traffics, I think it's important that we use

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:29.199
<v Speaker 6>this deeper language because yeah, we were trafficked here, and

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 6>then we weren't just like moving and migrating north. We

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 6>were running for our lives and being forced out of

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 6>an expulsed out of, very similar to things that are

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 6>happening in Palestine and the Congo and other similar places.

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 6>And it actually made me, it made me feel even

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 6>stronger in my result that there has to be a

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 6>free Palestine, because if I know what happened to my

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 6>family in North Carolina, what happened to a lot of

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 6>black families across Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Florida, et cetera, I

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 6>know intimately what a Palestinian family who is watching their

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 6>village be turned into an Israeli settlement, seeing olive groves

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 6>be transformed into like tourism spots for settlers, Like it's

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 6>you watch your dreams literally get ripped from under you.

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 6>In the case of Palestinians, you're watching bulldozers literally crush

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 6>your homes. In the cases of the black people, they're

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 6>burning all black towns, lynching people, forcing you north, and

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 6>from a distance, you have to watch a new thing

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 6>get built on what was yours, like Lake Lanier, right,

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.919
<v Speaker 6>like that was a black town that they said we're

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 6>going to put a lake over this, and like you

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 6>have to watch now, like you know, generations later, decades later,

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 6>you have to watch white people get on jet skis

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 6>on a lake where there are cemeteries under there. There

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 6>were churches, there were schools, there were homes, And that

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 6>happens in a lot of places. And it's not always

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 6>the overt violence like the massacres. Sometimes it's the violence

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 6>of eminent domain. It could be a lot of different things,

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 6>but a lot of policy and outright violence has been

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 6>you to take people like black people's life, savings, dreams,

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.479
<v Speaker 6>everything we've worked towards. So when people say things like, well,

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 6>we got to work together, like insert community, and it's

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 6>like we have always worked together. It's just right at

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 6>the time that we're succeeding. Jealousy makes white supremacy say

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.160
<v Speaker 6>ooh that needs to be mine. I deserve it more

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.439
<v Speaker 6>than you, and that's what needs to be stopped.

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 2>M that's amazing.

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 3>So give us a little bit of your personal, you

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 3>know situation when you when your your grandfather said, don't

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 3>sell the land. So what was the process like for that,

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 3>and was there people trying to take the land from you?

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Like what was the process that happened with them.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, thankfully, when my grandfather passed away, my grandmother

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 6>was still living so it was still in her hands.

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 6>And then after that it was put into a trust

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 6>and a land trust for our family to kind of

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 6>hold on to. And that's important for us to know,

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 6>is that you need more than just a standard will

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 6>or more than just well, I want it to be

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 6>this person's like, you've really got to get the paperwork

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 6>to really shore up these assets. Because black people, we

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 6>are resilient, we are innovative, so we can make some money,

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 6>but are we going to be able to pass on

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 6>in inheritance that the next generation can still get? So

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 6>I feel grateful that it is still in our family

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.239
<v Speaker 6>since he's passed away, But the larger story of our

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 6>family absolutely has a lot of theft in it. So

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 6>our family still has about one hundred acres in North Carolina,

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 6>which is huge to me. But when I was doing

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 6>the research, we used to have a six hundred acre

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 6>farm in like the thirties, and it's like, so we

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 6>owned more and had more as a family, Like we

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 6>had more equity as a family almost one hundred years

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 6>ago than we do now. In a post racial America.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 6>And that's the story of a lot of black families.

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 6>And again, like families that were starting over in Chicago, Detroit,

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 6>New York, Oakland, Newark, they weren't selling their land and

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 6>starting over with the profits they you were running and

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 6>you didn't get to bring it with you. So there's

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 6>a lot of wealth that has been left behind in

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 6>the South or stolen and kept in the South, but

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 6>out of black people's hands. But I'm still grateful that

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 6>we do have a little bit or not. So a

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 6>little bit one hundred acres is something beautiful. We have

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 6>a substantive family plot still, which is really really beautiful.

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 6>But I know that in two generations it went from

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 6>six hundred to one hundred. So I'm trying to make

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 6>sure that it only grows from here and doesn't continue

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 6>to get smaller and smaller and smaller.

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 4>So what would you say is the most important thing

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 4>that you have learned on this journey?

