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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I

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Speaker 1: will be your host today, Emily Simpson with just Shane.

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Speaker 1: I love that when you guys DM me about the

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Speaker 1: cases or what your feelings are for Legally Brunette, that

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Speaker 1: you always say just Shane entertains me or just Shane

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Speaker 1: is funny. So you've actually like you've become just Shane. Okay,

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Speaker 1: good Anyway, The first thing I just want to start

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Speaker 1: off with, as we did an episode yesterday on the

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Speaker 1: Amy Bradley disappearance, and a few of you DM me

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Speaker 1: you listen to it. Thank you for listening. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And I know there were some conflicting reports as far

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Speaker 1: as whether she left her wallet behind, the key card behind,

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Speaker 1: the cigarettes behind. So I tried my best to research

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Speaker 1: and figure out, but it just really comes down to

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Speaker 1: it's just there's conflicting reports about what happened. I read

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Speaker 1: when Amy Bradley vanished from the cruise ship. Her wallet,

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Speaker 1: a box of cigarettes, and a lighter were reportedly left

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Speaker 1: behind in the cabin. Her sandals were all found inside

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Speaker 1: the suite. However, there are conflicting accounts about whether the

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Speaker 1: key card was left behind or somehow on her person

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Speaker 1: or lost. We don't know. And again it's been twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years. So I even think when the brother brad

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Speaker 1: if he's you know, he's on a media round right

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Speaker 1: now and he's doing podcasts, I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: that time. So that's where the conflicts come in. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: we do our best to do the research and give

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Speaker 1: you accurate information, but you know, with a case that's

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Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, we don't always know exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: In people's memories are a little off. I just had

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Speaker 1: one more thing to say about Amy Bradley that I

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Speaker 1: thought was a good point. When I was doing research,

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Speaker 1: there were some people and I thought this was I

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Speaker 1: never really thought about this, but Amy Bradley was on

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Speaker 1: down to whether she disappeared from falling or jumping off

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Speaker 1: the ship, or whether she was human trafficked in some

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Speaker 1: not possibly sex trafficing, is the fact that she was

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Speaker 1: in sex trafficking human trafficking, sex traffickers don't normally kidnap

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Speaker 2: Like runaways or someone single, so they don't have someone

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Speaker 1: Investigation immediately when she's removed. If this is allegedly, if

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Speaker 1: that's not a normal victim of sex trafficking or human trafficking.

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Speaker 1: They normally search for people, for young people or whatever

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Speaker 2: To add to the mystery.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, we add more elements to the mystery, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just even confused. We're going to do some updates

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Speaker 1: on some other cases we've done. I just want to

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Speaker 1: do a brief update on Menindez because there's been some

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Speaker 1: action on the case. First of all, we do know

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Speaker 1: that I don't remember the exact date, but maybe it

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Speaker 1: was a month or so ago. The Meninda's brothers were

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Speaker 2: By a judge fifty years.

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Speaker 1: They were given fifty years. They've already served. Well, they've

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Speaker 1: They have a parole hearing scheduled, so at that time

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Speaker 2: They had one in June, right and it was rescheduled.

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Speaker 2: Was that because of the fires it was rescheduled?

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Speaker 2: Fires.

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Speaker 1: I think I think they did have a parole hearing earlier.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a tsunami.

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Speaker 1: Now it might be a tsunami. Yes, we were on

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Speaker 1: the habeas petition. The habeas petition I believe was filed

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Speaker 1: that has to do with if someone is unjustly detained.

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Speaker 1: The recentencing is by statute and it's completely different than

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Speaker 1: the habeas. The Habeast has to do with the new

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Speaker 1: different verdict. And the two pieces of new evidence, which

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Speaker 1: It's the letter that Eric wrote to his cousin Andy

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Speaker 1: Conno back in Apparently he wrote it in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: I can't even keep trying the Milli Vanilli era. It

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Speaker 1: actual killings, and he wrote his cousin making references to

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Speaker 2: Years ago, and that's how then the letter served.

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Speaker 2: Letter proves, well, it tends to prove.

