WEBVTT - Resilience w/ Rachael Bella

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<v Speaker 2>have celeb guests. We really have a ball over here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm on the West coast. We're on the same

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<v Speaker 2>coast again, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're back, back back again. You've been sunny bright lights.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Winnifred Sanderson, you know from Hocus Focus.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just like it makes me sick, That's what I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I woke up with my laptop like on the bed,

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<v Speaker 2>like I really, I don't know what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you've been doing not show.

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<v Speaker 2>Finding parking on trash day in this neighborhood took everything

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<v Speaker 2>out of me.

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<v Speaker 3>And then finally.

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<v Speaker 2>This this house next to where I'm staying. They're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of psycho Once if you walk by or anywhere near

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<v Speaker 2>the house, it goes warning you are being recorded. Its

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<v Speaker 2>full lights and it's full recording and I'm always flicking

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<v Speaker 2>it up like you're psychotic and so nuts. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>they there's two spot parking spots in front of their house,

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<v Speaker 2>like in theory, that's enough space, and then it's red

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Because La loves to paint a curb.

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<v Speaker 2>Bread can we make the decisions of when we can

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<v Speaker 2>stop at the curb?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so fucked up, it's so fucked up this city.

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<v Speaker 2>But they put their trash can on the one good

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<v Speaker 2>parking spot when half the curb is red. So I

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<v Speaker 2>finally got out of the car and moved all their

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<v Speaker 2>parking bins to the red. But I am on camera,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll see it happens.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Call call cops. I know, I'm just gonna say you're

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<v Speaker 2>a bad person on garbage. Like, yeah, there's there's already

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<v Speaker 2>less parking. Girl, it's three in the morning. I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>get in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I put mine like out so somebody can

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<v Speaker 1>park behind them. I mean it's always me parking behind them,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this is a carriveting content here in for

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<v Speaker 2>the riveting content of Bin movil Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared had like a fucking like traumatic run in with

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<v Speaker 1>the cops. Like he was trying to take my kids

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<v Speaker 1>last weekend because I had the afternoon off to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a party where I line danced, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>taking our kids to this children's museum, but there was

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<v Speaker 1>like a festival happening in the parking lot. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>at the Rose Bowl, and the cops were there directing

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<v Speaker 1>traffic and stuff, and so two cars turned this one way,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jared just found like followed them so that he

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<v Speaker 1>could get to a parking spot closer to this kid's museum.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got our two kids in the car, and this

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<v Speaker 1>cop stops him and he's like, no, no turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and is screaming at him, and he's just going, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna turn around, and the guy just keeps fucking

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<v Speaker 1>screaming at him. Our kids were like traumatized. They were

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<v Speaker 1>like when she put Rosie to bed that night, she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were gonna get.

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<v Speaker 1>Arrested like these like over literally trying to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a parking spot. He wasn't like driving up on a curb.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't endangering anyone I just like fucking infuriates me

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<v Speaker 1>how these like cops get on power trips like this

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<v Speaker 1>and scream at people. And it's like, now you probably

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<v Speaker 1>have like informed my daughter's reaction to cops like for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of her life, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they act like it's some sort of messaging that

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<v Speaker 2>turns us against them, but it's like, oh no, I

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<v Speaker 2>think as kids, we teach kids to go to cops,

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<v Speaker 2>and you fucking didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you didn't, Yeah exactly. It's like she fucking loves

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<v Speaker 1>Paw Patrol, she loves Chase. She thinks cops are good.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've tried to tell her there are some good

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<v Speaker 1>cops and there are some bad cops. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>Jared was just like that was not a good cop,

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<v Speaker 1>like he was, And I was like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>never know what's going on with someone. Maybe that guy's

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<v Speaker 1>wife just left him, but like, honestly, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>not scream at a man with two kids in the

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<v Speaker 1>car for a turning down the wrong street in a

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot that you didn't like, that you didn't want,

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<v Speaker 1>it was wild. Anyway, we can move on to more

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<v Speaker 1>fun things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean La has been a blur, and I brought

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<v Speaker 2>the New York to LA.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm running around like a man woman, and I am ragged.

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<v Speaker 3>But we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>But I signed up for more Soul Cycle than I

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<v Speaker 2>brought workout clothes, so I do have to stop at

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<v Speaker 2>Tjmax as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh add that to the docket. You should have brought

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<v Speaker 3>laundry to my house the other day when you came.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely should have, but you know, here like all day.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would have to get fragrance free detergent.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I have. Oh yeah, yeah, that was a

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<v Speaker 3>big mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been using that shit since I had kids. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I just like thought I grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>a blue tide family. Now I'm a clear tide girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yea yeah yeah, but they should make a tide

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<v Speaker 2>pod candy.

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<v Speaker 3>It does look good, like to confuse kids even more.

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<v Speaker 2>No for us, for us, That's what I'm want for us. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Netflix is a joke. Festival is raging through

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<v Speaker 2>LA ten days.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems never ending. It's never ending.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did a random show last night, best fish

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<v Speaker 2>Taco or something. Oh yeah, that's outside packed as fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>and he mentioned the festival and not one person knew

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But so it's like we're so in it

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<v Speaker 2>and it does seem so huge though, but a whole

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<v Speaker 2>audience and people were like, we don't know what you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, cause like that show Best Fish Taco is

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<v Speaker 1>a great show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very hipster. It's east Side.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, these aren't the people that are spending two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars to go see like Brett Goldstein at the

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<v Speaker 1>Forum or whatever at like the Palladia, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. Like, it's kind of it's a different groups,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. But I love Best Fish Taco. I've had great,

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<v Speaker 1>great sets there. It's such a fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, it was a really fun show. I had a

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<v Speaker 3>great time.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait you just said something that made oh you know

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<v Speaker 2>the Assistance versus Agents Instagram?

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<v Speaker 3>No wait, you don't follow this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like crazy because I used to be an assistant

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<v Speaker 1>to an executive and I think I have a very.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude Assistance versus Agents. Everyone has to follow it or

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<v Speaker 2>this is a mario. I think maybe huge.

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<v Speaker 3>I love this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wait, they might not be the one who posted this.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a photo of Steve Corral and Ryan Gosling on

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<v Speaker 2>the set of Crazy Stupid Love and over Ryan Gosling,

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<v Speaker 2>it says people that go to Coachella, and then over

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Corell, it says people who go to Netflix. As

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<v Speaker 2>a joke Fitt and he has like a bad pollo.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the wrong It's not on this instagram. I

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<v Speaker 2>confused it. But this instagram is so good. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I love this. I'm already perusing and loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely so. I did do an hour show. We

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<v Speaker 2>did see some people are my number one fan. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say. Arsley did leave her husband at the Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl show Skip Seinfeld to come to my show, which

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, girl, you don't have to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm quite accessible, like you'll see me another time. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out and about and for a really good price. But

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<v Speaker 2>at that show there was a woman there who we

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<v Speaker 2>ended up finding out does beverage creation for Starbucks.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, well, what beverage did you create?

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<v Speaker 2>And she said, next Tuesday, that's my drink and it's

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<v Speaker 2>trying out and we just check Google and her drink

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<v Speaker 2>did drop. It is the Summer Berry Starbucks refresher. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not a advertisement. I don't know this woman. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just so impressed by she made this. This was her,

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<v Speaker 2>she was on the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in beverage innovation, and this is her drink. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a twitt what People magazine calls a twist on boba.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's got raspberry pearls in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a blue drink that has like raspberry flavored,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, pearls at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think finally they're like Boba's hit a really like

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<v Speaker 2>it's really now. I guess I would say they have

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<v Speaker 2>really come into Yeah. Yeah, I don't like any I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like those things. There's a oh I love boba

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<v Speaker 2>so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't suck up a little ball of something it

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<v Speaker 3>makes me. I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my sister likes the popping ones. That's not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the regular boba, but I fucking love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I fuck I love a melon honeydew.

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<v Speaker 2>A honeydew flavored boba is something I like.

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<v Speaker 3>But nice. This reminds me. So.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a Simpsons episode, the Twisted World of March I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's called. But she is in this like women's

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<v Speaker 2>group with all the other women in the Simpsons to

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<v Speaker 2>be entrepreneurs, but she's like too chicken with money, so

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<v Speaker 2>they kick her out and then they get a truck

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<v Speaker 2>called Fleeta Pita, but it's not full awful. It's crunchy patties.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not peta. It's like flatbread and they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>white it all out and it's really funny. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she goes into business with making pretzels and ye, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>comedy ensues. But that's what this raspberry pearls reminds me of.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just like you are crunchy peating the full

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<v Speaker 2>afful But I'm gonna try it because we obviously met

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<v Speaker 2>her and I wouldn't. Oh, it says popping, new popping,

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<v Speaker 2>raspberry flavored.

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<v Speaker 1>Pearl What do you mean? Like it? It pops?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they like pop. It's different. They're like a different consistency.

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<v Speaker 2>The boba is tapioca. It's like thick, yeah, kind of hardy,

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<v Speaker 2>a hardy ball, and the popping boba is like there's

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<v Speaker 2>just a juice in it and it just releases. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>fast light. It's light and releasing. Maybe I would like

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<v Speaker 2>that better. I think it's the tapioca I don't like. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you should try a popping like a pop, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>more flavors of the pop, so like there's a green

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<v Speaker 2>apple start, so you can you could also choose the

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<v Speaker 2>flavor of the popping.

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<v Speaker 3>Boba and yeah, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can mix it with the drink, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you have, you know, a watermelon.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, another person I met at your at your Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>is a Joke show was a listener named Christy and

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<v Speaker 1>she had come all the way from Australia to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Lovers and Friends, which was a festival I was

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<v Speaker 1>dying to go see in Vegas, but the tickets were

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<v Speaker 1>too expensive and my friend just kept being.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't think that this is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she kept being like, there's no way all these

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<v Speaker 1>artists are going to show up. It was a one

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<v Speaker 1>day festival with literally everybody from like two thousands R

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<v Speaker 1>and B that you would want to see, like a

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<v Speaker 1>show one night, which was crazy, and te pain was

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<v Speaker 1>on a different stage than the main stage.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at the schedule, I was jealous, but in

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<v Speaker 2>my head, I'm like, I thought it was like a scam.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, how did they get everyone in one day?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this seems too good.

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<v Speaker 3>To be it.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed crazy, and it seemed like my friend kept saying,

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, I don't think they're all going to

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<v Speaker 1>show up. This like can't be true. And then literally

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<v Speaker 1>they canceled the festival they like the day of or

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<v Speaker 1>the day before because of the wind, because of.

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<v Speaker 2>The high winds. So then I went, I was right.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet those artists aren't even in town. This was something.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there was footage. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>real or not, but I guess someone from their balcony

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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas saw Usher was watching Usher rehearse, and then

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<v Speaker 2>someone whispered something in his ear and he dropped to

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<v Speaker 2>his knees and sadness, and so that's but that seems

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<v Speaker 2>like you saw that from your balcony. This must be

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<v Speaker 2>a lie. You saw Usher get the toll the news.

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<v Speaker 3>You watched him at the exact moment. That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So but that made me be like, Okay, Lisa, you're

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<v Speaker 2>becoming too conspiratorial, like relax. But it just seemed too

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<v Speaker 2>good to be true, and I feel really bad for people.

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<v Speaker 3>But thank god it's canceled. In Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like Bonnerou where you're in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee and that's what I was to arre In fucking Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw people going to Magic Mike instead, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>people going to drag shows. Yeah, following me on Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>you can go yeah yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 1>She got to see you And it was nice to

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<v Speaker 1>meet all the listeners that I saw when I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Lisa's show.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are the best, the best. I ate all

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian snacks. That's been my my little snack when

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<v Speaker 2>I've been getting home, and honestly, for La, I've really

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<v Speaker 2>been pushing it till two three in the morning, which

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is really cool because in LA's a sleepy little fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>La likes to go to bed, go to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>People are out and and I do have to tell

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<v Speaker 2>everyone I was at the Tom Brady Roast. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just as a viewer, one of the best nights of

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<v Speaker 2>my life. Like I had so much fun. The jokes

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<v Speaker 2>were so many and fun. There was pyrotechnics, and now

0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.040
<v Speaker 2>that I know about football, I got certain like I

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<v Speaker 2>got it. I knew what was happening, but I always

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<v Speaker 2>forget if it's Roger or Robert Kraft.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like this fucked up thing while I will, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's Robert.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Robert Kraft. I have to remember, so we

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<v Speaker 2>did cover his crime. But I did shake his hand,

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<v Speaker 2>so I do have to tell the listeners. I did

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<v Speaker 2>shake his hand at the after party. He was really

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<v Speaker 2>loose with that hand. I wasn't even trying to shake it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he came at me with the hand and I

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<v Speaker 2>shook it. And you know, he is responsible for women

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<v Speaker 2>being deported and house arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for coming clean, Thank you for coming clean.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a hand being thrust at you.

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<v Speaker 3>You shook it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like you talk to him and like hung

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<v Speaker 1>out with him all night, you know, No, and a.

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<v Speaker 2>Limp limp haanshake. And I think he's elderly at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in forty one. My dad has a

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<v Speaker 2>better handshake than that, I'll tell you that much. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was weird and I just kept telling people

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<v Speaker 2>like I covered his crime. I know about all about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's actually a bigger story than you think. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a bigger case what you were saying about Robert Kraft,

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<v Speaker 1>like he did do a not good thing. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it's like of all the jokes, that was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the jokes that Tom Brady was like, don't write like

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<v Speaker 1>was not one of the jokes, like of any jokes

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<v Speaker 1>about him. Tom Brady was like stop, like and why

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's public record for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe I'm trying to think about Tom Brady

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe he like maybe it's like, oh, that's my

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<v Speaker 2>grandpa and he got a handy, you gotta leave him alone.

0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.040
<v Speaker 3>And it's not about the handy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about, you know, to me that he hired one

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<v Speaker 2>of the like you know, like bad guy lawyer. He

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<v Speaker 2>hired one of those he had like this insane legal team.

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<v Speaker 2>He like fought it to the end even though it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't even a real charge, like move on with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and those women really suffered. And it's to the cops

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<v Speaker 2>and all these investigators in the name of saving human

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<v Speaker 2>trafficking victims, but it wasn't. And they fucked up these

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<v Speaker 2>women's lives and deported that and shit.

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<v Speaker 3>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the principle of all of it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think getting a handy in a massage parlor is bad, now,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I mean. It's like bigger than this one guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like he fought it so hard for so

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<v Speaker 2>for nothing and like got to just take a private

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<v Speaker 2>jet to a game and live on And Tom Brady's like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't fucking talk about that. Ye yeah, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what these women are up to now after

0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.160
<v Speaker 2>these criminal records their jobs were taken away like yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But also so what we found out is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they human traffickers or are they just poor? And

0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.200
<v Speaker 2>that's what poor people have to do, and that that

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<v Speaker 2>like us as a collective were more unwilling to accept

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<v Speaker 2>that this was by in quotes choice or were they

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<v Speaker 2>scared of the upper up bosses like in the episode? Right, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to listen to this, this is an

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<v Speaker 2>older episode we've done.

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<v Speaker 3>The guests was Margaret Cho.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this is the counselor. It's Chinatown episode that

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<v Speaker 1>we covered a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides you know, shaking this old dirty man's hand. I

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<v Speaker 2>did meet Julian Edelman, who's you know, a new sports podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And wait, casey, you don't know this. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta show you my photo. I've been showing everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot stop and listen. I've met some stars. He

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's just like I feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>young girl again and this is my Nick Carter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like so thrilling. But I did meet Julian Edelman.

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<v Speaker 2>Athletes are different than our our famous art type people

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<v Speaker 2>because athletes are trained.

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<v Speaker 3>They posed with kids out, they pose with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I saw Julian Edelman walking into the arena. I

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<v Speaker 2>was at the VIP entrance. No big deal. I did

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<v Speaker 2>do the carpet. The photos could look better and I

0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.000
<v Speaker 2>should have gotten my makeup professionally done, but I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to be like too cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is an event, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna go all out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, should have gone all out, absolutely

0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.040
<v Speaker 2>biggest event of the year. But he walked by and

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<v Speaker 2>people just hop out, like can I take a selfie?

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<v Speaker 3>No questions asked.

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<v Speaker 2>They just athletes fucking pose you can take photos of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's different.

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<v Speaker 1>Please tell everybody my message that you were distributing on

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<v Speaker 1>the red carpet when people interviewed you about my thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>about Tom Brady.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so any questions that I got asked, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, listen. Eighty for Brady is based on four

0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.520
<v Speaker 2>real women and he refuses to meet them, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's bad and he must meet them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, justice for the eighty for Brady women. But Nikki, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>so I didn't realize this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to my friend who had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>worse seats than me, so she saw more of the

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<v Speaker 2>arena and she told me that it was interesting. As

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<v Speaker 2>the men announced, they all got standing ovations and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but Nikki did not.

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<v Speaker 3>Nikki like, they just sat for Nicki.

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<v Speaker 2>But the only standing ovation after a performance was fucking

0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Nicki Glazer and the whole arena stood up.

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<v Speaker 3>It was electric.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister texted me that she could hear me screaming

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<v Speaker 2>in the They watched.

