Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to the podcast here. And Shotenfreuda, well
Speaker 1: apparently I don't even know what that means. Please explain that,
Speaker 1: you all. There's been so much that's been happening before
Speaker 1: we hit record on this this episode, and shiden Freuda
Speaker 1: was the last thing we hit on. Is that right?
Speaker 2: Shotten with freude. I'm not really good shot in Florida.
Speaker 2: I'm so bad at pronouncing German words. But my dad
Speaker 2: was explaining it to me, as was my daughter who
Speaker 2: is in Germany right now. But it's a word that
Speaker 2: we actually don't have an equivalent for here in the
Speaker 2: United States. Who out there has laughed at someone else falling?
Speaker 2: That's the best way for me to describe it. So
Speaker 2: you're taking some sort of okay, everyone raised their hands, yes, okay, please,
Speaker 2: thank you, joined the club.
Speaker 1: Can come on, everybody. There are whole YouTube videos that
Speaker 1: go for an hour at points just showing people fall
Speaker 1: because we laugh at that for some reason.
Speaker 2: And the reason why we know that is because we
Speaker 2: have watched many of those YouTube I think it's called fails.
Speaker 1: That's not us, that's Sabine's. Sabine Holmes is completely responsible
Speaker 1: for this. She's eleven years old and kids with an
Speaker 1: iPhone they sit up and they just watch YouTube all day.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Oh, God's no. But this is one time that YouTube
Speaker 1: paid off for us.
Speaker 2: Yes, So we have been for whatever reason in this
Speaker 2: past year. How many times have we seen people falling
Speaker 2: around us? I had?
Speaker 1: Has anybody seen the movie Radius? Okay, it's a horror movie.
Speaker 1: You haven't seen it. It's called Radius, and this guy
Speaker 1: essentially has a radius around him to where anybody comes
Speaker 1: in that radius, they die right at the premise. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's a fascinating movie to watch. But I argue
Speaker 1: that I have a radius around me when it comes
Speaker 1: to people falling, and if you're around me within about
Speaker 1: ten to twenty feet, it's a good chance you might
Speaker 1: fall fall.
Speaker 2: I can confirm that because when I'm walking next to you,
Speaker 2: I cannot I'm like, this statistically cannot get possible. How
Speaker 2: many times? And then you feel bad because we actually
Speaker 2: have to separate and walk away because we don't want
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to see me laughing at them falling.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're okay, they're hurt. It's just comical. It's
Speaker 2: like physical comedy, like The Three Stooges. Kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: We have to walk in opposite directions almost run because
Speaker 2: we're laughing or tears are coming out of our eyes,
Speaker 2: and I and we can't be together because it's even funnier.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about some of them now and I got
Speaker 1: tears and I'm wiping in my eyes because the funniest
Speaker 1: some of the bunnies want. Okay, when one person takes
Speaker 1: out the other, that was the best. Oh wow, yes.
Speaker 1: But then when kids fall out of the strollers, they're
Speaker 1: not strapped in plant.
Speaker 2: They bounced though they have a lot of cartilage, a
Speaker 2: lot of baby fat. Didn't see anyone crying even but
Speaker 2: we that's happened twice in front of us.
Speaker 1: Okay, y'all look in judgment right now. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you'll know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And then runners, runners, we had so many runners just
Speaker 2: like bite bite the dust. Like when we're running and
Speaker 2: we're you know, you're oh, skiing. I was explaining this
Speaker 2: to you. You don't ski. One of the.
Speaker 1: Hardest things would have ever thought. I don't ski.
Speaker 2: But when you're skiing and someone has some like unbelievable
Speaker 2: crash in front of you, I have to pull off
Speaker 2: to the side and stop because I start laughing so
Speaker 2: hard I then fall.
Speaker 1: That's not the stuff we're talking about. Stuff we see
Speaker 1: is regular walking down the street where people should not
Speaker 1: be biting it.
Speaker 3: And then they always look back like, what, how did
Speaker 3: that happen?
Speaker 1: Wow? What's wrong with this sidewalk?
Speaker 2: No? I slipped on a banana peel the other day.
Speaker 2: That actually happened. I told you I took a picture
Speaker 2: of it because I knew you wouldn't believe me. It's
Speaker 2: so ridiculously it's only in a cartoon.
Speaker 3: Would you see that happen?
Speaker 2: But I slipped and almost fell. I also turned around
Speaker 2: and said what was that? And it actually was a
Speaker 2: banana peel? And I had to proof.
Speaker 1: Do you sent me a picture? You send me a
Speaker 1: picture of a banana?
Speaker 2: It was a fresh banana?
Speaker 1: People, okay fresh now now you're going fresh?
Speaker 2: Okay, brand new banana? Puel media. It was ready to
Speaker 2: slide anyway. They there's a German word basically that says
Speaker 2: you take pleasure in something that maybe you shouldn't.
Speaker 1: But that's where I got in with the back and point.
Speaker 1: I just asked you, hey, send the ask your dad,
Speaker 1: because I want to understand what the translation. What there's
Speaker 1: a difference in Florida shot in Freuda. There's a difference
Speaker 1: in taking like comical seeing somebody trip versus taking pleasure
Speaker 1: in someone else's demise or their pain. And I was
Speaker 1: trying to separate what this word. I think that's evil.
Speaker 1: I think that's evil. We do have a word for
Speaker 1: that in this language in English. Right, that's evil, That's mean.
Speaker 1: This is more like.
Speaker 2: Just come on, this is human nature. There is something
Speaker 2: in all of us that sometimes thinks it's funny when
Speaker 2: someone or something falls, or there's just some I mean
Speaker 2: maybe someone could that's that's my takeaway from it. But
Speaker 2: it's just this funny thing when you have other languages
Speaker 2: that have words that we don't have in English.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's just one of It's a great word.
Speaker 1: Who sent it? Was at your day?
Speaker 3: I sent that?
Speaker 1: Okay? Did he explain why he sent you directly to
Speaker 1: voicemail when you go?
Speaker 2: I don't know. But obviously he's busy, the retired man
Speaker 2: that he is, was too busy to take my phone call.
Speaker 2: I mean, would.
Speaker 3: Break the voicemail.
Speaker 1: Dad got else? You just took a shot at your dad,
Speaker 1: you know I did?
Speaker 2: All right? Okay? He knows.
Speaker 1: I love him, you know what, but he does his
Speaker 1: uh the charity work, delivers the meals, right, oh.
Speaker 2: He do you know what? That what he's doing? He
Speaker 2: does meals on wheels. And remember I tried to call
Speaker 2: him the other day and he didn't answer. I kept
Speaker 2: calling back and finally he was like, Ames, I'm delivering food,
Speaker 2: meals on wheels. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Don't have time with your shot and froud oh whatever
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, he might be doing charity work.
