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Speaker 2: Kurt Warner, NFL MVP, and Super Bowl Champ. A little

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Speaker 2: bit later on Brian Winnhorst on a couple of NBA items,

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Speaker 2: including Yannis, and Jannis got injured in the first quarter

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Speaker 2: of the game last night and then didn't come back,

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Speaker 2: but they're hoping he wants to come back to Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: for the long haul. But Wendy brought this up at

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Speaker 2: the start of the year that Jannis had expressed an

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Speaker 2: interest in being traded to the nick So Whendy, you

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Speaker 2: will join us. There's been a lot of talk about,

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Speaker 2: you know, where Yannis is going to go. I think

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Speaker 2: he turns thirty one tomorrow or the next day. But

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Speaker 2: you know, when you look at a franchise and you

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Speaker 2: think you got it set up, you think you did

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Speaker 2: it right, and you know, I can give you credit

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Speaker 2: for boldness, but the league is too deep and too

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Speaker 2: competitive to sit still and just say, oh, we got

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Speaker 2: draft picks and we're going to grow. Aggression cuts both ways.

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Speaker 2: When it works, you get to hang banners. When it doesn't,

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Speaker 2: it's a disaster Milwaukee with the Dame Lillard big swing

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Speaker 2: and miss and that was exposure that was supposed to

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Speaker 2: extend a championship window. Instead, the Bucks under five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Dame Lillard's gone, and now Jannis reportedly asking out how

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Speaker 2: about the Clippers. They spent years flipping picks prospects, and

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Speaker 2: you know they wanted to have a veteran super team.

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Speaker 2: They're six and sixteen, no first round pick on the horizon,

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Speaker 2: and a harsh reminder what happens when that bill finally

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Speaker 2: comes due. You also have Dallas, the Mavericks. They empty

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Speaker 2: future draft picks, they build around Luca, then they trade Luca.

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Speaker 2: They bring in an aging, injury prone big man. They're

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Speaker 2: eight and fifteen. You take a swing, you take a miss,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes it can hurt a franchise for a long

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Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paulin twenty twenty one, the Milwaukee Bucks in the

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Speaker 3: NBA finals, Mike Budenholzer. Two years later they have a

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Speaker 3: first round exit and they fire him. And it's one

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Speaker 3: of those situations where your expectations get heightened and you

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Speaker 3: get rid of the person who caused those expectations to happen,

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Speaker 3: and you have.

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Speaker 2: A window of opportunity here, and they thought bringing in

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Speaker 2: a guy who can help in the pick and roll

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Speaker 2: with Jannis with Dame Lillard, but it didn't work out

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Speaker 2: the way it was scripted. And now Dame is done

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Speaker 2: and Joannis could be as well. But this is what

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Speaker 2: you don't want to do. If you're Milwaukee, you don't go, now,

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Speaker 2: who could we trade him to? Okay? Once you go

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Speaker 2: to the Knicks, how about we bring in Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 2: That's not an answer. That would not solve the problem here.

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Speaker 2: If you're Milwaukee, then can you get X number first

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Speaker 2: round picks for Joannis? I mean, Oklahoma City doesn't have

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Speaker 2: enough roster spots for all of the draft picks they're

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Speaker 2: going to have. What if you said to and Okasee

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Speaker 2: can say, well, we won a title without him. Right now,

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Speaker 2: we're twenty one and one, we don't need him. But

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Speaker 2: if you think about it, if you're OKAYC you got

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Speaker 2: three picks in the first fifteen this year, right now,

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Speaker 2: what if you said, we'll give you these three first

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Speaker 2: round picks and maybe a player two and you bring

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Speaker 2: in Yanis at age thirty one? To me, that would

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Speaker 2: be intriguing from Milwaukee's perspective. I don't know what Okac

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Speaker 2: would think about this, but you bring Janis in with

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Speaker 2: that group, and you don't want to mess with chemistry

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Speaker 2: as much as we like to go, oh well, man,

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Speaker 2: imagine that you put an All star on that team

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Speaker 2: and you've got great chemistry obviously. But other teams that

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Speaker 2: are mentioned San Antonio Spurs pairing him with Victor Wenden Yama, Okay,

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Speaker 2: the Rockets names just another team that's come up. So

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of teams that would

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Speaker 2: be interested. The Miami Heat, they seem to come up,

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Speaker 2: you know all the time when it comes to trades,

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Speaker 2: potential trades. But we'll talk to Wendy about that that

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Speaker 2: what can you get in return? Because you got to

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Speaker 2: think of it two ways. It's we always think of

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Speaker 2: the player going to the team, and you go, yes,

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Speaker 2: but what about the team who's giving up that star player.

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Speaker 2: It's like Luca, you know, we celebrated man, he's going

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Speaker 2: to the Lakers. Good for the Lakers, And I go, okay,

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Speaker 2: what's Dallas getting? And that's the bad part of the deal.

