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Speaker 1: out with Winter. I'm joined by my partial intrepid crew.
Speaker 1: But boy, just the two of them together, they're super intrepid.
Speaker 1: Susan French, Amy Sugarman, Danielle Romo and tarasuit A on assignment.
Speaker 1: So gang, here we go. Okay, we're at the episodes
Speaker 1: and I have so many thoughts. I made so many notes.
Speaker 1: I have pages and pages and page. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to compare notes.
Speaker 4: iHeart podcasts.
Speaker 3: Listen on the iHeartRadio app number one. How did you
Speaker 3: feel about it?
Speaker 1: I felt a lot of ways, positive and negative.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: I felt that it was a film, So I analyzed
Speaker 1: it as a film. A ninety minute film has a
Speaker 1: different structure than an hour or a forty minute television series.
Speaker 1: It's a whole different writing structure and act structure. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what I did was, did.
Speaker 2: I like a film?
Speaker 3: Shot like a film?
Speaker 1: It shot like a film. It looks like a film
Speaker 1: Stars Hollow never looked better. Stars. It really looked great
Speaker 1: on film.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: What an opening? Wow, Wow wow, even.
Speaker 3: Keep from the start it looks gorgeous, like leveled up
Speaker 3: from the most beautiful the TV show ever looked. That
Speaker 3: was my first note was like, Wow, this looks amazing.
Speaker 1: And then my second question, Well, your second question might be,
Speaker 1: how are they going to do a TV show as
Speaker 1: a film? How's that going to work? Because it's a
Speaker 1: different rhythm, it's a different cadence, it's a slower build,
Speaker 1: but there are bigger moments that need to happen at
Speaker 1: very specific time periods in order to keep an audience engaged.
Speaker 1: No matter what the fan base feels about the show,
Speaker 1: they still need to be structurally entertained and led down
Speaker 1: a certain path, like the act break between one and
Speaker 1: two thirty minutes in. There has to be something that
Speaker 1: propels and surprises the audience and the energy going into
Speaker 1: Act two. Now, you got to get through a really
Speaker 1: long act too into an act three, right, So how
Speaker 1: do you get through act too? And is there going
Speaker 1: to be a midpoint scene? Is there gonna I'm probably
Speaker 1: getting too wonky here.
Speaker 3: Interesting, I didn't think about any of this, not one
Speaker 3: thing that you're.
Speaker 1: Saying, Well, I I was. I was searching for all
Speaker 1: of these markers and writing down time stamps as I watched,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to go back and see if they'd
Speaker 1: actually executed on these very basic screenwriting film screenwriting structural
Speaker 1: dictates that must happen in a film in order for
Speaker 1: it to be successful. There was a lot that they did,
Speaker 1: and there was some that they missed, but I have
Speaker 1: to say, overall, just to sit back and watch it,
Speaker 1: I laughed and I laughed, and I laughed and I laughed,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was some of the best pop
Speaker 1: culture stuff we've ever seen. It's some of the best
Speaker 1: jokes we've ever heard. It's some of the best performances
Speaker 1: we've ever seen by everybody. I thought everybody looked great
Speaker 1: on film and performed great on film. I thought that
Speaker 1: direction was amazing. I thought I thought the writing in
Speaker 1: certain aspects was the best we've seen.
Speaker 3: Hold on so many things to say, I'm so glad
Speaker 3: you brought up pop culture. Pop culture was so good again,
Speaker 3: and you realized that it was off in season seven.
Speaker 3: There were moments, fun, little mentions, but it wasn't organically
Speaker 3: streamed in and immediately that was back. So I thought
Speaker 3: that was brilliant. That's my green flag. I have two
Speaker 3: red flags, but I will get to them in a second,
Speaker 3: but I want to keep going everything you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Do you remember if you shot it in chronological order?
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, we were block shooting this, which meant.
Speaker 3: Because there was some show that was shot in chronological order,
Speaker 3: and for some reason, I thought it was this one.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Let me tell you how ambitious
Speaker 1: this shooting schedule was three and a half months shooting
Speaker 1: schedule to do four ninety minute films.
Speaker 4: That's hazing.
Speaker 3: I read that you shot only from February to May.
Speaker 1: Okay, so here we were shooting four different seas in
Speaker 1: one single day. It was a logistical nightmare. You needed
Speaker 1: to have. You needed to be so organizing. I mean,
Speaker 1: imagine what it was like on Brenda, Maven and Wardrobe.
Speaker 3: Winter, Spring, Fall, Summer, all at the same time.
Speaker 1: All in one day. That happened a lot, wow, where
Speaker 1: you didn't know where you were. So you know, Amy
Speaker 1: and I don't. Amy did not direct every episode, she couldn't,
Speaker 1: but I think it was an Amy day in tandem.
Speaker 1: And then I can't even remember who did the other
Speaker 1: direct You.
Speaker 3: Got the script, you got all four all at once.
Speaker 2: And shred it like a big, big right, right.
Speaker 1: And since I don't know the other three, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen them. I've seen Winter before at the premiere the
Speaker 1: time you've seen Winter, Yes, it was a second time,
Speaker 1: but I saw that in twenty sixteen, and I was
Speaker 1: blown away by it. I thought it was great because
Speaker 1: I saw it up on the big screen westward. Huh.
Speaker 3: I had not watched these since twenty sixteen either, And
Speaker 3: as Suzanne promised, they're way better.
Speaker 1: You know, this film could have competed in a romantic
Speaker 1: comedy category at whatever awards ceremony, because it was really
Speaker 1: fine stuff. I mean, how often do you see this
Speaker 1: kind of quality in any type of rom com Now.
Speaker 1: I think the reason was, you know, hey, this is
Speaker 1: part one of a part four part story, so it's
Speaker 1: a it's it's a it's not a trilogy.
Speaker 3: We know these people, we know these people. So there
Speaker 3: was a lot of like, oh hello.
Speaker 1: That first sweeping, you know, getting into the and there's
Speaker 1: this beautiful you know showing stars hollowing and reintroducing all
Speaker 1: the characters, and there's Rory and Laurli you know, bantering
Speaker 1: away and pop culturing away, and and then we see
Speaker 1: you know, we see even Rose, we see Kirk, we
Speaker 1: see mss Patty, we see you know a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And then we've seen Grantly Buffalo, Grantly Phillips playing that
Speaker 1: beautiful song and he gets to play a lot of
Speaker 1: the song and then he hits a chord and it
Speaker 1: transitions into a nighttime scene with you and and and
Speaker 1: Laura I and Rory going into their house with an
Speaker 1: orchestrated version of the song. So I thought, that's a
Speaker 1: movie thing, a couple of things. So it's really really cool.
Speaker 3: Where the show begins, you hear the roats and there
Speaker 3: there's a story.
Speaker 2: Great, there's a story of that that when you get
Speaker 2: you get all the feels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. So there's a who knows if it's true
Speaker 3: or not, a story that when you all were at
Speaker 3: at X, that somebody asked the question, what's your favorite
Speaker 3: line and like me or what line do people quote
Speaker 3: to you the most? And you all could like couldn't
Speaker 3: quite answer, so they started shouting out lines from the audience.
