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Speaker 3: Welcome to the name of Job, Jordan Clipper.
Speaker 4: It is my third night hosting the show, and I'm
Speaker 4: finally starting to get some respect. This morning, the show
Speaker 4: security guy called me mister Clepper instead of slender Man.
Speaker 4: So really making progress. We got a great show for
Speaker 4: you tonight. My guest tonight is Michael Shannon.
Speaker 3: So let's get in the headline.
Speaker 4: Let's beget with Fox News, which yesterday agreed to pay
Speaker 4: seven eighty seven point five million dollars for saying Dominion
Speaker 4: voting machines help Joe Biden steal the election. Although now
Speaker 4: that more details of the settlement have come out, it
Speaker 4: turns out it's not all bad news for Fox.
Speaker 5: The deal sparing Fox from what would have been a
Speaker 5: very high profile trial with some of the network's own
Speaker 5: stars likely testifying.
Speaker 6: Dominion's legal team says there will be no on air
Speaker 6: apologies or retractions on Fox News.
Speaker 7: In a statement, the network is saying this settlement reflects
Speaker 7: Fox's continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.
Speaker 4: That's Ryan Hi, journalistic standards like this.
Speaker 8: The Green M and M.
Speaker 9: Dunn boots back but apparently is now lesbian.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm happy for dominion, but dominion was not the
Speaker 4: only injured party here. What about you know, our faith
Speaker 4: and democracy. There are people who will not trust elections
Speaker 4: for the rest of their lives, and I have to
Speaker 4: talk to those people.
Speaker 8: I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Argue with them at Trump rallies every four years for
Speaker 4: the rest of my life.
Speaker 8: And you know what, I'm not naive.
Speaker 4: I didn't expect this lawsuit to restore our country's faith
Speaker 4: and elections, or even for me to get a little cashola. No,
Speaker 4: but I was at least hoping to get a couple
Speaker 4: weeks of joy out of seeing Sean Hannity up there
Speaker 4: on the stand, sweating through his shirt like a beach manatee.
Speaker 4: For that have saved democracy, I don't know, but it
Speaker 4: would have been nice to see. We're not going to
Speaker 4: get any of that. They don't even have to apologize
Speaker 4: on air, And frankly, we deserve that bare minimum. Yes,
Speaker 4: you deserve that, and you know what, if the settlement
Speaker 4: won't give it to you, then I shall here as
Speaker 4: much fall out this evening, and there will be for months.
Speaker 8: We are admitting that we lied to you.
Speaker 9: For saying the wrong things about the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 9: Now why is that, Well, the truth is Donald Trump
Speaker 9: lost the election. I no, we didn't tell you because
Speaker 9: we don't care what you think. Now we have to
Speaker 9: pay hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 8: We were wrong.
Speaker 9: We are completely irresponsible, and we're sorry America. I'm sorry
Speaker 9: for repeating something that was untrue.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: I just got to take a quick break and go
Speaker 9: cry in a closet while squeezing a stuffed animal.
Speaker 8: Thank you, docker.
Speaker 4: Well, let's move on, because luckily there are people out
Speaker 4: there doing the hard work of real investigative journalism, people
Speaker 4: like Bruce Willingham. He runs the McCurtain Gazette News out
Speaker 4: of middle of nowhere, Oklahoma. Now, Bruce suspected that the
Speaker 4: local sheriff and other officials we're doing county business after
Speaker 4: meetings ended, so he secretly recorded them, and when he
Speaker 4: played the tape back, he heard them talking about him
Speaker 4: and his son, who was also a reporter, and it
Speaker 4: was not flattering.
Speaker 10: Hoardings captured the group talking about hiring hitmen to kill
Speaker 10: the reporters and where the bodies could be hidden, because
Speaker 10: are hitmen.
Speaker 8: And person I don't want two big pulls over here,
Speaker 8: La Preno.
Speaker 4: Oh holy shit, you can't threaten to kill journalists in
Speaker 4: a council meeting. Keep that shit on Twitter like a
Speaker 4: normal person. Although you can tell that some people were
Speaker 4: a little more integral to this plot than others, because
Speaker 4: one guy was like, I know two hitmen, and another
Speaker 4: guy like.
Speaker 3: And I know two holes.