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Speaker 1: It tends to prove, proves, however, you want to look

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Speaker 1: now you have two pieces of evidence that are you know,

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the resentencing is a more likely and

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Speaker 2: simpler approach if they can pull that off it not

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Speaker 2: you mean, not the resentsing, but the parole right, the

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Speaker 2: parole hearing, that would allow them to be released because

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Speaker 2: then they served adequate times.

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Speaker 1: Well, the habeas is interesting too, because the judge ruled

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Speaker 1: So now the ball is really in the court or

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Speaker 2: With the balls in the court of the court.

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Speaker 1: The ball is in the court of the court, the

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Speaker 1: So but really it's really a good thing for the

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Speaker 1: Now it's on you guys approve that it's not. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: Right, he says, I think the proper term, and he

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Speaker 1: will continue to follow the Meninda's brothers. Let's go into

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Speaker 1: just a little update on Lively versus Baldoni. I actually

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Speaker 1: got really sick of talking about Blake Lively. She just

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Speaker 1: to me, in my humble opinion, I'm going to get

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Speaker 2: Brunette, you're I don't know what you think you have,

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Speaker 2: what kind of leverage you have to pull on that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm only saying that because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've followed it, but apparently she sent subpoenas to all

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Speaker 2: I didn't know you had a soft spot for megian Markle.

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Speaker 1: and Madison. So we just talked about their wounds. Then

439
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: he goes down to the second floor. I don't know,

440
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,239
Speaker 1: perhaps he was leaving, and they think that maybe in

441
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: the hallway he ran into Xana because this is the

442
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: same timeframe when Xana got a door dash delivery, so

443
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 1: she had gone down to the kitchen to get food

444
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: right at the same time that he's in the house.

445
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: So they think that possibly he ran into her on

446
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: the hallway and then they went fight whatever happened, and

447
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: he followed her into her bedroom on the second floor.

448
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,479
Speaker 1: So now we're to Xana.

449
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 2: This is why you always ask me to go get

450
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: your door dash late at night.

451
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you kidding?

452
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: You're like, can you go down? And says you get

453
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:40,719
Speaker 2: my DoorDash?

454
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: I never go get the door dash.

455
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 2: I'm not getting murdered. Let my husband do that.

456
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why do you think I have so much

457
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: life insurance on you? All right, so now let's go

458
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: back to Xana. Here. The Xana one is the most

459
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: confusing for me.

460
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, what floor is on the third? Second?

461
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: There's so many floors in this house. Well, I guess

462
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: there's there's three, but it feels like a lot. It

463
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: feels like there's a lot in this house and there's

464
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people. All Right, we are now on

465
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: the second floor. Okay, we started on the third floor.

466
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: He's leaving, he's going down to the second.

467
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: Floor, and what happens on the second floor He.

468
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: Runs into Xana allegedly and then I mean, we don't

469
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: nobody know.

470
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: This is believed to be right.

471
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just putting it together based on the

472
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: evidence and what they know. So apparently he runs into Xana.

473
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: There's a and then they go into the second floor

474
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: bedroom and Xana is sharing the bedroom with Ethan, her boyfriend.

475
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: Ethan is in the bed asleep. This is the part

476
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: where I'm completely confused, he gets. They get in a

477
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: fight like a I mean, Xanna is going hard, like

478
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: they're not in that. They're in the bedroom at the

479
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: end of the bed. So Xana's body was found at

480
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: the end of the bed on the floor, so she

481
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: is not in the bed. They have a vicious, brutal

482
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: fight between the two of them.

483
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: And Ethans sound asleep and Ethan's in the bed asleep.

484
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: This is what I don't understand. Xanna's like fighting it

485
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: out with a killer in her.

486
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: Bed, passed out or something.

487
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: How do you not hear? I don't know if I'm

488
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: getting murdered at the end of our bed, you better

489
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: get up.

490
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: I will and do something. I get up when you

491
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: have to go to the bathroom, and then you say

492
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: turn the ac on right.

493
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: So, if I'm getting murdered at the end of our bed,

494
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: can you please get up and fight the guy?

495
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: Well, the question is why didn't he wake up? Assuming

496
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: he was asleep? I didn't say that sleep or did

497
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 2: he wake up? He's still alive? Right?

498
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: No?

499
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: Oh? And then he was killed too, Yes, he's number four. Yes,

500
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: So how do we know he's asleep during this whole time?