Speaker 3: Do you remember this at all? Not really? So there's
Speaker 3: a rumor or an urban legend that that's why she
Speaker 3: started with those iconic lines. But anyway, before we get
Speaker 3: into it, I do need to give my first very
Speaker 3: large red flag. Okay, really, it's just very almost why
Speaker 3: I think I did not like it the first time
Speaker 3: I watched this, and I and I don't want to
Speaker 3: be mean. I do not want to be mean because
Speaker 3: it's not just you, it's and I don't want to
Speaker 3: insult the person whose job this was. The hair is
Speaker 3: terrible on me and Lauren there are That is why
Speaker 3: I know it's horrible, horrible, But Lauren's hair in parts,
Speaker 3: not every scene is Czar.
Speaker 4: So Susanna, I actually loved Lauren's hair.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I it.
Speaker 3: Took me out of the whole thing. So when she's
Speaker 3: in the bedroom scenes and her hair is up, it's
Speaker 3: totally normal, and I'm like, there's Lorli right, the hair
Speaker 3: that is like bouffante m.
Speaker 4: I thought it was killing when she had it like
Speaker 4: kind of pulled back at the crown in a like
Speaker 4: sort of a ponyes. I don't know. I wouldn't expect
Speaker 4: her to be wearing her hair the same way eight
Speaker 4: years later.
Speaker 3: So I should have because the hair.
Speaker 1: So bad?
Speaker 3: Okay, so anyway, and your hair like, just let you
Speaker 3: be you. Those were the two things that I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 1: No Amy was very insistent that because I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody wants to look at a ball spot.
Speaker 3: You know, did they get you a good one?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty good. You should have seeing
Speaker 1: what they stuck me for the Entertainment Weekly cover shoot.
Speaker 1: I mean that looked like a dead raccoon on my head.
Speaker 2: You've seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I optediz and I don't think it was
Speaker 1: just you.
Speaker 3: I am telling you. We'll look at some photos. Lauren's
Speaker 3: hair not good now, one more green flag before we
Speaker 3: start the fashion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, so pretty much superior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and out of ten those are Stella McCartney. She's
Speaker 3: wearing a Stella McCartney dress, Like the Leap of Leopards
Speaker 3: is a Stella McCartney.
Speaker 1: Because because they had the budget and plus it's now
Speaker 1: it's Netflix. Now it's on another level. Do you know
Speaker 1: what it was like walking onto the sound stage at
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers on the on day one of those Netflix episodes,
Speaker 1: Day one day one, I walk on to the sound
Speaker 1: stage that we normally shoot shot on prior seven years
Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand and seven, and it was
Speaker 1: like the entire technology of camera equipment and the movie
Speaker 1: business had changed radically. I'd never seen so much equipment.
Speaker 1: I thought the budget on this must be you know,
Speaker 1: it felt like a real film or big budget film
Speaker 1: we're walking into here because of the assistance and the
Speaker 1: kind of equipment that you see set up and the
Speaker 1: cameras and the cranes, and I'm like, wow, what are
Speaker 1: they doing here? This is amazing. You know, she got
Speaker 1: all tingly. We got all tingly right away, so they
Speaker 1: had budget, you know, so it doesn't surprise me the
Speaker 1: Brenda Mayven you know yet a we can really dress
Speaker 1: these characters up now, you know, unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Susanne, what was your overall thought before we start?
Speaker 4: I I loved it. I could see how somebody, especially
Speaker 4: that opening. I could see how somebody who watched it
Speaker 4: in the first round and has been waiting eight years
Speaker 4: for this, like it just like slams you right in
Speaker 4: the face and you're it was awesome. And then it
Speaker 4: goes to the winter scene of the town. I loved
Speaker 4: the opening. The dialogue was freaking hilarious, Like if you
Speaker 4: turn the captions on, because it just flies by so
Speaker 4: fast you almost have to have the captioning on to
Speaker 4: get all the jokes that the dialogue was hilarious and
Speaker 4: to your point about the pop culture amy as I
Speaker 4: was watching it. I watched it a couple times over
Speaker 4: the past week, and I was thinking, I can't wait
Speaker 4: till we do pop culture on the podcast because I
Speaker 4: don't even I didn't even get I didn't even understand
Speaker 4: half of it, So like, I can't wait to learn
Speaker 4: something about the pop culture because I don't even know
Speaker 4: what these references are. I really loved it. My one
Speaker 4: red flag is it really bothered me how they almost
Speaker 4: seemed to dumb Luke down with the whole thing about
Speaker 4: having sex with the surrogates, like funny the first time,
Speaker 4: the third and fourth time, it just was like, he's
Speaker 4: not stupid, Like I just that that bothered me that
Speaker 4: they kind of made Luke into a dunce on that
Speaker 4: whole topic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was idiotic.
Speaker 1: Well they they they I have some issues with the
Speaker 1: Yeah that the Luke destruction, the character destruction was whole
Speaker 1: hog as they say.
Speaker 4: So that was that was my red flag. Although I
Speaker 4: have to say One of my favorite Luke lines is
Speaker 4: from this episode because it just like tugs at my
Speaker 4: heart and it was, well, I'll get I can't remember
Speaker 4: what seen it was in right now. It was when
Speaker 4: they were in the diner. We'll get to it.
Speaker 3: We'll get to it, I think, I remember. I think
Speaker 3: I know your time about So let's go to the synopsis.
Speaker 3: I guess the only other red flag I have is
Speaker 3: there a couple scenes and I'll call him out where
Speaker 3: I felt like, man, these people can't even do it
Speaker 3: this fast anymore? Are And there was the one scene
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. There's one scene in the kitchen with Luke,
Speaker 3: Lorel and Rory that I thought, this is a little weird.
Speaker 3: They just are not there yet.
Speaker 1: You mean the first scene in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: Where you're making dinner.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what you know. What popped in my head.
Speaker 1: I thought those kitchen scenes because it was one with
Speaker 1: lor Lyon and Rory coming in and meet greeting Rory
Speaker 1: and then going into a rant about her eating and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then Paul sly I thought that
Speaker 1: was Broadway level acting and and blocking. And then I
Speaker 1: thought this could work as a musical, and I don't
Speaker 1: know why Amy doesn't write a musical version of Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 1: because I think it could really work, actually, because that's
Speaker 1: how it stays acted, you know what I'm saying. I thought,
Speaker 1: I actually thought those scenes were beautifully executed and beautifully act.
Speaker 1: All parties well, well, I think I think they probably
Speaker 1: was odd to see Luke in that kitchen making dinner,
Speaker 1: greeting Rory and then launching into a rant right away
Speaker 1: over something. So I mean, you know, it's it's one
Speaker 1: of the Gilmore Girls tropes, isn't it. It's it's don't
Speaker 1: don't eat you're eating junk and don't do that, and
Speaker 1: it just it just made scene, but it made him
Speaker 1: seem like sort of a you know, a bad imitation
Speaker 1: of the old character. Right, yeah, it's almost like it's Netflix.
Speaker 1: Luke had no resemblance to.
