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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the solid verbal. Boys and girls, my

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Speaker 4: Dan Rubistein, sir, how you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what's going on. It's signing day,

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Speaker 2: is it not? It is early signing day. It is

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Speaker 2: early signing Day. We've got two of them now, it's correct.

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Speaker 2: We have Early Signing Day, and obviously the maybe the

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna use the word lifeblood. At least two

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Speaker 2: it just means a little bit less because of the portal,

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Speaker 3: But it's just like the first week of the season, right,

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Speaker 3: You can't read too much into it.

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Speaker 2: Rosters are a living, breathing thing that can change at

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Speaker 2: Brandon Huffman two four seven sports. Who is longtime recruiting consigliary.

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Speaker 2: I think of the solid verbal is that Okay, how

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Speaker 2: are you feeling today, ty, Well, I'm feeling good. I

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Speaker 3: done quite well, and Brandon can maybe shed some light

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Speaker 3: I'm always interested in the teams and the coaches that

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Speaker 3: things of that nature. Brandon is always an encyclopedia for

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Speaker 3: So recording this interview a little bit later, it's just

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Speaker 3: Without further ado, Dan, should we just jump right in.

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Speaker 3: Recruiting Guru knsigly area. Is that the word you used earlier?

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Speaker 2: This is all me. So I am. I am the orchestrator,

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Speaker 1: You know what? As I from my dog Bargie and

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Speaker 1: Well, what, yeah, what Alabama did on on signing day

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Speaker 2: Where's the strength of this Miami class? Obviously I can

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Speaker 1: Now a couple of these guys are at IMG, so

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Speaker 1: around football players in California and Blake Nicholson. He'll be

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Speaker 1: a candidate from California's mister Football. He's coming in to

433
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Speaker 1: play linebackers, but he also was second in the state

434
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Speaker 1: and touchdown for the second consecutive year. They're getting workman

435
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Speaker 1: like type guys. Michigan, on the other hand, everything kind

436
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: of fell apart when they didn't get Dante Moore. They

437
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 1: had really kind of sold the farm to get Dante Moore,

438
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Speaker 1: the in state kid. You know, some people say he's

439
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Speaker 1: the best player from Detroit since Jerome Bettis, or at

440
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Speaker 1: least he had the story career as a high schooler,

441
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Speaker 1: maybe the best one since Jerome Bettis, and Michigan wanted

442
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Speaker 1: to keep him in. In the process, they also got

443
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Speaker 1: a head start on making people that for twenty twenty four,

444
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Speaker 1: because not only did they lose Duntey Moore this year,

445
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Speaker 1: but they ended up losing CJ. Carr, who is the

446
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Speaker 1: grandson of the former Michigan coach when they won the

447
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Speaker 1: last national championship, Lloyd Carr. He went to Notre Dame.

448
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Speaker 1: So not only did they suffer some damage this year,

449
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Speaker 1: and then there was the collateral damage for next year,

450
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Speaker 1: and then there were some key guys that they were

451
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Speaker 1: in it for down the stretch, then losing Collins at

452
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Speaker 1: chimpongk to Miami. So you look at Michigan's classes for

453
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Speaker 1: a school that is now in consecutive playoffs, who won

454
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten two straight years, you would have thought

455
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Speaker 1: we'd see him up in this class compared to a

456
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Speaker 1: year ago, and you didn't, and you see him the top.

457
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Speaker 1: So maybe though, go get their you know, luster back

458
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Speaker 1: next year. But coming off of the twenty twenty one

459
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Speaker 1: season where they made it to the Orange Bowl and

460
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Speaker 1: won the Big Ten and exercised those Ohio State demons,

461
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Speaker 1: this class kind of left a little bit of meat

462
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Speaker 1: on the balls that I think fans are, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: wondering what happened?

464
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Speaker 2: Do you have a theory? Do they have a theory?

465
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Speaker 2: Is it the Harbor NFL stuff? Is it you know,

466
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Speaker 2: staff turnover with new coordinators and not having sort of

467
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Speaker 2: the continuity there for Michigan. What is the prevailing theory

468
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Speaker 2: for why Michigan is not building on on field success.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because they actually had a

470
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Speaker 1: decent twenty twenty teen class. They did lose their director

471
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Speaker 1: of player Personnel, Courtney Morgan, who was in Michigan all up.

472
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Speaker 1: He went to Washington this year. If you look at Washington,

473
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Speaker 1: they have greatly recovered from the Jimmy lakeare I mean era,

474
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Speaker 1: So you look at what he get there, but what

475
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Speaker 1: he was doing as all a lotter. Then it just

476
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Speaker 1: seems like this year, losing d'ante more kind of started

477
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a ripple effect with recruits. I

478
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Speaker 1: think there was a lot of, you know, questions, was

479
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Speaker 1: last sheer of flute? You know the year before that,

480
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: and they pandemic shortened season. It wasn't a great year.

481
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Speaker 1: Now I think they're showing not only was it not

482
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Speaker 1: a flute, but as we saw the days after they

483
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Speaker 1: played Ohio State and after they beat Ohouse Date that

484
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Speaker 1: Michigan is back to being the premier program. So maybe

485
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Speaker 1: that stability And yeah, I do think there is some

486
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Speaker 1: to the Harborugh NFL rumors of the year ago. It

487
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Speaker 1: was after signing day with the twenty twenty two class,

488
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Speaker 1: but that started to cost some of the questions with

489
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Speaker 1: this twenty twenty three class early on. Is he really

490
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Speaker 1: sticking around for the long holour? Is he going back

491
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Speaker 1: to the NFL? With the way that they played this year,

492
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: you're kind of feeling Arba's not going anywhere. And at

493
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Speaker 1: this point, you know, you go back ten years ago

494
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Speaker 1: when fifteen year of every long was when there was

495
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Speaker 1: the rumors every year that this is the year Pete

496
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Speaker 1: Carroll was going to the NFL. Recruiting never slowed down

497
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Speaker 1: for USC. It always stayed strong, just because even when

498
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Speaker 1: Pete was dabbling with the idea of going to the NFL,

499
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Speaker 1: they still recruited well Michigan. It almost feels like when

500
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Speaker 1: Harbor doubted with it, they kind of forgot to keep

501
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: focusing on recruiting. But they're still getting the results on

502
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Speaker 1: the field. And now with I think his ability to

503
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Speaker 1: show he can win the big game, complete compete for

504
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Speaker 1: national championships and more importantly beat Ohio State, I think

505
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see him, you know, maybe permanently residing in

506
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Speaker 1: Ann Arbor and not making the NFL jump anymore. And

507
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Speaker 1: I think that's Boligan health posses.

