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Speaker 2: Here we go again today with some important voting that's

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Speaker 2: going to take place this hour before we're done, having

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Speaker 2: seen a rule pass on the House floor last hour

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Speaker 2: that gives us a sense of how this might go.

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Speaker 2: Reminding you that we are in a partial government shutdown

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Speaker 2: right now. What's about to take place is likely going

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Speaker 2: to end that for at least a couple of weeks time,

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Speaker 2: remembering a two week continuing resolution in place for the

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Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security, all the other agencies, the other

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Speaker 2: half dozen or so fully funded, but that two week

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Speaker 2: cr on DHS could bring us back to this same

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Speaker 2: point days from now. President Trump talked to reporters in

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Speaker 2: the Oval Office ahead of his evening on the phone

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Speaker 2: with Anna Paulina Luna and Tim Burchett. He managed to

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Speaker 2: dislodge those two Republican votes ahead of the rule. Speaker

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Speaker 2: Johnson flipped two others on the floor to get us

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Speaker 2: to this point.

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Speaker 3: Here's the president from yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I spoke with Speaker Johnson, I spoke with Leader Thun

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Speaker 4: and thank You're pretty close to a resolution. You know,

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Speaker 4: we were at five point six percent GGP and we

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Speaker 5: Of the forty two day shutdown.

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Speaker 3: Think of that, we would have been at seven.

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Speaker 5: Nobody ever saw a number like seven. It's very bad

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Speaker 4: I spoke with Senator Schumer numerous times, and I don't

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Speaker 4: think they want.

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Speaker 5: To see a shutdown.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Bloomberg's Washington correspondent, Tyler Kendall, who's on

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Speaker 2: a chilly North lawn right now waiting for the rest

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Speaker 2: of this to take place. Tyler, it's good to have

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Speaker 2: you back with us. The President has what he likes

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Speaker 2: to call signing time on the schedule for later in

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Speaker 2: the day. Is he expecting you were hoping to sign

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Speaker 2: this bill?

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Speaker 6: Well, he definitely would like to, Joe, because, as we've

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Speaker 6: heard from President Trump before, he is hoping to end

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Speaker 6: this partial government shutdown as quickly as possible. As we've

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Speaker 6: including the delay to the BLS's Jobs report that was

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Speaker 6: set to be released later this week. The thing is

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Speaker 6: President Trump is personally involved now as these negotiations are

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Speaker 6: heading towards their final vote. As you mentioned, we have

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Speaker 6: already cleared that key procedural hurdle, so this is looking

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Speaker 6: this really was only negotiated between the White House and

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Speaker 6: that's why we started to see some of those last

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Speaker 6: we should say that we did see some perhaps by

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned all of that, Tyler.

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Speaker 6: Going to be a critical question. Now. Yesterday he was

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Speaker 6: So we're going to be watching for clues over the

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Speaker 6: as we head into the midterms, it is going to

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Speaker 2: Well, this is why a lot of Republicans, by the way,

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Speaker 2: we're saying two weeks was not enough procedurally, I believe

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Speaker 2: it was Patrick McHenry who said on Friday they need

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Speaker 2: procedural elements that go into all of this. Hey, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the president's schedule today's he's in the

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Speaker 3: No press inside. Do we know what they're doing?

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Speaker 6: No press inside. The Columbian President Petro arrived here around

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot that could be on the table today.

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Speaker 6: We did get a readout from the Colombian government side

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Speaker 2: Fascinating. I can't wait to hear about the readout. If

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Speaker 2: they do, let reporters in. Tyler will be in the

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Speaker 3: Tyler.

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Speaker 2: On the of course, behalf of our audience will stay

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Speaker 2: close to Tyler Kendall at the White House, the President

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Speaker 2: on True Social just last evening, I am working hard

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Speaker 2: I will sign it into law immediately. We heard from

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Speaker 3: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 7: We have two weeks now to negotiate in good faith

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Speaker 7: as well. We have to make sure we maintain the

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Speaker 7: the government shut down, they're pointless. Obstruction is going to

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Speaker 7: We've secured, or immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 2: We bring in a voice from Speaker Johnson's Republican conference.

