Speaker 1: This is How Men Think? With Brooks and and I
Speaker 1: heard radio podcast. Welcome to another episode of How Men Think.
Speaker 1: My name is Brooks. Like and with me, we have
Speaker 1: Mr Gavin DeGraw. What's up? I'm doing good? But I
Speaker 1: miss your face? Yeah, man, bro, I mean I can
Speaker 1: see your face as we're doing this over zoom, but
Speaker 1: I missing you in real life in the flesh. Man. Um,
Speaker 1: But how are you doing? You? Look? I mean what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at here for those of you that are
Speaker 1: listening is Gavin in a nice flannel shirt, a nice
Speaker 1: almost English hat um sleeve, very English, dark black T shirt.
Speaker 1: I mean, Amy would have a massive crush on you
Speaker 1: right now. And you're in a You're in a fancy
Speaker 1: looking studio. Where are you, buddy? I'm just in my
Speaker 1: one of my rooms at the piano room at the house.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, can you give me a fancy can you
Speaker 1: do me a favor? Yeah? I really want to learn
Speaker 1: to play I used to play piano growing out. My
Speaker 1: mom maybe play piano when I was six, seven and eight,
Speaker 1: or I couldn't play hockey. And I want to learn
Speaker 1: the song sound of Silence on piano? Can you play it? Hello?
Speaker 1: Dark man? Smile friends. Yeah, it's just I can learn it. Um.
Speaker 1: A great song, man, a great song. I've been listening
Speaker 1: to the Piano Guys. Have you heard of the Piano Guys? No,
Speaker 1: the Piano Guys and the Brooklyn duo there. Uh they're
Speaker 1: a piano mixed with a cello, and I just I
Speaker 1: have that look on kinda sometimes in the evening for
Speaker 1: like a year or so. My buddy Matt Hewitt got
Speaker 1: me onto them. And I just heard sound of Silence
Speaker 1: on piano the other day and I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: such a beautiful song. It is. That is actually amazing song.
Speaker 1: Paul Simon is is at the top of the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain as far as talent goes, songwriting talent goes.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a out as good as it's going
Speaker 1: to get. How would you rank your song your pianist skills?
Speaker 1: And I said pianist your piano skills when I put
Speaker 1: them at the bottom of the mountain, really at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the map. Is it easy for you to
Speaker 1: learn a new song? Like if I said, let's learn
Speaker 1: this song, could you learn it pretty quick? It depends
Speaker 1: on the song. Um, it really depends on the songs.
Speaker 1: How familiar I am with the song, UM and the
Speaker 1: difficulty level. I guess the way to cheat is to
Speaker 1: just slow it way down. I just play it as
Speaker 1: slow as possible, you know. But that's how you practice anything,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, everything is slow, so you always start slow.
Speaker 1: So well, I don't know, man, I'm the piano playing.
Speaker 1: It's something that that I love to do. UM. But
Speaker 1: it's also it was never the first thing that came
Speaker 1: to me. Singing always came to me much much easier
Speaker 1: than playing playing the instrument, the instruments of things that
Speaker 1: I've always worked at. Have you been playing a lot
Speaker 1: or writing a lot luring this time I've been writing. Um,
Speaker 1: I've been writing quite a bit, mostly starts of songs,
Speaker 1: you know. I begin a lot of music and UM.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a really weird, uh time to be
Speaker 1: trying to write songs, because when I'm writing, I almost
Speaker 1: think that what I'm writing might not be important enough
Speaker 1: if I'm not capturing the snapshot in time that we're
Speaker 1: living in um or giving people some kind of hope
Speaker 1: to get out of this time. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to be reminded of this after this,
Speaker 1: so that's the debate, you know, But do you want
Speaker 1: to document this thing? How much do you want to
Speaker 1: document this thing? Um? I have my own little debates,
Speaker 1: my own little debates with it because I'm writing songs
Speaker 1: that do kind of capture the moment. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, how much do I wan want to be
Speaker 1: minded of this? Have you have you felt creative and
Speaker 1: inspired during this time or have you felt like drained
Speaker 1: and lethargic and like uninspired. I've had both those experiences, man.
Speaker 1: I think I think the first couple of weeks, in particular,
Speaker 1: I was just in strict prepper mode. Strict prepper mode,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like stock in
Speaker 1: the closet with food and like outdoor gear, bugout gear,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, fuel in the in the
Speaker 1: full wheel drive, like kind of like just that mode,
Speaker 1: you know, um, preparing for stores to be shut down,
Speaker 1: things like that. Um. And then after that it took
Speaker 1: me a while and then I see a lot of
Speaker 1: people putting up content online and I just wasn't feeling
Speaker 1: inspired to do that, um for for a bit of time.
Speaker 1: And then and then I kind of then I kind
Speaker 1: of got inspired to it after a while too. It
Speaker 1: took me a minute though, you know it, really, it
Speaker 1: took me a little while to feel creative at all. Um.
Speaker 1: First it was prepper mode. Then it was the that
Speaker 1: lethargy or whatever the word is, um, and then I
Speaker 1: started getting more creative. And but now I'm kind of
Speaker 1: rotting that line between should I work today or sleep today?
Speaker 1: And what day is it? Did I walk the dog
Speaker 1: yet today or was that yesterday? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Ground dog day? Oh man, I'm telling you, man, I
Speaker 1: had this really terrible mustache up until about ten minutes ago.
Speaker 1: I shaved it off for you. I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to upset anybody. Yeah, So that's that's it.
Speaker 1: It's impressive when a man dresses up for a Zoom podcast.
Speaker 1: You've got my boat tie, man, I forgot my boat's eye.
Speaker 1: Must meet your board as hell, dude, so so utterly
Speaker 1: board man. And uh yeah. Sometimes man, it's like if
Speaker 1: I had a clock, i'd hear it kicking um, But
Speaker 1: instead I just I can hear my dog licking his
Speaker 1: body parts instead. That's the clock. It's just anywhere I go,
Speaker 1: he just followed me around. It sounds like the kicking
Speaker 1: of the clock that doesn't really keep even time. Oh, man,
Speaker 1: I miss buddy. I miss that guy. Um house Koda, Man,
Speaker 1: how's your dog going? Koda is awesome? Man. I'm up
Speaker 1: in Idaho. I'm at my host in Idaho. I spend
Speaker 1: the whole day outside. I'm outside from like seven thirty
Speaker 1: till five o'clock. I have ten and a half acres here. Are.
Speaker 1: Property is pretty big here, and I've just been doing
Speaker 1: a mass cleaning of it. Like, yah, good for you. Everything, move,
Speaker 1: building some rock walls, chains on down, some trees, clear
Speaker 1: and brush you need it. Not easy work, man, chains
Speaker 1: work is not easy work. If you do it, you
Speaker 1: do it properly, can be if you do it wrong. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: and I've done a lot of You can copeck your
Speaker 1: arm off, man with a change, he may be careful man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If there was a guy from my hometown who cut
Speaker 1: his own arm off with a chain, so yeah, he
Speaker 1: had terrible chain to act. Yeah, dude. I had a
Speaker 1: guy out We have some probably like hundred foot trees,
Speaker 1: Like there's some big pine trees out here, and I
Speaker 1: had a guy out here climb up at the other
Speaker 1: day and saw it down from the top because there
Speaker 1: was one close to the house here. That's kind of danny.
Speaker 1: If a big windstorm comes in, it could blow it over.
Speaker 1: And watching a guy watching the slogan guy go up
Speaker 1: trim with the chainsaw hanging from his belt and climb
Speaker 1: this tree. Yeah, and saw off the branches like chains
Speaker 1: off the branches, climbed to the very top and then
Speaker 1: chunk it off and come down. Man, what an art. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: absolutely the hazard pay man. Yeah. But man, he's been
Speaker 1: after moose. Yeah, he's finding some. He was munching on
Speaker 1: a deer skull the other day. He's fine and all
Speaker 1: he's got he's got to have wolf in him. There's
Speaker 1: gotta be some sort of wolf in him, a wolf man. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been great. Um so yeah, that but the I'm
Speaker 1: doing okay with the isolation. Like I'm out here, I'm
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes out of town. Um. I have one
Speaker 1: neighbor that lives couple hundred yards away, and then another
Speaker 1: neighbor that lives another couple hundred yards away, and that's
Speaker 1: all that's out here. Um, And so I don't I
Speaker 1: see them when they walk their dogs a little bit,
Speaker 1: but don't see the much we're practicing social distancing. But
Speaker 1: I've been good with the isolation, right. I think I'm
Speaker 1: an introvert by nature. I love having my dog. If
Speaker 1: it wasn't for my dog, I'd probably be a little
Speaker 1: more aunty with the isolation. But how are you doing
Speaker 1: in general with the isolation. I haven't been completely isolated,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I lived downtown Nashville, and even
Speaker 1: though it's a it's a ghost town down here, I
Speaker 1: live in a building, you know, an apartment building. So, um,
Speaker 1: I've been I'm still taking my dog out. I meanfortunately,
Speaker 1: I do have the company of the dog, which is great.
Speaker 1: And my dad is my next door neighbor. Um. And
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm regularly with my with my dad. You know,
Speaker 1: he's in and out of my apartment. In my apartment,
Speaker 1: I'm in and out of his apartment. UM. So we're
Speaker 1: not completely isolated in that regard. And of course I
Speaker 1: see I see neighbors in the building when i'm you know,
Speaker 1: taking the dog out. Um. Of course, become a little
Speaker 1: more odd with your neighbors because you kind of don't
Speaker 1: want to share an elevator with them. Um, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: But sometimes somebody just pops in the elevator and there
Speaker 1: you go with your T shirt. Not that it's gonna
Speaker 1: do anything, but you know, it's just an instinct, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Well, let's just you know, I'm
Speaker 1: smelling the day kind of move puts your face and
Speaker 1: your T shirt. Um. But you know, but fundamentally, the
Speaker 1: the interactions that you're having with people have been just there.
Speaker 1: They're so unnatural, you know, the interaction is so it's
Speaker 1: so unnatural. Um. And this whole thing just feels completely
Speaker 1: for me, it just feels completely unnatural. You know. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm from the social um art. I play music for people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like I grew up
Speaker 1: in barrooms, you know, playing in literally in barrooms since
Speaker 1: I was like a kid, you know, since I was
Speaker 1: like fifteen, I've got in the barrooms and that's my
Speaker 1: that's my day to day life, you know, since forever,
Speaker 1: you know, through high school, I've been playing in bar
Speaker 1: so so not being able to do do that and
Speaker 1: have that exchange is so unusual. Um. When I played
Speaker 1: at the house, yeah, I love playing at the house.
Speaker 1: But you know it's it's just, uh, you're used. I'm
Speaker 1: used to playing something and then going and playing it
Speaker 1: for people because I'm proud of it. You know, he
Speaker 1: checked this out right, this is cool, you want to
Speaker 1: go play it for people? But what do you think?
Speaker 1: And yeah, you want? Yeah, exactly exactly. So so it's
Speaker 1: such an unnatural it's such a natural moment because people,
Speaker 1: by nature, we're supposed to gather and now we can't,
Speaker 1: you know. But but but it's interesting because you you
Speaker 1: you're thriving in it, and I think some people are
Speaker 1: thriving in it. Um. Some people just love the alone time.
Speaker 1: I really do love the alone time as well. But
Speaker 1: I missed at least when I do go up go
Speaker 1: out to see society, I want to watch it actually
Speaker 1: function like it like should you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So so I'm doing okay with it. I'm doing good
Speaker 1: with it. You're doing you're doing with it. We also
Speaker 1: have looser and engineer Tory on with us, and we
Speaker 1: were talking before and and t is really in one.
