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Speaker 1: He was born in Cameroon. What was what was Francis's

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Speaker 1: life like? In camera room?

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Speaker 2: He was very tough, very very tough. But I do

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Speaker 2: believe that that was my regardless of what happened. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if I have to go back, I swear to God

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Speaker 2: I would not choose that life, although I still believed

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Speaker 2: that it's still the best life that I could have

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Speaker 2: had as a kid. Even though I couldn't. I can't

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Speaker 2: choose that life. It was the best, best thing for

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Speaker 2: me that I needed.

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Speaker 1: Your your father was a street fighter? Is that kind

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Speaker 1: of what drove you to the m M A? I

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Speaker 1: Is that what I mean? Because I mean.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't he wasn't multiple staff, He wasn't only that aspect.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I love comeback like at.

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Speaker 1: My always you always, and as far as I.

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Speaker 2: Can remember, I always loved combat. You know, in uh

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Speaker 2: in Cameroon, the men's sport would be like soccer football,

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Speaker 2: and I was playing football because it's for us. It's

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Speaker 2: like culture, right, you know, like you don't have to

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Speaker 2: love football to play football.

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Speaker 3: It's like culture.

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Speaker 2: Staff everybody every kid played football, But it wasn't my thing.

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Speaker 3: My thing was fighting.

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Speaker 2: And I remember like I was asking kids around like Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's try this, let's try and this, play the back

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Speaker 2: up the bad guy and the good guy and this,

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Speaker 2: and like you're too violent?

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Speaker 1: You were? You were? You always the bigger kid for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I grew up around people that were like

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Speaker 2: three years older than me. You know, we were going

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Speaker 2: to school like I was three, three years younger, but

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Speaker 2: we were all the same s I until like maybe

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Speaker 2: the day that at school they have to read our

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Speaker 2: birthday and people will look at like, damn, there's a

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Speaker 2: baby in the class.

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Speaker 1: What the hell are you doing here? Right?

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Speaker 2: Like, because I was younger, but I was just as

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Speaker 2: big as any everyone, but they didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Right, how many brothers and sister do you have?

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Speaker 2: I have three brothers and one sister. I'm the second

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Speaker 2: olders and then second older and then my sister.

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Speaker 3: It is the fourth out of five.

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Speaker 1: So obviously in Cameroon, I'm assuming that you come from

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Speaker 1: a working class family that you guys had to work,

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Speaker 1: you work. If I'm not mistaken Salt as.

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Speaker 3: A child sun mind son Mary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think we were having a little below

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Speaker 2: the working okay.

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Speaker 1: Below that I don't quite know what below working class.

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Speaker 1: But okay, we'll go with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were below working class because unlike us, me

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Speaker 2: and my brother and I, no other kids started to

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Speaker 2: work at that age, right, right, like ninil working in

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Speaker 2: the sanquarry. What the hell can you do? I mean,

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Speaker 2: like even the shovel for a empty shovel for a

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Speaker 2: nine year's old kid was already enough.

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Speaker 2: Lucky for me, I was bigger than nine years old,

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Speaker 2: so I could have carried that and hours strong, right,

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Speaker 2: So I could have carried that and shrivel a little

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: We had to do that in order to substain our

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Speaker 2: that my entire life. So later on in my letter

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Speaker 2: on when we were a teenager or the kids were coming,

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Speaker 2: maybe around fourteen thirteen, all the kids, we're now coming

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Speaker 2: to do that because they feel like, Okay, this is

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Speaker 2: the age that they can start.

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Speaker 1: But by the time they started thirteen fourteen, you've already

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Speaker 2: Were now, So we were like the cheach like teaching

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Speaker 2: them how to start out to work, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: What I tell people is that my upbringing was kind

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Speaker 1: it let me know what I didn't want to do

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean it wasn't only that. Everything that

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Speaker 2: I have done in my life. I remember so many

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Speaker 2: I will work in the sand mine. Because I was

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Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. There's no way that that's

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Speaker 2: be different. And that's happened to me a lot. Even

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Speaker 2: when I left the village, I went to the city.

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Speaker 2: We were carrying a merchandise onloading truck and stuff, and

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Speaker 2: there was people older that was working that job. And

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Speaker 3: He didn't realize. Then I'm like, no, I have to

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm going to do this. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: So therefore it seems like, Okay, you're looking down to

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Speaker 1: You're not looking down on them, but you're.

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Speaker 2: Your on them, but you're looking up for yourself. Right,

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Speaker 2: So that's how like my upbringing was also tough because

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Speaker 3: I was a very bad kid for people.

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Speaker 2: Like when I go someplace, people didn't even want me

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this kid is a bad kid. He's going to.

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Speaker 2: Intoxicate our kids right here. Like his mindset, it's not good.

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Speaker 2: He's dreaming so high, like he's gonna end up rubbing

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Speaker 1: Not easy life like.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't believe that it could have happened basically

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Speaker 2: example of a person that have done it, have succeeded it,

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Speaker 2: even people that has more opportunity and started earlier.

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Speaker 1: When you see.

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Speaker 1: Tell their story.

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Speaker 2: This guy is in the house with dust everywhere, you

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Speaker 2: And it was tough, so like to be honest, to

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Speaker 2: this day, I don't blame people. Those people not to

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Speaker 1: I read you were a loner as a kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wasn't really a loner by choice,

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Speaker 2: by this decision just happened like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe the what you play with the kids

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Speaker 2: No, Like when my parents get divorced, I was six

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Speaker 2: and you will start in your school and you don't

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Speaker 2: have a friend. Not only you don't have a friend,

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Speaker 1: Everybody want to be your friend.

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Speaker 2: But you are the kids that come with your shoes

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Speaker 2: that is, I don't know, like no, right, And then

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Speaker 1: So you had to pay to go to school.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we paid to go to school. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: School for regular public school. You had to pay. Yeah

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Speaker 2: And so you're a new you're a new kid. And

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Speaker 2: then you're the one that is always been embarrassed. So

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Speaker 2: everyone want to step back. Nobody is very interested to

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Speaker 2: want to fit in. You know, you're just a kids.

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Speaker 2: You know you want to belong, but you don't belong.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to find you don't. You never bring food

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Speaker 2: to share with you. Nobody want to even hang out around.