Speaker 3: The Hearts where you're correct hearts where I'm like ah,
Speaker 3: and parts are I'm like h. So in general I
Speaker 3: thought they were this this Winter. I've only watched Winter again,
Speaker 3: but this was so much better eight years later. It's
Speaker 3: really really good. But it left me feeling is melancholy
Speaker 3: the right word. I was definitely sad when it ended
Speaker 3: because I'm like, it made me want another bring it
Speaker 3: back again.
Speaker 1: So here's here's here's the issue with this. This what
Speaker 1: I thought the Palladinos did particularly well is deal with
Speaker 1: the passing of ed Herman and how they incorporated that
Speaker 1: in the show and honoring the character and that because
Speaker 1: I kept asking myself in the first act, I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is this film going to be about? And I
Speaker 1: know build in fan base, but we don't know where
Speaker 1: the story is going, right, you know, we have no idea.
Speaker 1: So there's got to be a story to tell. What
Speaker 1: are they what story are they going to tell? Besides
Speaker 1: regurgitating old stuff and and reintroducing the characters and familiar situations. Well,
Speaker 1: we've got to honor the passing of the gigantic presence
Speaker 1: that is Richard Gilmour, who's.
Speaker 3: No longer there, died a couple years earlier.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 3: I think like he had died, just passed away. I
Speaker 3: think in let's say twenty.
Speaker 2: Fourteen, right right.
Speaker 1: So there, now we're getting into one of the most uplifting, positive,
Speaker 1: family orientated shows in the history of television. And now
Speaker 1: we have to deal with death, and we have to
Speaker 1: deal with death in a real way, and that's something
Speaker 1: we're asking the producers are asking the audience to hook into,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure they did and they wanted to. And
Speaker 1: I thought it was a beautiful honor, I agree, a
Speaker 1: beautiful memorial for ed Herman. And I thought all of
Speaker 1: that funeral stuff, the flashback sequence was filmed beautifully and
Speaker 1: they didn't take too much time with it. They took
Speaker 1: just enough time, and they really honored the man and
Speaker 1: the legend that ed Herman was and remained in monsilian.
Speaker 3: Nad because he had passed away.
Speaker 1: Right, But that still doesn't answer the question, what is
Speaker 1: this movie going to be about? Okay, now it's going
Speaker 1: to be about. It's a it's a mother daughter thing,
Speaker 1: it's a Lorelei and it's an Emily thing. That's what
Speaker 1: this is going to be about. But it developed very slowly,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter with this show. Okay, if you're
Speaker 1: just watching it as an you've never seen Gilmore gros before, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch this movie. You're sitting there going what
Speaker 1: the hell is going on?
Speaker 3: You would have enjoyed it if you'd never see I still.
Speaker 1: Think you would have enjoyed it as hell. I know,
Speaker 1: I think you would have. I think the humor alone
Speaker 1: gets you through the lack of structure or the lack
Speaker 1: of execution on structure points that you need to hit
Speaker 1: your first act or second people. But I but they're
Speaker 1: every But they're charming enough and engaging enough and crafted
Speaker 1: as actors beautifully right, and all these this great writing
Speaker 1: and all these funny jokes that you're going to stay
Speaker 1: in it, And that's what kept me in.
Speaker 3: I think it would be tough because some of the reveals,
Speaker 3: which we'll get to, you'd be like, is this person
Speaker 3: my only other red flag is Paul?
Speaker 4: Like really, yeah, that's just surd that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 4: It's just sur He was supposed to be there for
Speaker 4: comic effect, I think. But at the same time, like
Speaker 4: you really felt bad for him.
Speaker 3: And just it was ridiculous. I'm like, this is not
Speaker 3: this is ridiculous, just like the surrogate stuff was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: But I think Luke knows exactly what a surrogate is
Speaker 3: and how that works. Ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the one time I had serious concerns and
Speaker 1: I addressed those concerns directly with Amy about this surrogate
Speaker 1: stuff and particularly this meeting with Paris and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I just thought, this is so off and I really
Speaker 1: need to speak up. You were correct, because that wasn't
Speaker 1: really a show that you spoke up right, you know
Speaker 1: you didn't, you know what I'm saying. I mean, we
Speaker 1: were just there to do the great writing, not to
Speaker 1: question it. Anyway.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed We'll go to the Anomos, the pall stuff.
Speaker 1: For me, I liked because that's what it reminded me.
Speaker 1: It made it feel like Broadway. So this is a
Speaker 1: Broadway musical or this is a Broadway comedy. Because it
Speaker 1: was so broad and a little bit preposterous, it just
Speaker 1: so for me, it kind of worked, and I enjoyed
Speaker 1: his performance, and I thought it was really funny when
Speaker 1: she came back into the Dinasta.
Speaker 2: I think the difference is.
Speaker 3: I don't want Broadway. Like I get what you're saying,
Speaker 3: and I could see how she could totally do that,
Speaker 3: but like, I don't want Broadway.
Speaker 4: And I won't know how.
Speaker 1: Long a Gilmore Girl's Musical would run on Broadway. It might,
Speaker 1: it might break Cat's record, or if there's a new record,
Speaker 1: it is. Cat's the record holder for consecutive show run
Speaker 1: She's doing Once Upon.
Speaker 3: A Mantress right now. So she obviously likes Broadway.
Speaker 1: Well, there's no question. I mean she's doing it with
Speaker 1: Sutton Foster, right.
Speaker 3: I just don't want Broadway. I want Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Broadways a good way to go with it,
Speaker 1: and you like it. I think it would be hysterically
Speaker 1: funny and a great time.
Speaker 3: Well, I know we need we'll get into the scene
Speaker 3: by scene. But for me, this left me just wanting more,
Speaker 3: not just wanting the three more movies, but wanting more
Speaker 3: and more and more.
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 3: This made me want the show to come back so bad.
Speaker 1: The Phantom of the Opera is the Broadway consecutive run champion.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is a Year in the Life episode one,
Speaker 4: which was Winter and this aired on November twenty fifth
Speaker 4: to twenty sixteen. I think they released all four episodes
Speaker 4: on that date, didn't they Just wondering that I think
Speaker 4: they did.
Speaker 1: They binged it, Yeah, they want to be able to
Speaker 1: binge it.
Speaker 4: Rory pays a visit to Stars Hollow, London, and New
Speaker 4: York City as she is trying to make her next career.
Speaker 3: She really travels between those cities like they're five minutes apart,
Speaker 3: but anyway, right exactly, And.
Speaker 4: The episode is several months long, so it makes it
Speaker 4: look like she's just flitting from place to place, but
Speaker 4: I think it's like weeks in between.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we need it, We need some
Speaker 1: better time ellipses there, because it was, yeah, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, she was in stars Hollow and the scene
Speaker 1: before she was in London, very confused.
Speaker 4: Emily copes with Richard's death and ends up roping Laurelai
Speaker 4: into her healing journey. Luke and Laureli are settled in
Speaker 4: as a couple. It's been several years now, but is
Speaker 4: there something they are missing?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, let's go through it, and as we
Speaker 1: hit these beats, well we'll get into it. So so
Speaker 1: take us through Lady French.