508
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Speaker 2: You mentioned USC, and USC certainly used to even good

509
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Speaker 2: or bad top five, top seven, top three type classes

510
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Speaker 2: because of the abundance of talent in Southern California and

511
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Speaker 2: the strength of the USC brand. They're sitting at number eleven.

512
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Speaker 2: Is this something that has USC internally. Has USC fans

513
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Speaker 2: worried or is there something to the fact that, you know,

514
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Speaker 2: what they've done in the portal recently, obviously bringing in

515
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Speaker 2: Mario Williams, Caleb Williams, Jordan Addison last year and seemed

516
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Speaker 2: to be very active this year. Are they taking a

517
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Speaker 2: more of a hybrid approach or are they just taking

518
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Speaker 2: swings for big fish and not connecting Where where's USC

519
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Speaker 2: standing at the moment?

520
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Speaker 1: You know? I think if it was December of twenty

521
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Speaker 1: twenty one and they were signing within a week last year,

522
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Speaker 1: right around this time, Lincoln Raley got Alachai Nelson and

523
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Speaker 1: makay Lemon and zach Rya Branch all to announce. The

524
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Speaker 1: problem was they announced in December of twenty twenty one

525
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Speaker 1: as opposed to December of twenty twenty two, right three

526
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Speaker 1: flive star guys, the number one receiver in the country,

527
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Speaker 1: a five star quarterback, a five star athlete. But they

528
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Speaker 1: almost committed too early in the process where it was

529
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Speaker 1: maybe the buzz had worn off by then, and then

530
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Speaker 1: today the only guy that they really were in the

531
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Speaker 1: mixport on signing day was Mateodali and then they lose

532
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Speaker 1: him to Oregon. It was kind of an unremarkable day

533
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Speaker 1: for USC. But you can't ignore the fact that Lincoln

534
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Speaker 1: Riley when he got to USC, they signed nine players

535
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Speaker 1: in the high school ranks in twenty twenty two, not

536
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Speaker 1: not even double digits. At one point on the morning

537
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Speaker 1: of the early signing period last year, they were in

538
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Speaker 1: the hundreds overall. Raking ended up getting Delmana Jackson back

539
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Speaker 1: in the fold flip the leak round from Oklahoma, but

540
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Speaker 1: they were heavy in the portal, and obviously to their benefit,

541
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Speaker 1: they got a Heisman Trophy layer out of it. This

542
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Speaker 1: year they got nineteen recruits. They'll probably go into the

543
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Speaker 1: portal now for twenty guys, but they'll probably go five

544
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Speaker 1: to seven to ten. But I think that this year

545
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Speaker 1: showed over the course of that year that USC still

546
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Speaker 1: wants to win with high school recruits. Even when Lincoln

547
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Speaker 1: Riley was at Oklahoma, they didn't really hit the portal

548
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Speaker 1: all that hark. He wanted to go with high school development,

549
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Speaker 1: and I think that that's the other key. There was

550
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Speaker 1: still for probably some people wondering, Okay, well, you know,

551
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Speaker 1: how is Lecoln going to do with USC? What is

552
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: he inherited from play health and are all these portal

553
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Speaker 1: players going to work, and then they end up being

554
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Speaker 1: a top five team by the end of the year,

555
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Speaker 1: going in the championship weekend. I think that's only going

556
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Speaker 1: to enhance the recruiting efforts in twenty twenty four. But

557
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Speaker 1: this year a top fifteen class, a top three class

558
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Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve. But I think just because so

559
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: many of those elite guys committed a year ago, it's

560
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Speaker 1: not as exciting assigning aid as. I think USC fans

561
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Speaker 1: got us too underpeak Carrol.

562
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Speaker 2: Let's go to an older USC coach and Steve Sarkisian,

563
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Speaker 2: I think I don't know what Texas is at right now.

564
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Speaker 2: Are that the number three class right now in the

565
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Speaker 2: two four to seven rankings. This is a program that

566
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Speaker 2: does this every year. They figure out how to feel

567
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: the top five recruiting list whatever, and sometimes it works

568
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: out well and guys pop as we've seen, you know,

569
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Speaker 2: most recently be Jean Robinson, really I mean five star

570
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: kid and surpassed that somehow with what he was able

571
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Speaker 2: to do on the field. Where is Texas strong in

572
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Speaker 2: this class? Why is this class different? What is it

573
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Speaker 2: about the Texas brand that is still resonating so strongly

574
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Speaker 2: even though the results on the field don't necessarily align.

575
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that, you know, Steve Sarkisian's

576
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Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss. But Texas's best win this year was the

577
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: loss to Alabama in Week two. You know, it was like,

578
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: he got this ridiculous extension that will keep fifteen generations

579
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Speaker 1: of Sarkasians employed for or at least rich for the

580
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Speaker 1: rest of their liede. But that was kind of what

581
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Texas Fians wanted to see. Yeah, they lost some games

582
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: that they probably shouldn't have. They did beat Oklahoma badly,

583
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: but it was that game against salabam and that show

584
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: this is what Texas can do. This is what they

585
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Speaker 1: can be, and what else can Texas be? They could

586
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: be back if they can continue to get players on

587
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Obviously getting Queen Ewers

588
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: a transfer in last year held he was the number

589
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: one player of the country when he reclassified at twenty

590
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: twenty one, But this year, one of the I guess

591
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Speaker 1: the best way to describe the guy is he's not

592
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: a mystery, because everybody in the freaking world knows who

593
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: Archmuny is. But he's also maybe the most interesting man

594
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: in this spots because he doesn't do camps, he doesn't

595
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: do seven on seven, he's not doing any of the

596
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: All Star games. But he's the number one player in

597
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: the country, has all the pressure, all the attention, and

598
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: everyone's wilted it under it. When he committed to Texas,

599
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: that was huge, Christine Sarkis, and you already had Hudson

600
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: card there. He got Queen viewers. But then he was

601
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: able to get BArch Manny and that was big. More importantly,

602
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: they were able to hold off schools that kept trying

603
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: to flip him down the street. Georgia was making a

604
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: big push. They got his signature, but then what do

605
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: they else do they do? On signing day? Tasie Theaconna

606
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: is the number one player in the state of Utah.

