1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. 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I am Captain ronin Today we're 16 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 4: speaking with doctor Doug Bettner. Doctor Betner is an aerospace 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 4: systems analyst and UFO UAP researcher specializing in scientific evaluation 18 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 4: of unidentified aerial phenomenon. He serves on the board of 19 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 4: the Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies as CU, where he 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: conducts detailed case analysis and contributes to peer reviewed research 21 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: aimed at distinguishing genuine anomalies from misidentified aerospace and astronomical objects. 22 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: He is also the co founder and chief technologist of 23 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: cit dot io, a crowdsourced observation platform designed to improve 24 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: UAP data quality through triangulation and geospatial analysis. Welcome doctor, 25 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: So nice to have you here. 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 5: Oh, thank you. I'm very happy to be invited. I 27 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 5: mean you've got quite quite the following. 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 4: So we're very happy. How things are going. Contexts going great. 29 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 4: I want to ask you this. So you've been investigating 30 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 4: this and looking at UAP and looking at aspects of 31 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 4: the phenomenon for quite some time, and I was wondering, 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: looking at all the data that you have over this time, 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: have you moved one way or another? Like at this point, 34 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 4: do you feel it's more likely that there's something offworld 35 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: or alien about this? Or are you feeling the more 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 4: I dig into us, the more none of this is real. 37 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: It's most likely a terrestrial explanation. 38 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 5: Well, a great question. So you know, the thing is, 39 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 5: it's such a multifaceted problem. I mean, there's not just 40 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 5: one angle on it. You know, if you start looking carefully, 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 5: I mean doing your own research and diving into the 42 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 5: different kinds of craft that get reported and what i'll 43 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 5: call the history reports going back. I mean me personally. 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 5: The reason I'm even interested in the subject is because, 45 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: you know, my grandfather passed away before I was born, 46 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 5: but apparently, in nineteen forty seven flap in Portland, Oregon, 47 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 5: my mom and cousins and stuff say that my grandfather 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 5: saw a UFO out in the field behind their house. 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 5: And now, you know, the stories over the years have 50 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 5: changed in terms of I thought, I remember hearing that 51 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 5: he had actually seen aliens walking around it. But at 52 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 5: a minimum, I mean, that's a documented case. I mean 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 5: you can go look it up in Michael Sword Robert 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 5: Powell's book. Now, the thing that happened about three years later. 55 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: My mom was only about three at that time, well 56 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 5: actually two at that time. She said about when she 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 5: was five is she's she reported seeing a couple of 58 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 5: the UAPs. So, you know, growing up with this, these 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 5: you know, these stories, the family lore, if you will, 60 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 5: got me interested in the subject. I mean reading about 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 5: it when I was a kid. But you know, then 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 5: I started getting into into science and physics and what 63 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 5: have you, and doing stuff for NASA. I mean, it 64 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 5: was doing more you know what we could actually do ourselves. Right. 65 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 5: But now when I when I moved out here to Utah, 66 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 5: I started getting interested in the Skinwalker ranch and watching 67 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 5: some of what they've got on video. I came to 68 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 5: I came to a conclusion it's either it's either a 69 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 5: lie or it's the truth, right, And the only way 70 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 5: I'm going to find out is is researching myself. And 71 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 5: I've talked to a lot of people in the community, 72 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 5: you know, I hear lots of great stories. Personally, I'm 73 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 5: a I'm a physical evidence kind of guy. 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 4: You know. 75 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 5: I do a lot of the analysis on the videos 76 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 5: and photographs, and I'm still I'm still waiting for a 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 5: smoking gun. So I'll keep I'll keep crossing my fingers 78 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 5: that I'll you know, come across it. But I mean, 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 5: based on the statistics that you know I've read about 80 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 5: and seeing, you know, the vast majority of stuff is 81 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 5: going to be prosaic objects. Unfortunately, what we're looking really 82 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 5: for is that smoking gun or that two or three spece. 83 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 4: I don't say unfortunately, like I sure you would say 84 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 4: The data is the data. It is what it is. 85 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: If most of it has an explanation that way, then 86 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: most of it does. I mean that's where I live 87 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: right dead center on this issue. 88 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 5: Man. 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm i want to see what the data is. 90 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 5: And I'm going to sit on the fence and I 91 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 5: tell people, I'm coming at it with an open mind. 92 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 5: You know, give me your give me your best. I'll 93 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 5: recall resurge and look into it. 94 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: What sort of evidence do you feel makes a case 95 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 4: more credible versus one that's more likely a natural explanation 96 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 4: or clearly misidentified or even disinformation. 97 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 5: That's great, I would say. You know, for example, the 98 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 5: Phoenix case, you know, the multiple lights and many witnesses. 99 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 5: The more evidence you can get a photographic from different 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 5: areas and stuff you can accumulate all that, right, those 101 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 5: cases are are wonderful. Anything again, with physical evidence, things 102 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 5: that we can analyze, things I can go pote if 103 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 5: I have, if I have another roswell, which would be awesome. 104 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 5: I mean, then you can start doing isotopic analysis on 105 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 5: peace parts and stuff. You know, my good friend Match 106 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 5: and August is that kind of stuff. I mean, it's 107 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 5: it's just that from a hard science or a physical 108 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 5: science standpoint, that's what you need. You need that physical 109 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 5: evidence to really start turning the vast majority of the 110 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 5: scientific community. 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 4: It seems like there's this real divide on this topic. 