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Speaker 2: So then he was like that continuously and then uh,

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Speaker 1: Your story, here's where the story gets really. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it took me fourteen. It took me fourteen months

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Speaker 3: They've been it's been like.

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Speaker 2: This amount every time while am I going exactly you

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Speaker 1: But you were undertred because you meant you on the raft.

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Speaker 1: How many times did they take you before you became

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Speaker 2: So in the in the ocean, he was a first

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know how to do so, but I know how

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Speaker 1: You said you like water more so than but you

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Speaker 1: No, but I mean so that don't swim. But I

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Speaker 1: and then what would be the end of it. You

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Speaker 3: Up no, then I will get back.

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Speaker 2: If there's a possibility to get off to the raft,

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Speaker 2: No, no, The first row is to have life jackets. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this to blow that ship like it's over. Doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. So the minimum,

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Speaker 3: That one is even better than better life.

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Speaker 1: You said you didn't tell anybody that you were leaving.

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Speaker 3: Why Because when if I say I'm leaving, what would.

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Speaker 1: Be your first question? Where you going? Why?

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Speaker 2: Exactly where you're going? And if I say I don't know,

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Speaker 2: what would you think of me?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Well, since you don't know where you're going, well

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, you might just oh, you might just

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Speaker 2: think that I'm crazy. Basically that since I've been having

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Speaker 1: Why are you going?

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Speaker 3: I don't know? Come on, man, what the hell is that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And also he was so stressful. I mean, you don't know.

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Speaker 2: make it, if you will survive. You don't know if

438
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: you come back in life, or if you even your

439
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: body will ever come back, or if you come back,

440
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: you will come back in five years or in ten years.

441
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: You don't know. I mean, like, how you're going to

442
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: tell that to people?

443
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: You don't think your family would be worried that you

444
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: just took off and that they say, like, where's Frances. Frances?

445
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: Then can wear friends friends?

446
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if they're worried when I'm gone, that mean

447
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm gone already.

448
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm gone already. So that's thing. So when you get

449
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: ready to so food, what do you guys do for food? Okay,

450
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: you're going you're gonna you're gonna be in this raft

451
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be in the portant extended period of time.

452
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: How much food did you get?

453
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: No?

454
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: In the raft, you don't have food, I mean, and

455
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: it's not no, it's not like you don't spend days

456
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: on the raft, right, it's hours, a couple hours, ay,

457
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: in that situation, and you can't do twenty four make

458
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: twenty four hours without.

459
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: You ain't You ain't get nothing. You ain't got no fruit,

460
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: You ain't grab no. But now you ain't grab nothing.

461
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: No, you don't.

462
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a very you're hiding from the police,

463
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: and sometimes you can get stuck somewhere for five hours,

464
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: just stay in one spot because there is a police

465
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: car there, because there is a police somewhere around, or

466
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: somebody that can potentially alert the police or something, and

467
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: then you would just hide like that all night long.

468
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: We are doing this all night long. We start our

469
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: journey as soon as the nightfall and then waiting in

470
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: the morning, like maybe five, five to six. It depends

471
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: the moment that the core prayer, because there's this prayer

472
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: every morning that we call and it's a sign we

473
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: are expecting the people that are watching overnight watching to

474
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: go pray at that moment. So it's the opportunity for

475
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: us to put the raft.

476
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: In the water. All night long, we will be watching, uh,

477
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: watching the wave because your raf is your raf is

478
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 3: this big.

479
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: And then sometimes the wave is coming all the way

480
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: high here and.

481
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: You look at you the way you look at your

482
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: raffum like.

483
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: There's no way.

484
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: And sometimes you try and you first you forced to

485
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: go to the to those waves, and then he will

486
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: take you and smatch you back.

487
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: And you better be on somewhere that they stand no.

488
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: Rock, because if you go in the in between of

489
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: rugs to put the raf, even if you find the

490
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: spot to put the wrath, sometimes when with as very big,

491
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: that will grab you and slam you on those rock.

492
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: Right. So what about like water, did you take water?

493
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: No?

494
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: So basically so for twenty four hours, I mean maybe

495
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: twenty four maybe more sometimes some people.

496
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you can have something in your pocket, you

497
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: get prepared, but you're not going to carry food. If

498
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: you have something like a serial bar or bread, you know,

499
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: is a is a capsule. It's bound very low if

500
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: you have it good. But you also have to know

501
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: that sometimes people go to those places without even having

502
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: what to eat. They don't have nothing left, you know,

503
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: but their only drive is to get to a better life.

504
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Right, So what was it? I mean because not only you,

505
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: like you had to go through the forest, sometimes you

506
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: had to go by land. And know you said you

507
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: chose you like water better than land. So the conditions

508
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: and you mentioned like it was so many different subsidian

509
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: that was making this trick. You you know, on estimate

510
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: how many people you think it work on a given

511
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: time making that trick one thousand, ten thousand, five, twenty.

512
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: Thousand, No, not that much, but a couple of thousand,

513
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: couple of thousand. Yeah, the condition when you're trying to

514
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: get because when you when you're trying to get your

515
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 3: guys are gonna live in the forest, right and then

516
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 3: even like in the winter, in the winter, the water

517
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 3: condition is very bad, very aggressive it's very cool. The

518
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: water is not stable water, so you can't even try.

519
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: You know. It's like so there's a time like okay,

520
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, say like the spring or the summer. Yeah,

521
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: the water is calmer, the water's warmer, and you have

522
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, the weather is nice. So you don't want

523
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: to be on the water when it's cold.

524
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a moment that they call it out. Nobody

525
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: is going on the world because he said.

526
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: It's too dangerous.

527
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, two too dangerous, so on.

528
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: All those words. Did So, what did you do to

529
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: stay in shape? Because like you were fighter, you say

530
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: you always wanted to be a fighter. That was gonna

531
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: be your thing. So did you like if you were

532
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: in the forest, did you do push up? Did you

533
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: do sit ups?

534
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean what I did push up that I can

535
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 2: do now, like uh, I was doing I get to

536
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: the point that I was doing like uh, three hundreds

537
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: push up in the like five sections of sixty push

538
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: ups like normal and then with some apps some stuff

539
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: like that. But just because we have nothing to do,

540
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: and then we get into spend after that afterward they

541
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: put out in jail for two months.

