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We worked with some remarkable people. 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: Rob mcalinney. When I see the people of Wrexham, I 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: grew up exactly like them. Check out the ARTHI and 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Trrom show. That is a R D HI and s 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: R I R A M show. Listen to the Art 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: the Industry M Show on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcast Oh, 35 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: whenever you get to your podcast BCIs Julia Evers Lady 36 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: says Angela. Wagner's cell phone activity showed several disturbing entries. 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: He never called Chris Senior like he told BCI agents 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: after Chris died. Digital data plays such a huge role 39 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: in all of these cases. You again to see these 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: little electron red crumbs as to their activity. This is 41 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: the Pike To Massacre. Returned to Pike County Season four, 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: episode thirteen, The Digital Trail Courtney Armstrong, a television producer 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. It's 44 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: important to note that Billy Wagner, George Wagner's father, whose 45 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: trial is upcoming, has pled not guilty to all charges. 46 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: We've so far heard reams of testimony from different ballistics experts, 47 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: from the coroner who did the autopsies on the road 48 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: in family, from the victims family members. Last episode we 49 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: heard from Billy Wagner, and now we hear more from 50 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: the rest of the Wagners. But the day begins with 51 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: a hearing before judge during regarding the use of technology 52 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: and media in the trial. Here's James Pilcher, longtime investigative 53 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: reporter in Cincinnati, now with Local twelve. This is a 54 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: big day for the media covering the trial because the 55 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: day before, the Appeals Court ruled that whatever shown in court, 56 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: we can show either through still photographs, streaming video, whatever. 57 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Because the judge had previously said he tried to put 58 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: a ban on anything involving blood, involving miners, or involving bodies, 59 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: and that's against the rules of jurisprudence in Ohio. Anything 60 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: that's shown in court can be shown publicly. Now it's 61 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: up to us to self censor. This morning's hearing is 62 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: over how the appellate Court's ruling will affect the photos 63 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: and videos that are presented in the trial moving forward. 64 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: It harkens back to the beginning of the trial, when 65 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: so much was about what would and would not be 66 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: allowed to be released by the media. Post Defense attorney 67 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: John Parker argues that jurors could go online and see 68 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: images that were not previously introduced as evidence, and that 69 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: that could taint the view of the defendant. George Wagner, 70 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: the fourth and judge, during asked the prosecution about the 71 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: possibility of the jury viewing sensitive material, in particular material 72 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: that is not being admitted into evidence. Assuming the jurors 73 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: are following the war's order, there's absolutely no reason to 74 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 1: assume they're not, and they're not going to be looking 75 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: at any type of media or being so sameing out 76 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: of the media anyway. Yeah, that would be our position, 77 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: or it's not very It doesn't be fished. In the end, 78 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: Judge Daring sides with the news media and the prosecution. 79 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: That morning, the judge has a hearing and says, hey, 80 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: we've got to abide by this and from now on 81 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: you go ahead and use the screens, but no that 82 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: it's going to be it can be shown, and that 83 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: the prosecution at that point had been going to the 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: photographers and saying, hey, this is gonna have blood and 85 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: it don't show it. Well, it was allowing the prosecutors 86 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: to self censor, our censor what was going to be 87 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: shown on what wasn't and that's really not what the 88 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: court is supposed to happen. So yeah, that was a 89 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: big day with the media policy clarified. The trial resumes. 90 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: Special Prosecutor Angie Kinneppa her team called Ohio BCI Intelligence 91 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: Supervisor Dana Forney to the stand. Forney was a criminal 92 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: intelligence analyst at the time of the murders. In twenty sixteen, 93 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: as investigators were looking into the Wagner's agent, Forney analyzed 94 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: their cell phone data. Forny says she first looked at 95 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: Billy Wagner cell records in the months and days leading 96 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: up to the murders on April twenty first and twenty second, 97 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Forney has been working in the criminal intelligence 98 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: unit for ten years. She wears a purple shirt with 99 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: a black blazer and is calm and confident. On the stand. 100 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: Forney lays out why she was looking into the phone 101 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: records of Billy Wagner, father, the defendant and also accused murderer. 