112 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: Like in today's politics, for example, people have chosen their 113 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: team and they stick to it no matter what. So 114 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 4: as we saw recently, you know, you can show any 115 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 4: two people of the same video and they will see 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 4: two different things depending on their affiliation. I feel like 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: it's exactly the same in the UFO community. A UFO 118 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 4: believer might see any light that's not immediately identified as 119 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 4: an alien piloted UFO craft, but a non believer will 120 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 4: dismiss it no matter how convincing it is. Yes, this 121 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: is why I'm always pushing for more scientific rigor and 122 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 4: study on this topic to hopefully get closer to a 123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 4: mutual understanding of what's actually happening. What do you think 124 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: prevents many people in the scientific community from taking on 125 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: this topic even today? 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 5: Oh boy, you know this stigma is still alive and 127 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 5: well it really is. I hate to say it that 128 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 5: it is, you know, I watch of the I would say, 129 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 5: you know, bigger names in the science community, they definitely 130 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 5: have already weighed in on on site. I mean, you 131 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 5: can sit there and watch their podcast. A'll leve their 132 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 5: name out of it, but you can tell there's a 133 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 5: bias towards that opinion. 134 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 4: Right. 135 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 5: That's not a true scientist. A true scientist will say, 136 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 5: show me the evidence. You know, I'll sit on the 137 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 5: fence until you know the evidence can sway me one 138 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 5: way or the other. You know, I keep hoping that 139 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 5: you know, there is a crash retrieval program out there, 140 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 5: and in some days there will at some day or 141 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 5: some point, there will be some kind of a disclosure, right, 142 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 5: And I would say independent scientists can come in look 143 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 5: at what it's there, do those types of analysis, the 144 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 5: is topic or what have you, and come at it 145 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 5: completely outside of of the normal realm of that community 146 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 5: and look at things and then you know, polish report, Yeah, 147 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 5: this is what we found. Here's the materials that we've 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 5: subtracted an extract. 149 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: What about this problem that we have that that this 150 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 4: might not be something that science can pinpoint or necessarily 151 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: get the answer to, Like this is not something we 152 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 4: can repeatably test in a lab, you know, does that 153 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: take away from the need to study it the best 154 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: we can. 155 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 5: Well, you got to remember the scientists slow. I hate 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 5: to say that, but sacial it is. It is beyond glacial. 157 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 5: It's a you know, I would say worse than a 158 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 5: uh you know, I come up with the best glacial example. 159 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 5: The problem is, you're right, we can't. We can't exactly 160 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 5: stuff it into a lab and then starting and repeated 161 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: experiments on easily anyway. That's where you see lots of 162 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 5: shows where you know, they're trying to bring the lab 163 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 5: out to it. Now, I will have my let's say, 164 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 5: Pet Peeves about some of those shows. I don't know 165 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 5: the the equipment that they're using. I don't know that 166 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 5: it hasn't been tampered with, you know, those kinds of things. 167 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 5: When I come at it from a I will say, 168 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 5: a skeptical scientist point of view, and that's where it 169 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 5: would great, you know, And you've had some of these 170 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 5: people on your podcast. I'm sure where it would be 171 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 5: wonderful if they actually had things that you know, when 172 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 5: I've developed, you know, some of the systems that I've 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 5: for the Department of Defense, Department of War. Now, if 174 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 5: we have things that we do to I would say, 175 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 5: lockdown equipment right to make sure it hasn't been tampered with, 176 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 5: tamper proof seals. You know, there's rigor in terms of 177 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 5: how the equipment is handled and done for what we 178 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 5: call a qualification test, right, so the government knows that 179 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 5: what the contractors providing has actually gone through all the 180 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 5: rigor that you know that what they're providing is going 181 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 5: to be what you're going to get. There's things like 182 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 5: that that I would love to see brought to the 183 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 5: table in this entire community. 184 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 4: What do you think the strongest argument against the et 185 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: hypothesis would be, in your view, a. 186 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 5: Lack of physical evidence. I would say physical evidence that 187 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 5: anybody can go look at or anybody can go analyze, right, 188 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 5: even the parts, right that are supposedly running around out there. 189 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 5: You know, I've seen one. It's got to have very 190 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 5: very carefully monitored tracked associations. You need to know where 191 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 5: it came from. I mean, you know, I love Robert 192 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 5: Pali's book in some of his work because I know 193 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 5: he's got a case in terms of, well, if somebody 194 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 5: does have an implant, he's got a certain set of 195 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 5: characteristics and ways that it should be extracted and then 196 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 5: monitor tagged and tracked after that point, chain of custody 197 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 5: of the whole thing, absolutely exactly. And that's that's exactly 198 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 5: what we do for stuff when we build it for 199 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 5: Department of Defense. You got a chain of custody. 200 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 4: Take a break right there. We'll come right back and 201 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 4: ask doctor Bettner what he thinks about what may really 202 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 4: be behind the UFO phenomenon. You're listening to Beyond Contact 203 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 204 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with doctor Bettner. 205 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: Doctor. 