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman Aaron Houchin is back with US Republican from Indiana's

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Speaker 3: Congresswoman, it's good to see you.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a very busy day, so thanks for

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Speaker 2: sharing some time with us here on Bloomberg TV and radio.

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Speaker 2: We understand the vote on the underlying bill will take

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Speaker 3: And are you a yes? Yes?

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Speaker 8: I will thank you. I will be a yes vote

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say that, because I believe, according

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Speaker 8: I do think so, because there are Democrats that have

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Speaker 8: So if they vote against the appropriations package, then they

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Speaker 8: you certainly. The rule is a procedural vote that Democrats

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Speaker 8: You would see Republicans universally voting against the procedural rule,

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Speaker 8: they're freer to vote for those things, and you will

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Speaker 3: Well, this is how the game is played, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious if there any deals were made today

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman for better or worse? The Speaker had to flip

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Speaker 2: Andy Ogles and John Rose. Was there anything that was

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Speaker 8: Not to my knowledge. I certainly wasn't part of those conversations.

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Speaker 8: But I'm glad to see that our colleague supported the rule.

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Speaker 8: It's an important procedural vote that allows us to move

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Speaker 8: we don't like to see our own members holding up

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Speaker 8: our rules. I serve on the Rules Committee that serves

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Speaker 8: I wasn't privy to those, but glad to see our

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Speaker 2: Well, Congresswoman, I salute you for your duty on the

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great to spend some time with you, a Congresswoman.

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Speaker 2: We'll be ready to geek out with you anytime. Thanks

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Speaker 3: What is happening with bitcoin? How about this? Down?

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Speaker 2: Over four thousand dollars right now? Five percent? Seventy four

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Speaker 2: and the vis now retakes nineteen. I guess Washington isn't

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Speaker 3: Presumably on ice.

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Speaker 2: our political panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Genie

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Speaker 2: There was some confusion, I think among Democrats here, Genie,

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Speaker 10: highly unlikely that Johnson's going to have the votes to

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Speaker 10: pass that, as we've seen in this instance, you know,

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Speaker 10: couple of Republicans who will unlikely vote for this in

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Speaker 10: the House of Representatives, stopping the momentum for it. And

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Speaker 10: I would say close to debt on arrival in the

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Speaker 10: Senate only because you need a pass a lot of

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Speaker 10: Democrats five to pass it, and you're not going to

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Speaker 10: get those. So it's a bit of an exercise if

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Speaker 10: there's a performative aspect of this budget, it's this one issue.

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Speaker 10: And I guess they think it's good politics at home,

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Speaker 2: Agree with that when Jeanie, the Save Act is something

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Speaker 2: that's beginning a lot of talk on social media. It's

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Speaker 2: not often where I have people randomly kind of asking

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Speaker 2: me about what are you hearing about this? This is

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Speaker 2: something that's grabbed the attention of a lot of people

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Speaker 9: It has, and you know, we even heard Ron Johnson say, well,

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Speaker 9: we're going to demand things like ending sanctuary cities and

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Speaker 9: passing the Save Act. And so it is on both

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Speaker 9: you know, in both the House and the Senate, you're

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Speaker 9: hearing about it. I don't think it has a chance

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Speaker 9: in heck of getting through the Senate because I can't

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Speaker 9: imagine you're going to get Democratic votes on that. And

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Speaker 9: also given what has happened in just the last few

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Speaker 9: days in terms of the president yesterday, as we talked

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Speaker 9: about calling for nationalization of elections in the United States

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Speaker 9: at the raid the other day in Bolton in Fulton County,

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Speaker 9: and Georgia. These kinds of things, the demands by the