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Speaker 2: If you would have said that they got a couple

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Speaker 2: of players you could build on and that we're younger,

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Speaker 2: then you go, okay, I kind of get it. But

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Speaker 2: Anthony Davis and then you have a GM and goes, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, you win with defense. Yeah, if the guy's

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Speaker 2: healthy enough to play defense, then maybe you do. But

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Speaker 2: you did get to an NBA Finals with a guy

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Speaker 2: who was out of shape, and now he goes to

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Speaker 2: the Lakers. It's what do you get in return? That's

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Speaker 2: what I would want to know. You know, if I'm

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Speaker 2: the Knicks and I can get Jannis, hell ya, you

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Speaker 2: gotta win a title. I mean, it's been a long

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Speaker 2: long time since you won a title. So now you

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Speaker 2: get a chance to put Brunson with Jannis. Okay, now,

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Speaker 2: I know you're gonna give up you know, players, But

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Speaker 2: what I mean you get an opportunity to get a

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Speaker 2: guy like this, And yes, it might be a window

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Speaker 2: of three years or four years to win that title.

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Speaker 2: But the Celtics are down this year, like now is

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Speaker 2: the year to take advantage of that. With no Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 2: I mean, who are you going against Detroit, Miami? Indiana

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Speaker 2: doesn't have Halliburton, So take advantage of the window of opportunity,

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Speaker 2: certainly in the East, to get to the NBA Finals. Yes, Marvin,

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Speaker 4: My issue is when the Knicks get eliminated if they

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Speaker 4: get Yannis because they don't have enough depth. It's because

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Speaker 4: you traded Karl Anthony Towns, Josh Hart, Landry Shammitt, Deuce McBride.

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Speaker 4: That's how you win an NBA championship. That's how the Bucks,

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Speaker 4: that's how the Nuggets were an NBA championship. That's how

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Speaker 4: a thunder win NBA championship with depth. Johannis and Brunson

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Speaker 4: aren't gonna win an NBA title just with them and

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Speaker 4: just a bunch of guys.

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Speaker 2: So that's my only you think they're Do you think

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Speaker 2: they're winning a title with Karl Anthony Towns and Jalen

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Speaker 2: Brunson and Landry Shammant.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they won a title eat away, Josh

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Speaker 4: ar Okay, Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things though.

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Speaker 3: When I think about Giannis, I think it was two

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Speaker 3: years ago he signed a three year, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty six million dollar extension, and it is right after

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Speaker 3: they went out and got Lillard to convince him to stay.

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Speaker 3: It'll almost be sad if he leaves the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: They had it.

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Speaker 3: They had an international superstar for a long time and

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Speaker 3: and they're not going to keep him the whole way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gave them a title, right.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's more about what they could have done

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Speaker 3: for the second half of his career and a series

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Speaker 3: of missteps, which I don't think people criticize a Lillard

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Speaker 3: acquisition at the time.

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Speaker 2: You look back with different view of it. Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: we looked at Milwaukee and we said their best, second

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Speaker 2: best player would be Chris Middleton or Drew Holliday. At

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Speaker 2: the time, with Dame Lillard, you were getting, you know,

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Speaker 2: a sniper. You were getting an elite score to take

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Speaker 2: the pressure off Jannis.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Like I don't think the Dame move was a

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Speaker 5: bad idea. It just didn't work. There's no reason that

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Speaker 5: on paper it wouldn't have been perfect. It just for

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Speaker 5: some reason, it just didn't click. But I don't think

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Speaker 5: it was a bad idea necessarily.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a great swing. But you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm not the GM, I'm not part of the fan base,

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Speaker 2: and I can only see it from my perspective. And

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Speaker 2: I thought, okay, because I thought, you know, there's these

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Speaker 2: teams in the East were loading up and you had

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Speaker 2: to do something as well. Chris Middleton's a good player,

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Speaker 2: Drew Holliday, really good player. Dame gave you something a

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Speaker 2: little bit more, it just didn't work out. And now

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Speaker 2: Jannis is looking around, going, we're not winning anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: I may not get another opportunity to play and win.

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Speaker 2: And you can tell when he plays, he plays hard,

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Speaker 2: he plays with passion, and I think it's hard to

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Speaker 2: accept losing, because at some point in your career, when

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Speaker 2: you play in your on losing teams, you have to

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Speaker 2: kind of accept that you may lose tonight. And that's

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Speaker 2: hard to do because most of these guys come from

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Speaker 2: programs where they don't lose.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: I remember players from Duke would go to the NBA.

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Speaker 2: They'd lose more games in two weeks. You know, Christian Latner,

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Speaker 2: he'd lose more games in two weeks than he did

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Speaker 2: in you know, his entire senior year. But I think

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Speaker 2: that's the part that you have to factor in. Jannis

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Speaker 2: wants to be mentioned with Luca, with Joker, he wants

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Speaker 2: to be mentioned with SGA. He wants to be and

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Speaker 2: he's not. You know, it's almost out of sight, out

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Speaker 2: of mind. And he's having another great season. He puts

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Speaker 2: up incredible numbers, but we've gotten to that point where

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Speaker 2: we go, Okay, you know you average thirty and you

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Speaker 2: average twelve. Oh yeah, ever you know six, yes, Morvin.