102 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: Once Billy was interviewed by the investigative team, they requested 103 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: the records to either collaborate or refute any statements that 104 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: he made about his locations who he was calling. So 105 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: the investigative team had asked me to just take a 106 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: look at the records and create a map of where 107 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: Billy was on the day of the twenty first and 108 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: twenty second. Okay, and so did you do that? Yes, 109 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: Anga Kineppa brings the map on the screen for the 110 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: courtroom to see. It shows various cell towers and their 111 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: relation to the three crime scenes, as well as the 112 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Wagner residences. Agent Forney also had access to the call 113 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: log so she could see who Billy Wagner was calling 114 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: and who was calling Billy on April twenty first, the 115 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: day of the murders. There were several calls from Billy 116 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: Wagner's son, George. The fourth, though stopped at around five 117 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: forty four pm. It was at five fifty five pm 118 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: when Billy made his last phone call of the day. 119 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: The last outgoing call from this device that night of 120 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: April twenty first was to Christopher Roden Senior. Billy Wagner's 121 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: last call of the night was to Christopher Roden Senior. 122 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: Chris Roden tried to call Billy back five separate times 123 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: up until ten fifteen pm. Each time it went to voicemail. 124 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: Previous testimony stated that Chris was likely murdered soon after 125 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: eleven pm. Can you tell us did that device of 126 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: Billy Wagner's ever make any attempts to contact Chris Senior's 127 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: phone after receiving those series of calls the night before 128 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: that were routed to voicemail. No, even though he checked 129 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: his voicemail that following morning. Yes, did you see any 130 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: evidence whatsoever that he ever called or attempted to call 131 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Chris Rodan Senior After that last call to him shortly 132 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: before six pm on April twenty first of twenty sixteen. 133 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: There were no outcoing calls from Billy's phone to Chris 134 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: Rodan Senior. So the other thing that they found in 135 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: those records, of course, was that he never called Chris 136 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: Senior like he told BCI agents after Chris died. You know, 137 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: he said he destroyed his phones and he got a 138 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: new number because he kept getting upset at himself because 139 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: he kept calling Chris Senior's phone by accident because he 140 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: was a friend. Well, they proved that never happened using 141 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: triangulation of the cell towers and the geolocation of Billy's 142 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: cell phone. Agent Forney was also able to narrow down 143 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: Wagner's location when he used his phone. When I conducted 144 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: the analysis first of just his common towers. These were 145 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: the most common towers in Billy's records, the two that 146 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: serviced the area of the Flying W and the one 147 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: that services the area of Peterson Road. The Flying W 148 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: was where Billy Wagner's parents lived. Billy spent most nights there. 149 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: The Peterson Road address was where Angela Jake and George 150 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Wagner lived. Prosecutor Krnapa asks about the location of Billy's 151 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: cell phone the day of the murders and the day after. 152 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: She also asked if there was a change in Billy's 153 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: habits on those days. So significant to you would be 154 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: if the last outgoing or incoming contact or communication was 155 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: at a particular location at that night and then also 156 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: in that same location in the morning. Correct, would state 157 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: to you at a habit of spending the night or whatever. Yes, 158 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: Kneppa pulls up on the big screen a calendar of 159 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: Billy's cell phone locations during the month of April. This 160 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: is April twenty sixteen's calendar of Billy's last serving cellsite 161 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: and first serving cell site. Okay, and specifically you have 162 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: the last cell site, which is the services the Peterson 163 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: Road address, correct, Yes, at eleven o four pm. And 164 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: then the first phone utilization the following morning also still 165 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: located at Peterson Road. Correct. And why was that significant? 166 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: I guess that on April twenty first the device was 167 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: at Peterson Road when typically it would be at the 168 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: flyin w There were just comments made to the investigative 169 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: team about the family was all together that night, and 170 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: we didn't know if that was common for them to 171 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: all be together at Peterson Road. And again through kind 172 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: of the end of April. Do you see that same 173 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: pattern continuing as far as the Peterson Rode address. Yes, 174 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: So then from that point forward you see a shift 175 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: in the device's behavior that now the typical last serving 176 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: cellsite and first serving cellsite the next morning are in 177 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: the Peterson Road area. And the other thing they were 178 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: able to show is that leading up to the murders 179 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: that Billy up until then, his phone at night when 180 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: he would go to bed was at the Flying w 181 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: after the murders for at least a month and a half, 182 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: except for the times they went to Alaska, it was 183 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: at Peterson Road. So that was a major alteration in 184 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:51,479 Speaker 1: his behavior. On the day after the murders. Here's Stephanie 185 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: and Jeff. And by the way, this is the very 186 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: very first time I've personally ever heard that Billy Wagner 187 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: accused fall that he wasn't sleeping home. And while this 188 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: evidence doesn't necessarily tie George Wagner directly to the murders, 189 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: it does support the prosecution's argument that the Wagners were 190 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: in contact and were physically together the night of the murders. 