Speaker 4: Thanks for the contribution, Larry, Well, let you know if
Speaker 4: we need to use your connection with the holes. And
Speaker 4: by the way, how strapped for time are people in
Speaker 4: this town that they have to predig murder holes? Are
Speaker 4: you so freaking busy that you can't do the hole
Speaker 4: after you do the murder? Or maybe it's like carried
Speaker 4: an umbrella, like the day you don't have the hole.
Speaker 8: Is when you end up killing someone.
Speaker 4: Now, look, it would be bad enough if plotting to
Speaker 4: throw local journalists into holes pre doug or otherwise was
Speaker 4: all that the county sheriff and his friends were caught
Speaker 4: doing on these tapes, But guess what they moved on
Speaker 4: to something.
Speaker 8: Else on that same audio recording.
Speaker 6: The people talking shared their dismay that lynching black people
Speaker 6: is no longer acceptable.
Speaker 10: They take a damn whooped, asked Tolman.
Speaker 8: The sale out run.
Speaker 10: Looked like a mud creek hung him up with the
Speaker 10: Damron't it?
Speaker 8: I got more rocks than you got.
Speaker 4: Wow, Someone tell these cops that they have the right
Speaker 4: to remain silent. And you could tell this thing was
Speaker 4: going to go badly as soon as they said back
Speaker 4: in the day, no sentence in the South ever goes
Speaker 4: well after the phrase back in the day.
Speaker 8: It's never like back in.
Speaker 4: The day, we lived in a rich, multicultural tapestry. What's
Speaker 4: crazy is these reporters weren't even looking for racism and
Speaker 4: assassination plots. They were hoping to catch improper meeting procedures.
Speaker 4: It's like if you put a security camera up in
Speaker 4: the office to see which employee was stealing your yogurts,
Speaker 4: and you caught them doing a human sacrifice, you'd be like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I've stumbled upon the most unholy rituals
Speaker 4: and oh my god, there ready my your body. For
Speaker 4: more on this story, we go live to Oklahoma and
Speaker 4: Roy Wood Junior, Roy.
Speaker 2: Royan.
Speaker 4: This this is an astounding scoop shady sheriffs caught talking
Speaker 4: about murder hitman being racist.
Speaker 1: What a story mm hmm, And thank you for sending
Speaker 1: me exactly to where it happened. Jud thing. If you
Speaker 1: put a recorder next to any sheriff, any shehriff for
Speaker 1: just a few minutes, you gonna hear some racism. That's
Speaker 1: why I don't trust. I don't trust Notheny Sriffs. I
Speaker 1: don't trust Andy Griffiths. I don't trust Woody from toy story.
Speaker 1: And I damn sure don't trust nothing in Paul Patrol dogs.
Speaker 3: They should Oh are they all cops? I don't know.
Speaker 1: But either way, I don't trust them. And if from
Speaker 1: being honest, I'm kind of surprised that this recording wasn't
Speaker 1: more racist really.
Speaker 4: I mean, they were saying it's too bad they couldn't
Speaker 4: kill black people like back in the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day. So we canceling people for
Speaker 1: reminiscing OUs. Well, they can't take a walk down memory lane.
Speaker 1: That's all they did. Either way, they know they can't
Speaker 1: do it anymore. That's why when they was on tape,
Speaker 1: they were talking about killing white people. That's progress. That's
Speaker 1: what Martin Luther Kingan was talking about. No, no, that's
Speaker 1: what Martin Luther.
Speaker 4: King was talking talking about a poster of his speech
Speaker 4: at my college dorm room.
Speaker 2: Roy.
Speaker 4: And they're not just talking about killing white people, Roy,
Speaker 4: they're talking about killing white journalists. We need to protect
Speaker 4: these lion hearted, ivory skinned Michigan born reporters, whoever they
Speaker 4: may be.
Speaker 1: What you're so scared of. Man, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they should kill white I'm not saying that they that
Speaker 1: they should kill white people. I'm saying, we can agree
Speaker 1: that it's better than killing black people.
Speaker 4: Roy, we cannot agree on that.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're saying it's better to kill black people.
Speaker 3: No, no, Roy, I'm not saying that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: That's what you just said.
Speaker 2: Roy.
Speaker 3: I want I want them to kill us both equally.