607
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: He's a top thirty five player nationally. On Saturday night,

608
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Speaker 1: his sister served match point in the Texas Louisville National

609
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: Championship game. She was originally at Nebraska. The longest time,

610
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Speaker 1: did it look like Oconno was going to end up

611
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, maybe at LSU, but Texas wouldn't go away.

612
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: Saturday night, she serves match point. They won the National championship.

613
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: Four days later, her brother annalysis for the University of

614
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Speaker 1: Texas peaked Kakowski. I don't think any coach, even though

615
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: he played in Utah, he's from Hawaii. He moved to

616
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Speaker 1: Utah when Hawaii canceled football during the COVID year, went

617
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: back to Hawaii after the football season ended. I don't

618
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: think any coach had gone and spend more time in

619
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Speaker 1: Hawaii when he was allowed to in the last four

620
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: weeks than peaked Baikowski and Jeff cho And it paid

621
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Speaker 1: off because Oklahoma looked like the favorite. They got him

622
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: today and that was big for them because we know

623
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Texas school. We know Texas's offense can move the but

624
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: as great as a defensive coordinator as Pyakowski was when

625
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: he was at Washington, when he was at Boise State,

626
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: there was some defensive holes that he inherited and that

627
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Stath inherited from Tom Herman. So they'd made it an

628
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: effort to really get you know, we watched Sark when

629
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: he was at USC when he was at Washington, they

630
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: never lacked for offensive fireworks, and he would get a

631
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: elite defensive player or two every year, a Shaq Thompson,

632
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: a Danny Shelton, Anadri Jackson, but it never was collectively

633
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: like it needed to be. Now Texas realizes we could

634
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: score with anybody. We got stop people, and getting a

635
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: guy like tass cv Acada was huge for them, and

636
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: I think it was big because, you know, it's also

637
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: showing that the Texas brand, which has always been so

638
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: prominent in the state of Texas, and maybe expanded. They

639
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: got two players that are originally from Hawaii, including their

640
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: first player ever from Hawaii as a high schooler, Leoneo Lafoule,

641
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: who was best friends with Toss Seeley high school teammates

642
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: when they were originally starting out. Then he goes into Utah.

643
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: So Sark uses some of those west As in the ads,

644
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: not just focusing on the state of Texas, but really

645
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: focusing national and letting Texas be the national brand. And

646
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: it's starting to work out that way. And now they

647
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Speaker 1: had the number three class in the country and.

648
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Speaker 2: How do you talk Texas without talking Oklahoma who. I

649
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: don't know what the ranking is at the moment, it's

650
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: somewhere around the top ten. I think it's inside the

651
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: top ten. They seem to be headlined by a five

652
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: star Ish quarterback and Jackson Arnold, but not a particularly

653
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: exciting signing day, which doesn't mean anything obviously, if you

654
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: put together the class well ahead of time, how do

655
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: you evaluate Oklahoma's class, especially given that warm bodies are

656
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: needed on that defense, because you know, Brent Venables needs

657
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: those playmakers after what was put on the field this year.

658
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: So you know what we talked about how Marcus Freeman

659
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: had a rough day, I would say that brand Venables

660
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: had any of the rougher day because we know Notre

661
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: Dame defense is strong. We know that Marcus Freeman is

662
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: a great defensive mind, and I think that that defense

663
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: this year, you know, showed a lot of town, a

664
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Speaker 1: lot of promise outside of the Red River are not

665
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: the river, what's what they call it, the bednet? Outside

666
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: of the Oklahoma State game, Oklahoma was defense was definitely

667
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 1: lacking in defense. And this year they looked like they

668
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: were gonna be able to solve some of the problems

669
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Speaker 1: by going and getting Peyton Bowen out of Texas even

670
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: though he was committed under Dame. A lot of people

671
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: again thought he was going to flip to these swers today.

672
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk that that was going

673
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: to happen, and they were the leaders for a kana

674
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: And not only did they lose Bowen to Oregon, but

675
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: they're losing a kana but not just losing Akanda, to

676
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: lose him too Texas. That hurts because those that defense

677
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: needed help. That defense needed young, playable talent, and Peyton Bowen,

678
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: with his size and skill set at the safety position,

679
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: would have been a hell of a flip for brand Venables.

680
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: But Akanda, with his size and athleticism either an off

681
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: ball linebacker even playing it as an edge, was definitely

682
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: going to be Now you got to see him go

683
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: to your arrival, Oklahom was going to have a top

684
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: ten class. It's a very good class, a very promising

685
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: class in brand Venables full year, first full year there.

686
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: But like we saw with another Dame, and like we

687
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: so with you see, you know, there's a lot of

688
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: things that happen on signing day that didn't necessarily go

689
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: in their favor. So it tastes a little bit of

690
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: the luster, even though if you look at it from

691
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: start to finish, this is a strong flast. They just

692
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: would love to have added Bowen or O'Connor or even

693
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: just one of the two.

694
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: What percentage of the text conversations or in person conversations

695
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: or however you're communic hating conversations involve the word.

696
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: Bag a Let's see, the old phrase of oh, we

697
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: got this guy in the bag has been replaced with

698
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: he's chasing that bag or depending on how big the

699
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: bag is depended on how many letter a's were in

700
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: the word back because there was bag and then there

701
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: was bag. You know, this is going to shock everybody.

702
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Recruits is to get money before nil ever existed. I

703
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: know it's going to blow people away. But now it's

704
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: just out in the open. And the thing is that

705
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot of schools that they're now using that

706
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: as their crutch when they lose the recruit. There are

707
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: some schools that, let's not ignore it, let's not make

708
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: a mistake. They are was a nil to their advantage,

709
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: but they're doing it kind of inside the lines because

710
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: the NCAA never really set a parameter, and they tried to,

711
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: but it was too late at that point. There's some

712
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: schools that are using it in the way that it

713
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: was intended to be by the letter of the law,

714
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: in you know, actually using the nil for the players

715
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: on campus already. Then there's other schools that are like, hey,

716
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: nudge Ledge week week, We're going to take care of you.