191 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: It's fascinating now that we can better understand the comings 192 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: and goings of everyone based on their cell phones and 193 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: it's always interesting to see behind the curtain a little 194 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: bit about an investigation, cell towers, information regarding where their 195 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: cell phones were. It kind of becomes this map, and 196 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: in many cases that's extremely meaningful. I will say, in 197 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: this case, again we're not seeing too too much yet 198 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: about George, but it is certainly interesting to see where 199 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: everybody else was in who they had been calling. In 200 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: those final days, people were frustrated with law enforcements, timeline 201 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: of how long it took to make arrests, or how 202 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: the public felt like they didn't know what was going on. 203 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: But I think this kind of police work just proved that, 204 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: like you said, behind the curtain, there was a lot 205 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: of investigative work happening that really helps not just getting arrest, 206 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: but hopefully a commction. What's your inclination? Does that mean 207 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: that Billy Wagner accuse father was calling victim father Chris 208 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: rod In to see if he was home at that 209 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: hour and doing sort of a scout to just see 210 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: if typically he's home between those certain hours. I think 211 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: it probably points to Billy Wagner knowing that every cell 212 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: phone call is tracked or could be tracked, and he 213 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: is planting some seed or trying to lay some sort 214 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: of what will eventually be his defense. Good point. It 215 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: should also be important to note stuff that while the 216 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: cell phone data helps give an idea of Billy Wagner's 217 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: location and habits before and after the murders, it doesn't 218 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: actually detail what was said during these phone calls. More importantly, 219 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't specify how the Wagner's allegedly coordinated the killings. 220 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: All of that is about to change with the next 221 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: witness called by the prosecution, Julia Everslidge, a BCI agent 222 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: who analyzed the search history, images and text messages on 223 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: Angelo Wagner's phone. BCI's Julia Everslige says Angelo Wanger's cell 224 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: phone activity showed several disturbing entries. Here's forensic medical examiner 225 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. Digital data plays such a huge role 226 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: in all of these cases. You begin to see this 227 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: little what I refer to as electron bread crumbs as 228 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: to their activity. Agent Everslidge wears a purple blazer and 229 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: white shirt. She has dirty blonde hair that falls to 230 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: her shoulders. On the stand, she speaks in a very 231 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: matter of fact manner about the Google searches of Angelo Wagner. 232 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: So the bottom line here is a Google search for 233 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: Alaska houses for sale and what I believed to be 234 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: in Seward, which is a city or a town in Alaska. 235 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: A visit of a website Seward real Estate, Inc. And 236 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: a second visit of that. Just a minute later, Prosecutor 237 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: Kanepa and Agent ever Sledge walk through the various searches. 238 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: There are many about houses for sale in Alaska, living 239 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: in Alaska, jobs in Alaska, both before and after the murders. 240 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: Here again, Joseph Scott Morgan. You know, we all go 241 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: into a trial with a presumption of innocence in our system. However, 242 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: when the prosecution is presenting this case to the jury, 243 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: you have to draw upon the common sense of the 244 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: jury and say it, isn't it interesting? You know that 245 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: this individual might be searching out things like, you know, 246 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: the nature of what it's like to live in Alaska, 247 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: or you know, are are there jobs available, for instance, 248 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: in Alaska. But Angelo Agner wasn't only googling about Alaska. 249 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: The Google search is symptoms of sexual penetration in a toddler, 250 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: and that took place on January eighteen, twenty sixteen. And 251 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: then the final lineup at the top is Trauma Responses 252 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: in Children, a website that was visited here again James Pilcher. 253 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, the other thing that came up from Angela's 254 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,239 Speaker 1: phone is that she had been searching for several months 255 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: previously on signs of sexual abuse and a toddler. We 256 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: know that they will later accuse the Rodents of or 257 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: somebody in the Rodent family of abusing Jake's daughter. But 258 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: one key thing that on Angela's phone which kind of 259 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: got me to thinking about this paranoia about sexual abuse 260 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: and rape. She looked up rape culture in Alaska. Now, 261 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: if you're moving to a place, is that one thing 262 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: you would look up, is that something you would google? 