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I always knew this, but it's important to

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 6>realize how hard it is for black people to hold

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 6>on to our stuff, so that we understand and appreciate

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 6>what it means to keep it. And like, there's a

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 6>lot of critique of oh, well, you know, grandma didn't

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 6>keep the brownstone, and but who was helping her with

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 6>the property taxes, who was being a part of and

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 6>making sure that she knew that you were interested in

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 6>keeping that going. And we can't let our elders were

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 6>hire with assets that feel like burdens to them but

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 6>could be equalizers for us. We have to have deeper

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 6>intergenerational conversations with our elders, know their stories, know what

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 6>they have, because a lot of us are like, oh, yeah,

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 6>my family used to kind of have some land and

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 6>we don't even know the full story of it, whether

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 6>anyone in the family is still tied to it, and

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 6>so we kind of lose sight of acres that we

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 6>do have or homes that we do have, just because

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 6>it kind of goes to disrepair. So I think the

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 6>biggest thing is just how much how important it is

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 6>to talk about these things, especially as black people, and

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 6>then for white people to do the same, Like there

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 6>are white people who inherit things and they never critique

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 6>where it came from, why they are able to have

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 6>certain leisure and ease that other people don't. And even

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 6>if you don't think of yourself as someone who's super

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 6>super wealthy. If you inherited part of a business, a

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 6>small family, home, stocks, whatever, that's something that a lot

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 6>of black families have not and not because we don't

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 6>deserve it or haven't worked for it, but because it's

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 6>been taken from us.

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 4>Yes, well, you know what, just listening to what you're saying.

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 4>When I think of black people that I know, older

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 4>black people, it was always like a big secret.

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Everything they had was a secret. Don't talk about it.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 4>You don't tell people how much it cost or how

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 4>it came into ownership of it. It's like, that's nobody

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 4>else's business. Hide the papers, you know, put it in

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 4>the in the floor in the house. But that's not

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 4>helpful to a second generation or a third generation that

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 4>is attempting to learn or that would like to mar

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 4>so that they could keep the legacy going. And I

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 4>think I hear you saying when you say talk about it,

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 4>we're not saying just sit around and be like, yeah,

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 4>buy home, holds up. We're saying, give the details of

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 4>all of what has taken place, and then and then

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 4>also be willing to show the family where things currently.

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 6>Stand exactly that, exactly that, and like you said, it's

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 6>a I'm a response to want to not get too

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 6>wide with it, knowing that if too many people know,

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 6>they want with yours. I mean, that was even a

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 6>conversation I have with my aunt I'm thinking I'm being

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 6>the family activist.

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, Auntie, I don't like that.

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 6>You have guns, you know, gun violence and all this stuff,

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 6>And she's like, Bria, we live in North Carolina. We

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 6>are a black family with a lot of acres that

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 6>a lot.

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 5>Of people want.

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.959
<v Speaker 6>We have to protect ourselves and what is ours. And

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 6>it gave me a different understanding and nuance that I

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 6>still fight for gun safety and gun regulation and gun

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 6>protection and we can't leave black families defenseless, and we

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 6>can't force black families to.

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 5>Put themselves out in the open.

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 6>But at the same time, there's a difference between telling

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 6>strangers on the internet your business and telling the family.

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 6>And what used to happen when I was young is

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 6>at the family reunion, the elders would tell the story

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 6>of the family. There was a shirt that had a

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 6>family tree on the back and we would just record

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 6>this oral history and people knew what it was. And

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 6>I think that that is a missing recipe that we

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 6>got to get back to because other people don't need

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 6>to know, but we do need to have intra conversations

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 6>so that younger generations value it and don't settle for

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 6>a shoe box apartment that they rent forever when they

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 6>know that there's land that is their birthright, when a

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 6>home is their birth right, when kids running free in

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 6>a backyard is their birthright too.

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 3>So there's been a lot of talk about deed death right.

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 3>We had a black woman on here, actually it was

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Queen of four and she was telling us her parent,

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 3>I think she said it was her grandmother's home or

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 3>something that they literally she was still fighting for a

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 3>home that she grew up in and they just pretty

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 3>much told her that she didn't. So do you know

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 3>anything about that especially? And we were talking also talking

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 3>about the black farmers with what they've been dealing with

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 3>with their lane. So give us a little insight that

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 3>you have on those things.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's a really that's a really important part too,

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 6>the food justice side of it, because isn't it interesting

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 6>that we go from black people are the forced laborers,

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 6>We're forced to work this land, so then just a

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 6>generation and a half later, we are in food apartheid,

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 6>in communities where there are only bodegas and delis and

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 6>fast food, and we can't access the food that our

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 6>ancestors were forced to grow. And that's also something that

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 6>I say, is like we were forced to work the land,

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 6>and when they couldn't profit off of our free labor, it.

