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Speaker 1: This is How Men Think? With Brooks and and I

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Speaker 1: heard radio podcast. Welcome to another episode of How Men Think.

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Speaker 1: My name is Brooks. Like and with me, we have

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Speaker 1: Mr Gavin DeGraw. What's up? I'm doing good? But I

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Speaker 1: miss your face? Yeah, man, bro, I mean I can

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Speaker 1: see your face as we're doing this over zoom, but

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Speaker 1: I missing you in real life in the flesh. Man. Um,

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Speaker 1: But how are you doing? You? Look? I mean what

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at here for those of you that are

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Speaker 1: listening is Gavin in a nice flannel shirt, a nice

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Speaker 1: almost English hat um sleeve, very English, dark black T shirt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Amy would have a massive crush on you

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Speaker 1: right now. And you're in a You're in a fancy

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Speaker 1: looking studio. Where are you, buddy? I'm just in my

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Speaker 1: one of my rooms at the piano room at the house.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, can you give me a fancy can you

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Speaker 1: do me a favor? Yeah? I really want to learn

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Speaker 1: to play I used to play piano growing out. My

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Speaker 1: mom maybe play piano when I was six, seven and eight,

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Speaker 1: or I couldn't play hockey. And I want to learn

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Speaker 1: the song sound of Silence on piano? Can you play it? Hello?

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Speaker 1: Dark man? Smile friends. Yeah, it's just I can learn it. Um.

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Speaker 1: A great song, man, a great song. I've been listening

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Speaker 1: to the Piano Guys. Have you heard of the Piano Guys? No,

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Speaker 1: the Piano Guys and the Brooklyn duo there. Uh they're

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Speaker 1: a piano mixed with a cello, and I just I

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Speaker 1: have that look on kinda sometimes in the evening for

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Speaker 1: like a year or so. My buddy Matt Hewitt got

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Speaker 1: me onto them. And I just heard sound of Silence

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Speaker 1: on piano the other day and I'm like, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: such a beautiful song. It is. That is actually amazing song.

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Speaker 1: Paul Simon is is at the top of the top

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Speaker 1: of the mountain as far as talent goes, songwriting talent goes.

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Speaker 1: He's a he's a out as good as it's going

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Speaker 1: to get. How would you rank your song your pianist skills?

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Speaker 1: And I said pianist your piano skills when I put

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Speaker 1: them at the bottom of the mountain, really at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the map. Is it easy for you to

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Speaker 1: learn a new song? Like if I said, let's learn

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Speaker 1: this song, could you learn it pretty quick? It depends

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Speaker 1: on the song. Um, it really depends on the songs.

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Speaker 1: How familiar I am with the song, UM and the

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Speaker 1: difficulty level. I guess the way to cheat is to

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Speaker 1: just slow it way down. I just play it as

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Speaker 1: slow as possible, you know. But that's how you practice anything,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, everything is slow, so you always start slow.

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Speaker 1: So well, I don't know, man, I'm the piano playing.

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Speaker 1: It's something that that I love to do. UM. But

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Speaker 1: it's also it was never the first thing that came

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Speaker 1: to me. Singing always came to me much much easier

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Speaker 1: than playing playing the instrument, the instruments of things that

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Speaker 1: I've always worked at. Have you been playing a lot

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Speaker 1: or writing a lot luring this time I've been writing. Um,

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Speaker 1: I've been writing quite a bit, mostly starts of songs,

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Speaker 1: you know. I begin a lot of music and UM.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's a really weird, uh time to be

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Speaker 1: trying to write songs, because when I'm writing, I almost

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Speaker 1: think that what I'm writing might not be important enough

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Speaker 1: if I'm not capturing the snapshot in time that we're

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Speaker 1: living in um or giving people some kind of hope

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Speaker 1: to get out of this time. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I don't really want to be reminded of this after this,

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Speaker 1: so that's the debate, you know, But do you want

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Speaker 1: to document this thing? How much do you want to

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Speaker 1: document this thing? Um? I have my own little debates,

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Speaker 1: my own little debates with it because I'm writing songs

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Speaker 1: that do kind of capture the moment. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, how much do I wan want to be

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Speaker 1: minded of this? Have you have you felt creative and

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Speaker 1: inspired during this time or have you felt like drained

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Speaker 1: and lethargic and like uninspired. I've had both those experiences, man.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the first couple of weeks, in particular,

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Speaker 1: I was just in strict prepper mode. Strict prepper mode,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like stock in

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Speaker 1: the closet with food and like outdoor gear, bugout gear,

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Speaker 1: rotting that line between should I work today or sleep today?

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Speaker 1: And what day is it? Did I walk the dog

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Speaker 1: yet today or was that yesterday? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Ground dog day? Oh man, I'm telling you, man, I

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Speaker 1: had this really terrible mustache up until about ten minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: I shaved it off for you. I didn't want to.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to upset anybody. Yeah, So that's that's it.

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Speaker 1: It's impressive when a man dresses up for a Zoom podcast.

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Speaker 1: You've got my boat tie, man, I forgot my boat's eye.

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Speaker 1: Must meet your board as hell, dude, so so utterly

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Speaker 1: board man. And uh yeah. Sometimes man, it's like if

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Speaker 1: I had a clock, i'd hear it kicking um, But

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Speaker 1: instead I just I can hear my dog licking his

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Speaker 1: body parts instead. That's the clock. It's just anywhere I go,

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Speaker 1: of the clock that doesn't really keep even time. Oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I miss buddy. I miss that guy. Um house Koda, Man,

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Speaker 1: how's your dog going? Koda is awesome? Man. I'm up

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Speaker 1: in Idaho. I'm at my host in Idaho. I spend

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Speaker 1: the whole day outside. I'm outside from like seven thirty

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Speaker 1: Property is pretty big here, and I've just been doing

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Speaker 1: a mass cleaning of it. Like, yah, good for you. Everything, move,

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Speaker 1: building some rock walls, chains on down, some trees, clear

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Speaker 1: and brush you need it. Not easy work, man, chains

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Speaker 1: work is not easy work. If you do it, you

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Speaker 1: and I've done a lot of You can copeck your

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Speaker 1: If there was a guy from my hometown who cut

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Speaker 1: had terrible chain to act. Yeah, dude. I had a

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Speaker 1: Like there's some big pine trees out here, and I

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Speaker 1: If a big windstorm comes in, it could blow it over.

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Speaker 1: And watching a guy watching the slogan guy go up

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Speaker 1: trim with the chainsaw hanging from his belt and climb

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Speaker 1: chunk it off and come down. Man, what an art. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: absolutely the hazard pay man. Yeah. But man, he's been

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Speaker 1: after moose. Yeah, he's finding some. He was munching on

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Speaker 1: he's got he's got to have wolf in him. There's

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Speaker 1: gotta be some sort of wolf in him, a wolf man. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been great. Um so yeah, that but the I'm

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Speaker 1: but don't see the much we're practicing social distancing. But

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Speaker 1: I've been good with the isolation, right. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: an introvert by nature. I love having my dog. If

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Speaker 1: it wasn't for my dog, I'd probably be a little

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Speaker 1: more aunty with the isolation. But how are you doing

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Speaker 1: in general with the isolation. I haven't been completely isolated,

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Speaker 1: I've been I'm still taking my dog out. I meanfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I'm in and out of his apartment. UM. So we're

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Speaker 1: But sometimes somebody just pops in the elevator and there

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Speaker 1: you go with your T shirt. Not that it's gonna

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Speaker 1: do anything, but you know, it's just an instinct, you

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Speaker 1: your T shirt. Um. But you know, but fundamentally, the

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Speaker 1: But you know it's it's just, uh, you're used. I'm

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Speaker 1: for people because I'm proud of it. You know, he

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Speaker 1: go play it for people? But what do you think?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you want? Yeah, exactly exactly. So so it's

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Speaker 1: you know. But but but it's interesting because you you

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Speaker 1: I really do love the alone time as well. But

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Speaker 1: So so I'm doing okay with it. I'm doing good

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Speaker 1: struggling with it. I'm the most extrovert possible. I don't

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Speaker 1: need any alone time like Brooks, Like I get that, Gavin,

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Speaker 1: today to get to tomorrow. Definitely, and lucky for me, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I got on an experimental new drug. Less

425
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: than two hundred people in the world were on this drug,

426
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: and I got on this drug. It got me into

427
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: remission as it well, it's gone a second stem cell transplant,

428
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Speaker 1: this time using my brother or Lee as the donor,

429
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: and now I'm seven years in remission. I'm doing okay,

430
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: and everything's fine for you, buddy, thank you. But when

431
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about this kind of what's happening in the

432
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: world today and this isolation after each transplant, I was

433
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Speaker 1: in isolation for about a hundred and twenty days. That's

434
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Speaker 1: where I got to the two sixty plus my three

435
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: times on Survivor and complete isolation as well. So I

436
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: think I have a little bit of experience surviving, you know,

437
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: moments like this, and for me, it was really a

438
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: big part of this was acceptance. You know. It was

439
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: the acceptance that the fact that I was in this

440
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: current situation, it's gonna be, it's happening to me. It's

441
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna last for a little bit, um, but there is

442
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: a beginning, there's a middle, and there's an end um.