Speaker 2: Now now i'd go offul I'm not taking Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: Okay. So all this was that out again. We didn't
Speaker 1: know how we were going to start this, but that
Speaker 1: we were talking about that before we started. The other
Speaker 1: thing was therapy. That look, we've talked about here, like
Speaker 1: you have not been shy about I haven't done a
Speaker 1: lot of therapy over the years, but like, what is
Speaker 1: the right way? What serves And it might be individual,
Speaker 1: but what serves somebody better to read a book or
Speaker 1: to go sit and pay three hundred dollars an hour
Speaker 1: to have someone like you were arguing, validating, Like there's
Speaker 1: no question I think therapy has been beneficial to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. But we were talking about it at
Speaker 1: the same time what our experiences are and our guest
Speaker 1: today is we were talking about this with her because she
Speaker 1: has dealt with some therapy as well, like what is
Speaker 1: the way or what has worked for you or worked
Speaker 1: for us in terms of reading a book from Michael
Speaker 1: Singer or else somebody. I'm forgetting Ekartole versus and then
Speaker 1: putting that stuff into practicing your everyday life versus of
Speaker 1: session a week, a session every two weeks.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think maybe it's it's a combination.
Speaker 2: I mean, Gabby Bernstein, Michael Singer, Ekartole, all these people
Speaker 2: I really credit with helping me through some of the
Speaker 2: toughest times in my life. I reread them, I listened
Speaker 2: to them in audiobooks, I listened to their podcast. I mean,
Speaker 2: they really do have insightful things to say that apply
Speaker 2: to everyone. This is about how we as humans can
Speaker 2: become Ego lists is basically what it is. It's about,
Speaker 2: you know, thinking instead of what am I not getting,
Speaker 2: it's what am I not giving? And that's the general concept.
Speaker 2: So I think those are amazing things to You're laughing
Speaker 2: at me because you say, I start getting all Michael
Speaker 2: Singer on you. Fine, whatever, but there be Oh why
Speaker 2: are you laughing? Yeah, that's not why you're laughing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we need therapy.
Speaker 3: Oh god, why are you laughing?
Speaker 1: Because you went into it. But I'm thinking about fine,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Saturday, okay.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't apply it.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I know what to do, and then when the moment
Speaker 2: happens where I can make a decision, I'm not in
Speaker 2: that state of mind where I'm aware. So sometimes I
Speaker 2: actually made a little video diary for myself yesterday to
Speaker 2: remind myself, and every day I want to remind myself.
Speaker 2: That's why people meditate. I think that's why people do
Speaker 2: a lot of things. They journal, but just we all
Speaker 2: need to reset. The ego is so powerful, and if
Speaker 2: you don't continually remind yourself that that is actually your enemy,
Speaker 2: then you can slip into it because that is human
Speaker 2: nature to protect and to defend. But that's what creates
Speaker 2: most of the problems that you have in any relationship
Speaker 2: you have with anyone or even with yourself. And so
Speaker 2: it's like I was trying to tell myself positive thoughts
Speaker 2: and let it go. Let it go. You don't have
Speaker 2: to hold onto things. I'm not I wasn't gonna think,
Speaker 2: I was gonna think. But therapy to answer your question,
Speaker 2: I think can be really helpful when you are in
Speaker 2: a crisis and when you need help. And I have
Speaker 2: been there when I when the books and the podcasts
Speaker 2: and what I know intellectually I can't put into practice
Speaker 2: because I'm so far you know, in a downward spiral,
Speaker 2: I can't get out and so so crisis.
Speaker 1: When you need help, you what is your thought then?
Speaker 1: On what I hear from people oftentimes is that you, yes,
Speaker 1: crisis and you need help, is fine, but you need
Speaker 1: regular checkups to where you need to go once a week,
Speaker 1: twice a week or whatever, mean once every two weeks
Speaker 1: or what it may be. Well that there's an argument
Speaker 1: there that we do use it too much for a
Speaker 1: crisis instead of as a regular checkup.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's such a personal individual thing
Speaker 2: and if it works for you, that's great. I have
Speaker 2: had so much.
Speaker 3: Therapy over the last fifteen years it's absurd.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to know how much money I've spent,
Speaker 2: but at least I feel like I spent it towards
Speaker 2: something that was going to make me better.
Speaker 1: Yes, Scott, thank goodness you spent that money, because I
Speaker 1: am the beneficiary of all Oh my god, I am
Speaker 1: the beneficiary of all that money spent.
Speaker 2: It's a work in Progressjay, it's a work in progress.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, but today we do have And folks have
Speaker 1: heard plenty of times on this podcast even but over
Speaker 1: the years, if they follow you on social media, people
Speaker 1: have heard the name Nikki a whole lot. Nicky, Nicky, Nicki,
Speaker 1: Nicki Nikki. And you hear so much about Nikki because
Speaker 1: Nikki is the best You have been your best friend eight.
Speaker 3: Years, yeah, eight, maybe even more.
Speaker 1: Maybe even more. But Nikki, I let you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: introduce her. She's sitting here with us in there Heart Studios,
Speaker 1: and she's somebody we are obviously has been a delight
Speaker 1: to us and has served us so well in so
Speaker 1: many ways. But I want you before don't do an introduction, Okay,
Speaker 1: I would really like for you to describe your relationship
Speaker 1: with her. Don't don't introduce her. She's this, and she's that,
Speaker 1: she's a textan Filipino and that we get into all that,
Speaker 1: but what she is to.
Speaker 3: You, she is my rock.
Speaker 2: She is the person I turned to when I'm in
Speaker 2: isis beetn emotional. I don't think I could have made
Speaker 2: it through last year without her. She is that person
Speaker 2: who is always there. I can count on her for
Speaker 2: anything and everything. If it's two am, if it's two pm,
Speaker 2: wherever she is, she would drop anything and everything because
Speaker 2: she is like the warmest, sweetest, kindest, most selfless person
Speaker 2: I've ever met. And I actually feel like I don't
Speaker 2: deserve her as a friend, that's how good of a
Speaker 2: person she is. And she is just I call her
Speaker 2: Yoda because she's so wise and she's hilariously doesn't know
Speaker 2: basic stuff sometimes, like she didn't know what a fern was. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know why that sticks out of my mind,
Speaker 2: but there's a funny story there, because it's just like
Speaker 2: silly stuff like that. She'll ask like what's that? Like
Speaker 2: are you kidding me right now? But she will be
Speaker 2: so wise and have so much insight to things that
Speaker 2: just blow your mind. And when I need to be grounded,
Speaker 2: or I need to get perspective, or I just need
Speaker 2: a friend, she is the person that I am so
Speaker 2: grateful to be able to turn to because she's just
Speaker 2: I call her a unicorn.