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, okay, these gods shouldn't be talking about
Speaker 4: killing anybody anyway.
Speaker 1: Yep. But can you blame them? Look at a small
Speaker 1: ass JJSS building. Man, they work in this building every day.
Speaker 1: If I had to spend my whole day in the
Speaker 1: space that's small, i'd be racist too. Oh tiny ass
Speaker 1: no ventilation having ass placed. Look, man, if you're a
Speaker 1: white man, and your life has led you to a
Speaker 1: job in this building. You gotta blame somebody might as
Speaker 1: well be us for like the third house from the
Speaker 1: Three Little Pigs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, enough about the building. Let's talk more about the
Speaker 4: audio recording.
Speaker 1: Yea, let's let's talk about the audio recording. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the audio recording and how they weren't able to
Speaker 1: see a tape recorder in this small ass building. The
Speaker 1: tape recorder probably took up half the room. You know,
Speaker 1: they felt the heat from the batteries. They was probably
Speaker 1: in the room just looking over. Oh I'm sorry, what
Speaker 1: did you say about Lynchon? I can't hear you over
Speaker 1: this tape recording?
Speaker 4: Okay, what do you think should happen to these officers?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: I think what should happen to the officers is very simple, Jordan.
Speaker 1: They plotted a murder, which last I checked, is a crime.
Speaker 1: So for the good of society, we cannot entrust these
Speaker 1: types of people with protecting the citizens of Oklahoma. They
Speaker 1: have to be locked up. They have to be placed
Speaker 1: in solitary confinement because then they'd have more breathing room.
Speaker 8: Than they had in this damn tiny ass building.
Speaker 1: And it's small man, you can't even I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: Joy.
Speaker 3: Joy went all right, all right, well we'll come back.
Speaker 3: I'm going home. Don't go away, Welcome back to the
Speaker 3: Daily Show.
Speaker 4: Florida gets a lot of attention because of how Florida
Speaker 4: it is, but it's not the only state out there.
Speaker 4: That's why I travel to Michigan, my home state, to
Speaker 4: interview it's governor of Gretchen Whitmer, about how she's making
Speaker 4: Michigan the opposite of Florida. Lest fall. Michigan Governor Gretchen
Speaker 4: Whitmer cruised reelection with a double digit win against a
Speaker 4: Trump backed election denier democratic control of both the state
Speaker 4: House and has allowed her to make unfettered progress on infrastructure,
Speaker 4: abortion rights, and gun regulations, and now just passed one
Speaker 4: hundred days into her second term. I wanted to hear
Speaker 4: what's next, so I went back home to Michigan to
Speaker 4: lend my support to the vital local beer making economy
Speaker 4: in Michigan. We pregame with our friends and families before
Speaker 4: Wolverine Saturday, and now apparently before interviews with the governor,
Speaker 4: we'll do a Michigan test to see your sobriety. Can
Speaker 4: you spell ipsilanti?
Speaker 7: Why SNAr Wow, Okay, you passed.
Speaker 8: That's great.
Speaker 4: Governor. Is this sort of like an opposite AOC, you know,
Speaker 4: a successful politician becomes an art tender.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to have to have some
Speaker 7: skills after this is done.
Speaker 4: So I just want to remind you that Governor cannot
Speaker 4: accept any cash tips, but I can. So whatever you
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 8: Leave, that'd be great.
Speaker 4: And remember things cost three times as much in New York,
Speaker 4: so typically.
Speaker 7: He should move back to Michigan. Am I right?
Speaker 4: Cheers, Governor, thank you, Thank you for meeting me.
Speaker 8: Glad to be here with you.
Speaker 4: It's happy to be here in a Michigan health food store,
Speaker 4: a micro brewery.
Speaker 7: It doesn't get better. It's Michigan agriculture, Michigan beer.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 4: This is specially one to me because I'm from Kalamazoo
Speaker 4: and my little son took his first steps in the
Speaker 4: back of Bell's Brewery.
Speaker 7: Well, then did you put that in the baby book?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in Michigan, that's statistically likely it's either
Speaker 4: going to be a micro brewery or a Myers parking lot.
Speaker 4: So Michigan goes Trump in twenty sixteen, Biden in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: It goes you overwhelmingly in twenty twenty two. What's happening
Speaker 4: in Michigan.