717
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: When you get here. You can go show up at

718
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Smith, Kiev, Tuscaloosa or Birmingham or wherever

719
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: it is. I'm not picking on Island down, hands up,

720
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: just the first random Birmingham's yeah, exactly. Hey, I either

721
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: be in Auburn and I'm in the state of Washington,

722
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: so I could have said that. But there's a lot

723
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: of schools that you know, are hard doing it the

724
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: way it was intended. But that's the problem is they're

725
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: not going to end up elite classes if they aren't

726
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: getting out ahead of it. And I think the reality

727
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: is this is college school. When I keep reading about

728
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: oh Man, this is ruining college football. I've been following

729
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: college football since nineteen eighty two. I've been covering it

730
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: since two thousand and three. Every other year there's a

731
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: new thing that's going to redestroy college football. Every other

732
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: year there's something that is ruining the game we love.

733
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: And then every year you get the ratings and you

734
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: see the radis through the roof. So college football is

735
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: not being destroyed. It's just evolving at a different pace

736
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: than maybe he used to next thing you're going to

737
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: tell me is that college basketball players at the AAU

738
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: basketball is ruining college basketball, and college basketball players are

739
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: getting money under the table, and yet the NCAA Tournament

740
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: sees me just as exciting as it enter was. So

741
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: if you know it's as bad as everybody says, why

742
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: do the ratings keep going out, going through the roof?

743
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: Why are we, you know, continue to talk about college

744
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: football to the point where you have millions of people

745
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: that tune in just to watch a bunch of athletic

746
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: directors sit in a conference room in Arlington to tell

747
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: you a bunch of braptics on a screen. And every

748
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, people get ready to be mad before two

749
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: hours before and then are mad for the six days

750
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: afterwards because college football isn't going anywhere. It's just in

751
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: the evolving of college football that I don't think people

752
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: were prepared for. And what it is, it's a threat

753
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: to those schools that have been the status quo big dogs,

754
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: and now the new school schools come along and they're

755
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of shaking things up. And people wanted to be

756
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: back to the seeing five teams that were good every

757
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: year like they were in the eighties and nineties.

758
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Speaker 2: Part of me wonders, and you can speak to this

759
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: more accurately. Of course, part of me wonders is it's

760
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: not the money as much as it is the organization

761
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 2: and structure behind the money. That if you sit down

762
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: with a prospect and a prospect's parents or a prospects

763
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: coach or something like that, and you can lay out

764
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: on paper that this is a professionalized operation even though

765
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: we're dealing with quote unquote amateurs, that suddenly a prospect

766
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: is going to say, okay, school X presented things like this,

767
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: and school why said no, We'll make sure you're taken

768
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: care of. And it's not the money thing, because a

769
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: lot of schools have money, a lot of schools have

770
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: rich boosters. But it's almost the presentation of how everything

771
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: will unfold. Does that make any sense?

772
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: Oh?

773
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's all the presentation. That's why you have Twitter

774
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: beefs like we saw during the summer between various collectives

775
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: about hey, we're spending more than you are. Well, you're

776
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: spending way more than us, so you're dirty. Well no,

777
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: we're just spending more money better than you are because

778
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: we have more of it to spend. And I think

779
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: there's a big reason why you're seeing the rights deals

780
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: the instead of the pollege football rights deals becoming so

781
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: important to athletic directors because now they can't go to

782
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: their boosters and say, hey, we need buy out money

783
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: to get rid of this coach that we ridiculously overpaid

784
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: and signed in the nine years. But we don't have

785
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: ninety million to make him go away. They need that

786
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: money to come from those TV deals because those boosters

787
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: are now saying, hey, if you're not going to fire him,

788
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: we're not giving you another cent made him out. You

789
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: guys are the dummies that wrote that contract. But what

790
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: it's collective out because this might get us Joe Smith

791
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: or Bob Jones to come here and that might be

792
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: the difference that puts us over the top. Our coach

793
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: might not be good, but if we give him the talent,

794
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: he can be good. And I think that that's the

795
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: only thing is that it's like you said, it's the present.

796
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: It's some are doing it a lot better than others.

797
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: Living in Seattle, you know, being from Los Angeles, being

798
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: from the West coast, people say, well, how is you know,

799
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: University of Washington not flourishing? And I'll do when you

800
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: got Boeing and you've got Amazon and you got Microsoft, Well, yeah,

801
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: those three businesses are global brands. They're not going to

802
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: stake their claim to Michael Penny. They're not gonna put

803
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: all their time and energy into Jalen mcmill and they're

804
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: going to go to the NFL player, the Seahawks, the Mariners.

805
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna do the big thing. Amazon pays all this

806
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: money for an arena and they don't even call it

807
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: the Amazon Arena, they call it Climate Pledge. They have

808
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: that much money, but they're not going to direct it

809
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: to college sports. Then you go to the smaller towns.

810
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: How do the smaller college towns have inspective? Because that's

811
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: what's important to that town, that's what's important to that market.

812
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: And that's why you're seeing the big city the big

813
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: market teams, the Stamfords, the Cows, the UCLA's, the Northwesterns,

814
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: the University of Washington's, of those schools that are in big,

815
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: major markets. They're not getting the nil backing because those

816
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: big corporations don't care about college sports. And so then

817
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: the natural reaction is, well, everybody else is doing it

818
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: this way. No, they're just smarter on how they present

819
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: it and smarter in how they get it, and you're

820
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: not mad that these schools are doing NL. I go

821
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: back to the Jimbo Fisher Nick Saban's spat this summer.

822
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: You can never convince me that Nick Saban was intending

823
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: to take a shot at Nick Jimbo Fisher. What he

824
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: was intending to do was tell his boosters, y'all better

825
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: get with the times. And this is a call to arc.