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 5>Was like, Okay, well now we want y'all to have

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 5>nothing to do with it. And so now we're so

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 5>detached from it.

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 6>Where organic food and clean air and clean water used

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 6>to be a birthright for us and normal for us.

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 6>My grandmother used to say that, like we used to

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 6>grow our own cucumbers, grow our own fruit, have our

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 6>own pigs and chickens, and now we're forced into these

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 6>Flint and Newark sort of communities where having a healthy

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 6>lifestyle is really not even up to you. It's up

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 6>to the infrastructure you and whether the powers that be

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 6>will let you have clean air, clean food, clean water,

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 6>you know. And so to your point of those sorts

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 6>of like attacks and the deed theft and how that

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 6>affects farmers, I mean, deep theft in general is a

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 6>big thing. There's a documentary called Silver Dollar Road that

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 6>kind of digs into this and a black family that

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 6>had grown up on this land their whole life were

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 6>told that they were trespassing on land that they'd lived

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 6>on their whole lives. They were like middle aged at

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 6>this point. We're told they were trespassing in that if

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 6>they didn't leave, they would go to jail. They didn't leave,

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 6>and they actually incarcerated these like I think sixty year

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 6>old black men who had lived on this land their

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 6>whole life.

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 5>That happens all the time.

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes it's they they're just hoping you can't prove that

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:50.280
<v Speaker 6>you have the deed, and if a paper gets lost

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 6>or whatever and you can't prove it, then they've shuffled

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 6>some paperwork around and now they can't prove it, and

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 6>now you're just lost in paperwork. And if your lawyer

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 6>can't handle being tied up with their lawyer, then you

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 6>just can't afford the fight. Other Times it's overt like

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 6>in the Wilmington massacre, they literally were burning deeds, so

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 6>after the massacre was over, survivors wouldn't be able to

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 6>prove whether they owned anything in the community. That also

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 6>happened in Tulsa, So there's a lot of shady, shifty

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 6>manipulative stuff, and that's definitely something to be vigilant of.

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 6>This idea that you know it's easy to build a

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 6>black wall street is look, you can build it, but

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 6>to protect it, to maintain it, to keep it going

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 6>is the hard part, because white supremacy will do this

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 6>all the time. I mean, the move bombing in Philly

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 6>was way more recent than some of these massacres I'm

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 6>talking about, and that was like what the seventies, the

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 6>mid seventies. So this government has shown that it will

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 6>turn the other way or be actively participating in dispossessing us.

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 6>And I think that is the challenging part, is how

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 6>to keep people optimistic and motivated to keep fighting for it.

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.280
<v Speaker 6>But I think we just have to because it is ours.

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 6>We deserve it, I mean, our ancest If they didn't fight,

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 6>we wouldn't be here having a conversation like we are.

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 6>And I just feel so lucky to have learned from

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.919
<v Speaker 6>people like you too, from people like mister b from

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 6>people who just have been relentless about speaking up about

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 6>things that feel so like the odds feel so sacked

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 6>against us, but still we keep sounding the alarm. So

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 6>we just got to keep fighting and keep trying new things,

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 6>but self protection is definitely part of it, because they

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 6>will try and convince us we don't own what we own.

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, here's the last question that I have for you,

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 4>and I just want to thank you for giving us

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 4>your time and your brilliance, because you know what you this.

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 4>My son made a very good point at the top

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 4>of this interview, and that is that you are always

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 4>on a different vibe, like you're educating people. Your content

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 4>is different from what everybody else is talking about. So

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 4>while folks running around up and down about Trump this

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.720
<v Speaker 4>and Trump that, you'll be on your page talking about

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 4>land ownership, talking about women's rights, young people, you know,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 4>and young people's power and so on and so forth.

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 4>So I appreciate the fact that you stay. You are

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.919
<v Speaker 4>a person who dances to your own tumb and it's

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 4>not an off beat. It's always I was watching that

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 4>my family reunion, the line dances, as you know, that's

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 4>a big deal. Everybody does a great line dance. They

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 4>got about twenty five. Fama and I have some cousins

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 4>that are so skilled at the line dances that they

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:40.840
<v Speaker 4>go in the opposite direction in the midst of the crowds.

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 4>Or going one way and they're going in the opposite direction.