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Speaker 4: And now Giannis is playing for something different than being

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Speaker 4: the best player in the game. He's playing for a

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Speaker 4: top ten all time spot now with his numbers. And

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Speaker 4: you can't be an Al Theimer at least a top

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Speaker 4: ten all timer without more than one ring. So he's

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Speaker 4: playing for more than just the best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, I went back and looked it up quickly

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Speaker 3: because you mentioned late in there. In four years at Duke,

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Speaker 3: he lost twenty six games as a rookie with the Timberwolves.

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Speaker 3: In ninety two he lost sixty three games.

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Speaker 2: Steat of the day, Oh thank you day bonus the

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Speaker 2: day stat.

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Speaker 6: Of the Day? What Stat of the Day?

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Speaker 2: Top Bob Brought to you by Panini America, the official

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Speaker 2: trading cords to the Dan Patrick Show. NBA title odds

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Speaker 2: As of this morning, it's the Thunder overwhelmingly followed by

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Speaker 2: the Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers, Calves, Nicks, and then the Pistons.

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Speaker 2: You're looking at the West Thunder, Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers, four

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Speaker 2: best odds to win the title. Then you have the Cabs, Knicks,

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Speaker 2: and Pistons. If you're Detroit and you added Jannis, I

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Speaker 2: mean that's a good team. I don't know who you

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Speaker 2: have to give up. But Detroit has become a really

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Speaker 2: good team, and we saw them be a tough out

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs last year. The Knicks, well, you want

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Speaker 2: to get clicks. Talk about the Knicks and getting Janis

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Speaker 2: as well. I'm sure the Lakers are going to be

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Speaker 2: interested in Jannis. I saw that yesterday and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: are you giving up Luca?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 2: Who you get Austin Reeves? And I don't know how

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Speaker 2: many draft picks. I don't think they have too many

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Speaker 2: draft picks here to give up. But I did see

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Speaker 2: that there was also and I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: true or not, but was Golden State interested in Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they were in Yannis last year because I

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Speaker 2: had heard that from somebody affiliated with Golden State and

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Speaker 2: they even said, hey, we're trying to kick tires on Yannis.

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Speaker 2: But once again, Wendy had the story and he said

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Speaker 2: the Knicks that was the place that he thought Jannis

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Speaker 2: was gonna want to go. If he was able to

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Speaker 2: be traded, all right, that'll be coming up poll question today?

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Speaker 9: we're talking about with Justin Herbert, or a toughness to

437
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Speaker 9: standing in the pocket and you know, and delivering a throw,

438
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Speaker 9: you know, to the last second when you're getting hit.

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Speaker 6: There's a level of toughness.

440
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Speaker 9: That I go, Okay, I want my quarterback to be

441
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Speaker 9: tough in that way. But I probably would say overall,

442
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 9: you know, less people are gonna worry about us being tough,

443
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 9: and more people are gonna worry about us being smart.

444
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Speaker 9: I want a smart quarterback that makes good decisions. That's

445
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Speaker 9: out there and available to his team and gives them

446
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Speaker 9: chances to win every time out. Although I do understand

447
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Speaker 9: the idea of toughness, I just don't need it. When

448
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 9: you know, when you can run out of bounds or

449
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 9: you can gain two more yards, I don't need you

450
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Speaker 9: to take that big hit. I don't need you, you know,

451
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Speaker 9: to run through a defender instead of slide. I don't

452
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Speaker 9: look at quarterbacks, you know when I watch film and go,

453
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Speaker 9: oh geez, you know, I wish I had that guy

454
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Speaker 9: that was running.

455
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Speaker 6: Through a linebacker. No, I'm like, slide, slide, be smart

456
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Speaker 6: and get back up and help your team. Yeah.

457
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Speaker 2: That was my point is you're going to get a yard.

458
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Speaker 2: What does it matter. You're coming off concussion protocol, you

459
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: got two wins on the season. Get out of bounds.

460
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Speaker 2: You guys can build on something. You have something here

461
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: in the embryonic stages. I don't need to show you know,

462
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: play all seventeen games. If you survive seventeen regular season games,

463
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Speaker 2: you're tough. You don't need to tell me show me

464
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Speaker 2: you're tough. That will tell me.

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Speaker 9: Just there the availability, and I think, you know, we

466
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Speaker 9: could go back to another Giants quarterback in Eli Manning,

467
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Speaker 9: and you know Eli, there were times that he was

468
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Speaker 9: going to just go down, like, hey, if the play

469
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Speaker 9: was over, I'm just gonna fall down in the pocket.

470
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Speaker 9: And he became known as a tough quarterback why because

471
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Speaker 9: he was never out Like he played so many games

472
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Speaker 9: in a row for the Giants and it was like,

473
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Speaker 9: that's what we want, is the guy that's going to

474
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Speaker 9: be out there and play.

475
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Speaker 6: And so he understood when the play was over.