542
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Nothing.

543
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: You can't do anything there just maybe push up, work

544
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: some bench, right, whatever you can do.

545
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: So you spent two years and in Paris. So how

546
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: were you almost for years? Almost in jail? None?

547
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: No? True?

548
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: Months? Two months?

549
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: Two months in Spain in Spain. Was in Spain.

550
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: Then you got to Paris.

551
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Then I left when the freos we went to

552
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: this those association. After a couple a couple of weeks

553
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: we left, And actually I was going to Germany.

554
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. You want to go to Germany? Why

555
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: would you want to go to Germany?

556
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: It was in Germany there was a Schore brother and

557
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: the heavyweight boxing at that time was moving up there.

558
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: In France, there wasn't really like a boxing staff that

559
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: was driving me there. And I was chasing boxing because

560
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: at first, if I would have to choose, I would

561
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: have come straight to America. Right, there's not a path

562
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: like that to come to America. Then I want to

563
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: go to the UK. But problem now the UK is

564
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: not in the Shankan zone. So even when we get

565
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: there with not you trying and get into Europe, and

566
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: when the freo you need to do another similar staff

567
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: and go notugh in France and try and wait for months,

568
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: and I don't know, maybe more to try and to

569
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: go to the UK. I was like, oh man, I'm tired,

570
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to Germany. I mean, I don't speak any German,

571
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: but support us in the language. I will learn over time,

572
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: but by the time I will be boxing.

573
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: How did you meet people? How did you make friends?

574
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: Because you know you say you weren't alone about choice

575
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: is that you know when your parents separated and you

576
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: know you had to go with this aunt, you went

577
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: with this relative, and so you go to different schools.

578
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: Kids were a little apprehensive. So how did you meet people?

579
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: How did you make friends?

580
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't going to make friends.

581
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think over I get to the point

582
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I get to the point

583
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: that I understand my reality, and then I stopped trying

584
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: to make friends. I just and I think that was

585
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: even the best thing that happened to me, you know,

586
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: like I just accept my situation and just take it

587
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: as he was and just be my own friend. And

588
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: he worked out perfectly. I've never been dependent on anybody.

589
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I just you don't have a whole lot of friends, not,

590
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: do you.

591
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't even now because the problem is

592
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: that when I get later on in life, I get

593
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: in a good position, a better situation, but I was

594
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: so used to be alone, and then that's the moment

595
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: that people some people people would think, I mean, you're

596
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: a good profile to be friend. You know, you're a

597
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: cool guy now, but you're so used to be alone

598
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: that you that contact with people being around all the time,

599
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: you can do it. You know, like if I go somewhere,

600
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: if I go into a party or somewhere that there's

601
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: so many people, like at some point, I need to

602
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: step out to go somewhere that I'm alone otherwise because

603
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: it trained my energy. It gets me exhausted. So I

604
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: need to go out somewhere that I'm by myself. Then

605
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: I refeel my energy. But if I can deal with

606
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: like constant company.

607
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: You find a boxing jam, how did you know that

608
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: the people there were legit? How did you know, like, okay,

609
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: this this, this is it, this is it.

610
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he was legit. I just have

611
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: to I just had to try, and I know that

612
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: I had to start somewhere. He wasn't about being legit boxing.

613
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, boxing gym will not

614
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: make you a boxer. The only thing you can find

615
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: the best boxing gym. But you're not just a boxer,

616
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: and you will never become a boxer, right, It's up

617
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: to you. And if you're really a boxer, maybe you

618
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: start in some gym which is not that great or

619
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: that doesn't have that level letter on. You will understand

620
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: and you will find your serf in a good position.

621
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: So like.

622
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: I, I get in Paris. He was June ninth, and

623
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: then it was Sunday, and the next day it was Monday.

624
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: I just started walking around and asked for egyp until

625
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: I found this gym and it was around four four

626
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: pm and they were training, and I asked to see

627
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 2: the coach. The coach wasn't there. There was a guy

628
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: that was giving a class that day. Name did they

629
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: come out? So I asked if I can meet him?

630
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: They say yes, wait until the end of the class.

631
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: So after the end of the class, I met him

632
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 2: and I explained the situation. I said, I just came

633
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: from Africa. I'm sleep I don't even have way to sleep.

634
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: But it's okay.

635
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm not asking for I just wanted place to train

636
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna want to be going to be a

637
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: world champion, you know.

638
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: It's a little.

639
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: It's a little cocky when you meet people at the

640
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: gym and none of them is even like French champion,

641
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: and you just throw their face like you're gonna be

642
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: a world champion, you know, like you think we're hanging

643
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: out here for fun. But that's how he came out.

644
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: But he was a really good guy. And then he

645
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: he he he heared me like.

646
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: How long did you stay in Germany? I didn't go

647
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: to Germany. That was in France. You didn't, So you

648
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: didn't go to Germany.

649
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: So I was just I just stopped in France with

650
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: because I was I met with groups of people there.

651
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: We're all going to France.

652
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, let's stop in France and say

653
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: then I stop in France. But next day I was

654
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: just going. I didn't just stop to like okay, let's

655
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: enjoy friends. I was just going. And then I find

656
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: something that I keep and you kept finding something, Yeah,

657
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: keep digging, keep digging.

658
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: So basically you left France and came to the US.

659
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: What was it like getting on that plane coming to

660
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: the US.

661
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: Because getting in France, yes, he was good. It was

662
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: another but that was just the end of the beginning

663
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: of another chapter. Then you have to figure out your

664
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: way in France. You are in France, you have no situation,

665
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 2: no regulation, situation in France. Big black guy with your

666
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: African accent. Good luck with that.

667
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: But the women, the women probably liked you, big black

668
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: guy friends you have so this is the thing. Day

669
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: is so.

670
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: Usually, I mean, when they know you're in that situation,

671
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: everybody knows that you're in you need one thing paper,

672
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: how to get your situation regulated and married is Marriage

673
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: is one of those situations. So a lot of women, they.

674
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: Will try to marry you. They try to make you

675
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: know they.