826
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: When Ryan Day does an interview and says you need

827
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: twelve and a half million dollars to build a class,

828
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: he's not just thrown out a number, He's doing the map,

829
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: and it says so that an NIL collective in Columbus says, okay, guys,

830
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: now we know we need to get to These coaches

831
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: are calling their own boosters to the arms and saying

832
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: this is what we need to do to be competitive,

833
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: because this is how college football's going. The other thing,

834
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I know a long win on this, but it's been

835
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: such a passionate subject that people keep talking about is

836
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: don't believe that everything you read. If I saw the numbers,

837
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: and that some of the numbers that you hear and

838
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: you speculate on I mean, what we're talking these guys

839
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: are getting Patrick Mahomes like deals. According to social media,

840
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: it's like the worst game of telephone ever. These deals

841
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: are not nearly as lucrative as social media as saying,

842
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: but it becomes they you know, hey, we're our thing

843
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: is bigger than your things, So we're going to show

844
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: you how much money we're spending to show you what

845
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: a poverty program you are. But the reality is is

846
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: it's humorous. It's not really as lucrative as they're saying.

847
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: It just makes you look like you're in the game.

848
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: If you keep saying we have this much more money.

849
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: To spend, the money grow from last year to this year.

850
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely did. I mean I would say in

851
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: probably triple digit percentages. Wow, Because you have a guy

852
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: like John Ruiz at Miami who was basically said, hey,

853
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to support this program. I mean, in one

854
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: of the most damning with faint praise tweets I saw

855
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: all week, he was defending a Florida Collective head. He

856
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: was taking some shots from Florida Booster and it was

857
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: almost his nice civil flexus saying, yeah, you know, give

858
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: him a break, he's had a rough you know, let's

859
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: support it. But it's also like his way of saying, like, Okay,

860
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be okay Florida fans, but you're still not

861
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna have as much money as iety. People aren't hiding

862
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: it anymore.

863
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: Right, makes sense of the the top two four seven?

864
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Uh?

865
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: How does the how does the attitude toward the that

866
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: towards nil that the players have? Is it out in

867
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: the open on a visit? Is it a parent?

868
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: Is it? What? How?

869
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 2: How is that broached? How is that conversation broach? Typically

870
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: like this is what I expect? Or does the school say?

871
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Or does the school say via representatives of the collective

872
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: and the representative the collective contacts? Like what is the

873
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: actual transaction and conversation back and forth?

874
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: Like so remember the old days when it used to

875
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: be about how great your facilities were? Did you have

876
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: a barber shop in the locker room? Did you have,

877
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, a great training table? Nobody cares about that anymore.

878
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: The first questions out of these kids' mouth after we

879
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: have a scholarship offer for you is like, hey, tell

880
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: you about that nil deal. I've had coaches telling me

881
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: that on their official visits. They never even got to

882
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: the things that they really wanted to show the kid,

883
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: the academic advisors, the campus, the nihlight, because right off

884
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: the bat the kids said, Hey, this is what I'm

885
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: giving from this school. What are you guys going to do?

886
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: And immediately it soured the coaches on that kid as

887
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: a recruit. Now, those are a lot of those property

888
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: program schools that aren't willing to pay, But even the

889
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: schools that are really good at nil, they're getting tired

890
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: that the first thing kids you're asking for is nil

891
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: money and what kind of deals they're getting elsewhere to

892
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: kind of up the ante, to wet the beak a

893
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: little bit and try to stay in it. And it's

894
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: replaced facilities, let's replace training table academics. Not at every school,

895
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: but at a lot of schools. The other thing that

896
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: you're finding out is that the coaches are saying, we

897
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: had guys coming in and these are schools that have

898
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: top twenty recruiting classes. We got twenty guys coming in

899
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: in all twenty three. They're getting an nil deal. We

900
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: got walk on kickers that think they're going to get

901
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: the same nil deal that the five star pass rusher

902
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: is going to get. And all these kids are asking

903
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: for this, and coaches like, dude, your NIL is the

904
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: NLI we're sending to you to give you one hundred

905
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars worths of education for the next

906
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: four years. If that's not good enough, go find somewhere else,

907
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: because you're not good enough to command those kind of

908
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: resources and that kind of funding. So it's definitely taking

909
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: a turn where even the coaches are annoyed by aiding,

910
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: upset with it. But you know what, guess who's the

911
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: one that let the genie out of the box. Who's

912
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: the ones that open Pandora's boxes. It's those coaches that

913
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: keep having those poison pills in their contracts that basically

914
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: bankrupt athletic departments and hold them hostage. For Peter, I

915
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: was reading something this week. I can't remember if it

916
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: was in the Athletic or where I was reading it,

917
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: but there was an article this week about the business

918
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: practices that if you lost X amount of money in

919
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: a business that you ran, you would be bankrupt and

920
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: know he would ever hire you to run their business.

921
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: And yet college coaches are given all their money to

922
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: or are given the collectors money, and if they hit

923
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: on half the class. That's a successful class, But I

924
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: mean's fifty percent of the money just got wasted. You're

925
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: not going to stay employed if that's what your return

926
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: on the investment is. So these coaches are the ones

927
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: that are complained about it, But like, hey, do you

928
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: really need ten to fifteen million dollars a year to

929
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: coach a team? Probably not.

930
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 2: So who's billy bean? Who is who's playing small ball?

931
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: Who's playing smart? Who is getting more with less? Not

932
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: in terms of perceived talent level on recruiting rankings, but

933
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: who's budget whose salary cap seems to be you believe

934
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: to be extremely low, but they're getting the most out

935
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: of their roster.

936
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: I would probably say Utah. And here's why it's not

937
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: just because Kyle Whittingham is in my opinion, the best

938
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: coach in the Pac twelve and has the best eye

939
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: for talent and does his best job developing. But if

940
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: you look at Utah, they're not playing the portal game

941
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: all that heavily. They get returning missionaries, they get some

942
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: guys that maybe went to by that ultimately transfer there. Yeah,

943
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: they got, you know, a linebacker from Florida. This year,

944
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: They've done a couple of transfers. Cam Rising was.

945
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: Gonna say, maybe their best modern quarterback as a transfer, but.

946
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, they're their best quarterbacks a transfer. But he

947
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a guy who was able to go have a

948
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: great season and then going to the Cortland command thousands

949
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: or millions. He was a guy who was buried in

950
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: the depth, try to Texas and now he's back. Can

951
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: we just talk about the fact that he was once

952
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: originally committed to Lincoln Riley and now he's right, yeah,

953
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: this year against Lincoln Riley. So there's another funny story there.