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Speaker 9: DOJ for voter roles are making it very difficult for

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Speaker 9: Democrats and I'm certain some Republicans in the middle to

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Speaker 9: allow for a movement forward on any kind of nationalization

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Speaker 9: of voting. And while process wise, of course, at the

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Speaker 9: Congress passes and the president's signs, that's okay, but there

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Speaker 9: is a huge concern here going into the midterm that

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Speaker 9: the president is working because he is deeply concerned that

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Speaker 9: the Republicans are in really big trouble when it comes

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Speaker 9: to the election, and of course the polls now suggest

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Speaker 9: if something doesn't change in the next ten months, he's

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Speaker 9: in deep trouble, and there's concern he's going to take

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Speaker 9: steps to ensure that he's got some control over this,

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Speaker 9: and that involves centralization and nationalization of voting.

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Speaker 2: Genie's referring to comments the President made on the Dan

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Speaker 2: Bongino program yesterday. The former deputy FBI director is back

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Speaker 2: on his show or podcast, whatever.

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Speaker 3: We call it.

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Speaker 2: We should take over the voting, he said Rick In

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Speaker 2: at least fifteen places the Republicans ought to nationalize the voting.

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Speaker 3: This is obviously not something.

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Speaker 2: That is out of the conservative gospel when we consider

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Speaker 2: states rights and in fact the United States Constitution. John

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Speaker 2: the Save Act and what the President said about nationalizing elections.

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm supportive of only citizens voting showing idea

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Speaker 2: at polling places. I think that makes sense, which is

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Speaker 2: what the bill under consideration would do. But I am

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Speaker 2: not in favor of federalizing elections. I think that is

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Speaker 2: a constitutional issue. Did he just put this to bed?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think he put it to bed as far

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Speaker 10: as any legislative effort. But you really wonder what this

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Speaker 10: administration is willing to do on its own right. We've

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Speaker 10: seen them stretch the roles of the presidency to assume

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Speaker 10: many traditionally roles of Congress, and so I don't think

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Speaker 10: that will slow the White House down. They're going to

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Speaker 10: continue to talk about these issues. I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 10: at the Fulton County investigation and the DOJ grabbing their

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Speaker 10: ballot roles. That could likely happen in other places. It's

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Speaker 10: certainly not the only place that the President complained about

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Speaker 10: the outcome of the election in twenty twenty, and look

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Speaker 10: We've been hearing about this since twenty twenty I suspect

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Speaker 10: we're going to be continuing to hear about it all

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Speaker 10: the way through twenty twenty eight. How this can impact

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Speaker 10: the midterms is a little bit questionable to me, because

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Speaker 10: it seems too late to actually enact any kind of

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Speaker 10: voting activity that would be considered federalizing the act of voting,

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Speaker 10: which is clearly what the President is attempting to do.

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Speaker 10: Doesn't do him any good if it's after the midterms,

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Speaker 10: because he won't be on the ballot, and it will

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Speaker 10: have resulted in probably a negative connotation of voters. I mean,

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Speaker 10: this does have an impact on how people feel about

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Speaker 10: the President, the Republican Party, and voters. And when we

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Speaker 10: turn the party upside down and say one day we're

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Speaker 10: for states rights, but the next we say we're only

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Speaker 10: for states rights and states I win, isn't a confidence

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Speaker 10: builder to the American electorate.

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Speaker 2: Spending time with Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanzano, there's been

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Speaker 2: one other breaker that came off Capitol Hill today, Genie,

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Speaker 2: that I need to ask you about quickly before you go,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to be testimony by Bill and Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: The House Oversight Committee has put dates on it February

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Speaker 2: twenty six and twenty seven. The chair, James Comer, quoted

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Speaker 2: by the Oversight committee Twitter handle, once it became clear,

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Speaker 2: he says, we would hold them in contempt. The Clinton's

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Speaker 2: completely caved and will appear for transcribed filmed depositions this month. Unquote.