Speaker 3: Yoda and unicorn, those are the two things I call.
Speaker 1: Wow, we have listeners who we have to leave this
Speaker 1: to your imagination. So put Yoda and a unicorn together.
Speaker 1: That's nicky, and that's uh, that's a Yoda unicorn baby,
Speaker 1: and that's nicky. And get that in your mind. And
Speaker 1: you know it's funny you call a Yoda because she
Speaker 1: is about his height.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: She is not an insult, not an insult. She gets it.
Speaker 1: She's four foot eleven.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: And at this point, you again, you introduced me to her,
Speaker 1: and she has been around with me the entire time
Speaker 1: I've known you. But she's known essentially Samine her entire life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think's known you is almost as long as
Speaker 2: she's known me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's fun now that we sit here and that
Speaker 1: my little one that she's known since one a year old,
Speaker 1: literally a year old, Sabina is not taller than she is.
Speaker 3: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's wild. So folks, a lot of folks out there
Speaker 1: have called her and looked and they've asked you, what
Speaker 1: is she your? Have you adopted her? Yep? Is she
Speaker 1: are you related?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: What else have they?
Speaker 2: They they asked if she's my daughter, which was a
Speaker 2: kind of offensive, but okay, offensive because I'm not old
Speaker 2: enough to be her mom. She's a forty year old woman.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so what does that say about me? Sorry anyway,
Speaker 1: but she looks so young to be fair, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true. And also they've also questioned, are platonic or not?
Speaker 2: Like there's been a question as to whether or not
Speaker 2: we have a more than platonic relationship.
Speaker 1: You Oh yes.
Speaker 2: People have absolutely raised their eyebrows and said, what's going
Speaker 2: on with you too?
Speaker 1: Do you answer?
Speaker 2: I was like, are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 1: That's not a so I no, obviously, I know.
Speaker 3: Absolutely speaking Okay, everybody like, can I talk?
Speaker 4: We I've also gotten assistant. People have many people have
Speaker 4: asked if I've am your assistant? I've gotten everything. So
Speaker 4: because I did live with you upstate during quarantine. First
Speaker 4: of all, Also, just real quick, thank you guys for
Speaker 4: having me. I'm very nervous right now. Team then I
Speaker 4: feel very calm here at peace.
Speaker 2: Yay. Well, I was gonna say it's Nikki a spina,
Speaker 2: but hilariously, because of what you look like on Instagram,
Speaker 2: your handle people call you Nike.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my handle is actually Nick Espina. And y'all's
Speaker 4: first podcast. Actually, when you call you, when you said
Speaker 4: my name Nikki, I got a few d MS saying
Speaker 4: I always thought your name was Nike, Nike Spina, and
Speaker 4: so many people wing and saying I thought the same thing.
Speaker 4: So because of y'all's podcast, it's NICKI, it's Nicole Denise Espina,
Speaker 4: and I go by Niki.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you are still no, no at all, no,
Speaker 1: no at all No.
Speaker 3: There's like maybe two people that ever called me.
Speaker 1: To Cole, I asked her to describe her relationship with you.
Speaker 1: I'll do the same. You describe your relationship with this one.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I had to like look away
Speaker 4: when you introduced me because you started tearing up. And
Speaker 4: when she cries, I cry, and everyone in here already knows.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty nervous because there are certain people that belong
Speaker 4: on camera or in front of a microphone. I'm not
Speaker 4: one of those people. I get nervous. I get like
Speaker 4: very shy, and I'm just like I was actually just
Speaker 4: texting with Anna, your youngest, and I was like, she
Speaker 4: was talking me through this.
Speaker 3: She was like, just be yourself, Nikki.
Speaker 4: So the same thing with Anna and Ave of course,
Speaker 4: like I've seen Sabine grow up.
Speaker 1: But even I'm calling bulls. See you right now, people, Okay,
Speaker 1: see you right now. You are lean back in the chair,
Speaker 1: more comfortable than you're one of us. Yeah, you're holding
Speaker 1: your microphone as if you're about to be a playlist
Speaker 1: or something. Right, they can stop.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, it's because of your amazing team that
Speaker 4: are making me feel very comfortable and y'all, of course
Speaker 4: I feel I'm with my family now. So but my
Speaker 4: heart is beating like crazy right now. But so I
Speaker 4: to look away because you were crying. And we actually
Speaker 4: spent like two hours on the phone yesterday bawling her
Speaker 4: eyes out, just talking about life and not even like
Speaker 4: bad tears, but good tears. But back to the question, See,
Speaker 4: some people really just don't fly like I digress. Sorry, Amy,
Speaker 4: She is my rock, her and her family, her and
Speaker 4: her two girls. I swear they are my family. They
Speaker 4: are my chosen family. I love my actual family, and
Speaker 4: I very much love my chosen family. You guys have
Speaker 4: been with me for eight years. I definitely want to
Speaker 4: get into the story of how we met, because that
Speaker 4: is actually one of the biggest questions I get. But
Speaker 4: first I just want to talk about us, like just
Speaker 4: so many people. I was just telling my boyfriend this
Speaker 4: the other day, that so many people wish that they
Speaker 4: had such close friendships. And I'm thinking, as a forty
Speaker 4: year old woman now, who just I turn forty in December,
Speaker 4: so many people would kill for such a close friendship.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's to the point that people question it in a sense.
Speaker 4: But it's literally like we go through college and your
Speaker 4: friends are right there in the dorms, They're right there
Speaker 4: in your sororities or your fraternity or whatever. And then
Speaker 4: when I moved back to New York City long story shore,
Speaker 4: I lived here, I moved away. I came back in
Speaker 4: twenty ten, and for the first few years I was
Speaker 4: actually I lived by myself on this in this tiny,
Speaker 4: little Upper east Side apartment, and I was just I'm
Speaker 4: a personal trainer.
Speaker 2: I was just working.
Speaker 3: Then I would go home. I was working, I would
Speaker 3: go home. I have a close friend group.
Speaker 4: Amy, you are my sister, you are my best friend,
Speaker 4: You're my free therapist. So talking about therapy and everything,
Speaker 4: but I crying about two hours, just life changes toole,
Speaker 4: life change, life changes, anxiety, anxiety also just literally yeah, why,
Speaker 4: I'm a very like introspective person head in Yota, So
Speaker 4: I'm just constantly thinking, just like overthinking. I'm a big overthinker.
Speaker 4: Amy's like always talks me down. She's like, you're overthinking this,
Speaker 4: or but just live stuff, live changes with everything, be
Speaker 4: it with I was actually crying a little bit about
Speaker 4: like Anna moving away, honestly, like that's something I can
Speaker 4: literally start crying about, Like Ava's in Germany, but she
Speaker 4: still lives here at n YU and just even literally
Speaker 4: the thought of Anna moving away, So don't start crying.