501
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: Well, I don't. I can't confirm that he's asleep.

502
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: But why did you say he was asleep? I didn't

503
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: say he was.

504
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: This is what I'm confused about. I know he was

505
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: in the bed. He's in the bed, and Xana is

506
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: at the foot of the bed fighting it out with

507
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: the murderer. She gets stabbed over fifty times. She has

508
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: defensive wound.

509
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: And you're assuming that Ethan didn't Now and now I'm

510
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: going to defend Ethan. You're assuming that he didn't do anything.

511
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: You don't know that. How do you know he didn't

512
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: wake up and challenge this guy? And then he's in

513
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: the scuffle too.

514
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: Because as far as I know, he doesn't have defensive wounds,

515
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 1: and they found him asleep in the bed. I mean

516
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: they found him in the bed.

517
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: Okay, so how was he killed?

518
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: He was stabbed?

519
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So maybe as a possibility, he is killed first,

520
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: and then she wakes up and he fights with her,

521
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: and this guy's incapacitated.

522
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: If he was killing Ethan first, then Xanna, I would

523
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: assume she's pretty feisty. She's got fifty defensive wounds, she's

524
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: fastist guy.

525
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: He was stabbed first. He was stabbed, and he was incapacitated.

526
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: She jumps up and she's fighting and she's defensive.

527
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, maybe that's a good theory.

528
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: We think about it. If you have a male and

529
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: a female in a bed, and you have a killer

530
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: in the room, who's and the killer wants to kill

531
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: them both? Who's he going to kill first? He's probably

532
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: going to go after the mail.

533
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's a good theory. I like your theory.

534
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: We'll go with that, okay, thank you. All Right, See

535
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: what happens if you listen to me once in a while.

536
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't like to listen to you anyway. The other

537
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: question I have is there is a dog in the house,

538
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: and I cannot understand what the first of all dog,

539
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: I don't know his name. I don't know what his

540
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: name's Murphy. And they find Murphy the next day in

541
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: a room so one. I don't know how Murphy just

542
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: got into this room, like shut in a room.

543
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: Maybe he was always put to sleep in a different

544
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: room or something.

545
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I have three dogs, and I'm

546
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: telling you, if there was a like multiple murders taking

547
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: place in the house, our dogs would be going nuts.

548
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: No one would two would run away, two.

549
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: Would run away. One would fight, Yes, but they would bark,

550
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: they would there would be noise, they would be.

551
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just need to know what kind

552
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: of dog Murphy is.

553
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: Why do you need to know what kind of dog?

554
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: It makes a difference.

555
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he's a German Shepherd or anything

556
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: like that. I think he's he's a.

557
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: Gold See, he's a golden doodle.

558
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: That's why Murphy. That's why Murphy didn't jump in see

559
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: the mystery saw. Murphy was like, I gotta do my

560
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: golden doodle thing. I'm just gonna hang out over here. See,

561
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: I have a German shepherd husky mix named Togo. And

562
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that dog would fight to the better

563
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: bitter end for my life.

564
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: Unless the person has a vacuum or an he is

565
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: scared run away.

566
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: That is true. This is how you could kill me.

567
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: Bring a vacuum, my.

568
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: Dog, run the house clean, could kill you, and he'd

569
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: be You wouldn't do anything. That is true.

570
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that, all right. Ethan Chapin is

571
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: believed to have been killed in his sleep with a

572
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: stab wound that severed the jugular vein in his neck. Well,

573
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: I guess that's a clean, fast kill. So I don't know.

574
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: So you think he went into the room, saw that

575
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: there was a male, killed him first, and then he

576
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: and Xanna fought it out.

577
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, okay, whatever, all right. I'm still I'm

578
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: still I still have to say.

579
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: I am still confused by the fact that there are

580
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: two other roommates in the house. It's three floors. He

581
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: murders four people in the span of like ten minutes.

582
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: Tops right, that he murders four people, and we know

583
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: that he and Xanna I had a fight. She's got

584
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: all these defensive wounds. There's a dog in the house.

585
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: I mean there had to have been screaming.

586
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: Was there?

587
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, was it? I don't understand that. Was it quiet?

588
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: How many survivors from this home?