Speaker 1: She's struggle with how you doing, Tori. I'm like really
Speaker 1: struggling with it. I'm the most extrovert possible. I don't
Speaker 1: need any alone time like Brooks, Like I get that, Gavin,
Speaker 1: You're in Nashville, like where you're from. But I could
Speaker 1: never imagine myself doing what Brooks did it and just
Speaker 1: like up and leaving l A and just going to
Speaker 1: Idaho because that's just like so isolating and already and
Speaker 1: isolating time. Like I kind of want to know more Brooks,
Speaker 1: like why did you choose to get up from l
Speaker 1: A where at least you can look out and see
Speaker 1: people walking, to go to Idaho where it is very
Speaker 1: isolating and all you can really do is like virtually
Speaker 1: talk to people, you know. Yeah, well, I always wanted
Speaker 1: to spend more time here. I bought this place and
Speaker 1: I've never spent enough time here come here like a
Speaker 1: week a year, and it's my dream property. Um, so one,
Speaker 1: I wanted to spend more time here to the place
Speaker 1: needed an overhaul. It really needed a cleaning, you know,
Speaker 1: escaping and a cleaning. It got overgrown. It's kind of
Speaker 1: in the bush, right We're right on the water, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of in the bush in Idaho, And so
Speaker 1: I've really been able to man manicure it and landscape.
Speaker 1: And three, um, just my dog with my dog, like, uh,
Speaker 1: we have a yard and stuff in l A and
Speaker 1: we go for trail runs and stuff. But here we're
Speaker 1: just out. He's outside all day long. UM on the
Speaker 1: water her. I can fish any day. UM. I have
Speaker 1: a body that I can go hunting with. Um he hunts,
Speaker 1: is going to go and just track along with him
Speaker 1: and hunt and um. So there's just there's lots to do. Um.
Speaker 1: And I just I love being up here. I've never
Speaker 1: spent enough time here, so I'm doing okay with it
Speaker 1: and like, but I've always been that, even when I
Speaker 1: was younger. You know, when I was a young kid,
Speaker 1: I didn't need to be around friends all the time.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I had great friends, still have great
Speaker 1: friends to this day. But there's a part of me
Speaker 1: that enjoys isolation, and there's a part of me that
Speaker 1: actually gets drained when I'm around too many people. Right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can I can identify with with with
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. Man, be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think if I was in the
Speaker 1: in the position that you were in where there was
Speaker 1: like a country house to go to, yah, I would
Speaker 1: be just loving it. Like right now, I'm kicking myself.
Speaker 1: We were looking at a farm last year and I
Speaker 1: almost bought this farm, and I'm so pissed now that
Speaker 1: I did not buy this farm because I would love
Speaker 1: to be out there right now on a river at
Speaker 1: the farm, you know what I mean, and have your
Speaker 1: everything you need. You can be completely self sufficient. You
Speaker 1: can garden, you can hunt off the land, you can
Speaker 1: already have your cattles there, your chickens, etcetera. You can
Speaker 1: you can be in an environment where you're not really
Speaker 1: quite as affected by all the things that are happening,
Speaker 1: because the land itself will make you busy and it
Speaker 1: will provide, you know, if you're working with it, and
Speaker 1: you can keep yourself busy enough in that regard where
Speaker 1: you you can't have a great day outside doing what
Speaker 1: you do with with the property. See what do you go?
Speaker 1: I'm so a jelly Yeah, sorry, Like, what is what
Speaker 1: has been the hardest part for you? And actually we
Speaker 1: have a guest coming on today that's really going to
Speaker 1: help you because this guy was in isolated and self
Speaker 1: isolation for two hundred sixty days, so you can ask
Speaker 1: him your question, what has been like the single hardest
Speaker 1: thing for you in this time? Um, I'm one of
Speaker 1: the really lucky ones who is continuing to work during
Speaker 1: this time. But I think it's a little bit hard
Speaker 1: feeling like I'm almost in survival of just working to
Speaker 1: live and living to work versus feeling like I'm able
Speaker 1: to really be in tune with like like my friends
Speaker 1: my community. And also there's just like a lot of
Speaker 1: guilt that I feel and almost working because a lot
Speaker 1: of my friends are furloughed or laid often this time
Speaker 1: because we are I'm twenty five, so my age group
Speaker 1: is kind of the one that's the low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: where they're just kind of chop that one off. Um
Speaker 1: So sometimes that's like a lot of guilt and like
Speaker 1: sadness and hurt that I've had to like feel with
Speaker 1: a lot of my other friends, like weirdly makes me
Speaker 1: emotional right now. Um So, like that just been really
Speaker 1: hard because it's like you can't really be there physically
Speaker 1: for anyone. And that's like my leveling, which is like
Speaker 1: to really be physically there with people in hug or
Speaker 1: like can I but you dinner? Or can I do anything?
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can do that in your own certain
Speaker 1: way during isolation. But it's just been really sad, I
Speaker 1: think for a little bit of my age group, just
Speaker 1: a lot of people already struggling with their identity and
Speaker 1: then being in isolation because I live in l A
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of apartments, so everyone's just kind
Speaker 1: of living in apartments um or they're going back to
Speaker 1: their families, and then that's always a hard adjustment to
Speaker 1: feel like you've been on your own and making a
Speaker 1: living and then you're going back home to your family
Speaker 1: where they're like where are you going, like almost like
Speaker 1: a curfew again and having chores and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is It's just a it's a really conflicting feeling.
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of again my age
Speaker 1: groups have been kind of experiencing that where it kind
Speaker 1: of feeds a lot of like insecurity during this time,
Speaker 1: rather than being like I'm going to take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a lot of you know, like a
Speaker 1: little things that really feed into how I'm feeling. And
Speaker 1: I'm such an extrovert that for me, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: just struggling in this time. Some people, like you have
Speaker 1: an there's there's things called energetic blueprints, and some people
Speaker 1: get energized by being around people you know, and you're
Speaker 1: you're a person that gets fed energy by being around
Speaker 1: people gave. I think you two you are as well.
Speaker 1: I think he certainly is. Um. I think like our
Speaker 1: producer Danielle and I are probably more similar. Is where
Speaker 1: if we're around too many people that can drain energy
Speaker 1: from us and we'll actually get large, we'll get more
Speaker 1: energy when we're by ourselves. Um. So for me, I've
Speaker 1: had a ton of energy. Um. But I will say
Speaker 1: it is nice too. It's nice when I see my
Speaker 1: neighbors walk their dog and we'll stop and have a
Speaker 1: chat or something like that. Right. But yeah, I do
Speaker 1: miss like, as you said, Tori, the friendships and uh
Speaker 1: companionships and stuff like that, where where you do get
Speaker 1: to hug somebody and be in the same room and
Speaker 1: um even doing these calls, like I'd rather be in
Speaker 1: the room with you guys doing this podcast. That's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things is coming into the studio in
Speaker 1: l A and ripping the podcast versus jumping on a
Speaker 1: zoom call like this. So, so thank you we have Gavin.
Speaker 1: We have a guest coming on. So Gavi, you known't
Speaker 1: you pe no idea what's going on to you? No?
Speaker 1: I did not, So so to help you out here, buddy,
Speaker 1: we have a guest. His name is Ethan's on and
Speaker 1: he won the third season of Survivor Africa. So two one,
Speaker 1: he won the third season of Survivor UM and since
Speaker 1: then his story is incredible. I mean, if you, if you,
Speaker 1: if I've followed Ethan or no Ethan, you'll know his story.
Speaker 1: But if you haven't, his story is absolutely incredible. UM.
Speaker 1: And I'll wait till he gets on to kind of
Speaker 1: try and tee it up a little bit. But UM,
Speaker 1: he's to give you the synopsis. He's beat cancer twice
Speaker 1: since two thousand and one, and he's had too in
Speaker 1: his recovery of cancer, had to do social distancing and
Speaker 1: self isolation for up to two d and sixty days
Speaker 1: at one. Wow. So we're gonna get Ethan's story to
Speaker 1: help you, Tory, to help you, to help you, Gavin,
Speaker 1: to help all of our listeners, for the people that
Speaker 1: are really struggling during this time. UM. Ethan has some
Speaker 1: tips on how to thrive, how to survive UM. He
Speaker 1: calls it is isolation survival Guide, UM, how to survive
Speaker 1: it during isolation. So I can't wait to have this
Speaker 1: is gonna be wonderful. It's gonna serve our community and
Speaker 1: help help my two friends right here on this call
Speaker 1: back from Brick. This is how men think. My name
Speaker 1: is Brooks like and joining us. We have them. Here
Speaker 1: is the man, the myth, the legend. We have Mr
Speaker 1: Mr Ethan zon on with us. Ethan, what's up, my man?
Speaker 1: What's up? How are you guys doing? Thanks for having me? Dude.
Speaker 1: You look fresh, you look clean, you look you look
Speaker 1: like you're thriving during this time. Umbly showered this week
Speaker 1: to be mentous occasion. You guys should be honored that
Speaker 1: I actually showered this week. That I've just been jumping
Speaker 1: in the lake here, I haven't even been showering. Um,
Speaker 1: but I Ethan like following you and reading up on you,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you coming on. Your story is incredible
Speaker 1: and this this time right now probably seems like a
Speaker 1: cake walk to you having been through what you've been through. UM.
Speaker 1: I read your bio earlier. Most people would know you
Speaker 1: from winning Survivor in two thousand and one Survivor Africa.
Speaker 1: But really what's remarkable, absolutely incredible and remarkable about you
Speaker 1: and about your story is since that time, you've overcome
Speaker 1: cancer not once but twice, and you've had um self
Speaker 1: isolation for up to two hundred and sixty days. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so can you take us back to that one? I
Speaker 1: just command you. I can't imagine what it would be like.
Speaker 1: Let's even start with that, Like, what is it like
Speaker 1: when you first hear this bad news that you have cancer?
Speaker 1: Like what is I can't even put myself there mentally
Speaker 1: and emotionally what that must feel like. So the world's
Speaker 1: going through a lot of adversity right now. Adversity is
Speaker 1: new to a lot of people. Like what was that
Speaker 1: adversity like to you? It was quite a life altering moment,
Speaker 1: as you can imagine. I was thirty five years old,
Speaker 1: on top of the world, you know, happy healthy, young
Speaker 1: guy training for the New York City Marathon. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: in one of these times, you never think it could
Speaker 1: possibly be you. But I said, like really, skin and
Speaker 1: debilitatingly itchy, to the point where I couldn't even wear clothes.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, something's going on. I try
Speaker 1: to be pill cream, potion, lotion known to man. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't until like a swollen lymph node popped that
Speaker 1: in my neck and they found a six centimeter by
Speaker 1: twelveth century mass in my chest that I was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with a rare form of blood cancer called c D
Speaker 1: twenty positive hodgkinsling foma. Trucks Band never heard of it
Speaker 1: either at the time. Um, but you know, at that moment,
Speaker 1: you're just like, it was such a weird time in
Speaker 1: my life because all my other friends were just starting
Speaker 1: their life, you know, like getting married and having good
Speaker 1: jobs and you know, starting you know, creating uh families,
Speaker 1: and for me, I had to press pause in my
Speaker 1: life and that was really difficult for me. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I went through multiprounds of chemotherapy radiation at
Speaker 1: a stem cell transplant, which was all good because the
Speaker 1: doctors thought they got the disease under control. But then
Speaker 1: twenty months later the cancer came back, and that for
Speaker 1: me was the hardest part. You know, like people say,
Speaker 1: when you go through cancer, you know you're an inspiration.
Speaker 1: This is awesome, But like when it's doctor tells you
Speaker 1: to do something you'll die, you pretty much do it.
Speaker 1: There's really no choice. And as a patient, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to like articulate what it feels like to be
Speaker 1: seriously ill, you know, like it pays more positive outlook,
Speaker 1: but when everyone tries multiples appealingly. You that don't work,
Speaker 1: you panic, you freak out, like I pretty survived. I
Speaker 1: just want to die. I didn't want to die. That
Speaker 1: was what was going on in life. So it was
Speaker 1: it was literally a survival for you. It wasn't about like,
Speaker 1: like what there's my opportunities in life? What am I
Speaker 1: working on? It was literally like I want to survive
Speaker 1: today to get to tomorrow. Definitely, and lucky for me, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I got on an experimental new drug. Less
Speaker 1: than two hundred people in the world were on this drug,
Speaker 1: and I got on this drug. It got me into
Speaker 1: remission as it well, it's gone a second stem cell transplant,
Speaker 1: this time using my brother or Lee as the donor,
Speaker 1: and now I'm seven years in remission. I'm doing okay,
Speaker 1: and everything's fine for you, buddy, thank you. But when
Speaker 1: we're talking about this kind of what's happening in the
Speaker 1: world today and this isolation after each transplant, I was
Speaker 1: in isolation for about a hundred and twenty days. That's
Speaker 1: where I got to the two sixty plus my three
Speaker 1: times on Survivor and complete isolation as well. So I
Speaker 1: think I have a little bit of experience surviving, you know,
Speaker 1: moments like this, and for me, it was really a
Speaker 1: big part of this was acceptance. You know. It was
Speaker 1: the acceptance that the fact that I was in this
Speaker 1: current situation, it's gonna be, it's happening to me. It's
Speaker 1: gonna last for a little bit, um, but there is
Speaker 1: a beginning, there's a middle, and there's an end um.