443
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: And so for me to accept the fact that I

444
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: was sick and I was gonna be going through this,

445
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: I needed to get through that moment because then I

446
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: could start the next phase of my life was mapping

447
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: out how to stay alive. And people talk about what's

448
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: going on in the world today. You know, we're in

449
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: a pandemic. It's a global catastrophe. You know, the legacy

450
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: of where this pandemic is going to be with us

451
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: for for years. And like the first step to any

452
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: change you really can't control is acceptance and how you

453
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: guys feel about that. But with all this uncertainty in

454
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: the world, the uncertainty breeds anxiety, and anxiety causes us

455
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: to make some maybe destructive decisions. Right now, right yeah,

456
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Um. I think the people that

457
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: really struggle with it are the ones that haven't accepted

458
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: it that a life has changed, and it's changed for

459
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: a while here, Like there's discussions, Uh, it's April one

460
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: as we record this UM, there's discussions that it's going

461
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: to be beginning of June, possibly before before most of

462
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: the US is is opened up again. So we're looking

463
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: at still another seven weeks, you know. So if you

464
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: can't accept that you're fighting for something that has already

465
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: passed and that you can't possibly change, and that's debilitating.

466
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, and so the people

467
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: that have accepted it have found opportunity and have found

468
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: ways to thrive in this. Definitely kudos to you. I mean,

469
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: I think it's interest in to to acknowledge that even

470
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: when they do say okay, you know, the country's opened,

471
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: Canada's open, the world is open. Like it's not like

472
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: you just snap back into the life that once was.

473
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: Like I'll give it an example, just because we're talking

474
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: about cancer. But once they said okay, Ethan, you're in remission,

475
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: go home from the hospital. It wasn't like I could

476
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: just snap back into fitness. Like I was different. My

477
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: friends were different, the way interacted with the world is different.

478
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: I was still living in a lifestyle. So even after

479
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: it's okay, the world is going to be different and

480
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: the way we move as humans and interact as people

481
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: is going to be different. And so I think like

482
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: the denial of this acceptance. You know, you can only

483
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: reimagine yourself in a in a different reality if you

484
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: can accept what's going on right now. And I think

485
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: it's important to note. Can you talk a little bit

486
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: about you said twice you went into isolation for a

487
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty days? Um, can you talk about how

488
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: isolated you were, what was your atmosphere, you're scenario, where

489
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: were you staying at the time, what was your human contact? Like?

490
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Can you give us those kind of conditions, UM, so

491
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: we can have more of an understanding of what you've

492
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: went through. Sure. So the first part of the process

493
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: was the stem cell transplant. That's when I was in

494
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: like a hyper stero bubble inside the hospital for about

495
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: thirty five days. And that's when they kind of it's

496
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: like pressing reset on your on your body. You know,

497
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: they remove all the white blood cells, red blood cells, platelets,

498
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: They bring you down to zero, get you close to death.

499
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: Then they reinfuse you with healthy stem cells that were

500
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: supposed to kind of um, you know, into your bone

501
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: marrow and those reproduced as healthy stem cells to kind

502
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: of kill the cancers in your body. So after each

503
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: one of those, you're so immuno compromised that you really

504
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: can't be in crowded places. No public restaurants, no stadiums,

505
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: no subways, no taxis, no restaurants, no large groups. I'm

506
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: in a mask and a glove all times outside of

507
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: my own uh, outside of the hospital room. And then

508
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: when I got launched to go back into my home,

509
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: same situation, a little less intense, but no fresh vegetables

510
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: because they have germs. You know. Everyone had to wash

511
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: their hands and wear mask and gloves when they're coming

512
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: inside the house to visit with me. Cleaning is very stringent.

513
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: So it's just like a really and then once those

514
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: hundred days were open, and then it was years of

515
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: living a socially isolated life because I just couldn't be

516
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: in those situations. No travel, you know, none of that

517
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: again back into the stadiums. No stadiums, in large groups.

518
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: So it was just an interesting way to you had

519
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: to change your life style in a major way. Um,

520
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: and it took a little bit while to adapt to

521
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: that and accept that. And I feel I learned a

522
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Speaker 1: lot on how to survive these isolated situations in the

523
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: term of like how to structure day, how to work

524
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 1: out in small spaces. You know, how to communicate with

525
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: friends and family when you can't physically be in touch

526
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: with them. So all those skills I feel like learned

527
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: while I was going through this and can be applied

528
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: to what's going on today in today's world. So yeah,

529
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: let's let's keep going with that, because I wanted the

530
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Speaker 1: point of doing this. Podcasts try and serve our community,

531
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: serve our listeners. And you've developed through these two times,

532
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: You've developed what you call your isolation survival guy. So

533
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: for our listeners like one, I'm wondering during that time

534
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: because I think the first thing, the most important thing is,

535
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: is like you're a person's spirit and how how does that?

536
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: How are they doing psychologically, mentally and emostly? How are

537
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: you doing? How is your spirit? Um here I'm reading

538
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: about you said you never lose optimism, spirit or humor

539
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: despite extraordinary rigors and setbacks. So can you explain how

540
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: you did that and explain the importance of that, and

541
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: then we'll get into more of your isolation survival guy. Yeah,

542
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: how do I remain you know, positive in those moments? Yeah? Yeah.

543
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that I talked

544
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: about often, is I firmly believe that even in the

545
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: middle of my own nightmare, my own crisis, you know,

546
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: trying to help others in that moment really helped me

547
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: heal as a human being. And you know, I live

548
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: by the saying these days, you know, never let a

549
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: crisis go to waste, because it's an opportunity to do

550
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: some really important things and a cliche, but I I

551
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: it resonated with me, and so here I was, and

552
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, all of us here are in the public eye,

553
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: we know what that's like. So I really felt there

554
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: was an opportunity to share my story, to let people

555
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: know the details of my life because maybe that can

556
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 1: help them. And while I tried to rewrite my story

557
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: and survive in this situation, in that same moment, I

558
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: was helping others rewrite theirs. And so I found a

559
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: sense and purpose in my own crisis and sickness because

560
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: I knew that I was using that to help other

561
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: people get them diagnosed earlier, help them manage their cancer.

562
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: Care or give a speech or an interview or anything

563
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: that I could do in my power to share my

564
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: story to help other people. And for me, that kept

565
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: me a little bit uplifted and helped give a positive

566
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: environment and where I was, Yeah, I love that I have. Actually,

567
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: one of my best friends has out with depression and

568
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: anxiety for years, and he really has been motivated to

569
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: do something to serve with that because he's been through it.

570
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: He wants to serve and help others. He doesn't want

571
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: anybody to go through what he's gone through, and he's

572
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: learned some things that have helped him ease his depression

573
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: and anxiety. And I was talking to him, I was like,

574
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: the fact that you've been through this, that's your superpower.

575
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: You know. Like people people when they go through something,

576
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: they might feel it's a negative or or it's a

577
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: crisis or something. But that experience that you have of

578
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: going through something traumatic actually becomes a superpower when you

579
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: use it, when you use that uniqueness to serve others,

580
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: you know. And so I love that you did that

581
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: and that in turn served you. That brought you energy

582
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: and life and served you and help you get back

583
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: on your feet. So then you develop this isolation survival guide.

584
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: You need to teach My buddy gave there because he's

585
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of a city slicker this um, But can you

586
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: tell us more about the isolation Survival Guide and share

587
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: it with our so they can take some of this

588
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: and put it into action in their life. Sure, yeah,

589
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean this are these are you know, I'm not

590
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: gonna say this is scientifically proven information, but this is

591
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: literally the things that I did. You know, I kind

592
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: of looked back at my time going through cancer and

593
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: after cancer, my time on Survivor that the television show,

594
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: and just kind of kind of wrote down what I

595
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: felt was the most helpful skills that I used in

596
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: isolation to get me through the dark moments. And those

597
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: are you know, a couple of things I just spoke about. Acceptance, um,

598
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, service over self, you know, helping others in

599
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: the middle of your own crisis. You know, one of

600
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: the things that was really helpful for me is, like

601
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned your buddy, who's got anxiety. When I the

602
00:32:54,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: second time after cancer, I struggled significantly with anxiety and

603
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: just the fear of relapse, the uncertainty, the invisible scars

604
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: that needed healing. It's just and I what happened was

605
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: I got just totally obsessed with these what if scenarios,

606
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: like what if the cancer comes back? What if I die?

607
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: What if I can't have kids? What if I can't

608
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: get married, but if I can't find a job, like

609
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: and then I just started ruminating all the on these

610
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: horrible what if scenarios. My entire day was taken up

611
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: with processing situations that may or may not happen in

612
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: my life, and I was just stuck. Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so what I've a skill that you know, especially now

614
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Speaker 1: with people like we don't know how long this thing's

615
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: gonna last. Like you, it's very difficult to plan your

616
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: life when you don't know how long this pandemic is

617
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: gonna laugh, or what the ripple effect is going to be.

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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, in a world where as

619
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Speaker 1: humans we like to control things. We got the Netflix,

620
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: your deliveries, your schools are in the schedule, you got

621
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Speaker 1: your yoga in structure, everything structured and planned, and now

622
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: it's not right, and so all this kind of uncertainty

623
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Speaker 1: breathe anxiety, and so you get I started ruminating on

624
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: these what if scenarios. So basically what I learned to

625
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: do is I basically would take a what if scenario

626
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: and let's role play here, what if I get the virus?

627
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: The horrible situation. Let your mind go there, like go

628
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: deep into like what would happen if I got the virus.

629
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Speaker 1: It's a little bit scary, and if you go too deep,

630
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, snap yourself out of it. But once you

631
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: go there and you let yourself uh kind of understand

632
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: what that would be like, the next step would be

633
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: to take a piece of paper. I wrote down the

634
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: what if scenario, and then I literally mapped out a

635
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Speaker 1: plan of exactly what I would do if that would

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00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: if scenario happened. So I'd have to go to the

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Speaker 1: doctor and get tested. I'd have to isolate from my wife.