589
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: There's two, But I don't understand why there wasn't more sound,

590
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: more reaction, Like why if he's murdering them and there's

591
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: defensive woes and there's fighting, why is there not more?

592
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: Again, there are college students. It was their outlaid and

593
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: they go to a food truck and things like that.

594
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: Isn't it possible that they were drunk and passed out

595
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: or just you know, I don't mean to say I'm

596
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: not trying to judge them, but I'm just saying, like,

597
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, that's possible.

598
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: I know about it.

599
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: I partied out, yeah, but I.

600
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: Don't feel like I'd ever been so incapacitated that if

601
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: I heard like a major fight going on that I

602
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: I it's inclined.

603
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: I agree, it's questionable.

604
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they're involved in any way.

605
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how.

606
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure that they also questioned that themselves, and I'm

607
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: sure they don't feel good about the fact that they

608
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: slept through it all.

609
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: No, they have survivor guilt and all this trauma. Now,

610
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, these I feel sorry for what they went through.

611
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: So Bethany Funk, one of the two surviving roommates, told

612
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: police she was awoken by what sounded like a firecracker

613
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: and noticed a flashing light through the bottom of her door.

614
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: According to a police report, she and Dylan those are

615
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: the two surviving roommates, spoke by phone. Dylan later said

616
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: the mail in black was walking out the back door

617
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: and they had made eye contact with each other, and

618
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: that he was white, with a big nose and holding

619
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: a small vacuum type object. I read it was a container,

620
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: like a container. And then some people speculated that he

621
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: took the door dash food, like did he get a

622
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: container from the kitchen and.

623
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: Like take the food with him? I don't know.

624
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't know either, but she said it looked like

625
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: he was holding like a container when he left when

626
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: he got the one girl that saw him leaving, that's odd.

627
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: And the firecracker, well, if assuming that she saw it

628
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: correctly and it wasn't like she was just traumatized and

629
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: you know a lot of images in her head that

630
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: you think that's a gun.

631
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Well you would think, but there's no shells, and there's

632
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: no bullets and nobody has any bullet one and then.

633
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: That you would beg the question of why did anyone

634
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: wake up if there was a gunshots or firecrackers. There's

635
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: at least firecrackers.

636
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: Well that's what they said. They said, she said she

637
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: saw like a light in something that sounded like a firecracker. Again,

638
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: they didn't call the police. By the way, they saw

639
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: an intruder leaving with a to go container and they

640
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: saw or heard something that looked like a firetra that.

641
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's three floors, there's a number of college kids,

642
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: there's probably a lot of people that come and go,

643
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: so it was probably enough for them to initially think, oh,

644
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: it's just a visitor or friend or whatever for the

645
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: third floor or whatever, and then maybe they got a

646
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: little spooked and scared, and then the guy walks out.

647
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, I can imagine something like that happening.

648
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: I think also said, you're just on this impression. When

649
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: the murder take place, everyone's supposed to just jump up

650
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: and react and attack the murder or run away and

651
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: call police in two seconds. And the dog's supposed attack

652
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: regardless of the pot it.

653
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Just seems like that's what would happen with four people

654
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: being murdered in the midst of the night. But so

655
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: Dylan went down to Bethany's room, and the two tried

656
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: calling their roommates, but no one picked up. They didn't

657
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: call the police immediately because they were drunk and groggy

658
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: and from the night before and thought the situation might

659
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: just be a misunderstanding. I do understand that these girls

660
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: are young, and that they're in college, and that they've

661
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: been drinking, and I also know that their house was

662
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: considered like a party house, see, and so I think

663
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: when she saw someone leaving, instead of thinking that's an

664
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: intruder that just killed my roommates, it's easier to think

665
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: that's just someone I was here partying and drink and

666
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: is now leaving out a side door. So I mean

667
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: what I said. She said she even thought that it

668
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: was possibly a prank by one of Ethan's fraternity brothers.

669
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: So later on Bethanye will.

670
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: Say that when I was in college, yeah, with it

671
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: in a house and the upstairs was not connected downstairs,

672
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: there was a stairway that was outside right that went

673
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: up and there was about six to seven guys upstairs

674
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: and six to seven guys downstairs, and both doors upstairs

675
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: and downstairs. We never locked ever, we didn't even have

676
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: a key to it.