Speaker 4: So we kind of already talked about the opening credits.
Speaker 3: I really loved that with and there's the line where
Speaker 3: they oh, sorry, the is this before the line where
Speaker 3: she says, I haven't done that in a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is where it's just the sayings and it's okay.
Speaker 4: All the whole seven seasons are like rushing back into
Speaker 4: your head as they're like throwing out these these phrases,
Speaker 4: and then it goes into the crane shot of the
Speaker 4: whole town. It's just typical stars, hollow, charmingness, and Laurla
Speaker 4: even made a comment about how it's built inside a
Speaker 4: giant snow globe, like that visually was a good reference.
Speaker 4: And then this is where she makes that comment Amy
Speaker 4: about haven't done that for a while.
Speaker 3: That was like, I just felt like maybe I wasn't
Speaker 3: ready for it. It felt like a hinge off, but
Speaker 3: I still was really happy to be there. I just
Speaker 3: felt like they don't quite have their bearings yet right.
Speaker 1: It felt it felt a little forced at the top
Speaker 1: because it just it just hit right away and it's
Speaker 1: like a rush of pop culture things. But it was
Speaker 1: kind of thrilling and great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thrilling is a great word.
Speaker 4: And then the Rory running around town trying to get
Speaker 4: a cell phone signal, like they had decent cell phone
Speaker 4: service seven years ago. Why is it all of a
Speaker 4: sudden she can't get it?
Speaker 1: And I was sort of anxious that she was going
Speaker 1: to get hit by a car. I didn't like that.
Speaker 3: Climbing into docees and tossing the cabbage. I was like,
Speaker 3: he was sort of cute and sort it up.
Speaker 4: It was a little frantic for me.
Speaker 3: Hashtag trying too hard is what I like.
Speaker 1: The camera movement inside of dosies. At the top of
Speaker 1: the cans, you see the camera moving. It's just a
Speaker 1: whole different a great feel and look of that.
Speaker 3: I like kind of having her move around town. But
Speaker 3: there was just a few moments of hashtag trying too hard.
Speaker 1: I liked it. It was a movie. I liked it.
Speaker 1: It was a movie because this was a movie. This
Speaker 1: wasn't a television episode. It was a film.
Speaker 3: I've always called the movies. I think it's four movies.
Speaker 4: So in the market, then we get to see Lane.
Speaker 4: It was good to see her again. We find out
Speaker 4: that Zach has gotten a promotion and no one is
Speaker 4: happy about that.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: Sorry. And then back in the town square we see
Speaker 4: Kirk all right, it's just great to see all the
Speaker 4: town uber Ye.
Speaker 3: Super funny and totally plays as well today like it's
Speaker 3: still funny today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's got a pig now because Babet overheard
Speaker 4: him and Lulu talking about having kids, so the town
Speaker 4: bought them a pig instead.
Speaker 3: We're about eight years later now, right, So eight years
Speaker 3: between season seven in the movies. Eight years between the
Speaker 3: movies and now.
Speaker 1: So and now I realize this. The town has gotten
Speaker 1: together and conspired in order to that Kirk and Lulu
Speaker 1: do not have children. Do you find that a little on?
Speaker 1: Like they got them a pig so that they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have kids? Why don't they want those two to have kids?
Speaker 3: Back a town would want them to have kids? That
Speaker 3: didn't really track. I mean, it's fine, No, I thought
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: I thought it was in character for the town because
Speaker 4: you can't have more than one Kirk running around like
Speaker 4: that would be alarming storyline that they would have had
Speaker 4: a kid.
Speaker 1: I just thought it went against the DNA of the show.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree. I don't think town
Speaker 3: wanted them to have a kid. Yeah, they don't care.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't mind the pig.
Speaker 1: I thought it was.
Speaker 4: Okay, it was great.
Speaker 1: But it's just the attitude that they don't want their
Speaker 1: consciously blocking those two from.
Speaker 3: Heavy and why would La not get to have a kid.
Speaker 1: That's not denying somebody children. It's just weird.
Speaker 3: That was like weird, but yet whatever, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 4: And then my favorite part of this scene was getting
Speaker 4: the Troubadour singing Winter Glow, because that was one of
Speaker 4: my favorite songs from the original series, the whole Winter
Speaker 4: Festival vibe.
Speaker 3: I really little tidbit that I heard is that it's
Speaker 3: also sort of a tribute to Carol King the way
Speaker 3: they are winter, spring, summer, and fall. Yes, winter springs.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is call and I'll be there.
Speaker 3: So that was cool.
Speaker 4: And then we also got in this scene the famous
Speaker 4: I smell snow start snow really shot.
Speaker 1: So it was beautiful. It was just wow. The whole
Speaker 1: thing was wow.
Speaker 4: And then we go to the Lord.
Speaker 1: I kept thinking of myself, jeez, I was in that show.
Speaker 1: It's pretty fancy stuff.
Speaker 4: Then we go to Lorlai in Luke's house, which is
Speaker 4: all decorated, it's all it up for Christmas.
Speaker 3: Did a color or was that me? Did the house
Speaker 3: change color or was that?
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure.
Speaker 4: It had double door?
Speaker 3: Was it ever yellow and now it's blue? Was it
Speaker 3: ever yellow?
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was.
Speaker 3: And some reason I was like, oh, the house is
Speaker 3: a different color.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think it was young, but yeah,
Speaker 4: but it has double doors. Now there were two, I
Speaker 4: know there were two wreaths front doors are different. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 3: Good note.
Speaker 4: And so they walk in the house and and Rory
Speaker 4: calls out the dancing Rabbi that was from the original series.
Speaker 3: Me that again, what happens there?
Speaker 4: The dancing Rabbi, the singing Rabbi.
Speaker 3: He was in the original series, She said, do you remember?
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I think okay, yeah, okay. And so
Speaker 4: Luke is in the kitchen. He's super proud, all excited
Speaker 4: about that's when that scene you were talking about where
Speaker 4: he's you know, having his rant about the food they're eating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this scene I did not like.
Speaker 1: It was a little like, again, it'sonistic towards Luke. Why
Speaker 1: is he being mocked for being so proud of Rory's accomplishments.
Speaker 1: It's all I don't know. I think maybe mocked is
Speaker 1: too strong a word, but but it's like more on
Speaker 1: warning you. He's super proud, super proud, and it's like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't he be Why can't can he revel in
Speaker 1: celebrating this gifted young girl that he had a little
Speaker 1: bit to do with, uh bringing up you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, or while not raising but being able, But
Speaker 1: yes he did, and he it.
Speaker 3: Was very lucash to be so proud of it that
Speaker 3: I'm like, you were teasing you. It wasn't that didn't
Speaker 3: totally bother me, But it.
Speaker 4: Was like, yeah, it didn't really bother I mean, that's
Speaker 4: how I would have expected Luke to be. I didn't
Speaker 4: think they were necessarily mocking him. It was, but yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe teasing is.
Speaker 3: A better A little bit too much. Yeah, it had
Speaker 3: enough of it.