476
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Speaker 9: And there's no doubt that people get excited and your

477
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Speaker 9: sideline gets excited if your quarterback runs over a linebacker,

478
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Speaker 9: you know, down the field. I understand that aspect of things,

479
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 9: but I think you're one hundred percent ride is that

480
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 9: more importantly, your team wants you, if you're the leader

481
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Speaker 9: and if you're the guy to be out there ever

482
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Speaker 9: snap and they're not going to worry about you sliding

483
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Speaker 9: or falling down every once in a while as long

484
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Speaker 9: as you do the things that your team needs you

485
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Speaker 9: to do on a weekly base.

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Speaker 2: Help me understand from your perspective as a Hall of

487
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Speaker 2: Famer Drake May's development and contrasts that with Caleb Williams development.

488
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Speaker 2: Because the Bears are playing well I don't think they're

489
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Speaker 2: playing well because because of Caleb Williams. Where the Patriots

490
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Speaker 2: are playing well, and I believe that is in large

491
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Speaker 2: part to Drake May.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean, I feel like Drake played well

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Speaker 9: last year, but I feel he's in a system that

494
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Speaker 9: really fits what he does as a quarterback. I think

495
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Speaker 9: Josh McDaniels does a great job of designing plays. It's

496
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Speaker 9: what I call full field plays, where it's drop back,

497
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Speaker 9: read the coverage. When you know what the coverage is,

498
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Speaker 9: I've got a concept that can attack that coverage and

499
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Speaker 9: you just have to get your eyes there, read it,

500
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Speaker 9: and it speeds up the game for Drake May because

501
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Speaker 9: he's really good at doing those things and so the

502
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Speaker 9: system really fits who he is. And when you talk

503
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Speaker 9: about development, that to me is the first step in development.

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Speaker 9: Do you have a play designer, a play caller that

505
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Speaker 9: sees the game like the quarterback sees the game like

506
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Speaker 9: You can have a lot of really good plays in

507
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Speaker 9: an offense, but if it doesn't connect to how the

508
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Speaker 9: quarterback plays the game, it makes the game harder and

509
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Speaker 9: they're not comfortable with what they're doing every snap. I

510
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 9: believe they've got a great comfort level together to go

511
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Speaker 9: along with the way Drake is throwing the football. I

512
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 9: mean it's like effortless, it's easy, his ability to throw

513
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Speaker 9: the ball down the field. But I think Josh has

514
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Speaker 9: really sped up those reads for him so he can

515
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Speaker 9: play fast, know what he wants to do with the football,

516
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Speaker 9: and that just makes him more confident. On the other side,

517
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Speaker 9: with Caleb, I think Caleb is a guy that you know,

518
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Speaker 9: hasn't had to process information as much as maybe a

519
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Speaker 9: Drake may or some other quarterbacks. He's been a guy

520
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Speaker 9: that been able to rely on the athleticism. You know,

521
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Speaker 9: we watched him in college. You can make all the throws,

522
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Speaker 9: but he would buy a lot of time and he

523
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Speaker 9: would create because he was more comfortable with that. And

524
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Speaker 9: so what's happened is he's got to the NFL is

525
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Speaker 9: We're trying and everybody's trying. Ben's trying to get him

526
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Speaker 9: to play more conventional quarterback, go through his reads, his progressions,

527
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Speaker 9: stay in the pocket, and it's a battle for him.

528
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Speaker 9: It's a battle for him right now to change the

529
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Speaker 9: way that he's played the game. He's gotten better at

530
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Speaker 9: it from last year to this year. Last year wasn't

531
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Speaker 9: processing very fast, holding onto the football, you know, almost

532
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 9: too much, and taking too many sacks. This year he's

533
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Speaker 9: gotten better with those things, but still not there yet

534
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Speaker 9: where I believe it's a comfort level for him to go, oh,

535
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Speaker 9: I got this one, two, three, and work through those

536
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 9: things and feel comfortable in that place. So that's where

537
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Speaker 9: when you talk about the process of the two of them.

538
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 9: Drake more comfortable in that setting through college and where

539
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 9: he's at now. Caleb not as comfortable, but working through

540
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Speaker 9: it and fighting through it. And so he's gotten much

541
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Speaker 9: better from last year, but still has a ways to

542
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Speaker 9: go in that arena. And I think as he gets

543
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 9: more comfortable, he'll also get more accurate. That's the other

544
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 9: part of it is Drake has been extremely accurate throwing

545
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Speaker 9: the football.

546
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Speaker 6: Caleb is not. Caleb's made a lot.

547
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Speaker 9: Of big, explosive plays, but he's also a lot of layups,

548
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 9: and I think a lot of that comes with knowing

549
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Speaker 9: exactly what you want to do with the football, being

550
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 9: comfortable with that, and then being able that a read.

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Speaker 2: This may sound strange, but it just came to my mind.

552
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Speaker 2: Can you have too much talent as a quarterback?

553
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Speaker 6: Well?