Speaker 4: I won't Anna moving away in a few months to
Speaker 4: go off to college. We're not sure still she hasn't
Speaker 4: chosen which college yet she wants to go to. But
Speaker 4: just the thought of that, I can literally just start crying.
Speaker 4: I had just got done with work and I called
Speaker 4: you up and we're just literally chatting on the phone
Speaker 4: for like a solid hour or two just about life
Speaker 4: and about the books and about the podcast that we
Speaker 4: listened to.
Speaker 2: And we just we share, we share podcasts and ideas
Speaker 2: and yes, and we're just we're we're really sappy like that.
Speaker 2: But we were constantly supporting one another. I think absolutely
Speaker 2: when we have anxiety, which is amazing. Absolutely, you want
Speaker 2: to go back. And the story of how we met
Speaker 2: is pretty funny because it's not what people would think
Speaker 2: favorite story.
Speaker 3: It's literally one of my favorite stories.
Speaker 2: I needed a dog sitter.
Speaker 3: I actually worked at ABC Radio. I don't know if
Speaker 3: y'all know, I don't. I know you knew this. The
Speaker 3: thought of making a cubicle is so funny to me.
Speaker 3: Definitely not me. I ever going back to a cubicle
Speaker 3: or I did fit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, So I did that for about a year,
Speaker 4: and that's how a lot of people think, I know you.
Speaker 4: Actually I did that for about a year. This is
Speaker 4: two thousand and it just wasn't me. I just knew
Speaker 4: I wasn't meant to be working there, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to travel. I wanted to live elsewhere because I loved
Speaker 4: New York so much. I love New York so much
Speaker 4: that I was like, if I don't leave now, I'm
Speaker 4: never gonna leave. So I ended up moving to Hawaii
Speaker 4: for a few months. Then I went off to Brazil
Speaker 4: for a few months, and then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go back to New York City twenty ten,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm gonna pursue personal training. My
Speaker 4: aunt in the Philippines was a personal trainer. She's the
Speaker 4: one I really looked up to look up to still,
Speaker 4: so I pursued that, got my certification in that So
Speaker 4: twenty ten, i work at New York Sports Clubs and
Speaker 4: I'm getting certified to become a trainer. And in the meantime,
Speaker 4: obviously I had to pay the bills, so I'm not
Speaker 4: yet a trainer. I don't want to train a new
Speaker 4: one until I'm actually certified. So I get a job
Speaker 4: at Quicksilver on Fifth Avenue, right by a Rockefeller Center.
Speaker 3: Quicksilver is a like a surf brand, surf brand, skate brand.
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite brands. I was like, and
Speaker 4: I don't mind retail. I've always enjoyed retail. I did
Speaker 4: that through all throughout college. So I did that while
Speaker 4: I'm also working at New York Sports Clubs as a
Speaker 4: a as I'm getting my certification.
Speaker 2: Right and Sarah Haynes walks in.
Speaker 3: So Sarah Haynes.
Speaker 4: Walks in one July summer day in twenty ten, and
Speaker 4: long story short, one of the coolest girls. We just
Speaker 4: hit it off and she gives me her card and
Speaker 4: she actually became my very first client. We're training and
Speaker 4: she and I'm talking about my love for dogs, and
Speaker 4: she was like, would you ever want to dog sit
Speaker 4: one day? Is that a possibility? Like your like apartment
Speaker 4: sit enjoy my apartment on the Upper West Side at
Speaker 4: the time, or Hell's kitchen this is where she lived.
Speaker 4: And I was like, sure, I love dogs, of course,
Speaker 4: let's do this. So I start not only training her,
Speaker 4: I'm dog sitting for her. And then let's fast forward to.
Speaker 2: Well you you you trained, so you trained Sarah? You
Speaker 2: you you dog sat for her. Then she introduces you
Speaker 2: to ginger Z.
Speaker 4: To ginger Z in twenty fourteen, so then you're dog
Speaker 4: and I think start dog hitting and did you train
Speaker 4: dog or just not dream her?
Speaker 3: I just dogs. I loved her dog so much. I
Speaker 3: actually dog sat dog walk.
Speaker 4: I actually gave up a few clients to walk her
Speaker 4: dog every day because I loved him so much.
Speaker 2: Nicki loves dogs and she loves kids she doesn't have.
Speaker 2: And then you so I was twenty fifteen. I go
Speaker 2: to ginger and I needed a dog sitter, and she
Speaker 2: was like, actually I know this girl. I met her
Speaker 2: through Sarah Haynes, and she also is a personal trainer.
Speaker 2: If you need that, I'm like, actually that it sounds amazing.
Speaker 2: Will you give me her number? So if you look
Speaker 2: in my phone when your name comes up, it still
Speaker 2: says it says trainer, Nikkia. Yeah, that doesn't say dog sitter.
Speaker 2: That wasn't your trade. You're a trainer. And so you started,
Speaker 2: you know, helping me out walk and not really walking Brody,
Speaker 2: but taking care of him when I'm traveling, apartment sitting yep.
Speaker 3: And then and then I said I'd actually love a
Speaker 3: personal trainer.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I was coming out of breast cancer, and I
Speaker 2: knew I wanted to get, you know, more fit after
Speaker 2: everything I'd been through. So you and I started training.
Speaker 2: And the one thing about Nicki is when she trained someone,
Speaker 2: she's not just physically training them. It's also I learned
Speaker 2: a therapy session to go back to our theme therapy.
Speaker 2: So I started thinking, like, this girl is so interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, she and the training would just fly by
Speaker 2: because we'd be talking about our feelings and what we
Speaker 2: think about the about life and all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: And so I started learning things about you, and you
Speaker 2: told me at that point, and I find this so
Speaker 2: interesting that you were eight years sober, that's right. And
Speaker 2: I started asking you questions and you explained what happened.
Speaker 4: So back in I think my last drink, like I
Speaker 4: partied haired in college, and then my first few years
Speaker 4: here that one year in New York City, Hawaii as well.
Speaker 4: When I got back from Hawaiian and Brazil, I got
Speaker 4: back here and I was just like, I didn't have
Speaker 4: a great experience at a party once, at a work
Speaker 4: party once, and I was like, I'm done, Like I
Speaker 4: just don't want to drink anymore. So when I got
Speaker 4: back from Brazil in twenty ten, I was like or
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine or so, I was like, I think,
Speaker 4: I'm just not going to drink.
Speaker 3: And I just was able to cut it out of
Speaker 3: my life. Cold tricky.