Speaker 4: There was some overkill, but I thought it was kind
Speaker 4: of cute, like he was really proud of her. And
Speaker 4: it kind of also makes you realize as the viewer
Speaker 4: that now all these years have gone by and this
Speaker 4: is the first really big thing that Rory's done. Like
Speaker 4: that's what it said to me more than anything else,
Speaker 4: was Okay, maybe she didn't hit with this amazing success
Speaker 4: us on the Obama campaign eight years earlier, because if
Speaker 4: she'd been having all these amazing successes all the way along,
Speaker 4: Luke wouldn't be so excited about this one. Like that
Speaker 4: kind of told me, Okay, maybe she's not.
Speaker 3: This is a little bit of a flag. It's almost
Speaker 3: like eight years have passed, but they're pretending very little
Speaker 3: time has passed. Not really, do you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 3: timeline wise.
Speaker 1: That's the question.
Speaker 2: Eight years have passed, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't eight years, right, it was because it was
Speaker 1: or whatever years.
Speaker 3: And I think that that's the thing they're grappling with, right,
Speaker 3: because it's like in the in the timeline, it's been
Speaker 3: eight years, but in the storyline, it feels like it's
Speaker 3: been less time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when they were in the town square, there was
Speaker 4: a sign in the background that said welcome to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: So I think we're meant to think this is like
Speaker 4: right after New Year's in twenty sixteen. I've also, I'm
Speaker 4: so read and I don't know if this is true
Speaker 4: or not, but I've read that the Palladinos did not
Speaker 4: watch season seven, so they're really continuing the story from
Speaker 4: where they left it at the end of season six,
Speaker 4: So that could be part of it too.
Speaker 3: They didn't want to go eight years later, even though
Speaker 3: they knew they had to, because that's why the Kirk
Speaker 3: and Lulu thing is so jarring. Had it been one
Speaker 3: or two years, it's kind of amusic eight years later, like,
Speaker 3: let these people have a baby. They've been married forever,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Or together forever. And
Speaker 3: same thing with Rory, like her not having an apartment.
Speaker 3: They're all like crazy about it. It's like she's thirty
Speaker 3: two years old, Like she should probably have an apartment somewhere.
Speaker 3: Like there were some things that seemed a little flaggy,
Speaker 3: like storing your stuff at your mom's when you're thirty
Speaker 3: two is kind of weird, but when you're twenty four,
Speaker 3: like it's almost like in their storyline, they only wanted
Speaker 3: a few years, a couple of years to have passed.
Speaker 4: Right, And two other points to contribute to that. One
Speaker 4: is that Luke and Laurel I have not had a
Speaker 4: kid yet, which I have not even had a conversation
Speaker 4: about having a kid, which is weird and you wouldn't
Speaker 4: even have a conversation. And then the very not to
Speaker 4: jump ahead, but the very end of the fourth season
Speaker 4: or the fourth you know episode also is not what
Speaker 4: you would expect from a thirty two year old.
Speaker 1: But do the math. Let's do the math. Though at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the two thousand first season, Laurela is
Speaker 1: supposed to be thirty two, right, correct, seven seasons now,
Speaker 1: that's thirty nine, and then we go another eight years
Speaker 1: and that's forty seven.
Speaker 3: That's why she can't carry the baby?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And Rory is the age of Loralai when the series began.
Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, I agree. I think it's I agree
Speaker 1: to saying it's odd from a storytelling logic, stamp with
Speaker 1: what we're used to, because I have written down here
Speaker 1: Luke gos from I am all in to the pragmatist?
Speaker 1: Where's the romantic guy? Where's the guy?
Speaker 3: Right? Oh?
Speaker 1: He do anything for her? You know? Did she just
Speaker 1: suddenly want kids now that she's forty seven and wants
Speaker 1: to do it?
Speaker 2: Wife?
Speaker 1: Why would they talk about it for eight Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they not talk about her?
Speaker 3: And actually in storyline, it's a great storyline. That's why
Speaker 3: I'm saying this comes up repeatedly in this that they're writing.
Speaker 3: How they would have wanted to write it one, two,
Speaker 3: maybe three years later, It just happens to be eight
Speaker 3: years later because, like Suzanne saying, which we will get
Speaker 3: to the end end of the whole thing, the line
Speaker 3: is like, really good if it had been a year
Speaker 3: or two years, the line is really like, Oh, that's
Speaker 3: why people are so fixated on who's the daddy as
Speaker 3: opposed to like which I guess plays well, but like
Speaker 3: then the line because it's like it's almost like cool.
Speaker 1: Like well, it's almost like they don't want anybody to
Speaker 1: even question or ever want to have to deal with
Speaker 1: this question of Luke and Laurel I not having kids.
Speaker 1: It's like they just sort of gloss it over and
Speaker 1: here we are eight years later and now they're having
Speaker 1: this inane conversation about Surgus, which dumb Luke doesn't understand.
Speaker 2: So it's it's odd and it's very odd.
Speaker 3: These are some of the flags, Like there's flags. There's
Speaker 3: definitely flags. There's a lot of things that are really good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's some weird flags.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh god, m hm.
Speaker 4: So also in this scene is where Paul makes his debut.
Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of funny with the wrench,
Speaker 4: and Luke was impressed with the wrench.
Speaker 1: That was a really nice wrench.
Speaker 3: I'm all forgetting everything about this guy. And it's like
Speaker 3: it's been two years, Like it's just dumb for me.
Speaker 4: That was like, this is not Rory, right, going to
Speaker 4: say that, like you're watching this going, this isn't the Rory.
Speaker 4: That was like so attentive to detail and had everything
Speaker 4: also so I forget about a relationship.
Speaker 3: And Rory is successful, Like she would have been even
Speaker 3: more successful. She wouldn't be so struggling. She would have
Speaker 3: bought a house, she would live. I don't know where
Speaker 3: she would live, right New York City. Maybe she's got
Speaker 3: She just wouldn't have been so meandery. That That's always
Speaker 3: been my flag is, like, they make Rory and it
Speaker 3: gets worse.
Speaker 1: Maybe just flash the lu been thriving.
Speaker 3: Now there is a scene in this that I think
Speaker 3: tracks with what Rory would do. But continue.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So then it's later that night, Luke and Lorlai are
Speaker 4: getting ready for bed. I have to call out the
Speaker 4: Felix and oscar line virus. That was a callback to
Speaker 4: season one, which I loved.
Speaker 3: Also, her pajamas and thank got her hair was acceptable
Speaker 3: to me. Her hair was so That's why I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: there's Lauren and Graham, there's Lorlai. The other hair was just.
Speaker 4: Rushing me.
Speaker 3: I couldn't stand it.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a cute scene with all the
Speaker 4: all the junk TV shows on the DVR. Totally, it
Speaker 4: just was it was all those that's the stuff she
Speaker 4: would have watched.
Speaker 3: I know, we'll talk about it in pop culture. But
Speaker 3: are all those real movies?
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll find out, because I'm sure they are.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I think some of them are.