638
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: I would call my mom, X, Y, and Z. And

639
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, next time I started ruminating

640
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: on that scary thought, I said, I already wrote it down.

641
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: I know exactly what I'm gonna do. I planned it out,

642
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: refer to this thing, and then I can move on

643
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: with my day and I could let it go and

644
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: sometimes reference this two, three, four, or five six times

645
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: a day. I have boxes full of like post it

646
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: notes in what if scenarios that I'm like looking through

647
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: and that's scary situations in my life. But for me,

648
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: it really helped to out the plan of action. And

649
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: that's really just what you're doing. And that got out

650
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: of the anxiety and unt of the out of those

651
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: loops in my head. So bringing a voice to it,

652
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: and I voice he wrote it on paper, but bringing

653
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: a voice to it sort of lessened the fear of

654
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: this thing that was in your mind on like psychologically

655
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: weighing on you and causing you anxiety and consuming you

656
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: almost to a debility, tobilitating point exactly. You know, okay,

657
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: you could go out, you know, you could go out

658
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: tomorrow get hit by a car. But if you spent

659
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: every second of every day thinking about the idea that

660
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: you might get hit by a car, you missed the

661
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: whole day. And I was just sick of losing days.

662
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: And that's and I just I couldn't do deal with

663
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: it anymore. And uh, emotionally it was affecting me as

664
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: have an issues with my friends and family, my wife,

665
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: and I just had to get out of it. And

666
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: that's one of the skills that I did to get

667
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: out of those situations. Wow, Okay, great. So what if

668
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: plan out your It's almost like an escape plan. Yeah it. Um,

669
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: you've talked about service over self. Um, focusing on the

670
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: plate of others helps you heal. So, UM, what ways

671
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: do you think people could do that now? What? What

672
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: ways were you able to do it when you were

673
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: self isolating in your recovery from the cancer treatments? What

674
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: ways do you think people can do that now if

675
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: they're struggling to find service for others in their life

676
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: right now? I mean, the first and easiest thing to

677
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: do is like stay at home, you know, if stay

678
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: isolated in the sense that I mean when I was sick.

679
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, I see these empty streets, these closed stores,

680
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: the school's not in session, and I'm like, this to

681
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: me is beautiful. This is an act of love. This

682
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: is the world coming together to protect the vulnar old

683
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: people and the health workers. Like so for me, I

684
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: see that as a blessing. I would have loved to

685
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: have no one on the streets when I was sick

686
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: and be able to walk and function without the fear

687
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: of getting sick. But so that's a really simple thing

688
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: to do and stay home. But you don't have to

689
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: do something huge en have to start a charity. You

690
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything grant, but it could be

691
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: something as simple as you know, calling your grandmother. It

692
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: could be sewing masks. It should be helping someone else

693
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: in a time of need. Like nothing creates comfort and

694
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: confidence more than knowing you're not facing the life challenge alone.

695
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: And I think one interesting thing about what's going on

696
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: now versus cancer. When you go through cancer, it's a

697
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: really individual thing. No one will know what that experience

698
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: is like unless you go through it, and it's different

699
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: for each person. Right now, we're all going through the

700
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: same thing at the same exact time. So when you

701
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: feel alone, devastatingly alone, you can reach out to someone

702
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: that's going through the same thing and you can connect

703
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: and you can talk kind of help each other through

704
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: these tough moments. And so service overself or being part

705
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 1: of the community, those two things kind of go hand

706
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: in hand. And um, you know those are some some ideas.

707
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: Call a friend, drop off balloons at a hospital, send

708
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: food to some people, make some masks. They're stony, wonderful

709
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: and incredible things that people can do it right now

710
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: to make a valuable contribution to the community. You know

711
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: what I've been doing tell me, not saving, not shaving,

712
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: but then also filming myself doing my favorite Gavin Degrass songs.

713
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: I've been, I've been songs and sending them to Gavin.

714
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you share an example with me right now, please.

715
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: I sang one of his songs one time on our show,

716
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: is like our fourth or fifth show, and he didn't

717
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: even know what it was. I was like, that bad.

718
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: You don't even recognize your own song? It was that bad? Ah? Um,

719
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: what else I love that I love? Like Gah was

720
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: taking care of his dad out here where I'm at

721
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: my lake house and idah here, I have a couple

722
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: of neighbors that are in their seventies that I've been

723
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: getting stuff from Costco from or for them and stuff

724
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: like that. And it does, man, It's so true. It

725
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: brings you life just simple, and it could be so small.

726
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: It can be something very small, but it is so

727
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: rewarding to help somebody, um, especially at any time, but

728
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: especially in a time when they need it, when you

729
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: can actually see that, like, yeah, I can't imagine what

730
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: it's like right now, Like your dad has some underlying

731
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: health issues and being able to take care of your

732
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: dad like it's got to be just a a joy.

733
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of scary, but it's got to

734
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: be also just you know, it is it's an honor,

735
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: but it's also you know, it's funny because my dad's

736
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: seventy one, he's you know, he had he had heart

737
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: surgery and had some strokes and stuff like that. But

738
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: even with all this stuff going on right now, um,

739
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: even even with the things that are going on right

740
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: right now with him, um, he wants to get out

741
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: into the world, you know what I mean. And you know,

742
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, granted, he knows that there's that there's you know,

743
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: health risk, but part of my father's perspective is that

744
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: this isn't really living. There's a big debate, there's protests

745
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: about that right now. Yeah, and and and and for

746
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: good reason, because you know a lot of people who

747
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: are who are older, they want to be able to

748
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: go see their friends, see their family, hangout, get back

749
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: to their life too. And you know, if you do

750
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: have underlying health risks, there's also no there's no guarantee

751
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: you're not going to get the flu, there's no guarantee

752
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a heart attack, and in

753
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: that time, where you were told to stay home. That

754
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: was time that you could have been out kind of

755
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: enjoying whatever time you have to go hang with your

756
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: friends or your family or do these things that you love.

757
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: Because I know we're all trying to make plans to predict, um,

758
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: not predict, but to avoid certain health problems. But you

759
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: can make all the plans you want and still suffer

760
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: those same problems or some other problems in the interim

761
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: and feel like, well, damn, that was like I could

762
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: have had a good month at least, you know. Um. So,

763
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: so there there is a debate about that stuff. And

764
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: I do actually agree with with what Ethan said. I

765
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: do think and and and also your same Brooks in

766
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: that it is an act of love on behalf of

767
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: people who are healthy to stay and they're trying to

768
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: do what they can't write. We're all trying to do

769
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: what we can um at the same time. At the

770
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: same time, what will be what will the long term,

771
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: potentially long term effects of this short term procedure that

772
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: we're that we're committing ourselves to. What will those effects be?

773
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: Because I continue to tell you very quite candidly, on

774
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: an ecademic economic level, at poor countries are less safe,

775
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: so on every level. So what you know, if we

776
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: are to destroy our economy in the process of avoiding

777
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: what what is happening or minimizing the the the immediate

778
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: health health crisis, we may we may I'm not saying

779
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: we will, but depending on how much long of this

780
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: keeps up, we may create a much larger health crisis

781
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: based on an economy that's tanked and and something there.

782
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: You're then balancing whatever virus comes next year because we're broke,

783
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: And what are you gonna do next year? So? Um,

784
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, and when you do this every are you

785
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: going to do this every year? You know? Where people

786
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: get wiped out every year? I mean, at the end

787
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: of the day, there really is only so much money.

788
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: That's the fact, and and and and and even guys

789
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: like me and guys like you can run out of

790
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: money if the economy is whacked out enough. Um. And

791
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: that's and and and and and that's people who have

792
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: done very well for themselves. What about what what about

793
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: the people? And I'll tell you there's probably not a

794
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: not a hotel or a restaurant in the whole country

795
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't employ X con Right, So when you close

796
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: every restaurant and every hotel down, all these guys who

797
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: just got out of jail, who've been out of jail,

798
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: trying to get their lives together. You shut the door

799
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: on them or in the living you think, you think

800
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who just got out of prison,

801
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: got a pantry full of stocks food just in case

802
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: they lose their job and saving it for a rainy day.

803
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: They're already, they are already trying to to just survive

804
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: day to day. You just shut We just shut the

805
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: doors on all of their their way of well being.

806
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: We're saying we're saving some people, but what are we

807
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: doing to those guys too? I mean there to leave

808
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: a lot of Devil's advocate advocacy I could I could

809
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: throw at this this combo and they're all important. They're

810
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: all important. Um you know, so what kind of maybe

811
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: crimes might somebody commit to? Go? Well, I'm at of food.

812
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: I tried to go on the straight and narrow. Now

813
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have anything to eat for the

814
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: next Who knows when I don't have a government check

815
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: coming in because I'm making a living, And when when

816
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: does that come through for a guy like that? And

817
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Well, somebody's gonna be breaking into somebody's home,

818
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: so or somebody's business. You know. We got robbed twice

819
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: in the first week of this shutdown, you know. Yeah,

820
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, so well we got broken into two times

821
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: within you know, within like three days, you know. So,

822
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: so that's just the what's what what can happen or

823
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: what is happening? And that's just only one little window

824
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: into in my life, you know, um and And And

825
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: there's much people, way worse off than me. Um And

826
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: So that's what I really worry about is is that

827
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: next phase. I think that's the thing that's really worrying me,

828
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: is if we don't get people to start getting back

829
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: to some form of of of work and regularity and

830
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: get the economy moving, I think that the virus will

831
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: be the least of our problems. I really do, um

832
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: and And I don't want to find out what that is.

833
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: I feel like we're poking out of bear right now.