Speaker 4: So I get back to New York City. I'm putting
Speaker 4: all my energy into training and working and everything. And
Speaker 4: at the same time, I didn't really have like a
Speaker 4: close friend group or anything. Didn't have y'all at the
Speaker 4: time or anything. So I was just like, I don't
Speaker 4: I'm just not going to drink. And I just wasn't
Speaker 4: tempted to, I didn't feel like I needed to, didn't
Speaker 4: want to. So for eight years I just did not
Speaker 4: have one drink. And then it wasn't until I met
Speaker 4: my group of friends that i'm very still like, still
Speaker 4: very close to. I was like, I finally feel like
Speaker 4: I found a group of people that I feel safe
Speaker 4: drinking with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I started eating back into it as a woman.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you eat back and how and how
Speaker 2: do you feel now about about your drinking habits. I
Speaker 2: feel very very.
Speaker 3: Healthy with it. It's not something.
Speaker 4: I'm a social drinker. I love like the you actually
Speaker 4: taught me this phrase. I drink to enhance joy, not
Speaker 4: to mask pain.
Speaker 2: So I I love it.
Speaker 4: I love going out to our our lunches getting rose.
Speaker 4: I love our run to run to fun. Whenever I
Speaker 4: go running with you guys, let's grab it be speaking
Speaker 4: to the afternoon now, yeah, fun. Because I feel safe
Speaker 4: with y'all. I feel safe with with you know. I
Speaker 4: think that's a big thing. Actually, just when I won't
Speaker 4: just drink with anybody, I need to know that I'm
Speaker 4: in a safe environment.
Speaker 3: So I have a very healthy relationship with it.
Speaker 2: But I enjoy it. I have fun.
Speaker 3: I love a good glad. Are we gonna get rose
Speaker 3: after this?
Speaker 2: Can we?
Speaker 3: Well it's not dry January anymore? Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to be clear that you you had
Speaker 1: a bad experience, but you didn't have some drinking. Probably.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Actually I.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you meuntioning that because there were only a lot
Speaker 4: of people. Yes, yes, yes, actually I appreciate you saying
Speaker 4: that it was an uh No, I never I know,
Speaker 4: was never addicted.
Speaker 3: I was never like an alcoholic or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Someone else who put you in an uncomfortable situation and
Speaker 2: you didn't feel like being under the influence in any
Speaker 2: way helped the situation.
Speaker 3: So it was scary.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: It was actually at at my first corporate job and
Speaker 4: it was a work party, and it just it it
Speaker 4: was just not a good situation to get.
Speaker 3: It was just wasn't a good situation.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the date of that party?
Speaker 3: December something two thousand.
Speaker 2: Wow, Because something is different. Like so when I said
Speaker 2: she should knowed that, she also has this incredible memory.
Speaker 2: Where so a if you ever are going to be
Speaker 2: in any sort of disagreement, and we don't fight that much.
Speaker 3: We've had a couple fights.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I would never dare say I said or
Speaker 2: didn't say something, because you would be able to almost rebate.
Speaker 2: Tell me what I said, or but I didn't say that.
Speaker 2: You say it in the nicest way, like I don't
Speaker 2: think that's what you said. Actually, keeping on the stay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you can tell me the date that it happened,
Speaker 2: and you can sometimes you can tell me what I
Speaker 2: was wearing.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I could tell you the dates I met.
Speaker 1: Y'all say, I'm trying to think, move to our audience
Speaker 1: right now. Oh god, that she does it. No, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't fail to test, obviously. But it's been bizarre the
Speaker 1: times we can say when was the thing and you
Speaker 1: go boom right off the top of your hands.
Speaker 4: Just recently, you guys were like, hey, when did you
Speaker 4: go to Marie's crisis with a Nick and Adam last year?
Speaker 4: And I said it was April seventh of twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: but Amy pulled up the pictures like she was right,
Speaker 4: it was April seventh. Right, I can little thing like
Speaker 4: document it on my little things also like sure, my mind,
Speaker 4: my brain, but also pictures and stuff. I love taking pictures, videos,
Speaker 4: I love documenting like you know, Instagram stuff.
Speaker 3: But it's because of that, like pictures from Oh we
Speaker 3: took it on April seventh.
Speaker 2: All right, So what's the day you met TJ?
Speaker 4: So there was an actual day that I met TJ
Speaker 4: at the studio in Times Square with Sabine, Little Sabine,
Speaker 4: she was so cute's so little, But that was in passing.
Speaker 3: That was in passing, Oh TJ. Sabine.
Speaker 4: But when we actually, like, the first day I babysat
Speaker 4: Sabine was June first, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 4: So I and I do know this because the day
Speaker 4: before Amy me, Amy, like us and some friends went
Speaker 4: out and we're all just having drinks and enjoying.
Speaker 2: Oh, TJ.
Speaker 4: Holmes needs a babysitter tomorrow. Is there any chance that
Speaker 4: you're interested? I was like, oh, hell yeah, let's do
Speaker 4: this all right, I'm gonna test you again. What's the
Speaker 4: first what's the first day that we met that you
Speaker 4: came and dogs hat? The first day that I dog set? Well, okay,
Speaker 4: either one more day we met or the first day
Speaker 4: you dog sat.
Speaker 3: First day we met was August thirteenth, twenty fifteen. Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, it's weird. And I'll always remember when I
Speaker 3: met you. Guys, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: And you remember the first day you came over to
Speaker 2: watch Brody. It was two days later, like August fifteenth, that.
Speaker 1: We had so at Oh was that just us three? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I didn't even remember Robert.
Speaker 4: I actually remember it was August sixth, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: because Amy and I went shopping that day and then
Speaker 4: you met up with us. We were shopping in Soho
Speaker 4: and then you met up with us at that place
Speaker 4: on Houston.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember the corner there, guys.
Speaker 2: I have the worst memory.
Speaker 3: I am the opposite of detective, but the favorite one
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: And you'll remember there was a particular something between the
Speaker 1: two of us that you she's already you sat I
Speaker 1: think you're the only witness to this, right, Okay, He
Speaker 1: sat up in a dead sleep and woke up and
Speaker 1: shouted out my birthday.
Speaker 2: I know this.
Speaker 3: Hold on, this is a fun game.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was Halloween. It was hollow because we went to
Speaker 3: Ava show.
Speaker 4: We walked through that parade. Yep, we get to your apartment.
Speaker 4: I were on the couch I fell asleep watching a movie.
Speaker 4: TJ's on the floor, and then out of nowhere, I
Speaker 4: was talking to TJ. I don't know, you just scream
Speaker 4: August nineteenth. And he goes, wait, what did you just say?
Speaker 4: And then you don't even remember that.
Speaker 2: I didn't remember. The next day I was in work,
Speaker 2: TJ walks by my dressing room and he said, hey, Robes,
Speaker 2: when's my birthday? And I was like, huh. And so
Speaker 2: I looked to my producer, Danesca, and she's I look
Speaker 2: at her, and we have we have we can make
Speaker 2: eye contact.