677
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they locked this door.

678
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: Came in and out all the.

679
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: Time, and I think this is what this house was like.

680
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: There was like a sliding glass door. I think it

681
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: was always unlocked. I think it was considered the party house.

682
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: And I think you think that this coming and going.

683
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: This guy stood out there and maybe saw them people

684
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: going in and out and realized it's unlocked. I can

685
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: go in and out.

686
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: Well, probably because he had been stalking their house and

687
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: he made several drive bys. So later on, Bethany calls

688
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: her parents at seven thirty am about a toothache before

689
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: going back to sleep. When she woke up again around eleven,

690
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: she noticed the house was still unusually quiet. She also

691
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: noted that Xanna's Snapchat location wasn't on when it should

692
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: have been, so then Dylan and Bethany call and asked

693
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: two friends to come over because they were scared. When

694
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: one friend went upstairs and saw something concerning, they urged

695
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: Bethany and Dylan to leave the house and call for help.

696
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: According to the report, Bethany saw Xana's body through a

697
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: cracked bedroom door, wearing just a sweatshirt and her underwear.

698
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: And then that is when they dialed nine one one.

699
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: And this is at noon, So noon, yeah.

700
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: That's when they pretty much woke up.

701
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: And well that's when they finally were I mean they

702
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: saw a body and a friend came over the.

703
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: Time they woke up and like, how much time passed

704
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: with them in the morning.

705
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: Without Yeah, I said, at seven thirty am, she was

706
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: calling her parents saying she had a toothache, but then

707
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: she went back to sleep. Yeah, and then at eleven

708
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: she wakes up and see.

709
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 2: They slept in So they were passed out. They were

710
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: all crashed from parting or whatever it was, or just

711
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: staying up late.

712
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: You know. Also they did you know they released those photos.

713
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it, but there was

714
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: a photo where you could see blood on the outside

715
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: of the house.

716
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: It was dripping through from where like a window cell

717
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: or something.

718
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: It's not from a window, it was from just like

719
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: when you see a house the found you can see

720
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: the foundations from the I don't it was from Ethan

721
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: because Ethan's on the second floor. It had dripped down

722
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: and it was coming out. You could see it from

723
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: the sighting coming down onto the foundation and they released

724
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: those photos, but no one knew who it was from.

725
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: And then it was later once these knew all this

726
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: new evidence has been released, it was from from Ethan.

727
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: So Kaylee.

728
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: This is why they thought Kaylee was the intended victim,

729
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: because she thought she was being followed, and the weeks

730
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: leading up to her death, Kaylee reportedly shared several unsettling

731
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: experiences with her room. This is according to these new

732
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: police documents that have been released. One roommate recalled that

733
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Kaylee mentioned that she felt that someone had been following

734
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: her for two or three weeks prior to the attack.

735
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: In one instance, she reportedly saw a shadow while she

736
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: was outside with her dog, around the same time she

737
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: spotted an unknown man above their off campus house staring

738
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: at her when she took the dog outside. Investigators noted

739
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: these accounts and their reports, though they did not link

740
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: the suspect, Brian, to any of these earlier incidents. I

741
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we know that he was talking

742
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: in the house.

743
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: So if a child calls you and says, I think

744
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: someone's been following me, I mean, how would we respond, you.

745
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: Know, I don't know. I was just thinking the same

746
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: thing because we're parents, and Shelby's obviously, Shane's oldest daughter

747
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: is in was in college, and Chanelle's in college his

748
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: second oldest daughter. And if one of them called you

749
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: and said that they thought they were being followed and

750
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: they saw a man, what would you do?

751
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: Well, I would ask questions to learn, but I think

752
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: I would take action in depending on what it was.

753
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: You know, I would want them to not be alone.

754
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: I would probably you know, if are they following you

755
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: to your apartment? Do we need to like relocate you

756
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: or put you somewhere temporarily. I mean, I wouldn't just think, oh, well,

757
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: let's hope it stops.

758
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess my question.