263 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: Is there rape culture up there? So obviously it's front 264 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: of mine in this family for her. We're going to 265 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Oh, 266 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm Carol Fisher and I'm hosting a podcast called The 267 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: Girl Friends. In the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a 268 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. 269 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and 270 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: he was Jewish. 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The 288 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: tone that you had throughout the debate was very similar 289 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: to some of the students that I do work with, 290 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: and that's what I teach them not to do. We're 291 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: making more revisionist history for you this year than ever 292 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: from places all across this great country emergency rooms, huge theaters, 293 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: small towns, and shooting righteous and you want to put 294 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: your thumb up like the US. Are you gonna pull 295 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: the trigger with this finger here? Okay? 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R's ricin, and 304 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth. 305 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is evil, and the only person who 306 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just going 307 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: to sit silently. Buy from iHeart podcasts. These are the whistleblowers. 308 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: If you are disloyal, things are going to happen to 309 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: week out disgrace through our gun. Peovil play should be prosecuted. 310 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: When power corrupts, conscience is the last line of defense. 311 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, 312 00:19:51,560 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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We've got to watch the Supreme Court. 318 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: What they're doing is wrong, what they're doing is evil. 319 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: They will take things away, and I can only hope 320 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: that Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment, girl, You 321 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: and I both know what it took to just get 322 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: through the day in New York City and get home 323 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: in one piece. And so the fact that we're here 324 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: and what you've achieved and what I've achieved, you know, 325 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: that's momentous. It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. 326 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: The only reason that you might think, as Chase said, 327 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: that we're always miserable is because people are constantly attacking us, 328 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to the Laverne Cox 329 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you 330 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: get your podcast. Be sure to subscribe and share. The 331 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: prosecution and Agent of a Slidge turned to Angela Wagner's 332 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: searches in March, just one month before the murders. There 333 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: are first searches on Facebook for Hannah May Rodin photos, 334 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: an attempt to look at the friends of Hannah Roden's 335 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: on her Facebook, and then another search on the same 336 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: friends list of Hannah Roden. On March thirteenth, twenty sixteen, 337 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: Agent of a Slidge reads Angela's search history. Just days 338 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: after the murders. These were searches pertaining to the homicides themselves. 339 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: On April twenty seventh, there was a Facebook search Rodin 340 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: Family massacre. They were reading of comments from the search 341 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: as well as Rodin Family shootings, and then reading of 342 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: two articles pertaining to the homicides from the Inquirer. When 343 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: you've got a person that is essentially the matriarch of 344 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: the family and who many people have pointed to is 345 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of the brains behind the operation, and when you 346 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: begin to see the searches that Angela was engaged in 347 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: when you marry that up with the physical evidence that 348 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: you have, and you see how of that plays out, 349 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: then I think by extension you begin to compare these thinks. 350 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: You know, well, you can searching thing you want to 351 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: on your phone. It doesn't necessarily mean that you're guilty. 352 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: The defense points out that Angela's search history doesn't prove 353 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: that she acted on the information. However, the text between 354 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: Angela and her husband, Billy Wagner do shuttle in their dynamic. 355 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: Evislidge begins to read text messages aloud that were sent 356 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: between Angela and Billy Wagner. Angela, I still love you, 357 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: but I would like to spend some time with you, 358 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: just you, not all of all our problems, Billy. That's 359 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: not going to happen, and it's only going to get worse. 