Speaker 3: She knows what I mean. She's like, I'm looking it up.
Speaker 2: So she looked it up and she whispers to me
Speaker 2: August nineteenth and I say, I'll get nineteenth. And he
Speaker 2: said did you know that? I said no, Daneska just
Speaker 2: told me. He's like, do you know what you said
Speaker 2: last night on the couch? Nope, I screamed August nineteenth.
Speaker 2: We still can't understand it. I don't think anyone will
Speaker 2: believe it unless you witnessed it.
Speaker 1: Again, you were the only Nikki's only witnessed it. But
Speaker 1: this was before there was anything between.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were just friends. This is years before two years.
Speaker 1: Before at you a complete dead sleeps new and I
Speaker 1: were just we're just talking. We're the World Series game
Speaker 1: or football game.
Speaker 3: Yes, I ordered pizza out.
Speaker 1: And we're talking. Everybody else's passed out, and you just
Speaker 1: shut up on the couch, spread out nineteenth.
Speaker 3: It's weird. I don't even have an explanation for it.
Speaker 3: It's one of those boobs.
Speaker 4: Halloween of twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, Yes, twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one.
Speaker 1: There it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my goodness, it's anyways, if you guys need
Speaker 3: help with your.
Speaker 1: Day, have you heard of I mesia? I have not.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: They say, that's what you have. It's someone's ability to
Speaker 1: spontaneously recall the dates and details of events that happened
Speaker 1: in their life.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, And oh my gosh, even small ones like
Speaker 2: you it. I can't tell you how many times it
Speaker 2: happens where you all just kind of be saying what
Speaker 2: was that, and you'll just shout out the exact date
Speaker 2: and then, like I said, you can tell me what
Speaker 2: I'm where I was wearing sometimes, Oh my gosh. Really weird.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, but you remember when you wore that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Also, because like I just I have pictures too.
Speaker 2: It's like, like it doesn't matter. I have pictures too.
Speaker 2: I have I have the opposite condition that you have.
Speaker 2: I can't remember anything. I'm like when it humh, oh
Speaker 2: my god. It's a fun little game we can play.
Speaker 3: We can I love the can do day.
Speaker 2: So wait, So if you google Nikki Aspina, I did
Speaker 2: it today. There's there's a lot of you out there.
Speaker 2: But one of the funny things you will find if
Speaker 2: you google Nikki Aspina is she made headlines. You. You
Speaker 2: went viral last year because of how you live and
Speaker 2: where you live and how much you pay to do that.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, everyone knows how much I do.
Speaker 2: It's New York City. But please tell our listeners because
Speaker 2: this is going to blow your mind everyone.
Speaker 1: First of all, how much as you're.
Speaker 4: In seventeen fifty Okay, that sounds great, rights, yeah.
Speaker 1: In New York. Now, what is the square foot of
Speaker 1: your apartment?
Speaker 3: Eighty square feet?
Speaker 2: Eighty eight note eight hundred eighty.
Speaker 4: Square feet, which so basically here's the story with that.
Speaker 3: So have you guys heard of Calebsimson.
Speaker 4: He is known for going up to people in the
Speaker 4: streets spontaneously and being like, hey, excuse me how much
Speaker 4: do you pay for rents in New York City? And
Speaker 4: they'll stop and be like two thousand dollars, three thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: So I came across his videos his Instagram exactly a
Speaker 4: year ago, about a year ago, and jokingly, I was
Speaker 4: just scrolling through his feed and I loved it, and
Speaker 4: one of my friends was like, Nikki, you should ask
Speaker 4: him on I reposted a video of his One of
Speaker 4: my friends was like, you should get him to come
Speaker 4: to your micro studio.
Speaker 2: So I put.
Speaker 4: Jokingly on my store, Caleb Simpson, come toward my micro studio.
Speaker 4: He responds within ten minutes saying when can I come
Speaker 4: over to do the store. I actually didn't respond for
Speaker 4: maybe twelve hours because I was like, I was kind
Speaker 4: of kidding, and I don't know if I want you
Speaker 4: coming over to my place.
Speaker 3: And I get nervous about things like this. So I
Speaker 3: was you know who encouraged me to do it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Anna? Oh yeah, it's typical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's like yoo, yeah.
Speaker 4: She was literally like just you, it'll be fine. She
Speaker 4: helps me like figure out what I was going to
Speaker 4: wear on it, and everything was so funny. Anyways, long
Speaker 4: story short, he comes over and he very cool guy. Him,
Speaker 4: the guy that shot the video or whatever, come over.
Speaker 4: Very cool guys. They're literally only over for maybe twenty
Speaker 4: thirty minutes because there's not well, it's.
Speaker 3: Just you don't have to tour it.
Speaker 2: They about to ask you where your bed was.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, So I have a which is funny
Speaker 4: because this is the most amount of I get dms
Speaker 4: left and right about my Murphy bed, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: it came completely furnished.
Speaker 3: So not completely furnished.
Speaker 2: I bought. Well then totally worth the bright Oh totally
Speaker 2: and there's free WiFi. Oh oh wow great?
Speaker 1: How do you furnish eighty square feet?
Speaker 4: Well, I do want to also say so when I
Speaker 4: was looking at it in twenty nineteen, Amy comes over.
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know what your thoughts were. When I
Speaker 3: showed it to you.
Speaker 2: I thought it was size she gets perfect for you.
Speaker 4: So literally I was like, this is where I want
Speaker 4: to live. So mind you, I lived in an actual
Speaker 4: studio what you're calling it?
Speaker 1: TJ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like, what did I call that place?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: So he lived in basically an empty you I said
Speaker 2: it was a sad divorced man's apartment. Yeah, so I right,
Speaker 2: it was your place day.
Speaker 4: There was nothing like I used to So I consider
Speaker 4: myself a minimalist, as in, I don't own a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff this old place on the Upper east Side. Literally,
Speaker 4: dad nothing hanging on my walls, and I had a
Speaker 4: twin size bed.
Speaker 3: I didn't even have a TV.
Speaker 2: It was so sad.
Speaker 4: And when you take a picture frame, Amy and an
Speaker 4: Ava came to it was that that big blizzard that
Speaker 4: happened and they came to stay at my place that
Speaker 4: one night, and anyways, it was just there's no decorations.
Speaker 4: So long story short, I lived there for ten years,
Speaker 4: you guys on the Upper east Side, and then I
Speaker 4: was just spending all my time down in the West
Speaker 4: Village with our you know, you live down there. Joan
Speaker 4: Preston lived down there. Pretty much everyone lived down there
Speaker 4: that I was hanging out with. I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna try to get downtown. Actually, so I looked at
Speaker 4: so many places, like maybe twenty places in twenty nineteen
Speaker 4: while we're training for the marathon, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, this micro studio pops up on Street Easy
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is the one.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: So I look at it and I actually got approved
Speaker 3: within like a week.