206 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 4: When you and Ben look at a case, you guys 207 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 4: take a serious deep dive in all of these all 208 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 4: sorts of data actually, from topography to geology to everything 209 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 4: in between. I feel like technology is really a double 210 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 4: edged sword here. On one hand, we have all this 211 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: data that we are now able to collect and have 212 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: access to, such as you presented at Contact. When you 213 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 4: researched that case with the girl who shot the video 214 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 4: through the plane window, which you pretty much concluded was 215 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 4: a balloon. You were able to access weather sites that 216 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 4: gave you the wind speed and wind direction. You were 217 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: able to access airline sites that gave you the flight 218 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: path and the flight direction. You looked at solar sites 219 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: that allowed you to calculate the time of day based 220 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: on the shadows from where the plane was and would 221 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 4: have been at that time. There's a lot of math here, 222 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 4: and we won't go down that hole, but on and 223 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 4: on it was fantastic. On the other hand, I have 224 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: just read how over twenty percent of all YouTube shorts 225 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: videos are now completely AI generated to farm clicks, which 226 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 4: is only going to get worse. So we have other 227 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 4: technologies from photoshop and editing software to create all this 228 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 4: misinformation outright hoaxes as well as intentional disinformation. All of 229 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 4: it muddies the waters. So how do you combat these issues? 230 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 4: And do you think they will make this type of 231 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: investigation all the more difficult? 232 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 5: Well, that is a wonderful question. So if you go 233 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 5: look at a sue apps. A year and a half ago, 234 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: I gave a talk on exactly that problem, and I 235 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 5: showed how easy it is, and I pulled stuff off 236 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 5: the Internet right to hoax UFOs and people love doing it. 237 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 5: They get a kick out of it. For what ever, 238 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 5: are you know? I don't even know where to start 239 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 5: on that one. But the thing that you know, we're 240 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 5: trying to propose is you know what, I need a 241 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 5: chain of custody when it starts to come into what 242 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 5: your camera captures, right, And this goes back the entire 243 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 5: idea behind side it. It's coming off your camera, it's 244 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 5: in an encrypted network, you submit it, and it's being 245 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 5: submitted with metadata where was your phone pointed and all 246 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 5: that kind of great information that we need and we 247 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 5: need to trust and rely on. If I'm not having 248 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 5: to spend a good chunk of my time trying to 249 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 5: authenticate what I'm looking at that month of time I'm 250 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 5: spending analyzing your data versus trying to make you. 251 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: Let's jump to that part, which is the important part. 252 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: Yes, you know, for example Logwood, ye case, I'm working 253 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 5: within the SU analyzing that data. So we got a 254 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 5: nice chain of custody on that. They've done a lot 255 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 5: of work, great upfront to show yeah, that did in 256 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 5: fact come off of border patrol and customs aircraft. And 257 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: so it's like that chain of custody aspect I don't 258 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 5: have to worry about. I can invent tools, I can 259 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 5: come up with new processes, I can throw new algorithms 260 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 5: at stuff, you know, to where you're actually utilizing my 261 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 5: best part of me in my background, in terms of 262 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 5: what I can bring to the table in analyzing these 263 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 5: kinds of cases. 264 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: Are there any specific historical cases that you believe deserve 265 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 4: renewed scientific investigation today? You know, the way you guys 266 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: broke down that case, the airline case, I'd love to 267 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 4: see that done with all of these ros well in others. 268 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 4: You know, I know, I realized this is a lot 269 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: of time and a lot of money, so and you 270 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: guys generously do this for free. 271 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 5: So yeah, it's like coming out of our retirement funds. 272 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: I'll tell you. 273 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. You know. 274 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 5: The one that I keep going back to is that 275 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 5: Phoenix case. It's like, where's the radar data? Where's the 276 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 5: you know, I know the government has the radar data. 277 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 5: I know they've got it squirrelled away somewhere. Where is 278 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 5: all the videos? You know, people had to have taken videos, 279 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: they had to have taken it from different directions. You know, 280 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 5: there are cams out there that probably got squirrelled away, 281 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 5: you know, doorbell cameras and what have you. Right, come on, 282 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 5: I mean, we can go through and probably do a 283 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 5: better job on that. Whether anybody's done or not I 284 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 5: haven't paid attention, but that's one case that keeps coming 285 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 5: to mind. 286 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 4: Man, I think if that happened today twenty twenty six, Wow, 287 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: we would have a thousand different videos from every possible 288 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: angle and you could really pin down what happened. 289 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: Right yep, very easily. 290 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 4: And if this does have a non human component to it, Doc, 291 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: what do you think it's most likely? Do you think 292 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 4: it's like an interdimensional traveler, a time traveler, aliens from 293 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: another planet in our universe, or do you think it 294 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: could have something more to do with consciousness? Perhaps? 295 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 5: You know, I will say that I'm going to start 296 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 5: with a consciousness one and work my way backwards. I 297 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: think there's a consciousness part of it. And I and 298 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 5: the only reason I say that is, you know, Barber's 299 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 5: work and his disclosure there with some of those individuals 300 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 5: that you know apparently can use there they're just mind 301 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 5: capabilities or mental powers, what have you? To try and 302 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 5: coax these things in, you know, those kinds of things. 