360 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: Shit just starting, Angela, What are you talking about. I'm 361 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: trying to understand, Billy. I am paring my head for disaster, Angela, 362 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: for what your dad or Jake, Billy just everything has 363 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: turned to shit all Angela. Yes, I agree with you. 364 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: Can I help you in any way? Billy? Bullet to 365 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: the head would fix me right up. She reads a 366 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: text exchange four months before the murders. This one about 367 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: Hannah Rodin Angela. All hell is happening here with Hannah 368 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: and Angela. She is trying to keep Jake from getting 369 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: her tomorrow. Billy, did you get her yet? Billy? You 370 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: can run away with me Angela. I promise, if it 371 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: weren't for and I would be gone. Billy, anytime you want, Billy, 372 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: you just say the word and me, you and babies 373 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: will be off on the big adventure. Billy, just give 374 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: me a sign and I will come running. James Pilcher 375 00:23:54,119 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: There were several between Billy and Angela that showed very, 376 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: very tumultuous nature of the relationship. You know. Billy even said, 377 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: I wish they could take you away. She said, yeah, 378 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: if it weren't for the kids and the grandkids, I 379 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: would go with you. But I'm with them. More messages 380 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: about Billy and Angela Wagner running away together, sent three 381 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: months before the murders. Billy, I am moving on. You 382 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: are more than welcome to come bring babies and come on. Angela. Well, 383 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: they are not our babies, and I would never do 384 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: that to George and Jake. I would have killed someone 385 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: if they would have even mentioned going away with my babies, 386 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: and if you really missed me, you would do anything 387 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: or go through anything for me. Here's Jeff and Joseph 388 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Again, it's interesting because I don't think any 389 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: of her texts our Google searches totally point to George's guilt, certainly, 390 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: but they do paint a picture of maybe the dynamics 391 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: of the family. The way I've kind of come to 392 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: view this case in context to everything is that Angela 393 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: is essentially the hub of the wagon wheel, Okay, and 394 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: everybody else that is involved in this, whether it was 395 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: Jake or Billy or George who's currently on trial, they're extensions, 396 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: They're like spokes and all of this. She's the hub 397 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: that everything else radiates out from. And when you begin 398 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: to take all of that into consideration, it does paint 399 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: this picture of the world that these people existed in. 400 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: They live in this world that's dominated by Angela. Prosecutor 401 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: Kneppa and Agent Eversilage walk through text messages set nearly 402 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: two months before the murders. Billy, it's a fine mess Angela. Well, 403 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: maybe it is worth you helping me work it out. 404 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: As the date of the massacre draws near, a particularly 405 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: disturbing message, Billy, I got a plan if you just 406 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: take one damn minute and listen. Angela Okay, tell me, 407 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: Billy when I see you, this is the last time 408 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 1: I am going to try. If the three of you 409 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: don't take time to listen to me, then oh well, Angela, Okay, 410 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: Stephanie and Jeff. At that time, remember Billy Wagner's father 411 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: was dying. There was a crusty to dispute heating up 412 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: between the Wagoners and the Rodents. So when he's talking 413 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: about things being, you know, really bad, perhaps that's what 414 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: he was talking about, not necessarily anything to do with murder. 415 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: Knowing what we know now, you can put a lens 416 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: on anything the Wagners did, whether it's something they google, 417 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: something they said to each other, something they said in writing, 418 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: where they went, what they did, all of those things 419 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: can be scrutinized in a way that they couldn't before. 420 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: Agent Evislage then turns to text messages sent between Jake 421 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: and Angela. These were sent just one month before the murders. 422 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: There was a conversation of interest because it appeared to 423 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: have been discussing parts that were purchased. Jake Okay also 424 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: at Okay, I've done paid for it all, but I 425 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: do not need two three quarter inch stuff now, so 426 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: see if you can return. If you can return it, Angela, 427 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: I will take care of it, Jake, Okay. It's a 428 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: die and two fittings that I do not need. Pick 429 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: up the other die and bit still need them, Angela, Okay, 430 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: we'll do. Did you pay cash or put them on 431 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: your card Jake cash? Angela okay. And when you say 432 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: that was of interest because it related to items that 433 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: have been purchase, what are you talking about, specifically items 434 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: that we believe we're used to build suppressors. There's information 435 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: openly available on the internet about parts required or that 436 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: can be used to make suppressors. Tap and dies, for instance, 437 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: are parts that can be used. Drill bits that are 438 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: long can be used, and those are just components that 439 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: are used to build suppressors. When it comes to the 440 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: testimony of Julia Evislage, she's kind of had access to 441 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: the beating heart of information. She has a unique insight 442 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: into this world that the Wagner's inhabited. Because you begin 443 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: to think about, well, is it a matter of them 444 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: being able to talk about these things open freely or 445 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: are they going to have to create coded language in 446 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: order to do this? In order to get messages through 447 