Speaker 1: And so for me to accept the fact that I
Speaker 1: was sick and I was gonna be going through this,
Speaker 1: I needed to get through that moment because then I
Speaker 1: could start the next phase of my life was mapping
Speaker 1: out how to stay alive. And people talk about what's
Speaker 1: going on in the world today. You know, we're in
Speaker 1: a pandemic. It's a global catastrophe. You know, the legacy
Speaker 1: of where this pandemic is going to be with us
Speaker 1: for for years. And like the first step to any
Speaker 1: change you really can't control is acceptance and how you
Speaker 1: guys feel about that. But with all this uncertainty in
Speaker 1: the world, the uncertainty breeds anxiety, and anxiety causes us
Speaker 1: to make some maybe destructive decisions. Right now, right yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Um. I think the people that
Speaker 1: really struggle with it are the ones that haven't accepted
Speaker 1: it that a life has changed, and it's changed for
Speaker 1: a while here, Like there's discussions, Uh, it's April one
Speaker 1: as we record this UM, there's discussions that it's going
Speaker 1: to be beginning of June, possibly before before most of
Speaker 1: the US is is opened up again. So we're looking
Speaker 1: at still another seven weeks, you know. So if you
Speaker 1: can't accept that you're fighting for something that has already
Speaker 1: passed and that you can't possibly change, and that's debilitating.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, and so the people
Speaker 1: that have accepted it have found opportunity and have found
Speaker 1: ways to thrive in this. Definitely kudos to you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's interest in to to acknowledge that even
Speaker 1: when they do say okay, you know, the country's opened,
Speaker 1: Canada's open, the world is open. Like it's not like
Speaker 1: you just snap back into the life that once was.
Speaker 1: Like I'll give it an example, just because we're talking
Speaker 1: about cancer. But once they said okay, Ethan, you're in remission,
Speaker 1: go home from the hospital. It wasn't like I could
Speaker 1: just snap back into fitness. Like I was different. My
Speaker 1: friends were different, the way interacted with the world is different.
Speaker 1: I was still living in a lifestyle. So even after
Speaker 1: it's okay, the world is going to be different and
Speaker 1: the way we move as humans and interact as people
Speaker 1: is going to be different. And so I think like
Speaker 1: the denial of this acceptance. You know, you can only
Speaker 1: reimagine yourself in a in a different reality if you
Speaker 1: can accept what's going on right now. And I think
Speaker 1: it's important to note. Can you talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about you said twice you went into isolation for a
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty days? Um, can you talk about how
Speaker 1: isolated you were, what was your atmosphere, you're scenario, where
Speaker 1: were you staying at the time, what was your human contact? Like?
Speaker 1: Can you give us those kind of conditions, UM, so
Speaker 1: we can have more of an understanding of what you've
Speaker 1: went through. Sure. So the first part of the process
Speaker 1: was the stem cell transplant. That's when I was in
Speaker 1: like a hyper stero bubble inside the hospital for about
Speaker 1: thirty five days. And that's when they kind of it's
Speaker 1: like pressing reset on your on your body. You know,
Speaker 1: they remove all the white blood cells, red blood cells, platelets,
Speaker 1: They bring you down to zero, get you close to death.
Speaker 1: Then they reinfuse you with healthy stem cells that were
Speaker 1: supposed to kind of um, you know, into your bone
Speaker 1: marrow and those reproduced as healthy stem cells to kind
Speaker 1: of kill the cancers in your body. So after each
Speaker 1: one of those, you're so immuno compromised that you really
Speaker 1: can't be in crowded places. No public restaurants, no stadiums,
Speaker 1: no subways, no taxis, no restaurants, no large groups. I'm
Speaker 1: in a mask and a glove all times outside of
Speaker 1: my own uh, outside of the hospital room. And then
Speaker 1: when I got launched to go back into my home,
Speaker 1: same situation, a little less intense, but no fresh vegetables
Speaker 1: because they have germs. You know. Everyone had to wash
Speaker 1: their hands and wear mask and gloves when they're coming
Speaker 1: inside the house to visit with me. Cleaning is very stringent.
Speaker 1: So it's just like a really and then once those
Speaker 1: hundred days were open, and then it was years of
Speaker 1: living a socially isolated life because I just couldn't be
Speaker 1: in those situations. No travel, you know, none of that
Speaker 1: again back into the stadiums. No stadiums, in large groups.
Speaker 1: So it was just an interesting way to you had
Speaker 1: to change your life style in a major way. Um,
Speaker 1: and it took a little bit while to adapt to
Speaker 1: that and accept that. And I feel I learned a
Speaker 1: lot on how to survive these isolated situations in the
Speaker 1: term of like how to structure day, how to work
Speaker 1: out in small spaces. You know, how to communicate with
Speaker 1: friends and family when you can't physically be in touch
Speaker 1: with them. So all those skills I feel like learned
Speaker 1: while I was going through this and can be applied
Speaker 1: to what's going on today in today's world. So yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's keep going with that, because I wanted the
Speaker 1: point of doing this. Podcasts try and serve our community,
Speaker 1: serve our listeners. And you've developed through these two times,
Speaker 1: You've developed what you call your isolation survival guy. So
Speaker 1: for our listeners like one, I'm wondering during that time
Speaker 1: because I think the first thing, the most important thing is,
Speaker 1: is like you're a person's spirit and how how does that?
Speaker 1: How are they doing psychologically, mentally and emostly? How are
Speaker 1: you doing? How is your spirit? Um here I'm reading
Speaker 1: about you said you never lose optimism, spirit or humor
Speaker 1: despite extraordinary rigors and setbacks. So can you explain how
Speaker 1: you did that and explain the importance of that, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into more of your isolation survival guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do I remain you know, positive in those moments? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that I talked
Speaker 1: about often, is I firmly believe that even in the
Speaker 1: middle of my own nightmare, my own crisis, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to help others in that moment really helped me
Speaker 1: heal as a human being. And you know, I live
Speaker 1: by the saying these days, you know, never let a
Speaker 1: crisis go to waste, because it's an opportunity to do
Speaker 1: some really important things and a cliche, but I I
Speaker 1: it resonated with me, and so here I was, and
Speaker 1: you know, all of us here are in the public eye,
Speaker 1: we know what that's like. So I really felt there
Speaker 1: was an opportunity to share my story, to let people
Speaker 1: know the details of my life because maybe that can
Speaker 1: help them. And while I tried to rewrite my story
Speaker 1: and survive in this situation, in that same moment, I
Speaker 1: was helping others rewrite theirs. And so I found a
Speaker 1: sense and purpose in my own crisis and sickness because
Speaker 1: I knew that I was using that to help other
Speaker 1: people get them diagnosed earlier, help them manage their cancer.
Speaker 1: Care or give a speech or an interview or anything
Speaker 1: that I could do in my power to share my
Speaker 1: story to help other people. And for me, that kept
Speaker 1: me a little bit uplifted and helped give a positive
Speaker 1: environment and where I was, Yeah, I love that I have. Actually,
Speaker 1: one of my best friends has out with depression and
Speaker 1: anxiety for years, and he really has been motivated to
Speaker 1: do something to serve with that because he's been through it.
Speaker 1: He wants to serve and help others. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: anybody to go through what he's gone through, and he's
Speaker 1: learned some things that have helped him ease his depression
Speaker 1: and anxiety. And I was talking to him, I was like,
Speaker 1: the fact that you've been through this, that's your superpower.
Speaker 1: You know. Like people people when they go through something,
Speaker 1: they might feel it's a negative or or it's a
Speaker 1: crisis or something. But that experience that you have of
Speaker 1: going through something traumatic actually becomes a superpower when you
Speaker 1: use it, when you use that uniqueness to serve others,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I love that you did that
Speaker 1: and that in turn served you. That brought you energy
Speaker 1: and life and served you and help you get back
Speaker 1: on your feet. So then you develop this isolation survival guide.
Speaker 1: You need to teach My buddy gave there because he's
Speaker 1: kind of a city slicker this um, But can you
Speaker 1: tell us more about the isolation Survival Guide and share
Speaker 1: it with our so they can take some of this
Speaker 1: and put it into action in their life. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this are these are you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say this is scientifically proven information, but this is
Speaker 1: literally the things that I did. You know, I kind
Speaker 1: of looked back at my time going through cancer and
Speaker 1: after cancer, my time on Survivor that the television show,
Speaker 1: and just kind of kind of wrote down what I
Speaker 1: felt was the most helpful skills that I used in
Speaker 1: isolation to get me through the dark moments. And those
Speaker 1: are you know, a couple of things I just spoke about. Acceptance, um,
Speaker 1: you know, service over self, you know, helping others in
Speaker 1: the middle of your own crisis. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the things that was really helpful for me is, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned your buddy, who's got anxiety. When I the
Speaker 1: second time after cancer, I struggled significantly with anxiety and
Speaker 1: just the fear of relapse, the uncertainty, the invisible scars
Speaker 1: that needed healing. It's just and I what happened was
Speaker 1: I got just totally obsessed with these what if scenarios,
Speaker 1: like what if the cancer comes back? What if I die?
Speaker 1: What if I can't have kids? What if I can't
Speaker 1: get married, but if I can't find a job, like
Speaker 1: and then I just started ruminating all the on these
Speaker 1: horrible what if scenarios. My entire day was taken up
Speaker 1: with processing situations that may or may not happen in
Speaker 1: my life, and I was just stuck. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: so what I've a skill that you know, especially now
Speaker 1: with people like we don't know how long this thing's
Speaker 1: gonna last. Like you, it's very difficult to plan your
Speaker 1: life when you don't know how long this pandemic is
Speaker 1: gonna laugh, or what the ripple effect is going to be.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, in a world where as
Speaker 1: humans we like to control things. We got the Netflix,
Speaker 1: your deliveries, your schools are in the schedule, you got
Speaker 1: your yoga in structure, everything structured and planned, and now
Speaker 1: it's not right, and so all this kind of uncertainty
Speaker 1: breathe anxiety, and so you get I started ruminating on
Speaker 1: these what if scenarios. So basically what I learned to
Speaker 1: do is I basically would take a what if scenario
Speaker 1: and let's role play here, what if I get the virus?
Speaker 1: The horrible situation. Let your mind go there, like go
Speaker 1: deep into like what would happen if I got the virus.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit scary, and if you go too deep,
Speaker 1: you know, snap yourself out of it. But once you
Speaker 1: go there and you let yourself uh kind of understand
Speaker 1: what that would be like, the next step would be
Speaker 1: to take a piece of paper. I wrote down the
Speaker 1: what if scenario, and then I literally mapped out a
Speaker 1: plan of exactly what I would do if that would
Speaker 1: if scenario happened. So I'd have to go to the
Speaker 1: doctor and get tested. I'd have to isolate from my wife.