554
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Speaker 9: I think a lot of talent I say this, Dan,

555
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 9: and I didn't have this, so I'm just speculating like

556
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 9: everybody else. But yeah, I do believe the more talent

557
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 9: and the more skills and gifts you have, the more

558
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Speaker 9: it's going to kind of open up the possibilities of

559
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 9: what you could do on every play. You know, that

560
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 9: the throws that you could make, the ability to be

561
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 9: creative instead of staying in the pockets, you know, those

562
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 9: sorts of things I think open up more possibilities for

563
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Speaker 9: a guy like me. There was one possibility you're going

564
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Speaker 9: to stand in the pocket, You're going to read the

565
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 9: coverage and you're gonna have to throw it to the

566
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Speaker 9: right guy, and so it simplified things for me from

567
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Speaker 9: that standpoint. I've all always wondered how an athletic quarterback

568
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 9: decides when it's time to run, like when is it

569
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Speaker 9: time to take off as opposed to staying in your progressions,

570
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 9: you know, and even forcing that issue. You know, I've

571
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 9: talked a lot about it that I believe, you know,

572
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 9: athletic quarterbacks, we've got more and more of them now.

573
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Speaker 6: They kind of grow up not being forced to learn.

574
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Speaker 9: How to read the field or read defenses and progress

575
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 9: through their reads. Their you know, their coach, drop back,

576
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 9: see if your first guy's open. If he's not, go

577
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 9: create a play for us. And so that becomes their

578
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 9: norm more and more and more. And these guys are

579
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Speaker 9: such great athletes they get further and further and further

580
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 9: in their careers without having to learn the opposite. So,

581
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 9: like with Caleb Williams, now we're getting into the NFL

582
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Speaker 9: level against the best players in the world and we're saying, hey,

583
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Speaker 9: now you have to change the way you've always played,

584
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 9: and you've got to learn to process better, and you've

585
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 9: got to learn to stay in the pocket, and I

586
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 9: mean that's got to be a really hard thing to do.

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Speaker 6: So to your point, the more skills you have, the more.

588
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Speaker 9: You and I don't even want want to say get

589
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 9: away with, the more things you can do on a

590
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 9: given play through the majority of your career. And then

591
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Speaker 9: when we try to find tune that and say we

592
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Speaker 9: can't do this as much anymore, and you can't do

593
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Speaker 9: this as much anymore, it's always going to be I

594
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Speaker 9: think a struggle for those guys for at least a period,

595
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Speaker 9: and then it leads the question can they ever get

596
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Speaker 9: to maybe the point we want them to get to

597
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Speaker 9: in terms of, hey, you got to be able to

598
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Speaker 9: process and create at the same type of level. I

599
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Speaker 9: think that's really hard and we don't see a lot

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Speaker 9: of guys that can do that.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 9: Lamar Jackson is one of the guys that I think

603
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Speaker 9: does that really well. Josh Allen has shown at times

604
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Speaker 9: he can do that really well. But I think that's

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Speaker 9: a tough dynamic to fight for these guys that are

606
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Speaker 9: just incredible athletes for the majority.

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Speaker 6: Of their lives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I always bring this up because it's not

609
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Speaker 2: necessarily Michael Vick or Kyler Murray. Steve Young was like this.

610
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Speaker 2: Steve Young said, Hey, I had one read, not there,

611
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Speaker 2: I'm running and then all of a sudden, Bill Walsh

612
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Speaker 2: is like, what are you doing? Stay in the pocket,

613
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Speaker 2: go through your progressions. And he became a Hall of

614
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Speaker 2: Fame quarterback because of that. He had the ability to

615
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: be able to extend plays. But Bill Walsh would say,

616
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Speaker 2: will you stop doing that, go through your progressions. You've

617
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: got great receivers, and he became one of the most

618
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Speaker 2: accurate quarterbacks in NFL history.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it makes the game easy.

620
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Speaker 9: You want the offense to work for you, Like I

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Speaker 9: still think even with some of these great athletes, and

622
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Speaker 9: maybe Lamar is the exception, but it's hard to win

623
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Speaker 9: games in the NFL week in and week out, trying

624
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Speaker 9: to be athletic. You're trying to run around it and

625
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Speaker 9: make plays. You've got to allow the game where the

626
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Speaker 9: offense and it.

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Speaker 2: We lost you, We lost your connection there. We can

628
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Speaker 2: see you, we can't hear you. That's weird.

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Speaker 5: How often does that happen? It is the audio and

630
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Speaker 5: not the video often. Yeah, Kurt, we'll catch up with you,

631
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Speaker 5: but thank you.

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Speaker 2: NBA writer. How did we get to this point? Ryan?

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Speaker 8: had trade talks. And I know what Doc River said yesterday, said,

654
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 8: Giannist didn't ask to be traded. Okay, he may not

655
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 8: have said those words. I promise you the Bucks it

656
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 8: wasn't their idea, okay. And I know that it caught

657
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 8: the Knicks by surprise, Dan. And you know how I know,

658
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 8: because like two weeks before, they signed Michale Bridges to

659
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 8: a contract extension, a really good contract extension, nice one.

660
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 8: And it's not that they wouldn't have signed him or

661
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 8: that they absolutely were going to trade him in that deal,

662
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 8: but once you signed him to that, you can't trade

663
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 8: him for six months. So if you were thought that

664
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 8: you were about to potentially enter a very important negotiation.

665
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 8: You wouldn't take one of those guys off the table.