Speaker 1: Some of them, I don't know. But then they, you know,
Speaker 1: they you know, they portray Luke and Laura as having
Speaker 1: this sort of randy mutual powerful attraction to one another
Speaker 1: because she jumps in bed and he, you know, he
Speaker 1: kind of goes he goes for right. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: keep alluding to, you know, we're gonna keep Rory awake
Speaker 1: and this kind of thing. And that's just for me.
Speaker 1: It just translates into you know, babies long ago.
Speaker 3: This hair. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, go off the babies.
Speaker 3: But the hair is not see that doesn't I think
Speaker 3: it's cute, pretty hair. It's just not her. It's too
Speaker 3: it's too a lady who lunches hair, a country club lady.
Speaker 3: That's not Laura's hair. Anyway, Scott, Sorry, you're talking about
Speaker 3: something very serious and I'm still on the hair. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. These two would have had talked
Speaker 3: about babies eight years earlier and they got back together.
Speaker 3: But anyway, and.
Speaker 4: Then stress tap dancing.
Speaker 3: Okay, dumb, a little bit funny, a little funny, a
Speaker 3: little hashtag trying too hard, Yeah, a little bit funny.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll try tap dancing.
Speaker 3: I wanted to try it for myself, but Rory's not
Speaker 3: going to do that.
Speaker 4: And it was like, yeah, I did a funny line
Speaker 4: when Laura I was talking about she's been feeling her
Speaker 4: mortality lately, and she looked at a cruise brochure and
Speaker 4: then I broke hip. That made me laugh after she
Speaker 4: looked at.
Speaker 1: The for sure.
Speaker 3: So then Scott did this, but she's thirty three, thirty four,
Speaker 3: thirty five or six seven, thirty nine.
Speaker 1: She's forty nine for she's forty seven now.
Speaker 3: Forty seven, okay, thank you. Yeah. I had to count
Speaker 3: that on my fingers every really, And so this was
Speaker 3: the first scene where they she's like my age now.
Speaker 1: Based only from two thousand at thirty two to sixteen
Speaker 1: years later, she's forty eight years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just a tiny bit younger than me now,
Speaker 3: which is maybe why I liked it more. I don't know,
Speaker 3: like now I'm the age. I don't know anyone keep going.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, this is the scene
Speaker 4: where they first mentioned that Richard has passed and they
Speaker 4: talk about missing Grandpa.
Speaker 1: So that was where that was established, and.
Speaker 3: It was all well done the whole time. It was good. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then the Luke's Diner Seene Taylor in the septic tank.
Speaker 4: There was another thing back in season one about the
Speaker 4: septect tank.
Speaker 3: That's that all played well for me, you guys. That
Speaker 3: all was funny and real and the whole thing.
Speaker 4: And he, Michael Winters just does not age. It's like
Speaker 4: he is Taylor, Like he didn't seem different at all,
Speaker 4: Like he just fell right back into that role.
Speaker 3: I wrote that down to I was like, he looks
Speaker 3: exactly the same. Yeah, he's acting the same, he looks
Speaker 3: the same. It was.
Speaker 4: He was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought they struck a very nice tone
Speaker 1: with having Taylor do the rant and then storm out
Speaker 1: and then Luke follow him out and say, come on,
Speaker 1: give me the petition.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'll sign it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I look, it was a nice community, small town moment.
Speaker 3: I totally agree, Scott, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What I thought of is that thing that's been going
Speaker 3: around that you age a lot at forty and sixty.
Speaker 3: So my thought was maybe he was like had already
Speaker 3: done his age jumps because he looks exactly the same.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I don't know, how.
Speaker 1: Do we feel about Kirk getting pelted with beggels in
Speaker 1: the face?
Speaker 4: Hilarious?
Speaker 3: How did I miss that?
Speaker 1: I whacked him, just drilled him in the face with
Speaker 1: two halves of bagels, just whack and then whack, whack.
Speaker 4: I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: No, definitely funny.
Speaker 3: Right, you didn't you miss.
Speaker 4: That, Amy, You didn't see that part.
Speaker 3: I never saw him get hit with bagels at all.
Speaker 4: And that's that's why he said, Luke, what do you say, Luke,
Speaker 4: you need to control your woman or something like that. Okay,
Speaker 4: because she was throwing bagels at him.
Speaker 1: Because he was, he was saying, oober right, yeah, noise. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I find it interesting how certain characters are treated
Speaker 1: in this piece, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're a little bit mocked. I will say, though,
Speaker 3: there's a very cute moment. I know, we'll get to
Speaker 3: it when she's in the oouber and she's making fun
Speaker 3: of him and then she smiles like she loves she
Speaker 3: loves it.
Speaker 1: Well that's when he started singing right the Carpenter song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, anyway, we'll get to that, keep going, okay.
Speaker 4: And then this is where Paul shows up again. We
Speaker 4: forgot about him, and then she forgets about him again
Speaker 4: in this scene because she leaves with the food and
Speaker 4: has to come back. That was pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Oh Chewbacca, Why who lives Chewbacca?
Speaker 4: That's coming up?
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's so bad.
Speaker 3: These are the parts that bothered me. I'm sorry, we
Speaker 3: haven't gotten it yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, okay, okay, let's just make an agreement now.
Speaker 1: There will be no referencing future episodes. Thank you. That's enough, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Danielle, you got it.
Speaker 4: Okay. And then so now the dragonfly scene.
Speaker 1: So that's the first act. This is the act break.
Speaker 3: Hey, okay, thank you, Because I didn't I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: known that, so I appreciate. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll write it about twenty seven minutes and
Speaker 1: twenty nine minutes with all that, you know, we get
Speaker 1: to Emily's house at about twenty nine minutes. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's your first act. Your first act is twenty five
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and an hour and a ninety minute piece.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So then I'm like, oh, Okay, here we are. Now
Speaker 1: this is when the action is going to start. This
Speaker 1: is and it does, so you know, and the death
Speaker 1: of Richard is the thing that propelled it into act
Speaker 1: too that we already knew about. But it's yet it's
Speaker 1: still surprised us. When still surprised me when I saw
Speaker 1: it in this how they use it so so far
Speaker 1: it's structured very very well, very well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thisss.
Speaker 3: Thing is really good. It does not feel like ninety
Speaker 3: minutes it went so fast.
Speaker 1: It did not. It felt very compact. I agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So that's that's a good call out, Scott,
Speaker 4: because like I was not obviously I'm the viewer. I
Speaker 4: am not any kind of a production person, but I
Speaker 4: was not watching it from that structural lens, so I
Speaker 4: was just watching the plot unfolds. That's a good point
Speaker 4: that you make about the different acts because I didn't
Speaker 4: pick up on that, But now in retrospect, I'm like, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: there totally was a break right there. So we go
Speaker 4: to the Dragonfly. This is now the first time we've
Speaker 4: seen the dragonfly. There was a ton of information in
Speaker 4: this scene. So first of all, before we get to that,
Speaker 4: I want to point out did you guys notice that
Speaker 4: Alex Borstein was credited as Drella but she never appeared
Speaker 4: in the episode.
Speaker 3: What's going on with that? Is that it cut or something.
Speaker 4: That's what I was wondering, because at the very start
Speaker 4: of the scene coming downstairs.