0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 3>It, but like you, oh my god, I gotta watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>The camera was really behind us, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>pee so often, and it was kind of a nightmare

0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.919
<v Speaker 2>having to like figure out how and when to pe.

0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.879
<v Speaker 2>But it was just I love roasts. I miss it.

0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.439
<v Speaker 2>I miss watching them. I love me and quick jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>I love people laughing on a dais And it really

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.320
<v Speaker 2>felt cool being there. And even and I hate some

0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.760
<v Speaker 2>of the people performing, two of the people I really

0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.240
<v Speaker 2>dislike and don't respect the most were up there. Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>affect my good time, Like that is how much fun was?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so great, that's so great. Yeah, I mean

0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody's like it's it's a hit. Everybody's truly talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But wait, we are getting the twenty minute flag from Casey,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's get the episode started. But really quickly, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to just say, oh, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Buy ticket, reserve seats. Come to my Netflix special taping.

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<v Speaker 2>It's June foesth eight and ten o'clock in New York

0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.199
<v Speaker 2>at the Comedy Cellar at the Village Underground. Yeah do

0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that please? So come, Yeah, go to that. That's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be so you're gonna be a part of history. You're

0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna be on Netflix. Baby if you go watch that, well,

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean they probably won't show you, but you know

0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.120
<v Speaker 2>you'll your laughs will be immortalized forever on a streaming platform.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but you know what, listen, I had my high eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>I had an hour. I had fun shows that've been

0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.760
<v Speaker 2>running around, did the pladium outside. But I did want

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<v Speaker 2>to everyone should know I did bomb on Fluffy's show

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<v Speaker 2>at the Palladium and yeah, it was a disaster. I

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<v Speaker 2>My face was hot, like boiling hot for about forty

0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.920
<v Speaker 2>five minutes. I could not get my face too cool.

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I was so I can't imagine you bombing. I've never

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.159
<v Speaker 2>seen anything close to it. So it's fine. I mean,

0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.320
<v Speaker 2>I handled this. This is the thing and the joke

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<v Speaker 2>of it all. I've done work, I've been booed by more.

0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.399
<v Speaker 2>I've been you know what I mean. So I was silent,

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple people were yelling out that I should

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.120
<v Speaker 2>leave and sit down. But other than that, like I've

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.320
<v Speaker 2>been booed, I've been through worse, and so that's what

0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:23.359
<v Speaker 2>they don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, some comics have a specific audience and they

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<v Speaker 1>just want their person.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's crazy though.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they wouldn't even clap when I walked out.

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<v Speaker 2>They saw me and stop clapping, and I'm like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I know the guy before me is famous and rich,

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<v Speaker 2>but no one respects him. And so that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>was feeling good too. I was like, Oh, I'm gonna

0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 2>follow this guy. This is gonna be great. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do some immigrant material. We're gonna vibe. And then they

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 2>were just like, we hate like it. And then but

0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.840
<v Speaker 2>what's worse than people hating you and silence is then

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<v Speaker 2>the other people that are like, you got keep going, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like this, no, nice everything. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>was just looking at the time er being like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to leave, two guys, this is not how I

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:11.800
<v Speaker 2>envisioned this. I'm like, I saw Lizzo here on Molly.

0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.439
<v Speaker 2>I saw Gail Simmons with a light on her like

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<v Speaker 2>from heaven here like, this is not what I plan neither.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to do my return to the Palladium. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, that was.

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<v Speaker 2>A twenty eighteen. The stage manager is so good at

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<v Speaker 2>her job. I go, I saw Lizzo here she goes

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<v Speaker 2>that was twenty eighteen, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Go, she sure was? I guess it was. No, it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't she's wrong day.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Lozzo in twenty nineteen because I had had Rosie,

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<v Speaker 1>and remember I was like, I was like, can I

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<v Speaker 1>take Mollie?

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<v Speaker 2>But I was breastfeeding, so I didn't. Well, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fuck her drag. Couldn't call her out.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I just know because I wanted to take Molly

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<v Speaker 1>at Lizzo and I was like, fuck, I'm breastfeeding, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was googling, like can you take whatever?

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<v Speaker 5>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>I figured out I decided not to take the risk,

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<v Speaker 3>but last little announcements.

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<v Speaker 2>I what kind of shocks most billionaires aren't? Most billionaires are,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, which could have happened here, you know

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<v Speaker 2>so okay, it is what it is. Listen. The merch

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<v Speaker 2>This episode one of our favorites. So really have a

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<v Speaker 2>good time, guys, because we should did here.

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<v Speaker 1>We go, all right, we're doing Resilient, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most I will say, fucked up episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were gonna say most requested because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I've been waiting to do this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Young Ti Ti me.

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<v Speaker 1>This pops up in my head as Lisa really loves

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<v Speaker 1>this one, wants to do this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So season four, episode ten, this Baby's coming out two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two, and we start on a subway platform,

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 1>which I love. Whenever they can get on the subway,

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though one of my most.

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Haunting episodes takes place on a subway. So one guy

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.439
<v Speaker 1>is telling another guy on the subday platform about his

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 1>nephew and his wife trying to use an intercom baby

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.640
<v Speaker 1>monitor to talk to the kids, which I do use

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>to talk to my own children, and you know, I

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>terrorize them. And the guy being told the story is

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of like he feels uninterested in it, but also

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 1>he clocks a teen girl looking very bummed and maybe

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 1>is in like a Catholic school uniform. And the train

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>starts to come, and it is the end train. I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading on the wiki like that this is like

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<v Speaker 1>all inconsistent because I think it said it was the

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>West fourth stop, but then the wall of the back

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<v Speaker 1>says Church Street and it is the end train. So

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.639
<v Speaker 1>this is a lot of like things that don't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But the train starts to come, and the guy comments, oh,

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.919
<v Speaker 1>it's the Express, which means for anybody that doesn't really

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 1>know the New York subway, it's not going to stop there,

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:02.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just going to zoom by the station. And they

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 1>do zoom by extremely fast. So he sees this girl

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 1>looking despondent in she'ing closer to the edge of the

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 1>platform while his friend keeps yammering around about this inane story,

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and just when it looks like she's about to hurl

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 1>her body in front of the oncoming train, this guy

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>yells no and grabs her and saves her, and sadly

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<v Speaker 1>we never get a punchline to the baby monitor story.

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<v Speaker 3>I really don't know where it was going.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we cut to Benson Stabler walking with Finn,

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 1>who's giving them all the info that this girl tried

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to quote donate her body to the Downtown Express. She's

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>not wearing underwear, her shirt is torn, she's got bruises

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 1>on her thighs, no id, she's not talking, so they

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.159
<v Speaker 1>find her on a stretcher and she won't respond to

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Olivia's questions, and then Stabler's like, I got a daughter

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.439
<v Speaker 1>your age, and I would really want to know what

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>happened to her so I could be there for her.

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>So this girl's like, okay, daddy, and she finally tells

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>us her name is Jackie Landrix and she lives on

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.919
<v Speaker 1>sixteenth in Chelsea. She is very freaked out at the

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.640
<v Speaker 1>idea of them telling her parents what happens. Says, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>kill me and it's SVU, so you know, that's not

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.439
<v Speaker 1>just an expression, and Elliott's like, no, they're just going

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:08.959
<v Speaker 1>to be so glad you're safe foreshadowing and the credits. Okay,

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>So now top of ec won the whole gang. Benson, Stabler, Munch,

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and Finn are watching the security footage of the subway.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 1>While Munch is dropping this like obscure knowledge, He's like,

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, in London, in the underground. In London, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a system for identifying potential suicides and it's called Chromatica.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently the average person contemplating jumping in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the train will wait about ten minutes on the platform

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and CHROMATICA will spot that and set an alarm.

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<v Speaker 3>I googled this and you.

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Can't really find a reference to this past like nineteen

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine. So I don't know if Chromatica is still

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:43.879
<v Speaker 1>popping off in London, but if it is, let us know.

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So now they're focusing on the video of Jackie coming

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:48.880
<v Speaker 1>down the stairs. They spot a guy behind her who

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>seems to be following a bit too close, and then

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>as soon as the girl gets saved from jumping in

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 1>front of the train, this guy takes off, so sketchy

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>behavior all around. They blow up the logo on his

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 1>show and it's in one second. They're like, can you

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:02.719
<v Speaker 1>blow it up?

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>He goes right away, dah, and it's printed like it

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>was the quickest of the blow ups I've ever seene.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it says Mercury Bike Messenger Services. And the

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>kid is ideaed as Carl Sirett. He got fired last

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>month for spending too much time with his girlfriend. Plus

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 1>he has two arrests for assault. So now at the hospital,

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the doctor is telling Benson Distabler about all of Jackie's

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>like sexual assault injuries, and he hands them polaroids of

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Jackie with restraint marks on her body, so she was

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.919
<v Speaker 1>tied down, and he says Jackie was attacked multiple times

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.679
<v Speaker 1>and told him that she had not had sexual relations

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>before the attack. And so now her parents are in

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>with her and Sabler flashes his badge through the window

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and the dad comes out and the dad, you got

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>it is fucking Bosh, baby, I've been waiting for this moment.

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 1>It is Titus Welliver and you might not recognize him

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>as Bosh because he's got a full head of thick

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>black hair, not exactly what he looks like.

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 3>And if you're not into Bosh.

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 1>You might remember that this guy, this actor Titus Welliver,

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>actually comes back as evil bearded lawyer Rob Miller in

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>the episodes Blackout, Assumptions and Endgame in season twenty, so

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 1>he does come back into the SBU universe. He thanks

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Benson and Stabler for finding Jackie.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 3>They were worried.

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.919
<v Speaker 1>He says, Jackie doesn't have a boyfriend, and Stabler's like, okay, well,

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 1>we got to get DNA from all the male family

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>members and it's just procedure, and they even want it

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>from her twelve year old brother Gary, and he's like,

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>whatever you need, so he's cooperating. Jackie says she was

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>walking home from school when a guy grabbed her. She

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 1>had taken a shortcut through a parking lot. She heard

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>a car pull up behind her, and a guy pushed

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 1>her in. She didn't even get a look at him.

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 1>He said if she screamed, he'd kill her.

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 3>They drove for a bit.

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 1>He pulled her out. They walked down some steps. She

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>heard a door open. Then he tied her to the bed,

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>took off her clothes, and then he quote unquote did it.

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>She says she escaped after he was done, and after

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>he had left, and they show her a photo array

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and she immediately points out the guy that was following

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>her at the subway station, but she doesn't know if

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>he's the one who did it. She was blindfolded, so

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>they ask if she remembers anything else about this man,

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and guess what. She does remember that dick was pierced

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>with a ring and she says, they're like, how did

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you know that?

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 3>She's like, he made me feel it.

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>So now we've got the bike delivery dude in the

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>dark bars interrogation room and he does not give a fuck.

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 3>This guy.

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>And the actor's name is Billy Lush and he is

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>still working. He's on he's been on Black Donnelly's Low

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>wintersn and Bosh. So why did you run when this

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>girl almost jumped in front of a train?

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>He said. He's like, you guys had it under control.

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Like he's just got like douche voice, you know, And

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>he says, I never saw a jockie before, and then

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>munch reads allowed from his prior file like, oh never

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>saw this girl, never met the bitch. They're like, sounds

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>like a pattern, bro, and he's like, well, you better

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>learned to read because the charges were dropped, and it's like,

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>do you think that this man with transitions lenses does

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>not read? Munch reads and Carl also declines to give

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a DNA sample. He's like, no, so that none of

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>this looks good for old Carl. Craigan and Benson and

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Stabler are watching through the fish bowl and there is

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>not a match on the restraint pattern, but the Emmy

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>does remember a body being.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Pulled out of the river two years ago.

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>No head, no fingers, but Mark's consistent with Jackie's.

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 3>So they're like, cal.

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Warner, see if she can dig up the body. Okay, guys,

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Finn and Munch pass them and go. Carl has to

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>go to the bathroom. They've got Carl with him. In

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, we see Munch kind of peeking down at

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Carl's junk and while he's peeing, and Carl goes jealous

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and munches. I believe the technical term is a prince Albert,

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>which I did google really quickly and read it is

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the most common male genital piercings. And he says,

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.239
<v Speaker 1>ladies love the Prince. So then Finn cuffs him at

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the urinal right away, and it's like, first of all,

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>let's let him wash his hands first. And second of all,

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>if he wasn't under arrest, why did the cops have

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to walk him to the bathroom. Like they touch on

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>this later, I could see why they would take him

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom and like wait outside, but like, so

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>be there pissing right.

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Next to him. He's not under arrest.

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>If I went in to just talk to the cops

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and it was like, hey, I have to pee and

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>they were like, cool, we have to come with you

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and watch you do it, that would be weird, but

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>something that stuck out to me anyway. In the next scene,

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>we see our old pal, Gina Bernardo aka Ileana Douglas,

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>who we just talked about recently because she was the

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>attorney for Jeremy Brice in Juvenile And also I'd like

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 1>to point out that a friend of ours went on

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>a date with Jeremy Bryce right after we covered this episode.

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>She comes up to me and goes, I just want

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>on a date with this guy who used to be

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>on Nickelodeon but now does restaurants. I go, I know

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>exactly who you're talking about, and I I md beat

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>him and that was who it was. She said it

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 1>was a great guy Ileana Douglas. Gina Bernardo says, you

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>pulled my client out of bed, you made him, you

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 1>held me here for more than five hours.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 3>Uncuff him and let him go.

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>And Finn's like, he's under arrest, and Munch says, subway

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>cameras show the victim trying to take her own life

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>to get away from this guy, and Gina's like, that's

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>hardly proof of rape. Munch brings up that Jackie mentioned

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the piercing, and Gina says, so he's the only man

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>in New York City with us, Pierce Schlong, and you

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>know we can put that in the coffee table book.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 3>Of spu lines.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, you guys just happened to see his

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 1>privates when you took him to the bathroom after you

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>poured soda down his throat for five hours.

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Then she takes all.

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>The soda cans and it's like, you think you're gonna

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>get a free DNA sample and she's like, I want

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>to talk to the ADA. So if you're a fucking

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>douchebag nineteen year old, you want this woman to be

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>your lawyer. You know she has got your back. So

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>now Gina is on a very brisk walk and talk

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>with Craigan in cabot. They feel like they are jogging,

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and Daddy Craigs says that it is procedure to escort

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>suspects to the restroom, but I just feel like maybe

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>not pissing right next to them.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>She wants to know if inspecting their genitals is also procedure,

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, you guys bamboozled this boy into thinking

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he was in custody when you knew you didn't even

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 1>have probable cause to keep him in custody, which means

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>everything you obtained, including a glance at his junk, is inadmissible.

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Craigan tries, uh, why Watters, didn't you just give us

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the DNA and Gina's like fuck no. Seu in chambers

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>cabin is nervous because she's like, Gina's got a point.

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I hope you've got something else, and Craigan's like, how

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>about a dead body?

0:32:59.120 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>We cut too, and we talk about this a lot lately,

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>but these early episodes they really just show you whatever.

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>We cut to Melinda's house where there is simply a

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>headless body on her table and they're calling her Chelsea Doe,

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and I was wondering why they're calling her that instead

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>of Jane Doe, Like I remember the episode with Gloria

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Rubin where they call the little girl Precious Dough, and

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that kind of made me feel like, oh, because they

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>want it to be known that it's a child, but

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 1>this is Chelsea Doe, a woman.

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 3>I just don't know why it's Chelsea do.

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>They don't really explain it, and I tried to google

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>it and I didn't really find anything.

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 3>So if anyone knows.

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Melinda says, this one pissed her off because the perp

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>went to such lengths to make sure that this that

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the victim couldn't be ideed. She compares the marktings and

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 1>she says, yeah, these are similar, but not the same.

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Chelsea does are from rope burns, whereas jackies look like

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they were done from like furniture straps, like straps that

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you would use to like, you know, in a moving

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you'd see in a moving truck or whatever.

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Very specific.

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.479
<v Speaker 1>Melinda doesn't know if Chelsea was sexually assaulted because she'd

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>been in the water for two weeks, so that would

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>have washed away any evidence. She was in her late

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>twenties fingers and head were cut off with some kind

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of cleaver, but she was strangled first. She also has

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.399
<v Speaker 1>news on the Jackie front. She's like, it turns out

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>there were two rapists because she got two DNA samples

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and one of them has traces of mava statin in it,

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>which is a medication for high cholesterol.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's probably in my future because I have high cholesterol.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>So maybe Carl had an older partner, they think, because like,

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you didn't match the dad, the semen didn't match the dad.

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 3>So they go back to talk to Jackie.

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>At the Landrix's house, we meet Jackie's mom, Angie, who

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>was played by Cynthia Edinger, and you might also remember

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>her as the mom who in the episode we did

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 1>called Shaken shook her baby because she wanted to just

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>have a nice date with a mediocre man and her

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>daughter would stop crying. So she's the mom from that.

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>She had brown hair. Here she has blonde. The mom

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>is Angie runs a daycare in her home and when

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the cops get there, they are baking cookies and she's like,

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>these are Sally and Jason, two of my kids.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, I kept them home today.

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>She's talking to the cops when Jackie shows up in

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the doorway, they obviously want to talk to Jackie alone,

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>so in that Jackie's room lives, like, hey, so it

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 1>looks like there were two men. Did you hear two voices?