834
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Was a monologue right there? Go? Sorry man, No, no,

835
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: because I think it's totally valid what both of you

836
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: guys are saying. I really think it's it's all really

837
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: valuable because is this other unknown. You know, there's already

838
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: drugs that work. There's already drugs that are working on

839
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: with people who have the coronavirus. And you know, and

840
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, we're being told the much to act like

841
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: those things don't exist, but they already do. They're they're

842
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: already operating at like efficacy in the nineties percentile or

843
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: even higher. So you know, we're acting like the like

844
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: they don't. Not we are. It's not that we are,

845
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: but some people are. And I'm like, well, there there

846
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: is a solution for this stuff. Sure, we are protecting

847
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: the first responders, agreed um, and the people who are vulnerable,

848
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: agreed um. But we really need do need this plan

849
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: to get things up and running, because this is just

850
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: so unnatural. It truly is so unnatural, you know, and

851
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: it's it's scary in that regard. Yeah, not to be

852
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: able to go to a concert ever again, can't go

853
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: to a basketball game ever again, to watch a high

854
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: school basketball game. I mean, it's like, you know what

855
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like I can't go to a literal

856
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: league game, sit on the bleachers, you know what I mean.

857
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Was struggling with acceptance, yeah, a little bit, a little bit, Yeah, No,

858
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm not struggling with acceptance. I'm cool with it. In fact,

859
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm almost a little too cool with it because I'm

860
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: a gambler at life. So you know, I I believe

861
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: in and and lots of different levels of Darwinism. A

862
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: lot of people don't believe in it to the same

863
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: degree that I that I do, but I am a humanitarian.

864
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: I only say this because there's ways to help people

865
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: who do get sick. We have, you know, it's not

866
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: like there is no version of getting better. That's my point.

867
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: And um, I'm not saying let the week fall by

868
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: the wayside. That's not what I'm saying either. There are

869
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: treatments already. So um, I'm saying we need to get

870
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: our ass moving on getting the economy up and running

871
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: because this virus will kill less people than they broke.

872
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Gas economy where people are starving or desperate desperation is scary. Okay,

873
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: before we get there, though, we want to help people

874
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: that are like we're gonna be in this for a while.

875
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: So back to the isolation survival guide. Um, the next

876
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: one you have, Ethan is check it off the list?

877
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: Are you a list? Guy? Like? It says, make a

878
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: list check it off, UM tell us about how that

879
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: can help people while they're isolated. Now, yeah, I'm a

880
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: list guy, and I wasn't always a list guy. But

881
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: when you're locked in a you know, one room for

882
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: extended period of time or my six forty square foot

883
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: apartment and you can't leave for months, you gotta figure

884
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: out how you can be you know, I just felt

885
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: very unproductive, and I had imagined some folks today might

886
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: be feeling a little just blah unproductive. Maybe you got

887
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: an extra committing to work anymore, you got an extra

888
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: two hours to do stuff, and you just you know,

889
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: might not be able to structure a day. And for me,

890
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: when I was down and out, like the thought of

891
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: all the things I wanted to accomplish the ship, necessarially

892
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: wasn't able to um, you know, working out and uh,

893
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, calling my friends and doing all enormous it

894
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: was overwhelming, and I didn't necessarily want to sit down

895
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: and work out for an hour. So I would split

896
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: that up into like, you know, six five minute sessions

897
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: along the lines. But basically what I do is I

898
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: wake up in the day and I literally it kind

899
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: of goes back a little bit to this what if scenario.

900
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: But I map out a plan for my day and

901
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: it seems pretty commonplace, but I would literally map it

902
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: out by the minute, you know, wake up through my

903
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: emails and you do ten minutes of body weight exercises,

904
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: call my mom, check it with my girlfriend. Everything you

905
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: would do and then it might see and I check

906
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: it off as I went along. But the beauty of

907
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: this situation was at the end of the day, I

908
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: would look back and I could see every single thing

909
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: that I did, and it just had that It gave

910
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: you this me, either whether it was real or false,

911
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: sense of productivity, and it really helped me feel like

912
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: I was doing something during a really sick, boring, bad day.

913
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: And you know it comes from I think my time

914
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: being an athlete. You know, I always I always felt that,

915
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, after you know, a yoga session or visualization

916
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: training or meditation or like a massage or like the

917
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: things that I was doing to help my body, mind

918
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: and spirit be in line with each other during my

919
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: athletic career. I brought that into my isolation career, into

920
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: my survival career because when the body, mind and spirit

921
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: are working in harmony, you know, I was a much

922
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: better athletes, So okay, maybe I can take that into

923
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: what I'm going through now. And I really brought all

924
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: that so I did. I worked out my physical, mental,

925
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: and spiritual fitness PrePost and during cancer, and I still

926
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: take care of myself in that way today. And part

927
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: of that was mapping out my days like Okay, i'll

928
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: meditate for five minutes, like I'll work out for five minutes,

929
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I'll do emails, i'll read the paper, all that stuff,

930
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: and it really helped me structure the day. I agree

931
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: with that. Even I'm a list guy too. I wouldn't

932
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: say I'm a huge list guy, but I agree with

933
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: everything you said. And the reason I agree with that

934
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: is and something I encourage people a lot is small victories. Yes, yes, yeah,

935
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: small big three success breeds success. And a couple of

936
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: shows that when we had a former Navy seal on

937
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: how men think with us, and he said, we're trying

938
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: to we're trying to get we're talking. The conversation was

939
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: about getting certainty or control back in an uncertain scenario,

940
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: and who better than a Navy seal to speak on it.

941
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: And he said the first thing that they're taught is

942
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: take action in any uncertain scenario. Whatever it is, take action.

943
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: You just have to. And so in this one it

944
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: could be making your bed, could be like you're taking

945
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: Actually if you write that down on a list, make

946
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: my bed, and you get to check that off. Um,

947
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: it's a super small victory, but it's a small victory,

948
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: and then maybe it's the next one. Maybe it's the

949
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: next one, and then all of a sudden, that snowball

950
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: starts building and people look back and they've been productive.

951
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: As you say, you have an internal reward because you've achieved,

952
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: you've been successful at things, and that then starts to

953
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: steamroll and build up. So I agree with you. All

954
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: small victories can lead to UM lead to a massive

955
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: amount of momentum. And the other point I absolutely agree

956
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: with you on UM. I'm a big advocate on it.

957
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Gavin is too. But the being physical, working out, having exercise,

958
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: moving your body, I think in this time, especially when

959
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: we're most people are very stagnant UM, it's essential to

960
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: have some sort of homework out UM in a small

961
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: space can be like you said, can only be thirty minutes,

962
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: but something to get your system going. Can you talk

963
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: about why that was so important for you when you

964
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: were in isolation. Yeah, and um, it was so important

965
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: for me because you know, I grew up as an athlete,

966
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: so I almost based my my whole identity was wrapped

967
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: around fitness. You know. I'm sure you're you're aware of that.

968
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: So like when you go through a health challenge and

969
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: that's taken away from you, you know, I felt I

970
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: had no control, so uncertainty. So the way I was

971
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: able to kind of map myself and make myself feel

972
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: like I was up to stuff was working out. And

973
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, really there's a lot of research showing now

974
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: that some of the medicines I was using during chemo

975
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 1: really um helps when you are physically active, and someone

976
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: who's physically active going through cancer you're more likely to

977
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: survive and to stay on your medical treatment plan. Now

978
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: doctors are starting to prescribe exercise in conjunction with everything else,

979
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: which is really exciting to see. Right, Um, it was

980
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: just really important to me. And you mentioned like if

981
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to work out for thirty minutes, like

982
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: it's overwhelming, Um, you know, I'd break that up into

983
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: multiple workouts throughout the day. And you know you were

984
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: mentioned about taking action. There's one of my favorite quotes

985
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: is to do nothing is also to act, so act

986
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: firmly and making things happen and don't just let them

987
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: happen to yourself. So, you know, are working out, it

988
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: boost your endorphins, there's a you know, obviously it's good

989
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: physical fitness, it's good for anyone. It's uh, you know,

990
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: trying through over history, um, and that there's no difference here.

991
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: And it just took my mind out of the reality

992
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: of what was going on in my current situation. It

993
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: was just a cathartic distraction of the fact that I

994
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: has gone through this horrible situation, and that really helped

995
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: me remain present at that moment. I also find myself

996
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: in like I'm in my best state after I work

997
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: during working out, and after working out. After I'm I

998
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: worked out, I'm my most creative or even during it,

999
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: like I have a huge whiteboard in my gym, and

1000
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: when I'm working out in my oh wow, like just

1001
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: downloads and ideas and concepts come to me while I'm

1002
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: in the while I'm not even focusing on that. Um,

1003
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: just because I'm active, my energy system is alive. UM.

1004
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I find I'm grateful self after like I'm my gratitude

1005
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: is an immense and through the roof after I've worked

1006
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: out my most creative self. Um, I'm a huge advocate

1007
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: Gavan's this. I'm a huge advocate of of wellness and

1008
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: health and fitness and how moving your body, um just

1009
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: elevates the quality of your life. So a grou with

1010
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: you completely on that, Yeah, movement makes it makes me

1011
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: feel alive. Like when I'm able to work out, I

1012
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: feel like I'm alive. I'm a living human being that

1013
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: was at that time. Um, it makes you feel creative.

1014
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: That's another one of the things that my God is

1015
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: being creative. And you know, you know, working out you

1016
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: know spark some you know, new thoughts in your mind.

1017
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: You know the same with me as well. That's a

1018
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: place where I think and create. But if that's not

1019
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: your method of creativity, I encourage everyone to try to

1020
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: find something a little bit creative in your life. Learn

1021
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: a new skill, because you know these it's a way

1022
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: to spark the brain in a way it might not be.