676
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: Don't want none of that.

677
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Damn.

678
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: They just see It's like it's like you're like man

679
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: thinking a woman is just coming. So for them, you're

680
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: just coming after that. So they don't even want to

681
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: think about it. It's not even it. It's not even thinkable, right, Obviously,

682
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: there are some few exception, but overall, it's not even

683
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: thinkable because even when you talk to a man, and

684
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: a man that man understand that you don't have a paper,

685
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: bro he treats you like you're an inferior creature, like

686
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: you're below him just because of the paper. And I

687
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: kind of like, man, it's not like something that you earn.

688
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: You didn't do anything you deserve that, you know. I mean, yes,

689
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: maybe you get some job, you work hard, you get

690
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: you build a house, and somebody doesn't have it.

691
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: You just have to be born.

692
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: You just have to be born in friends and that's all.

693
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: You didn't do anything, so don't look at But it's

694
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: as most people who act like this. So you walk

695
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: around and trying to sneak and you don't even tell people, right,

696
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: but you have this battle because without it you don't

697
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: You're not in any system.

698
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: So when you came to the US, what were the

699
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: first where did you? Like? Where did you go to

700
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: when you came to the US, where'd you go?

701
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: For Orlando? I was going to Orlando.

702
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: It was my first USA FI okay, so that's when

703
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: I was coming into the US. And then as my

704
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: dream was always to come to the US. I remember

705
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: I landed and then there was this guy at the

706
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: baggage claim with the tablet with my name on it

707
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: UFC on top of like Francis and Ghano, and then

708
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: I saw my name walk through him, take my back

709
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: and then go to the car drive and at that

710
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: moment I'm just thinking of that my first time in

711
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: the US, and I'm comparing it in my first time

712
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: in France, and I'm like, this is so different. I'm

713
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: looking like, okay, and here was what not even four years? Yeah,

714
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: four years ago? Four years ago?

715
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: Huh? Now two years?

716
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: Two years of cover months because this was December twenty fifteen.

717
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: I get a friend in June twenty thirteen, so this

718
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 2: was two years and maybe five or six five months, yeah,

719
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: two years and a half after then, I'm looking at

720
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: me getting in France in the subway that I jumped.

721
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: I didn't even pay ticket and jump on the subway

722
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: and snick and was watching what is this? That's how

723
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: I'm getting in the friends and then ended up in

724
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: the parking lot that I found the boxes and put

725
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 2: on the floor, slip on it like and then I'm

726
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: here landing in the US and there's somebody there. I

727
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: mean that I'm coming from from a plane, right and

728
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: somebody is waiting for me. I walked there and then

729
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: get in the getting the car drove me into the hotel,

730
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: and I was I'm just laying back and watching for everything,

731
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: like okay, just it's just going to my mind I'm

732
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: just processing stuff, right, and then we get to this

733
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: hotel hired hotel, hired residency, massive hotel.

734
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: I never saw a hotel like that.

735
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: Then I just laid back to go there checking and

736
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: brought my key, gave me my key room number. We

737
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: went up, put my key, get in my room. I

738
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: locked the door and make sure that I locked my phone.

739
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: I called Cameroon and I said, hey, I have made it.

740
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: I have made it, because my whole dream was to

741
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: be in America, right, that was like my biggest dream

742
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: since I was kid, Like I remember, like even when

743
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: since I was eight or seven, I've been making having nickname,

744
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: calling myself American boy, all this stuff, like and they

745
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: will call me like San Francisco, and our forced people

746
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: to tell people like my name is San Francisco, like

747
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: to this day, my signature is SF and people sometimes

748
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: people is like, there's no S on your name. I'm like,

749
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: it's my signature. You don't know my name. So I'm

750
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: in the US, and I get in the US in

751
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: the best way no as I get in Europe.

752
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: So like I made it.

753
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: Right right, I'm here, and I remember also two thousand

754
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: and eight, we were in Cameroon. When Obama won the election,

755
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: the yeah and then he was the result was came

756
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: out like he was maybe five am in Cameroon.

757
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: Nobody didn't sleep.

758
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: We were waiting the first black It was something very important,

759
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: the first black president. Everybody feel related into that, like

760
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: and then he won and then I was there. We

761
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 2: were celebrating, but in my mind something was racing. Something

762
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: else was racing. And I tell my uncle, I'm like, Okay,

763
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: a presidency mandate is like four years in the US,

764
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: so and renewed one time. So eight years at the

765
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: end of this are going to be in the US

766
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: are going to be and so that I made it

767
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, twenty fifteen and he was still a president.

768
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: I made it and taking amount you made it, so

769
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: you made it. I made it. But some let makes

770
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: your question. So when you got you, you got to

771
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: the US, you have the fight in Orlando, you get

772
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: a check, would you do to money? You go buy

773
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: anything special?

774
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: Now my dream is so big that obviously is the

775
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: money that I never had. But I'm looking for something else.

776
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: I'm I'm dreaming big. I don't have time for that. Okay,

777
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: that's cool. Then what next?

778
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: What what am I having?

779
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: Right?

780
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: It was all about like how the during the process. Yeah,

781
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: I didn't buy anything I was supposed to. I wanted

782
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: to go in Cameroon for vacation and that would be

783
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: that would have been my first time since I left then.

784
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I want to fight right back.

785
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: And then they gave me a fight. Yeah, no, I

786
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: wanted to go, but you know, I was sitting there

787
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: hoping to fight maybe in February.

788
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: So I didn't go to Cameroon. I'm like, let's wait.

789
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: Then they gave me after maybe I think it was

790
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: January or early Yeah, sometime in January or early February,

791
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: they gave me this fight.

792
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,479
Speaker 3: My second fight.

793
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: I was going to fight Curti's Blade in Zagreb, Croatia.

794
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: So after that I went back in Cameroon and he

795
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: was four years since I left.

796
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: Wow, listening at you, you always, even the situation with

797
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: the UFC, you thought about other fighters per league, you

798
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: think about other fighters. You go back home and it's

799
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: thinking about your family and your community. How do I

800
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: put them in a better situation? Where did you develop

801
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: that from?