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And Jackie's kind of like, no, I didn't like whatever.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 1>All I heard was don't like, don't scream. Then their

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 1>conversation kind of trails off as Stabler catches a quick

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>movement in the hallway and he stoops away while Jackie

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>continues to chat with Olivia and he finds little Sally

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>and he introduces himself, and this girl immediately snuggles up

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to Stabler like she's on his lap really quickly and

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:35.959
<v Speaker 1>is like.

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Has Jackie been bad? Can I have your pen?

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Like she's, you know, a little precocious Stabler reads the

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>name on two pill bobbles.

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I really love a chatty, precocious kid who's gonna give

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 2>them evidence. Yes, Like they're gonna hug Stabler's leg and

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 2>give them something and be like my sister said this, Yeah,

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I just love these little ghost kids that help the investigation.

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Truly, so many ghost kids on this series and get

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 3>scared of the authorities.

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Nothing just ready ready, to help and psychologically traumatized. Yeah,

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 2>so little Sally is like, oh, so while Stabler's, you know,

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>chatting away with Sally, he happens to pick up two

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.240
<v Speaker 2>pill bottles that are just sitting willy nilly, and Stabler

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>asks Sally who's James Randall and she goes, he lives

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>with us, and Stabler's like, is he old like me?

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 1>And Sally goes worse and then takes off. And I

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 1>love a burn too. These kids do know how to give,

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>like a very honest burn. So when Stabler goes back

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:37.959
<v Speaker 1>into Jackie's room, he asks about James Randall and she's like, yeah,

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 1>he's lived down the hall for a couple of months,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 1>but he's never bothered me. And Jackie's like getting annoyed.

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:43.720
<v Speaker 1>She's like, why are you asking me all these questions?

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>And then she storms off. So Stabler tosses the pill

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>bottle to Benson and goes, guess who takes Miva Staton

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>for high cholesterol? This guy James Randall? Right, so I

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>guess they were in his room. Why is his room

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>not locked?

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know? Anyway.

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Top of AAC two, we've got this Randal guy in

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>interrogation and he goes, just because I have high cholesterol

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I raped anybody. And it's like, I don't

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>think anybody's suggesting.

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 3>That, sir.

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we should put that on a T shirt.

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>As a person with a genetically high cholesterol, I would

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>wear it.

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Finn and Munch are questioning him, and he says, he

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 1>does say Jackie's kind of hot, but schoolgirls aren't my thing.

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 1>All right, bro, you could have just said nothing. Say

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>less is what we're saying here, like you don't need

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>to comment on that the hotness of a fifteen year

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>old child. Munch wants to know why a hot shot

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 1>at exec is slumming at living with a family in

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a house that is also a daycare, and honestly, same question.

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, I had some bad breaks, So what

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I need the specifics? What are the bad breaks? You're divorced,

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>you lost all your money gambling? What are the bad breaks?

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>They show in the picture of Chelsea Doe's body, and

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that freaks him right out. It is like a horrible photo,

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>like it's you know, its body's been dead for two

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 1>and a half years, and it's like it was in

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the water. It's not a great photo and that freaks

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 1>him out and he's like, I will into a cup yesterday,

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 1>like give it to me now, like show me up.

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>He's like, just show me a pretty woman or something

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>like that. So now we're all at the corkboard and

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Finn is like, yeah, guilty. Guys don't usually offer up

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>their DNA, so this guy's either dumb or innocent.

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Olivia announces to.

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>The group that Jackie has cervical dysplasia, and then she goes, so,

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>our girl with no boyfriends has had a lot of them,

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>And I just want to say, I googled cervical displasia

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's caused by HPV, which is sexually transmitted. But

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>you can just have sex a couple times with the

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>same person and get it. So it's like Olivia jumped

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>right to classic slutshaming, which is.

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Very Also what's crazy is you know there's no test

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 2>for men to see if they have HPV, and it's

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>because it doesn't really affect them and they could just

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.879
<v Speaker 2>give it to women and causes them cancer, but they

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>won't create a test for the guys.

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 3>I know, I don't know why we can't test for it.

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's because there's probably they just don't care enough.

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Because it's also like, why isn't male birth control a

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.240
<v Speaker 2>thing because there's just too many side effects and men don't.

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Do Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I got a joke

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's wild, but I had I think I

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 1>had cervical displaysia and I had one boyfriend like at

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the time, you know, like I've had that, So it's like,

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>that's not it just was a weird thing to be like,

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>turns out she's a slut. But I get it's a

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:19.919
<v Speaker 1>TV show.

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 3>We need to move on.

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.959
<v Speaker 2>Well, especially for Benson. We could have had someone else

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 2>say it right exactly.

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 1>But what we're getting out of this is Jackie's been

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>lying about her sexual history. She was not a virgin

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>before this attack, and she you know, you know, there's

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>something else going on here. Stabler's like, I bet she

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't want her dad to find out. And it turns

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 1>out also the judge denied the order for Carl's DNA

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>based on police misconduct.

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 3>Which, like, we can't say what we will about this show.

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It is copaganda in a lot of ways, but they

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>do point out stuff like this, like they don't get

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>what they want because they mishandled the situation, you know

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like, and this is season four, like

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.240
<v Speaker 1>so they're not completely like the cops can do no wrong,

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Like Finn and Munch fucked this up, and now they

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have this guy's DNA because they apparently coerced him

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 1>into self incrimination by bringing him into the bathroom cab.

0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 3>It's like, this is your guy's fault.

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And Craigan tells Finn and Munch to try to connect

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Carl the Penis piercer and Randall the broke executive, and

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>then he sends Benson is able to figure out whose

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Jackie's boyfriends are, you know, the several several boyfriends at

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the school. They're talking to miss Bowen, and she is

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 1>a teacher that you want, right She does not want

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.240
<v Speaker 1>to give up her student's personal business to the cops.

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 1>But Olivia's like, hey, come on, girl, we're on the

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.479
<v Speaker 1>same side here, and she says, well, Jackie is really bright.

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 1>She's a gifted writer. She's got a lot of potential.

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>But other students told me that she was sleeping around,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>so okay, maybe she was. And she asked her and

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Jackie said she was dating a senior, but that she'd stop.

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 1>And it started last year when she was a freshman.

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 1>She was fourteen and the dude was eighteen, which, obviously,

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the detective point out is statutory, and this I always

0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 1>say it like caatchatory, like chicken statutory, But they point

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>out that it's statutory, and the teacher is like, this

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 1>shit is happening constantly, like I can't.

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is hard at high school.

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 1>So I knew freshmen that dated juniors and seniors, you know,

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>like or sophomores that dated seniors after they graduated and

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff too, like, so like she's like, it was consensual.

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I stopped when I when uh, and it stopped when

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I found out. So she's like, I didn't want to

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>take it to the cops over this, but she suggested

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 1>they talked to the parents, but Jackie begged her not

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 1>to tell them, said they'd kill her. Second time hearing

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that flag it for follow up and the teacher said,

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I told the guy to knock it off or I'd

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>cut his balls off. So I love this teacher. I

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>feel like she's writing for her girls students and good

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>for her. And then she tells them the guy's name

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>dot dot dot, Carl Surrett it is the penis piercing guy.

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 1>So I'm really confused because I'm like, why would you

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 1>point out your ex boyfriend on this lineup? But now

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:42.439
<v Speaker 1>we're talking to Jackie and her dad, who are sitting

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortably close to one another on the couch. They confront

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Jackie about knowing this guy, dating him, having sex with him,

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.439
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, it stopped a month ago. I broke

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>up with him after my teacher talked to me. And

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>they're like, book girl, you picked him out of a

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:57.760
<v Speaker 1>photo array and she's like, yeah, I just wanted someone

0:41:57.800 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>to blame. And then it's like, well, why was he

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>following you? He was following her because he saw her

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 1>outside the station and he hangs out outside the deli there.

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>This is all very coincidental. When you find out what

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>happens later, you're like, why why was any of this happening?

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 3>It's a television show anyway.

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>They're like, Jackie, you gotta tell us everything, and she's like,

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I am.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 3>You just won't believe me.

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Can I go now? And she like asked her dad

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 1>if she can leave. So now they're just talking to

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Bosh and he's like, so, Carl's in the clear. What

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>about Randal and lives like, well, we questioned him, but

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 1>without Jackie's ID, we really can't hold him. Also, he

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>did offer up his DNA, so you know, it's like

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 1>they're not doing anything with him. And Stabler's like, I

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 1>got a big question. Why would you rent a room

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>to a forty year old man right next to your

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>teen daughter? And he's like, because I need my head examined.

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Like he's obviously knows how dumb that is. He's like,

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I needed the money, and usually I only rent to

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>women and students. But Randal seemed okay. What about him

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>seems okay? He immediately said your daughter was hot. Now, Angie.

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 1>The mom comes home with a child and suddenly the

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 1>combo is over. The dad takes off with the kid

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 1>to another room, and the mom wants to know what's up.

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Sally is back and pulls Stabler into the hallway. She's like,

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I got you a present. She is very ghosty here,

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 1>she's a very ghost child.

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Here.

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.280
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I got you a president and it hams

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>him this bracelet and she goes, don't tell. So this

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit a little little creepy. What's this

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>bracelet all about? So now, Huang and Sabler are walking

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and talking. He wants to know what's up with Sally.

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>She's unusually friendly. She asks strangers for presents, she gives

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>them presents. She's just a little bit too affectionate. And

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Huang is like, yeah, sometimes that's a sign of abuse.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler's like, yeah, but I've seen abusive families, and

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 1>these parents really seem to love the kids, and the

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 1>kids seem happy. And it's like you are nsvu didtech

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>dev Like what about things are not always what they

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>seem on the surface, do you not get Munch and

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Vinn interrupt and they're like, the emmy got a match

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:45.719
<v Speaker 1>on one of the DNA samples from Jackie. It's a

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 1>guy named Charles Eno who did time for robbery and assault,

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and he lives a block from the Landris Plus. Two

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 1>years ago, he was a butcher in the Meatpacking District

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 1>ret row. In interrogation, Charles Eno is telling Munch and

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Finn that he was home in till eleven thirty and

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>then he went to the club where he works security.

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 1>He says he didn't rape anyone, and that Munch says, well,

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.439
<v Speaker 1>your sperm tells a different story. He's like, I didn't

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>tell anyone up. And then they throw the picture of

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Chelsea Doe in front of him too, and he does

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 1>not like that.

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.399
<v Speaker 3>He's like, that's sick. Who do you guys think I am?

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Then he admits I had sex with Angie Landrix, but

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I never touched the girl huge dundune that we did

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 1>not see coming. He says, why would I mess with

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 1>jail bait when I can get it from her?

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Mom's a great question.

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Cragan is on the other side of the glass with Stabler.

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>If we already have his DNA in the girl and

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 1>he puts himself in the apartment, why would he be

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>holding out and telling this wild story?

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Stabler thinks maybe he's doing both of them and he

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:43.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to cop to the statutory and then knock knock,

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Benson comes in. The other DNA sample result came back

0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's not Carl Surrett. It is James Randall, the

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 1>ad executive border, So what.

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 3>Is going on?

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Stabler goes like the jackass who gave up his DNA, Like,

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>what's going on? Why would this guy give his DNA

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>if he did this? Now we've got said jackass back

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>in interrogation and he still swears he did nothing to Jackie.

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>They show him a picture of Charles Eno and he goes, yeah,

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I know that guy from the club I go to,

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and they want to know if this is some kind

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of joint project between him and Charles, but he's like

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>totally clueless. He's like, what are you talking about? He

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 1>has no idea how his sperm got into this child.

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 1>And then they're like, let me guess you just had

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>sex with the mom and he goes, yeah, that's right,

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, what the.

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Fucking mom is fucking this guy too? What is happening?

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>And lives like that's ballsy to do it under the

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>husband's nose, and Randall goes, well, he paid me to

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 1>do it.

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Done done.

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.920
<v Speaker 1>What's going on here? Apparently mister Landrix likes to watch.

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>So now the gang at the top of AC three

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>is gathered around the bulletin board and they are all confused.

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Huang swoops in and says, I think the dad is

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 1>a sexually obsessive narcissist, and Craigan goes, you're telling me

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 1>this guy gets his kicks from prostituting his wife and

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 1>daughters and it is straight out of the Milaney special

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 1>where he's like, you tell me, this guy gets off

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 1>a little girls with pigtails, so I love that moment.

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Huang explains that for this guy, his family is his

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.640
<v Speaker 1>own little cult. The women are just trying to make

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 1>him happy, which is not different from the story the

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 1>real true crime story we talked about in last week's

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>episode Honor, Like this is like a little cult family

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and Sally may not be actually abused, but Huang wouldn't

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>be surprised if she's aware of it, Like she knows

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. She knows like daddy's the boss. We

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.240
<v Speaker 1>all do whatever we have to do to make Daddy happy.

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:26.720
<v Speaker 3>So that way, when.

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Somebody like Stabler comes into the house, it's like, oh,

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>let's do that with this man too, And he explains

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, the kids don't say anything because he's their

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>dad and they love him. Huang says it's called child's

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse accommodation syndrome, and I did look this up,

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and the accommodation syndrome has five stages. One is secrecy,

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the nexus helplessness, The next is entrapman and accommodation. The

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.240
<v Speaker 1>next is delayed and unconvincing. Disclosure of the abuse, and finally,

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>a reaction of the complaint in the face of the

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 1>usual adult disbelief and blame of the victim. So that's

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>from the Office of Justice Programs where I found those

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>five stages. And I feel as though we've seen this

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of other episodes, and this is the

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 1>first time i've you know, we've I think, zeroed in

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 1>on this actual diagnosis. So basically, Jackie knows that if

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>she talks, she breaks up the family. And they're like,

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>but why is he doing this? And Huong's like, my

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>guess is he's impotent, possibly infertile, and this family structure

0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 1>is the only place where he has power. Benson is like,

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and then Angie's running a daycare there. We got to

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>get those kids out of there. And Craigan also thinks, maybe, like,

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:34.919
<v Speaker 1>let's bring Angie in. If she sees her whole world

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.919
<v Speaker 1>falling apart, maybe she'll spill the tea. So now they're

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>at the Landricks home removing the kids. Child Services is there.

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Angie's screaming like, no, I have to call their parents.

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Where's my husband?

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 3>And then she goes to Jackie, what have you done?

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And Jackie softly says, I'm sorry and like it's it's

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 1>so fucked. And then two little boys get brought out

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and there's no record of their parents in the home.

0:47:56.360 --> 0:48:00.440
<v Speaker 1>So what does the mom say? Nothing I can repeat,

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:03.919
<v Speaker 1>the social worker says. So Stabler taps his a little pal,

0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Sally our ghost child, to identify the boys, and she's like,

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that's Philip and that's Antoine. And he's like, who's their mom?

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>And Sally goes, mom is and Stabler's like, no, who's

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>their real mom? And she said, my mom is stupid.

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>They're my brothers. And Benson's face is shocked and ominous

0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 1>keyboard music is playing. So we're in interrogation, but we're

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>not in cement room bars. I don't know if we're

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 1>in wood room blinds, but it's like nicer. There's framed

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.399
<v Speaker 1>pictures on the walls, and we're with Angie and they're

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 1>telling her that they check the birth records and Philip

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 1>and Antoine are her kids, and she says, I never

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>said they weren't.

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.399
<v Speaker 3>Who are their dads? They asked? She goes, I don't know.

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.959
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, how does the big family man feel about

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 1>all this? And she says he wanted me to have

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>these kids. Sally was his last biological child. He can't

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 1>have anymore, so he just pulls men off the streets

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and lets them play in seminators. Stabler asks. She says,

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Tom wanted more kids and I wanted to keep him happy.

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 1>And Benson's like, how long are you going to keep

0:48:57.560 --> 0:48:59.520
<v Speaker 1>this up? And She's like, I can't give him any

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>more kids. Phillip's birth went wrong and I had to

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 1>have a hysterectomy, and I'm like, girl, you had five kids.

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd say Phillip's birth went just right. You can be

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>done now. So they ask her, so what Jackie's the

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.399
<v Speaker 1>next best thing, and she tries to pin it on

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Randall and eno She's like, no, they that was those

0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 1>two guys, and Stablor goes, either you let them rape

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 1>your daughter or your husband took their semen out of

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you and did it himself.

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:21.840
<v Speaker 3>And she goes, it's wild.

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 1>He screams in she goes, that's disgusting, and Stabler goes,

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you're disgusting. You are It's a top ten Maloney moment,

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I want to talk to Tom.

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:33.120
<v Speaker 3>We would never hurt our children, you know.

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.680
<v Speaker 1>She's basically just like breaking down. She cannot really operate

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.880
<v Speaker 1>outside the existence of her husband. Benson and Stabler are

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 1>on their way to talk to Jackie when Craigan fills

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.360
<v Speaker 1>them in that Jackie's been moved to a treatment center

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 1>after some kind of you know, mental breakdowns. So in

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>walks Bosh aka Tom Landrix, demanding to know where.

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 3>His kids are.

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>He calls Stabler bastard and is like, I trusted you,

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler go was then your kids trusted you and

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>they have this like harmless little.

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Slap fight before they get pulled apart by other people.