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Speaker 2: The post says, no one is above the law. What

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Speaker 2: will Americans see when the former president and former secretary

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Speaker 9: You know, I think the Clinton's.

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Speaker 3: May the right decision.

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Speaker 9: I think they should testify. I think when you are called,

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Speaker 9: you should, and I would hope that James Comer takes

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Speaker 9: as tough of a stand on everybody who has had

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Speaker 9: relationships as we have seen in the last latest dump

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Speaker 9: and the ones previously of the Epstein files, and probably

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Speaker 9: more to come if at least some of the victims

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Speaker 9: have their way, he should be equally as tough on

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Speaker 9: everybody else to be called, including the current President of

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Speaker 9: the United States, who the New York Times said was

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Speaker 9: mentioned in the latest batch. I think something like forty

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Speaker 9: three hundred times.

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Speaker 3: So yes, the.

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Speaker 9: Clintons should testify, and so too should the other people

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Speaker 9: implicated if Congress indeed is going to be working to

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Speaker 9: pass legislation that pertains to making sure something this egregious

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Speaker 9: doesn't happen again, as it has with the Epstein files

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Speaker 9: and the Epstein issue from start to finish over the

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Speaker 9: last twenty years, with a thousand or more young women

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Speaker 9: who are victimized in this horrific situation.

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Speaker 2: Great conversation as always with Rick and Genie. Thank you

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Speaker 2: both Bloomberg Politics contributors. Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis with

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Speaker 2: us here on Balance of Power. Stay with us on

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Speaker 2: Balance of Power. We'll have much more coming up after this.

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Speaker 2: We're getting to that magic moment in the US House.

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Speaker 2: As we mentioned, a floor vote is set for just

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Speaker 2: moments from now to reopen the portions of government that

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Speaker 2: have been closed since last week. And of course we're

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Speaker 2: going to be considering the future of the Department of

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Speaker 2: Homeland Security.

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Speaker 3: That one is zeroed out.

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Speaker 2: That's just a flat continuing resolution for two weeks while

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Speaker 2: lawmakers presumably negotiate new restrictions on ICE. I asked Senator

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Speaker 2: John Corner about that negotiation, the Republican from Texas running

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Speaker 2: for reelection, suggesting his opposition to any number of ideas,

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Speaker 2: including removing masks from ICE agents.

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Speaker 11: Listen, I'm always for seeing how we can improve current operations,

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Speaker 11: and that includes ICE, and I believe mister Homan, who's

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Speaker 11: now in charge up in Minnesota at Minneapolis, has said

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Speaker 11: the same thing. But I don't believe there is enough

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Speaker 11: time to open this whole range of topics, nor do

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Speaker 11: I think we should. Because these are professional law enforcement officers.

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Speaker 11: One of the main problems and what's happened in places

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Speaker 11: like Minneapolis, is these are sanctuary jurisdictions. They don't cooperate

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Speaker 11: with law enforcement at the federal level, and so the

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Speaker 11: ICE has no alternative but to make these detentions in

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Speaker 11: the general population. And of course you have various instigators

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Speaker 11: interrupting and interceding, sometimes with disastrous concertquences. So I don't

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Speaker 11: think I think while certainly these institutional reforms are important

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Speaker 11: and I would support trying to make it better. This, unfortunately,

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Speaker 11: is part of the same sort of strain of thought

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Speaker 11: that gave us defund the police and abolish ICE, and

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Speaker 11: I think we have to enforce the law, and that's

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Speaker 11: what President Trump believes as well.

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Speaker 2: Are you just to be clear, open to demasking ICE

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Speaker 2: agents when they're working in the field.