666
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 8: So I think it caught the Knicks off guard too,

667
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 8: And so what I think happened was it was honest

668
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 8: his idea. Now you can bring people on here and

669
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 8: have them testify or whatever. It's fine. The talks took place, okay.

670
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 8: And the important thing is Jannis watched what the Bucks

671
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 8: did over the summer, which was do this crazy move.

672
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 8: It was a two hundred million dollar move. They cut Dame,

673
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 8: making one hundred million dollars in dead money, and then

674
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 8: they signed Miles Turner for one hundred million. So they

675
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 8: took one hundred million dollar problem, which was a player

676
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 8: in his thirties recovered from Achilles, and they made it

677
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 8: a two hundred dollar investment for a Miles Turner, who

678
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 8: is a quality player, just helped the team to get

679
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 8: to the finals, excellent, a high quality role player, but

680
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 8: not a star player. He saw those moves and then

681
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 8: he said, I have some interest in becoming a Nick. Okay.

682
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 8: So that happened, and it didn't come out until October.

683
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 8: And at that point, Jannis, they had signed his two brothers,

684
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 8: you know, and Janness was playing for the Bucks and everything,

685
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 8: but like that was a real indication of what y

686
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 8: where Yannis's head was at. Here's the other thing. Yannis's

687
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 8: family moved to Greece. If you know anything about Yannis,

688
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 8: the family is extraordinarily important to him. It's one of

689
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 8: the reasons why the Bucks have signed his two brothers,

690
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 8: because they know how important it is to have his

691
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 8: family with him. That he sent his fam He might

692
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 8: have had ten reasons to send his family to Greece,

693
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 8: but again, these are actions that you're looking at going

694
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 8: you know, So what the league is wondering is knowing

695
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 8: what happened in the summer, knowing about the other stuff,

696
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 8: knowing that the team is not doing well, although they

697
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 8: had their best win of the year last night they

698
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 8: beat the Pistons without Yanis. Will Janis actually go forward

699
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 8: and say, Okay, I wanted to because I don't think

700
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 8: the Bucks are going to get there Dan, because the

701
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 8: Bucks are so mortgaged and so deeply invested in keeping him,

702
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 8: and I actually don't blame them. And so that's really

703
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 8: what the question is is will Yannis take the next

704
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 8: step besides the saber rattling that he's.

705
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: Done before why the Knicks?

706
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 8: Good question, you know, he he really, you know, in

707
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 8: all of the all of the discussions from Jannis and

708
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 8: from John Horst, their general manager and doc, no one

709
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 8: denied those talks took place. The Knicks certainly didn't deny it.

710
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 8: And I thought, I know that they happened. And you know,

711
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 8: I will say that if you were in a vacuum

712
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 8: choosing where to go, you would want to go to

713
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 8: the Eastern Conference. You know, I think you know, you

714
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 8: know you we want to stay East. And so if

715
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 8: you looked at the Eastern Conference and you said, well,

716
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 8: where would I want to be as a player, where

717
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 8: do I think I can you know, make a big impact?

718
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 8: Where could we win right away? Like New York rises

719
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 8: to the top. You could make some cases for some

720
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 8: other teams, you know, Miami for example, you know, maybe Atlanta,

721
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 8: maybe Boston. All that that type of trade would be

722
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 8: a lot more complicated. But like you know, if you

723
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 8: go through that process, I could see how you know,

724
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 8: Toronto would be as it would be an interesting team.

725
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 8: Now that's actually kind of an interesting team because you know,

726
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 8: you know, national players seem to like Toronto. But I

727
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 8: think you know, in August, I think New York made

728
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 8: some sense, and it may not have made some sense

729
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 8: from what the Knicks were in position to trade at

730
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 8: the time. And I certainly don't think the Bucks were

731
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 8: motivated to do it, like they probably wanted everything the

732
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 8: Knicks could possibly offer before they would even get mildly interested.

733
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 8: But that's the other question is if Jannis does so

734
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 8: that There's really three questions that have been involved on

735
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 8: my phone for the last twenty four hours. One, will

736
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 8: Jannis actually go to the point where he says I

737
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 8: want to be traded because he hasn't gotten to that

738
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 8: point yet or before. Two, if he does get traded,

739
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 8: will the list be longer than the Knicks than it

740
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 8: was just a one team thing over the summer? And Three,

741
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 8: if Yannis has a let's let's say there's three teams,

742
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 8: let's say there's six teams, whatever, do the Bucks have

743
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 8: to do business with just his list? Because he does

744
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 8: have one year left on his contract plus a player option,

745
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 8: so next year you'd be faced with having Giannis in

746
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 8: a walk year. So typically in that situation, you would

747
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 8: if you were trading for a guy, you'd want to

748
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 8: know he is staying, especially if you're given a lot

749
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 8: of stuff for him. But it's funny Dan, As I've

750
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 8: talked to people in the league, people don't necessarily think

751
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 8: that would necessarily be true with Yannis. So I'm not sure.

752
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 8: But those are the three questions and the topics that

753
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 8: are going around the league right now.