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 4>But it's never off key. It's always key and it

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 4>stands out. And I think that's you know, I think

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 4>of you that way. But I want you and I

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 4>want you to speak to this really quickly. There are

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 4>people who are advocates for land ownerships. They are advocates

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 4>for economic development and economic sustainability in our community.

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Is there.

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 4>They are advocates for us being smarter about investments and

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 4>savings and all of that, and some of these saying

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 4>people believe that the political process is not that important,

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 4>that voting is not important.

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>All of these.

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 4>Candidates ain't no good and therefore I'm not voting for anybody.

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna focus on getting money. And in a

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 4>time where we see the Tulsa massacre proceedings being thrown

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 4>out of the highest court, at a time when we

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 4>see the Fearless Fund under attack.

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Which is an effort to.

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 4>Help fund black women's businesses by black women, at a

0:39:56.320 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 4>time when we see an effort, and not just an effort,

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 4>a very successful campaign to dismantle DEI practices within corporate institutions,

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 4>educational institutions, government institutions. What do you say you're a

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 4>younger person too, you have your finger on the pulse

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 4>of what is happening with young people. Do you think

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.280
<v Speaker 4>that at this point voting is past and we should

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 4>just be focusing on getting money or do you see

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 4>value in voting.

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 5>I definitely see value in both.

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm not someone who thinks any one strategy can work

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 6>by itself, because again, you can be focused on getting money,

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 6>and if you're not building up protections and safety nets,

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.359
<v Speaker 6>then that can just get snatched from you. And if

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 6>you only focus on voting, which some people do, and

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 6>present that as like the thing that's going to save democracy,

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.959
<v Speaker 6>when it doesn't save democracy, then you disappoint people because

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 6>it's like you just told me this was the most

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 6>consequential thing I could do in my lifetime. I did it,

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 6>and it doesn't feel consequential if things.

0:40:58.600 --> 0:40:59.280
<v Speaker 5>Feel the same.

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 6>So I think it's both, and I think those who

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 6>are pushing people to vote have to stop pretending as

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 6>though it's going to be this like one hundred and

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.320
<v Speaker 6>eighty degrees change. A lot of things will be the same,

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 6>but there's also a lot we can change. Voting is

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 6>not just for the president. There's so many down ballot

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 6>positions that we vote for commissioners of agriculture, right, jobs

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 6>that we're like we don't even even really think about,

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 6>but have so much say over things like what you

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:25.919
<v Speaker 6>can do with your land. Like, for example, you could

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 6>buy a bunch of land and someone can tell you, oh,

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 6>that's zoned a certain way, you can't build that business there.

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 6>You can't do that saying there. So now you have

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 6>this whole plan for yourself. But because you didn't know that,

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.320
<v Speaker 6>the person in office doesn't once you building a marijuana

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 6>business in his state.

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:40.839
<v Speaker 5>Now you know what I mean.

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 6>So there's an importance in addressing it from all areas.

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 6>And I think that young people who feel jaden just

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 6>have to remember you're not voting because you think that

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 6>that's going to be the one thing you can do

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 6>to save the world. You're voting because you need a

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 6>range of tools in your arsenal.

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 5>And that's you know, that's important.

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 6>So the last thing I'll say, Another example that I'll

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 6>give as the last thing is the Bruce's Beach example.

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 6>Everyone was really excited about this family in California that

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 6>gets their beachfront land back after cavan Ward and the

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 6>organization where's my land? Fight for them to get this land,

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 6>and they're given this land back. But when the land

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 6>was taken from them, it was beachfront property with a

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 6>resort on it.

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 5>When it's given back.

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 6>To them, it's just it's just the property, no buildings

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 6>on it, nothing they can move into, nothing they can

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 6>immediately profit off of. That's a tax burden in the

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 6>state of California. There's no way for this working class

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 6>family to make any money off of this land. So

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:38.359
<v Speaker 6>when they had to sell it back to the state,

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 6>people were upset. But it's like what you should have

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 6>fought for or not. You know, this isn't actually come

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 6>at the activists, But what we can be fighting for

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 6>on all ends is give the people their land back,

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 6>and they should get a property tax exemption. And I'm

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 6>fighting for a change to the property tax code in

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 6>general so that black families can get more belief And

0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 6>you know, like those are.

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:00.839
<v Speaker 5>The sorts of things that we need elect officials doing.