802
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: We grew up in a very tough situation. My family

803
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: and I our life, get us very close. We are

804
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: very bound, like very very close. Like you know, I

805
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: used to get said sick in a way that I

806
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: cann't like go to the bathroom, go go out their

807
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: pee on my own. I need support, you know. And

808
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: even like when we're working in the sun in the

809
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: sun mind, like when I'm sick, they will use our money,

810
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: even my brother money to take me to the hospital.

811
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: So he wasn't like my money, your money, he was

812
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: our hours, you know, stuff like that.

813
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: And then when you get to the point.

814
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: That you understand that you need you need this, you

815
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 2: need them and there for some reason, they're always there.

816
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Uh. Then you lay there.

817
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: And then you feel powerless, and then it's hard. But

818
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: you see them around, you know, garden to like do

819
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: everything to support to help you in that position that

820
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: you are the most vulnerable. Those help like relationship, I

821
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 2: think one that's like one of the second thing that

822
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: I feel very maybe the first thing that I feel

823
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: very grateful about because regardless I saw a lot of

824
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: family around that they were actually doing good that growing up,

825
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: maybe we will expect them to give them their clothes

826
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: that they don't wear any more, or the shoes that

827
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: they don't want anymore. But I saw how he ended,

828
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: how their family ended up. Like, in fact, I think

829
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: our family is by far was by far the best,

830
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: right because we get into the position that we just

831
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: stick to each other. I mean, like it's comforting to

832
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: think that if your brother make it's going to think

833
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: about you, right, and then you're counting on him. You're

834
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: counting on each other. So the day that you make it,

835
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: you also have these days in you. And we were

836
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: so family focused, you know, like and I always miss this,

837
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: my family ruin that My first goal was to make

838
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: this happen, you know, until I started to make the

839
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: family those family reunion. Our dad wasn't at the table,

840
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: but I was able to guard everyone and put in

841
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: one table maybe for Christmas for something, or maybe just

842
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: for the party that I came back home and decided

843
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: we're going to throw this party. And uh, the good

844
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: thing about it is like when you feel like you

845
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: have that power, Okay, somebody doesn't. It's not missing because

846
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: he is out there working. How much you're making it? Well,

847
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: I get you, bro. Come when I say come, everybody

848
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: comes right.

849
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: You opened a gym? How difficult was it? Is it

850
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: difficult for you to say no, because you strike me

851
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: as a very generous person, especially.

852
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: I say no a lot. In fact, even no.

853
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: No.

854
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: Listen, you have to understand, I'm coming from a country

855
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: that a lot of people in the very bad condition.

856
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: If you take their problem, it's going to drown you.

857
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: You can you can handle, so.

858
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: You can't save everyone.

859
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: You can't say.

860
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: You have to save yourself first and to get out

861
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: of the water before trying to take somebody out of

862
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: the world. Otherwise both of you you will drown. So

863
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: even when I want to help somebody, sometime you will

864
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: come and explain this problem. I'm like, bro, figure it

865
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: out that you're shit. I will go think of a problem,

866
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: think of like work could be the solution. But I

867
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: don't want a grown man to just sit out there,

868
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: lay back and wait on me, wait for you to

869
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: take out. I'm out here working my eyes off. Two

870
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm not out here sitting and things are just coming

871
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: to me. So I let you know you count on yourself,

872
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: because when you count on yourself, you never get disappointed.

873
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: If somebody helps you, that that would be a great surprise.

874
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: But when you count on people, you always have a

875
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: bad surprise.

876
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: You rather disappointment.

877
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: Great surprise than a bad surprise.

878
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: How is it going back home? Now? Both it's good

879
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: and bad. You probably have to have a police escort

880
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: when you go back.

881
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, just go out.

882
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: Just stay home like a prisoner, like you really are

883
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: running away from somebody, knowing that you owe nobody nothing.

884
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: You're not running away from anything. But you still have

885
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: to stay home because that's the easiest away. You want

886
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: a good place. You just think about, like, people are there,

887
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: people are going to meet me, you can see me,

888
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: and I'm like, already, just stay ye, man, let me alone.

889
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 2: But how that is great? That's mean you're doing At

890
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: what age? Did you learn English when I started coming

891
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 2: When I started to come in the US.

892
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: So, prior to coming to the US, you didn't speak English.

893
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: No, even in camera we were speaking a little bit

894
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: of pigeon, but no, not too much. I wasn't even

895
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: speaking too much. But I always loved English, and I

896
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: understand that at that time, I understood that I needed

897
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: English for me. Learning English was an investment that I

898
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: was going to make, and I was like one of

899
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 2: the biggest decisions when I move in the US, Because

900
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: when I move in the US, this was early twenty seventeen. Bro,

901
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: it was so hot, like even the world that I know,

902
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 2: maybe because I learned at school.

903
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Like water.

904
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: People will say water, but we we say water or

905
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: something like that, and when I say what, nobody understands anything.

906
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: And when they say water, I'm like, what the hell

907
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: is talking about? And the accent and the speed that

908
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: they are talking. Sometimes people are talking, I think like

909
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: this guy is singing or he's talking, Like what's the difference?

910
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: I how to figure it out?

911
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: So the easiest thing was just to go back, maybe

912
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: in friends or somewhere better, Like, remember why I came here.

913
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: I need this English. I need this English for the future.

914
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: This is a good asset.

915
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: You speak French, Spanish? No, no Spanish.

916
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: Even I was in Spanish for like what two months

917
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: and a half, and in two months I was just

918
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: in Chail, so we were all speaking French, so we

919
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: wasn't in Spain the only time. The only thing that

920
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: we know in Spanish was satual time to go out

921
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: la lucha when they're turning the lights on off a

922
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: knight for us to go to sleep, stuff like that.

923
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: What was the hardest language for you to learn?

924
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I mean, French is not something.

925
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: I don't know.

926
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: When I learned French, you know, I just grew up,

927
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: like into it. And my dialect back here, I just

928
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: grew up grew up into it too. I didn't actually

929
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: really learn, you know, even though I didn't I wasn't

930
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: speaking too much early in my life.

931
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: I was speaking the dialect.

932
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: But the language that I really like, Okay, I'm learning

933
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: language was English.