759
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: I know that Shelby Chanelle they call me when they're

760
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: walking late at night or something. They just don't want

761
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: to be alone, so that way they're at least on

762
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: the phone. I mean, you got to take measures. You

763
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: can't just downplay something is you can't just talk it

764
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: off as some weird guy that's following you. Yeah, did

765
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: they notify the parents of being No.

766
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I think that's the issue. Was she never shared it

767
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: with her parents.

768
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: Parents, we're just talking about what we would do. I

769
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: would take action. I don't know what that would because

770
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: it would depend. Are they just falling around Walmart and

771
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: you've never seen him before after that? Or are they

772
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: around your apartment? You know? Are they your age? Are

773
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: you alone? And then based on the act to figure something out.

774
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: Also, according to all these new documents and evidence that

775
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: has been released, a redacted witness identified as a friend

776
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: and fellow WSU student told police that he saw noticeable

777
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: injuries on Brian Coberger in October and November of twenty

778
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: twenty two. The friend recalled seeing a scratch on Coburger's

779
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: face that resembled fingernail marks, as well as knuckle injuries

780
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: on more than one occasion. When questioned about the marks,

781
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: Coberger allegedly said that they were from a car accident.

782
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: Then another person comes forward and apparently he had a

783
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: tender match that had a chilling conversation with him. According

784
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: to the police reports, a woman who had matched with

785
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger on tender.

786
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: I feel sad when this connection this is in.

787
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: Late twenty twenty two, came forward with a tip. In

788
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty four and was later interviewed by investigators.

789
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: She said that their conversations included topics like criminology, horror films,

790
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: and the murder of one of her friends. At one point,

791
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: Coberger aglation, no wonder they matched on tender she had

792
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: she had a friend that was.

793
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: Blood and you like him in blood. Yeah, you have.

794
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: A friend that was murdered. That's interesting because I'd like

795
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: to murder people. At one point, Coburger alleged asked her

796
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: her opinion on the worst way to die. When she

797
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: responded by knife, he reportedly followed up with a question

798
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: referencing a k bar type of combat knife.

799
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Which we do know is that the weapon that was

800
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: supposedly used. Right, right prosecutors buy some firecrackers.

801
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: And some firecrackers. Apparently right prosecutors have said Coburger purchased

802
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: a k bar knife and sheath online prior to the murders.

803
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: We knew this, and we talked about this in the

804
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: prior podcast that we did, and that was if you

805
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: haven't listened to it and you don't know a lot

806
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: of details of the case, that was how they eventually

807
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: caught Brian Coberger was because the knife, sheath was actually

808
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: left behind in Maddie and Kayley's bed, and they found

809
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: the DNA on the knife sheath. The knife, the actual

810
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: weapon that was used has never been found, but they

811
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: didn't find the sheath had a little DNA on it,

812
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: and the DNA testing is so amazing. It was found

813
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: in Kaylee and Maddie's bed.

814
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: He left it behind. Yeah, So what's logical and plausible

815
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: is he went to the third floor first to commit

816
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: his first murders. He pulls the knife out of the sheath,

817
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: goes through the murder transaction that leaves the heath, the

818
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 2: sheath sorry on the bed, goes downstairs, does some more murdering,

819
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: and then leaves and now it's upstairs. Right, So it

820
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: was first removed, right.

821
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: The woman told police that she eventually cut off all

822
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: communication with Coburger because his questions were unsettling to her.

823
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 1: Investigators later attempted to retrieve tender records related to her tip,

824
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: but reported no matches based on the information available. They

825
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: noted they would seek a warrant if more identifying detail surface.

826
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, is this someone who's just coming forward

827
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: and just putting themselves into a murder situation because they they're.

828
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: Because it's likes criminology.

829
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Because weird people out there, right that like to get.

830
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: If they can look at the intended the price, see

831
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: a chat history or something like that.

832
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: Well, they said they couldn't find, they couldn't investigate.

833
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: At the end, doesn't change a whole lot. I guess

834
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: what they were looking for, see if there's any other

835
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: potential murder victims, right, because if they found him connected

836
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: with other tender people and those were murdered or something,

837
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: they can connect him. I'm sure that's what they were

838
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: looking for.