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 6>Or like in New York, if I didn't believe in voting,

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 6>we wouldn't have someone like Drewmini Williams, who we know

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 6>is always in a position to use his power for

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 6>the people. So I think that we just have to

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 6>remember that there are local offices that we can elect

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 6>people to that can make a huge difference, and at

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 6>the least we can mitigate harm and decide who do

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 6>we want to be working against as we fight for more.

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 6>But if you only focused on getting your money and

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 6>not focused on who's trying to take your money, then

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 6>you're looking at only one hand, and there's lots of hands.

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Wimen, that's an excellent thing.

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 3>I just want you to end this by just telling

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 3>the people what do you want them to get when

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 3>they read this book? What is your hopes that everyone

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 3>who gets this book, because everyone needs to get it,

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 3>but what is your hopes that they give from them?

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 5>Thank y'all for having me.

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:51.799
<v Speaker 6>My hope is that people will read this book and

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 6>see that reparations is inevitable. That we can't talk about

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.439
<v Speaker 6>it as a we should have had it. It would

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 6>be nice to have no reparations are inevitable. You're not

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 6>an ally if you don't believe in reparations. You're not

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 6>for our community. If you do not believe in reparations,

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 6>because it is the only thing that can achieve bridging

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 6>racial wealth gaps and addressing some of the environmental injustice

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 6>that we're dealing with and getting to put black people

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 6>in a position to finally be autonomous, to be in

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:20.800
<v Speaker 6>control of our own futures, our own businesses, our own families.

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 6>So I hope that people read it and excited to

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 6>work more towards reparations.

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>A Baker, that's a word.

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 2>See listen. I just want to say one more thing

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>before we go. Her mama is bad.

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 3>My mama are discermon at the book thing. I know

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 3>where you get it from, because that's a bad woman.

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 3>So shout out to Mama Baker. We appreciate you, We

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 3>love you.

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Bria. Continue to be great like you've always been.

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 3>I always knew that this is who you were, and

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm just proud to see you just butting like a butterfly.

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 5>Thank you. I appreciate you. And I'm gonna have to

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 5>tell her you said that.

0:44:56.640 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, re a Baker. Root it, pick it up. Love

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 1>you too, y'all.

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.839
<v Speaker 3>Shout out to Bria man, Love her to death, man book,

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 3>gotta read the Love Her to Life. That's right, Love

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 3>her to life. You should we all get that book.

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Read it. It's touching, it's real. She's everything. That's right,

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 3>and it's every element of who she is. So now

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 3>we get to mind. I don't get it. I posted

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 3>a meme on my page last week and it was

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:32.719
<v Speaker 3>funny to me.

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 3>It was a guy he was with a girl and

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 3>she started talking and he was like all, yeah, yeah,

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 3>and what else do you do? And then she just

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 3>gave him this look like she was confused, and it

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 3>was like huh, and then he was like what else

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.359
<v Speaker 3>do you do? And then she still was confused, and

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 3>then it was this slow motion boys, She's like, what

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 3>else do you do? And then she just still was

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.440
<v Speaker 3>just stuff like she didn't get it. So you know that,

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 3>and the moral of the story is like there are

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 3>some girls that all they can do is talk. They

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 3>don't have anything else to offer, and we know there's

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:06.399
<v Speaker 3>some men that don't have anything to offer too.

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.479
<v Speaker 2>But it was funny, you know, just and.

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of different comments on there, and

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 3>then it brought me, you know, there was one of

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 3>the comments where women was like, well, y'all need to

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 3>not you know, you should stop liking pages like that

0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 3>as girls that's all they do and all you do

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 3>is like it.

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:23.320
<v Speaker 2>And then it was.

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Some girls like, well, what else, what do we have

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 3>to offer for her to have to offer more than that?

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.839
<v Speaker 3>So there was just different comments and different that, And

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 3>one of the things it brought me to was just

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 3>thinking about how we are portraying our women, right like.

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 3>And it's not to take anything away from women who

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 3>turk like I love to see a woman turk. There's

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.959
<v Speaker 3>no man, you know, there's very few. I'm not gonna

0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 3>say nobody. There are very few men who are heterosexual

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 3>males that don't like to see a woman who got

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 3>a nice body, tworking and working our body. That's just

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 3>something in man. It's gonna like naturally, you know. But

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 3>but when you looking to date or you actually looking

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 3>to take something serious, you want to see more than that,

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 3>right And I think for me, there was this conversation

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 3>about BT awards, and I really didn't get involved in

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 3>it because I didn't, you know, I don't. I don't

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 3>want to throw shade at anybody or any individual. You know,

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 3>a lot of these women are talented. They just know

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.280
<v Speaker 3>how to kirk and work and be talented. But there

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 3>are women in this industry who don't t work, who

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 3>are talented, who are skilled to adult rappers who can Damn,

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 3>who can do all those things? But they just rather

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 3>not work. It's just not something that they'll come through

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 3>it or something that they choose to do.