934
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm looking at you, and I mean a

935
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: big old six foot five brother with actually speaking French

936
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: speaking English. The women they come.

937
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: In, Well, how many women can you have?

938
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. In Africa. I guess you can have

939
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: ad minutes, you can pack a board.

940
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

941
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: You have to be you have to commit into that.

942
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: That's another energy to give someone else.

943
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: So we were talking earlier dating marriage. What you want

944
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: to accomplish, what you're trying to accomplish, is that in

945
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: the future.

946
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: I don't know right now. I don't think about it.

947
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 2: Like I remember when I left Cameroon, I wanted maybe

948
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: to get married, I don't know, but what I what

949
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: I wanted the most was to have kids because I

950
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: wasn't knowing where I was going, so I wanted to

951
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: leave a legacy behind me, somebody that that will remind

952
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: remember me, like at least or something. Right, So that's

953
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 2: something that I really want so hard. And I think

954
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: that's the only moment that I was thinking about marriage.

955
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: It was just to have a baby.

956
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: Right.

957
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: Then after that, I get I started, I get into

958
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: this life that my condition is very bad. So you

959
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: don't think about women. You think about how to get

960
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: out of the situation, out of this situation and get better.

961
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: And then this thing keep rolling, and even when it's

962
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: changing and getting better, you're in the same in the

963
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: same pool, rolling the same way, and until you wake

964
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 2: up something like it's been ten years, it's been eight

965
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: years time, but you don't feel in it, like you

966
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 2: it's something that you want to. I don't know, give

967
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: me even though like in Africa, they've been pushing me.

968
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: Even before I left Cameroon to get married, you'll be king. Yeah, no,

969
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: I say, even before I left right to get married now, yeah,

970
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: even before I left Camero for the first time. Yeah,

971
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: my grandpa wanted me to get married. I was twenty

972
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: years old. Who wanted us to get married and then

973
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: not to get only married for one one girl, multiple.

974
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: Grandpa, I like grandbat grandpa.

975
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 3: No out there it's normal.

976
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, although for some reason, I just age people don't

977
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: don't even want to get married. Before he was like

978
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: kind of like a cultural people have.

979
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: So marriage is not as big now in Cameroon as

980
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: it was when you were a kid.

981
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: Because yeah, because people now is so more into this

982
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: western oh yes and this, and women started thinking differently,

983
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: even men they don't want this responsibility because before you know,

984
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: polygamy in Africa. At first most marriage in Africa for

985
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: men was a responsibility. He wasn't to have fun, you know,

986
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: even like to get married, even to have multiple wife.

987
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 2: Most of the time in the many situations, it wasn't

988
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: like oh I like those women so much. It was

989
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: a situation that you have to first. For example, like

990
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: when a guy in on the community was successful, he

991
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: needs to get married from wife in a different neighborhood

992
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: around the community, so to make to give people many changes,

993
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: because if you get married here or the community will

994
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 2: be like, oh didn't he doesn't care about us. He

995
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 2: should have married the kids of us, and they will

996
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: want you to marry the girl from that community. So

997
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: then you find out people that are getting married just

998
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 2: for opportunity, to give opportunity for community. Why because unlike shere,

999
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: when you when you have a daughter there, all your

1000
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: life is a worry. You don't know how she's going

1001
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: to end up. You don't know. You're worried if ever

1002
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: she's going to find it, have a roof, or to

1003
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: have somebody to take care And then there's this guy

1004
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 2: that's going to take.

1005
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 3: Care of her.

1006
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: You don't care if she's the chief or the ten wife.

1007
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: Take it, bro, And that's how some people were getting.

1008
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: We're getting a lot of wife just to like, you know,

1009
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: give a chance to community. And also one thing that

1010
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: was very important. If your brother or your family member

1011
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: passed away and left a wife with children, you had

1012
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: to take one of you guys have to take that wife.

1013
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: Like whether you like it or not, somebody have to

1014
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 2: take it.

1015
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: But you're not going to sleep with the wife. No wife. Yeah,

1016
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm not just taking to say yeah, okay, I'm gonna

1017
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: take care of you making it.

1018
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't take you can take a wife

1019
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: and just not slip with.

1020
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah you can, you're.

1021
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: Gonna take Why because and the reason why they were

1022
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: doing that. The family was doing that because they didn't want.

1023
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

1024
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: A wife to live with their kids and get out

1025
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: there get married with somebody that will mistreat those girls

1026
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: because being very complicated. I mean, this guy is gonna

1027
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: work hard and then maybe get home barely have food

1028
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: for two three people, and then if he has a kid,

1029
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: it's for the tree the other guy kids, it's not

1030
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: my kids, right, So the family didn't want that to happen,

1031
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: so they wanted to keep the wife and the kids

1032
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: into the family. So somebody has to step up and

1033
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: take that as a responsibility.

1034
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I'm glad that it did. I'm glad

1035
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: that any in America.

1036
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so polink at me most of the time wasn't

1037
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: by choice. Yeah, it was my responsibility.

1038
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: Give me your four Matt Rushmore email Mai Fighters. You

1039
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: know Mat Rushmore is right.

1040
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: Okay, uh John John Okay, I will put Camar rose

1041
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: Man Okay, and I just sign you okay, definitely. Uh,

1042
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: let's pick one person that I can put.

1043
00:58:48,160 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 3: Oh, I should m maybe Ken the last yes, okay.

1044
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: I kind of thought you might go and some Silver

1045
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: maybe why's Gracie.

1046
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 3: I mean.

1047
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: I would yeah, no Anderson Silver and George sant Pierre.

1048
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say Saint Pierre.

1049
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

1050
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, George San Pierre, I mean just same Pierre didn't

1051
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: come to my mind, but I would put him first.

1052
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1053
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: What about boxer who you're my rush More rush More boxers.

1054
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: Tyson?

1055
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, did you always like boxing?

1056
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1057
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: Growing up?

1058
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't watch boxing, but we never had TV.

1059
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like, how.

1060
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: Did you know? How did you learn about American fighters

1061
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: or fighters when you didn't have.

1062
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know much about American fighters. I know much

1063
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: about I know more about actors than I no I

1064
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: about the fighting. Oh, but Mike Tyson was the one

1065
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: that was going, you know, like he was globally famous,

1066
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: so everybody everywhere you know Mike Tyson basically after that fight,

1067
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: after his fight against Holy.