Speaker 1: I would call my mom, X, Y, and Z. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, next time I started ruminating
Speaker 1: on that scary thought, I said, I already wrote it down.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what I'm gonna do. I planned it out,
Speaker 1: refer to this thing, and then I can move on
Speaker 1: with my day and I could let it go and
Speaker 1: sometimes reference this two, three, four, or five six times
Speaker 1: a day. I have boxes full of like post it
Speaker 1: notes in what if scenarios that I'm like looking through
Speaker 1: and that's scary situations in my life. But for me,
Speaker 1: it really helped to out the plan of action. And
Speaker 1: that's really just what you're doing. And that got out
Speaker 1: of the anxiety and unt of the out of those
Speaker 1: loops in my head. So bringing a voice to it,
Speaker 1: and I voice he wrote it on paper, but bringing
Speaker 1: a voice to it sort of lessened the fear of
Speaker 1: this thing that was in your mind on like psychologically
Speaker 1: weighing on you and causing you anxiety and consuming you
Speaker 1: almost to a debility, tobilitating point exactly. You know, okay,
Speaker 1: you could go out, you know, you could go out
Speaker 1: tomorrow get hit by a car. But if you spent
Speaker 1: every second of every day thinking about the idea that
Speaker 1: you might get hit by a car, you missed the
Speaker 1: whole day. And I was just sick of losing days.
Speaker 1: And that's and I just I couldn't do deal with
Speaker 1: it anymore. And uh, emotionally it was affecting me as
Speaker 1: have an issues with my friends and family, my wife,
Speaker 1: and I just had to get out of it. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the skills that I did to get
Speaker 1: out of those situations. Wow, Okay, great. So what if
Speaker 1: plan out your It's almost like an escape plan. Yeah it. Um,
Speaker 1: you've talked about service over self. Um, focusing on the
Speaker 1: plate of others helps you heal. So, UM, what ways
Speaker 1: do you think people could do that now? What? What
Speaker 1: ways were you able to do it when you were
Speaker 1: self isolating in your recovery from the cancer treatments? What
Speaker 1: ways do you think people can do that now if
Speaker 1: they're struggling to find service for others in their life
Speaker 1: right now? I mean, the first and easiest thing to
Speaker 1: do is like stay at home, you know, if stay
Speaker 1: isolated in the sense that I mean when I was sick.
Speaker 1: You know, I see these empty streets, these closed stores,
Speaker 1: the school's not in session, and I'm like, this to
Speaker 1: me is beautiful. This is an act of love. This
Speaker 1: is the world coming together to protect the vulnar old
Speaker 1: people and the health workers. Like so for me, I
Speaker 1: see that as a blessing. I would have loved to
Speaker 1: have no one on the streets when I was sick
Speaker 1: and be able to walk and function without the fear
Speaker 1: of getting sick. But so that's a really simple thing
Speaker 1: to do and stay home. But you don't have to
Speaker 1: do something huge en have to start a charity. You
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything grant, but it could be
Speaker 1: something as simple as you know, calling your grandmother. It
Speaker 1: could be sewing masks. It should be helping someone else
Speaker 1: in a time of need. Like nothing creates comfort and
Speaker 1: confidence more than knowing you're not facing the life challenge alone.
Speaker 1: And I think one interesting thing about what's going on
Speaker 1: now versus cancer. When you go through cancer, it's a
Speaker 1: really individual thing. No one will know what that experience
Speaker 1: is like unless you go through it, and it's different
Speaker 1: for each person. Right now, we're all going through the
Speaker 1: same thing at the same exact time. So when you
Speaker 1: feel alone, devastatingly alone, you can reach out to someone
Speaker 1: that's going through the same thing and you can connect
Speaker 1: and you can talk kind of help each other through
Speaker 1: these tough moments. And so service overself or being part
Speaker 1: of the community, those two things kind of go hand
Speaker 1: in hand. And um, you know those are some some ideas.
Speaker 1: Call a friend, drop off balloons at a hospital, send
Speaker 1: food to some people, make some masks. They're stony, wonderful
Speaker 1: and incredible things that people can do it right now
Speaker 1: to make a valuable contribution to the community. You know
Speaker 1: what I've been doing tell me, not saving, not shaving,
Speaker 1: but then also filming myself doing my favorite Gavin Degrass songs.
Speaker 1: I've been, I've been songs and sending them to Gavin.
Speaker 1: I mean, you share an example with me right now, please.
Speaker 1: I sang one of his songs one time on our show,
Speaker 1: is like our fourth or fifth show, and he didn't
Speaker 1: even know what it was. I was like, that bad.
Speaker 1: You don't even recognize your own song? It was that bad? Ah? Um,
Speaker 1: what else I love that I love? Like Gah was
Speaker 1: taking care of his dad out here where I'm at
Speaker 1: my lake house and idah here, I have a couple
Speaker 1: of neighbors that are in their seventies that I've been
Speaker 1: getting stuff from Costco from or for them and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And it does, man, It's so true. It
Speaker 1: brings you life just simple, and it could be so small.
Speaker 1: It can be something very small, but it is so
Speaker 1: rewarding to help somebody, um, especially at any time, but
Speaker 1: especially in a time when they need it, when you
Speaker 1: can actually see that, like, yeah, I can't imagine what
Speaker 1: it's like right now, Like your dad has some underlying
Speaker 1: health issues and being able to take care of your
Speaker 1: dad like it's got to be just a a joy.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of scary, but it's got to
Speaker 1: be also just you know, it is it's an honor,
Speaker 1: but it's also you know, it's funny because my dad's
Speaker 1: seventy one, he's you know, he had he had heart
Speaker 1: surgery and had some strokes and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: even with all this stuff going on right now, um,
Speaker 1: even even with the things that are going on right
Speaker 1: right now with him, um, he wants to get out
Speaker 1: into the world, you know what I mean. And you know,
Speaker 1: you know, granted, he knows that there's that there's you know,
Speaker 1: health risk, but part of my father's perspective is that
Speaker 1: this isn't really living. There's a big debate, there's protests
Speaker 1: about that right now. Yeah, and and and and for
Speaker 1: good reason, because you know a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are who are older, they want to be able to
Speaker 1: go see their friends, see their family, hangout, get back
Speaker 1: to their life too. And you know, if you do
Speaker 1: have underlying health risks, there's also no there's no guarantee
Speaker 1: you're not going to get the flu, there's no guarantee
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a heart attack, and in
Speaker 1: that time, where you were told to stay home. That
Speaker 1: was time that you could have been out kind of
Speaker 1: enjoying whatever time you have to go hang with your
Speaker 1: friends or your family or do these things that you love.
Speaker 1: Because I know we're all trying to make plans to predict, um,
Speaker 1: not predict, but to avoid certain health problems. But you
Speaker 1: can make all the plans you want and still suffer
Speaker 1: those same problems or some other problems in the interim
Speaker 1: and feel like, well, damn, that was like I could
Speaker 1: have had a good month at least, you know. Um. So,
Speaker 1: so there there is a debate about that stuff. And
Speaker 1: I do actually agree with with what Ethan said. I
Speaker 1: do think and and and also your same Brooks in
Speaker 1: that it is an act of love on behalf of
Speaker 1: people who are healthy to stay and they're trying to
Speaker 1: do what they can't write. We're all trying to do
Speaker 1: what we can um at the same time. At the
Speaker 1: same time, what will be what will the long term,
Speaker 1: potentially long term effects of this short term procedure that
Speaker 1: we're that we're committing ourselves to. What will those effects be?
Speaker 1: Because I continue to tell you very quite candidly, on
Speaker 1: an ecademic economic level, at poor countries are less safe,
Speaker 1: so on every level. So what you know, if we
Speaker 1: are to destroy our economy in the process of avoiding
Speaker 1: what what is happening or minimizing the the the immediate
Speaker 1: health health crisis, we may we may I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we will, but depending on how much long of this
Speaker 1: keeps up, we may create a much larger health crisis
Speaker 1: based on an economy that's tanked and and something there.
Speaker 1: You're then balancing whatever virus comes next year because we're broke,
Speaker 1: And what are you gonna do next year? So? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, and when you do this every are you
Speaker 1: going to do this every year? You know? Where people
Speaker 1: get wiped out every year? I mean, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, there really is only so much money.
Speaker 1: That's the fact, and and and and and even guys
Speaker 1: like me and guys like you can run out of
Speaker 1: money if the economy is whacked out enough. Um. And
Speaker 1: that's and and and and and that's people who have
Speaker 1: done very well for themselves. What about what what about
Speaker 1: the people? And I'll tell you there's probably not a
Speaker 1: not a hotel or a restaurant in the whole country
Speaker 1: that doesn't employ X con Right, So when you close
Speaker 1: every restaurant and every hotel down, all these guys who
Speaker 1: just got out of jail, who've been out of jail,
Speaker 1: trying to get their lives together. You shut the door
Speaker 1: on them or in the living you think, you think
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who just got out of prison,
Speaker 1: got a pantry full of stocks food just in case
Speaker 1: they lose their job and saving it for a rainy day.
Speaker 1: They're already, they are already trying to to just survive
Speaker 1: day to day. You just shut We just shut the
Speaker 1: doors on all of their their way of well being.
Speaker 1: We're saying we're saving some people, but what are we
Speaker 1: doing to those guys too? I mean there to leave
Speaker 1: a lot of Devil's advocate advocacy I could I could
Speaker 1: throw at this this combo and they're all important. They're
Speaker 1: all important. Um you know, so what kind of maybe
Speaker 1: crimes might somebody commit to? Go? Well, I'm at of food.
Speaker 1: I tried to go on the straight and narrow. Now
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have anything to eat for the
Speaker 1: next Who knows when I don't have a government check
Speaker 1: coming in because I'm making a living, And when when
Speaker 1: does that come through for a guy like that? And
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Well, somebody's gonna be breaking into somebody's home,
Speaker 1: so or somebody's business. You know. We got robbed twice
Speaker 1: in the first week of this shutdown, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so well we got broken into two times
Speaker 1: within you know, within like three days, you know. So,
Speaker 1: so that's just the what's what what can happen or
Speaker 1: what is happening? And that's just only one little window
Speaker 1: into in my life, you know, um and And And
Speaker 1: there's much people, way worse off than me. Um And
Speaker 1: So that's what I really worry about is is that
Speaker 1: next phase. I think that's the thing that's really worrying me,
Speaker 1: is if we don't get people to start getting back
Speaker 1: to some form of of of work and regularity and
Speaker 1: get the economy moving, I think that the virus will
Speaker 1: be the least of our problems. I really do, um
Speaker 1: and And I don't want to find out what that is.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're poking out of bear right now.
Speaker 1: Was a monologue right there? Go? Sorry man, No, no,
Speaker 1: because I think it's totally valid what both of you
Speaker 1: guys are saying. I really think it's it's all really
Speaker 1: valuable because is this other unknown. You know, there's already
Speaker 1: drugs that work. There's already drugs that are working on
Speaker 1: with people who have the coronavirus. And you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're being told the much to act like
Speaker 1: those things don't exist, but they already do. They're they're
Speaker 1: already operating at like efficacy in the nineties percentile or
Speaker 1: even higher. So you know, we're acting like the like
Speaker 1: they don't. Not we are. It's not that we are,
Speaker 1: but some people are. And I'm like, well, there there
Speaker 1: is a solution for this stuff. Sure, we are protecting
Speaker 1: the first responders, agreed um, and the people who are vulnerable,
Speaker 1: agreed um. But we really need do need this plan
Speaker 1: to get things up and running, because this is just
Speaker 1: so unnatural. It truly is so unnatural, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's it's scary in that regard. Yeah, not to be
Speaker 1: able to go to a concert ever again, can't go
Speaker 1: to a basketball game ever again, to watch a high
Speaker 1: school basketball game. I mean, it's like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like I can't go to a literal
Speaker 1: league game, sit on the bleachers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Was struggling with acceptance, yeah, a little bit, a little bit, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not struggling with acceptance. I'm cool with it. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'm almost a little too cool with it because I'm
Speaker 1: a gambler at life. So you know, I I believe
Speaker 1: in and and lots of different levels of Darwinism. A
Speaker 1: lot of people don't believe in it to the same
Speaker 1: degree that I that I do, but I am a humanitarian.
Speaker 1: I only say this because there's ways to help people
Speaker 1: who do get sick. We have, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: like there is no version of getting better. That's my point.
Speaker 1: And um, I'm not saying let the week fall by
Speaker 1: the wayside. That's not what I'm saying either. There are
Speaker 1: treatments already. So um, I'm saying we need to get
Speaker 1: our ass moving on getting the economy up and running
Speaker 1: because this virus will kill less people than they broke.