Speaker 1: It comes later in this episode, not in this episode.
Speaker 1: But isn't she She's in a different Episode's Notrella? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's some famous costume designer from the Golden
Speaker 1: Ear of Hollywood or something.
Speaker 3: Right right, So a main series too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex Borstein is in it later as the other character,
Speaker 4: not as Drella. So that's why I was confused why
Speaker 4: she got credit in this episode as Drellalla wasn't in
Speaker 4: this episode because.
Speaker 1: They were they were crediting everybody that was originally cast
Speaker 1: in Gilmore Girls, and and plus Amy and Alex are
Speaker 1: like best friends.
Speaker 3: Something to that.
Speaker 4: I just yeah, I just wondered if there was like
Speaker 4: a deleted scene or something, because when they come in,
Speaker 4: when when Michelle and Laura came down the stairs of
Speaker 4: the Dragonfly and they turned to go into the living room,
Speaker 4: there is someone with dark hair sitting there playing a harp.
Speaker 3: It must there must have been a scene that got cut.
Speaker 1: That's what I was.
Speaker 4: Thinking, Like, you don't see her face well enough to
Speaker 4: know what they mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so they had to explain away why she
Speaker 1: wasn't in the series, and this is how they did it.
Speaker 1: She said, you know, attle bit of the farms at
Speaker 1: some kind of a seminar.
Speaker 3: Things which to her career kind of this is something
Speaker 3: behind the scenes drama, because there was a little drama
Speaker 3: that Amy said Melissa wasn't available. Melissa said she'd never
Speaker 3: been asked all publicly, and then suddenly it worked out
Speaker 3: and Melissa does appear. Yeah, eventually, Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were various comments on Twitter that eventually got
Speaker 4: deleted and somehow it all got.
Speaker 3: There was some sort of behind the scenes hubbah, but
Speaker 3: it all worked out.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So we find out Michelle is married to Frederick,
Speaker 4: and Frederick wants kids, but Michelle doesn't. Roy Choi was
Speaker 4: was here.
Speaker 3: Roy CHOI was like not having any of it. It
Speaker 3: was a little hashtag trying too hard, but it was
Speaker 3: also kind of amusing, just Roy Choy. Some of it
Speaker 3: was good.
Speaker 1: I didn't Michelle had a good line here to Laura,
Speaker 1: l I, why aren't aren't you on Zenix? It was
Speaker 1: invented for you.
Speaker 3: This was all fine.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 3: It was like moving along, It's like it's all good.
Speaker 3: It felt.
Speaker 1: We get the gypsy phone call, we get we get
Speaker 1: some Gypsy.
Speaker 3: Arry Michelle, like I felt like he fell right back
Speaker 3: into the character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but isn't it odd.
Speaker 1: That Dragonfly experience without Suki.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a big hole.
Speaker 2: There's a hole totally because when.
Speaker 4: They when that scene opens, you expect them to go
Speaker 4: in the kitchen and see who and we didn't. We
Speaker 4: saw Roy Troy, which he was fine.
Speaker 3: But it was that if we knew Melissa was in it,
Speaker 3: I would have just put her in there.
Speaker 1: And then just that was that, you know, the comedy
Speaker 1: chops of Melissa versus Roy CHOI let's see who you know.
Speaker 1: And he did an adequate job, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but I mean you're competing with one of the finest
Speaker 1: actresses of our era, you know, especially one of the
Speaker 1: finest comedians. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So then, like you said, we had the phone
Speaker 4: call from Gypsy. Lorela's jeep is broken again, which is
Speaker 4: a convenient mechanism to get Lorelai into Kirk's uber to
Speaker 4: go to Hartford seen by Rose.
Speaker 3: What's that goods seen by Rose, Rose falls right back
Speaker 3: into being Gypsy. And you also realize, like Rose is
Speaker 3: a great actress, like she's great in hacks, Like she's great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's she's underutilized her in Gilmourt.
Speaker 4: I agree with that. I would have liked to have
Speaker 4: seen more from Gypsy.
Speaker 1: She probably was. I don't know that she was available
Speaker 1: too much. She was working all over the place.
Speaker 3: Probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if they're not going to commit to somebody and
Speaker 1: give them a series regular role and their their agency
Speaker 1: are going to just like, hey, she's not available, she's
Speaker 1: doing this, she's doing that, and you're up stepping up,
Speaker 1: so step up, or we're gonna just like your.
Speaker 3: Points out that Rose Rose is Burda. Also Emily's made
Speaker 3: and that's like, that's cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it took me a couple of watches to realize that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to tell.
Speaker 4: So they're in Kirk's Uber driving to Hartford. There's a
Speaker 4: hole in the floor, Yeah, water pitcher over the over
Speaker 4: the back seat, and then we get the little bit
Speaker 4: of singing the carpenters and then okay.
Speaker 3: Just showing this picture so everybody can see as Burda. God,
Speaker 3: do you see that really really make her look different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's basically where we are. They get to
Speaker 4: Emily's Burda answers the door, Emily is very welcoming towards
Speaker 4: Rory and completely ignores Laural. I that pretty much tracked
Speaker 4: with the entire seven seasons of the show. And then
Speaker 4: what didn't track was all these people that are in
Speaker 4: Emily's house and they're all fixing things and there's children
Speaker 4: running around.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, I don't know if Emily just completely
Speaker 1: ignoring Laurel I tracked for me at all. It made
Speaker 1: it made me ask why, and we got the answer,
Speaker 1: which I thought was great.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I noticed like coldness, she's not blatantly ignoring her, and
Speaker 3: then when you get the reveal of what happened, you're like, right,
Speaker 3: I actually don't.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that.
Speaker 3: I think that was an overreaction on Emily's part. It's like,
Speaker 3: but we'll talk about that.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I thought it tracked for Emily because
Speaker 4: she is in the original series she very clearly favored
Speaker 4: Rory over Laurel I many times, So to me that
Speaker 4: just kind of made sense that you know, she's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm so happy to see you and that's like, oh, Laurel,
Speaker 4: I's here too, Okay, So then we go in the
Speaker 4: living room and see the picture.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 4: I mean I thought it was great, Like he he
Speaker 4: was such a presence in the show. How could they
Speaker 4: have done anything.
Speaker 3: To And I love the banter about like it's ok, hey,
Speaker 3: you messed up the measurements, right I did. That was
Speaker 3: so funny to me and left.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a way to have a giggle about
Speaker 3: something that's so.
Speaker 4: Sad too, right, that's true. Yeah, it kind of lifted
Speaker 4: the mood a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thirty minutes. This is the act break.
Speaker 1: This is propelling us into act too. And now we
Speaker 1: know what Winter is about. It's the winter of their discontent.
Speaker 1: It's the winter of death. It's the winter of having
Speaker 1: to deal with the absence of Richard, which is which
Speaker 1: is definitely cold and wintery mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we.
Speaker 1: But it started to interrupt, but it did border on ugly,
Speaker 1: you know, Emily was yeah, ugly to the Laura.
Speaker 3: I I mean, it was just the high drama of
Speaker 3: this episode. It gets like.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely sorry.