Speaker 7: We are the most diverse swing state in the country,
Speaker 7: and I think that's what makes it so great. It's
Speaker 7: also why you got to listen to people. You gotta
Speaker 7: talk to people when you got to try to solve
Speaker 7: problems instead of just feed frenzies and anger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here in Michigan, the head of the GOP internally
Speaker 4: elected que it On sympathizer election denier, calling Democrats demonic.
Speaker 7: Well, head of the GOP, to your point, said that
Speaker 7: both Beyond and yoga are satanic.
Speaker 4: You have to walk the line on satanic Beyonce.
Speaker 7: No, I'm always going to make it a sea at
Speaker 7: the table where someone who actually wants to solve problems
Speaker 7: regardless of what their political meant is. But I don't
Speaker 7: have time for people who want to call Beyonce satanic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big hunting culture through Michigan and you're
Speaker 4: about to pass some big gun control measures here. What
Speaker 4: do you say to the gun owners here who still
Speaker 4: really really want to kill deer.
Speaker 7: You don't need fancy words, you don't need any gimmicks.
Speaker 7: You can still hunt and enjoy there can still be
Speaker 7: a lawful gun owner. Most gun owners believe that there
Speaker 7: should be background checks and safe storage. I mean Indiana
Speaker 7: has done this. Virginia has done this. I mean these
Speaker 7: are not wild you know. Changes is just simply trying
Speaker 7: to make people safer.
Speaker 8: I like how you said that. I mean, if Indiana
Speaker 8: can do it, we can do it.
Speaker 7: I mean right.
Speaker 4: Abortune is usually a topic Democrats run from, or at
Speaker 4: least making a centerpiece of their campaigns. You did, and
Speaker 4: you've taken bold action on that. Is that a recipe
Speaker 4: for national elections?
Speaker 7: The Midwest is a great place to see that you
Speaker 7: can win. On abortion. People expect to have these rights.
Speaker 7: We've had them for fifty years. We expect our chads
Speaker 7: to be able to make your own decisions about their
Speaker 7: bodies and their futures.
Speaker 4: Now you were keeled in nineteen thirty one abortion law.
Speaker 4: Are there any other laws on the books from back
Speaker 4: then that are worth looking back into?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we got a lot of zombies that are there
Speaker 7: in there. Zombie killer.
Speaker 4: Yes, death penalty for swing dancing is that in there?
Speaker 4: Spring in Michigan means potholes are everywhere, and the governor
Speaker 4: has invested billions on infrastructure as part of her promise
Speaker 4: to fix the damn roads. As someone who blew a
Speaker 4: few tires here in my high school days, I knew
Speaker 4: it was my duty to.
Speaker 3: Help all working men and women wearing hurt.
Speaker 8: And so does Jordan. Okay, all right, governor, right, ready
Speaker 8: to do some work.
Speaker 7: So hey, you got kind of pretty shoes.
Speaker 3: That's for the job you want.
Speaker 4: And for me, I'd like to be foreman or whatever
Speaker 4: corporate person is in the air conditioning office.
Speaker 8: Wellwis, let me pull out my watch.
Speaker 2: What time is it?
Speaker 8: Time fix road?
Speaker 10: You know what they say is right here. This is
Speaker 10: a specula right, This is what we call work around here.
Speaker 10: So we're handing you a little work. And I know
Speaker 10: you got nights paying so on, so try not to
Speaker 10: get too much work on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if this is actually an impediment, I could actually
Speaker 4: stand and I could watch the work and see how
Speaker 4: it goes.
Speaker 8: Don't do that.
Speaker 10: Okay.
Speaker 4: We picked some potholes, break some oberons, and perhaps most importantly,
Speaker 4: established that my home state is definitely not Florida.
Speaker 7: Other states are waging kind of wars against different, you know,
Speaker 7: parts of their population. I think a lot of politicians
Speaker 7: just want to pick fights and get headlines. And whether
Speaker 7: it's picking a fight with Mickey Mouse or moving backwards
Speaker 7: to the early nineteen hundreds, it's so much easier to
Speaker 7: show up and to listen to people and know what
Speaker 7: really matters. So we're trying to make Michigan a place
Speaker 7: where every business can thrive and every person has rights
Speaker 7: and freedoms to make their own decisions and to live
Speaker 7: the life they want and be successful here in Michigan.