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.400
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at the treatment center and Huang and

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Benson are watching Jackie play with dolls in one of

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>these like kid playrooms through an observation window, and Huang goes,

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>it's regression in service of the ego. When the president

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.800
<v Speaker 1>gets too frightening, people try to escape to a safer time.

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>So he says, children are very fragile and resilient, which is,

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you know the episode's name, So you can drink unless

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 1>you're in the car right now or at work, or

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 1>you know somewhere where you can't drink. She could go

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 1>either way, he says, like she could either break or

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.720
<v Speaker 1>bounce back from this. Stabler goes, she's playing with dolls.

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 1>How do we know she's not faking it? And he goes,

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't until you talk to her. Stabler's like me,

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>no way, you're the shrink. But Huang's like, no, you're

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the father figure. That's what she's looking for. Who's to

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 1>say Huang doesn't have kids, but whatever, we know Stabler

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:52.360
<v Speaker 1>has the daddy vibe. So Stabler goes in. Jackie introduces

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 1>him to her doll, Cindy. Then she introduces Cindy's boyfriend Bear,

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:58.879
<v Speaker 1>and he likes Cindy because Cindy knows what Bear wants,

0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:02.600
<v Speaker 1>and the combo gets creepy, being sexual extremely quickly. Jackie's like,

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I know what to do. I've watched and then Stabler

0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:08.040
<v Speaker 1>asks who have you watched? And Jackie goes, my mom

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and then gets upset and like walks away from Stabler,

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and then Stabler, the antithesis of a child psychologist, immediately

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>goads Jackie into a meltdown where he yells at her

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>about how her dad doesn't love her and is using her,

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and that he tells her you're safe, like, I want

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to hear what you have to talk to me, and

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 1>she falls into his arms and starts telling all.

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.480
<v Speaker 3>She says, her dad.

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Told her that her mom couldn't have a baby and

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 1>that made him sad. He asked her to help him,

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted her to have a baby. She didn't

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.360
<v Speaker 1>want to, but she said, but he said she was

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:38.920
<v Speaker 1>old enough and that she had to do it for

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the family. He took her to the bedroom, took off

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:42.919
<v Speaker 1>her clothes, told her to lie down on the bed.

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Then I saw he had a syringe.

0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 3>She said.

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:47.799
<v Speaker 1>I tried to get away, but he caught me, tied

0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.359
<v Speaker 1>me down. Then I saw my mom. I begged her

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:53.759
<v Speaker 1>to stop him, but she wouldn't. He put I mean

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>a second episode in a row where a mom is

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>just like letting the dad like do something that you

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>know she's not but she could be helping to stop.

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>He pushes the syringe into her and says, good girl,

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:07.319
<v Speaker 1>and then Stabler gives Jackie a hug, and we've got

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the whole story now.

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:09.800
<v Speaker 3>So top of act.

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Four, we've got friend of the Pod Jill Marie Lawrence

0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 1>aka Cleo Conrad in a prison cell with her client

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Tom Landrix, and she said, look, he's ready to plead guilty.

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:22.239
<v Speaker 1>To promoting prostitution, and Cabot's like, lady a misdemeanor. He

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 1>tied down his own daughter and tried to inseminate her.

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.280
<v Speaker 1>And then it turns out that Angie denies that happen,

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.839
<v Speaker 1>forensics prove that Tom's not the one that raped her,

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and the apartment search turned up nothing. This is all

0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>a figment of a disturbed child's imagination.

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Cleo says.

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Cabot's like, the forensics will actually confirm Jackie's story, and

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>then Cleo goes low and says, no one will buy

0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Jackie's crazy story now that she's been transferred to a

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>psych facility, and Cabot's like, oh, bitch, you want to

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 1>go low. Once the jury hears he pays strangers to

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:52.359
<v Speaker 1>fuck his wife, I think they'll get on board with.

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 3>The other stuff.

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's a really great little tit for tat there.

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:58.760
<v Speaker 1>And then Cleo goes, if you put Jackie on the stand,

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll be forced to bring up her muscuity, her false

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.919
<v Speaker 1>rape accusations, and her lies. And she tells Alex take

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the deal, and then Tom Landrix goes, I love my daughter.

0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I would never heard her, and Cabbot goes shut up.

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll see you in court. So we cut to court

0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:14.840
<v Speaker 1>where Cabot is questioning Jackie about the bruises on her

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:16.520
<v Speaker 1>body the night she was attacked and ended up in

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:19.839
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. She says straps cause them when asked where

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>she was tied up.

0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:22.400
<v Speaker 3>She makes eye.

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Contact with her dad and then Cabot tries to get

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 1>in between them, but it kind of feels like it's

0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:30.720
<v Speaker 1>too late. She's already fallen under her dad's spell. She's like, Jackie,

0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.799
<v Speaker 1>who did this? And she's like, I don't know, and

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 1>she pretty much freezes up at all of Cabot's questions.

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Cabot rolls out the record of her grand jury testimony

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>where Jackie told the whole story about her dad, and

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Cabot starts reading her quotes, but Jackie says, I said

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:45.880
<v Speaker 1>what you wanted me to say. So she's fully renagging

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 1>on her whole story. She's back to the eye was blindfold.

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 2>On the story me too, because so stressful and perjury.

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because our ada's really can't be prepared for something

0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:58.319
<v Speaker 1>like that, Like they've already gone over testimony with someone

0:53:58.320 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 1>and then they fully won eighty on them.

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.440
<v Speaker 3>So she's like, I saw nothing. I was blindfolded.

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I told you I was scared, and that policeman talking

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:09.439
<v Speaker 1>about Stabler told me to say my dad did bad

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 1>things to me. But my dad wouldn't do that. I

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 1>just know he wouldn't. And so who did them? She says,

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And Cleo gets to cross examine and

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 1>she's like, one question, did your mom and dad ever

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>hurt you?

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 3>Jackie says never. Ugh, it's tough. It's tough.

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>The layers of trauma here are tough to peel back.

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>So back at the precinct, there's a lot of info

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:31.000
<v Speaker 1>flying around. Oh I heard Tom Landrix is getting his

0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 1>family back. Plus Jackie's pregnant. She wants to keep the baby.

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Craigan's like, what happened in the morning after pill isn't

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that standard. By the time they got to the hospital,

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the parents were already there, so they must have talked

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:40.279
<v Speaker 1>her out of taking it.

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 3>Of course, because this is their big plan. I guess.

0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't get.

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Which they never get to is after this happened, they

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:52.840
<v Speaker 1>just let her, kind of traumatized, walk out of the

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>house to the subway.

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know.

0:54:57.280 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 1>So they're joking about how these little kids Philip and

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Antoine are about to be uncles when they're only two

0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and four, and that kind of gives Finn a little

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.280
<v Speaker 1>like light bulb moment where he's like, huh, if Angie

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 1>got her hysterectomy two years ago, why doe he waits

0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 1>so long to turn Jackie into the baby farm? And

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:15.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't know, maybe because he thought fifteen

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 1>was better than thirteen, but whatever, and they're like, maybe

0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>he's tried this before. Maybe he tried this with Chelsea Doe.

0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 1>The restraint patterns are similar. If we can't get him

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:27.799
<v Speaker 1>for rape, let's get him for murder. Olivia remembers that

0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:30.759
<v Speaker 1>before they let Randall rent a room, Landrix said he

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 1>usually rented rooms to the room to women. What if

0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Chelsea Doe was one of these renters. Craigan sends the

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 1>gang out to do some digging, and he wants to

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 1>introduce Huang to Chelsea Doe. So back at Melinda's house,

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Huang's getting the low down. Strangulation, he says, implies a

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.560
<v Speaker 1>crime of rage. The fingers being cut off is strange

0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:50.480
<v Speaker 1>because a hand is much easier to just take off

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:53.440
<v Speaker 1>at the wrist. Oh, I'm throwing up. He kept the

0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 1>fingers for souvenirs, he says, and he references Fred West

0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 1>who collected bones, and it increases the risk of discovery,

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.880
<v Speaker 1>but it also increases the risk the feeling of power.

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've seen a million serial killer documentaries where

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>they take souvenirs, and we've seen a million episodes of

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.759
<v Speaker 1>SVU where they take souvenirs because like it makes them

0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:14.760
<v Speaker 1>feel like they still have a piece of the victim

0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:17.479
<v Speaker 1>with them and that they're more powerful. So could Tom

0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 1>have killed her?

0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 3>He says.

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.080
<v Speaker 1>He enjoys violating the rights of other people, which is

0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the mark of an anti social personality, but he also

0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 1>has schizotypal features which provoke him to act out his fantasies.

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 1>He points out that the restraints show that he keeps

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>their arms and legs free so that the victim will fight,

0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:37.680
<v Speaker 1>which makes his dominance more satisfying. So Huang's like, Yeah,

0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I think this guy could kill and I think he could.

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Grow to enjoy it.

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Yikes, this is getting more twisted by the second. So

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:48.480
<v Speaker 1>at the precinct, Olivia has pretty easily discovered that two

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and a half years ago, a twenty eight year old

0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:54.320
<v Speaker 1>named Karen Stenslin gave the landrix to address at the DMV,

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and there's been no movement on her Social Security number

0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 1>since Chelsea Doe's body was found. Only living relative this

0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.360
<v Speaker 1>one has is a grandma living in Teaneck, New Jersey.

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 1>So now we're talking to a classic guess for you.

0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Grandma Gullible doesn't know what's going on. She's like, I

0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:10.360
<v Speaker 1>haven't spoken to.

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Karen in a long time. She moved to Europe.

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I know phones are expensive, but I wish she'd call.

0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And she talks about this postcard that she got is

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the last time she heard from her, and the postcards

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>sitting right there. Sabler notices that it's postmark Manhattan, so

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>it hardly came from Europe. And the Grandma's like, no,

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I found out. She's like, I found out about the

0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Europe thing from the nice man that Karen nannied for.

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 1>And Sabler picks up a photo of Karen and goes,

0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.440
<v Speaker 1>is this Karen? And what's this bracelet that she's wearing?

0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And she goes it was her mother's she died when

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Karen was very young. She always wears it. So ghost

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Baby did bring us the bracelet evidence, and we are

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 1>starting to get a picture of what's going on here.

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Cut to Stabler at the playground asking Sally about the bracelet.

0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Jackie's just chilling on a bench behind her, and it's like,

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 1>who was watching these emotionally disturbed children. They're just like, Jackie,

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>take your other emotionally disturbed siblings to the playground.

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 4>End.

0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:08.040
<v Speaker 1>If the cops show up, I guess let them talk

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to them. They're like, Sally, what remember that bracelet. She's like, yeah,

0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I want it back, and they're like, well, who gave

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:14.280
<v Speaker 1>it to you? And she says, nobody. I took it

0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 1>from Jackie's drawer. So then Jackie walks up and she's

0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 1>very down to talk to the cops, who she did

0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 1>not trust at the trial, and she tells them, no,

0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:26.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not mine, it's Karen's. But she went away, and

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 1>then she says, I found the bracelet in Karen's room

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>under the bed, which is Randall's bedroom. So now we're

0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 1>at their house and there's a guy, there's a whole

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 1>crew there digging up one of the rooms of the house,

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and the guy goes, I had to use ground probing

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:41.320
<v Speaker 1>radar to locate the void and.

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Dig through two feet of solid concrete.

0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 1>But after they get started, they just let detectives dig

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>through it themselves.

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 3>Stablers on his hands and knees with his big.

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Ass in the air, just removing chunks of debris from

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.200
<v Speaker 1>this place. It's like, I feel like there's a team

0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:57.400
<v Speaker 1>that has to do this, more like in an archaeological

0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 1>dig style. But whatever, we had to get Sablers butt

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 1>and hands into the situation.

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very stucky vibes, honestly, just getting in there,

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 2>no rhyme or reason.

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, So Sabler finds a skull wrapped in a flannel

0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 1>shirt very nineties, and Olivia finds the missing fingers, like

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>just loosely strewn about as well, So now we feel

0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>like we've kind of closed this. In interrogation with Tom

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and Cleo again, they give him the four one one

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 1>about finding Karen's head and fingers and he's like, no way,

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Karen's in London, and he says I would never hurt

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Karen and then accuses Stabler of setting him up and

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:36.320
<v Speaker 1>planting this stuff. And Stabler goes under two feet of

0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>concrete and admittedly Tom Landrix looks like he's got got

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 1>He's like, uh.

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's I guess that would be a lot for

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:43.960
<v Speaker 3>you to do.

0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Olivia is like, we know it's Karen. We checked her

0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.640
<v Speaker 1>mitochondrial DNA against her grandmother, So bitch, you thought you

0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 1>could just chop off her head and chop off her

0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:55.800
<v Speaker 1>fucking hands. They figure out other ways to identify people.

0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, I've had it.

0:59:57.960 --> 0:59:59.560
<v Speaker 3>With this guy. Next time I see you're gonna have

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:00.400
<v Speaker 3>a needle in arm.

1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Keep denying it, and he walks out, and Olivia's like, Okay,

1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:05.760
<v Speaker 1>what happened Tom? Because you know, maybe Tom will talk

1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to like a woman more because he's this narcissistic, crazy person,

1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:13.720
<v Speaker 1>and maybe Stabler threat threatens him. So he's like, she

1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.200
<v Speaker 1>tried to destroy us. She said she'd have a baby,

1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and then she backed out, said she'd tell have our

1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.600
<v Speaker 1>kids taken away. And his lawyer's like, shut the fuck up,

1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:22.760
<v Speaker 1>but he just can't. He's like, I had to protect

1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:25.960
<v Speaker 1>my family. If there are no children, the family dies.

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.040
<v Speaker 1>But there are five children, sir, like there are already

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:29.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of children.

1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:37.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like the John Stamos episode, Yeah, productive abuse, but worse, yes, way.

1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Worse, because that's a guy that's just like, as spread

1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:43.560
<v Speaker 1>my kids around Manhattan. This guy's like, make my children

1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:47.200
<v Speaker 1>have them, Like, oh, he is not good, and he says,

1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:49.240
<v Speaker 1>they're like, what about Jackie. She tried to run away.

1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Were you gonna kill her too? He says, I'd never

1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.160
<v Speaker 1>hurt Jackie. Well you kind of did, bro, She's got

1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.160
<v Speaker 1>a baby inside of her that you put there, And

1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:57.920
<v Speaker 1>he looks like a little bit happy to hear that.

1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 1>He says, Jackie loves me, she knows I her, She'll

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.439
<v Speaker 1>do what's best for the family. So final scene, we're

1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 1>at the playground again. Jackie's watching her siblings again when

1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Stabler shows up and he's like, how you doing, and

1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:14.520
<v Speaker 1>she says, okay, I've been following my dad's trial. She's like,

1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it's weird. It's like watching someone I don't know and

1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it's my dad. And she's like, and he did all

1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:22.640
<v Speaker 1>these horrible things, but it's my dad. And she tells

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<v Speaker 1>Stabler I'm not going to keep the baby, and even

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<v Speaker 1>his Catholic ass is like, thank God, Like even he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you've never seen Stabler like relieved about an abortion before, really,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is here, and she says the baby is

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<v Speaker 1>what my dad would have wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm done with that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So she walks off and that's dick wolf baby twist turns.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like such a classic.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of it's just weird that like, at the same

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<v Speaker 1>moment as that happened, she passed the deli where her

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<v Speaker 1>ex boyfriend with a penis piercing happened to be hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out and he followed her down there. That's just like

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<v Speaker 1>the only part of it that's a little bit like TV.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess we had to have like a Red Herring.

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<v Speaker 1>We had to have a person that was like we

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<v Speaker 1>thought was the bad guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Right absolutely, and yeah, get ready for the crimes. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So there is a case that Kara is very

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<v Speaker 2>excited to hear, and they're known as Britain's worst serial killers,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will get to that, but I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to cover the semen of it all. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>a different case, and that's the case of Shenna Grimm.

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<v Speaker 2>And so John Goff is an Ohio man and he

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<v Speaker 2>forced his stepdaughter Shenna to be inseminated with his sperm

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<v Speaker 2>when she was sixteen because the mother could.

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<v Speaker 3>No longer conceive.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, straight up, like you know, we we know

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<v Speaker 2>Neil Bear read this and.

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<v Speaker 3>Some local paper and he got his hands on it,

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<v Speaker 3>like get me my laptop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Goff and his wife in December nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>eight asked Grim to be injected with his seamen and

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<v Speaker 2>so Narda. The mom she met Golf when Shana was

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<v Speaker 2>four years old. And you know he has all the

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<v Speaker 2>like trappings of no good for us, for us, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>ex marine volunteer, auxiliary cop. He had seven guns and

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<v Speaker 2>a street evangelis evangelist evangelist evangelist, street evangelist.

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<v Speaker 3>So those are not the four you want to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are great preachers. Street preachers are like always killers.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I wish I said preacher instead of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say evangelist. But the auxiliary cop of it

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<v Speaker 2>all is probably my biggest in the seven gon whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So she did agree to do this, but it's because

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<v Speaker 2>he threatened her with a gun. He put a gun

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<v Speaker 2>to her fucking head and said he would hurt her

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<v Speaker 2>mother if she did not comply.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's not agreeing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was a rape to fulfill his desire

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<v Speaker 2>to procreate. According to Grim, the mom started charting her

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<v Speaker 2>fertility cycle when she was ovulating, John would ejaculate into

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<v Speaker 2>a cup then put it into one of Narda's syringes.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she had MS, so she would inject medication into herself.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then Shenna became pregnant at sixteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>She gave birth to a boy in nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually she did place them into foster care in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one. She said she could not care

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<v Speaker 2>for him. It was too hard. She had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of PTSD and a lot of trauma and like.