303 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 5: It's like, gosh, I'd love to be able to go 304 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 5: out as an independent observer on that because I would 305 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: put up triangulation cameras really and then just you know, 306 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 5: try and see how quickly thinks something came in or 307 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: you know how far away it was. You can do 308 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 5: all that math. So there's that aspect of it, and 309 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 5: then you start going towards things that we really can't 310 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 5: explain yet, you know, like ghosts and what have you. 311 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: Some people will figure into your imagination. Will okay, you 312 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 5: can believe that, But I know I talked to a 313 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 5: lot of people said no, yeah, barely. I've seen stuff 314 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 5: pop off the wall and jump across the room. Well great, 315 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 5: that tells me we don't understand everything around us, right, 316 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: And just that kind of a thing. If you've got 317 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: to go, she got something that is able to basically 318 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 5: still be around. And I'm going to say, from a 319 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 5: physics standpoint, quantum entanglement is probably your best bet for 320 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 5: an explanation there. And if we can quantum entangle, you know, 321 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 5: maybe you can use quantum entanglement forget from one end 322 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 5: of the galaxy to the other end of the galaxy 323 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: and nothing flat. There are potentially loopholes that will allow it. 324 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 5: How Kubier's work drive and other things, and so you know, 325 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 5: I would say the vast majority of scientists don't question 326 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 5: whether or not there can be extra extraterrestrial life. I mean, 327 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 5: we can look out there and you know, as Carl 328 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 5: segouind say, billions and billions, right, billions and billions of 329 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 5: galaxies and in those billions of billions of galaxies, billions 330 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 5: and billions of stars. And so the math is with 331 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 5: us that fundamentally et is out there. Now, it's how 332 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: do we yes? That is the billion dollar question if. 333 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 4: You will, you know, and even we have a lot 334 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: of people who claim to have interacted with them. So 335 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 4: there's that about what about Skywatcher? Have you heard about 336 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 4: these guys who claim to have the technology for that? 337 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 4: What do you think of it? 338 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was trying to say. Jay Barber, 339 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 5: I think is trying to remember his name, Jacob. Yeah. 340 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 5: So you know, we actually met Jake at SCU this 341 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 5: last year. He was there. Interesting, I thought. I heard 342 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 5: that they're closed down though, that they accomplished their their 343 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 5: work and they're now doing other stuff. 344 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: I don't know. 345 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 5: I don't have all the takes in it, but that's 346 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 5: why I said I would love to be an independent 347 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 5: observer on that kind of stuff. 348 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 4: Could this even be potentially something that we don't even 349 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: have the word for yet to describe properly. I think 350 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 4: you sum that are best. The answer to this whole 351 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: thing is what you said. It just shows you. All 352 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 4: of these things show. 353 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 6: You there's more to this world than we understand. Yet 354 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 6: we don't know everything. We are ants. We are ants 355 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 6: and in a grand universe, and fundamentally our knowledge is 356 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 6: very very limited. 357 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: Still more people than others. But we won't go down 358 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: that road right now, Doc, let's keep this civil. What 359 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 4: do you think about experience? What do you think that 360 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: the experiencers get right, that perhaps skeptics overlook. 361 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 5: The personal experience right? You know, it's like the entire 362 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 5: reason I even am interested is because of you know, 363 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 5: my story with my grandfather and my mom. So it's 364 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 5: like they tell it it's like they were there. They 365 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: can they can recan it like they were there. I 366 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 5: rode with Officer Kleine from the library there, the Mark 367 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: Twain Library, over to the site where he believed he was. 368 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 5: You know, he got to remember it was like two 369 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 5: years ago, and he's like, why are they here? I says, 370 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 5: we don't know. I mean fundamentally, when I say we 371 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 5: we collect the weed that you're talking to me now 372 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 5: in terms of if we've got crash retrieval programs and 373 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 5: got an area fifty one location where they got all 374 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 5: these things and they're communicating with them on a daily basis, 375 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 5: maybe they know what's going on, but the grander disclosure 376 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 5: aspect in terms of the general public does not. 377 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, we need to take another break there. Doc. 378 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to ask you about 379 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 4: your thoughts on people who claim to have been experiencers 380 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: and if you think the government has actually recovered craft. 381 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 382 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We're back on Beyond Contact. 383 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: We're speaking with doctor Doug Bettner. Doc, what do you 384 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: think of some of these witnesses, Like you mentioned Officer 385 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 4: Klein from the Connecticut case that you looked at, some 386 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 4: of these people seem to be very credible and make 387 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 4: a very compelling case that what they're seeing is at 388 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 4: the very least something extraordinary. 389 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you a officer how he saw something. 390 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 5: I mean, it shocked him to the core. And if 391 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 5: I see something off in the distance, that's not going 392 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 5: to shock to the core. If I've got something like 393 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 5: forty feet away, like he's saying, and like I told 394 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 5: I world with a guy and he's just like, what 395 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: the hell is going on? 396 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: Right? 397 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 5: And you know my family experience, and you know, I 398 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 5: tried to talk to some of these people. But what 399 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 5: I try to do is I, you know, I've tried 400 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: to come at it from again an open mind. Tell 401 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 5: me what you saw, you know, And I'm trying to 402 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 5: pull that emotion out of them when they're explaining it 403 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 5: to me, because it's that emotion that I'm if I 404 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 5: can feel it, I know they felt it, and I 405 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 5: know they they believe that they saw what they saw. 406 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 5: And for us in Ben's team in particular, that's a 407 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 5: key aspect. I mean, we try to protect those people, 408 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 5: and we talk to people and we don't disclose everybody's 409 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 5: name unless they literally allow us to. And so there's 410 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 5: there's an entire psychology, right. You need to trust me 411 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 5: as a scientist that I am going to try and 412 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 5: help you understand what you witnessed. 