839
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: So Coburger's sole conversation with authorities was revealed. This is

840
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: after he's been arrested. Though Brian Coberger declined to answer

841
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: most questions following his arrest, he did briefly speak with

842
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: investigators during an initial interview in late twenty twenty two

843
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: at his family's Pennsylvania home. This is according to the

844
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: police records. At the start of the conversation, he expressed

845
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: concern for his parents and a dog in the wake

846
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: of the SWAT raid. He then made small talk mentioning

847
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: he was a doctoral student at Washington State University and

848
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: his goal of becoming a professor and the difficulty of

849
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: getting into a PhD program, and I read a little

850
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: bit about the dog, like people weren't sure which dog

851
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: he was referencing. They didn't know if he was referencing Murphy,

852
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: the dog that was in the house, and that maybe

853
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: he possibly put the dog in the room and shut

854
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: the door so the dog was okay. I don't know, but.

855
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: That's a theory that's possible.

856
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: There's a lot of unanswered questions that still remained. Law

857
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: enforce horsement records do not clarify whether investigators ever uncovered

858
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: a motive behind the murders or identified a definitive connection

859
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: between Coburger and the victims. During his sentencing, Judge Stephen

860
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: Hipler described Coburger as a faceless coward and noted that

861
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: while many seek to understand his reasons, doing so risk

862
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: giving him undue influence. The judge emphasized that the crimes

863
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: defied any sense of rational explanation, adding that Coburger's moment

864
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: in the spotlight should now be over. At a press

865
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: conference held Wednesday, officials confirmed that they had not recovered

866
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: the weapon or clothing believed to have been used in

867
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: the attack. Also, during his sentencing, the victims were allowed

868
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: to make victim impact statements. And I don't know if

869
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: anyone has watched Olivia's impact statement. She's the sister of KAYLEI.

870
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Her statement to him was phenomenal. I watched the whole

871
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: thing if you have the opportunity to find it. It

872
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: went viral and watched. Her name's Olivia and she's she's

873
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: the older sister of Kaylee.

874
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Speaker 2: Okay, so Kaylee's sister. Olivia gave you victim's impact.

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Speaker 1: But she made the statement it was really on behalf

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Speaker 1: of Kaylee and Maddie because they were best friends and

877
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: they were the ones that were in the bed together.

878
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: They had been best friends their whole life since they

879
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Speaker 1: were little kids, so she knew one was her sister,

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Speaker 1: but she also felt like like Mattie was a little

881
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: sister too. This is just some of what she said.

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00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: This is just some excerpts because we obviously you're not

883
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: going to read the whole statement. But Olivia gunnsalvs which

884
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: is Kaylee's older sister, she addressed Coburger directly and she said,

885
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Speaker 1: sit up straight when I talk to you on why

886
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: Kaylee would have retaliated, She said, if you had not

887
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: attacked them in their sleep, Kaylee would have kicked her

888
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: focking ass. She also called him a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser,

889
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: insisting you didn't win, You aren't special or deep. No

890
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: one is scared of you. Today, she spoke on Maddie

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00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: and Kaylee's personalities, saying that they would have treated Coburger

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00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: with kindness if he had ever approached them and their

893
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: everyday lives. I also watched an interview with her after

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00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: the fact. I think it was on Good Morning America

895
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Speaker 1: or something like that, and it was really interesting to me.

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00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: She said that she for because she knew she was

897
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Speaker 1: going to give this victim impact statement, and she said

898
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: that she stalked him. She stalked the stalker. She said

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Speaker 1: she wanted to learn absolutely everything she possibly could about him,

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Speaker 1: so that when she gave this victim impact statement, it

901
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: wasn't She didn't say she wanted to do it for

902
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: Maddie and Kaylee. She wanted to do it on their behalf,

903
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: and so she really focused on him and making him

904
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Speaker 1: small and making him inadequate and just taking him down.

905
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Speaker 1: And she does. I don't know how she did it.

906
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: I have a sister. If I had to look at

907
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Speaker 1: my sister's killer. I don't think I could have gotten

908
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: through it, but she said it was I think maybe

909
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes. But she memorized the whole thing so

910
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: that she could look him in the eyes the entire time.

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00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I want it was personal, too, campy, right, jab at

912
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: him right. And I really liked where she was coming from.