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<v Speaker 1>But was the point of it not for the parents?

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<v Speaker 1>Did the guy who did this not want to have

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<v Speaker 1>the baby or he just wanted to like spread his

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<v Speaker 1>seed more?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she had a fiance. I'll get into that. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into that. Your brain is going to the right

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<v Speaker 2>place for an amateur detective. We are, you're doing good.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then at first nobody believed her. They all

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was too creepy and sadistic to fathom. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, have you been living under a rock for

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<v Speaker 2>all of humanity? Like, okay, even her boyfriend. So then

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<v Speaker 2>he became a fiance. I don't know what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>her post like this case, And I honestly didn't dig

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<v Speaker 2>that hard because she just deserves her life. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of was like, girl, I hope you married this

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<v Speaker 2>guy and he treats you well and you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>doing well and have all the support you need. But

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<v Speaker 2>so this boyfriend at the time, she you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what was going on, and then he when

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<v Speaker 2>she told him, he was like, this story is crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>like I can't I don't get this. But then he

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<v Speaker 2>went over to their house for dinner and the dad

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<v Speaker 2>admitted it like it was super normal, like he talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it at dinner. So then months of like investigation happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and finally a paternity test made people listen to her.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the entire family and extended family turned their

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<v Speaker 2>backs on her. They were like, you're ruining our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>They tried to poke holes in her story. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you lying bitch, like normal stuff, not surprising. But in

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<v Speaker 2>January two thousand and one, she finally went to the

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<v Speaker 2>cops and they blew her off, So thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much to the Stow police. So then the Summit County

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<v Speaker 2>Children's Services Board also blew her off.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this you're gonna love this this is such

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<v Speaker 2>a twist. This is like an SVU thing. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even believe it. So in the nineties, Goff and the

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<v Speaker 2>wife Narda campaigned for tougher state rape laws. They were activists.

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<v Speaker 2>So their activism was sparked because a man got acquitted

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<v Speaker 2>for molesting Grim and at the time, the law required

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<v Speaker 2>intercourse for a rape charge. And because of that law

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<v Speaker 2>that they changed, he was tried under a tougher state

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<v Speaker 2>rape law.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, in July nineteen ninety three, the family attended

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<v Speaker 2>a neighborhood party and then two weeks later she told

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<v Speaker 2>her mom. During the party, a neighbor, a thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>year old named John Eggert, raped her and threatened to

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<v Speaker 2>kill her family if she told anybody. The case was

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<v Speaker 2>very straightforward, but until Grim hit the stand and she

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<v Speaker 2>could not definitively say or no if he used his

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<v Speaker 2>penis or fingers, and up until the nineties, if it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a dick, it wasn't rape.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Like that's why she was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>she was little. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just crazy, Like when people are not clear about

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<v Speaker 2>the importance of feminism and like all of this like

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<v Speaker 2>into the nineties in the state of Ohio, if you

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<v Speaker 2>used an object or another thing, or force someone to

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<v Speaker 2>do oral or anything not rape.

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<v Speaker 3>It had to be a dick in penetration. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you put a finger in a child against her,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? Ah, how is that not rape?

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<v Speaker 2>He got fucking acquitted. Oh my god, but GoF legit.

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<v Speaker 2>The dad was like, what's the difference what he raped

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<v Speaker 2>her with? Rape is rape? So a bill was drafted

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety six, and after spending two years waiting

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<v Speaker 2>through the Ohio legal systemading one hundred and twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>letters to legislators, it finally became law, and so June

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one, the Goths were finally indicted. Goff

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<v Speaker 2>ended up being convicted in two thousand and two and

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to twenty years in prison, but then in an

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<v Speaker 2>appeals court overturned the convictions because of the detective's testimony

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<v Speaker 2>about statements that Goff's wife made and it shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been allowed. So something about like hearsay or something happened

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<v Speaker 2>where he was quoting the wife and he shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe because wives can't testify against husbands, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure, but because of the testimony was thrown out.

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<v Speaker 2>The defense attorney said there was no crime because the stepdaughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Agreed to carry the child. So that's the defense. They're like,

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<v Speaker 3>she agreed to have the baby, so how is it

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<v Speaker 3>a cray?

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<v Speaker 2>And so then Goff and her own mother, Narda, testified

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<v Speaker 2>that this was the daughter's idea.

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<v Speaker 3>But during the trial he had a boyfriend me while

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<v Speaker 3>she had a boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she really wanted to carry her stepdad's baby, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>got it?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And then during the trial, you know, this motherfucker was

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<v Speaker 2>quoting Bible verses. He said he forgives everyone, including the judge, police, prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 2>and his stepdaughter. But then finally April two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 2>they got to do a retrial and the jury convicted

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<v Speaker 2>his ass of rape, sexual battery, and child and dangering.

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<v Speaker 2>He got twenty years and then five more year for

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<v Speaker 2>the rape and then five more for the abuse that

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<v Speaker 2>was to be served concurrently, also, Judge Judith Hunter also

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<v Speaker 2>ordered him to register as a sex offender when he

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<v Speaker 2>does get released from prison.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I bet he's gonna get released soon.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Narada Goff was convicted March two thousand and two of

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<v Speaker 2>helping her husband impregnate her daughter. She was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 2>three years, but she was released from prison in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and three after only serving eight months. I think

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<v Speaker 2>three years is too little. The fact that it was

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<v Speaker 2>only eight months is like sickening to me. Grim At

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<v Speaker 2>twenty had been diagnosed with PTS depression and she did

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<v Speaker 2>have attempts to take her own life. Graham did file

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<v Speaker 2>some civil suits, and in March eleventh, two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>that a Summit that the Summit County Jury ruled that

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<v Speaker 2>Goff is liable for more than three point three million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in compensateor compensatory compensatory. Liable for three point three

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars in compensateory. I can't it sounds like because

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<v Speaker 2>repository to me, and I cannot say it compens say it.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just say damages, compensatory.

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<v Speaker 2>Compensaitory damages, and then seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in punitive damages. The jury also ordered Akron City Hospital

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<v Speaker 2>to pay two hundred and twenty four thousand dollars in

1:10:41.720 --> 1:10:44.960
<v Speaker 2>damages since when they asked her who put who to

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<v Speaker 2>put down? As the dad on the birth certificate. She

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<v Speaker 2>did say her stepfather's name. They didn't do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hospital records also show, Oh, it gets worse. Hospital records

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<v Speaker 2>also showed that he made inappropriate comments during the delivery.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually not going to repeat them here. They are

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<v Speaker 2>vile versus heard it. The nurses also noticed a blank

1:11:03.080 --> 1:11:05.360
<v Speaker 2>look on her face, flat affect in her voice. She

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<v Speaker 2>was shaky and pale. They did nothing. She also sued,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm glad they owed her money. She also sued

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<v Speaker 2>Summit County Children's Services Board for negligence, and according to

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<v Speaker 2>court documents, the judge said he ruled CSB had no

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<v Speaker 2>liability because the Ohio Revised Code gives immunity to government

1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:29.000
<v Speaker 2>entities and we've covered that like child service agencies like

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<v Speaker 2>can't be sued.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's like that, it's pretty fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Her lawyer, William Whittaker, who spoke on behalf of his clients,

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<v Speaker 2>said that she feels vindicated and very happy with that

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<v Speaker 2>jury's decision. I just hope her fiance and her are good,

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<v Speaker 2>or she found something else in life, like I just

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<v Speaker 2>wish the best for chef.

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<v Speaker 3>She's happy. What a fucking nightmare, I mean like.

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<v Speaker 1>I know everybody has, like you know, traumas and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, but it's like when people like get married

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<v Speaker 1>and let like a man treat their child in a

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<v Speaker 1>bad way kind of like no, what what, like it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even you need a boyfriend that bad. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get it. I don't get it. I know we just

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<v Speaker 1>are but he was probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Abusing her too, and like, you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We're also like liberal free women, and like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times if you grow up in a really indoctrinated situation,

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<v Speaker 2>like having a man is the number on the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and the man, if you're religious, is the head of

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<v Speaker 2>the household. And when he says, goes like and to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to procreate is your duty as a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, so like there's just so much trauma

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<v Speaker 2>and bullshit instilled in women that like, yeah, of course

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<v Speaker 2>I can see them ending up serving and massage.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I shouldn't blame I shouldn't blame the mom

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<v Speaker 3>and no, it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Natural instinct to be like you should protect your fucking child.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel I agree with you. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I that's why.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, weren't we talking about it for like

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<v Speaker 2>the Nardilique. Not not really, I'm forgetting her name. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the child cases in New York where the mom got

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<v Speaker 2>way more than the dad.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, because we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Meaner to moms, because we do have an expectation of

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<v Speaker 2>mothers that you care about your kid. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>expectations for dads. We know they're bad. They should be

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<v Speaker 2>at work, they should be absent. I never changed a diaper,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Like, but I understand the

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<v Speaker 2>instinct to be like, how dare you not protect your

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<v Speaker 2>child too?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>But also a girl don't. Also, girl, don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>jail for a man. It was only eight months, but

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<v Speaker 1>you still went to jail for a fucking man.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I understand the instinct to be mad at

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<v Speaker 2>the moms. But then I understand the fucked up way.

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<v Speaker 2>So many women are brought up totally to honor men.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's totally difficult case.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess somewhere. So this is the case of Fred

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<v Speaker 2>and Rosemary West.

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<v Speaker 3>The Wests.

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<v Speaker 2>They are sick, like I said, they're known as Britain's

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<v Speaker 2>worst serial killers. This couple would prey on vulnerable young

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<v Speaker 2>girls and women to play out sexual fantasies. Over a

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<v Speaker 2>period of twenty years, they would rape, torture and murder

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<v Speaker 2>in their house of Horror in Glouceschester, England.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's Gloucester, Glocester. It's just Gloucester, Gloucester, England.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was abduction, satomasochistic torture, binding, and then after

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<v Speaker 2>the murders, these women were dismembered and their bodies buried,

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<v Speaker 2>very sexually sadistic, very fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course both of.

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<v Speaker 2>Them have very classic like killer vibes with roots going

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<v Speaker 2>back to their childhood. So both of them were subjected

1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:44.320
<v Speaker 2>to incest, both were abused, and so when they met

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<v Speaker 2>it was the worst possible combination of all time. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when the authorities finally arrived and did all

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<v Speaker 2>the work, they found the bodies of nine girls in

1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:58.719
<v Speaker 2>the hall under the home, and then three other bodies

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<v Speaker 2>were found later elsewhere where.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna say, do you watch Black Mirror?

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<v Speaker 2>I am, I'm not a religious watcher. I've seen maybe

1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:10.800
<v Speaker 2>thirty percent of it, if not less. Obviously I watched

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<v Speaker 2>the Miley one, okay, and the Jared Goldstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because in the Jared Goldstein season, there is one

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<v Speaker 1>where this couple goes to this house to.

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<v Speaker 3>Make a documentary. If you've seen it, you've seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just really quickly googled it and it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like there might be a connection between that episode and

1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Fred and Rosemary West. So it immediately made me think

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Just go on, No, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Anne McFall is to be believed as the first victim,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was the fucking nanny to the kids from

1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:50.320
<v Speaker 2>his first marriage. And this is really difficult. I hated

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<v Speaker 2>this BBC article, but it did focus on the victims,

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<v Speaker 2>which I feel oftentimes we focus so much on the

1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:59.839
<v Speaker 2>killers and we forget like all these victims.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to go through it.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of the information came from the biographer

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<v Speaker 2>from Fred West. A lot of people wrote books about,

1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:09.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, both of these killers, and the way they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the victims really irks me. And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>from Fred West's account to this biographer who's also this man,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, you know, according to him, she flirted with him.

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<v Speaker 3>All the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, right, you know, So, like this article really

1:16:24.800 --> 1:16:29.280
<v Speaker 2>bothered me throughout. And yeah, they said that the nanny

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<v Speaker 2>was very naive, she was eighteen. She did end up

1:16:32.479 --> 1:16:34.720
<v Speaker 2>having a sexual relationship with Fred. When the wife would

1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:38.800
<v Speaker 2>leave town, he then fathered her child, and then when

1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:40.240
<v Speaker 2>she was pregnant, she disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>In May of nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Her body was found in a field near West's home

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<v Speaker 2>village of Much Markel. I don't know, get over at

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<v Speaker 2>England but in her a ford Shire. That's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back to Lord of the Rings. Okay, then the

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<v Speaker 2>second victim, this is to be believed, you know, with

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<v Speaker 2>all the things. So Catherine Cassello was born in Scotland

1:17:05.920 --> 1:17:09.479
<v Speaker 2>and was his first wife and second victim. So when

1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:11.759
<v Speaker 2>she married him in nineteen sixty two, she was already

1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:15.479
<v Speaker 2>pregnant with another man's child, and then she gave birth

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty three to that child, and then they

1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:23.040
<v Speaker 2>had another child together. And like I said, I hated

1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the reporting, but like the BBC also knew Jimmy Sevil

1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:28.320
<v Speaker 2>was molesting kids and did nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a great organization.

1:17:31.200 --> 1:17:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't be using them, but you know, they like

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<v Speaker 2>they are, like, yeah, she was known to have a strong personality.

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<v Speaker 2>She was tough and manipulative. And it's like he also

1:17:40.439 --> 1:17:43.400
<v Speaker 2>killed twelve women. So like, I don't know if her

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<v Speaker 2>being manipulative is relevant to murder.

1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Like one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims was like really annoying,

1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:52.599
<v Speaker 1>like he would never pay for drinks, you know what

1:17:52.600 --> 1:17:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Like for what? For what?

1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:57.680
<v Speaker 2>These were women that were tortured and murdered and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to say that, like you know they were Actually

1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:02.599
<v Speaker 2>she was manipul so we get why she would be murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>Like itis me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a misogyny. That's so fucking in there, damn right,

1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:11.080
<v Speaker 1>fucking crazy. You have to talk shit about this woman

1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:12.000
<v Speaker 1>even after she's been.

1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Murdered by a serial killer, like her worst qualities. Like

1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:17.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she had some good qualities too, you could

1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:20.840
<v Speaker 2>have mentioned. But she left him in nineteen sixty nine

1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:23.880
<v Speaker 2>because there was violence and sexual abuse, and then her

1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:26.599
<v Speaker 2>friends and family lost contact with her in nineteen seventy one.

1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:29.960
<v Speaker 2>So then Fred went on and he met Rosemary West

1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:34.120
<v Speaker 2>who was fifteen, and married her three years later, and

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<v Speaker 2>when she was in nineteen seventy two, together they were

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<v Speaker 2>jointly charged with the murder of the following ten victims.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know you might think, oh, she was abused too,

1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:46.960
<v Speaker 2>she was only fifteen. Nah, she's a dumb bitch too.

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<v Speaker 2>So Charmaine West was one of Fred's daughters and her stepdaughter,

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<v Speaker 2>and Rosemary hated the girl because she was rebellious and

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<v Speaker 2>so basically he left town and she murdered his daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:10.000
<v Speaker 2>So this isn't a situation where I hope I can

1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:12.000
<v Speaker 2>go off of this. This is not a situation where

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<v Speaker 2>uh oh he met her young like and.

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<v Speaker 3>For her she seems like she was murderous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yep, she was eight years old when she

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<v Speaker 2>disappeared in nineteen seventy one. And yeah, basically Rosemary murdered

1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.680
<v Speaker 2>her while Fred was in prison for the theft of

1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a car and vehicle tax stuff. So if she was

1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:36.920
<v Speaker 2>forced to do anything, he would have been there or

1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:40.360
<v Speaker 2>even a work this he was in prison, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and she took the opportunity to kill his child, but

1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:45.160
<v Speaker 2>when he was released, he'd inn't mind. He buried the

1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:47.280
<v Speaker 2>body of his daughter beneath the kitchen window in their

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<v Speaker 2>home in Midland Road in Gloucester. So then the next

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<v Speaker 2>Venda victim is Linda Goff, and she lived in Gloucester

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<v Speaker 2>as well with her family, and at nineteen years old

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<v Speaker 2>in April nineteen seventy three, she vanished and her parents

1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:02.519
<v Speaker 2>reported her miss Her remains were found in a former

1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:05.759
<v Speaker 2>car inspection pit in a garage that had been converted

1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:10.200
<v Speaker 2>into a bathroom in the West's next home at twenty

1:20:10.200 --> 1:20:11.479
<v Speaker 2>five Cromwell Street.

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<v Speaker 3>And they had lodgers in there.

1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:15.519
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's how that connects to like that

1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:17.720
<v Speaker 2>guy living yeah in an episode, like they did have.

1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:18.639
<v Speaker 3>Lodgers in that house.

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<v Speaker 2>The next victim was Carol Ann Cooper, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>from Bedfordshire and later lived in Worcester. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>sauce right is that it No, that's Worcestershires.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ok, pronounced I don't know in Massachusetts that's pronounced Worlster.