954
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: But I think you know, you taught bydu made no

955
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: bones about the program that they had last year, nil

956
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: wise for the walk off where they were essentially having

957
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: an energy bar or breakfast part company paying for all

958
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: the walk because you taugh is not out in front

959
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: like that. They don't have a giantflected, they don't have

960
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: a very deep pocketed alumni base it's willing to throw

961
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: money at it. And yet here they are, for the

962
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: second year in a row, playing in a new year

963
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: six bool. So I think that it's not just what

964
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham does on the field, it's how he handles

965
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: that program off the field that has them punching above

966
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: their way in. Yeah, they're they're like the A's in

967
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: the sense that, you know what, they may not have

968
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: the sexiest roster left to right up and down, but

969
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: everybody else seems to want their players when they get

970
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: to the NFL kind of like everybody gets to the

971
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: trade diveline, they want those Oakland A's. And I think that,

972
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, given the market that they're in compared to

973
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: some of the other cities in the Pac twelve, what

974
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: they're doing is pretty remarkable because they just don't see

975
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: me playing on the same playing.

976
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: Field that other schools are interesting. Okay, so then let's

977
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: look across the country. Now, across the country. You've been

978
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: to camps, you've been to games, You've seen I assume

979
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent of the bigger prospects that

980
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: are signing or are about to sign. Which guys that

981
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: you've seen, were you confused that they were still in

982
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: high school? They are physically because of their you know,

983
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: their height, their weight, their speed, their ability where you're like,

984
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: that's not fair. This is already a freshman in college.

985
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: This is already a junior in college. Who are those

986
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, the the ready to just step onto a

987
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: college field immediately and be good guys.

988
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean Samson opin Lola. If you would have told

989
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: me that he was in the scene graduating class as

990
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: Cam mc cormick was, I would believe you. Cam McCormick

991
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: will probably be still playing college football by the time

992
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: Samson ok Loola's college career is out of eligibility. But

993
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: he's had a beard that I can't even try to

994
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: grow if I wanted to. He looks like, I mean,

995
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: he's the pancake contract. You can call him whatever he

996
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: wants to be called, because he has that look of

997
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: a guy who's thirty five years old, Francis Maligo. It's

998
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: funny because you look at him and he still has

999
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: his baby face and he kind of won like, what's

1000
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: he going to look like after a few years in college?

1001
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: Samsonofalola could walk into a bar and probably buy a

1002
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: round for everybody, not saying he does, but he's got

1003
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: that look to him like he is a old man.

1004
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: And it's so surprised that Mario likes to go get

1005
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: a big offensive lineman like that who he kind of

1006
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: reminds me of Balanced Leatherwood. I've received holluse Oleatherwood the

1007
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: opening one year, and I mean Alice oather would look

1008
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: like he was thirty seven years old and was dropping

1009
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: his kids off with the Y and go and playing

1010
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: it a little bit of pick up basketball. Samsony is

1011
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: the is the I mean he might be as old

1012
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: as the original and has the ability right.

1013
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: It's not just the look his his physical ability is

1014
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: he's ready to step on the field and contribute next year.

1015
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's got bold man's strength because he's

1016
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: an old man, but he's got ability that he's going

1017
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: to be able to play right away. And you know

1018
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: the other guy who's probably the most just biggest freak

1019
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: of nature, maybe it doesn't look like he's thirty five,

1020
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: is Nicholas Harbor. I mean, this is a guy who's

1021
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: a pass rusher and he's running ten four ten, five

1022
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: hundreds And I know, you know you're you're a big

1023
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: track sand Dan And you look at the track guys

1024
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: that were used to see and they're the size of

1025
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: a Devon Allen and and Dori Jackson not the size

1026
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: of Nicholas Harbor. Hand boy, he can do physically. I

1027
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: mean he is the freak of all freaks in you know,

1028
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: three years from now, he will definitely be on the

1029
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: first page of Bruce Boldman's long form on the biggest

1030
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: Freaks in College Football.

1031
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: Anybody else that stands out to you? How about quarterbacks?

1032
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: Because this class is specifically and you've talked about this,

1033
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: the most impressive quarterback class at the top that you

1034
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: can remember, just in the last few years anyway, obviously

1035
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: Arch Manning, Nico to Tennessee, Dante More to Ucla, Malachi

1036
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: Nelson to USC Who am I forgetting at the top?

1037
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: Jackson Arnold Oklahoma?

1038
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, neok Nico, Jamoliava, Dante Moore, you know, Jade Rashan

1039
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, you know Christazina. You know, it's funny

1040
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: because you look at this quarterback class and the top

1041
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: three players in the country are all quarterbacks, and then

1042
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: you look at a guy like Malachi He's the number

1043
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: seven rank overall player, but he's the fourth best quarterback.

1044
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: Like it's a razor thin quarterback class. We kind of

1045
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: wanted this debate in twenty twenty when we had Rice

1046
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: Young number one, just by DJ being ranked ahead of

1047
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: the majority of the year, and then this late charge

1048
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: from CJ. Stroud from a three star before his spring

1049
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: of his junior year to a five star and a

1050
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: top three player. The quarterbacks this year, they had been

1051
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: bunched up, were like any given Wednesday, somebody might have

1052
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: a new favorite quarterback. I mean, you and I have

1053
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: texted a bunch like, hey, how would he Hier rank

1054
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks? And it always kind of fluctuates. I have

1055
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: still been of the mindset since the beginning that Nico,

1056
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: to me is the best quarterback in this class. You know,

1057
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: I've been a big Jayden Rashata guy. I've always had

1058
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: in kind of that top two or three. But you know,

1059
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: Archie has always been the name everybody talks about. Do

1060
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: I think he's overrated Number one? No, you can convince

1061
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: me he is the number one guy. But I think

1062
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: that all five are so interchangeable. And then you get

1063
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: a guy like Jackson Arnold, who's been a little bit

1064
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: like a CJ. Shot, except he had more attention early

1065
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: on his senior year. Play has put into that conversation

1066
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: with Malachi Nelson, Nico and Dante More and arj and

1067
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: Ra shot At. And you look at this class and

1068
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: you see that you know there could be five or

1069
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: seven top fifteen type of quarterbacks in this class. It's

1070
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback heavy draft year, or even when the quarterbacks

1071
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: aren't that good, we still see a lot of quarterbacks

1072
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: they drafted. This could be one of those year where

1073
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: there's five or six guys in twenty twenty six, twenty

1074
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: twenty seven. A lot of these names are going to

1075
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: be green room guys. Who's ready, who seems to be

1076
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: the most advanced intellectually, emotionally Obviously, these guys physically have

1077
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: the arms, they have the tools, They're athletic. You know,

1078
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: they can go downfield. You've seen them playing games, You've

1079
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: seen them play at camps. A lot of these guys

1080
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: were at Lead eleven.