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Speaker 11: I think that's an insult ice agents. We know that

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Speaker 11: ICE agents are going to be targeted by some of

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Speaker 11: these instigators what I call really they are essentially asking

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Speaker 11: for anarchy, certainly chaos, because if we abandoned the rule

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Speaker 11: of law, that's all we have left. And so these

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Speaker 11: ICE agents are being targeted by some of the anti

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Speaker 11: ICE instigators and I think in some instances their identity

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Speaker 11: should be protected.

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Speaker 3: But this is just to me, just a ridiculous request. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, just to be clear before we move on to

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Speaker 2: some other issues here, Senator, following these two fatal shootings

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Speaker 2: that we saw in Minneapolis, you don't feel any different

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Speaker 2: about restrictions on ICE.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think the main thing that needs to be

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Speaker 11: done is that the Minneapolis in Minnesota needs to quit

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Speaker 11: refusing to cooperate with federal law enforcement officers. You don't

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Speaker 11: see this happening in Texas because when illegal aliens are

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Speaker 11: apprehended for some state or local violation, they are routinely

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Speaker 11: handed over to ICE at the jail and then subject

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Speaker 11: to deportation. But when local law enforcement or state law enforcement,

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Speaker 11: and some of these sanctuary jurisdictions don't do it, ICE

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Speaker 11: has no alternative but to try to go knock on

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Speaker 11: a door and make an arrest when they believe they

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Speaker 11: have a legal alien evating elating, evading apprehension. Excuse me, so,

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Speaker 11: I think unfortunately in both of these instances, these individuals

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Speaker 11: did not cooperate with law enforcement, and unfortunately that when

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Speaker 11: that happens, tragedies like this occur, which are regrettable. But

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Speaker 11: I think the answer to it is for the sanctuary

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Speaker 11: jurisdictions to cooperate with federal law enforcement so the federal

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Speaker 11: immigration laws can be enforced, hopefully without these kind of

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Speaker 11: tragedies occurring.

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Speaker 3: There's the take from Senator John Cornyn.

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Speaker 2: You can hear that full interview, by the way, on

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Speaker 2: the late edition of Balance of Power. It starts five

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Speaker 2: pm here on Bloomberg TV and radio. We can tell

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Speaker 2: you the House has started voting right on time. As

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Speaker 2: go with a live view of the House floor. This

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Speaker 2: is the vote that would reopen the portions of government

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Speaker 2: that have been left closed and a continuing resolution, a

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Speaker 2: two weeks cr for the Department of Homeland Security. I

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Speaker 2: want to mention before compare notes with Jim Messina, and

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Speaker 2: I've been looking forward to this conversation. An important interview

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Speaker 2: that is on the way with a CEO and president

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Speaker 2: of Novo Nordisk, a company of course that is in

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Speaker 2: its forecast. Mikedaustar is going to be sitting down with

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Speaker 2: Romain Bostak and Katie Greifeld.

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Speaker 3: That's about ten minutes from now.

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Speaker 2: Jim Messina, of course, the Democratic strategist, the brains behind

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Speaker 2: the Barack Obama twenty twelve reelection campaign, and the founder

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Speaker 2: of Messina Group, is with us in studio right now

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Speaker 2: to talk about this delicate moment in American politics.

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Speaker 3: Jim, it's great to see you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us in studio as my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I hope your year is starting off well. It's really

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Speaker 2: cold around here. You don't live in Washington anymore. It's

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Speaker 2: not always like this. Jim As.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're encased in ICE.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how anyone's supposed to get anything done

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Speaker 2: around here, but it appears they're going to pass this

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Speaker 2: legislation today. We're probably going to come back in another

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Speaker 2: two weeks or so and do this all over ten day, right?

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Speaker 3: Is that how you figured?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Ten day extension and then we're going to be right

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Speaker 12: back at this having the same debate on DHS and

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Speaker 12: ICE reform. I wish they would have done it now

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Speaker 12: and get this over with, but they're going to pass it.