1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:38.960
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know about in England. I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 3>know it to our British listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>I know our poor English people were butchering everything. You

1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:48.320
<v Speaker 2>can send me hateful DMS if you'd like, But so

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<v Speaker 2>then so Carol Anne Cooper. At the time she disappeared

1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy three, she was staying at the Pines

1:20:54.000 --> 1:20:57.160
<v Speaker 2>children It's home. She was given permission to spend the

1:20:57.160 --> 1:21:00.880
<v Speaker 2>weekend with her grandmother, and she disappeared after boarding a

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<v Speaker 2>bus back to the children's home following a night out.

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<v Speaker 2>On November tenth, her body was found buried underneath the

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<v Speaker 2>cellar at twenty five Cromwell. Lucy Partington was a clever

1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:18.839
<v Speaker 2>woman and she attended Exeter University and on the twentieth

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<v Speaker 2>of December in nineteen seventy three, she returned home for

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas and then the twenty one year old disappeared two

1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:27.479
<v Speaker 2>days later after leaving a friend's house. It's thought she

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<v Speaker 2>was waiting for a bus and the wests picked her

1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:32.519
<v Speaker 2>up near her home and then her mother did report

1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:36.639
<v Speaker 2>her missing. Big search and her you know, remains here.

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<v Speaker 2>They got away with it for over twenty plus years.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I mean, there's also this like Ken and Barbie

1:21:42.400 --> 1:21:46.439
<v Speaker 1>killer thing where or like the Sebastian Martin short episode

1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:47.840
<v Speaker 1>where it's like it's a man and a wife.

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<v Speaker 3>What could possibly happen to me?

1:21:49.720 --> 1:21:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so I'm telling you everyone at once, but

1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:56.320
<v Speaker 2>like and when on how they were found and whatnot.

1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:59.479
<v Speaker 2>But they got away with these crimes for twenty plus years.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not So this was all in the seventies

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<v Speaker 2>and there was no justice till the nineties. But her

1:22:04.320 --> 1:22:06.599
<v Speaker 2>remains were found at twenty five Cromwell, beneath the floor

1:22:06.640 --> 1:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>of the cellar. The next victim is Terse Seagenthaler, and

1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:13.360
<v Speaker 2>she was a Swiss born student. She was twenty one

1:22:13.439 --> 1:22:16.200
<v Speaker 2>years old at London College. She also worked at a

1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:20.040
<v Speaker 2>ballet's shoe shop, and she disappeared on eastern nineteen seventy four,

1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:23.000
<v Speaker 2>having set out hitchhiking to visit a friend in Ireland

1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:23.759
<v Speaker 2>who was a priest.

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<v Speaker 3>She never reached her destination.

1:22:27.000 --> 1:22:28.680
<v Speaker 2>And my thing was like, how were they at all

1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:31.479
<v Speaker 2>these locations and all these places and ready to attack

1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:35.120
<v Speaker 2>all the time, like the planning and all of it,

1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and their methods are I don't know.

1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:42.759
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's all over the place.

1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:45.720
<v Speaker 2>So her her remains, like I said, were found many

1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:48.840
<v Speaker 2>years later, also under the floorboards in the cellar at

1:22:48.840 --> 1:22:52.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty five Cromwell. Shirley Hubbard was fifteen and attended high school.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time of her disappearance November fourteenth, nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>She left work to go home and was never seen again.

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<v Speaker 2>No trace of her was found she as well under

1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:02.519
<v Speaker 2>the cellar.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my God.

1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Janita Mott born in nineteen fifty seven and then in

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<v Speaker 2>April nineteen seventy five she was eighteen years old and

1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:13.000
<v Speaker 2>she left her Nuwant address and is believed to have

1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:16.680
<v Speaker 2>traveled to Gloucester, but she vanished the day before a

1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>friend's wedding. It was not reported to police, but the

1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:22.960
<v Speaker 2>family did contact the Missing Persons Bureau and the media,

1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:25.479
<v Speaker 2>and her remains were also found at twenty five Cromwell.

1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Shirley Anne Robinson lodged with Fred and Rosemary and became

1:23:29.600 --> 1:23:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Fred West's lover and conceived a child with him, and

1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:35.000
<v Speaker 2>when she was eight months pregnant, was the last time

1:23:35.040 --> 1:23:35.920
<v Speaker 2>she was ever seen.

1:23:36.080 --> 1:23:38.400
<v Speaker 3>In May of nineteen seventy eight, her.

1:23:38.280 --> 1:23:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Body and the body of the unborn child were found

1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:42.519
<v Speaker 2>buried in the garden at the West's home.

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<v Speaker 1>So so far he's killed two pregnant women. So unlike

1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the guy from the episode, he does not want these

1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:51.360
<v Speaker 1>kids now they're just popping out from the result of

1:23:51.360 --> 1:23:53.400
<v Speaker 1>being a psychopathy.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it's evil.

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Chambers was born in West Germany, later moved to

1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Swansea and then you know she was quote unquote rebellious

1:24:03.240 --> 1:24:06.320
<v Speaker 2>as well, very mouthy and stubborn. It's like, why would

1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you write that in like a victim article. It's sickening,

1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:13.920
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy, but she went to go live in a

1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>children's home in Gloucester and was a known visitor to

1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:20.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty five Cromwell. And she disappeared in August nineteen seventy nine,

1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:23.160
<v Speaker 2>shortly before her seventeenth birthday, and her remains were found

1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:25.040
<v Speaker 2>in the garden at twenty five Cromwell. I mean, I

1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know how many times like a lot of Cromwell. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather West Yes, one of their children. Heather was the

1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:35.640
<v Speaker 2>first child of Fred and Rosemary, born in Gloucester on

1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:39.559
<v Speaker 2>October seventeenth, nineteen seventy and this obviously just shows the

1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:42.160
<v Speaker 2>even more depths of the evil of this couple. She

1:24:42.320 --> 1:24:44.759
<v Speaker 2>was sixteen years old and she was murdered in nineteen

1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:47.360
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven. Her body was the first that was found

1:24:47.400 --> 1:24:49.360
<v Speaker 2>at twenty five Cromwell and is believed to be the

1:24:49.439 --> 1:24:52.559
<v Speaker 2>last victim of their killing spree. She lived with her

1:24:52.560 --> 1:24:55.559
<v Speaker 2>family in Midland wrote until nineteen seventy two, and then

1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>they all moved to this Cromwell place. Her and her

1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:01.719
<v Speaker 2>sister tried to protect each other from their father and

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<v Speaker 2>this biographer, mister Wanzell, said that he believed she had

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<v Speaker 2>threatened to go to the police about her father's sexual abuse,

1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and that's when she went missing. Her parents never reported

1:25:12.040 --> 1:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>her disappearance because they knew she was buried under the

1:25:14.800 --> 1:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>garden patio. And the patterns are it's like group home, hitchhiking,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling buses, not close with their families. They did know

1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:24.320
<v Speaker 2>what they were doing. Even though I'm confused about the

1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>scope and finding stuff, I guess it is more simple

1:25:27.479 --> 1:25:29.760
<v Speaker 2>than I'm making it. And then how do they get

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<v Speaker 2>away with it for so long? And it's most of

1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:34.040
<v Speaker 2>the victims were in the seventies. That stuff didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>uncovered till nineteen ninety two. So how they got uncovered

1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:40.880
<v Speaker 2>was the West's five remaining children were taken into local

1:25:40.920 --> 1:25:44.360
<v Speaker 2>authority care because of child abuse allegations against their parents.

1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:47.280
<v Speaker 2>There was also a family joke that they kept repeating

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<v Speaker 2>that their sister was buried under the patio. And then finally,

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<v Speaker 2>in the summer of nineteen ninety three, the police were

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<v Speaker 2>told about the concerns stemming from the jokes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1:25:58.120 --> 1:26:01.000
<v Speaker 2>So once they were taken in, Fred's story kept changing.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose denied any knowledge about it, but then they found

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<v Speaker 2>two femurs in the yard and Fred Slart slowly started

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<v Speaker 2>confessing to the killings and was taken back to the

1:26:09.560 --> 1:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>house and pointed all the.

1:26:10.600 --> 1:26:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Spots where all the bodies were.

1:26:12.200 --> 1:26:15.960
<v Speaker 2>These bodies were found dismembered, stuffed into vertical holes in

1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the ground and with trophy. Body parts such as kneecaps

1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>and finger bones were removed and have never been found.

1:26:23.240 --> 1:26:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:28.960
<v Speaker 2>The property was demolished after the search. The search continued

1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:32.360
<v Speaker 2>to the old property. And obviously this was a massive story.

1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Many people have written books about both of the monsters

1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:38.679
<v Speaker 2>and this case really did put a cloud over a Gloucester,

1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:39.639
<v Speaker 2>which was a small town.

1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:41.439
<v Speaker 3>Doonet cared about. And now this is the legacy.

1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And he was charged with twelve counts of murder, but

1:26:44.800 --> 1:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>sadly he did kill himself at fifty three before he

1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>could stand trial, and he took a ton of secrets

1:26:50.240 --> 1:26:52.719
<v Speaker 2>to the grave with him that have haunted the country

1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:53.280
<v Speaker 2>for decades.

1:26:53.280 --> 1:26:54.360
<v Speaker 3>So we have no information.

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<v Speaker 2>He was found in his Remann cell on January first,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, was convicted of ten counts of murder

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<v Speaker 2>in November nineteen ninety five. She had no outward reaction

1:27:06.040 --> 1:27:07.679
<v Speaker 2>when the guilty verdict was delivered.

1:27:08.080 --> 1:27:11.280
<v Speaker 3>She did try to appeal. Lol, it did not work.

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<v Speaker 2>She will remain in prison until she dies at HM Prison,

1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:19.439
<v Speaker 2>new Hall Flocked in West Yorkshire. She still claims she

1:27:19.560 --> 1:27:22.519
<v Speaker 2>is innocent and has not revealed anything about the case

1:27:22.560 --> 1:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>over the years. Experts do believe there are more victims

1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>because like, they just don't believe they were they would

1:27:29.080 --> 1:27:30.759
<v Speaker 2>have been able to take as long of a break

1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:36.400
<v Speaker 2>as they did, but they will never get any information

1:27:36.640 --> 1:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>unless maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they must have picked another hiding place for the eighties,

1:27:41.600 --> 1:27:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sure they killed throughout the eighties and they

1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>just found another hiding spot.

1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:50.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, Like, oh my god, yeah yeah.

1:27:50.240 --> 1:27:52.400
<v Speaker 1>That episode of Black Mirror, by the way, is called

1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:55.479
<v Speaker 1>Locke Henry and it is terrifying, so check it out.

1:27:55.600 --> 1:28:00.759
<v Speaker 3>But this reminded me of it. Fuck, what is happening?

1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, crazy, crazy people just want to bury things in

1:28:07.640 --> 1:28:12.719
<v Speaker 1>their own houses when there is so much forest out there. Anyway,

1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>we've got a great guest. Thank you for doing all

1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:18.160
<v Speaker 1>that research and telling us about all those horrific crimes.

1:28:18.360 --> 1:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's get to our interview. Our guest today has since

1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>retired from acting, but is known for some iconic roles,

1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:37.360
<v Speaker 1>like from the very horrifying scene in The Ring or

1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:40.639
<v Speaker 1>from the fantastical, a little princess, but you know her

1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:43.719
<v Speaker 1>today as the victim of a truly fucked up family situation.

1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Jackie Landrix. Please enjoy our chat with the lovely Rachel Bella.

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<v Speaker 2>We are thrilled you're here. This is a very fucked

1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>up episode.

1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's just a little yeah. Yeah. How old

1:28:56.439 --> 1:28:57.320
<v Speaker 3>were you when you shot it?

1:28:58.360 --> 1:28:58.839
<v Speaker 6>Eighteen?

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<v Speaker 3>Were you playing fifteen?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you knew it was fucked You were reading

1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:05.599
<v Speaker 2>it being like, oh my god, oh.

1:29:05.520 --> 1:29:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

1:29:06.360 --> 1:29:08.920
<v Speaker 5>I mean it wasn't my first like fucked up, you

1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:10.519
<v Speaker 5>know role that I was reading for.

1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:12.559
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I was like, no big.

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<v Speaker 2>Deal, You've done a lot of the dark the dark

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah gee yeah exactly.

1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Like where were you in your like career

1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>when this SVU thing came along? Do you remember auditioning

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<v Speaker 1>for it?

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<v Speaker 6>Like?

1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:28.679
<v Speaker 3>What? Yes?

1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:32.640
<v Speaker 5>So I had I think I had already. Yeah, I

1:29:32.680 --> 1:29:35.479
<v Speaker 5>had done like the Ring. I was a child actress,

1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:37.679
<v Speaker 5>so I had been working since I was like nine,

1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:40.439
<v Speaker 5>and I grew up in New York but had lived

1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:44.479
<v Speaker 5>in LA since I was like twelve and so or

1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:47.679
<v Speaker 5>no even younger than that. But uh, they, I guess

1:29:47.760 --> 1:29:53.160
<v Speaker 5>had trouble casting this episode. I don't know exactly why,

1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:58.000
<v Speaker 5>but Dick Wolf ended up going to LA and searching

1:29:58.320 --> 1:30:02.320
<v Speaker 5>for actresses for this role, and he met me one

1:30:02.400 --> 1:30:05.320
<v Speaker 5>time and was like, you're at and blew me out

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<v Speaker 5>to your interesting So.

1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.840
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't you had Dick Wolf himself. That's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I don't think we've ever talked to anybody

1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:15.759
<v Speaker 1>that said they got the role directly from Dick Wolf.

1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I was. I was impressed.

1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:21.599
<v Speaker 5>I was like, because I had grown up watching lawn Orders,

1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:24.439
<v Speaker 5>so I was like, oh my god, I'm freak out.

1:30:24.479 --> 1:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he was really nice. Well you were, but

1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you were booked and busy as a kid. I mean

1:30:28.880 --> 1:30:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you were, you were out there booking, you.

1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:33.160
<v Speaker 6>Were Yeah, yeah, comparatively Yeah.

1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:33.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:30:33.520 --> 1:30:35.960
<v Speaker 5>I took a little break, but then yeah, around seventeen

1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:37.320
<v Speaker 5>eighteen I started working again.

1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:37.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:38.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:41.479
<v Speaker 2>And once you get to say, I mean, what we're

1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>wondering is what do you remember.

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<v Speaker 3>What subway stop that was?

1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:44.439
<v Speaker 6>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How was it filming on the subway where people like

1:30:46.479 --> 1:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>heading to work? Did they rent the platform? What are

1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:49.360
<v Speaker 2>the deeds?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was kind of crazy. They rented that whole

1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:57.360
<v Speaker 5>area out, like the entrance to that side of the subway,

1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:02.880
<v Speaker 5>and every body in. There were extras and like going

1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:03.840
<v Speaker 5>through the platform.

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<v Speaker 6>Everything, they were all extras.

1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:09.040
<v Speaker 5>I think Dick Like we had a woman director, but

1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:11.679
<v Speaker 5>I think Dick Wolf came in and directed that part.

1:31:12.040 --> 1:31:13.800
<v Speaker 6>I don't know why. He was like.

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<v Speaker 5>Randomly at the set a lot and I think it

1:31:19.000 --> 1:31:22.280
<v Speaker 5>was in Chelsea. I don't know where it was supposed

1:31:22.320 --> 1:31:26.920
<v Speaker 5>to be, but we were in Chelsea. Yeah, and they

1:31:26.920 --> 1:31:28.720
<v Speaker 5>closed down the whole thing and it was just it

1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:32.879
<v Speaker 5>was a I can't remember, like the four I think,

1:31:33.280 --> 1:31:36.040
<v Speaker 5>and it was just the express to go through. And

1:31:36.080 --> 1:31:38.000
<v Speaker 5>they even asked me, they were like, do you want

1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:40.759
<v Speaker 5>to have like a stunt double do the like jumping

1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:43.200
<v Speaker 5>towards the train. I was like, no, do and they

1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:47.280
<v Speaker 5>put me in like a cord thing and I was like.

1:31:47.400 --> 1:31:50.360
<v Speaker 6>No, fear. I don't know now, I'm like, oh my God, would.

1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:50.800
<v Speaker 5>Never do that.

1:31:50.880 --> 1:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>But so like a real train comes by and everything

1:31:53.920 --> 1:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and then they just yank you with a cord around

1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:57.799
<v Speaker 1>your midsection almost exactly.

1:31:58.200 --> 1:32:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I thought it was awesome. I'm stressed, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, right, And you didn't have you were eighteen already.

1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Because we always with child actors, we asked like, how

1:32:08.280 --> 1:32:09.760
<v Speaker 2>were your parents behaving on set?

1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:12.439
<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean, right, No, I actually had

1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:14.919
<v Speaker 5>so this is really embarrassing. I was very like co dependent,

1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:17.599
<v Speaker 5>as you know, when I was younger, so I always

1:32:17.600 --> 1:32:18.640
<v Speaker 5>had a boyfriend with me.

1:32:19.280 --> 1:32:21.320
<v Speaker 6>And at the time I was dating this guy who

1:32:21.360 --> 1:32:25.519
<v Speaker 6>was about nineteen years older than me WOA, and he

1:32:25.720 --> 1:32:27.639
<v Speaker 6>did not like me jumping in front of the train.