1081
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: Guys who is who is like the advanced silicon processor,

1082
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: who just seems like he's like, oh, he's going to

1083
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: get it quicker than these other guys.

1084
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a cop out to say, but

1085
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: I'll say it. The most college ready of these guys

1086
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: is probably Art. You know, this is a guy who's

1087
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: just been under the microscope for so long. You know

1088
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: he's got ice water in the veins, just a steely demeanor,

1089
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: and you know he's going to be one of those

1090
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: guys and it's going to be easy to understand the

1091
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: offensive playbook. It's going to be he's either to read defenses.

1092
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, physically he's a little bit still on the

1093
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: skinnier side. You can probably cut all a little bit. Wait,

1094
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: but there's not going to be I don't think there's

1095
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: going to be the push to have him play as

1096
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: a true freshman. Not with Queen you was there, I

1097
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: would say Dante Moore is a four year starter in Michigan.

1098
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: In Detroit, He's walking into a great situation where Dorian

1099
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: Thompson Robinson is finally graduated. I think he was in

1100
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: that same class with Camil Ornick. He's going to probably

1101
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: have the best chance to play just on a pure

1102
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: depth chart. Standpoint Nego another one of those guys. He's

1103
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: just he's got this relaxed, cool demeanor to him. He's

1104
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: a beach volleyball player. He's an indoor volleyball player. You

1105
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: know football is important to him, but he spent the

1106
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: summer playing on the Junior Olympic Volleyball Tour. You know,

1107
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: he just likes to play sports. He's athletic. And you

1108
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: talk about somebody who's been under a microscope, arch might

1109
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: have been under it for four years. But ever since

1110
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: the words started trickling out about the first big nil quarterback,

1111
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: it's been Nico and he hasn't shot away from it,

1112
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: and I think he's embraced it. Malachi is probably he

1113
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: got the best position that he's going to be going

1114
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: and backing up a Heisman Trophy winner. And you're looking

1115
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: with leaky Riley did at Oklahoma, where you know, after

1116
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: he started getting his legs under him with after the transfers,

1117
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: he would stagger it. He'd get Spencer rather the two

1118
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: yars later he got Caleb Williams. Two years after that,

1119
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: malachiwas committed to him at Oklahoma. There was not a

1120
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: reason to rush him in and play right away. So

1121
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: he might be the safest bet of all those guys

1122
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: because there's the least amount of pressure on him to

1123
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: play next year. But the one wild card that I

1124
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: want to throw in there as a guy that I think,

1125
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, has a chance to come in and play

1126
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: that I think is going to be kind of an

1127
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: dynamic player, really fascinating to watch is Avery Johnson. You

1128
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: know he's out of Kansas, He's going to Kansas State.

1129
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you look back at Kansas State

1130
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: and calling Klin ten years ago was playing in college football.

1131
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: Now he's coaching there. Time flies, But there's not the

1132
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: microscope under Kansas State's quarterbacks like there are at Ohio State,

1133
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: like there is at Oklahoma, like there is a Texas,

1134
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: like there is a Florida, like there is a USC

1135
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: But Avery Johnson might be that guy. He's a freak athlete,

1136
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: he's all around athlete, he's a hooper and just there's

1137
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: something wired about him that it makes you think he's

1138
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: going to be that kind of that sneaky guy who

1139
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: is a highly rated player, but it's going to just

1140
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: quietly have the player cup. From a physical standpoint to

1141
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: Jared GoF isn't fair because he's a far better athlete

1142
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: than Jared Goff. But I don't think anybody in the world,

1143
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: even though we had Jared Goff is a four star,

1144
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: nobody foresaw him being the number wockle overall pit. And yeah,

1145
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: Jared Goff may not have had the arm as Matt Stafford,

1146
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: but he's been so steady in his career. Avery Johnson's

1147
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: that guy that I could see him just kind of

1148
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: slipping under the radar, being effected and playing early on,

1149
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: maybe as a true freshman, and just as he gets

1150
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: better each year, Kansas State stock continues to soar. They

1151
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: won the Big Twelve this year, but I could see

1152
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: them being a playoff contender in these next couple of

1153
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: years with Avery Johnson running that offense.

1154
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: Who's going to have final question, who's going to have

1155
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: the best January, who's going to close, who's going to grow,

1156
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: Who is going to be the story of the next

1157
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 2: five weeks.

1158
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Colorado on that one, and that's

1159
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: largely because Dion just needed a little bit more time.

1160
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: I think the balancing back and forth between Jackson State

1161
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: and Colorado, you know, just kind of dealing with the

1162
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: initial excitement of him taking over the program and then

1163
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: the fallout of having to get rid of a bunch

1164
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: of players in that class and just a sperialistic we're

1165
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: Power five level players or Pack twelve level players, but

1166
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: then trying to find the bodies they're going to be

1167
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: big with portal guys, and if he gets a number

1168
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: of these Jackson State players that are expected to come

1169
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: with them, but then remember the portal open the day

1170
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: after the playoffs were announced. But I think you're going

1171
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: to see the portal really start to blow open over

1172
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: the next ten to twelve days as the playoffs get here,

1173
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: as the rest of the after Christmas Bowl games get going,

1174
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: because that window still exists in the January, and I

1175
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: think we're about to get ready for the second wave

1176
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: of transfers out of the program and guys that are playing,

1177
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 1: Guys that you wouldn't expect to go out.

1178
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 4: Of the portal.

1179
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison like players that aren't, you know, part of

1180
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: a coaching change, not happy that they're not playing. These

1181
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: are the guys that are playing and playing at a

1182
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: high level, but they're looking to make that move once

1183
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: the ball games are done.

1184
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, I'd lie. The last actual question is even

1185
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: though Ty's not here, even though Notre Dame had disappointment

1186
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: during this last class with Keon Keeley, I believe his

1187
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: name is the edge rusher obviously, Peyton Bowen, Jade Lamar.