Speaker 4: You're progressive on guns, on abortion rights. It feels like
Speaker 4: the Michigan hand. It's a welcoming hand. It is.
Speaker 7: It's a freedom.
Speaker 4: It's freedom. If Michigan has a hand, what is Florida?
Speaker 4: It looks like a what I mean, it looks like Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm not going there.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying. And it's one peninsula.
Speaker 4: It's one peninsula that's urinating on our democracy at times.
Speaker 8: Your words, my words bears thank you.
Speaker 4: When we come back, Michael Shannon will be joining me
Speaker 4: on the show Don't Go Away.
Speaker 1: With The Only Show.
Speaker 4: My guest Tonight is an Academy Award nominated actor who
Speaker 4: can currently be seen in the Showtime series Waco The Aftermath.
Speaker 4: Please Welcome Michael Shannon. Wow, excite Michael, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Now the series.
Speaker 4: Today's the thirtieth anniversary of the Waco Siege. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I know this series. You did a series that looked
Speaker 4: at the Waco Siege and now this is revisiting it.
Speaker 4: It's the aftermath. What is it about Waco that made
Speaker 4: you want to return to the story.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean a lot of people when I
Speaker 5: told them I was making a sequel to Waco, they said,
Speaker 5: didn't you do it all? I mean, that was the
Speaker 5: whole thing, right, And you know, granted that was the event, yes,
Speaker 5: but obviously an event like that is like like a
Speaker 5: meteor crashing into the earth. You know, it's going to
Speaker 5: have seismic consequences. And I really think it's worth exploring.
Speaker 5: You know, these incidents, they don't just exist in a vacuum,
Speaker 5: and they everything is connected and everything leads to the
Speaker 5: next thing.
Speaker 8: And that's what was so worthwhile to explore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you look at Waco and Waco it's
Speaker 4: sort of in many ways, if not the birth of
Speaker 4: the modern militia movement, definitely part of the trajectory.
Speaker 5: For it, right, Yeah, and just swing you know, this
Speaker 5: distrust in the government. You know, a lot of times
Speaker 5: when I think about anarchy, I think, what is it
Speaker 5: that really frightens people about anarchy? What is the thing
Speaker 5: that you would lose in a state of anarchy that
Speaker 5: is so significant? And the answer that I keep coming
Speaker 5: up with is, well, the government keeps you safe. Like
Speaker 5: the government exists in order to keep the population safe
Speaker 5: taken care of. And if the government isn't doing that,
Speaker 5: it's really kind of worthless, like there is no reason
Speaker 5: for it to exist. And that does that in a
Speaker 5: variety of ways, you know, whether it's you know, the
Speaker 5: most obvious way is just keeping us safe from harm,
Speaker 5: but also helping us to take care of ourselves and
Speaker 5: be able to take care of ourselves and live somewhere
Speaker 5: where we don't have to worry about our own well.
Speaker 8: Being all the time. Like that's as far as I
Speaker 8: can tell why it's there.
Speaker 4: I think in an ideal sense, yes, right now. I
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time out in the road. I
Speaker 4: talk to a lot of folks who have this inherent
Speaker 4: distrust in the government right that don't see it as
Speaker 4: something that serves a role to support and to protect.
Speaker 4: Something you should be distrustful of. I think Waco is
Speaker 4: an experience that was complicating for a lot of folks.
Speaker 4: It was the government didn't handle it perhaps the way
Speaker 4: they could have or should have. You even make the
Speaker 4: series at a time that was pre what happened in
Speaker 4: January sixth. The series originally looks at sort of this extremism,
Speaker 4: and now since then we've seen what is extremism in
Speaker 4: a series like that now make its way onto the
Speaker 4: front pages, onto the steps of the capitol. January sixth
Speaker 4: has now happened. How does that affect approaching telling the
Speaker 4: story again?
Speaker 8: Well, jeez, I mean it just makes me wonder, like.
Speaker 5: Because things keep happening that you think there's no way
Speaker 5: this could ever happen, and then it happens, and.
Speaker 8: So I'm like, what's the next.