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: to one another. Evilage reads another text message with what 448 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: appears to be coded language. George Wagner continues to stare 449 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: at his feed. Jake ps look in the cabinet at 450 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: the bottom of stairs, not finished yet and need one more? Angela, 451 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: Are there pink bunnies there? Jake? One is Angela? What 452 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: about sprinkles? Jake ain't got them yet. They are coming 453 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: in mail and at Okay. Next Friday, Prosecutor Knappa asked 454 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: the agents why she thought the words quote sprinkle and 455 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: quote pink bunnies were quoded language. Well, first, there was 456 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: a rush mention of and okay, which in the prior 457 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: messages there were parts to be picked up or exchanged 458 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: at okay, which I interpreted to be okay autoparts. There 459 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: were known purchases that we identified later from various autoparts stores, 460 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: and as well as the conversation the pink bunnies that 461 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: was right on the heels of the discussion about the 462 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: various parts. Regardless what you testified too could be used 463 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: to make silencers. Correct. Yes, okay if you have an 464 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: awareness where you feel as though you're gonna have to 465 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: speak in coded language. Why in the world would you 466 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: even offer up any conversation at all. As it turned out, 467 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, they were able to pick up multiplicity of 468 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: communications that were going on, and you began to see 469 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: this a little trail of electronic bread crumbs that have 470 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: been created. Here again, Stephanie and Jeff, there's a lot 471 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: made of Billy and Angela Wagner using code words when 472 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: they're talking about sprinkles and in pink bunnies, And I 473 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: don't know, that might be a little bit of a 474 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: leap if you know, we're all working on the assumption 475 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: that these are code words that could very well be 476 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: But those code words could be for anything, you know, 477 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: as mentioned, it could be for auto parts, it could 478 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: be for drugs. It could also be for ingredients to 479 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: make a cake. Yeah, step I mean, this is very 480 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence, if it's even considered evidence at all, and 481 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't point to George Wagner being guilty of murder. 482 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: Local news jumps on this finding of quoted language text 483 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: messages between Angela and Jake, which include pink bunnies and sprinkles. 484 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: Nothing to do with cartoons or ice cream. The prosecution 485 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: says they are code words for firearm accessories. That order. Now, 486 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: today's testimony also took jurors to Montana's border with Canada. 487 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: That's where agents intercepted the Wagners, who were driving back 488 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: to the US from Alaska more than a year before 489 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: they ended up being arrested. Next, the prosecution calls up 490 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: agent Ryan Schuderer. He wears a gray suit with a 491 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: purple shirt and tie and was the lead investigator in 492 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: the Rodan family murders. The prosecution begins by laying out 493 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: the evidence collected thus far in the investigation. So at 494 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: this point, now you have collected ballistic evidence that we 495 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: heard Matt White also talk about that matched the shell 496 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: case scenes or cartridge casings that were fired at both 497 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: scenes two and three. And we have the shoeprint evidence 498 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: that has now been linked to the Wagners via the 499 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Walmart receive in the image of Angela Wagner. We had 500 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: loose forge custody documents, et cetera. So various pieces of 501 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: evidence that you have collected. Can you tell us then, 502 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: did the signify a change or a shift in the investigation? Yes? 503 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: And did Schiderer's calm demeanor reflects his years of experience 504 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation. On the stand, 505 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: he is serious and matter of fact. So at this 506 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: point they're suspects. The Wagners now have become suspects and 507 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: these crimes. But at this point is when you first 508 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: had both ballistic and other physical evidence tying into the 509 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: correct Before it was suspicion and things weren't adding up. 510 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: Now we have evidence, We have physical evidence that says 511 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: that somebody at that residence at two sixty Peterson Road, 512 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: which the only people that lived there were George Wagner, 513 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: Jake Wagner, and Angela Wagner, possessed the firearm that killed 514 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: five people on Union Hill Road. Here again, investigative reporter 515 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: James and Pilcher, that flicked a switch from them being 516 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: people of interest to being suspects. That was a pretty 517 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: team mollmate. But with the Wagners in their sites, investigators 518 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: had a problem. When you have an investigation with multiple suspects, 519 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: one of the things you want to do is get 520 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: a statement from each one of those. Well, the best 521 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: way to do that is to separated, right, You don't 522 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: want them together when you talk to them, because they 523 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: feed off of each other. So one of the things 524 