413 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 4: And I do like when these people come forward and 414 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 4: they're like and it backs up the video, They're like, 415 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 4: look it was me, I saw it. Here's the video 416 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: that I took, you know, the girl on the plane. 417 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 4: She's like, yep, this is me. I filmed this. I 418 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 4: love that. I think that just adds another piece of credibility. 419 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 4: And I love what it's a multiple witness case. Then 420 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 4: then then it's even more so. 421 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, and we had a second witness on that aircraft, 422 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 5: that's right, who wanted to remain nameless, and so she 423 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 5: is remaining nameless. But we had a second witness that 424 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 5: was further up in the aircraft and saw something bloom. Yeah, 425 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 5: and then as you went over your head there, as 426 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 5: a matter of fact, it looks just like it. Yeah. 427 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 4: Well that's what about these people who've made claims of 428 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: having a direct alien encounter. I've talked to several of 429 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: these and it's very compelling. They certainly believe it. 430 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 5: What do you think, Wow, you know some of those people, 431 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 5: I would really love it if you could start somehow 432 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 5: documenting it, right, get a camera out there, get you know, 433 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 5: figure out some way. Maybe you have a camera at 434 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 5: a distance, or a couple of cameras at a distance, 435 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 5: or go to bed with a fit bit on. 436 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 4: They say that this has happened and they've been turned off. 437 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 4: He has an iPhone he took it to Apple and 438 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 4: they said, oh, it's not working because it showed that 439 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 4: you were two thousand feet above your house the GPS. 440 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 4: How about that. That's some interesting data for you exactly. 441 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 5: That's the kind of physical data we'd like to get, 442 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 5: but you know, we'd like to get it in such 443 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 5: a way that there's corroborating evidence. Right, So there's that 444 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 5: evidence aspect of it. Oh boy, the GPS stuff going 445 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 5: on at Skinwalker Ranch. But don't you get me started there. 446 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 5: You know, just the different aspects of the multiple witnesses 447 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 5: and you know, and multiple data points, you know, two cameras, 448 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 5: three cameras. The more we can get the corroborates data 449 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 5: in one one case is gold. It is literally gold. 450 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 4: What do you think about the idea that the government 451 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 4: has already recovered non human physical craft and they've been 452 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 4: backward engineering it for years. Do you think there's possibly 453 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: any truth? 454 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 5: I would say there, I would say, it's not it's zero. 455 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 5: Oh really, I would not put it at a harp 456 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 5: sent but it's not zero. I would say, I'm going 457 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 5: to say it's everything I've talked to and and you know, 458 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 5: you know, I came from Aerospace Corporation also did Eric Davis? Right? 459 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 5: You talk to Eric Davis and oh boy, you know, 460 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 5: if anybody convinces you in terms of his stream of consciousness, 461 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 5: and he tells it like he was there, right, he's 462 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 5: not making it up. He says, this is what happened. Right, 463 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. If you don't come away believe in 464 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 5: it after that, there's no hope. 465 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 4: I actually going to tell you. Okay, So if you 466 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: think it's possible, why are they keeping it so clandestine? 467 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 5: Very simple national security? The atomic bomb? Okay, what happened 468 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 5: immediately after them bomb went off? Okay? The flap that 469 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 5: you know my grandfather was in was nineteen forty seven, July. 470 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 4: Fourth, right around Roswell by the way. 471 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 5: Does that sound familiar? 472 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 4: Oh yeah? 473 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 5: And then you know, three years later my mom saw something. 474 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 5: And so you know, that was before we literally had 475 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 5: the technologies that could do these kinds of things that 476 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 5: you could mistake. You know, two things in the sky 477 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 5: that goes zip. That kind of stuff just did not 478 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 5: exist at that point, does it now? 479 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: Yes? 480 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 5: And that makes our job much harder from analytical standpoint. 481 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: But I would say if if I was back then 482 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: and we had just dropped the bomb and I knew 483 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 5: Russia was trying to develop the bomb. Oh heck, yeah, 484 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 5: I would have. I would have put a classification on 485 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 5: it just like that. Why because we are in an 486 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 5: arms race and that's that's all there is to it. 487 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 4: People. It makes complete sense to me. I I honestly 488 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 4: believe that, and I think that there's probably a good 489 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: reason for it. And you know, also maybe it's something 490 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 4: that they really shouldn't let everybody know because they might 491 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 4: not want to hear it. There's always that possibility. 492 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 5: There there is that it is. 493 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, what about the idea of disclosure? You know, what 494 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: do you think it would or should look like if 495 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 4: it does happen? 