1:32:28.240 --> 1:32:30.840
<v Speaker 6>He did like he was on set, like staring at me.

1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:35.599
<v Speaker 5>Apparently I was oblivious eighteen, you know, like, but everyone

1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:38.680
<v Speaker 5>was like, I don't like him. Like Marishka literally told me.

1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:40.240
<v Speaker 5>She told me a side and she's like, I don't

1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:42.479
<v Speaker 5>like the way he's looking at you. I don't like him.

1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:45.360
<v Speaker 5>Get away from him. I was like, okay, did you

1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:50.040
<v Speaker 5>listen to I mean eventually, not right away, a little quicker,

1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:51.320
<v Speaker 5>but yeah, she was right.

1:32:51.520 --> 1:32:52.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:55.320
<v Speaker 3>How was it with Marishka and Maloney?

1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:56.439
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:59.679
<v Speaker 5>They were great. I mean Marishka was definitely more like chatty.

1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:02.839
<v Speaker 5>I remember at one point she was talking about her haircut.

1:33:03.000 --> 1:33:05.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't know how much before that she had gotten

1:33:05.920 --> 1:33:09.599
<v Speaker 5>her haircut, but pretty recently, and she was talking about

1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:14.120
<v Speaker 5>how she almost got fired and she had been crying,

1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:15.840
<v Speaker 5>I guess, but she.

1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:17.360
<v Speaker 6>Was like, but it was okay in the end, and

1:33:17.400 --> 1:33:19.240
<v Speaker 6>oh yes, heason four. She left it out.

1:33:19.320 --> 1:33:22.040
<v Speaker 3>She did like do the pixie and that. Yeah, it

1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:22.920
<v Speaker 3>was really sure.

1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:27.280
<v Speaker 6>Moment, you know, yeah, yeah, yes, exactly.

1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Well I like that she got involved. When did you

1:33:30.920 --> 1:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>break up with this person?

1:33:32.479 --> 1:33:33.759
<v Speaker 6>Probably two months later?

1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, if you don't have them, if you don't

1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>have the Olivia Benson steal of approval, I don't think

1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:40.599
<v Speaker 1>you can like keep nating somebody.

1:33:40.720 --> 1:33:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, yeah.

1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:44.400
<v Speaker 6>She knew, she knew she was smarter than me.

1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially on that set. You know, they're on top

1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>of they're on top.

1:33:48.840 --> 1:33:52.120
<v Speaker 5>Of all that, I know, right, Yeah, so she was

1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:56.920
<v Speaker 5>super like sweet and I didn't have a ton of

1:33:57.120 --> 1:33:57.840
<v Speaker 5>scenes with her.

1:33:58.080 --> 1:34:00.120
<v Speaker 6>Most of my scenes were with Chris I guess.

1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:02.240
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, you guys got I mean you like cried

1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:03.880
<v Speaker 3>in his arms.

1:34:03.840 --> 1:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, But like also that scene where you're originally acting

1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:11.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of like baby ish, like a child, and then

1:34:11.560 --> 1:34:15.439
<v Speaker 1>you suddenly like very vamp and like, well yeah, but

1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:18.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a great scene for showing how like

1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:22.519
<v Speaker 1>fucked up this girl mentally has sucked her up, you know,

1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Like but when you're like coming on to Christopher Maloney,

1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>how was that scene as like it when you're supposed

1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to be fifteen, so it's like creepy.

1:34:31.920 --> 1:34:34.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. No, I thought it was totally creepy.

1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:36.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean I think my boyfriend at the time was

1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:39.360
<v Speaker 5>like his age too, so I didn't want him to

1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:40.160
<v Speaker 5>think that there.

1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:41.000
<v Speaker 6>Was like any weird.

1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:43.120
<v Speaker 5>I was just like I thought of him because I

1:34:43.160 --> 1:34:46.160
<v Speaker 5>had seen him on shows growing up, and so I

1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:49.519
<v Speaker 5>thought of him as like a fatherly type figure or

1:34:49.560 --> 1:34:52.080
<v Speaker 5>something like that. And I just it was it was

1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:55.120
<v Speaker 5>really awkward and really hard for me. Like I remember

1:34:55.120 --> 1:34:58.040
<v Speaker 5>we had to do that scene a ton of times

1:34:58.240 --> 1:35:00.599
<v Speaker 5>because I did not want to be.

1:35:00.600 --> 1:35:04.519
<v Speaker 6>Sexy towards him. Like it's just felt so awkward and weird.

1:35:04.640 --> 1:35:07.120
<v Speaker 2>But well, I like I did see that the director

1:35:07.360 --> 1:35:10.000
<v Speaker 2>was a woman, and I feel like I like that Joyce.

1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:12.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she was really good.

1:35:12.640 --> 1:35:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:15.439
<v Speaker 2>I liked her a lot because we do hear that

1:35:15.520 --> 1:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like a go, go go, So I'm glad that

1:35:18.439 --> 1:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>you were able to do you know, yes, take your

1:35:20.880 --> 1:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>time with those scenes and stuff.

1:35:22.800 --> 1:35:25.640
<v Speaker 5>That scene I actually got some time. Everything else was

1:35:25.680 --> 1:35:28.960
<v Speaker 5>like go as fast as possible. Yeah, They're all like

1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:32.519
<v Speaker 5>even though this was like early on in the show,

1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:34.200
<v Speaker 5>everyone on the.

1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:38.400
<v Speaker 6>Set was just like you know, experts at it. Yeah,

1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:38.920
<v Speaker 6>it was great.

1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:39.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:35:39.400 --> 1:35:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Do any other episodes stick out to you since you're

1:35:42.479 --> 1:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>a watcher of SV we like to call like our haunting.

1:35:45.560 --> 1:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Episodes or episodes. Yeah you get excited.

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<v Speaker 5>By Honestly, there's one right around mine, either right after

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<v Speaker 5>maybe mine. I can't remember the name of it, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's this younger girl around like eighteen or nineteen. She's blonde,

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<v Speaker 5>and she has like a younger sister that she oh damaged.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, she gives the damage. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah exactly. You're trying to scare me. I'm already dead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we love that one. Oh my god. I was like,

1:36:20.400 --> 1:36:23.679
<v Speaker 3>oh damn, that is like, well other level. Yeah, that one.

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<v Speaker 6>Always stuck with me.

1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I am so I'm so pumped that that's the one

1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned. I'm like, I'm really happy.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a great up.

1:36:31.520 --> 1:36:32.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, there are so many that stick out, but

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<v Speaker 5>I always remember that when I was like, oh wow,

1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:36.160
<v Speaker 5>like that.

1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:38.760
<v Speaker 1>We talked to Ari for our podcast for that one,

1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:39.559
<v Speaker 1>and she was cool.

1:36:39.680 --> 1:36:40.559
<v Speaker 3>That was so cool.

1:36:41.400 --> 1:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>So what have you been up to or did you

1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>like what made you kind of, you know, pivot.

1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Away from like acting and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I quit because I had my son and then

1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:58.800
<v Speaker 5>my ex husband I had to leave. Uh, he was

1:36:58.840 --> 1:37:01.360
<v Speaker 5>having some issues, and so I needed to get like

1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:04.240
<v Speaker 5>a job where I knew I had a paycheck.

1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:08.480
<v Speaker 6>I could have rent, you know. Unfortunately it's so unreliable.

1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:09.680
<v Speaker 3>It just is.

1:37:10.000 --> 1:37:12.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, no, it can. It can definitely.

1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:16.360
<v Speaker 5>And if you're in like living paycheck to paycheck, which

1:37:16.400 --> 1:37:18.639
<v Speaker 5>I was close to it, I was like, I can't

1:37:18.680 --> 1:37:19.000
<v Speaker 5>do this.

1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:21.400
<v Speaker 6>So I went back to school. I became a paralegal.

1:37:21.439 --> 1:37:23.519
<v Speaker 6>And I was a paralegal for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, So do you when you watch you

1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:29.040
<v Speaker 2>or different shows like that, or even listen to my

1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:31.560
<v Speaker 2>favorite murderer, you you know about.

1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:35.439
<v Speaker 5>I do, well, I know some of it because I

1:37:35.520 --> 1:37:38.519
<v Speaker 5>worked at a law firm that did like divorce and

1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:42.240
<v Speaker 5>custody and stuff. So I like there were some crazy

1:37:42.280 --> 1:37:44.000
<v Speaker 5>stuff that we had to deal with. And I do

1:37:44.160 --> 1:37:47.280
<v Speaker 5>know like a lot about like restraining orders and stuff

1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:51.160
<v Speaker 5>like that. So I definitely when I see shows about things,

1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:53.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, they're not they're not saying that rider,

1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:55.439
<v Speaker 5>they didn't use the ride. They would never get a

1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:57.880
<v Speaker 5>restraining order for that, Like yeah, it kind of Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we were recently talking about is how like in

1:38:01.040 --> 1:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>some states you can't get a divorce when you're pregnant. What.

1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just part of it's part of the new

1:38:09.680 --> 1:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of conservative vibe that's happened, an attack on women

1:38:13.600 --> 1:38:15.720
<v Speaker 2>that's happening in our country, but I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>Missouri and a few other places.

1:38:17.560 --> 1:38:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're pregnant, you can't get a divorce.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh that is insane.

1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.

1:38:23.080 --> 1:38:25.120
<v Speaker 6>That sounds like it's like a law from like one

1:38:25.640 --> 1:38:26.280
<v Speaker 6>two hundred years.

1:38:26.360 --> 1:38:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well those are those are coming back into

1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:29.320
<v Speaker 1>fashion Arizona.

1:38:29.360 --> 1:38:31.840
<v Speaker 2>They brought one back from what eighteen sixty four, like

1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:32.920
<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty or something.

1:38:33.400 --> 1:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, insane, so scary. Do people still like text you

1:38:37.320 --> 1:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>when your SVU comes on? Like you're on the assay

1:38:40.040 --> 1:38:40.840
<v Speaker 1>network right now.

1:38:41.240 --> 1:38:44.760
<v Speaker 5>It's funny because that's probably what people message me the

1:38:44.800 --> 1:38:46.960
<v Speaker 5>most about on like Facebook or tags.

1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:48.720
<v Speaker 6>They'll be like, I just thought your nee or out

1:38:48.760 --> 1:38:50.840
<v Speaker 6>of you afull They're.

1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Still getting those checks.

1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:56.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not that much anymore, but yeah, sure,

1:38:56.920 --> 1:38:57.599
<v Speaker 5>yeah they come.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to know how rich Marishka is so bad?

1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:04.080
<v Speaker 6>Oh she has gotta be.

1:39:04.400 --> 1:39:07.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's playing lot several hundred channels at the

1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>same time at all times.

1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:12.960
<v Speaker 6>Like it's I mean, she's got to be just stat forever.

1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>H No, I think she easily could stop working, never

1:39:17.080 --> 1:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>work another day in her life.

1:39:18.680 --> 1:39:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what do you like?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any other like memories of the set,

1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>like any other little funny stories or iced tea munch Anybody.

1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:33.479
<v Speaker 5>I see was very like down to business, nice but

1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:36.960
<v Speaker 5>not like he didn't really plan, like, you know, talk

1:39:37.040 --> 1:39:39.680
<v Speaker 5>to me a whole lot. Yeah, I think only like

1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:41.840
<v Speaker 5>one or two scenes around each other.

1:39:42.000 --> 1:39:43.920
<v Speaker 6>And he was like, hey, what's up?

1:39:44.000 --> 1:39:44.599
<v Speaker 3>How you doing?

1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:47.800
<v Speaker 6>And the yeah, I mean Chris was Oh. The one

1:39:47.840 --> 1:39:50.240
<v Speaker 6>thing Marishka kept talking about, which was funny.

1:39:50.360 --> 1:39:54.439
<v Speaker 5>She kept saying that she started doing what is it

1:39:54.479 --> 1:39:56.000
<v Speaker 5>called colonics.

1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:59.280
<v Speaker 6>And she was like she was pushing me.

1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:02.360
<v Speaker 5>She was like, so good for you. It is awesome.

1:40:02.680 --> 1:40:05.160
<v Speaker 5>You've got to do it. You feel so much better after.

1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:07.439
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, okay, I didn't know what it was at

1:40:07.439 --> 1:40:10.240
<v Speaker 5>the time. You know, there was you know, internet was

1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:12.040
<v Speaker 5>not what it is today, and I was like, I

1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:17.920
<v Speaker 5>don't know what Okay, I don't any right, I was

1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:20.559
<v Speaker 5>not up to Yeah, I didn't know what she was

1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:22.559
<v Speaker 5>talking about. But at the time I was like, okay, yeah,

1:40:22.600 --> 1:40:24.920
<v Speaker 5>I'll look into it. And Chris kept laughing and he's like, no,

1:40:25.000 --> 1:40:25.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm not doing that.

1:40:26.400 --> 1:40:27.080
<v Speaker 6>And then I looked it.

1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Up later and I was like, oh, that's what she

1:40:29.439 --> 1:40:30.160
<v Speaker 3>was about.

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<v Speaker 6>I couldn't know at the time.

1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:35.559
<v Speaker 1>I will say, Marishka's on trend because those were like

1:40:35.680 --> 1:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of having a moment in the two thousands. Like

1:40:38.400 --> 1:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a girl I went to high school with did an

1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>article for Playboy about doing a date to get a klonic,

1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>like going with a guy to get a klonic together

1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and then afterwards going to have like a really decadent

1:40:49.080 --> 1:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>meal and stuff like. So that was like a hot

1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:53.800
<v Speaker 1>thing people were doing at that time.

1:40:54.400 --> 1:40:55.360
<v Speaker 3>That is so funny.

1:40:56.240 --> 1:40:58.760
<v Speaker 6>That is hilarious. Yeah, so I always remember that. I

1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:01.800
<v Speaker 6>thought that was really fun. She was like promoting it

1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:02.759
<v Speaker 6>to me and Chris.

1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I feel like she likes you, Colonix. She got really

1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>deep about your your boyfriend. I mean she yea, she

1:41:10.040 --> 1:41:12.519
<v Speaker 2>was giving me advice. She was sweet. No, I really

1:41:12.600 --> 1:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>liked her. I always remembered her.

1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:17.759
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, time aunt her hair. Yeah, she was really sweet.

1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:21.040
<v Speaker 5>And I'm not that outgoing, like I'm kind of shy first,

1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:23.640
<v Speaker 5>so I would like, I was so glad that she

1:41:23.720 --> 1:41:24.320
<v Speaker 5>was so nice to me.

1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:28.439
<v Speaker 3>What also works with the character the shyness, right, it

1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:28.920
<v Speaker 3>does help.

1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:30.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you had a.

1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Big secret and you know, and you knew that your

1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:39.080
<v Speaker 3>dad was scary. Yeah, yeah, tough. I did. Also, we

1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:41.559
<v Speaker 3>stalk on IMDb. Obviously we do our work.

1:41:42.040 --> 1:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>But it says you were born in South Dakota, and

1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad you didn't stay in South Dakota. You

1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>famously meet the Dakota's on this podcast.

1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:50.760
<v Speaker 5>Me too.

1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:52.720
<v Speaker 6>You're against the I am too.

1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:56.240
<v Speaker 3>The places I've never been and I know.

1:41:56.160 --> 1:41:58.639
<v Speaker 2>But nobody goes There's what I mean, there's never a concert.

1:41:59.000 --> 1:41:59.680
<v Speaker 3>If you look on.

1:41:59.680 --> 1:42:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Any band, comedian, anyone's tour, no one's going to the Dakota.

1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:04.400
<v Speaker 3>They don't stop it.

1:42:05.520 --> 1:42:08.040
<v Speaker 5>They don't, no, no, no, I have you know, my

1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:09.800
<v Speaker 5>dad still lives there, who I don't really talk to.

1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:11.439
<v Speaker 5>And then I have a bunch of half sisters and

1:42:11.520 --> 1:42:15.240
<v Speaker 5>cousins and like you know, nieces, and they all live there.

1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:18.800
<v Speaker 5>I've not gone back since I was like eleven. My

1:42:18.880 --> 1:42:20.120
<v Speaker 5>sisters come out here to visit.

1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:20.719
<v Speaker 3>Of course.

1:42:21.240 --> 1:42:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, what are we going to do in the

1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Dakotas after we see Mount Rushmore?

1:42:25.720 --> 1:42:29.479
<v Speaker 3>What are we gonna do? Right? And Sturgist, I guess

1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:30.400
<v Speaker 3>if you're a biker.

1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:36.120
<v Speaker 5>Well, my dad loves Sturgis. Yeah there's that, oh he is, yes,

1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:37.360
<v Speaker 5>yeah six Sturgiss.

1:42:37.400 --> 1:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so wait, talk to us about being in the ring.

1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:45.240
<v Speaker 3>I saw that movie in the theater. It was I

1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:48.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't find I saw it made me go yeah, oh,

1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I remember screaming.

1:42:50.240 --> 1:42:51.599
<v Speaker 2>And then of course there was one girl with us

1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:53.519
<v Speaker 2>that kept be like I wasn't even scared, and it's like, Okay,

1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:56.559
<v Speaker 2>you're a dumb bitch and I hate you, like we.

1:42:56.840 --> 1:42:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Those are the best girls.

1:42:58.120 --> 1:42:59.400
<v Speaker 6>Wasn't even scared. I didn't care.