1023
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: You know, working Um it once you can distract you

1024
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: from maybe what's going on right now, and you don't

1025
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: have to go out and like learn some crazy you know,

1026
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: be a famous artist or learn to play guitar and

1027
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: being a band. But but are you know, play hockey

1028
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: like these but still just to be creative, sparking mind

1029
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: in a different way. Like when I was going through cancer,

1030
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: you know I would. I did like music therapy, I

1031
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: did art therapy. You know are saying it out a

1032
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: freaking drum to Bob Marley. And I was made a

1033
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: popsicle stick bird feeder, which like all my receipts are

1034
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: in right now, I don't use it. But the fact

1035
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: that I was doing it, trying to do something creative,

1036
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: just it helped me spark my mind. And it's there's

1037
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: a definite connection between the arts and healing. And if

1038
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: you look what's going on right now, we're turning to

1039
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: the arts, the musicians, the actors, the actress is the

1040
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: artists in these times of crisis, everyone's putting stuff online,

1041
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: free concerts, comedians. That's what the world's gravitating towards. These

1042
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: fringe industries and subject matters that are being like cut

1043
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: from schools, pe and music and art classes. That's what

1044
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: the world is turning to right now in times of crisis.

1045
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: So if that's not a perfect example for the work

1046
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: that you do, buddy, like keep doing it, like we

1047
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: need people like this in the world because it brings happiness, fativity.

1048
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree at your point, do you think

1049
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: do you think it's time we should release our duet?

1050
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. I just we need

1051
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: to we need to fight over who's gonna wear the skirt.

1052
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: I think she both wear the skirt. I've been, He've been.

1053
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: We've been doing this show for I don't know about

1054
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: a year, and I've been begging Gavin for a year.

1055
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: I heard it. I'm a witness. I heard it here first.

1056
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: That's a bad idea, not if you're in skirts. That

1057
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: is a good idea you have here on One of

1058
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: your other um isolation survival guide tactics is to share

1059
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: and connect with others. So what ways did you find

1060
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: were most effective when you were in isolation and even

1061
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: now in this what ways do you find that are

1062
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: most effective to share and connect with others you know?

1063
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: And Gavin, you talked a little bit about taking care

1064
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: your dad and caregiving is a big part of this,

1065
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: and part of that for me is the connecting with others.

1066
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting where you know. Often if you're

1067
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: taking care of someone. The thoughts and feelings that someone

1068
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: going through crisis is having are the same as the

1069
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: ones going you know, taking care of them, if that

1070
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: makes sense. So like heaviness, sadness, anxiety, fear, happiness, Like

1071
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: my whole family was feeling that, and I was feeling

1072
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: that we just never talked about it and so and

1073
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: then the happening is we kind of just there was

1074
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: this divide. So like, I'm a huge fan of being

1075
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: open and honest with those around you, erasing all the

1076
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: kind of you know, toxic relationships in your life because

1077
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: someone who's going through crisis, you're laser focused on keeping yourself, um,

1078
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, alive. And so those people who are caregiving

1079
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: often times, you know, your personal feelings and emotions towards

1080
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: the person who's sick gets in the way of your

1081
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: making decision. And like, fear is something that we can't avoid,

1082
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: um And if you let fear dictate your choice, you

1083
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: are powerless. So it's until you harness that fear and

1084
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: use that as a positive to give you strength to

1085
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: go out and do something as an individual or as

1086
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: a community, that's when something change happens. So when I'm

1087
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: connecting with other people like like goes back to like

1088
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: when you're not alone going through a challenge, it's it's

1089
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: so comfortable, so comforting, it's I don't know if anyone

1090
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: can understand that, but so I would literally I would.

1091
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: I would text people, I would call people. We would

1092
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: have little um uh conference focus groups. We'd sit around

1093
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: and just talk about stuff. Men's groups. I was part

1094
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: of a bunch of different men's group. I did these

1095
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: things called First Ascent was an outdoor adventure camp for

1096
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: young adult cancer survivors. We went whitewater rafting and kayaking

1097
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: and rock climbing with other people who have gone through

1098
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: a similar situation, and we could talk and cry and laugh,

1099
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: which for dude, me, like, I don't know, Like I

1100
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: had trouble with that stuff, to be honest, Like I'm

1101
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: not the best communicator in the world, and I want

1102
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: to do everything myself. And it wasn't until I actually

1103
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: got a little bit vulnerable and asked other people to

1104
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: help me that things that, like the doors opened up

1105
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: for me and a lot of my recovery was a

1106
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: lot smoother, to be honest. Yeah, you know, you know

1107
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: what's funny is I was on the phone last night

1108
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: with a buddy of mine and I patched in, uh knows,

1109
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: two nights ago, I patched in my brother And it

1110
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: was funny just paying attention to even just phone call wise,

1111
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: the difference in the energy level when you get three

1112
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: people talking versus just you know, two people talking, you

1113
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it added so much having

1114
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: a third person on the phone call, because you know,

1115
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: it just it just flowed. It was there was the

1116
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: dead spots weren't there. It was always somebody had something

1117
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: to chime in, you know what I mean. And I

1118
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: thought I hadn't. I hadn't had a three way phone call,

1119
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, for during the quarantine until until that I

1120
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: was got we we should do this again, you know

1121
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, uh, it's funny how just adding

1122
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: another personality, another personality. So this is good. This is good.

1123
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: This is helpful for me. I like hearing the back

1124
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: and forth. Tory. You have a question. Um, okay, So

1125
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: I have a question because we had Dr viv on

1126
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: last week and she's a relationship expert, and I would

1127
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: like to know you briefly touched on that you have

1128
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: a girlfriend. Are you guys? Oh you're so sorry? Now,

1129
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: how are you guys? Handling this. Are you used to

1130
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: it or are you guys seeing struggles that you've never

1131
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: experienced before? Um, like, how has this quarantine kind of

1132
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: changed that aspect for you? Basically, she wants to know

1133
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: what's going on your personal life. Yeah, thank you everything,

1134
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: and everyone meets the tips right now. Good thing. I'm

1135
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: sterile because of cancer, so we're not gonna have a baby.

1136
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: But you know, early on, so I met my wife

1137
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: right after my second well she was my girl from

1138
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: the time, but right after my second stem cell transplant,

1139
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: so I was incredibly uh weak, vulnerable. I was an

1140
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: emotional mess, you know, like I was war of the

1141
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: world's going on inside me. And so we went through

1142
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: a tough start of our relationship and we made a

1143
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: choice together to leave New York City moved to the

1144
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: middle of the woods in New Hampshire. Like I said,

1145
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: so I feel comfortable in isolation. I don't think I

1146
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: could do it with anyone other than my wife. But

1147
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: the fact that, uh, you know, we went through a

1148
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: tough time early on, and I was like I was

1149
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: a mess. I was doing some stupid that I was

1150
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: acting out in horrible ways and it wasn't healthy. But

1151
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: we had an open and honest conversation of what our

1152
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: relationship was and where we wanted to go with that.

1153
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: And I remember I was I was pushing her away

1154
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: because I'm like, you do not want to get involved

1155
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: with this, because one I didn't know if I'd be

1156
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: alive and five years, and I didn't want to bring

1157
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have a job, like, I couldn't have kids,

1158
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have money, Like, you don't want to be

1159
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: in a relationship with me. You do not want to

1160
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: take me home to your mom right now. But she

1161
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: looked at me, She's like, cancer has taken so much

1162
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: from you, do not let it take this too. Wow. Yeah,

1163
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: it was at that moment I'm like, all right, I

1164
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: just I kind of snapped out of it. I got

1165
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: rid of everything that I wasn't supposed that I was

1166
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: doing that I shouldn't be doing, and I focused on

1167
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: my wife and our relationship. So when we moved to

1168
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: this out of the city here, we are in a

1169
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: pretty good place. Um, We're okay with being each other

1170
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: for extended period of times. We have a really open

1171
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: and honest conversation with our relationship, and she knows everything

1172
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: about me, good, bad, ugly, healthy, sick. So, um, we're

1173
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: doing all right right now? Good for you? Thank you?

1174
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it brings a big smile to Tori. I

1175
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: love it. Question to So do you think Tori should

1176
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: make her bid because the small victory would help her

1177
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: right now? I think you need a small victory tory? Yeah,

1178
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: that damn bad. Sorry what about this question? So? What's

1179
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: it like being isolated when you're not in a relationship,

1180
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: you don't have a significant other? Like, is that is?

1181
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: How does that weigh on you? Like I can't meet

1182
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: somebody right now. I'm really looking forward to meeting somebody,

1183
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: but I just can't right now. Like how does that

1184
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: weigh on a person? Yeah? I am someone who always

1185
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: says that I am happy single, and I genuinely mean that. Um,

1186
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: but I have realized in this time that I do

1187
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: prioritize things. It's made me readjust how I prioritize things

1188
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: because I love to work. But now that that's kind

1189
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: of all I'm living for right now, I'm like, oh,

1190
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: it is really important to separate that time and have

1191
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: that person in your life, Like that is an important

1192
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: aspect um. I don't think I'm necessarily lonely for like

1193
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: one human as I am more just to be with

1194
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: my friends again and live my life a little bit

1195
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: back normal. But I will say it has maybe right

1196
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: now so sorry, yeah even really needed youreaking hearts all

1197
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: over the world. Yeah, but yeah, so I think for

1198
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: me it's been just reevaluating this time and saying that

1199
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: I do need to be putting myself out there more

1200
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: for when we are in this time, I'm not thinking, oh,

1201
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, what could have been or what I don't know?