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Speaker 12: We're going to now go into conference and hope we

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Speaker 12: can iron some of these details out.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: So how does this debate unfold? You heard John Cornyn

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Speaker 2: just now I realize he's a Texas Republican running for reelection. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but he says that the idea of demasking ICE agents

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Speaker 2: is an insult to those agents. Are Democrats about to

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Speaker 2: be disappointed in this debate?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I think it take away the politics because

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Speaker 12: Cendra Cornyn is in a very tough primary, so it

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Speaker 12: has to sound a little more right wing in his

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Speaker 12: Texas primary. So I get that, But what the country wants,

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Speaker 12: we should go back to what voters want, and what

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Speaker 12: voters want is some common sense reform. They want the

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Speaker 12: laws enforced, they want illegals to be taken out of

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Speaker 12: our country. But they don't want people to run around

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Speaker 12: without warrants. They don't want people to not have masks.

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Speaker 12: They want body cams. They want what normal police officers have.

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Speaker 12: Normal police officers have body cams and warrants and IDs.

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Speaker 12: Why wouldn't we do exactly the same for ice.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you just wonder if there's going to be any

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Speaker 2: motion and negotiations when we have a major lack of

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Speaker 2: trust on Capitol Hill and in Congress that's happy to

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Speaker 2: do crs for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, could we be in a perpetual homeland cer?

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Speaker 5: I mean, if we are, the Republicans are going to

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Speaker 5: lose the House. You cannot.

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Speaker 12: At some point you have to run for reelection saying

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Speaker 12: you did something. And you and I, who followed this

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Speaker 12: every single day, couldn't pass a light detector on what

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Speaker 12: the Republican.

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Speaker 5: House has done.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's quite a statement. I want you to

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Speaker 2: listen to the newest member of Congress. Maybe you've met him,

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Speaker 2: maybe you helped them. A Democrat from Texas named Christian

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Speaker 2: Menafee was sworn in last evening, elected over the weekend

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Speaker 2: in a special strident in his language about controlling these

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Speaker 2: ice rates.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 13: You can't take something that was created and has been

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Speaker 13: radicalized to this level, that has harmed so many people

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Speaker 13: and try to have minor reforms on it in a

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Speaker 13: way that you think is going to protect people. I

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Speaker 13: think that they are far past the line. And after

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Speaker 13: folks are executing the street, it's time to tear it down.

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Speaker 2: Executed in the street, he said, tear it down to

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Speaker 2: the stud He is the words abolish ice. Is that

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Speaker 2: going to be the mantra? Or does that make you

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Speaker 2: worry that it sounds a lot like defund the police.

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Speaker 12: We should not abolish ice? Well, we should do is

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Speaker 12: real re form, some very common sense reform that Americans want,

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Speaker 12: and that's really easy to do. You and I could

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Speaker 12: write it on a piece of paper right now and

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Speaker 12: vote two to nothing and get this thing done. But

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Speaker 12: I don't think abolishing ice is the democratic message.

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Speaker 5: Nor do I think it should be.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be hearing members of Congress say this,

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Speaker 2: How does that impact the debate as we go through

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Speaker 2: the midterm cycle. This is an issue when it comes

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Speaker 2: to immigration, that helped re elect the president and it's

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Speaker 2: one that has been dogging his administration right now. To Democrats,

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Speaker 2: run the risk of screwing up the messaging.

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Speaker 12: Well, look what is true as we're only here right

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Speaker 12: now to your point because the President has screwed up

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Speaker 12: the politics and he's now saying to his party, we

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Speaker 12: got to fix this. His numbers on immigration went from

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Speaker 12: plus fifteen and the country now to minus ten. The

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Speaker 12: country does not like what they're seeing on TV. You

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Speaker 12: can't hide from this, and they want some real reform

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Speaker 12: and there's going to be a political price to be

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Speaker 12: paid to anyone who fights that reform.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, we're talking about the prospect of nationalizing elections on

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Speaker 2: this program.

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Speaker 5: Now there's a terrible idea.