1:42:59.439 --> 1:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I was.

1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:00.840
<v Speaker 3>I was.

1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, why did you make me come to this?

1:43:03.120 --> 1:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have a panic attack, Like I'm god, but

1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm a.

1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:07.439
<v Speaker 3>Real scaredy cat.

1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Did everyone think you were so cool like in school

1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.120
<v Speaker 2>or in their life, like to be in such a

1:43:12.160 --> 1:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>big hit movie kind.

1:43:14.320 --> 1:43:17.000
<v Speaker 5>Of you know, I wasn't in school anymore. I had

1:43:17.280 --> 1:43:21.280
<v Speaker 5>tested out, I had graduated already, I was going to

1:43:21.360 --> 1:43:27.479
<v Speaker 5>like college per time. So you know, it was just

1:43:27.560 --> 1:43:31.400
<v Speaker 5>basically my close friends who like, you know, they already

1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:33.519
<v Speaker 5>like me, and.

1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:36.760
<v Speaker 6>So I couldn't really take their you know, their compliments.

1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Seriously, we have you shown your kids a little princess.

1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:46.719
<v Speaker 5>You know, I showed my twins because one is a girl,

1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:49.000
<v Speaker 5>and the boys don't want to watch a little princess.

1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:52.000
<v Speaker 6>That's like not on their thing. They're not that's not cool.

1:43:52.720 --> 1:43:55.639
<v Speaker 6>So my daughter liked it.

1:43:56.200 --> 1:43:58.840
<v Speaker 5>I still liked it too, but they didn't recognize me

1:43:59.160 --> 1:44:01.599
<v Speaker 5>in the movie, which so funny because it looks too sad.

1:44:01.600 --> 1:44:04.120
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's me, but they were like, oh, yeah,

1:44:04.200 --> 1:44:05.840
<v Speaker 5>that girl kind of looks like you. I didn't tell

1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:07.679
<v Speaker 5>them because I wanted them to be like, oh, look,

1:44:07.720 --> 1:44:08.439
<v Speaker 5>it's mom.

1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:10.519
<v Speaker 6>But they didn't. I was like, it is man. They

1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:11.240
<v Speaker 6>were like, no, it's not.

1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:15.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and so I don't think they understand that, like

1:44:15.160 --> 1:44:19.679
<v Speaker 5>most moms are not in like movies randomly or TV shows,

1:44:19.720 --> 1:44:21.160
<v Speaker 5>but you know, they'll figure it out.

1:44:21.400 --> 1:44:21.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:44:21.880 --> 1:44:25.519
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of one of the main things that like actors,

1:44:25.760 --> 1:44:28.680
<v Speaker 2>uh talk about on late night where so, yeah, my

1:44:28.760 --> 1:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>kid doesn't think I'm cool. They don't like how superhero

1:44:31.640 --> 1:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I am. They're disrespect to me constantly, and.

1:44:34.640 --> 1:44:37.320
<v Speaker 1>That's good, right, Yeah, but then it's like then it's

1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:40.599
<v Speaker 1>like actors will do an animated show so their kids

1:44:40.600 --> 1:44:42.639
<v Speaker 1>think it's cool, but then kids don't really like put

1:44:42.640 --> 1:44:46.640
<v Speaker 1>it together, like I'll say, oh, that's you know, that person's.

1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Voice on a thing. They're like, what, like they don't really.

1:44:48.840 --> 1:44:51.880
<v Speaker 6>Get that, you know, No, it's not connection.

1:44:51.640 --> 1:44:54.160
<v Speaker 3>When you just simply can't win with these children.

1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, because my niece and nephews are tines and like

1:44:57.280 --> 1:45:00.479
<v Speaker 2>they just really they really disrespect me in a way.

1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:01.760
<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine.

1:45:02.280 --> 1:45:03.679
<v Speaker 6>You're just not the cool ants.

1:45:03.680 --> 1:45:06.360
<v Speaker 2>They're not responding to texts I try to connect, they're

1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>just I mean, sometimes they will, but it's quick.

1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I think she is the cool ant. They just are

1:45:12.880 --> 1:45:14.920
<v Speaker 1>playing it cool. They are trying to play it cool.

1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I think you're cool.

1:45:17.920 --> 1:45:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think that.

1:45:19.160 --> 1:45:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I know.

1:45:19.479 --> 1:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>My little nephew's always just like, yeah, I want stability

1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:22.479
<v Speaker 2>in a house.

1:45:22.560 --> 1:45:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Thanks, Like they're just not like my lifestyle.

1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, he wants to be on you know,

1:45:29.439 --> 1:45:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Wall Street. He's kind of a bro. My youngest one,

1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's hilarious. How old is sixteen? So mine are

1:45:35.760 --> 1:45:38.800
<v Speaker 2>like my sister's kids are sixteen, eighteen, and twenty one.

1:45:39.600 --> 1:45:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah, and they just are out and about.

1:45:42.479 --> 1:45:44.240
<v Speaker 2>I was like, do you want to come visit New York?

1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:47.120
<v Speaker 2>They're like, no, thanks, are serious.

1:45:47.200 --> 1:45:50.320
<v Speaker 1>That's the funny, so insane, Like I would be like,

1:45:50.600 --> 1:45:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'll be there tomorrow.

1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:56.720
<v Speaker 6>Seriously with my aunt. Yeah, seriously, I'd be all over that.

1:45:56.720 --> 1:45:58.760
<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious, you know what. And I wonder if it's

1:45:58.800 --> 1:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the same for parents. Probably, Like I, you know, I've

1:46:02.080 --> 1:46:04.599
<v Speaker 2>known them their whole lives, and the two memories they

1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:07.599
<v Speaker 2>always remember is when I kind of like I called

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Johnson and said the bread is stale and you

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<v Speaker 2>better send more bread. Like that's the story. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's our ant, or like one time I had road rage,

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<v Speaker 2>And those are the two things they bring up times.

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<v Speaker 6>Remember, No, I know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that when you fuck up is when they're like,

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<v Speaker 5>hey remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Memory.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like our trips to the mall nothing, I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>all these fun meals, adventures, mini golf.

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<v Speaker 3>You just remember when I yelled at Jimmy John's Yeah

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<v Speaker 3>that's the Yeah, Yeah, I think that's that's the same

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<v Speaker 3>for parents as well, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, even you remember when I took you to Disneyland.

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<v Speaker 6>He's like, no, but I remember that time like my

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<v Speaker 6>Grandma's throwing.

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<v Speaker 5>Dishes, Like what what you remember?

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<v Speaker 6>It's just you know, that's what the that's what they like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what are we gonna do? Thank you so

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<v Speaker 3>much for so far. This is great.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>The second people find out about Marishka and the Colonix,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be in top.

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<v Speaker 3>A top guests. Thank you so much for taking the time.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've listened, like usually, people are like, she's a queen,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a goddess, she's an angel, and it's nice to

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<v Speaker 2>know she was getting colonnas as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she's a human angel, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>she worked on ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>That was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, oh boy, Well yeah no, it wasn't fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize. It's like, I don't know. The episodes are

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<v Speaker 2>such a journey where the episode like our episodes because

1:47:41.280 --> 1:47:44.599
<v Speaker 2>the episode is like I don't know, it's just why

1:47:44.640 --> 1:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I tune into s VU just fucked up twists and turns.

1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:52.400
<v Speaker 2>The real crime is really upsetting. I don't like any

1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>of it. And then she was a she was amazing adult.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:47:58.560 --> 1:48:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I love when we get I love these journame palette

1:48:01.800 --> 1:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>cleansing guests. After these fucked, very truly fucked up crimes

1:48:05.360 --> 1:48:08.200
<v Speaker 1>were like, let's talk to a nice person. It is

1:48:08.240 --> 1:48:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the worst crimes yes, yes, And I don't know what's

1:48:14.880 --> 1:48:19.040
<v Speaker 1>our post mortem takeaway from resilience. We need to disabuse

1:48:19.160 --> 1:48:21.840
<v Speaker 1>men of the notion that they need to continue their bloodline.

1:48:21.880 --> 1:48:24.560
<v Speaker 3>They absolutely do not, like these.

1:48:24.320 --> 1:48:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Disgusting crazy men do not need to keep procreating and like, no, and.

1:48:29.800 --> 1:48:31.519
<v Speaker 2>I forgot who brought this up to me, but it

1:48:31.560 --> 1:48:33.479
<v Speaker 2>was like or maybe it was event on this pod.

1:48:33.560 --> 1:48:37.439
<v Speaker 2>But we don't too generate, like your great grandparents. I

1:48:37.439 --> 1:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know my great grandparents' names. I know nothing about them,

1:48:41.240 --> 1:48:44.320
<v Speaker 2>like after two generations it is done, like this idea

1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:47.960
<v Speaker 2>that you will continue on and people like it's delusional.

1:48:48.160 --> 1:48:49.840
<v Speaker 3>You don't know your great grandparents.

1:48:49.880 --> 1:48:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Who the fuck's gonna care about you unless you really

1:48:52.800 --> 1:48:54.440
<v Speaker 2>invented you know, penicillin.

1:48:54.479 --> 1:48:56.120
<v Speaker 3>But I don't even know that guy's name.

1:48:57.640 --> 1:49:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Unless you invented penicillin. Oh my god, we don't know

1:49:01.439 --> 1:49:02.840
<v Speaker 1>that guy. Who is it?

1:49:03.360 --> 1:49:06.280
<v Speaker 2>We don't know these people like get over yourselves, Like

1:49:06.439 --> 1:49:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it's fine. You can just go with the wind Pocahonta style.

1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, yes, you can paint with all the colors of

1:49:15.360 --> 1:49:17.639
<v Speaker 1>the wind, focus on Polkanta style.

1:49:18.680 --> 1:49:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, this hunger just hit me in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>But in both of these episode and true crime. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always just like and I think that the women to

1:49:30.800 --> 1:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>a certain extent are victims because you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways which in which I'm not trap them.

1:49:37.880 --> 1:49:43.640
<v Speaker 2>But no, not m not Rosemary West right, No, Rosemary

1:49:43.680 --> 1:49:47.320
<v Speaker 2>fucking killed his kid. She killed her stepdaughter, which she

1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:49.160
<v Speaker 2>was annoying he was out of town.

1:49:49.800 --> 1:49:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanted to believe. Angie Landrix was like,

1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:57.559
<v Speaker 1>I was just doing what my husband told me to do.

1:49:57.680 --> 1:50:01.519
<v Speaker 1>But she's fucked to like, come on, come on, lady, Yeah, no,

1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>she is fucked.

1:50:02.680 --> 1:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>They're all fucked. She is a killer. And it's like

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<v Speaker 2>people get together that want to be Ferby's. I'm sure

1:50:08.200 --> 1:50:11.240
<v Speaker 2>the people that want to do this are furries, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Find each other.

1:50:12.240 --> 1:50:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people want to be Ferbies Furries, yes, Furries or

1:50:18.720 --> 1:50:21.519
<v Speaker 2>star Trek like people will find each other. So it's like,

1:50:22.240 --> 1:50:25.840
<v Speaker 2>but how do you Yeah, it's just these people are sick,

1:50:27.360 --> 1:50:28.920
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted him to suffer more.

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<v Speaker 3>All these guys also get off.

1:50:30.400 --> 1:50:34.640
<v Speaker 2>They all but also like you're keeping the what it

1:50:34.680 --> 1:50:36.840
<v Speaker 2>was it the kneecaps like there was weird.

1:50:36.640 --> 1:50:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, yeah, it's like fingers. Yeah, well, and then the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bosh also just does a great job acting where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the arrogance of these guys even when you're so caught,

1:50:49.920 --> 1:50:52.599
<v Speaker 2>it's beyond caught. We have the woman's head or whatever,

1:50:52.800 --> 1:50:56.200
<v Speaker 2>or like bought a torso it's like he still thinks

1:50:56.240 --> 1:50:58.920
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna somehow weasel his way out of a consequence.

1:50:59.520 --> 1:51:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he is so good.

1:51:00.840 --> 1:51:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean because like a Bosh, he's like a good guy,

1:51:03.280 --> 1:51:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, and then in this he's so evil. And

1:51:05.160 --> 1:51:07.639
<v Speaker 1>then later he comes back where he's like the evil

1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:11.040
<v Speaker 1>lawyer and there's like the he sexually assaults that other

1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:13.880
<v Speaker 1>lawyer and it's like, you know, we.

1:51:13.920 --> 1:51:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Don't back and get Bosh. We got to get Bosh.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've got the tightest wall of her connect please

1:51:21.280 --> 1:51:23.880
<v Speaker 1>let us know people have been if you know anyone

1:51:23.920 --> 1:51:25.720
<v Speaker 1>that's been on us for you messages, because people have

1:51:25.760 --> 1:51:27.760
<v Speaker 1>been messaging us and we've been We've we've booked a

1:51:27.760 --> 1:51:30.360
<v Speaker 1>couple of guests from people knowing people.

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<v Speaker 3>So we appreciate it. We appreciate you guys keeping a

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<v Speaker 3>look out again.

1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Friends of Ludaicress, friends of Joan Cusack. We need you

1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to rise up. Is that a Barbara streisand song or no.

1:51:40.320 --> 1:51:42.280
<v Speaker 3>People who people who love People.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's called People by by a Barbari Streisand yes, okay, great, great,

1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:51.360
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, I heard her like book is the greatest

1:51:51.360 --> 1:51:53.760
<v Speaker 1>thing ever. I would love to maybe listen to it.

1:51:54.000 --> 1:51:54.919
<v Speaker 3>I'm done pretending.

1:51:55.040 --> 1:51:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I just tell people I don't read now, and some

1:51:57.640 --> 1:51:58.920
<v Speaker 2>people are not impressed.

1:51:58.960 --> 1:52:03.559
<v Speaker 3>They don't like that. But I'm done. I'm done.

1:52:03.800 --> 1:52:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I am done pretending I do not read except when

1:52:08.400 --> 1:52:09.599
<v Speaker 2>there's research involved.

1:52:09.920 --> 1:52:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then you're reading Baby, and then you're getting There, Kansas,

1:52:13.240 --> 1:52:15.360
<v Speaker 1>then you're getting Wichita Eagle read there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there is an author and someone I follow online

1:52:20.240 --> 1:52:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that I wanted to support, but I was like, I'm

1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:23.479
<v Speaker 2>not buying another book, So I just bought it for

1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:24.839
<v Speaker 2>my niece for her birthday.

1:52:25.560 --> 1:52:29.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh nice. Let me know how it is.

1:52:30.040 --> 1:52:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I buy a lot of my friends books, and I

1:52:32.200 --> 1:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>can't say I read all of them, but I keep

1:52:34.000 --> 1:52:35.760
<v Speaker 1>them and I buy them and I put them out

1:52:35.800 --> 1:52:36.360
<v Speaker 1>for display.

1:52:36.479 --> 1:52:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, this isn't a friend, this is someone I follow

1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:39.879
<v Speaker 2>on the internet.

1:52:40.040 --> 1:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, but you know, I'm just saying I don't

1:52:41.960 --> 1:52:45.240
<v Speaker 1>read everybody's books that I like. Someone Will I'm friends

1:52:45.240 --> 1:52:46.400
<v Speaker 1>with will be like, well, you know that part in

1:52:46.439 --> 1:52:48.640
<v Speaker 1>my book and I'm like, yes, I do, tell me,

1:52:48.840 --> 1:52:51.920
<v Speaker 1>remind me because I can't read everybody's book.

1:52:51.920 --> 1:52:53.760
<v Speaker 3>As I said, I think I've read three books since

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<v Speaker 3>I hade kids.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, should we scooch on over to our what

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<v Speaker 1>would Sister Peg do for this week? This is our

1:53:00.960 --> 1:53:04.280
<v Speaker 1>weekly segment where we give you guys, point you to

1:53:04.320 --> 1:53:08.599
<v Speaker 1>an organization, a book, a blog post, a blog post

1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:11.559
<v Speaker 1>like it's two thousand and one, no like a article,

1:53:11.600 --> 1:53:13.599
<v Speaker 1>a podcast, episodes, something to give you more info about

1:53:13.600 --> 1:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>what we talked about this week. And obviously I felt

1:53:16.160 --> 1:53:19.360
<v Speaker 1>for the children in this episode who were part of

1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:23.479
<v Speaker 1>this extremely fucked up family, and so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>point you guys to the Zero Abuse Project. The goal

1:53:26.240 --> 1:53:28.360
<v Speaker 1>of this group is to eliminate child sexual abuse in

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<v Speaker 1>all of its forms. They provide organizational education and training,

1:53:32.560 --> 1:53:34.479
<v Speaker 1>as well as support for victims. They also work on

1:53:34.520 --> 1:53:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the advocacy level in an attempt to create systemic legal change.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw on their board they got a ton of lawyers,

1:53:40.200 --> 1:53:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and I like that. Their strategy is to work with

1:53:42.800 --> 1:53:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a holistic approach, recognizing that child sexual abuse also intersects

1:53:46.160 --> 1:53:49.679
<v Speaker 1>with child maltreatment. So for more info or to donate,

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<v Speaker 1>head over to Zero Abuse Project dot org and that

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for that, and sorry, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I was really monotony.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I was. That was a flop. That was a flop.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week's episode we'll be doing Snitch from season nine,

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