1202
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: Am I making sense? Yeah? Yeah, I mean are you

1203
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: not you? But I feel and I obviously I'm not

1204
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: like single and in the dating world, but in a

1205
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: weird way, I feel like the dating world is like

1206
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: it's like a warp speed these days with Tinder and

1207
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: people just meeting and all this stuff. I almost feel

1208
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: the according process within a relationship might have been eliminated

1209
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: with all like you know, technology and social media and

1210
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like there's a false sense of intimacy

1211
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: with people when you if you text someone for seven

1212
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: days straight a thousand texts, you kind of feel like

1213
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: you know them, but you only know them for seven days. Um,

1214
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: so then when you meet them in person, things that

1215
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: move a little quicker, especially in like you know, younger

1216
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: teenagers and uh college kids. So in my mind, I'm

1217
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: thinking this could be interesting for the whole really getting

1218
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 1: to know someone without physically intimate um, And I think

1219
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: that's could be a blessing. You know, there's this reality show.

1220
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: I think it's love It. I don't know what it is.

1221
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: They talked between a wall, right, so they really need

1222
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: to work on the relationship, learn about each other, and

1223
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: then become friends and then something more intimate could happen

1224
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: after that. But I think that could be a silver

1225
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: lining amongst all this stuff. I could be wrong. I

1226
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: don't know. Is there like big big frustration Tori that

1227
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: like because maybe for some of our listeners that really

1228
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: are at a good place in their life that we're

1229
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: really looking forward to and the chance to meet somebody, Um,

1230
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: is there frustration that that's kind of been like taken

1231
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: away from you? Well, I guess more so where I'm

1232
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: coming from. As I was talking to someone um this

1233
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: past like a few months, uh we longer, probably last

1234
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: since last August, and then it's kind of trailed off

1235
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: just because my juniorary in February were really big, heavy

1236
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: work wise, so I kind of put that on the

1237
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: back burner. And now that I'm in this place where

1238
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: I like, all I want to do is just talk

1239
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: to someone, that person is not there, and I should

1240
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: have prioritized that better in the sense of being like, okay,

1241
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: like communicate more of Hey, I'm working and I'm really busy,

1242
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: but that does not mean I'm neglecting you because now

1243
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: we're not really talking and it's totally fine. Things happen.

1244
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like evaluating that in this time

1245
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: of being like ah, being still and this time has

1246
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: made me evaluate to put more of an effort of

1247
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: communication in my relationships. Oh well, said Toriz. It goes

1248
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: to like one of the next things, um Ethan in

1249
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: your isolation survival guy, being present. Yes, we talked about that.

1250
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: I think that's so important. That's something I've been focusing

1251
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: more on. I've been focusing on when I do a task,

1252
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: just do that task. Or when I'm like here, I'm

1253
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: in my house in Idaho, my like I was by myself.

1254
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: I don't have the TV on when I eat a meal,

1255
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, so because I want to be present and

1256
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: eat this meal and enjoy this meal versus like eating

1257
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: and watching and being half in something. So something I've

1258
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: been working on a lot is being present. Can you

1259
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: speak more to that? Sure, you know, I'm wonderful that

1260
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: you're focusing on that, but you know, we live in

1261
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: a state of constant distraction, you know, and hyper stimulation,

1262
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: and because of that, you know, we're all over so

1263
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: over stimulized. We're a little desensitized to the world around us.

1264
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: And like, being present literally just means kind of paying attention.

1265
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times, you know, we

1266
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: get stuck focusing on the past, which is something you

1267
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: can't change. You can change the relationship with the past,

1268
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: but you can't necessarily change what's happened. And then we

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: look into the future and obviously we know you can't

1270
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: predict the future. Um, you can have set an intention

1271
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: for the future and hope something happens, but you have

1272
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: no control of what's going to happen in the future.

1273
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: So what that leaves is now the current situation of

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01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: what's going on right now and what happens is we've

1275
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: spent so much time focusing on the class in the future,

1276
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 1: we miss what's going on right now. And when someone's

1277
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: like life just passed me by, well, that's when you

1278
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: aren't focusing on being present, So like not being present

1279
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: is really easy, don't you agree? Like not being present

1280
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: is easy? Like right now we're talking to each other,

1281
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: but Tori, I don't know where your hands are. I

1282
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: don't know if you're texting or what's going on or

1283
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: what you know. Like, but if you said, Okay, I'm

1284
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: just gonna sit here and listen to this dude right now,

1285
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: you know that's being present. Um. So when I was,

1286
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, going through cancer, even on a TV show survivor,

1287
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: if I got obsessed with what's happening before or what's

1288
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: gonna happen, I just miss what's going on right now.

1289
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: And it's been really helpful for me, especially in these

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: times of uncertainty too. In order to get to the

1291
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,799
Speaker 1: next day, I just focused on today for this minute.

1292
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: And when I was sick, it got down to like

1293
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: minute by minute by minute, like if I can just

1294
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: get you this minute, I'll be okay. If I can

1295
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: get through this hour, okay, four hours, and then you

1296
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: build on that and I could uh start being present,

1297
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: and uh it enabled me to make clearer decisions in

1298
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: my life. Sorry, by the way, we'll give you a

1299
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: pass because I know you just sent the guy a text.

1300
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: Were inspiring change here, guys trying to got it? Got

1301
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: it number the greatest thing. Danielle and Amy would just

1302
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: absolutely love it. That would be the greatest thing. Ever,

1303
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 1: how about this one, Ethan, one of your other things.

1304
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm really curious because I get this in my inbox

1305
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: every week. Uh cb D company reaching out to me.

1306
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: In the sports world, it's become UM very much a thing,

1307
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: especially in the CrossFit world. Athletes are taking it um

1308
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: for recovery. People say they sleep better with it. Cannabis

1309
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: and c b D um you have. Your nature is

1310
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: the world's pharmacy. Can you speak to that a little

1311
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: bit and just enlighten myself and our listeners on how

1312
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: it impacted your life. Sure, I'm curious about it about it,

1313
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: but I'm also shy about it. I'm like, I don't

1314
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: know enough about it. I was in the same boat,

1315
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: completely shy. And there's a lot of stigma associated with cannabis,

1316
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: with CBD, especially in athletics. You know, I grew up

1317
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: a competitive soccer player. I stayed away from the stuff.

1318
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: I never tried it. I mean, second semester my senior

1319
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: college I tried it once. Just to say it is

1320
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: something crazy, you know. But I was hoping to go

1321
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: on to play after college, and so I never really

1322
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: got into it except when I got sick with cancer,

1323
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: and so I obviously had friends that were participating, and

1324
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: I read stories about it helps people with cancer. So

1325
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: and I was crupped. I was taking a lot of

1326
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: prescription pills that were prescribed like anxiety pills, nog to pills,

1327
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: sleep pills, pain pills, mood pills, and then in the

1328
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: mornings that was just to get tonight. Then in the

1329
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: morning they have to pop in oud all just to

1330
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: get enough energy to hit the doctor's right. So it

1331
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: was this vicious cycle. So I was just looking for alternatives.

1332
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: And you know, cannabis is the plant um, so I

1333
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: thought that would be a good solution. However, I was

1334
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: like going to the streets of New York City to

1335
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: get my product because no doctor would prescribed to me

1336
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: at the time, and mask gloves bald with chemo talking

1337
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: to a drug deal that was selling coke and ecstasy

1338
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: and we too, and I just like it just added

1339
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot of stress on top of what I was

1340
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: already going through. And it wasn't it wasn't a good experience.

1341
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: So then when things came around and started to get

1342
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: a little bit more medically legal, recreational legal and Canada,

1343
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 1: you know countrywide now it's pretty exciting to see. UM.

1344
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: Then I just kind of became an advocate for it

1345
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: to you know, um, to help jucate out there's on

1346
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 1: safe ways to ingest it and use it, especially if

1347
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: you're going through cancer and then post cancer. That's when

1348
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: the CBD really came into play for me because I

1349
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: mentioned the anxiety I was facing and not being able

1350
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: to get through those what if scenarios, and I started

1351
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,799
Speaker 1: taking CBD every day like a multi vitamin, as a tincture.

1352
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't smoke anything. I put it underneath my tongue. UM.

1353
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: And for me that just it got rid of like

1354
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: the clutter in my head, maybe take a like able

1355
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: to take a deep breath, and I was able to

1356
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: focus on some other things when before I was just

1357
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: focusing on like destructive thoughts in my own head. Um.

1358
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: And just there are a lot of beneficial properties that

1359
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: you can read about. I don't want to get on

1360
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: my soapbox, but it's helped me a lot. Um. I

1361
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: it's from the earth on help me so much that I,

1362
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, invested in a hemp farm in Vermont so

1363
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: because I wanted to know what I'm putting inside my body.

1364
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: So I moved out there. I planted, I harvested, I processed,

1365
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: I bottled, I did everything from seed to sale, because

1366
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: if I was going to put this jump inside my body,

1367
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to know what was happening. Right, Coach, and

1368
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: he's Happy Mountain. It's a farm. I don't know if

1369
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: you guys are late night infomercial watchers, but this guy

1370
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: by the name of Anthony Sullivan, he's the oxy clean guy.

1371
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I'my Sullivan and this is oxy clean. So

1372
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: his daughter was having some genetic disorders or hazargenic disorder

1373
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: and had horrible epileptic seizures. So he started giving her

1374
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: CBD and it changed her life, changed his life. And

1375
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm buddies with him, and he told me he's going

1376
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: to buy this farm to grow the stuff to put

1377
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: it in his daughter's body. And I'm like, I want

1378
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: in on that, because if you're willing to do that

1379
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: for your daughter, then I want the same stuff that

1380
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: I can use as well, and just a good experience. Right.