754
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm guessing Brunson would be off limits with the Knicks.

755
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: That'd be the only guy that'd be off limits.

756
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 8: I would advise them. I haven't. I don't have insight

757
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 8: on I don't have insight on that, but I would do.

758
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: So.

759
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 8: The challenge with the Knicks is they really don't have

760
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 8: meaningful draft assets to give. Some of these other teams

761
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 8: we could mention have their own draft picks, and other

762
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 8: teams draft picks that they can offer. The Knicks don't

763
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 8: have draft picks, so you would have to make it

764
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 8: a player based trade. And here's the thing about the

765
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 8: Bucks that's important to understand the Bucks, and this is

766
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 8: this sort of backs up why they've double triple quaudripled down.

767
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 8: They don't control I think their next three or four drafts.

768
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 8: They've either traded the pick away or they've traded the

769
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 8: swap away. Certainly this year and next year, I know

770
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 8: for sure, I think even twenty eight two.

771
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: And so when you're in.

772
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 8: That position, you really can't enter into a trade thinking, well,

773
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 8: we're gonna rebuild because you don't control your pick. And

774
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 8: there's a few teams in the NBA right now who

775
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 8: are in bad shape but don't control their pick, and

776
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 8: they're in hell. And so Milwaukee would probably have if

777
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 8: they you know, Milwaukee's probably doesn't want this to happen

778
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 8: at all, but if they get to the point they

779
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 8: have to trade them, they're probably going to look to

780
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 8: make a player based trade or the draft asks that

781
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 8: that they're gonna get are going to be third part teams.

782
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 8: In other words, if you do a team with if

783
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 8: you do a deal with the team that you're trading

784
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 8: Giannis to you and you're getting their picks for the next

785
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 8: couple of years, that's not that exciting because that team

786
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 8: stayed going to be good. If that team has a

787
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 8: third team's picks, yeah, you'd be interested in that so

788
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 8: that it doesn't rely on your performance or that team

789
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 8: with Giannis's performance. But now you're threading a needle. So

790
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 8: that's another reason why New York would make some sense.

791
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 8: They have some players that the Bucks could get that

792
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 8: would help them retrofit their team.

793
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm talking to Brian win Horst, ESPN, senior

794
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: NBA writer, help me understand the Chris Paul situation of

795
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: why it had to happen on the road in Atlanta.

796
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 8: Well, that seems crazy, you know, And one of the

797
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 8: things that Lawrence Frank So, first off, Lawrence Frank had

798
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 8: this press conference yesterday the general manager of the President.

799
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 8: I think it's the president is its title, And first off,

800
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 8: he said, puts all the blame on me, which maybe

801
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 8: Lawrence wanted to do it, but I promise you it

802
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 8: was not only him who wanted to do it, but

803
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 8: doing it the way they did it. He said that

804
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 8: they made the decision on Sunday. Dan, Okay, let's just

805
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 8: let's just take that for the truth. Why was he

806
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 8: in Miami on Monday. They're starting a long road trip

807
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 8: and you know, Lawrence explained that the reason this happened

808
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 8: in the middle of the night was because their flight

809
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 8: was delayed by five hours, which it was. They didn't

810
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 8: land in Atlanta Airport until nine thirty. You know how

811
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 8: long it is to get from Atlanta Airport to downtown.

812
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 8: It doesn't take five minutes. They met at eleven o'clock.

813
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 8: In the meeting went several hours. So why do you

814
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 8: do it at eleven o'clock? You know, I don't you know?

815
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 8: So like the actual functionality of the way they handled

816
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 8: it is wretched the decision. You've been around sports for

817
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 8: a long time. When you have a player who is

818
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 8: very vocal, who all of a sudden has a small role,

819
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 8: it doesn't work. Chris Paul's whole career, he's been very vocal.

820
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 8: He's been vocal with the officials, He's been vocal with

821
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 8: his coach, the opposing coach. He's been vocal with the

822
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 8: opposing star player, with his star play, with his role players.

823
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 8: Imagine what he says off the court. You can just

824
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 8: see what he says on the court. And when you're

825
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 8: the star player and the point guard and you're playing

826
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 8: all eighty two games and your team is competing for

827
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 8: conference titles or whatever, that's one thing. When you're doing

828
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 8: that and the team is sinking and you're of a

829
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 8: much smaller role, it doesn't work. I knew this twenty

830
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 8: years ago when I started the NBA. This is a

831
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 8: bit of a classic case situation. And you could say well,

832
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 8: then why the Clippers bring him in knowing that he

833
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 8: would have a small role and that this was possible.

834
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 8: That's fair And I would just say that of the

835
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 8: Clippers miscalculations this season, it's on the list, But there's

836
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 8: a long list of Clippers' miscalculations so far.

837
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: When do you feel like we'll get a true sense

838
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: of le Bron's role with the Lakers? If is he

839
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: a third option now? And you know, I guess the

840
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: future of how long does he want to play, feel

841
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: like he can play and being a maybe a third

842
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: option for the Lakers and what role that plays.