Speaker 5: What's the next thing after January sixth? And what's fascinating
Speaker 5: is is if the fellow I'm playing, Gary Nessner, who's
Speaker 5: an actual real person.
Speaker 8: It has an incredible book.
Speaker 5: I highly recommend everybody reading Quotes for Time, But Waco
Speaker 5: is one chapter in his book, as like I said,
Speaker 5: as cataclysmic an event as it was, it's only he's
Speaker 5: got all these incidents that he's dealt with over the
Speaker 5: years on micro and macro levels, and.
Speaker 8: He is very reluctant.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 5: He's not looking to vilify anybody or say, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: and he would agree that that situation in Waco was
Speaker 5: an incredibly complicated situation.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 5: He has doubts himself about how he handled it. He
Speaker 5: certainly has doubts about how other people handled it. But
Speaker 5: he doesn't think there's like a big bad wolf or
Speaker 5: anything like that.
Speaker 8: But I think it's just.
Speaker 5: It's extraordinarily compelling. I think this story and I think
Speaker 5: it's extraordinarily valuable to realize that, no matter how outlandish
Speaker 5: an event is, that there is something even more outlandish
Speaker 5: just around the corner. And I think that that's I
Speaker 5: think that's why the story is worth keeping in the
Speaker 5: forefront of our minds.
Speaker 8: I also think it's.
Speaker 4: Worth telling that because you're a storyteller and you're like
Speaker 4: next seed, like you on, you made, you got, You've
Speaker 4: gotten two things as already. You're like, and you think
Speaker 4: you've seen this so far the after after after are
Speaker 4: we pitching it?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 5: Well, there are actually I I, you know, Gary and
Speaker 5: I because Gary and I have actually become a very
Speaker 5: good friends.
Speaker 4: You bought the IP I say, yeah, okay, yeah, well Gary.
Speaker 5: I think it's important to point out too that I'm
Speaker 5: absolutely nothing like Gary, Like, I don't look like Gary,
Speaker 5: I don't sound like.
Speaker 4: Gary like the second, third, fourth choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 8: It was Danny DeVito, Fisher Stevens and then me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're always grabbing your good look.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Well I'm like a catch base you. I get what
Speaker 5: nobody else wants. But He's like, yeah, we've got to
Speaker 5: make all the chapters in the in the there's there.
Speaker 5: There is a great potential for season three, but I'm
Speaker 5: not going to ruin it and tell you if you read.
Speaker 8: The book you'll figure it out.
Speaker 5: But anyway, and the only other point I wanted to
Speaker 5: make is and I've heard other people friends of mine
Speaker 5: say this, particularly the Dowbtles, the Doubdle brothers you made
Speaker 5: the show, who are just John Andrew, who are just beautiful,
Speaker 5: beautiful people, and they really really care, Like it's not
Speaker 5: easy to make a show like this. There's going to
Speaker 5: be a lot of resistance. It's like, really, this kind
Speaker 5: of a drag you want us to And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we need to.
Speaker 4: Do this and resistance because it's inherently a political story.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 5: It's also unpleasant, you know, it's it's pretty pretty darn unpleasant.
Speaker 8: Texas. But I think one of the things is valuable
Speaker 8: also about it is that it.
Speaker 5: Proves that no matter what side of it of this
Speaker 5: debate or issue that you're on, everyone is capable of
Speaker 5: having a flawed perspective.
Speaker 8: Everyone is, and that that's also an important thing to remember.
Speaker 8: And a lot of people pay lip service to that.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, it's not until we reach across the
Speaker 5: aisle or whatever find a common ground. But I think
Speaker 5: it's really interesting in this, in this situation, in the
Speaker 5: story to see how that really.
Speaker 1: Is not.
Speaker 5: Easy to do for either side, and how complicated that
Speaker 5: truly can be in practice, not just as like a
Speaker 5: catchy slogan, that's something that you actually do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's vulnerable to succeed any kind of ground, right,
Speaker 4: So yeah, the admitting that your point of view might
Speaker 4: be flawed could put you in a position where you
Speaker 4: suddenly now lose ground to this other side. And I
Speaker 4: feel like we're constantly fighting those battles today.