496 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 5: Wow, that you know, we could have three or four 497 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 5: podcasts just discussing that time. 498 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: Yes, we set aside seven hours for you today, Doc. 499 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 5: So personally, you know, I have an opinion, and I'm 500 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 5: gonna say it is my opinion. I would come out, 501 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 5: you know, this is what it is. Do enough, you know, 502 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 5: so that people can say, yabe early, Yeah, it's true. 503 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: You got to do something to help with the religions 504 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 5: and stuff. I Mean, my frustration is I just I 505 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 5: got a sneaking suspicion of the religion is going to 506 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 5: try to capitalize on it, and so that that is 507 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 5: one of my fears. But in particular with you know, 508 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 5: the government and stuff. You know, they already got a 509 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 5: lock on it, assuming that it does exist, it's just 510 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 5: a matter of what's the right way to do it, 511 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 5: to say, minimize strife, you know, allow people to understand, well, 512 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 5: it was cassed by boy. Reason again, national security would 513 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 5: be the reason. If there's technologies allow you to do 514 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 5: stuff that these things can reportedly do. Oh yeah, you're 515 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 5: gonna classify it if you can get it until you 516 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: know how to utilize it. 517 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 4: They see a world of problems. There's gonna be one 518 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 4: million questions if they so much just say that that's real. 519 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 4: You know, you made My grandfather ruined his life and 520 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 4: you know he couldn't talk about this, and you can 521 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 4: imagine the problems this would do. What do you think 522 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 4: would be the worst repercussion from a formal disclosure disclosure? 523 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: Again, my fear is the attempt at the religious trying 524 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 5: to you know, cornershre you know, you know again the 525 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 5: brainwashing parts you know, allow me to be independent, allow 526 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 5: me to think like I want to thank you, don't 527 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 5: you think. 528 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 4: This could have something to do with you know, free 529 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 4: energy and the global reliance on oil and these kind 530 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: of things that I'm not. 531 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 5: So convinced on that I need, you know, power and 532 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 5: control is my opinion. 533 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 4: Sure, I understand. Is it possible that there are multiple 534 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: different things happening, there's non human intelligences or different Sephard phenomenon. 535 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 4: I don't know why. That's not very possible because there's 536 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 4: a lot of things we don't know, and one hundred 537 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 4: years ago there was a ton of things we don't 538 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 4: know that we know now. And take for granted you 539 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: can only imagine a thousand years from now, they're going 540 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 4: to look back and how do they not understand these 541 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: simple Oh? 542 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I mean you think you look back 543 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 5: at Copernicus right, or you know, pick your favorites just 544 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 5: in the past. You know, you start thinking about how 545 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 5: they got to where they did and what you know. 546 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 5: It's you know, I think it was Newton that said, 547 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 5: you know, I stand on the shoulders of giants. There 548 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 5: was enough around him so we could make additional deductions. 549 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 5: The same thing with us. I mean, we got to 550 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 5: stand on the shoulders of giants. The technologies that are 551 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 5: coming out now, or gosh, I wish twenty years ago 552 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 5: we would have the phones we do now, My Samsung 553 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 5: Ultra twenty five. I mean, gosh, I can do fantastic 554 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 5: stuff with it. It's basically a walking, talking sensor, all 555 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 5: these different modes in it, right, and then now the 556 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 5: ability to network those things. I mean, you know, that's 557 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,120 Speaker 5: what all ciders all about is let's take advantage of that. 558 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 5: Let's let you know, put the power into people's hands 559 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 5: to put it out there and then be able to 560 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 5: analyze your work and have other people analyze it. But 561 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 5: I know it came from a trusted source. 562 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 4: Right, yep. I always think about these things. There's so 563 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 4: many examples throughout history where because it's a new idea, 564 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: everybody of course is resistant to it because it's not 565 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 4: what they know. Imagine when they first came up with 566 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 4: microscopic organisms. Oh, by the way, your body's covered with 567 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 4: them and you have billions of them inside you, people 568 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 4: are like, you're a crazy person. That's not true. And 569 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 4: now a five year old knows that. Why couldn't that 570 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 4: just be there's another vibrational world that we didn't know 571 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 4: about that exists or whatever. And now everybody knows about it, 572 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 4: you know. 573 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 5: Yeah again, you know it's like when you say that 574 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 5: I just could I always keep my mind goes back 575 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 5: to Jay Stratton's story about it Skinwalker Ranch, where they 576 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: saw that that dark being he couldn't go beyond a 577 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 5: certain place on the ranch and they just they couldn't, 578 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 5: they couldn't physically pass that. That tells me that maybe 579 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 5: this stuff is all interconnected some way, somehow. Again, I'll 580 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 5: go back to the physics I know, and quantum entanglement 581 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 5: is one aspect multidimensional theories of the universe. I mean, 582 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 5: there's things like that that say, yeah, maybe they're. 583 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 4: True, certainly possible. When we come back, we're going to 584 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 4: ask the doctor about his thoughts on the research that 585 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: SCU does, and also ask him about some of the 586 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: anomalous video that he himself has caught on video at 587 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 4: his place near Skinwalker Ranch. You're listening to Beyond Contact 588 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 589 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with doctor Doug Bettner. Doctor, 590 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 4: you are also on the board of SCU, which is 591 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 4: an organization that I very much support in f I 592 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: hope to have them at contact again this year. What 593 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 4: are your impressions of the work that's being done there. 594 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 4: Do you feel that it meets the scientific standards that 595 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 4: it needs to when we're investigating a case like this. 596 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 5: You know, great question. As a board member, I do 597 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 5: not speak for the board. Okay, I can be empowered 598 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 5: to speak for the board, but I am not empowered 599 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 5: to speak for the board. I can speak for myself. 