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 3>So when I looked at the BT Awards and then

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 3>it was people like, oh, that's all we got, and

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.400
<v Speaker 3>I said, damn, you know, and and and then I

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.840
<v Speaker 3>compared it to that meme and the reaction I started saying,

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, we are we not doing ourselves a disservice?

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Are we doing ourselves? Yeah, we're doing it.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 3>We're actually doing ourselves with disservice when all we show

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 3>is one genre of female doing something right, because it

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 3>makes it seem like that's all we have. And when

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 3>you say black entertainment television, if that's the only entertainment

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.759
<v Speaker 3>we got, you know that then is wrong. I mean,

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:25.919
<v Speaker 3>because I know it's not the only entertainment we got.

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.239
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. We have artists like Tink,

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 3>We have artists like on Rhapsody, We have artists like

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Lady London.

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 3>We have artists that I know that are dope that

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 3>nobody and they're not talking, that's that's not what they do.

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 3>They're not saying they can't, but that's just not the

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.319
<v Speaker 3>way that they promote their music. And when we're not

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 3>highlighting them, we're not giving them the same platforms and

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 3>stages that we give those who do do it, then

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 3>it is an imbalance, you know. And I think that's

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 3>what's happened in society all together. For me, there's just

0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.919
<v Speaker 3>too much of an imbalance one way or the other.

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.320
<v Speaker 3>Like what happened to the balance, What happened to where

0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 3>we had conscious music? You know, we had street orientated music,

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 3>we had just fun and music. We had love song

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 3>like it's either this or that, right, it's it's all the.

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Way this, so all the way there.

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, I think that we need to start

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 3>highlighting more things because you know, like men are either

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 3>jaded with just seeing somebody talk all the time, or

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 3>that's all they want to see because that's all they've

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.120
<v Speaker 3>been given. You know, you just start taking it ass

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 3>that's all it really is. And I think it's so

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 3>much more, especially as black people and entertainment television. I

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 3>think it's so much more that we have to offer

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.400
<v Speaker 3>that we actually aren't given, you know, and it's making

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 3>it's so lopsided the view of what black women is

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 3>and what black entertainment is. It's just changing for and

0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a negative you know, connotation just attached

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:00.120
<v Speaker 3>to it now. And I just wonder, I think think

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 3>we have to be a lot more intentional and so

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 3>I just don't get. What I don't get is why

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 3>aren't these platforms highlighting different styles of music, different styles

0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 3>of entertainment for females. Why aren't Why isn't that something

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 3>that people are intentional about doing.

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's my thing. Yes, balance is key.

0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 4>I always talk about it because I am not, you know,

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 4>one to condemn, which I understand that you're also not condemning,

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, any artists, right, I don't condemn them. You

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 4>know when people have come to me and they're like, oh,

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.400
<v Speaker 4>you need to be saying something about sexy Red and

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 4>Sukiana and this one and that one because it's filth

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 4>and it's this and it's that. By the way, every

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 4>now and then, depending on what the song is, I

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 4>be bumping a little sexy Red. So I'm not I'm

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 4>not if everybody say, get it sexy.

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not gonna be a hypocrite there.

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 4>I also know that there was a people like well,

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.839
<v Speaker 4>one person said to me, no, it's different, it's much

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 4>more raunchy.

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know how much more raunchy.

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.880
<v Speaker 4>You could get the little Kim on the cover of

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 4>her album where she was kneeling down or squatting down

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 4>and you could literally see hair on the.

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Sides of her vagina. That's a fact.

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:33.719
<v Speaker 4>So it's been raunchy. Adena Howard was raunchy. Now perhaps

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 4>the times were a little different. So it's just like

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 4>you and me right like or and everybody else out here.

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 1>We used to wear the.

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 4>Afro and now it's the fade and whatever the caesar

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:51.880
<v Speaker 4>and it time things eball people change, But the message

0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 4>was still popping kouchie, sucking pp selling kouchi, getting money.