Speaker 5: Well, and particularly when there are actually lives on the line,
Speaker 5: Like it's not just Thanksgiving and you're not threatening to
Speaker 5: throw sweet potatoes at your uncle.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like there are people in very life and death
Speaker 5: situation and decisions have to get made very quickly.
Speaker 4: Now switching gears a little bit here, I'm from Chicago.
Speaker 4: I I know your reputation. I saw you in Chicago
Speaker 4: perform Uh not only are you wonderful on the big screen,
Speaker 4: but also live in theater. And I know not only
Speaker 4: do you do live theater, I know you also perform music.
Speaker 4: You cover historic bands and there are their historic albums.
Speaker 4: I know you also do improv. Is there is there
Speaker 4: such had a what? But yeah, kind of it's sort
Speaker 4: of I'm assuming it's like a who's line is any
Speaker 4: way type situation, a lot of props and a lot
Speaker 4: of I'm kidding. I wouldn't insult long form in.
Speaker 8: I Ride the Passive Fire. It's just funny to see
Speaker 8: a grown man with a passion.
Speaker 4: Are you drawn to that type of things? I feel
Speaker 4: like you're known for more for your your heavy, heavier,
Speaker 4: more dramatic performances. Do you sort of have to indulge
Speaker 4: the other side?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 8: Gee, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like I don't do enough, Like there's things
Speaker 5: like I should try other things, uh, and keep diversifying
Speaker 5: my portfolio as it were. But then I think, well,
Speaker 5: you hear a lot of times just stay in your lane,
Speaker 5: you know, whether that's with your work or your opinions
Speaker 5: or whatever. You know, just stay in your lane. So
Speaker 5: I'm kind of conscious of that too. Like the music stuff,
Speaker 5: people are always like, what happened to your band or
Speaker 5: what's going on with that?
Speaker 8: And I was like, uh, it just.
Speaker 5: Started to feel well, it just started to feel like
Speaker 5: like cause, I mean, who wants to actor? Bands are
Speaker 5: like I'm embarrassed by them, and I'm an actor, so
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't want to participate in that.
Speaker 5: Like I remember when I and I freaking love Kevin
Speaker 5: Bacon so much.
Speaker 8: But I remember I don't want to like the Bacon brothers.
Speaker 8: On Jay Lenno, I was like, I know you hear
Speaker 8: like I hear.
Speaker 4: Joe Scarborough talk about his band and you're like, God,
Speaker 4: bless go go with God there, Joe, go with God.
Speaker 5: Are certain people that I won't mention who come into
Speaker 5: the makeup trailer in the morning and they say, hey,
Speaker 5: have you heard my album and then they put it
Speaker 5: on while everybody's getting their hair done and make you
Speaker 5: listen to the record.
Speaker 3: You haven't done that, but I've said I wasn't gonna mention.
Speaker 8: I didn't want to incriminate mysell with this.
Speaker 4: Michael said, tell me there has been a moment where
Speaker 4: you have walked up very seriously and asked somebody to
Speaker 4: come to your improv show.
Speaker 8: Well, you, I never know. I don't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm usually writing someone else's coat tails, though, as
Speaker 5: you know, I'm performing oftentimes with two of the legendary
Speaker 5: improvisers of all time, Dave Pesquas and TJ.
Speaker 8: Jagadowska. Yeah, so the grandest of all time.
Speaker 5: Yes, so, I mean you can basically just stand on
Speaker 5: stage next to him, drool on your shoes, and it'll
Speaker 5: be like Bravo, you know, because nobody's watching you anyway.
Speaker 4: I think, though, you're not truly an improviser until you
Speaker 4: beg somebody to come to one of your shows.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well and you because you did the io Yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: they would have like five hundred shows a day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was like one after the other after the other.
Speaker 4: Did you ever come and see any of my shows.
Speaker 8: No, not in one. Not interested.
Speaker 4: And I was in the Second City, which was literally
Speaker 4: two blocks from your theater. I'm sure you came to
Speaker 4: see some of that too.
Speaker 8: Well that's just a little corporate, isn't it. It's got
Speaker 8: a little oh am, I in trouble enough.
Speaker 4: It's not corporate. It's just owned by venture capitalists. Now,
Speaker 4: so if that's important corporate, then yeah, maybe it's corporate. U.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: me burn down any bridges I have in Chicago. O.
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