Speaker 2: No one else, no one else, because none of it
Speaker 2: live in.
Speaker 4: Eighty square heats except for actually a very good point.
Speaker 4: So in the sense of so I see it, it's
Speaker 4: I have to show you guys pictures.
Speaker 3: So it's viral. Everyone check it out on callobseay. You
Speaker 3: have five million views or something, which is easy.
Speaker 2: People like it's jaw dropping to see someone living in
Speaker 2: eighty square quakeness.
Speaker 3: And if you read the comments there, so one moaning
Speaker 3: c you have like how many like how many plates
Speaker 3: do you have?
Speaker 2: Lates? I have four plates, three bowls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can literally tell you everything little, but I'm
Speaker 4: just a big So when I lived in Hawaii, I
Speaker 4: racked up a lot of debt, and when I got back,
Speaker 4: I was like, I got to pay off this debt,
Speaker 4: and I ended up selling a bunch of This is
Speaker 4: how I got into minimalism.
Speaker 3: Selling.
Speaker 4: I kept everything from college. I used to actually like
Speaker 4: be a packer. I used to keep every little thing,
Speaker 4: even receipts.
Speaker 3: It was just so weird. So I go back to
Speaker 3: my parents' house.
Speaker 4: I stay there before I moved to Brazil, for a
Speaker 4: few months, for maybe two months with them, and while
Speaker 4: I'm there, I actually sold everything that I wasn't using.
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't need I used to surf,
Speaker 4: I don't need three surfboards. I'm gonna sell them. Am
Speaker 4: I using these? So let me sell these? So I
Speaker 4: actually made enough money to pay off the debt I
Speaker 4: racked up in Hawaii. And it was then that I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't need a lot of stuff. Minimalism
Speaker 4: to me is because one of the biggest comments I
Speaker 4: like left and right, so it goes either or so
Speaker 4: many people saying this is so great? How did you
Speaker 4: get into minimalism? And then there are definitely a lot
Speaker 4: of people are like, oh my gosh, you are crazy.
Speaker 4: Workers are crazy, Like why would people want to pay
Speaker 4: that much to First of all, not everyone.
Speaker 3: Does this, like lives the way I do, but I
Speaker 3: just it was worth it to live.
Speaker 4: I can be at your place in ten minutes, and
Speaker 4: that was I could be at Joe and Preston's place
Speaker 4: in ten minutes, like TJ I could be at your
Speaker 4: place in twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: It's just perfect for you because you were close to
Speaker 2: your friends and like a lot of stuff anyway.
Speaker 3: So it works.
Speaker 2: As much as people might think it's crazy, it absolutely
Speaker 2: works for you and your personality. I want to make
Speaker 2: sure we touch on you travel the same way too.
Speaker 2: You have like I'll have like two bags, you have
Speaker 2: one backpack. We've traveled the world together. We've run marathons together.
Speaker 2: We've climbed mountains together. NICKI was with me when we
Speaker 2: somebody did kill him and Jarrow. We have obviously we've
Speaker 2: run how many.
Speaker 3: Two marathon grown together? Okay for wow, I've wow, I've missed.
Speaker 3: I missed a couple.
Speaker 2: We've done four marathons together. We did the challenge of
Speaker 2: doing Chicago and New York together. And so you have
Speaker 2: been amazing and you weren't even a run or to
Speaker 2: begin with, you became You actually said you would bike
Speaker 2: next to me while I ran on a run. Forward
Speaker 2: to later that year, she's running the New York City
Speaker 2: Marathon with me. So that just speaks to how when
Speaker 2: you put your mind to something and you say you can't,
Speaker 2: it's amazing what you can do. And you've been a
Speaker 2: huge example of that. I want to ask you what
Speaker 2: your next challenge is, because you're always challenging yourself. You
Speaker 2: said you wanted to do trail running, which I think
Speaker 2: is just such a difficult thing to do because we
Speaker 2: hike and we run, but putting them together is a
Speaker 2: very difficult thing. But I'm curious because I don't even
Speaker 2: know the answer to this. What is your next big challenge?
Speaker 2: What do you want to accomplish this year?
Speaker 1: This year?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I think you you nailed it. I would
Speaker 4: love to sign up for a trail race. I was
Speaker 4: supposed to do one a few months ago. I ended
Speaker 4: up not doing it, but I would love to.
Speaker 2: Obviously did one on Staten Island. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: that was I forgot about that. That was the run
Speaker 2: in Sutn Island. Like I mean, I learned in the
Speaker 2: city from you every day.
Speaker 4: So like New York City is like just this big
Speaker 4: playground and when you can find people that you enjoy
Speaker 4: just exploring the city with, it just makes it all
Speaker 4: the more better. And y'all are that to me, like
Speaker 4: all our cool runs that we go do you We're
Speaker 4: gonna go pick up some bean from school here in
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited, And just little things like that.
Speaker 4: But my big, my big next goal, I would say,
Speaker 4: would be a Trail Race, and also I would love
Speaker 4: to get back into doing another mountain. That's definitely. I
Speaker 4: don't know about this year, but I think trail Race
Speaker 4: would probably be top of the list.
Speaker 3: For Yeah, we did cook theos Go together too, so
Speaker 3: we've done two of the seven Summits together with.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We Yeah, the weather, the web, it was why we
Speaker 2: climbed the comitted, the second and third highest peaks in
Speaker 2: the Alps.
Speaker 3: And that was actually the hardest thing I've ever done
Speaker 3: in my life.
Speaker 4: That was very difficult. We were that rying, actually harder
Speaker 4: than I was bawling the entire time. Conditions were rough
Speaker 4: because we got to do two and you got to
Speaker 4: do I know, we felt like, yeah, it was pretty tough.
Speaker 4: I want to Also, there's so many I said she
Speaker 4: was a unicorn in Yoda.
Speaker 2: You are officially now not single, But the entire time
Speaker 2: I have known you, you have been single, and you
Speaker 2: were officially single, like never had a boyfriend correct, correct
Speaker 2: until you were thirty nine years old, till I was
Speaker 2: there changed for you.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Well honestly, so up until then, I've always been this
Speaker 4: this unicorn as you call it or whatever, I have
Speaker 4: always just like lived like my motto is played by year.
Speaker 4: I love to just go with the flow. Just what
Speaker 4: my friend group is everything to me. But it was
Speaker 4: just right time, right place, this amazing guy that I'm dating,
Speaker 4: who I know because of you, Aby, it was just
Speaker 4: the right time and the right person. Honestly, just the
Speaker 4: right person. He's the one of the most amazing people
Speaker 4: have I just literally was just telling him this yesterday.