Speaker 1: Gas economy where people are starving or desperate desperation is scary. Okay,
Speaker 1: before we get there, though, we want to help people
Speaker 1: that are like we're gonna be in this for a while.
Speaker 1: So back to the isolation survival guide. Um, the next
Speaker 1: one you have, Ethan is check it off the list?
Speaker 1: Are you a list? Guy? Like? It says, make a
Speaker 1: list check it off, UM tell us about how that
Speaker 1: can help people while they're isolated. Now, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: list guy, and I wasn't always a list guy. But
Speaker 1: when you're locked in a you know, one room for
Speaker 1: extended period of time or my six forty square foot
Speaker 1: apartment and you can't leave for months, you gotta figure
Speaker 1: out how you can be you know, I just felt
Speaker 1: very unproductive, and I had imagined some folks today might
Speaker 1: be feeling a little just blah unproductive. Maybe you got
Speaker 1: an extra committing to work anymore, you got an extra
Speaker 1: two hours to do stuff, and you just you know,
Speaker 1: might not be able to structure a day. And for me,
Speaker 1: when I was down and out, like the thought of
Speaker 1: all the things I wanted to accomplish the ship, necessarially
Speaker 1: wasn't able to um, you know, working out and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, calling my friends and doing all enormous it
Speaker 1: was overwhelming, and I didn't necessarily want to sit down
Speaker 1: and work out for an hour. So I would split
Speaker 1: that up into like, you know, six five minute sessions
Speaker 1: along the lines. But basically what I do is I
Speaker 1: wake up in the day and I literally it kind
Speaker 1: of goes back a little bit to this what if scenario.
Speaker 1: But I map out a plan for my day and
Speaker 1: it seems pretty commonplace, but I would literally map it
Speaker 1: out by the minute, you know, wake up through my
Speaker 1: emails and you do ten minutes of body weight exercises,
Speaker 1: call my mom, check it with my girlfriend. Everything you
Speaker 1: would do and then it might see and I check
Speaker 1: it off as I went along. But the beauty of
Speaker 1: this situation was at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: would look back and I could see every single thing
Speaker 1: that I did, and it just had that It gave
Speaker 1: you this me, either whether it was real or false,
Speaker 1: sense of productivity, and it really helped me feel like
Speaker 1: I was doing something during a really sick, boring, bad day.
Speaker 1: And you know it comes from I think my time
Speaker 1: being an athlete. You know, I always I always felt that,
Speaker 1: you know, after you know, a yoga session or visualization
Speaker 1: training or meditation or like a massage or like the
Speaker 1: things that I was doing to help my body, mind
Speaker 1: and spirit be in line with each other during my
Speaker 1: athletic career. I brought that into my isolation career, into
Speaker 1: my survival career because when the body, mind and spirit
Speaker 1: are working in harmony, you know, I was a much
Speaker 1: better athletes, So okay, maybe I can take that into
Speaker 1: what I'm going through now. And I really brought all
Speaker 1: that so I did. I worked out my physical, mental,
Speaker 1: and spiritual fitness PrePost and during cancer, and I still
Speaker 1: take care of myself in that way today. And part
Speaker 1: of that was mapping out my days like Okay, i'll
Speaker 1: meditate for five minutes, like I'll work out for five minutes,
Speaker 1: I'll do emails, i'll read the paper, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and it really helped me structure the day. I agree
Speaker 1: with that. Even I'm a list guy too. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say I'm a huge list guy, but I agree with
Speaker 1: everything you said. And the reason I agree with that
Speaker 1: is and something I encourage people a lot is small victories. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: small big three success breeds success. And a couple of
Speaker 1: shows that when we had a former Navy seal on
Speaker 1: how men think with us, and he said, we're trying
Speaker 1: to we're trying to get we're talking. The conversation was
Speaker 1: about getting certainty or control back in an uncertain scenario,
Speaker 1: and who better than a Navy seal to speak on it.
Speaker 1: And he said the first thing that they're taught is
Speaker 1: take action in any uncertain scenario. Whatever it is, take action.
Speaker 1: You just have to. And so in this one it
Speaker 1: could be making your bed, could be like you're taking
Speaker 1: Actually if you write that down on a list, make
Speaker 1: my bed, and you get to check that off. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a super small victory, but it's a small victory,
Speaker 1: and then maybe it's the next one. Maybe it's the
Speaker 1: next one, and then all of a sudden, that snowball
Speaker 1: starts building and people look back and they've been productive.
Speaker 1: As you say, you have an internal reward because you've achieved,
Speaker 1: you've been successful at things, and that then starts to
Speaker 1: steamroll and build up. So I agree with you. All
Speaker 1: small victories can lead to UM lead to a massive
Speaker 1: amount of momentum. And the other point I absolutely agree
Speaker 1: with you on UM. I'm a big advocate on it.
Speaker 1: Gavin is too. But the being physical, working out, having exercise,
Speaker 1: moving your body, I think in this time, especially when
Speaker 1: we're most people are very stagnant UM, it's essential to
Speaker 1: have some sort of homework out UM in a small
Speaker 1: space can be like you said, can only be thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: but something to get your system going. Can you talk
Speaker 1: about why that was so important for you when you
Speaker 1: were in isolation. Yeah, and um, it was so important
Speaker 1: for me because you know, I grew up as an athlete,
Speaker 1: so I almost based my my whole identity was wrapped
Speaker 1: around fitness. You know. I'm sure you're you're aware of that.
Speaker 1: So like when you go through a health challenge and
Speaker 1: that's taken away from you, you know, I felt I
Speaker 1: had no control, so uncertainty. So the way I was
Speaker 1: able to kind of map myself and make myself feel
Speaker 1: like I was up to stuff was working out. And
Speaker 1: but yeah, really there's a lot of research showing now
Speaker 1: that some of the medicines I was using during chemo
Speaker 1: really um helps when you are physically active, and someone
Speaker 1: who's physically active going through cancer you're more likely to
Speaker 1: survive and to stay on your medical treatment plan. Now
Speaker 1: doctors are starting to prescribe exercise in conjunction with everything else,
Speaker 1: which is really exciting to see. Right, Um, it was
Speaker 1: just really important to me. And you mentioned like if
Speaker 1: I don't want to work out for thirty minutes, like
Speaker 1: it's overwhelming, Um, you know, I'd break that up into
Speaker 1: multiple workouts throughout the day. And you know you were
Speaker 1: mentioned about taking action. There's one of my favorite quotes
Speaker 1: is to do nothing is also to act, so act
Speaker 1: firmly and making things happen and don't just let them
Speaker 1: happen to yourself. So, you know, are working out, it
Speaker 1: boost your endorphins, there's a you know, obviously it's good
Speaker 1: physical fitness, it's good for anyone. It's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: trying through over history, um, and that there's no difference here.
Speaker 1: And it just took my mind out of the reality
Speaker 1: of what was going on in my current situation. It
Speaker 1: was just a cathartic distraction of the fact that I
Speaker 1: has gone through this horrible situation, and that really helped
Speaker 1: me remain present at that moment. I also find myself
Speaker 1: in like I'm in my best state after I work
Speaker 1: during working out, and after working out. After I'm I
Speaker 1: worked out, I'm my most creative or even during it,
Speaker 1: like I have a huge whiteboard in my gym, and
Speaker 1: when I'm working out in my oh wow, like just
Speaker 1: downloads and ideas and concepts come to me while I'm
Speaker 1: in the while I'm not even focusing on that. Um,
Speaker 1: just because I'm active, my energy system is alive. UM.
Speaker 1: I find I'm grateful self after like I'm my gratitude
Speaker 1: is an immense and through the roof after I've worked
Speaker 1: out my most creative self. Um, I'm a huge advocate
Speaker 1: Gavan's this. I'm a huge advocate of of wellness and
Speaker 1: health and fitness and how moving your body, um just
Speaker 1: elevates the quality of your life. So a grou with
Speaker 1: you completely on that, Yeah, movement makes it makes me
Speaker 1: feel alive. Like when I'm able to work out, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm alive. I'm a living human being that
Speaker 1: was at that time. Um, it makes you feel creative.
Speaker 1: That's another one of the things that my God is
Speaker 1: being creative. And you know, you know, working out you
Speaker 1: know spark some you know, new thoughts in your mind.
Speaker 1: You know the same with me as well. That's a
Speaker 1: place where I think and create. But if that's not
Speaker 1: your method of creativity, I encourage everyone to try to
Speaker 1: find something a little bit creative in your life. Learn
Speaker 1: a new skill, because you know these it's a way
Speaker 1: to spark the brain in a way it might not be.
Speaker 1: You know, working Um it once you can distract you
Speaker 1: from maybe what's going on right now, and you don't
Speaker 1: have to go out and like learn some crazy you know,
Speaker 1: be a famous artist or learn to play guitar and
Speaker 1: being a band. But but are you know, play hockey
Speaker 1: like these but still just to be creative, sparking mind
Speaker 1: in a different way. Like when I was going through cancer,
Speaker 1: you know I would. I did like music therapy, I
Speaker 1: did art therapy. You know are saying it out a
Speaker 1: freaking drum to Bob Marley. And I was made a
Speaker 1: popsicle stick bird feeder, which like all my receipts are
Speaker 1: in right now, I don't use it. But the fact
Speaker 1: that I was doing it, trying to do something creative,
Speaker 1: just it helped me spark my mind. And it's there's
Speaker 1: a definite connection between the arts and healing. And if
Speaker 1: you look what's going on right now, we're turning to
Speaker 1: the arts, the musicians, the actors, the actress is the
Speaker 1: artists in these times of crisis, everyone's putting stuff online,
Speaker 1: free concerts, comedians. That's what the world's gravitating towards. These
Speaker 1: fringe industries and subject matters that are being like cut
Speaker 1: from schools, pe and music and art classes. That's what
Speaker 1: the world is turning to right now in times of crisis.
Speaker 1: So if that's not a perfect example for the work
Speaker 1: that you do, buddy, like keep doing it, like we
Speaker 1: need people like this in the world because it brings happiness, fativity.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree at your point, do you think
Speaker 1: do you think it's time we should release our duet?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. I just we need
Speaker 1: to we need to fight over who's gonna wear the skirt.
Speaker 1: I think she both wear the skirt. I've been, He've been.
Speaker 1: We've been doing this show for I don't know about
Speaker 1: a year, and I've been begging Gavin for a year.
Speaker 1: I heard it. I'm a witness. I heard it here first.
Speaker 1: That's a bad idea, not if you're in skirts. That
Speaker 1: is a good idea you have here on One of
Speaker 1: your other um isolation survival guide tactics is to share
Speaker 1: and connect with others. So what ways did you find
Speaker 1: were most effective when you were in isolation and even
Speaker 1: now in this what ways do you find that are
Speaker 1: most effective to share and connect with others you know?
Speaker 1: And Gavin, you talked a little bit about taking care
Speaker 1: your dad and caregiving is a big part of this,
Speaker 1: and part of that for me is the connecting with others.
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting where you know. Often if you're
Speaker 1: taking care of someone. The thoughts and feelings that someone
Speaker 1: going through crisis is having are the same as the
Speaker 1: ones going you know, taking care of them, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. So like heaviness, sadness, anxiety, fear, happiness, Like
Speaker 1: my whole family was feeling that, and I was feeling
Speaker 1: that we just never talked about it and so and
Speaker 1: then the happening is we kind of just there was
Speaker 1: this divide. So like, I'm a huge fan of being
Speaker 1: open and honest with those around you, erasing all the
Speaker 1: kind of you know, toxic relationships in your life because
Speaker 1: someone who's going through crisis, you're laser focused on keeping yourself, um,
Speaker 1: you know, alive. And so those people who are caregiving
Speaker 1: often times, you know, your personal feelings and emotions towards
Speaker 1: the person who's sick gets in the way of your
Speaker 1: making decision. And like, fear is something that we can't avoid,
Speaker 1: um And if you let fear dictate your choice, you
Speaker 1: are powerless. So it's until you harness that fear and
Speaker 1: use that as a positive to give you strength to
Speaker 1: go out and do something as an individual or as
Speaker 1: a community, that's when something change happens. So when I'm
Speaker 1: connecting with other people like like goes back to like
Speaker 1: when you're not alone going through a challenge, it's it's
Speaker 1: so comfortable, so comforting, it's I don't know if anyone
Speaker 1: can understand that, but so I would literally I would.