1068
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 3: Fit, that was like He's the most famous fight.

1069
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: Was your journey and everything that you had to endure

1070
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: from the time you were a child and going from

1071
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: Nigeria to Niger to Algeria to Morocco to the Mediterraneans

1072
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: or sub Sahara, was that the main reason that you're

1073
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: unafraid to take on any challenge. You didn't fight professional

1074
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: box and now you say you know what, I think

1075
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: I can beat Tyson period. You know what, I was

1076
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: the king in the UFC. I was the baddest man

1077
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: on the planet. I'm the everyweight champion of UFC. You

1078
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go conquer. Another sport. Was that

1079
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: upbringing is what gave you the confidence?

1080
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: Definitely, But.

1081
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: I think it's also a mindset that without upbringing we

1082
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 2: should have. In my case, I need to go there

1083
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: to have that. I need to have that upbringing to

1084
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: have that mindset. But at the end of the day,

1085
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 2: it's something that some people have, which is the right way.

1086
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean, we are all in the we are all competitive,

1087
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, we are all here. Everybody here want to

1088
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: accomplish something. The guy behind the camera want to make

1089
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: the best piece of content, the guy behind the teching,

1090
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: the sound engineer, I want to have make the best sound.

1091
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: You know, like everybody want to do something. So you

1092
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: do your best, You do whatever it takes, and almost

1093
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: every time you have to try multiple time to make it.

1094
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna fail. You're going to try and get wrong

1095
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: and get back, go back, figure it out again, try again.

1096
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: It's just the same concept for everyone. You know, Nobody,

1097
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: nobody just wake up and make it like this. Usually,

1098
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: like when you see people that things has been very

1099
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: easy for them, it's cool. But when those people for

1100
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: they never most of the most of the time, they

1101
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: never come back because then they don't know this hardship.

1102
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: There wasn't like train prepare for the reality.

1103
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: Do you feel you can accomplish anything.

1104
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: Everything that I want? Yes, I believe that I might not,

1105
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 2: but I would. I do believe that because otherwise I

1106
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: will not go. If I believe in something, I'm going

1107
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: to make it. I'm not just going to like, Okay,

1108
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: let's just go. You know, I'm going to.

1109
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 3: Give my all.

1110
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, the most important

1111
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: thing for me is not to conquer, staff is not

1112
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: to succeed. It's to give my all whatever I can

1113
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 2: possibly do. You know if the result is not what

1114
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: I wanted, but I will check with myself. I'm like,

1115
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: is it did you give your own did you do

1116
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: everything that you should have done? And if the answer

1117
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: is yes, well it happens. It's just life and move on.

1118
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: It's an experience.

1119
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: As I'm looking at you, you don't have weight room muscles,

1120
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: you have child, you have labor muscles, you developed this

1121
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: body from a child in the same mind, walking, doing

1122
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: other things. Is that where you feel your power comes from.

1123
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: No, it's changing in my family.

1124
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: Or your family built like this.

1125
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 3: No, they are not all built like that. I mean,

1126
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 3: like I think I'm just built.

1127
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm just a little different physically because even my brother,

1128
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: even people from my community community, I mean, they're strong people,

1129
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: but they are not as big as me. I'm the

1130
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: biggest in my family, the potentially strong. But my family

1131
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: is strong. They're so very strong, and we we this

1132
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: reputation of we have a reputation of his strong family.

1133
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: Even before I was born, my dad, my uncles.

1134
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: They were but they all worked in the same bay.

1135
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: Right now, they did know.

1136
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: My dad was a carpenter, carpender, carpenter carpender, so he

1137
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: make roof the house.

1138
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: So that was his upbringing. A lot of them working.

1139
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: Everybody basically work in the farm. But again, even amongst

1140
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: all those people, my family was known for like being

1141
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: very strong. Even my grandpa, I mean, I know I

1142
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: was born, he was already he was already old, but

1143
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: he's been known as like one of the guys.

1144
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: Would you want your story story to run into a movie?

1145
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely that would be a movie. But I just think

1146
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: it's not the moment yet. It's not the moment.

1147
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: Because you feel you have other things to accomplish.

1148
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: A lot of things that is coming. There's a lot

1149
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: of chapter that dismissing I'm missing.

1150
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: You said you knew more American actors than boxers. So

1151
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: if someone were to portray you in your life story,

1152
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: who would you like for it to be.

1153
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 3: Uh?

1154
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: I've been asked that question before, and so far, I

1155
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: think the best profile that I would think of would

1156
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: be somebody like.

1157
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 3: Dresball.

1158
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna put it more Stills.

1159
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

1160
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. He can definitely, he could see.

1161
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: He might be the only one. He might be the

1162
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: only one that could play you. He might be the

1163
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 1: only one that could play you. I think you see,

1164
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: I think you would for the I think you went

1165
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: for the guy with the accent. Everybody you went for

1166
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: the handsome guy like who No, that's who you went

1167
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: for each yourselver. But but the only guy with the

1168
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: accent that I don't think. I don't think the only

1169
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: guy and he's deceased, but he's not big enough would

1170
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: be chacked with Bozeman because of his because he because

1171
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: that black panther accent he had.

1172
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 3: I mean it he could is an acting accent.

1173
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but I'm saying it's not like I mean,

1174
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to act. He's gonna have to do

1175
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: that accent. He's gonna have to hang around you and

1176
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: pick up your dialect. That's what they do when they

1177
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: take on the roll. I mean, I gotta I gotta

1178
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: be around you and pick up your manner hysms and

1179
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: pick up your your the way you talk, how you

1180
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: would say it, or it's not gonna be authentic. Yeah,

1181
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: it's got like when you, like, when you're boxing, you

1182
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: had to be a round a box. You had to

1183
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: get somebody to actually know the okay, the combination the

1184
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: shots and you know how you cut the ring off

1185
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: and how you retreat and make sure you don't go

1186
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: straight back and you move to the side.

1187
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 3: I think acting it's a little different.

1188
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: But you thinks you want to do it, you want

1189
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: to try acting.