600 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 5: I would say. The consensus that came back is, Hey, 601 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 5: we're still trying to get all of our investigational stuff 602 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 5: put together. We're trying to pull the team together to 603 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 5: do that. We're constantly being asked to review different approaches 604 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 5: and documentation in terms of how we as an organization 605 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 5: will investigate these cases. Code to conduct, I mean code 606 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 5: to conduct is very important for us. We just got 607 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 5: through going through and it takes a while. That's why 608 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 5: I said, you know, it's glacial sciences. So is pulling 609 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: together the right approaches, the thoughtful approaches, or when you 610 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 5: send a team out, how do they conduct themselves, how 611 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 5: do they gather evidence, how do they interview witnesses, et cetera, 612 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 5: et cetera. Right now, Fortunately we got some really great 613 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 5: you know, former law enforcement officers that are supporting us 614 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 5: with this, and so we're utilizing some of those techniques, 615 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 5: trying to pull the best of the best, right And 616 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 5: it is a really good board and I'm very very 617 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 5: tickled Pink to have been selected to get on it. 618 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 5: So we're trying to do the right thing. 619 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 4: Okay, And if you feel like that is quality scientific 620 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 4: work that they're doing, couldn't we take some of the 621 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 4: reports that SCU comes with and give it to more 622 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 4: scientists to take a look at and evaluate for themselves. 623 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 5: Well, and that's part of the science. That's what science 624 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 5: is all about. 625 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 4: Right. 626 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 5: It's published. Okay, it's like I'm going to go to 627 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 5: the augwadeport. They published what they had, They published any 628 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 5: information they had, and then the analytical textiques they used, 629 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 5: you know, in years have passed. You know, we're now 630 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 5: twelve years past that report coming out, actually going on thirteen. 631 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 5: Now we're taking another look at it. And you know, rightfully, 632 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 5: so we've got a few cases out there where people said, 633 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 5: well this is that or the other thing, and so 634 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 5: we're taking another look at the data, right, and we 635 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 5: are bringing additional techniques that we have now that they 636 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 5: did not have. Then we're always getting new board members 637 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 5: and we just got contacted by a guy from cal Tech, 638 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 5: which is you know, can't wait to definely get him 639 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 5: on the on the team. And so we've got you know, 640 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 5: all these great i'd say, people that are just donating 641 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 5: their time, they're donating their experience, radar, you know, optical techniques. 642 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 5: You know, we're trying to bring the full bearer. But 643 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 5: you know, unfortunately, you know, you get what you pay for, 644 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 5: and right now we we work on people donating money. 645 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 5: So you know, put a pitch out there for money. 646 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 5: If you really want the good science, you got to 647 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 5: you got to put the bucks. 648 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: In absolutely, and they're they're doing great stuff. Now what 649 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 4: about the thing that you yourself. You have a place 650 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 4: that's right near the famous Skinwalker ranch. And I understand 651 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 4: you've caught a few anomalies on video. 652 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 5: I've got, well, I should technically say two one I 653 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 5: look at closely. The other other one I didn't just 654 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 5: because I didn't have the time. But all I'm gonna 655 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 5: do is call it a light anomally Okay. I literally 656 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 5: I showed it to Jay Stratton and Jay Stratton goes, 657 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 5: I think you caught a word. I said, Jay, I'm 658 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 5: not ready to go there yet. I said, I can. 659 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 5: I can tell you what I can do with the 660 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 5: video that I've got. Unfortunately, it's one of these game cameras, 661 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 5: and you don't have a lot of capability of the 662 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 5: game camera, especially when it's JPEG compressed video or images 663 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 5: both right, And it just happened to be a checking image. 664 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 5: So these cameras will check in twice a day, well 665 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 5: I should say once a day and once a night. 666 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 5: Telvar's apart, just as a kind of I'm alive type thing, 667 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 5: and then if there's any movement they will capture things. 668 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 5: So in a check in video, I had something I 669 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 5: would say, a small little light very bright where there 670 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 5: should not have been a light. And the analysis I 671 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 5: did is I have obviously a day image, right, so 672 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 5: I can see exactly where it is, and then I 673 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 5: have a night image from the night before. And so 674 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 5: what I can do is I can do subtraction, and 675 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 5: I can say I can show you right where it is. 676 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 5: On top of that, I can show you effects around 677 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 5: it that did not show up the night before. And 678 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 5: so at that time my neighbors they had a gate 679 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 5: that kind of swung out between my place and their place, 680 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 5: and it was kind of swung out into my property, 681 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 5: and you can see reflection off of that gate. In addition, 682 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 5: there's a I'm going to call it a pile of 683 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 5: garbage that was behind the light source, and you can 684 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 5: see reflection off that pile of garbage in the back. 685 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 5: So I know it's somewhere in that gap right right. 686 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 5: But you look at the daytime video and there is 687 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 5: nothing there. 688 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 4: Wow. 689 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 5: And I've got lots and lots of cases where I've 690 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 5: got cars going up and down the road all the time. 691 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 5: People were like, could it be a reflection? I got 692 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 5: reflection off of what There's nothing there, And so that's 693 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 5: why I call it a light anomaly. Am I going 694 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 5: to call it in a word? No? Because I got 695 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 5: one image and it just had it would be an 696 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 5: extreme lucky shot if I did. Now I will say 697 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 5: that I have another one. I was about a year 698 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 5: later where it was along that same line of site, 699 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 5: just a little further out, kind of over the road, 700 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 5: but I couldn't really tell it was over the road 701 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 5: or on the on the other side of the road 702 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 5: from my property. So I didn't spend a lot of 703 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 5: time looking at that one. But I will tell you 704 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 5: that whereas one time I was out there with my 705 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 5: wife because we just go out there and it's almost 706 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 5: like camping trip for us. On top of that, we 707 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 5: took a horse trail and converted it into something we 708 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 5: could sleep in. I to make it cost effective. But 709 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 5: the thing we did is I was I was sick 710 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 5: that night and my wife was out walking the dogs 711 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 5: and she said she saw something off in our neighbor's 712 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 5: field behind us, which is literally between between us and Skinwalker. 