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 4>There was the same message. The words is just a

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 4>little bit different. I am not one of those people

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 4>who's gonna sit here and say, oh, you know, I

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:13.799
<v Speaker 4>want to condemn these particular individuals. What I do think

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.759
<v Speaker 4>is true is that there has to be a balance. Now,

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 4>b Et will say, well, they look a lot at

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 4>album sales, right, they look at popularity, album sales and numbers.

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 4>Social media impact all of that. So if they find

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 4>that a person you know, is doing great numbers. Of

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 4>course they are going to put them on the show.

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 4>And then those people whose numbers may not be that good,

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 4>those people don't make it. And I'm not quoting pt,

0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:48.799
<v Speaker 4>but I'm saying I know the mindset because I've been

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:52.239
<v Speaker 4>in these media meetings and i know how they think.

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 4>So, but the problem with that, and I watched some

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 4>of the old time do something that was groundbreaking, and

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:08.799
<v Speaker 4>that was that they would mix in the people who

0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 4>you don't necessarily listen to or hear from all the time.

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 4>They would sandwich them between things, whether it be at

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 4>a rally. You know, it could be a new person speaking.

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying that nobody really knows. But

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 4>they got a powerful message. So they're gonna put them

0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 4>on right after Tamika Mallory or whoever, the big whoever,

0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 4>the other whatever, the better bigger speaker is, whoever it is,

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.640
<v Speaker 4>the President of the United States, whoever they'll have you

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:43.840
<v Speaker 4>introduce the President of the United States.

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:45.839
<v Speaker 2>It's like when you think about the girl who did

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 2>the poetry left. I never heard.

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:51.440
<v Speaker 4>Exactly Amanda, I forget her last name, but absolutely Goldman

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:56.600
<v Speaker 4>I thing, absolutely same exact thing. And I have something

0:53:56.640 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 4>to say about her, but I'm gonna wait until another

0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:02.640
<v Speaker 4>time for that on my list of things thought of

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:06.120
<v Speaker 4>the day, because since she called for a ceasefire, I

0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 4>don't see her as much as I used to, and

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna through some research to figure out what happened.

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:13.240
<v Speaker 1>But I remember looking.

0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 4>At her page she was calling for a ceasfire and

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 4>her comment section, Baby, these people got the nerve to

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:22.719
<v Speaker 4>talk about hate and division. I can't even I'm at

0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.720
<v Speaker 4>the point where I need a trap on my mouth

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 4>like a censor because I'm ready to say things that

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:30.840
<v Speaker 4>will probably just get me black ball.

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 1>For the rest of my life. And I'm already hanging

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.040
<v Speaker 1>off the black ball list. So whatever.

0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:40.959
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, So that's what they did. It was masterful how

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 4>they give you a little bit of what you like

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.839
<v Speaker 4>or what's being the shiny thing, and also make sure

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 4>you get other things in the midst of that. Now

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 4>BT will say, well, we did that with Taraji. We

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:57.560
<v Speaker 4>love her, do her political you know, her political component

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:01.840
<v Speaker 4>of her posting, and that made the numbers for research

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.080
<v Speaker 4>around Project twenty twenty five go up. You know, it

0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 4>increased obviously significantly overnight because of what she said, so

0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:11.320
<v Speaker 4>they will say they do that, but with the talent

0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 4>piece that balance is important and they need to be

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 4>intentional about that.

0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 1>So be quite honest with you.

0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I looked at I went back and looked at the artists,

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 4>be all of the women, right, because I wanted to

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 4>see where they extremely naked as I had heard. They

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 4>really kind of weren't. If you really go back and

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:37.400
<v Speaker 4>look at their outfits, they were not completely you know, undressed.

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 4>Even Meg, her outfit is sexy, very sexy, and very suggestive,

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:44.760
<v Speaker 4>but if you look at it, she has on tights,

0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 4>she has on tights, she has on all types of

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:49.880
<v Speaker 4>things that's covering her actual skin.

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Glorilla, Yeah, she went.

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:53.840
<v Speaker 4>Out there and shook her little booty, but she just

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 4>had a little broad top on in regular big pants.

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:00.359
<v Speaker 4>Like I really looked. Some of it was sexy, but

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't all. It wasn't all overly sexy. It's the

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:09.320
<v Speaker 4>content though, of what they're saying that it's content.

0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 3>It's the overall performance and everything, right, So yeah, with

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 3>the address, at some point there's working. There's sexually suggestive

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>inside the music, inside the performance. And I'm just trying

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 3>to say there are artists.