1190
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 3: Maybe, I think when I'm retired. It takes a lot

1191
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 3: of time, though.

1192
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: It does, it does. Everything takes a lot of time.

1193
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of time.

1194
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 3: I've seen people like go for a movie for like

1195
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: four months and at this point of time.

1196
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: You don't have that kind of time. The four most

1197
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: is you're getting ready to get my man job. Yeah,

1198
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: this is my main job. Right now, millions of people

1199
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: are going to watch this. What was something you would

1200
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: like the kids that watch this to take from your story?

1201
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, I dream time. I think never give up? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1202
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: I mean there's general speech of motivation like determination, self believing, right,

1203
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 2: But sometimes I think about, like, uh, my kids, Like Okay,

1204
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: I'll have kids that will grow up, and then I

1205
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: just think of their life, how they they will grow up,

1206
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: and I I just find out that it's sad. I

1207
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: mean I did all this for like have give my

1208
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: family a better situation, right, But I say think that

1209
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: it's going to be sad that my kids will not

1210
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: never understand my story, you know, because there will just

1211
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: be in a situation that their problem would be none

1212
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: of like what but you guys we have to go

1213
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: to like Okay, what should we eat today? Like stuff

1214
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 2: like that, like could we have soap? Or could I

1215
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 2: should I? Could I have pen? To go to school

1216
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: on Monday? Stuff like that. They will never understand. But

1217
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it is what it is.

1218
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: Some people staying very good. But yeah, I think like

1219
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: I think self believing is.

1220
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 3: Like the key.

1221
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: You know, we will talk about like faith, hope and everything,

1222
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: But the man that believe in him, I think he's

1223
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,480
Speaker 2: a man that is half succeed.

1224
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you this. I forgot you your

1225
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: favorite food as a child growing up, and do you

1226
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: still eat that food now?

1227
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 3: Growing up? I think every food.

1228
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 1: Was your favorite because when they didn't have.

1229
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't recall a day that I see it.

1230
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 2: I don't like this the favorite of one.

1231
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: So so, is there a place in Vegas that you

1232
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: can go get some of your Cameroonian dishes or do

1233
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: you have to wait till you get back home?

1234
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 3: No?

1235
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: Really, mostly in the East coast, Okay, Yeah, like New

1236
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: York and yeah, Washington, there's a lot of African community.

1237
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 2: So so what even in Texas you will find those.

1238
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: What's the type of typical cameroon dish? Oh?

1239
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: There is a lot, man you will find, Like there's this,

1240
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: the very famous one is in Dollar.

1241
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 3: We call it Dollar. I know you're gonna ask, what

1242
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: is that?

1243
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, it's kind.

1244
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: Of like a leaf, kind of like a spinish with

1245
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: the ground peanut, you know, then put all the spice

1246
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: in it.

1247
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: What are we ain't no meat in it? They're putting

1248
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: me in it? What kind of me?

1249
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 3: You can't put whatever you want?

1250
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and so in in in camera where you

1251
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: get like go chicken, I mean, what did you put it?

1252
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: Everything we get it? I mean usually they don't putting

1253
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 2: chicken in the dollar. They will put more like.

1254
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 3: Beef, be.

1255
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 2: Smoke, smoke fish, I mean not smoke dry fish. And

1256
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: then even like the dry uh, we have this little

1257
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: scream a stream that I's so little and they try.

1258
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: It's very favorite.

1259
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: So if I if so next time I come across

1260
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: the Cameroon.

1261
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 3: And our best breakfast is being the article.

1262
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: What's that?

1263
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 3: It's like peanut, It's not. It's like donut.

1264
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: It's like donut our version of donut with with.

1265
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 3: Bes fried bees and with pup.

1266
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: I know, you don't know, but it's only I might.

1267
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: I might be willing to try the other days. But yeah,

1268
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: they gotta.

1269
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: Have you now that you're asking me about like food,

1270
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: my favorite Camerian food?

1271
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: What is American food?

1272
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: I walk around, I will see Chinese Chinese restaurant like Japanese.

1273
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: We would I would see Indian restaurant. Mexican were more

1274
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 2: like what we do and I never see American rest barbecue.

1275
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: It all depends curious no no, no, no no, like

1276
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: like ribs chicken.

1277
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: Rice is nothing food everybody rip is not a dish.

1278
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about the dish? Okay, where are you?

1279
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: Are you in the South. If you're in the South

1280
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: that we got dishes we have like mac and cheese

1281
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 1: or we have it is a dish rash. It's what

1282
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: you think it is. I don't know, bro, what you

1283
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: talking about a dish? Yes, it is a dish. Chicken chicken.

1284
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: You know you don't got American. You don't got American.

1285
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: Now about kicking the waffles, you're talking about going to

1286
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: like Rod Schools and Gladys Night or somebody. No, but

1287
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: those are those are dishes. I mean like so when

1288
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: you said, like when you say like dol ay, that's

1289
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: a staple of like Cameroon, because I have a tomorrow

1290
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: on And he was saying like fafa and he was

1291
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, he was like trying to he was explaining

1292
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: to him, I had Michael Blackson on. He was trying

1293
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: to like food.

1294
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 3: Food, Yeah, you we have food for ours.

1295
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: Ours is a little different. So like if you.

1296
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: Go in Africa, every country has like its own special.

1297
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, they put their own yeah yeah, okay.

1298
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 2: Like when I said that when you send the let,

1299
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: everybody knows that it came around. It's like saying sushi

1300
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: and they will attach sushi to Japan.

1301
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: Okay. So, so when can we expect to see Frances

1302
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: and Gando back in the ring the square over the octagon?

1303
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: Definitely next year? When exactly next year? Potentially not sure,

1304
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: potentially match or match or April and.

1305
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 3: Certainly October. Okay, Prices and Danald, thank you all.

1306
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 4: My life, grunting all my life, sacrifice, wanta slice? Got

1307
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 4: to brow the dice squad all my life. I've been

1308
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 4: grinding all my life. Yeah, all my life, grinding all

1309
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 4: my life, sacrifice, mussel play the price, want a slice?

1310
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: Got to brow the dice.

1311
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 4: Swap all my life.

1312
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life.

1313
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 3: M