WEBVTT - Get in the Zohn 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.520 This is How Men Think? With Brooks and and I 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:09.880 heard radio podcast. Welcome to another episode of How Men Think. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.720 My name is Brooks. Like and with me, we have 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:19.480 Mr Gavin DeGraw. What's up? I'm doing good? But I 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.880 miss your face? Yeah, man, bro, I mean I can 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.720 see your face as we're doing this over zoom, but 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.120 I missing you in real life in the flesh. Man. Um, 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:32.879 But how are you doing? You? Look? I mean what 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.120 I'm looking at here for those of you that are 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.800 listening is Gavin in a nice flannel shirt, a nice 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:44.240 almost English hat um sleeve, very English, dark black T shirt. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.400 I mean, Amy would have a massive crush on you 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.800 right now. And you're in a You're in a fancy 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.559 looking studio. Where are you, buddy? I'm just in my 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.600 one of my rooms at the piano room at the house. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.680 Oh okay, can you give me a fancy can you 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.920 do me a favor? Yeah? I really want to learn 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.480 to play I used to play piano growing out. My 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.640 mom maybe play piano when I was six, seven and eight, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.560 or I couldn't play hockey. And I want to learn 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:16.039 the song sound of Silence on piano? Can you play it? Hello? 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:21.120 Dark man? Smile friends. Yeah, it's just I can learn it. Um. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.440 A great song, man, a great song. I've been listening 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.480 to the Piano Guys. Have you heard of the Piano Guys? No, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.040 the Piano Guys and the Brooklyn duo there. Uh they're 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.880 a piano mixed with a cello, and I just I 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.880 have that look on kinda sometimes in the evening for 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.800 like a year or so. My buddy Matt Hewitt got 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.040 me onto them. And I just heard sound of Silence 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.800 on piano the other day and I'm like, oh, that's 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.880 such a beautiful song. It is. That is actually amazing song. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.760 Paul Simon is is at the top of the top 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.040 of the mountain as far as talent goes, songwriting talent goes. 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.520 He's a he's a out as good as it's going 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:06.800 to get. How would you rank your song your pianist skills? 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:11.239 And I said pianist your piano skills when I put 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.120 them at the bottom of the mountain, really at the 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.440 bottom of the map. Is it easy for you to 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.160 learn a new song? Like if I said, let's learn 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.000 this song, could you learn it pretty quick? It depends 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.280 on the song. Um, it really depends on the songs. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.880 How familiar I am with the song, UM and the 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.480 difficulty level. I guess the way to cheat is to 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.640 just slow it way down. I just play it as 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.520 slow as possible, you know. But that's how you practice anything, 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.960 you know. Yeah, everything is slow, so you always start slow. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.000 So well, I don't know, man, I'm the piano playing. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.920 It's something that that I love to do. UM. But 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.359 it's also it was never the first thing that came 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.919 to me. Singing always came to me much much easier 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.640 than playing playing the instrument, the instruments of things that 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.519 I've always worked at. Have you been playing a lot 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:07.239 or writing a lot luring this time I've been writing. Um, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.720 I've been writing quite a bit, mostly starts of songs, 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.399 you know. I begin a lot of music and UM. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:19.840 It's it's it's a really weird, uh time to be 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.160 trying to write songs, because when I'm writing, I almost 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.600 think that what I'm writing might not be important enough 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.359 if I'm not capturing the snapshot in time that we're 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:34.160 living in um or giving people some kind of hope 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.720 to get out of this time. But at the same time, 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.160 I don't really want to be reminded of this after this, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.160 so that's the debate, you know, But do you want 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.240 to document this thing? How much do you want to 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.240 document this thing? Um? I have my own little debates, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.720 my own little debates with it because I'm writing songs 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.320 that do kind of capture the moment. But at the 0:03:58.360 --> 0:03:59.880 same time, how much do I wan want to be 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.120 minded of this? Have you have you felt creative and 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.880 inspired during this time or have you felt like drained 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.880 and lethargic and like uninspired. I've had both those experiences, man. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.480 I think I think the first couple of weeks, in particular, 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:21.880 I was just in strict prepper mode. Strict prepper mode, 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.920 you know what I mean. It was like stock in 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:30.880 the closet with food and like outdoor gear, bugout gear, 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.800 you know what I mean, fuel in the in the 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.640 full wheel drive, like kind of like just that mode, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.680 you know, um, preparing for stores to be shut down, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.599 things like that. Um. And then after that it took 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:45.960 me a while and then I see a lot of 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.080 people putting up content online and I just wasn't feeling 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.559 inspired to do that, um for for a bit of time. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.880 And then and then I kind of then I kind 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.120 of got inspired to it after a while too. It 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.480 took me a minute though, you know it, really, it 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.960 took me a little while to feel creative at all. Um. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.680 First it was prepper mode. Then it was the that 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:17.039 lethargy or whatever the word is, um, and then I 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.800 started getting more creative. And but now I'm kind of 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:26.360 rotting that line between should I work today or sleep today? 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.280 And what day is it? Did I walk the dog 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.640 yet today or was that yesterday? You know what I mean? 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.279 Ground dog day? Oh man, I'm telling you, man, I 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.719 had this really terrible mustache up until about ten minutes ago. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.440 I shaved it off for you. I didn't want to. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:50.360 I didn't want to upset anybody. Yeah, So that's that's it. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:58.520 It's impressive when a man dresses up for a Zoom podcast. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.039 You've got my boat tie, man, I forgot my boat's eye. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.320 Must meet your board as hell, dude, so so utterly 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.680 board man. And uh yeah. Sometimes man, it's like if 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.800 I had a clock, i'd hear it kicking um, But 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.680 instead I just I can hear my dog licking his 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.359 body parts instead. That's the clock. It's just anywhere I go, 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.920 he just followed me around. It sounds like the kicking 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.920 of the clock that doesn't really keep even time. Oh, man, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.960 I miss buddy. I miss that guy. Um house Koda, Man, 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.400 how's your dog going? Koda is awesome? Man. I'm up 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.080 in Idaho. I'm at my host in Idaho. I spend 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.920 the whole day outside. I'm outside from like seven thirty 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.919 till five o'clock. I have ten and a half acres here. Are. 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.400 Property is pretty big here, and I've just been doing 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:51.040 a mass cleaning of it. Like, yah, good for you. Everything, move, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.000 building some rock walls, chains on down, some trees, clear 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.320 and brush you need it. Not easy work, man, chains 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.840 work is not easy work. If you do it, you 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.799 do it properly, can be if you do it wrong. Yeah. Um, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.600 and I've done a lot of You can copeck your 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.440 arm off, man with a change, he may be careful man. Yeah. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.120 If there was a guy from my hometown who cut 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.120 his own arm off with a chain, so yeah, he 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.760 had terrible chain to act. Yeah, dude. I had a 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.720 guy out We have some probably like hundred foot trees, 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.360 Like there's some big pine trees out here, and I 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.720 had a guy out here climb up at the other 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.080 day and saw it down from the top because there 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.960 was one close to the house here. That's kind of danny. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.000 If a big windstorm comes in, it could blow it over. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.440 And watching a guy watching the slogan guy go up 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.680 trim with the chainsaw hanging from his belt and climb 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.200 this tree. Yeah, and saw off the branches like chains 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.000 off the branches, climbed to the very top and then 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.480 chunk it off and come down. Man, what an art. Yeah, absolutely, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:56.760 absolutely the hazard pay man. Yeah. But man, he's been 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:01.600 after moose. Yeah, he's finding some. He was munching on 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.760 a deer skull the other day. He's fine and all 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.920 he's got he's got to have wolf in him. There's 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:10.280 gotta be some sort of wolf in him, a wolf man. Yeah. Yeah, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.239 it's been great. Um so yeah, that but the I'm 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.600 doing okay with the isolation. Like I'm out here, I'm 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.920 about fifteen minutes out of town. Um. I have one 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.480 neighbor that lives couple hundred yards away, and then another 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.680 neighbor that lives another couple hundred yards away, and that's 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.840 all that's out here. Um, And so I don't I 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.800 see them when they walk their dogs a little bit, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.440 but don't see the much we're practicing social distancing. But 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.719 I've been good with the isolation, right. I think I'm 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.319 an introvert by nature. I love having my dog. If 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.400 it wasn't for my dog, I'd probably be a little 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.439 more aunty with the isolation. But how are you doing 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:52.240 in general with the isolation. I haven't been completely isolated, 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.680 you know. I mean I lived downtown Nashville, and even 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.880 though it's a it's a ghost town down here, I 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.920 live in a building, you know, an apartment building. So, um, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.920 I've been I'm still taking my dog out. I meanfortunately, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.880 I do have the company of the dog, which is great. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.400 And my dad is my next door neighbor. Um. And 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.400 so I'm I'm regularly with my with my dad. You know, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.760 he's in and out of my apartment. In my apartment, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.480 I'm in and out of his apartment. UM. So we're 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.840 not completely isolated in that regard. And of course I 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.240 see I see neighbors in the building when i'm you know, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:29.240 taking the dog out. Um. Of course, become a little 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.520 more odd with your neighbors because you kind of don't 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.559 want to share an elevator with them. Um, you know, Um, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.360 But sometimes somebody just pops in the elevator and there 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.080 you go with your T shirt. Not that it's gonna 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.520 do anything, but you know, it's just an instinct, you 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.400 know what I mean. Well, let's just you know, I'm 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.599 smelling the day kind of move puts your face and 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:53.760 your T shirt. Um. But you know, but fundamentally, the 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:58.240 the interactions that you're having with people have been just there. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.320 They're so unnatural, you know, the interaction is so it's 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.480 so unnatural. Um. And this whole thing just feels completely 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.439 for me, it just feels completely unnatural. You know. I'm 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:17.280 I'm from the social um art. I play music for people, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.560 you know what I mean. It's like I grew up 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.640 in barrooms, you know, playing in literally in barrooms since 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.800 I was like a kid, you know, since I was 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.760 like fifteen, I've got in the barrooms and that's my 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.160 that's my day to day life, you know, since forever, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.199 you know, through high school, I've been playing in bar 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.160 so so not being able to do do that and 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:42.400 have that exchange is so unusual. Um. When I played 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.080 at the house, yeah, I love playing at the house. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.040 But you know it's it's just, uh, you're used. I'm 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.280 used to playing something and then going and playing it 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:50.920 for people because I'm proud of it. You know, he 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.120 checked this out right, this is cool, you want to 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:54.959 go play it for people? But what do you think? 0:10:55.040 --> 0:11:01.120 And yeah, you want? Yeah, exactly exactly. So so it's 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.000 such an unnatural it's such a natural moment because people, 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.640 by nature, we're supposed to gather and now we can't, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.160 you know. But but but it's interesting because you you 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.760 you're thriving in it, and I think some people are 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.920 thriving in it. Um. Some people just love the alone time. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.320 I really do love the alone time as well. But 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.480 I missed at least when I do go up go 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.079 out to see society, I want to watch it actually 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.959 function like it like should you know what I mean? 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.040 So so I'm doing okay with it. I'm doing good 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.880 with it. You're doing you're doing with it. We also 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:39.880 have looser and engineer Tory on with us, and we 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.840 were talking before and and t is really in one. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.920 She's struggle with how you doing, Tori. I'm like really 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:51.120 struggling with it. I'm the most extrovert possible. I don't 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.760 need any alone time like Brooks, Like I get that, Gavin, 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.520 You're in Nashville, like where you're from. But I could 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.520 never imagine myself doing what Brooks did it and just 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.680 like up and leaving l A and just going to 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.800 Idaho because that's just like so isolating and already and 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.080 isolating time. Like I kind of want to know more Brooks, 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:10.640 like why did you choose to get up from l 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.040 A where at least you can look out and see 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.240 people walking, to go to Idaho where it is very 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.319 isolating and all you can really do is like virtually 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.240 talk to people, you know. Yeah, well, I always wanted 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.800 to spend more time here. I bought this place and 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.680 I've never spent enough time here come here like a 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.480 week a year, and it's my dream property. Um, so one, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.319 I wanted to spend more time here to the place 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.200 needed an overhaul. It really needed a cleaning, you know, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.640 escaping and a cleaning. It got overgrown. It's kind of 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.520 in the bush, right We're right on the water, but 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.720 it's kind of in the bush in Idaho, And so 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.680 I've really been able to man manicure it and landscape. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:51.880 And three, um, just my dog with my dog, like, uh, 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.840 we have a yard and stuff in l A and 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.240 we go for trail runs and stuff. But here we're 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.720 just out. He's outside all day long. UM on the 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.200 water her. I can fish any day. UM. I have 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.439 a body that I can go hunting with. Um he hunts, 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.760 is going to go and just track along with him 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.960 and hunt and um. So there's just there's lots to do. Um. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.679 And I just I love being up here. I've never 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.920 spent enough time here, so I'm doing okay with it 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.000 and like, but I've always been that, even when I 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:21.920 was younger. You know, when I was a young kid, 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.760 I didn't need to be around friends all the time. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.240 I liked it. I had great friends, still have great 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.720 friends to this day. But there's a part of me 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.640 that enjoys isolation, and there's a part of me that 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.480 actually gets drained when I'm around too many people. Right, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.080 So yeah, I can I can identify with with with 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.040 a lot of that stuff. Man, be honest with you. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.319 I mean, I I think if I was in the 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.199 in the position that you were in where there was 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.720 like a country house to go to, yah, I would 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.840 be just loving it. Like right now, I'm kicking myself. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.160 We were looking at a farm last year and I 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.360 almost bought this farm, and I'm so pissed now that 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.600 I did not buy this farm because I would love 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.920 to be out there right now on a river at 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.840 the farm, you know what I mean, and have your 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.640 everything you need. You can be completely self sufficient. You 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.800 can garden, you can hunt off the land, you can 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.280 already have your cattles there, your chickens, etcetera. You can 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:27.560 you can be in an environment where you're not really 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.520 quite as affected by all the things that are happening, 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.960 because the land itself will make you busy and it 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.520 will provide, you know, if you're working with it, and 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.880 you can keep yourself busy enough in that regard where 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.000 you you can't have a great day outside doing what 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.720 you do with with the property. See what do you go? 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.840 I'm so a jelly Yeah, sorry, Like, what is what 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.040 has been the hardest part for you? And actually we 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.120 have a guest coming on today that's really going to 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.520 help you because this guy was in isolated and self 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.640 isolation for two hundred sixty days, so you can ask 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:08.440 him your question, what has been like the single hardest 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:13.960 thing for you in this time? Um, I'm one of 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.560 the really lucky ones who is continuing to work during 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.960 this time. But I think it's a little bit hard 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.320 feeling like I'm almost in survival of just working to 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.480 live and living to work versus feeling like I'm able 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.080 to really be in tune with like like my friends 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.640 my community. And also there's just like a lot of 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.520 guilt that I feel and almost working because a lot 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.600 of my friends are furloughed or laid often this time 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.080 because we are I'm twenty five, so my age group 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:42.960 is kind of the one that's the low hanging fruit 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.080 where they're just kind of chop that one off. Um 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.280 So sometimes that's like a lot of guilt and like 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.560 sadness and hurt that I've had to like feel with 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.720 a lot of my other friends, like weirdly makes me 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.640 emotional right now. Um So, like that just been really 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.440 hard because it's like you can't really be there physically 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.480 for anyone. And that's like my leveling, which is like 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.920 to really be physically there with people in hug or 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.640 like can I but you dinner? Or can I do anything? 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.800 And yeah, you can do that in your own certain 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.080 way during isolation. But it's just been really sad, I 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.720 think for a little bit of my age group, just 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.360 a lot of people already struggling with their identity and 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.560 then being in isolation because I live in l A 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.280 and that's a lot of apartments, so everyone's just kind 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.520 of living in apartments um or they're going back to 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.800 their families, and then that's always a hard adjustment to 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.480 feel like you've been on your own and making a 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.680 living and then you're going back home to your family 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.960 where they're like where are you going, like almost like 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.800 a curfew again and having chores and you're like, oh, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.280 this is It's just a it's a really conflicting feeling. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.840 And I think that a lot of again my age 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.160 groups have been kind of experiencing that where it kind 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.000 of feeds a lot of like insecurity during this time, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.360 rather than being like I'm going to take advantage of it. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.080 It's just it's a lot of you know, like a 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.160 little things that really feed into how I'm feeling. And 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.160 I'm such an extrovert that for me, I'm like, I'm 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.760 just struggling in this time. Some people, like you have 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:04.800 an there's there's things called energetic blueprints, and some people 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.639 get energized by being around people you know, and you're 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.000 you're a person that gets fed energy by being around 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.120 people gave. I think you two you are as well. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:19.560 I think he certainly is. Um. I think like our 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.960 producer Danielle and I are probably more similar. Is where 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.919 if we're around too many people that can drain energy 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.760 from us and we'll actually get large, we'll get more 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:34.480 energy when we're by ourselves. Um. So for me, I've 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.360 had a ton of energy. Um. But I will say 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.359 it is nice too. It's nice when I see my 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.439 neighbors walk their dog and we'll stop and have a 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.919 chat or something like that. Right. But yeah, I do 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:49.200 miss like, as you said, Tori, the friendships and uh 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.480 companionships and stuff like that, where where you do get 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.959 to hug somebody and be in the same room and 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.800 um even doing these calls, like I'd rather be in 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.720 the room with you guys doing this podcast. That's one 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.760 of my favorite things is coming into the studio in 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.199 l A and ripping the podcast versus jumping on a 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:12.760 zoom call like this. So, so thank you we have Gavin. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.920 We have a guest coming on. So Gavi, you known't 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.240 you pe no idea what's going on to you? No? 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:22.480 I did not, So so to help you out here, buddy, 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:28.280 we have a guest. His name is Ethan's on and 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:34.720 he won the third season of Survivor Africa. So two one, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:39.440 he won the third season of Survivor UM and since 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.280 then his story is incredible. I mean, if you, if you, 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.320 if I've followed Ethan or no Ethan, you'll know his story. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.720 But if you haven't, his story is absolutely incredible. UM. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.480 And I'll wait till he gets on to kind of 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.000 try and tee it up a little bit. But UM, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.440 he's to give you the synopsis. He's beat cancer twice 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.320 since two thousand and one, and he's had too in 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.439 his recovery of cancer, had to do social distancing and 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.600 self isolation for up to two d and sixty days 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:16.840 at one. Wow. So we're gonna get Ethan's story to 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:21.040 help you, Tory, to help you, to help you, Gavin, 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.919 to help all of our listeners, for the people that 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:28.120 are really struggling during this time. UM. Ethan has some 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.280 tips on how to thrive, how to survive UM. He 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.880 calls it is isolation survival Guide, UM, how to survive 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.639 it during isolation. So I can't wait to have this 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.480 is gonna be wonderful. It's gonna serve our community and 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:46.480 help help my two friends right here on this call 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.879 back from Brick. This is how men think. My name 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.159 is Brooks like and joining us. We have them. Here 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.120 is the man, the myth, the legend. We have Mr 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.400 Mr Ethan zon on with us. Ethan, what's up, my man? 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.960 What's up? How are you guys doing? Thanks for having me? Dude. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.640 You look fresh, you look clean, you look you look 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:18.480 like you're thriving during this time. Umbly showered this week 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:23.480 to be mentous occasion. You guys should be honored that 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.800 I actually showered this week. That I've just been jumping 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.560 in the lake here, I haven't even been showering. Um, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.760 but I Ethan like following you and reading up on you, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.560 and I appreciate you coming on. Your story is incredible 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.119 and this this time right now probably seems like a 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:47.840 cake walk to you having been through what you've been through. UM. 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.679 I read your bio earlier. Most people would know you 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.120 from winning Survivor in two thousand and one Survivor Africa. 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.639 But really what's remarkable, absolutely incredible and remarkable about you 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.960 and about your story is since that time, you've overcome 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:10.879 cancer not once but twice, and you've had um self 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:16.280 isolation for up to two hundred and sixty days. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.040 so can you take us back to that one? I 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.600 just command you. I can't imagine what it would be like. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:23.760 Let's even start with that, Like, what is it like 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.760 when you first hear this bad news that you have cancer? 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.920 Like what is I can't even put myself there mentally 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.399 and emotionally what that must feel like. So the world's 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:37.800 going through a lot of adversity right now. Adversity is 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:39.600 new to a lot of people. Like what was that 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:47.040 adversity like to you? It was quite a life altering moment, 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.680 as you can imagine. I was thirty five years old, 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.720 on top of the world, you know, happy healthy, young 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.560 guy training for the New York City Marathon. Like, yeah, 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.640 in one of these times, you never think it could 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.320 possibly be you. But I said, like really, skin and 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.800 debilitatingly itchy, to the point where I couldn't even wear clothes. 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:06.440 So I'm like, all right, something's going on. I try 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.879 to be pill cream, potion, lotion known to man. And 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.639 it wasn't until like a swollen lymph node popped that 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.879 in my neck and they found a six centimeter by 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.080 twelveth century mass in my chest that I was diagnosed 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.440 with a rare form of blood cancer called c D 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.399 twenty positive hodgkinsling foma. Trucks Band never heard of it 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.960 either at the time. Um, but you know, at that moment, 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.639 you're just like, it was such a weird time in 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.879 my life because all my other friends were just starting 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.720