1188
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: They've had some flips. They were the number one class,

1189
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: top five class for a good stretch of time. Talk

1190
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: to me about what Notre Dame does have and still

1191
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: what appears to be a very impressive top ten caliber class.

1192
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when you know, watch the lider Name's

1193
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: offense this year. I mean, you know, Drew Pine had

1194
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: his he had his issues. The offense was just not that.

1195
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: I was out of the Notre Dame Stanford game in October,

1196
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: and you know I watched maybe the worst Stanford team

1197
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: I've seen since Buddy Tevens or Walt Harris was there,

1198
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: beaten in South End. Because Notre Dame could not move

1199
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: the ball. They needed some help at the skill position.

1200
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: They had Tobias Smiriweather. It was a true freshman catch

1201
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: a touchdown in that game. But other than that, they

1202
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: they don't seem to have the explosive receivers we got

1203
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: used to Notre Dame and habit like they did under

1204
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: Ray Kellis. So what do they do this year. Well,

1205
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: they make it a priority to get pass catchers. They've

1206
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: got Raylan James, who's a very fast electric receiver out

1207
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: of Texas. They went back into Texas, down into Austin.

1208
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: They get Jayden Grayhouse. The Texas really wanted big body guy,

1209
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: very physical receiver. They bring him. And they get Rico

1210
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: Flores out of Fullsome High School in Sacramento, a guy

1211
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: that's been a part of one of the best office

1212
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: A systems. Speaking of Stanford, Troy Taylor, the new head

1213
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: coach of Stanford, used to the head coach at Fulsom

1214
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: High School. So it's a program that's been putting up

1215
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: numbers and throwing the ball for a ton. Rico Flores

1216
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: is one of the best receivers in California. And then

1217
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: they got Kayla Smith out of Frisco, Texas, so they've

1218
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: made Texas kind of a priority this year with some

1219
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: of the receivers. And then they also got you know,

1220
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: your classic typical Notre Dame tight end at Cooper Flaming Game,

1221
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Like how typical is he? I swear every tit? And

1222
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,479
Speaker 1: that's played at Notre Dame and at some point played

1223
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: lacrosse in their background, and he was a lacrosse player

1224
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: going up and now he's going to go to Notre

1225
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: Dame and play tight end. The last great tight end

1226
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: from Dalla Cell High School was a guy named Isaiah

1227
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: Foski who ended up being an All American pass rusher for

1228
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: the Irish Cooper Flannagay will be a tight end there

1229
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: with Mike Mayer Levan. There's going to be the opportunity

1230
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: to come in and play I don't know that he

1231
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: starts right away, but I see him getting playing time already,

1232
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: a plus blocker playing in that Dala cell vaunted beer

1233
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: office that they ride. But a guy that really shined

1234
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: on the camp in seven on seventh Circuit to show

1235
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: that he could be a bass catcher. So Notre Dame

1236
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: realizing that while they had any elite tight end in

1237
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: Michael Mayer, they needed an upgrade at the receiver position.

1238
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: Chancey Suckie's come in and done a fantastic job in

1239
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: year one at the receiver position. Start giving Tyler Buppner

1240
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: if he's sell thy next year some key targets.

1241
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 2: Brandon Hoffman two four seven Sports, thank you so much

1242
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: for all of your time, your insight, and all of

1243
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: your let's call it texting off the record things that

1244
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: are incredible for me this cycle.

1245
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: Dan, anytime I can just give you some context, yes,

1246
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: as he would be prepared for this show. That's what

1247
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm here for. Well, thanks again, thanks a lot. All right, Dan,

1248
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: there you go. Brandon Hoffman. Wow, we obviously are pasting

1249
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: this interview in between our intro.

1250
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: And I'll peel back that on you and that curtain

1251
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: that kimono.

1252
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to act in this moment before

1253
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: the interview that I know what was said during the interview.

1254
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I won't do that. I'm not inauthentic like that.

1255
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: You can take in different takes. You can do different

1256
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: takes and then just use the one that is most appropriate,

1257
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 2: that requires work, that does require work. I'm editing this

1258
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: late at night, posting it to the feed late at night.

1259
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: We're not gonna We're not gonna go that route. So

1260
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: the one thing I can say with utter confidence is

1261
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: that Brandon as always spectacular.

1262
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 4: I'm sure you.

1263
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 3: Would agree, even though.

1264
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: Technically a time of recording you have yet to speak.

1265
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: That's true, and I uh, I'm always grateful for his time,

1266
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: even though as we record this, I don't know that

1267
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: I will be now, of course I am all right, Ty.

1268
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: We still have five or six more weeks of recruiting

1269
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: stuff because of new coaches and kids holding back on

1270
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: signing until they you know, taking a visual official visit

1271
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: and meet the new staff and new co whatever. There's

1272
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: All Star Game announcements, there are going to there's a

1273
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: going to be another wave of transfers after Bowl season.

1274
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: Kids who are like, you know what, I feel obligated,

1275
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: especially maybe because my team is in a big bowl,

1276
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: my team is in the playoff that I want to contribute.

1277
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: I want to see where the season ends, but I

1278
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: feel like I want to play somewhere else next year

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Speaker 2: or however many years. And so there's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: Yep, keep it right here. We will be continuing the

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Speaker 3: podcast train all throughout bowl season and then deep into

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Speaker 3: the off season as recruiting continues to ratchet up. No

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Speaker 3: in time, it's turned into a year round sports So

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Speaker 3: your podcasting app of choice. One more time before we

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Speaker 3: let you go, CELLI rubblelive dot com. Come see us

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Speaker 3: in La if you'll be in the area, if you

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Speaker 3: know people in the area. Again January the seventh, that

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Speaker 3: The Truebadour are going to be a smashing good time

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Speaker 3: code named one True Champion. Could be our last show ever,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, could be our last live show ever.

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Speaker 3: We turn into the Beatles and the only time you're

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Speaker 3: rooftop in London and that's impromptu ty as you know.

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Speaker 3: So this could be our last last show ever as

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Speaker 3: a duo. Who knows for that guy over there, my

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Speaker 3: good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrand, Thanks again

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Speaker 3: for downloading, for listening, for playing along at home. Make

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Speaker 4: We'll talk y'all next week. In the meantime, stay soft peace,