Speaker 3: Which I was good though, which I was good with it.
Speaker 3: I needed that sort of like oh wow, okay, we're going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it spawned a great line, mom, you spinal
Speaker 1: tap the painting.
Speaker 4: So that leads us into the flashback of the actual funeral,
Speaker 4: which was incredibly well done. They told the story visually,
Speaker 4: they didn't weigh it down with a bunch of dialogue.
Speaker 4: I thought it was beautiful.
Speaker 3: And as.
Speaker 4: We go to the house and we see Jason styles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great that was really great. I
Speaker 3: have to say that was a great scene, so well acted,
Speaker 3: like he was so right back in the character. He
Speaker 3: was so sweet, like it was that was like everything
Speaker 3: about that was great, right, And I thought it was
Speaker 3: interesting to kind of a reveal unexpected, like all.
Speaker 4: The right exactly because when we last saw him he
Speaker 4: was gonna sue Richard and so now you know he's
Speaker 4: here to pay his respects.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's really kind of smarmy in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and here he is, are you happy? And then he
Speaker 1: makes a move to kiss her and.
Speaker 3: It just their old friends, remember their old friends from camp.
Speaker 3: That's why he calls her by the nickname. And it's
Speaker 3: like we need some of those like.
Speaker 2: Exciting has he.
Speaker 1: Has Christopher vibes to me, there's there's there's Ick.
Speaker 3: There Digger and it's like they're old friends and like
Speaker 3: it is what it is. But it was I thought
Speaker 3: that he would be there. That totally tracks. He definitely
Speaker 3: would go mm hmm. So yeah, I was really I
Speaker 3: liked it.
Speaker 4: So the patio scene, Okay, first of all, great physical
Speaker 4: acting by Lauren Graham, like climbing over and around all
Speaker 4: the people and stumbling over her.
Speaker 1: Ok. I just want to say right here, Uh, that
Speaker 1: was a masterful scene. I think it was the best monologue,
Speaker 1: the funniest monologue that Lauren Graham did in this entire series.
Speaker 3: That story with her memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that story was so funny and she acted it
Speaker 1: so well, and you know, I'm in there with Teddy
Speaker 1: Bedminster and you know, you know getting uh, we were
Speaker 1: just finishing up you know what I mean, the British
Speaker 1: or gum and the brothers are you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was so inappropriate and it was so great.
Speaker 2: It was I scene.
Speaker 1: I rewound that thing five times and watched it and
Speaker 1: just roared every single time.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 1: Her top monologue, her test and it gave me Lucille
Speaker 1: ball vibes. With the physicality of the clown. I over
Speaker 1: this guy who was asleep in the wheelchair, and I
Speaker 1: was wondering, God, did this guy just die and his wheelchair.
Speaker 1: She's got to give a speech, I mean, what a
Speaker 1: hilarious I mean, to put that in such a sweet
Speaker 1: moment with Emily asking people to tell their favorite stories
Speaker 1: of Richard, I mean, you couldn't as I mean, it
Speaker 1: was almost sacred right, and Laurel I just blanks the bed,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. And it was just beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was so funny. It was the funny. I think
Speaker 1: it's the funniest thing I've ever seen on that show.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything funnier. It was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wrote down, just hand her the Emmy,
Speaker 1: just hand it to her. Now, nobody's this good. Sorry,
Speaker 1: And it was just brilliant. Kudos, kudos.
Speaker 4: And then Emily's look at the end of just like
Speaker 4: utter speechlessness, like I can't believe she just said that.
Speaker 4: And then that leads us into the k argument. I mean,
Speaker 4: I could I understand Emily's point of view. I think
Speaker 4: they were both hurting and they were both taking it
Speaker 4: out on each other. And I always think you know, Laurlai,
Speaker 4: couldn't you have just like made up a story?
Speaker 3: Correct? But it was also so lourla and like everybody
Speaker 3: like I, I think I would have just been like
Speaker 3: that was embarrassing and given her hall pass. It turned
Speaker 3: so ugly.
Speaker 1: But that's her default, you know, that's that's a personality
Speaker 1: that was formed by what she considers to be the
Speaker 1: the the abuse from her family, and the reason why
Speaker 1: she left is to use stick and humor to cover
Speaker 1: everything and to make light of everything. And even in
Speaker 1: this moment, it was the only way she was possibly
Speaker 1: going to survive because she's not she doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: part of She doesn't feel like Emily's daughter half of
Speaker 1: the time, or probably three quarters of the time. So
Speaker 1: why is she calling on me? I'm not even her daughter.
Speaker 1: She never even treated me and I have to she
Speaker 1: never treated me really like a daughter at all. It's
Speaker 1: always just been mountains of criticism and anger coming at
Speaker 1: me and I'm the shit black sheep of the family
Speaker 1: and the shame of the family and not upholding the
Speaker 1: family name. And now I'm supposed to give some testimonial
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 3: I would go as far as you're going with it,
Speaker 3: but the part that I think that really does make
Speaker 3: sense that you're saying is her coping mechanism is sort
Speaker 3: of that, yeah, you know, sarcasm, making a joke, trying
Speaker 3: to you know, and so because it.
Speaker 1: Works for her in every other situation of her life.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. And then in the in the kitchen argument,
Speaker 4: you know, Emily is unable to acknowledge that Lorella is
Speaker 4: grieving also, and she immediately goes to a place of
Speaker 4: accusation like you know, you're not upset about this, or
Speaker 4: like you're I forget exactly how she worded it, but
Speaker 4: she's not acknowledging that Lorelai is experiencing pain too, and
Speaker 4: that's when they have the whole and that's that's that's
Speaker 4: the end with about a full freaking circle, Like this
Speaker 4: is like you were saying, Scott, this is exactly where
Speaker 4: it always ends up, is they fight about whatever and
Speaker 4: laurel I ends up feeling like she's not part of
Speaker 4: the family, and you know.
Speaker 3: All when you're talking about it, it just makes my
Speaker 3: heart hurt.
Speaker 1: Like that scene was just it was painfully it was
Speaker 1: beautifully written, beautifully acted, and it's so it's so true.
Speaker 1: It rang so true when a parent dies, it all
Speaker 1: tends to start to fall apart. A structure of a
Speaker 1: family is impacted to a point where and you know,
Speaker 1: everybody acts reacts to that death in different ways. The
Speaker 1: siblings react in different ways, not every you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like everybody's holding hands and you know that's that's
Speaker 1: a very rare circumstance. But I know from experience perience
Speaker 1: that people have different responses, and those two had far
Speaker 1: different responses. So it's very true to life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna wrap her up. Winter episode one
Speaker 1: of the seasons from Netflix. Thank you, Susanne, Thank you, waymy,
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Speaker 3: Joy I'm happy to be sparring again. We really did
Speaker 3: not spar all of season seven, and I think that's
Speaker 3: because it was kind of season seven sort of just
Speaker 3: chugs along, but it's not so.
Speaker 1: There's there's some really strong episodes in season seven. I
Speaker 1: have to give it credit anyway, that's gonna do it.
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