Speaker 4: He's one of the best souls, one of the kindest,
Speaker 4: most Jenner people you will ever meet. And we have
Speaker 4: so much fun together. We're just exploring the city together
Speaker 4: and he's very adventurous too. He loves to hike mountains.
Speaker 4: He he and I spontaneously ran a race two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: We signed up for it the day before. He did
Speaker 4: the five k and I did a half marathon.
Speaker 2: And you need to be spontaneous to be with you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that that's a big thing for me. I
Speaker 2: love just like everyone.
Speaker 4: Tatiana was actually like, talk about play it by your Nikki,
Speaker 4: because I was telling her I was going to be
Speaker 4: on this. But you know, from the beginning, I've always
Speaker 4: been like, let's play it by her. You never know
Speaker 4: when your last day on Earth is or anything, or
Speaker 4: how even just this day will end. Let's just feel
Speaker 4: it out, let's play it by your let's go with
Speaker 4: the flow and just see you know where the wind
Speaker 4: takes us. And I've always been that way ever since
Speaker 4: I was young.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm so happy for you. It's so happy
Speaker 3: to see you.
Speaker 2: In love and with someone who I have always admired,
Speaker 2: who I've done a lot of traveling with. I climed
Speaker 2: Mount Fuji with him. Actually, so sorry, the perfect I
Speaker 2: love seeing the two of you together. It's amazing. And
Speaker 2: something else I want to point out, you actually were
Speaker 2: the only person probably who was witnessed to TJ and I.
Speaker 3: I believe so was.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who have a lot of
Speaker 2: timelines in their mind or what they think happened or what,
Speaker 2: but you know, you saw it all happen. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I saw it happen. I actually, I will say this.
Speaker 2: I had one one of your loyal fans.
Speaker 4: She literally was like, one day, you should be on
Speaker 4: the podcast, and I'd be like, ha ha, Hai would
Speaker 4: be terrible on her podcast because I'm a nervous person.
Speaker 4: But she literally wrote this the other day. Shout out
Speaker 4: to this random very kind stranger. But she was like
Speaker 4: talk about like how how how you guessed that they
Speaker 4: were together? And I this is how I guessed because
Speaker 4: I never saw you happier. I never saw you happier.
Speaker 2: Because TJ has mentioned a couple of times, and I
Speaker 2: understand he was you know, he didn't know that you knew,
Speaker 2: but you guessed, and you you came to me and
Speaker 2: I couldn't lie.
Speaker 4: There was you couldn't lie. There was just a new
Speaker 4: sparkle in your eye and I just knew that. And
Speaker 4: that was fall of twenty e was fall twenty two.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, yep, fall of twenty right or the cameras
Speaker 2: caught us and I hate oh, I didn't say caught
Speaker 2: us right before the cameras documented something we wanted to
Speaker 2: keep private.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So I knew from the very beginning. I remember
Speaker 4: you calling me telling me about like, you know, all
Speaker 4: the new changes with you know, everything that was going
Speaker 4: on back in August, which you have you know, publicly
Speaker 4: talked about too. But it was until September of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two then I was just like started to notice something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just saw how much more light you were?
Speaker 3: Is that okay to say?
Speaker 4: Just like you were just happier and in the sense
Speaker 4: of just you were like, what's going on? Yeah, I
Speaker 4: was like, tell me, tell it, Like how do I
Speaker 4: find this?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But then I just being with you guys, I've been
Speaker 4: I was just telling Chris this the other day. You
Speaker 4: guys are my family. You so being ava anna DJ
Speaker 4: oh my good, it's TJ. You guys are my family.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: And I that is at the end of the day
Speaker 4: to me, like I'm a minimalist, I don't have much,
Speaker 4: but I am rich because I have of a chosen
Speaker 4: family of want my actual family.
Speaker 3: I'm very close to them too. To me, that is
Speaker 3: what life is.
Speaker 4: It's it's connection, it's community, it's real deep friendship that
Speaker 4: we're talking about real life stuff with. It's not just
Speaker 4: just having fun. Yes, we can have fun, but it's
Speaker 4: deep talk. Even just before we started the podcast, we
Speaker 4: were talking about like deep talk and you're immediately You're like,
Speaker 4: you want to come pick the bean up. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 4: I do. Like that's just such an honor, you know,
Speaker 4: to be just trusted And like I recently read somewhere
Speaker 4: in one of my self help books, I love self
Speaker 4: help books. People just want to be seen, safe and supported,
Speaker 4: and I feel like that with y'all. I know I
Speaker 4: have my community out here, and that's what makes me
Speaker 4: internally rich, is that I can live in a tiny,
Speaker 4: little micro It makes me happy because I get to
Speaker 4: see you guys every day, and that to me is joy, and.
Speaker 3: That, to me is life. So I texted DJ scene,
Speaker 3: what is it? Scene supported?
Speaker 2: Safe?
Speaker 3: Scenes supported? I said, I said it wrong. I just
Speaker 3: screwed it up. But I might have.
Speaker 2: Ours for I think you. Yeah, we were talking about
Speaker 2: that yesterday, nicky Uh, I think everyone. I'm glad everyone
Speaker 2: gets to meet you and know you because you are
Speaker 2: such a special soul. And thank you for getting over
Speaker 2: your nerves. I know that you weren't exactly you know,
Speaker 2: thrilled about performing and you're not performing. I said, you
Speaker 2: just have to talk about you, which is what Anily
Speaker 2: told you as well. And so we just we want
Speaker 2: to thank you for always being a part of our family.
Speaker 2: You are our family. I mean TJ has said that
Speaker 2: plenty of times.
Speaker 1: Well again, think about scenes. I'd spend more time with you,
Speaker 1: and you're more of a part of her family than
Speaker 1: many of her relatives are. So I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: the way things have gone. But yeah, it's she doesn't
Speaker 1: know life without you. So I'll say that publicly and
Speaker 1: how much I love you and adore you and thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll say that publicly, but I say it to you
Speaker 1: privately too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are the sister that I've never had, and
Speaker 2: you were an aunt to my daughters.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I call them my big little sister niece.
Speaker 4: That's what I call them, because I learned from them too,
Speaker 4: and soon that will be so being in the sense
Speaker 4: of a big little sister me or whatever, just his
Speaker 4: little sister that sounds like a new taller than me
Speaker 4: and a wiser than me more wise, definitely. But I
Speaker 4: learn a lot from them. And but thank you, guys.
Speaker 3: Let's go to lunch.
Speaker 2: Okay, we love you. We gotta get to being.
Speaker 3: We gotta go to lunch.
Speaker 2: But thank you, thank you, thank you. I love you.
Speaker 3: Having on, I love you, guys.