1381
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And then the last one that you have.

1382
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: I've been dying to get to this one because I'm

1383
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: such a fan of this and UM and the the

1384
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: way it really positively impacts a person's life is laugh. Yeah,

1385
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: you have, like it's such a beautiful word. Um, you

1386
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: have laughter on here as the last one of your

1387
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: isolation survival guide tactics. Um. Everybody loves to laugh. I

1388
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 1: know listeners, everybody, He's like, yeah, obviously laughing, But speak

1389
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: truly to the importance of laughter, especially during crisis. If

1390
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: you definitely you know, I mean, I don't need to

1391
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: tell everyone what it means to laugh. However, you know,

1392
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,959
Speaker 1: I'm a neurotic Jewish guy that likes to be playfully

1393
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: negative about, you know, big situation, so I always kind

1394
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: of took a comedic outlook to, you know, things that

1395
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the greatest things in life. And I found

1396
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: that was a really good way for me to just

1397
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: find a common ground amongst people to talk about serious

1398
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: subjects like I'm going through cancer. I could be dying here,

1399
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: but if we could laugh about it and we can

1400
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: poke fun at ourselves, and it really just lightens the mood.

1401
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: It obviously creates these, Uh, probably some scientific effect in

1402
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: your body. I don't know the answer for that, but

1403
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: it just makes you feel better. It lightens the mood,

1404
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: and there's been There's nothing more important for me than

1405
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 1: to laugh with my friends, watch a movie, hang out

1406
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: with my my family, and just tell old stories of

1407
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: what you know, life was like when we were young

1408
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: and laughing. So for me, it's a huge part of

1409
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: what I do. Read books, dirty joke books that would

1410
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: get all the time because they just make me laugh,

1411
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: stupid stuff just because it's It makes you focus away

1412
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: from what's really going on, and for me it was

1413
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 1: really healing. You know. I even did one of those

1414
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: um I went to Bali when I was sick. After

1415
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: I sick, I went to Bali and I did some

1416
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: really crazy um past life regression. I had some like

1417
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: women spit on me in the basement. I was eating

1418
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: crazy foods. I went to a healer. But one of

1419
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: them what they did, the laughing yoga. I don't if

1420
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: anyone's done laughing yoga, but I've done something like it.

1421
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's weird and I'm sounding hippie dippy.

1422
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: That's not my normal like path in life. But I

1423
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: wanted to try everything. Why not, Like, you know, I

1424
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: want to figure out something to help me heal. And

1425
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: you sit in a room and you you force yourself

1426
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: to laugh. You feel ridiculous that you're looking around and

1427
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: everyone because you're just forcing yourself to laugh. But in

1428
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: the end, it's just like this release and you're you're like,

1429
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: all right, that was okay, and you're happy you got

1430
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: You know, you're faking it till you make it. You're

1431
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: smile and laugh. It was a neat experience. I highly

1432
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: suggest everyone to put yourself in that uncomfortable situation so

1433
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: you're forced to grow as you respond to this new

1434
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: challenge of laughing. Dude, I've done it. I know what

1435
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I've done it. And it's like, it's

1436
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: exactly what you say. You fake it to you to

1437
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: make it. You're like, what the hell am I like?

1438
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: Gavin's looking at us like we got three heads. He's

1439
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: like it is uh. Sometimes you just gotta say what

1440
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: the hell? You know, like whatever for the next half hour,

1441
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: me just try this. Who the hell knows what comes

1442
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: from it but a surrender to the process and maybe

1443
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: I hate it, but maybe I get something out of it.

1444
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: But um, but I love like laughter is so important. Yeah,

1445
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: what's your perspective on laughter and how has that helped you? Like, uh,

1446
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: when I think about laughter, gap remember when we went

1447
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: to Tori. Remember when we went to Pebble Beach. You know,

1448
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, two months ago, we went

1449
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: to Pebble Beach and we were there for maybe seventy

1450
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: two hours and we left. We recorded two or three

1451
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: shows there and we when we were all leaving, we're like,

1452
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: we I don't know if we've laughed that hard in

1453
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: like years, like all week long or all weekend long.

1454
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: We just laughed, man, and it was just it was

1455
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: so healing and it was it's also so it kind

1456
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: of it just takes the pressure off life. You know,

1457
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: you kind of just your shoulders softened. You kind of

1458
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: just chill. You know, you see people more clearly, You

1459
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: see the beauty in people. You're not as nervous about yourself.

1460
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: For Like, laughter is such a medicine too. And I

1461
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: also think I also think like at this time, we

1462
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: have to practice the things that we're fighting for that

1463
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: we want in our life moving forward. And we've talked

1464
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: about it on this show, like and I've talked about

1465
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: it with friends. I'm like, now is not the time

1466
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: to stop dreaming or stop laughing or stop crating, you know,

1467
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: like like otherwise, what are we fighting for? Why do

1468
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: we want to heal this and overcome this virus? To then?

1469
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: Like those are the things that we're fighting for, you know,

1470
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: And and laughter is one of them, in music is

1471
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: one of them. I've also I've also read an amazing

1472
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: article on how early explorers, the first people to visit

1473
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: Antarctic I think was nineteen thirteen, nineteen ten or nineteen thirteen,

1474
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: and they documented how they dealt with the isolation and

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01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: laughter and music we're two of the things. And then

1476
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: cooking was another one because they just had the same

1477
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: kind of canned food. They would try and find a

1478
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: way to make it differently, which is a form of

1479
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: art itself or creativity as you said, your isolation. Um,

1480
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: but it was it was laughter, and it was music,

1481
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: and it was some sort of creativity and they did

1482
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: it with food. And so laughter, man, laughter just heals

1483
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: my soul. It inspires me. It's why I love doing

1484
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: the show with Gavin. That's why I love Tor and

1485
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: aman is because we have so much fun. Like one

1486
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: I want to do something that serves and impacts our community.

1487
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: But too I come because it's so much fun to

1488
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: do these shows. You know right now, guys, I hope

1489
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: you know that I'm laughing. I'm smiling. Yeah, I guess

1490
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: the obvious question is what do you make a laughing weed?

1491
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: Who do I make a laughing weed? I think a

1492
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: lot of them have that in it, um, but there

1493
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: are some that um eve voke a more euphoric laughter

1494
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: in them. Yes. I don't have a name of them,

1495
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: but I think maybe we should uh talk about it offline.

1496
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: We can start growing right now what I'm talking about, Ethan.

1497
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: If you have one, send the something. I want to

1498
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: see our producer Amy. I have whatever you need, but

1499
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, um, you can add that part out.

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01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for you. Like look, Ethan, you you

1501
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: see everything behind me. This is exactly UM. Thank you

1502
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: for your time, buddy. I want to also bring bring

1503
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: um allow you to talk about and bring some awareness

1504
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: uh to grassroots soccer. Can you I love that mission

1505
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: that you started after you one survivor. Can you tell

1506
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: us a little bit about what grassroots soccer is and

1507
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: your mission with that? Sure before surviving the TV show.

1508
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: Like I said, I played in Africa and our closest

1509
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: friends got sick with AIDS, UM and so you know

1510
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: grassroots soccer, you know, we basically the concept is we

1511
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: trained professional soccer players, professional coaches, and peer leaders in

1512
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: the community with a curricular we developed on HIV and

1513
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: AIDS and adolescent health, and then we send them into

1514
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: the classroom to deliver these health interventions or the soccer

1515
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: fields of the churches. And you know, what we found

1516
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: is that it's not only the mess and the message

1517
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: that we're delivering, it's the messenger the people that are

1518
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: actually delivering this important information. And we found that you know,

1519
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: role models helped change the behaviors among boys and girls.

1520
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: And so that that's the basic concept is we have

1521
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of really fun game based activities that help

1522
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: disseminate information about making smart choices in life. And that's

1523
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, sex education, how HIV and age has spread,

1524
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: female empowerment, female reproductive health. Um, you know, whole the

1525
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: whole list of things that we do and um yeah,

1526
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: it's been really successful. Pretty excited about it. Yeah, it's

1527
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: my passion in life. It's good for you. Um, I

1528
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: have two more questions. I want to ask you, how

1529
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: is Survivor, like, just give us the low down and

1530
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: what it's like truthfully being on the show. It is

1531
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: I think the one of the most amazing games in

1532
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: the world. And it is a game because it's something

1533
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: that really touches on every single part of you as

1534
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: a human being, mental, physical, social, spiritual, environmental, financial. And

1535
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: here's a game where you're put in a situation where

1536
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: you got to make friends with these people, but friendships

1537
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: based on trust and you can't trust anyone. And then

1538
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: the way the game works is every person you vote off,

1539
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: they're the ones that come back and they decide if

1540
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: they want to vote for you to win the grand

1541
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: prize of a million bucks. So, like you don't you

1542
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: only not only have to play this game, you have

1543
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: to play so where you vote them off in such

1544
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: a way that they like you enough or respect you

1545
01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: enough that when they come back they want you to

1546
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: a wit And so it's just a really stressful, fun,

1547
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: exciting game. Um and it's something that like you know,

1548
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: as an athlete, I just thrived off those pressure situations

1549
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 1: and it's just something I love and uh I played

1550
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one in Africa, and I played

1551
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four which was the All Stars

1552
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: and now I'm playing again now which is season forty

1553
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: w war UM where they asked back twenty the most

1554
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: popular winners of all time to compete again, not for one,

1555
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: but for two million dollars um. So if you guys

1556
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: ever want to are you guys Canadian citizens? Are you

1557
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: American citizens? Us? US? Alright, well you can play if

1558
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: you want. I can get you on the show Man. Yeah, yes,

1559
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you want to lose two million dollars? Sure?