913
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: She didn't just stand up there and say, Maddie and

914
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: Kaylee were raised of sunshine and they were bright, you know,

915
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: and they are right. But she took a completely different

916
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: approach where it wasn't about them, it was just him,

917
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: and she found out every piece of information she could

918
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: about him so that she could just take him down.

919
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: And it was compelling, it was amazing. It was she

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00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: memorized it so she could look him in the eye

921
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Speaker 1: the whole time, and it was really good. If you

922
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Speaker 1: haven't watched the whole thing, I would suggest that you

923
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Speaker 1: find it. It's on TikTok, it's on YouTube, it's everywhere.

924
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: So it's Olivia's impact statement.

925
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: Yes, Olivia's yeah. And she also says on Good Morning

926
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: America that she thoroughly thought that like she was going

927
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: to get arrested. I don't know why she thought she

928
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: was going to get arrested. I don't know if it's

929
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: because she felt like maybe it was too harsh, that

930
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: she'd be in contempt, but she even said that why,

931
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: she said.

932
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Speaker 2: Since I've seen some pretty good the only ones that

933
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: they do get detained is when they like jump over

934
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: the wall and you know, try to right. Even then

935
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: sometimes judges like give him a warning. Yeah, like like

936
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, we can't be like that.

937
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. She also said, which I thought was interesting, that

938
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: she said when she was sitting in court before she

939
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: gave her victim impact statement, that she started to regret

940
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Speaker 1: or not. I don't know if the right word is regret,

941
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: but she started to change her victim impact statement because

942
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: his mother and sister were in court, and I think

943
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: maybe she she felt like maybe it was too harsh

944
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: or I mean I think.

945
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Speaker 2: Maybe I think maybe she still no.

946
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was the thinking was is a mother,

947
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: I know, but I don't think she thought they would

948
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Speaker 1: be in court and I thought she no less badly

949
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: for them. Maybe maybe she had some compassion for them,

950
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: But then ultimately she just she decided to just go

951
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: forward with it as is. She said she was trying

952
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: to edit it and then she I think she said

953
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: her dad went. Did her dad go first? But anyway,

954
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: when Kaylee's dad gave his victim impact statement, he grabbed

955
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: the podium and he pulled it up so that he

956
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: was like right in front of Brian Coberger. And she

957
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: said when she saw her dad do that, that that

958
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: gave her the confidence to just go up there and

959
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: say exactly what she was going to say. All right.

960
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: So a lot of other family members gave victim impact statements.

961
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: They were really more about the children and their personalities.

962
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: I think Olivia's was just the most compelling because of

963
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: the way she went about doing it. So where will

964
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: Coburger go now? Brian Coberger was sentenced to four consecutive

965
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: life terms without parole at the Idaho Department of Correction.

966
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Speaker 1: It's located in Kuna, Idaho, about twenty miles from Boise,

967
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: and it's an Idaho maximum security institution and it houses

968
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: the state's most disruptive male residents and has a double

969
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: perimeter fence reinforced with razor wire and an electronic detection system.

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00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: Is the emailing solitary confinement we know.

971
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I do know that

972
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: the facility was named one of the fifteen worst prisons

973
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: in America by Security Journal Americas in twenty twenty four,

974
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: joining other notorious lockups like Antiqua Correctional Facility in New York,

975
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Speaker 1: San Quentin, and California, and a d X Florence, also

976
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Speaker 1: known as the Alcatraz. I mean the rock that means

977
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. Here's the thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what people feel like in prison about

979
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: a man murdering for young you know, college students. So

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00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: we'll see how long.

981
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Speaker 2: Oh, how well he survives there?

982
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: Right, because Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison. There's they're

983
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, child molesters.

984
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: And child and inmates have a hierarchy.

985
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: They do, they do, So we'll see. I don't know,

986
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger. We'll see what happens in prison. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening to Leli Brunette.

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Speaker 1: the time. You give me cases that you would like

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Speaker 1: and sometimes if we're incorrect. I appreciate that you give

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Speaker 1: us the heads up because we always try to be

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Speaker 1: as accurate as possible, even with these older keys and

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Speaker 1: conflicting evidence. We try to do a good job of,

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Speaker 1: you know, giving you as much factual information along with

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Speaker 1: our opinions at the same time. So thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening.

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