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to do is figure out how can we 525 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: get a statement from all four wagoners at the same 526 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: time where they're away from each other, and can you 527 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: tell us what plan did you come up with in 528 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: order to effectuate that. Our plan was to intercept them 529 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: at the border of Canada and the United States when 530 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: they returned back from Alaska. Scheiderer testified that they made 531 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: preparations with their sister agency in North Dakota to intercepts 532 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: and interview the Wagoners at that entry point. Agents also 533 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: wanted to listen to the conversations the wagoners were having 534 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: on their phones and wanted to plant a listening device 535 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: in the Wagner's vehicle. But to do this they needed 536 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: a special warrant, the intercept warrant, so that you can 537 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: receive the intercept warrant through Ohio. So the warrant is 538 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: good for the county in which the crimes are committed. 539 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: The investigators needed intercept warrants for both Ohio and North 540 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: Dakota since that is where they would be installing the 541 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: listening devices. Here again, Jeff and Joseph Scott Morgan, can 542 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: you explain what an intercept warrant is? First off, in 543 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: order to get the warrant, you have to be able 544 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: to go to a judge and have them sign awfulness 545 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: because you know, we have certain protections constitutional protections that 546 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: extend out to warrants that involve listening devices. So you 547 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: have to state specifically what you're going to be listening 548 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: to and just think of it very simply like this. 549 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: It's intercepted communications between parties of interests that are involved 550 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: in a case. It's say, for instance, your suspect and 551 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: they've gotten an intercept warrant for your phone. Well, if 552 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: you're talking to another individuals, that might be a principle 553 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: in the case that gathering of information might be permissible. 554 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: You can't just collect everything randomly. There has to be 555 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: a reason why this data is collected and to make 556 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: it violable. From cordial We're going to take a break. 557 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. Oh, I'm Carol Fisher 558 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: and I'm hosting a podcast called The girl Friends. Back 559 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of 560 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He 561 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he 562 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. 563 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: He really wasn't. He choked into the point she went unconscious. 564 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one 565 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us 566 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to 567 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. 568 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, 569 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: I'd spit on him. I would call and I would say, 570 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: I know you killed my sister. I will always hound 571 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: you and haunt you. You can listen to The Girl 572 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 573 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Hello, Hello, Malcolm Gladwell here, host of 574 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: Revisionous History, a show about the overlooked and the misunderstood 575 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: stories you won't hear anywhere else. 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We're making more 583 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: revisionous history for you this year than ever from places 584 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: all across this great country, emergency rooms, huge theaters, small towns, 585 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: and shooting righteous And you want to put your thumb 586 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: up like the US. How you're gonna pull the trigger 587 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: with this finger here? Okay? Listen to revisionist history on 588 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get 589 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Witney hell is going on here. 590 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: Everyone has their limits. 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If you are disloyal, things are 600 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: going to happen to speak out disgrace to our gun. 601 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: Evil should be perfect. When power corrupts, conscience is the 602 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: last line of defense. I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the 603 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 604 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. My name's Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista, 605 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: and host of The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember 606 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: my award winning first season. I've been pretty busy. There's 607 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: always time to touch incredible guests about important things. People 608 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: like me have been screaming for years. We've got to 609 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: watch the Supreme Court. What they're doing is wrong. What 610 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: they're doing as evil. They will take things away. And 611 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: I can only hope that Dobbs, is that like Pearl 612 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: Harbor moment or you and I both know what it 613 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: took to just get through the day in New York 614 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: City and get home in one piece. And so the 615 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: fact that we're here and what you've achieved and what 616 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: I've achieved, you know, that's momentous. It's not just sitting 617 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: around complaining about some bills. The only reason that you 618 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: might think, as Chase said, that we're always miserable is 619 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: because people are constantly attacking us, and we're constantly noticing it. 620 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: Listen to the Laverne Cox Show on the iHeartRadio app, 621 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Be sure 622 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: to subscribe and share with the intercept warrants for North 623 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 1: Dakota and Ohio in place. Agents then traveled to North 624 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: Dakota a boarding Air Force plane their plan to intercept 625 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: the Wagoners on May twentieth, twenty seventeen. What happened when 626 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: you arrived in North Dakota. We got off the plane 627 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: and then we were alerted by Customs and Border Patrol 628 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: HSI that we were in the wrong state. What do 629 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: you mean by that? As the Wagners had exited Alaska 630 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: to go into Canada, they had to declare their portamentry 631 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: once they were trying to get back into the United States. 