1560
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: What was your first what? What What toy or treat What

1561
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: did you treat yourself with after you won the million dollars?

1562
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: What was your like? Oh, I want to get well,

1563
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: I mean it's not gonna be as because I bought

1564
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: both my brother's cars. I took my mom aland vacation.

1565
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: But for me, my it was it's gonna sound weird.

1566
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: It was those bows noise reduction headphone, noise canceling headphones.

1567
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: So you can hear get draw more clearing. I wish

1568
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: I had them on now just wait till our duet

1569
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: comes out. I don't you really want to catch my voice?

1570
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: Crisp and clear tried to sing in public myself. Oh god, no,

1571
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: I love singing, man. I've told Gavin this, Like, if

1572
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I could magically acquire I have such a I have

1573
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: such a respect for artists, people that can play instruments,

1574
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: but singing, like and dancing and like, I have such

1575
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: respect for it. If there's one skill in the world

1576
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: that I could magically acquire, it would probably be to

1577
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: be able to sing like Sam. I love watching Gap

1578
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: perform um. You know, just yeah, I just have I'm

1579
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: a thank you the art. You have a children's book, man,

1580
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: you also have a children's book, Soccer World South Africa. Yeah,

1581
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: I think I have it right around here too. It's

1582
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: uh about kid to get high? What is that? Yeah,

1583
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: so here's the book right here. But yeah, I wrote

1584
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: three of the Actually, this is what I did when

1585
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: I was in isolation. This is my creative outlet. So

1586
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 1: I wrote three books. Um, Soccer World South Africa, so

1587
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: grow Up Mexico and Soccer World Spain. And uh that's

1588
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 1: kind of what kept me busy. Right in these books

1589
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: their activity books for kids, Um, see the world through soccer,

1590
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: because that's what I did when I was growing up.

1591
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:49,440
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So in a time of isolation, your isolation

1592
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: survival guy. One of it was creativity. You wrote a

1593
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: children's book in this soccer world South Africa, became the

1594
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: number one children's book on Amazon dot I did for

1595
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: a short time. Like that's yeah, incredible, Like it goes

1596
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: back to what you're referencing early even earlier, like everything

1597
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: is an opportunity, you know, for those that see it

1598
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:15,440
Speaker 1: like this time, like everything is an opportunity. I'm I'm

1599
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what is birth or being

1600
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: birthed at this moment in time. What's going to come

1601
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: out in six months or in a year, you know,

1602
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: like a lot of coronial babies to coronial that I

1603
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 1: also want to make, not like yeah, it's it's creative

1604
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: and everyone is like, um almost like rushing to be

1605
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: productive and rushing to do something incredible during this time

1606
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: of prices, which I which I applaud and I think

1607
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: it's great, but there's also something to be said. It's

1608
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: okay to just survive something and get through it. That's

1609
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: okay too, you know. And I feel that because of

1610
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 1: the way the world's working and the interconnected if it's everyone,

1611
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: everyone feels this pressure to be productive and take a

1612
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: class online and learn and skill. And I'm saying the

1613
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: same thing to you. I've done it over the past hour.

1614
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: But it's also okay to just survive and get through

1615
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: this that you know, Um, So don't have this guilt

1616
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,440
Speaker 1: of you're not doing enough or or you're being unproductive

1617
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: or enevery like the skills that I was telling you about.

1618
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Those are skills that I used to help me get

1619
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: through that and it worked out well for me. But

1620
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: I would have been okay just if I got through

1621
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: and stayed alive and did nothing. You know, that's okay too.

1622
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: You need to take care of yourself and what makes

1623
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: sense for yourself as well. Awesome, brother, man, I love

1624
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: your mission dude. Um for our listeners who want to

1625
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: follow more, you get more of what you're doing. Where

1626
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: can they find you? Where do you hang out most

1627
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: on social Where can they find you the most? Hang

1628
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: out most on Instagram? At Ethan's On. I got a website,

1629
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Ethan's on dot com and uh yeah, you can always visit.

1630
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: If you want to explore the CBD world, you can

1631
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: visit monkush dot com and uh, I got a fifty

1632
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: off code if I'm allowed to say it's Survivor fifty

1633
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: type that in uh, anything you want. Wow, that's awesome.

1634
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me nuity man, especially in this time. Um, dude,

1635
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: you're amazing. I'm rooting for you. I hope Gavin gets

1636
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: on on Winners of War. I'd love to see you

1637
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: and Gav go head to head on Season Fortius Survivor

1638
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: Winners at War. Um, but here's another one of my

1639
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: last question, So how do you play that game? Like

1640
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: the word that came to mind because you you need

1641
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: to kick these people off, but then have them vote

1642
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: for you. The word that came to mind for me

1643
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: was like integrity. If you're a human of integrity, like,

1644
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: they'll see that in you and they'll want to vote

1645
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: for you. What how do you play that game that

1646
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 1: locked that subtle dance between kicking somebody off but also

1647
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: having them want to side with you. We're not going

1648
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: to share it because you're competing for another It's not

1649
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: even filmed, so we're okay with that. But what as

1650
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: you said, integrity? Like the word integrity, it stems from integral,

1651
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: and integral means like bringing things together in a positive way.

1652
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: The opposite of integrity is disintegrity like disintegrate so when

1653
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: things fall apart. So yes, I made myself a crucial

1654
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: member of the community out there, crucial to everyone else's survival.

1655
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: So without me, they would have struggled even more. First

1656
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: one up in the morning, last to go to bed,

1657
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: got the food, got the water, supported after a win,

1658
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: console them after a loss. And I ended up kind

1659
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: of positioning myself like the assistant coach out there. Everyone

1660
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: hates the head coach, everyone loves the assistant right. The

1661
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: head coach complained to me about everyone else, all the

1662
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: players who could plain to me about the head coach,

1663
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: and I just filter that information and spit it out

1664
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: how I wanted it to to get me ahead in

1665
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: the game. And we're so, what are you gonna do

1666
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: now that they know that your strategy, I have to

1667
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: align with you and we're gonna blindside them. And then

1668
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: you know that's what we're gonna do. There is what

1669
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: percentage of it is you being able to work your

1670
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: political angle essentially, you're your human angle versus your the

1671
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: physical versus political essentially, What which is the percentage of

1672
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: which I know the way the game is played now

1673
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: it's more of a strategic mental game. Your physical prowess

1674
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: doesn't matter as much as it once did way back

1675
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: in the day, where um so, the game's kind of

1676
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: shifted a little bit, where like you can't necessarily be

1677
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: too strong anymore. Before being strong and winning challenges was

1678
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 1: an asset. Now it's looked like a negative thing because

1679
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 1: people like, why why does it look like a negative thing?

1680
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 1: People got soft, right, that's what's going on. People got

1681
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: a little soft, people got way too soft. Way now, Yeah,

1682
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: they give them a ruining the game. Yes see, we

1683
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 1: need you out there. You're old ruin the game. That's right.

1684
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: They got to put the competition back in competition? Agree?

1685
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: When does it When does Winners at War air? So

1686
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: it's air ring currently? Uh? Where it's on Wednesday nights,

1687
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: CBS eight pm. I think we're in episode nine or

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01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,799
Speaker 1: ten right now. There's thirteen episodes. Um So, yeah, Okay,

1689
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: my CBS all access passed. You can go binge watch

1690
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,799
Speaker 1: me for the past year. Last last question for everybody,

1691
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: and then we'll let you go because there's been a

1692
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: long one. What's everybody binge watching right now? Whether am I? Well,

1693
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: we are binge watching. We did Ozarks, we did the

1694
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: Tiger King. Um I do. I happen to watch some

1695
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 1: of the like Project Runway type shows and Top Chef

1696
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: that you know. That's that's where I watched. Okay, Kevin,

1697
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: you're like this. There's a new form of The Bachelor

1698
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Bachelor that basically they take two single people and then

1699
01:32:51,840 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 1: they make them sing songs together and hopefully they yeah, um, yeah, heart,

1700
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: listen to your heart, that your heart. Yes, yeah, I watched,

1701
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I gotta I got a I got a

1702
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: phone call for for that. I'll get you on that one.

1703
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: To be really, I'll get you on it. Did you

1704
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: really get I'm not up to snuff for something like that.

1705
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't think, not right now, not right now. I

1706
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: don't think looking for love and singing to duet together

1707
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: is what? What what? It's not my version of a

1708
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: love story, I think, although I think it's a great idea.

1709
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: Do you find if you are have a singing partner

1710
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of a connection or intimacy

1711
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: where you could fall in love easier or it's just

1712
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: it's singing. Is one thing loves another thing and they

1713
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: don't mix? Um, well, it could be. I mean, it

1714
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: could be a chemical thing there. But I think in

1715
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 1: the age of COVID, you wouldn't be able to sing

1716
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: to each other anymore because you'd be thinking, I think

1717
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: I got some of that in my eyes just now,

1718
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: and uh, maybe we should be doing that. I feel

1719
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: an infection coming on. It doesn't sound good to singing

1720
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: a mask, does it, No, man, Thank you so much

1721
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: for taking the time. UM. Gonna tune in and watch

1722
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 1: how Winter at Wars finishes off. UM, And anyway, we

1723
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: would love to have you back on the show. Anyway

1724
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: we can support your mission, my friend, please reach out. UM.

1725
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: Best of luck to you, Thank you for serving our

1726
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: community and just appreciate your time. Thank you very much,

1727
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you guys for having Thank you. Until

1728
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: next week, take care of one another, love one another,

1729
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: and we'll see you back here for another episode of

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01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: How Many Things See