Speaker 1: I would text people, I would call people. We would
Speaker 1: have little um uh conference focus groups. We'd sit around
Speaker 1: and just talk about stuff. Men's groups. I was part
Speaker 1: of a bunch of different men's group. I did these
Speaker 1: things called First Ascent was an outdoor adventure camp for
Speaker 1: young adult cancer survivors. We went whitewater rafting and kayaking
Speaker 1: and rock climbing with other people who have gone through
Speaker 1: a similar situation, and we could talk and cry and laugh,
Speaker 1: which for dude, me, like, I don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: had trouble with that stuff, to be honest, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not the best communicator in the world, and I want
Speaker 1: to do everything myself. And it wasn't until I actually
Speaker 1: got a little bit vulnerable and asked other people to
Speaker 1: help me that things that, like the doors opened up
Speaker 1: for me and a lot of my recovery was a
Speaker 1: lot smoother, to be honest. Yeah, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what's funny is I was on the phone last night
Speaker 1: with a buddy of mine and I patched in, uh knows,
Speaker 1: two nights ago, I patched in my brother And it
Speaker 1: was funny just paying attention to even just phone call wise,
Speaker 1: the difference in the energy level when you get three
Speaker 1: people talking versus just you know, two people talking, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it added so much having
Speaker 1: a third person on the phone call, because you know,
Speaker 1: it just it just flowed. It was there was the
Speaker 1: dead spots weren't there. It was always somebody had something
Speaker 1: to chime in, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: thought I hadn't. I hadn't had a three way phone call,
Speaker 1: you know, for during the quarantine until until that I
Speaker 1: was got we we should do this again, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, uh, it's funny how just adding
Speaker 1: another personality, another personality. So this is good. This is good.
Speaker 1: This is helpful for me. I like hearing the back
Speaker 1: and forth. Tory. You have a question. Um, okay, So
Speaker 1: I have a question because we had Dr viv on
Speaker 1: last week and she's a relationship expert, and I would
Speaker 1: like to know you briefly touched on that you have
Speaker 1: a girlfriend. Are you guys? Oh you're so sorry? Now,
Speaker 1: how are you guys? Handling this. Are you used to
Speaker 1: it or are you guys seeing struggles that you've never
Speaker 1: experienced before? Um, like, how has this quarantine kind of
Speaker 1: changed that aspect for you? Basically, she wants to know
Speaker 1: what's going on your personal life. Yeah, thank you everything,
Speaker 1: and everyone meets the tips right now. Good thing. I'm
Speaker 1: sterile because of cancer, so we're not gonna have a baby.
Speaker 1: But you know, early on, so I met my wife
Speaker 1: right after my second well she was my girl from
Speaker 1: the time, but right after my second stem cell transplant,
Speaker 1: so I was incredibly uh weak, vulnerable. I was an
Speaker 1: emotional mess, you know, like I was war of the
Speaker 1: world's going on inside me. And so we went through
Speaker 1: a tough start of our relationship and we made a
Speaker 1: choice together to leave New York City moved to the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods in New Hampshire. Like I said,
Speaker 1: so I feel comfortable in isolation. I don't think I
Speaker 1: could do it with anyone other than my wife. But
Speaker 1: the fact that, uh, you know, we went through a
Speaker 1: tough time early on, and I was like I was
Speaker 1: a mess. I was doing some stupid that I was
Speaker 1: acting out in horrible ways and it wasn't healthy. But
Speaker 1: we had an open and honest conversation of what our
Speaker 1: relationship was and where we wanted to go with that.
Speaker 1: And I remember I was I was pushing her away
Speaker 1: because I'm like, you do not want to get involved
Speaker 1: with this, because one I didn't know if I'd be
Speaker 1: alive and five years, and I didn't want to bring
Speaker 1: I didn't have a job, like, I couldn't have kids,
Speaker 1: I didn't have money, Like, you don't want to be
Speaker 1: in a relationship with me. You do not want to
Speaker 1: take me home to your mom right now. But she
Speaker 1: looked at me, She's like, cancer has taken so much
Speaker 1: from you, do not let it take this too. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was at that moment I'm like, all right, I
Speaker 1: just I kind of snapped out of it. I got
Speaker 1: rid of everything that I wasn't supposed that I was
Speaker 1: doing that I shouldn't be doing, and I focused on
Speaker 1: my wife and our relationship. So when we moved to
Speaker 1: this out of the city here, we are in a
Speaker 1: pretty good place. Um, We're okay with being each other
Speaker 1: for extended period of times. We have a really open
Speaker 1: and honest conversation with our relationship, and she knows everything
Speaker 1: about me, good, bad, ugly, healthy, sick. So, um, we're
Speaker 1: doing all right right now? Good for you? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it brings a big smile to Tori. I
Speaker 1: love it. Question to So do you think Tori should
Speaker 1: make her bid because the small victory would help her
Speaker 1: right now? I think you need a small victory tory? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that damn bad. Sorry what about this question? So? What's
Speaker 1: it like being isolated when you're not in a relationship,
Speaker 1: you don't have a significant other? Like, is that is?
Speaker 1: How does that weigh on you? Like I can't meet
Speaker 1: somebody right now. I'm really looking forward to meeting somebody,
Speaker 1: but I just can't right now. Like how does that
Speaker 1: weigh on a person? Yeah? I am someone who always
Speaker 1: says that I am happy single, and I genuinely mean that. Um,
Speaker 1: but I have realized in this time that I do
Speaker 1: prioritize things. It's made me readjust how I prioritize things
Speaker 1: because I love to work. But now that that's kind
Speaker 1: of all I'm living for right now, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it is really important to separate that time and have
Speaker 1: that person in your life, Like that is an important
Speaker 1: aspect um. I don't think I'm necessarily lonely for like
Speaker 1: one human as I am more just to be with
Speaker 1: my friends again and live my life a little bit
Speaker 1: back normal. But I will say it has maybe right
Speaker 1: now so sorry, yeah even really needed youreaking hearts all
Speaker 1: over the world. Yeah, but yeah, so I think for
Speaker 1: me it's been just reevaluating this time and saying that
Speaker 1: I do need to be putting myself out there more
Speaker 1: for when we are in this time, I'm not thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, what could have been or what I don't know?
Speaker 1: Am I making sense? Yeah? Yeah, I mean are you
Speaker 1: not you? But I feel and I obviously I'm not
Speaker 1: like single and in the dating world, but in a
Speaker 1: weird way, I feel like the dating world is like
Speaker 1: it's like a warp speed these days with Tinder and
Speaker 1: people just meeting and all this stuff. I almost feel
Speaker 1: the according process within a relationship might have been eliminated
Speaker 1: with all like you know, technology and social media and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like there's a false sense of intimacy
Speaker 1: with people when you if you text someone for seven
Speaker 1: days straight a thousand texts, you kind of feel like
Speaker 1: you know them, but you only know them for seven days. Um,
Speaker 1: so then when you meet them in person, things that
Speaker 1: move a little quicker, especially in like you know, younger
Speaker 1: teenagers and uh college kids. So in my mind, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking this could be interesting for the whole really getting
Speaker 1: to know someone without physically intimate um, And I think
Speaker 1: that's could be a blessing. You know, there's this reality show.
Speaker 1: I think it's love It. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: They talked between a wall, right, so they really need
Speaker 1: to work on the relationship, learn about each other, and
Speaker 1: then become friends and then something more intimate could happen
Speaker 1: after that. But I think that could be a silver
Speaker 1: lining amongst all this stuff. I could be wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Is there like big big frustration Tori that
Speaker 1: like because maybe for some of our listeners that really
Speaker 1: are at a good place in their life that we're
Speaker 1: really looking forward to and the chance to meet somebody, Um,
Speaker 1: is there frustration that that's kind of been like taken
Speaker 1: away from you? Well, I guess more so where I'm
Speaker 1: coming from. As I was talking to someone um this
Speaker 1: past like a few months, uh we longer, probably last
Speaker 1: since last August, and then it's kind of trailed off
Speaker 1: just because my juniorary in February were really big, heavy
Speaker 1: work wise, so I kind of put that on the
Speaker 1: back burner. And now that I'm in this place where
Speaker 1: I like, all I want to do is just talk
Speaker 1: to someone, that person is not there, and I should
Speaker 1: have prioritized that better in the sense of being like, okay,
Speaker 1: like communicate more of Hey, I'm working and I'm really busy,
Speaker 1: but that does not mean I'm neglecting you because now
Speaker 1: we're not really talking and it's totally fine. Things happen.
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like evaluating that in this time
Speaker 1: of being like ah, being still and this time has
Speaker 1: made me evaluate to put more of an effort of
Speaker 1: communication in my relationships. Oh well, said Toriz. It goes
Speaker 1: to like one of the next things, um Ethan in
Speaker 1: your isolation survival guy, being present. Yes, we talked about that.
Speaker 1: I think that's so important. That's something I've been focusing
Speaker 1: more on. I've been focusing on when I do a task,
Speaker 1: just do that task. Or when I'm like here, I'm
Speaker 1: in my house in Idaho, my like I was by myself.
Speaker 1: I don't have the TV on when I eat a meal,
Speaker 1: you know, so because I want to be present and
Speaker 1: eat this meal and enjoy this meal versus like eating
Speaker 1: and watching and being half in something. So something I've
Speaker 1: been working on a lot is being present. Can you
Speaker 1: speak more to that? Sure, you know, I'm wonderful that
Speaker 1: you're focusing on that, but you know, we live in
Speaker 1: a state of constant distraction, you know, and hyper stimulation,
Speaker 1: and because of that, you know, we're all over so
Speaker 1: over stimulized. We're a little desensitized to the world around us.
Speaker 1: And like, being present literally just means kind of paying attention.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times, you know, we
Speaker 1: get stuck focusing on the past, which is something you
Speaker 1: can't change. You can change the relationship with the past,
Speaker 1: but you can't necessarily change what's happened. And then we
Speaker 1: look into the future and obviously we know you can't
Speaker 1: predict the future. Um, you can have set an intention
Speaker 1: for the future and hope something happens, but you have
Speaker 1: no control of what's going to happen in the future.
Speaker 1: So what that leaves is now the current situation of
Speaker 1: what's going on right now and what happens is we've
Speaker 1: spent so much time focusing on the class in the future,
Speaker 1: we miss what's going on right now. And when someone's
Speaker 1: like life just passed me by, well, that's when you
Speaker 1: aren't focusing on being present, So like not being present
Speaker 1: is really easy, don't you agree? Like not being present
Speaker 1: is easy? Like right now we're talking to each other,
Speaker 1: but Tori, I don't know where your hands are. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're texting or what's going on or
Speaker 1: what you know. Like, but if you said, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna sit here and listen to this dude right now,
Speaker 1: you know that's being present. Um. So when I was,
Speaker 1: you know, going through cancer, even on a TV show survivor,
Speaker 1: if I got obsessed with what's happening before or what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, I just miss what's going on right now.
Speaker 1: And it's been really helpful for me, especially in these
Speaker 1: times of uncertainty too. In order to get to the
Speaker 1: next day, I just focused on today for this minute.
Speaker 1: And when I was sick, it got down to like
Speaker 1: minute by minute by minute, like if I can just
Speaker 1: get you this minute, I'll be okay. If I can
Speaker 1: get through this hour, okay, four hours, and then you
Speaker 1: build on that and I could uh start being present,
Speaker 1: and uh it enabled me to make clearer decisions in
Speaker 1: my life. Sorry, by the way, we'll give you a
Speaker 1: pass because I know you just sent the guy a text.
Speaker 1: Were inspiring change here, guys trying to got it? Got
Speaker 1: it number the greatest thing. Danielle and Amy would just
Speaker 1: absolutely love it. That would be the greatest thing. Ever,
Speaker 1: how about this one, Ethan, one of your other things.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious because I get this in my inbox
Speaker 1: every week. Uh cb D company reaching out to me.