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>That just don't do that.

0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Don't do that.

0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 4>I agree, I mean, I agree with you, and I

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:33.880
<v Speaker 4>think the standard, the double standard, it spans across many

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 4>different areas.

0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 1>That which you're speaking of is not just in music.

0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 4>It's in politics, it's in everything, it's in everything, it's

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:48.280
<v Speaker 4>in social justice, it's in every world where people.

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:50.360
<v Speaker 1>It can go both ways.

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 4>It's either the super conservative is the most popular or

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 4>the people who are most off the chain radical just

0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:03.239
<v Speaker 4>saying anything, even if they don't know what they're talking about.

0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:07.280
<v Speaker 4>That is what people get attracted to because they're loud

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 4>and they have the most impressions, you know, And so

0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:15.000
<v Speaker 4>people who actually think don't always get the type of

0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 4>promotion and get to get the awareness around them and

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:22.680
<v Speaker 4>their thoughts and ideas.

0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 1>So I see it.

0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 4>I see that the balance is definitely problematic, and it

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 4>just has to be one of the problems that we

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 4>have because again, everybody's looking for the one hit wonder,

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 4>looking to try to make the algorithm pop so that

0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 4>their ex point of expression can actually make it to

0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 4>the mouth excuse me, can actually make it to the masses.

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 4>So I get that, but sometimes it's just a matter

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:54.240
<v Speaker 4>of actually calling our people in right like actually sitting

0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 4>down and writing a letter to be et or making

0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:01.520
<v Speaker 4>a phone call to say, hey, this is what we see,

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.240
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, versus us getting on social

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:09.400
<v Speaker 4>media and being like fb et F meg F, lotto

0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 4>F CARDI F this one and that one. That's really

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:15.960
<v Speaker 4>not it's actually because I at all.

0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I know that.

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 4>I know, you know, I'm just speaking generally. There's so

0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 4>much right now. There is so much divisiveness that is happening. Like,

0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 4>it's so much. I can feel it in my skin.

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 4>You can see it coming up the whether whenever the

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.120
<v Speaker 4>politics of a country.

0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Is array ariy excuse me, awry.

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:41.280
<v Speaker 4>The people you can see it as well, right, So

0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 4>you got that you have so many different division points,

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:48.080
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know, I feel like we're in a

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 4>place in time right now where we we gotta do

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more behind the scenes conversing so we

0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:58.520
<v Speaker 4>can try to bring our people along versus thinking that

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.440
<v Speaker 4>we could just push them off a cliff because I

0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:03.160
<v Speaker 4>don't think that, you know, I just don't. I don't

0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 4>know that that's going that's an effective strategy.

0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I agree with it, you know.

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 3>I want to hear from our viewers, like what do

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:12.200
<v Speaker 3>you think do you think that there needs to be

0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 3>a balance?

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Do you or do you like the way it is?

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it? You know?

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 3>I just want to know because maybe it's just me,

0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:20.760
<v Speaker 3>but I know there's so much talent and I love

0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 3>once Again.

0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:22.760
<v Speaker 2>I love man.

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. I love a lot of

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of was dope. I think you

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:30.920
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying. So, but I also love Rhapsody.

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:33.439
<v Speaker 3>I love Lady London like I want to see those

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 3>type of artists highlight.

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm not exactly. I'm advocating for balance. I am

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 4>not advocating to diminish these women who, through their own

0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 4>art and expression, are doing anything because nobody was out

0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:54.120
<v Speaker 4>with not nobody, because there was some people out there.

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:56.560
<v Speaker 1>But so I mixed a.

0:59:56.560 --> 1:00:01.640
<v Speaker 4>Lot David selling, Yeah, Luke, what's selling KOUCHI right?

1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:05.919
<v Speaker 1>So don't tell me is different. Don't be different.

1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Too what I'm saying. But we had ours, we had

1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:10.280
<v Speaker 2>rock Ken.

1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Hey, that's what I'm saying. I'm advocating for balance. I'm

1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 4>not advocating because let me tell you something, I love me.

1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 4>Lotto says she big mama.

1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm big Mama.

1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:25.400
<v Speaker 3>That brings us to the end of another T in

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<v Speaker 3>My Show. Shout out to our guest Bria Baker, our sister.

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<v Speaker 3>Her book Rooted. Make sure that you go get it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is an amazing book. She's an amazing individual, as

1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:37.520
<v Speaker 3>you see throughout the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>We love her.

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