843
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 8: It's an interesting set of circumstances. It's happened because I

844
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 8: thought Lebron was awesome last year. He was second team

845
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 8: All NBA. I thought he looked great. You know, the

846
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 8: Lakers had a disappointing end of the season. There was

847
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 8: a bad matchup for them with Minnesota. But I thought

848
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 8: that they really achieved in the regular season. They got

849
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 8: the three seed. I mean, I know, the difference between

850
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 8: the three and the six was really tight, but they

851
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 8: got it. And you know, people were saying to me,

852
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 8: why do you think this is it for Lebron? And

853
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 8: I'm like, no, like look at him. He's still one

854
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 8: of the top ten to fifteen players in the league.

855
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 8: And then a couple of things happened. First off, he

856
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 8: had two injuries dan So he sprained his knee in

857
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 8: the last playoff against the Wolves. In fact, had they

858
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 8: extended that series, I don't know if he could have played.

859
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 8: He missed training, he was out for weeks. He had

860
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 8: He's never missed a playoff game in all you know,

861
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 8: twenty years in the playoffs, He's never missed a playoff game.

862
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 8: I'm not sure you've been been able to play in

863
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 8: the next game. So he had this knee injury. Then

864
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 8: he hits the sciatica. So he has the most injured

865
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Speaker 8: offseason he's ever had, which maybe isn't a surprise at

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Speaker 8: age forty, but it's still completely new. Also, they get Luca,

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Speaker 8: so Lebron was already having a great season. Lebron played

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Speaker 8: well when Luca after Luca got there, but the Luca

869
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Speaker 8: thing happens. Then he has the injuries. Okay, so these

870
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Speaker 8: are two things that we've never seen. We've never seen

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Speaker 8: him not be the a one A guy on his team.

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Speaker 8: We've never seen him have off season injuries. Before then

873
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Speaker 8: his team without him plays really really well. Absolutely never happened.

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Speaker 8: Maybe his team has been able to keep their knows

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Speaker 8: above water when he's been out, whether it's been for

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Speaker 8: you know, a week or a month, they've never achieved.

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Speaker 8: You've never looked at a team that has missed Lebron

878
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Speaker 8: for multiple games and gone, man, they're doing great. And

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Speaker 8: Austin Reeves is having a career year. So you've got

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Speaker 8: this series of circumstances that he's never experienced before, not

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Speaker 8: to mention not getting able to start a season, not

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Speaker 8: having to have a training camp, So we are in

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Speaker 8: completely unknown territory for him. It would be unknown territory

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Speaker 8: if any one of those things was true. Now the

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Speaker 8: whole menu is true. And by the way, he rejoins

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Speaker 8: the team as the number one score in the history

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Speaker 8: of the league. Where the two guys on his team

888
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Speaker 8: are in the top ten in scoring, Reeves and Luca

889
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Speaker 8: are like one in nine. I don't have even checked

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Speaker 8: it today. Maybe Reeves dropped a little bit, but when

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Speaker 8: he came back, I think they were one in eight.

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Speaker 8: So you're asking, you're this is a completely different situation

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Speaker 8: he's ever done, and the team's winning. You know you're

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Speaker 8: not coming in and boy, the team's struggling, and now

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Speaker 8: you got so I think he is absent, absolutely in

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Speaker 8: a little bit of the deep end of the pool

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Speaker 8: that he's never been in before. I mean, how long

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Speaker 8: has it been since Lebron's been in a situation that

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Speaker 8: he hasn't not only seen but mastered. So this is

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Speaker 8: awkward and he's showing his age. You know the other

901
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Speaker 8: night in that game was really a game where I

902
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Speaker 8: really looked thought Lebron looked like an older player for

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Speaker 8: the first time where he wasn't getting left. I mean

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Speaker 8: he had no rebounds, no steals, no blocks. That's never

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Speaker 8: happened in twenty three years, thousands of games. So you're

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Speaker 8: asking a really relevant question. I don't think anybody knows.

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Speaker 8: I think he's going through this day to day trying

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Speaker 8: to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Would you be more surprised if he played another year

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Speaker 2: or he retired at the end of this year?

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Speaker 8: I am. I thought, you know, even as recently as

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Speaker 8: last spring, he has years left. I was not entertaining

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Speaker 8: that this was going to be it regardless of the contract,

914
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Speaker 8: which as that's also something he's never experienced before. But

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Speaker 8: it's not really relevant. I don't think that's affecting his

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Speaker 8: day to day.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 8: I'm just I'm just in the middle of I don't know,

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Speaker 8: and I know it's an unsatisfactory answer, and I think

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Speaker 8: Lebron has pretty much said the same thing. He said,

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I think Rich Paul, his agent, has

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Speaker 8: said I don't know. I don't know. But that's that's

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Speaker 8: a departure from me because I was in the camp

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Speaker 8: of this guy could Tom Bradiot like I mean, and

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00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 8: he still could Tom Bradiot, but if you watched him

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Speaker 8: play last year, there's no way you said that's a

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Speaker 8: guy about to retire.

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Speaker 2: Wendy, thank you. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Have a good day.

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Speaker 2: That's Brian Windhorst.