Speaker 1: In the sports world, it's become UM very much a thing,
Speaker 1: especially in the CrossFit world. Athletes are taking it um
Speaker 1: for recovery. People say they sleep better with it. Cannabis
Speaker 1: and c b D um you have. Your nature is
Speaker 1: the world's pharmacy. Can you speak to that a little
Speaker 1: bit and just enlighten myself and our listeners on how
Speaker 1: it impacted your life. Sure, I'm curious about it about it,
Speaker 1: but I'm also shy about it. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know enough about it. I was in the same boat,
Speaker 1: completely shy. And there's a lot of stigma associated with cannabis,
Speaker 1: with CBD, especially in athletics. You know, I grew up
Speaker 1: a competitive soccer player. I stayed away from the stuff.
Speaker 1: I never tried it. I mean, second semester my senior
Speaker 1: college I tried it once. Just to say it is
Speaker 1: something crazy, you know. But I was hoping to go
Speaker 1: on to play after college, and so I never really
Speaker 1: got into it except when I got sick with cancer,
Speaker 1: and so I obviously had friends that were participating, and
Speaker 1: I read stories about it helps people with cancer. So
Speaker 1: and I was crupped. I was taking a lot of
Speaker 1: prescription pills that were prescribed like anxiety pills, nog to pills,
Speaker 1: sleep pills, pain pills, mood pills, and then in the
Speaker 1: mornings that was just to get tonight. Then in the
Speaker 1: morning they have to pop in oud all just to
Speaker 1: get enough energy to hit the doctor's right. So it
Speaker 1: was this vicious cycle. So I was just looking for alternatives.
Speaker 1: And you know, cannabis is the plant um, so I
Speaker 1: thought that would be a good solution. However, I was
Speaker 1: like going to the streets of New York City to
Speaker 1: get my product because no doctor would prescribed to me
Speaker 1: at the time, and mask gloves bald with chemo talking
Speaker 1: to a drug deal that was selling coke and ecstasy
Speaker 1: and we too, and I just like it just added
Speaker 1: a lot of stress on top of what I was
Speaker 1: already going through. And it wasn't it wasn't a good experience.
Speaker 1: So then when things came around and started to get
Speaker 1: a little bit more medically legal, recreational legal and Canada,
Speaker 1: you know countrywide now it's pretty exciting to see. UM.
Speaker 1: Then I just kind of became an advocate for it
Speaker 1: to you know, um, to help jucate out there's on
Speaker 1: safe ways to ingest it and use it, especially if
Speaker 1: you're going through cancer and then post cancer. That's when
Speaker 1: the CBD really came into play for me because I
Speaker 1: mentioned the anxiety I was facing and not being able
Speaker 1: to get through those what if scenarios, and I started
Speaker 1: taking CBD every day like a multi vitamin, as a tincture.
Speaker 1: I don't smoke anything. I put it underneath my tongue. UM.
Speaker 1: And for me that just it got rid of like
Speaker 1: the clutter in my head, maybe take a like able
Speaker 1: to take a deep breath, and I was able to
Speaker 1: focus on some other things when before I was just
Speaker 1: focusing on like destructive thoughts in my own head. Um.
Speaker 1: And just there are a lot of beneficial properties that
Speaker 1: you can read about. I don't want to get on
Speaker 1: my soapbox, but it's helped me a lot. Um. I
Speaker 1: it's from the earth on help me so much that I,
Speaker 1: you know, invested in a hemp farm in Vermont so
Speaker 1: because I wanted to know what I'm putting inside my body.
Speaker 1: So I moved out there. I planted, I harvested, I processed,
Speaker 1: I bottled, I did everything from seed to sale, because
Speaker 1: if I was going to put this jump inside my body,
Speaker 1: I wanted to know what was happening. Right, Coach, and
Speaker 1: he's Happy Mountain. It's a farm. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys are late night infomercial watchers, but this guy
Speaker 1: by the name of Anthony Sullivan, he's the oxy clean guy.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'my Sullivan and this is oxy clean. So
Speaker 1: his daughter was having some genetic disorders or hazargenic disorder
Speaker 1: and had horrible epileptic seizures. So he started giving her
Speaker 1: CBD and it changed her life, changed his life. And
Speaker 1: I'm buddies with him, and he told me he's going
Speaker 1: to buy this farm to grow the stuff to put
Speaker 1: it in his daughter's body. And I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: in on that, because if you're willing to do that
Speaker 1: for your daughter, then I want the same stuff that
Speaker 1: I can use as well, and just a good experience. Right.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And then the last one that you have.
Speaker 1: I've been dying to get to this one because I'm
Speaker 1: such a fan of this and UM and the the
Speaker 1: way it really positively impacts a person's life is laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have, like it's such a beautiful word. Um, you
Speaker 1: have laughter on here as the last one of your
Speaker 1: isolation survival guide tactics. Um. Everybody loves to laugh. I
Speaker 1: know listeners, everybody, He's like, yeah, obviously laughing, But speak
Speaker 1: truly to the importance of laughter, especially during crisis. If
Speaker 1: you definitely you know, I mean, I don't need to
Speaker 1: tell everyone what it means to laugh. However, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a neurotic Jewish guy that likes to be playfully
Speaker 1: negative about, you know, big situation, so I always kind
Speaker 1: of took a comedic outlook to, you know, things that
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the greatest things in life. And I found
Speaker 1: that was a really good way for me to just
Speaker 1: find a common ground amongst people to talk about serious
Speaker 1: subjects like I'm going through cancer. I could be dying here,
Speaker 1: but if we could laugh about it and we can
Speaker 1: poke fun at ourselves, and it really just lightens the mood.
Speaker 1: It obviously creates these, Uh, probably some scientific effect in
Speaker 1: your body. I don't know the answer for that, but
Speaker 1: it just makes you feel better. It lightens the mood,
Speaker 1: and there's been There's nothing more important for me than
Speaker 1: to laugh with my friends, watch a movie, hang out
Speaker 1: with my my family, and just tell old stories of
Speaker 1: what you know, life was like when we were young
Speaker 1: and laughing. So for me, it's a huge part of
Speaker 1: what I do. Read books, dirty joke books that would
Speaker 1: get all the time because they just make me laugh,
Speaker 1: stupid stuff just because it's It makes you focus away
Speaker 1: from what's really going on, and for me it was
Speaker 1: really healing. You know. I even did one of those
Speaker 1: um I went to Bali when I was sick. After
Speaker 1: I sick, I went to Bali and I did some
Speaker 1: really crazy um past life regression. I had some like
Speaker 1: women spit on me in the basement. I was eating
Speaker 1: crazy foods. I went to a healer. But one of
Speaker 1: them what they did, the laughing yoga. I don't if
Speaker 1: anyone's done laughing yoga, but I've done something like it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's weird and I'm sounding hippie dippy.
Speaker 1: That's not my normal like path in life. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to try everything. Why not, Like, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to figure out something to help me heal. And
Speaker 1: you sit in a room and you you force yourself
Speaker 1: to laugh. You feel ridiculous that you're looking around and
Speaker 1: everyone because you're just forcing yourself to laugh. But in
Speaker 1: the end, it's just like this release and you're you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, that was okay, and you're happy you got
Speaker 1: You know, you're faking it till you make it. You're
Speaker 1: smile and laugh. It was a neat experience. I highly
Speaker 1: suggest everyone to put yourself in that uncomfortable situation so
Speaker 1: you're forced to grow as you respond to this new
Speaker 1: challenge of laughing. Dude, I've done it. I know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I've done it. And it's like, it's
Speaker 1: exactly what you say. You fake it to you to
Speaker 1: make it. You're like, what the hell am I like?
Speaker 1: Gavin's looking at us like we got three heads. He's
Speaker 1: like it is uh. Sometimes you just gotta say what
Speaker 1: the hell? You know, like whatever for the next half hour,
Speaker 1: me just try this. Who the hell knows what comes
Speaker 1: from it but a surrender to the process and maybe
Speaker 1: I hate it, but maybe I get something out of it.
Speaker 1: But um, but I love like laughter is so important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your perspective on laughter and how has that helped you? Like, uh,
Speaker 1: when I think about laughter, gap remember when we went
Speaker 1: to Tori. Remember when we went to Pebble Beach. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, two months ago, we went
Speaker 1: to Pebble Beach and we were there for maybe seventy
Speaker 1: two hours and we left. We recorded two or three
Speaker 1: shows there and we when we were all leaving, we're like,
Speaker 1: we I don't know if we've laughed that hard in
Speaker 1: like years, like all week long or all weekend long.
Speaker 1: We just laughed, man, and it was just it was
Speaker 1: so healing and it was it's also so it kind
Speaker 1: of it just takes the pressure off life. You know,
Speaker 1: you kind of just your shoulders softened. You kind of
Speaker 1: just chill. You know, you see people more clearly, You
Speaker 1: see the beauty in people. You're not as nervous about yourself.
Speaker 1: For Like, laughter is such a medicine too. And I
Speaker 1: also think I also think like at this time, we
Speaker 1: have to practice the things that we're fighting for that
Speaker 1: we want in our life moving forward. And we've talked
Speaker 1: about it on this show, like and I've talked about
Speaker 1: it with friends. I'm like, now is not the time
Speaker 1: to stop dreaming or stop laughing or stop crating, you know,
Speaker 1: like like otherwise, what are we fighting for? Why do
Speaker 1: we want to heal this and overcome this virus? To then?
Speaker 1: Like those are the things that we're fighting for, you know,
Speaker 1: And and laughter is one of them, in music is
Speaker 1: one of them. I've also I've also read an amazing
Speaker 1: article on how early explorers, the first people to visit
Speaker 1: Antarctic I think was nineteen thirteen, nineteen ten or nineteen thirteen,
Speaker 1: and they documented how they dealt with the isolation and
Speaker 1: laughter and music we're two of the things. And then
Speaker 1: cooking was another one because they just had the same
Speaker 1: kind of canned food. They would try and find a
Speaker 1: way to make it differently, which is a form of
Speaker 1: art itself or creativity as you said, your isolation. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was it was laughter, and it was music,
Speaker 1: and it was some sort of creativity and they did
Speaker 1: it with food. And so laughter, man, laughter just heals
Speaker 1: my soul. It inspires me. It's why I love doing
Speaker 1: the show with Gavin. That's why I love Tor and
Speaker 1: aman is because we have so much fun. Like one
Speaker 1: I want to do something that serves and impacts our community.
Speaker 1: But too I come because it's so much fun to
Speaker 1: do these shows. You know right now, guys, I hope
Speaker 1: you know that I'm laughing. I'm smiling. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: the obvious question is what do you make a laughing weed?
Speaker 1: Who do I make a laughing weed? I think a
Speaker 1: lot of them have that in it, um, but there
Speaker 1: are some that um eve voke a more euphoric laughter
Speaker 1: in them. Yes. I don't have a name of them,
Speaker 1: but I think maybe we should uh talk about it offline.
Speaker 1: We can start growing right now what I'm talking about, Ethan.
Speaker 1: If you have one, send the something. I want to
Speaker 1: see our producer Amy. I have whatever you need, but
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, um, you can add that part out.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for you. Like look, Ethan, you you
Speaker 1: see everything behind me. This is exactly UM. Thank you
Speaker 1: for your time, buddy. I want to also bring bring
Speaker 1: um allow you to talk about and bring some awareness
Speaker 1: uh to grassroots soccer. Can you I love that mission
Speaker 1: that you started after you one survivor. Can you tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about what grassroots soccer is and
Speaker 1: your mission with that? Sure before surviving the TV show.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I played in Africa and our closest
Speaker 1: friends got sick with AIDS, UM and so you know
Speaker 1: grassroots soccer, you know, we basically the concept is we
Speaker 1: trained professional soccer players, professional coaches, and peer leaders in
Speaker 1: the community with a curricular we developed on HIV and
Speaker 1: AIDS and adolescent health, and then we send them into
Speaker 1: the classroom to deliver these health interventions or the soccer
Speaker 1: fields of the churches. And you know, what we found
Speaker 1: is that it's not only the mess and the message
Speaker 1: that we're delivering, it's the messenger the people that are
Speaker 1: actually delivering this important information. And we found that you know,
Speaker 1: role models helped change the behaviors among boys and girls.