632 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: At the point they declared, they were coming through sweet Grass, Montana. 633 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: The agents then boarded another plane and headed to Montana. 634 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: So now your timeline is shortened a little bit, and 635 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: you are now in a state that you did not 636 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: make the corporations with correct. Correct, and it's also on 637 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: a weekend. Correct. Okay, So tell me what you did. 638 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: We scrambled so kind of panicked a little bit. Law 639 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: enforcements scrambled to redo the applications for the intercept warrants, 640 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: this time in Montana. We spent most of the night 641 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: obtaining those warrants because we had to write them. They 642 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: had not been written yet. So sometime around five am 643 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, Montana time, we were alerted that the wagoners 644 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: were making better time than expected and that they would 645 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: be arriving at sweet Grass sooner than we thought. So 646 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: we had to rush up to the border early that 647 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: morning and await their arrival. Here again, James Pilcher, the 648 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: wagoners went to Alaska one way, they crossed in North Dakota, 649 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: so the investigators assumed they would come back the same way. 650 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: Well they didn't. They indicated they were going to come 651 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: back through Montana. So here they had flown on an 652 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: National air Guard cargo plane with all of their stuff, 653 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: had everything set up at the North Dakota border to 654 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: intercept them, and then they found that, well they're going 655 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: to be crossing in Montana in twenty four hours, that 656 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: to hop the plane. Get on the phone with the 657 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: Montana Attorney General's office make sure they had the permission 658 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,760 Speaker 1: for the warrants that they needed, so they worked around 659 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: the clock, NonStop, when no sleep, and then stopped them 660 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: at the Montana border in this tiny, little US Border 661 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: Patrol facility that didn't have really the capability to interview 662 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: for people separately, but that's what they did. At this point, 663 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm getting the impression that they're not just putting George 664 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: Wagner on trial. They are showing the entire Pike County community, 665 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: the entire state, at the entire country, what they went 666 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 1: through to get here. They left Noah Stone unturned, even 667 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: if they admit during some of this they made mistakes. 668 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: Stephanie and Jeff I thought it was so interesting to 669 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: hear the play by play of how authorities had to 670 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: switch things up from North Dakota to the Montana border, 671 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: and you know, you can kind of picture this and 672 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: see how this is unfolding and how hectic it must 673 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: have really been. And again, they've been tracking them for 674 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: a long time, so the idea that they could have 675 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: missed them and were able to adjust and switch their 676 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: plan up pretty quickly, I thought was powering. I was 677 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: I was frankly on the edge of my seat. And 678 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: it goes back to behind the scenes. Law enforcement is 679 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: working in ways that the public is not aware of. 680 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: They were tracking this family and they were moving in 681 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: real time as the Wagoners were moving to ultimately get 682 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: the goods. With the Montana Intercept Warrens in hand, the 683 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: agents intercepted the Wagoners at the border in Montana and 684 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: were they each placed in a supper room hand interview 685 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: attacks made with each of us. Yes, the gig was up. 686 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: I knew we were looking at him. More on that 687 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: next time. For more information on the case and relevant photos, 688 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. The Piked 689 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 1: and Masker is produced by Stephanie Lydecker, Jeff Shane, Chris Cacaro, 690 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: Andrew Arnow, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong. Editing and 691 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: sound designed by Jeff Ta Music by Jared Aston. The 692 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: Piked and Masker is a production of iHeartRadio and Katie Studios. 693 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I 694 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 695 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: your favorite shows. I'm Carol Fisher and I'm hosting a 696 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: podcast called The girl Friends. It's Las Vegas, it's the 697 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, and it is time to find a husband. 698 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: There were four Jewish doctors who were felt to be 699 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: eligible bachelors. One of them was a barrenmat. 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