713 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 5: And she said she saw something that was kind of 714 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 5: down in the in the grass, and she said, I 715 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 5: was going to call you, but I knew you didn't 716 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 5: feel good, and so I don't know what it was. 717 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 5: But she said it was very light bright, and when 718 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 5: she saw the image, she goes, it looked like that. 719 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 5: Oh wow, So she saw something out there. 720 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 4: So it sits in the gray basket for now right. 721 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 5: It's in the I can't explain it. 722 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 4: So I understand you've been looking at that fascinating case 723 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 4: that we talked about earlier from Officer twying client. Excuse 724 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 4: me calling Connecticut. It's been two years now that you've 725 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 4: been looking at that. Have you guys got any closer 726 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 4: to an explanation of what could be happening. 727 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 5: I would say we're still on the We're still investigating. 728 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 5: I've actually created a proposal to go out there, and 729 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 5: the first part of it is what I call let's 730 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 5: get rid of all the potential prosaics, right, and so 731 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 5: we've got a proposal for putting some location cameras around 732 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 5: with twenty four to seven video. We actually have a 733 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 5: camera out there now, but we need better sensors to 734 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 5: where literally we can do frame by frame differency. A 735 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 5: lot of these cameras don't do that, or it's going 736 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 5: to be some kind of an IR triggered motion type thing, 737 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 5: and so we literally have to build our own equipment. 738 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 5: We've been working with some individuals only their name off 739 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 5: of it, but that are trying to develop that. SCU 740 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 5: has actually got a project right now to also develop 741 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 5: that kind of technology to where what we can do 742 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 5: is put it in multiple locations and get triangulation. Right 743 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 5: with the triangulation, we'll be able to say how far 744 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 5: away it is. If we got very good timestamps, we 745 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 5: can correlate that with air traffic. We want to incorporate 746 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 5: other modalities, And when I use the word modality, that 747 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 5: means for example, radar radio, other kinds of radio other 748 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 5: than just radar aspects, for example infrasound. There's a whole 749 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 5: suite of different things we can do. And fundamentally, right now, 750 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 5: it's prove it isn't prosaic. I e move that way 751 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 5: down in the list of potential and then we can 752 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 5: then go, okay, what is it? 753 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 4: Right right? I always feel like eliminate those things first, 754 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 4: then we'll jump to this one. 755 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 5: That's unfortunately the name of the game. 756 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 4: So all you scientists are always calling for more data. 757 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 4: Tell us about this cider dot io that you've come 758 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 4: up with that, how does that work? And how can 759 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 4: that get us closer to the answer? 760 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 5: Well, the entire goal there. And so me and another 761 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 5: guy are working on some stuff and unfortunately this isn't 762 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 5: our day jobs. It was our day jobs, we'd already 763 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 5: have it out right, we're working on updates for it 764 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 5: right now. It is literally an MVP. It just kind 765 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 5: of goes you, shows you how what your interaction would be, 766 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 5: and show you stuff that you could do with it. 767 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 5: What we want to do is we actually want to 768 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 5: connect that to a back end database, and in that 769 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 5: back end database automate a lot of the analysis that 770 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 5: I personally do, right, but allow you to do it. 771 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 5: And so you basically have the access to you know, 772 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 5: people like me, other experts, smeeze and the optical analysis. 773 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 5: And the thing is if we can get multiple phones 774 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 5: people's phones with you know, triangulated locations. Unfortunately, what really 775 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 5: to get it properly funded is we got to ask 776 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 5: you for money for something, right, and so possibly the 777 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 5: back end database aspect and being able to to go 778 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 5: in and do the analysis yourself or interface with other 779 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 5: individuals as a community would be the part that we'd 780 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 5: you know, try and get money for because we've got 781 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 5: to fund the next technology. You got to fund the 782 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 5: advancements and the algorithms and things of that nature. So 783 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 5: that's that's currently what's kind of going on behind the scenes. 784 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 5: Nothing is imminent. But once we get past that, once 785 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 5: you start having a revenue stream, that's when the vcs 786 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 5: are interested. Right, you got to show that you can 787 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 5: make one. Until that point, they don't want to talk 788 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 5: to us. 789 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 4: Thanks doctor, really appreciate it, really fascinating stuff. Appreciate you 790 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 4: taking the time you can. 791 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 7: Find doctor Bittner at g I T h u B 792 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 7: dot com backslash d R do O U g B, 793 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 7: or you can check out his UFO reporting site at 794 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 7: sitter dot io. You guys can find me on Twitter 795 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 7: and Instagram at c I T D Underscore Captain Ron. 796 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 7: Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert dot com. 797 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 4: Stay open minded and rational as we explore the unknown 798 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 4: right here on the iHeartRadio and the Coast to Coast 799 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 4: a paranormal podcast. 800 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 801 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 802 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 803 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com