Speaker 1: And so that that's the basic concept is we have
Speaker 1: a bunch of really fun game based activities that help
Speaker 1: disseminate information about making smart choices in life. And that's
Speaker 1: you know, sex education, how HIV and age has spread,
Speaker 1: female empowerment, female reproductive health. Um, you know, whole the
Speaker 1: whole list of things that we do and um yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been really successful. Pretty excited about it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: my passion in life. It's good for you. Um, I
Speaker 1: have two more questions. I want to ask you, how
Speaker 1: is Survivor, like, just give us the low down and
Speaker 1: what it's like truthfully being on the show. It is
Speaker 1: I think the one of the most amazing games in
Speaker 1: the world. And it is a game because it's something
Speaker 1: that really touches on every single part of you as
Speaker 1: a human being, mental, physical, social, spiritual, environmental, financial. And
Speaker 1: here's a game where you're put in a situation where
Speaker 1: you got to make friends with these people, but friendships
Speaker 1: based on trust and you can't trust anyone. And then
Speaker 1: the way the game works is every person you vote off,
Speaker 1: they're the ones that come back and they decide if
Speaker 1: they want to vote for you to win the grand
Speaker 1: prize of a million bucks. So, like you don't you
Speaker 1: only not only have to play this game, you have
Speaker 1: to play so where you vote them off in such
Speaker 1: a way that they like you enough or respect you
Speaker 1: enough that when they come back they want you to
Speaker 1: a wit And so it's just a really stressful, fun,
Speaker 1: exciting game. Um and it's something that like you know,
Speaker 1: as an athlete, I just thrived off those pressure situations
Speaker 1: and it's just something I love and uh I played
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one in Africa, and I played
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four which was the All Stars
Speaker 1: and now I'm playing again now which is season forty
Speaker 1: w war UM where they asked back twenty the most
Speaker 1: popular winners of all time to compete again, not for one,
Speaker 1: but for two million dollars um. So if you guys
Speaker 1: ever want to are you guys Canadian citizens? Are you
Speaker 1: American citizens? Us? US? Alright, well you can play if
Speaker 1: you want. I can get you on the show Man. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you want to lose two million dollars? Sure?
Speaker 1: What was your first what? What What toy or treat What
Speaker 1: did you treat yourself with after you won the million dollars?
Speaker 1: What was your like? Oh, I want to get well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not gonna be as because I bought
Speaker 1: both my brother's cars. I took my mom aland vacation.
Speaker 1: But for me, my it was it's gonna sound weird.
Speaker 1: It was those bows noise reduction headphone, noise canceling headphones.
Speaker 1: So you can hear get draw more clearing. I wish
Speaker 1: I had them on now just wait till our duet
Speaker 1: comes out. I don't you really want to catch my voice?
Speaker 1: Crisp and clear tried to sing in public myself. Oh god, no,
Speaker 1: I love singing, man. I've told Gavin this, Like, if
Speaker 1: I could magically acquire I have such a I have
Speaker 1: such a respect for artists, people that can play instruments,
Speaker 1: but singing, like and dancing and like, I have such
Speaker 1: respect for it. If there's one skill in the world
Speaker 1: that I could magically acquire, it would probably be to
Speaker 1: be able to sing like Sam. I love watching Gap
Speaker 1: perform um. You know, just yeah, I just have I'm
Speaker 1: a thank you the art. You have a children's book, man,
Speaker 1: you also have a children's book, Soccer World South Africa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I have it right around here too. It's
Speaker 1: uh about kid to get high? What is that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so here's the book right here. But yeah, I wrote
Speaker 1: three of the Actually, this is what I did when
Speaker 1: I was in isolation. This is my creative outlet. So
Speaker 1: I wrote three books. Um, Soccer World South Africa, so
Speaker 1: grow Up Mexico and Soccer World Spain. And uh that's
Speaker 1: kind of what kept me busy. Right in these books
Speaker 1: their activity books for kids, Um, see the world through soccer,
Speaker 1: because that's what I did when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So in a time of isolation, your isolation
Speaker 1: survival guy. One of it was creativity. You wrote a
Speaker 1: children's book in this soccer world South Africa, became the
Speaker 1: number one children's book on Amazon dot I did for
Speaker 1: a short time. Like that's yeah, incredible, Like it goes
Speaker 1: back to what you're referencing early even earlier, like everything
Speaker 1: is an opportunity, you know, for those that see it
Speaker 1: like this time, like everything is an opportunity. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what is birth or being
Speaker 1: birthed at this moment in time. What's going to come
Speaker 1: out in six months or in a year, you know,
Speaker 1: like a lot of coronial babies to coronial that I
Speaker 1: also want to make, not like yeah, it's it's creative
Speaker 1: and everyone is like, um almost like rushing to be
Speaker 1: productive and rushing to do something incredible during this time
Speaker 1: of prices, which I which I applaud and I think
Speaker 1: it's great, but there's also something to be said. It's
Speaker 1: okay to just survive something and get through it. That's
Speaker 1: okay too, you know. And I feel that because of
Speaker 1: the way the world's working and the interconnected if it's everyone,
Speaker 1: everyone feels this pressure to be productive and take a
Speaker 1: class online and learn and skill. And I'm saying the
Speaker 1: same thing to you. I've done it over the past hour.
Speaker 1: But it's also okay to just survive and get through
Speaker 1: this that you know, Um, So don't have this guilt
Speaker 1: of you're not doing enough or or you're being unproductive
Speaker 1: or enevery like the skills that I was telling you about.
Speaker 1: Those are skills that I used to help me get
Speaker 1: through that and it worked out well for me. But
Speaker 1: I would have been okay just if I got through
Speaker 1: and stayed alive and did nothing. You know, that's okay too.
Speaker 1: You need to take care of yourself and what makes
Speaker 1: sense for yourself as well. Awesome, brother, man, I love
Speaker 1: your mission dude. Um for our listeners who want to
Speaker 1: follow more, you get more of what you're doing. Where
Speaker 1: can they find you? Where do you hang out most
Speaker 1: on social Where can they find you the most? Hang
Speaker 1: out most on Instagram? At Ethan's On. I got a website,
Speaker 1: Ethan's on dot com and uh yeah, you can always visit.
Speaker 1: If you want to explore the CBD world, you can
Speaker 1: visit monkush dot com and uh, I got a fifty
Speaker 1: off code if I'm allowed to say it's Survivor fifty
Speaker 1: type that in uh, anything you want. Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me nuity man, especially in this time. Um, dude,
Speaker 1: you're amazing. I'm rooting for you. I hope Gavin gets
Speaker 1: on on Winners of War. I'd love to see you
Speaker 1: and Gav go head to head on Season Fortius Survivor
Speaker 1: Winners at War. Um, but here's another one of my
Speaker 1: last question, So how do you play that game? Like
Speaker 1: the word that came to mind because you you need
Speaker 1: to kick these people off, but then have them vote
Speaker 1: for you. The word that came to mind for me
Speaker 1: was like integrity. If you're a human of integrity, like,
Speaker 1: they'll see that in you and they'll want to vote
Speaker 1: for you. What how do you play that game that
Speaker 1: locked that subtle dance between kicking somebody off but also
Speaker 1: having them want to side with you. We're not going
Speaker 1: to share it because you're competing for another It's not
Speaker 1: even filmed, so we're okay with that. But what as
Speaker 1: you said, integrity? Like the word integrity, it stems from integral,
Speaker 1: and integral means like bringing things together in a positive way.
Speaker 1: The opposite of integrity is disintegrity like disintegrate so when
Speaker 1: things fall apart. So yes, I made myself a crucial
Speaker 1: member of the community out there, crucial to everyone else's survival.
Speaker 1: So without me, they would have struggled even more. First
Speaker 1: one up in the morning, last to go to bed,
Speaker 1: got the food, got the water, supported after a win,
Speaker 1: console them after a loss. And I ended up kind
Speaker 1: of positioning myself like the assistant coach out there. Everyone
Speaker 1: hates the head coach, everyone loves the assistant right. The
Speaker 1: head coach complained to me about everyone else, all the
Speaker 1: players who could plain to me about the head coach,
Speaker 1: and I just filter that information and spit it out
Speaker 1: how I wanted it to to get me ahead in
Speaker 1: the game. And we're so, what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: now that they know that your strategy, I have to
Speaker 1: align with you and we're gonna blindside them. And then
Speaker 1: you know that's what we're gonna do. There is what
Speaker 1: percentage of it is you being able to work your
Speaker 1: political angle essentially, you're your human angle versus your the
Speaker 1: physical versus political essentially, What which is the percentage of
Speaker 1: which I know the way the game is played now
Speaker 1: it's more of a strategic mental game. Your physical prowess
Speaker 1: doesn't matter as much as it once did way back
Speaker 1: in the day, where um so, the game's kind of
Speaker 1: shifted a little bit, where like you can't necessarily be
Speaker 1: too strong anymore. Before being strong and winning challenges was
Speaker 1: an asset. Now it's looked like a negative thing because
Speaker 1: people like, why why does it look like a negative thing?
Speaker 1: People got soft, right, that's what's going on. People got
Speaker 1: a little soft, people got way too soft. Way now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they give them a ruining the game. Yes see, we
Speaker 1: need you out there. You're old ruin the game. That's right.
Speaker 1: They got to put the competition back in competition? Agree?
Speaker 1: When does it When does Winners at War air? So
Speaker 1: it's air ring currently? Uh? Where it's on Wednesday nights,
Speaker 1: CBS eight pm. I think we're in episode nine or
Speaker 1: ten right now. There's thirteen episodes. Um So, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: my CBS all access passed. You can go binge watch
Speaker 1: me for the past year. Last last question for everybody,
Speaker 1: and then we'll let you go because there's been a
Speaker 1: long one. What's everybody binge watching right now? Whether am I? Well,
Speaker 1: we are binge watching. We did Ozarks, we did the
Speaker 1: Tiger King. Um I do. I happen to watch some
Speaker 1: of the like Project Runway type shows and Top Chef
Speaker 1: that you know. That's that's where I watched. Okay, Kevin,
Speaker 1: you're like this. There's a new form of The Bachelor
Speaker 1: Bachelor that basically they take two single people and then
Speaker 1: they make them sing songs together and hopefully they yeah, um, yeah, heart,
Speaker 1: listen to your heart, that your heart. Yes, yeah, I watched,
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I gotta I got a I got a
Speaker 1: phone call for for that. I'll get you on that one.
Speaker 1: To be really, I'll get you on it. Did you
Speaker 1: really get I'm not up to snuff for something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't think, not right now, not right now. I
Speaker 1: don't think looking for love and singing to duet together
Speaker 1: is what? What what? It's not my version of a
Speaker 1: love story, I think, although I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 1: Do you find if you are have a singing partner
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of a connection or intimacy
Speaker 1: where you could fall in love easier or it's just
Speaker 1: it's singing. Is one thing loves another thing and they
Speaker 1: don't mix? Um, well, it could be. I mean, it
Speaker 1: could be a chemical thing there. But I think in
Speaker 1: the age of COVID, you wouldn't be able to sing
Speaker 1: to each other anymore because you'd be thinking, I think
Speaker 1: I got some of that in my eyes just now,
Speaker 1: and uh, maybe we should be doing that. I feel
Speaker 1: an infection coming on. It doesn't sound good to singing
Speaker 1: a mask, does it, No, man, Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for taking the time. UM. Gonna tune in and watch
Speaker 1: how Winter at Wars finishes off. UM, And anyway, we
Speaker 1: would love to have you back on the show. Anyway
Speaker 1: we can support your mission, my friend, please reach out. UM.
Speaker 1: Best of luck to you, Thank you for serving our
Speaker 1: community and just appreciate your time. Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you guys for having Thank you. Until
Speaker 1: next week, take care of one another, love one another,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you back here for another episode of
Speaker 1: How Many Things See