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Speaker 3: I never thought we'd have this conversation.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that many Republicans or Democrats would be

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Speaker 2: in favor of it, but the President did float that

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Speaker 2: idea on the Dan Bongino program yesterday. It was kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting that he is talking to his former deputy

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Speaker 2: FBI director following the raids that we saw in Fulton County.

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Speaker 2: I want to be careful here and not paraphrase. Listen

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Speaker 2: to what exactly Donald Trump said about nationalizing elections.

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Speaker 14: The Republicans should say, we want to take over, we

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Speaker 14: should take over the voting, the voting and at least

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Speaker 14: many fifteen places, the Republicans are to nationalize the voting.

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Speaker 14: And we have states that are so crooked and.

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Speaker 3: The county votes. We have states that I won that

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Speaker 3: Joe I didn't win. Well, what would happen if we nationalized

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Speaker 3: our elections? And do you take him literally on this?

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Speaker 5: Oh? I absolutely take him literally. He really wants to.

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Speaker 12: I mean, he's the guy who said there wouldn't be

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Speaker 12: another election if he got elected, right, So he's been

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Speaker 12: saying this is not breaking news. I think what is

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Speaker 12: true is no one wants the federal government involved in elections,

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Speaker 12: including the framers of our constitution. Right, We've been very

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Speaker 12: clear about these are state activities. The states should govern them,

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Speaker 12: the states should make these things, and the federal government

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Speaker 12: ought to stay the hell out of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, so, but you're you're a democratic strategist, and you're

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Speaker 2: sitting on this side of the aisle looking at President

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Speaker 2: Trump begin to dismantle Republican orthodoxy. How do you strategize

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Speaker 2: against that by.

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Speaker 12: Pulling the sane, common sense Republicans into the debate to say,

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Speaker 12: this is exactly what we should not do.

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Speaker 3: What John Thune said exactly right.

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Speaker 12: And you're seeing more and more people join the Democrats

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Speaker 12: and saying, no, this is exactly what we shouldn't do.

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Speaker 5: This is not who we are as Americans. This is

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Speaker 5: not the Framers.

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Speaker 12: The only the reason you want to nationalize an election, Joe,

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Speaker 12: is if you want to stop elections, and if you

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Speaker 12: want to control elections.

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Speaker 5: And our entire system is.

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Speaker 12: Designed to have check and balances to not allow the

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Speaker 12: leader to control his own election. We know what that is.

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Speaker 12: It's called authoritarian government. And I don't think anyone wants that,

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Speaker 12: except for maybe Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: This isn't pro clutching then from progressives, they say he

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Speaker 2: obviously the president still believes that twenty twenty was rigged.

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Speaker 2: He wants to nationalize this election so he can rig it,

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Speaker 2: and he's got his own personal army that we've seen

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Speaker 2: on the streets of American cities like Minneapolis. Because that's

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Speaker 2: what some progressives are saying publicly here is that going

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Speaker 2: a little far.

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Speaker 5: Well, what I.

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Speaker 12: Think is important is to just put aside to politics

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Speaker 12: for a second, is to look what he's saying, and

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Speaker 12: what he's saying is he wants to run the elections,

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Speaker 12: which is illegal, be not what the country wants and

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Speaker 12: see it's unconstitutional, and so we audified him all the

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Speaker 12: way on this, and it's an issue that will be

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Speaker 12: joined by a bunch of Republicans.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be busy, I'm sure at Messina group

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Speaker 2: working on midterm messaging. I don't know if you're doing

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Speaker 2: campaigns or isshy as you can tell us about that.

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Speaker 2: What will be a more potent issue for you? Will

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Speaker 2: it be the affordability issue or what we've seen when

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Speaker 2: it comes to ice and in this case the killing

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Speaker 2: of two Americans a.

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Speaker 12: Thousand times percent. It ought to be the economy. I mean,

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Speaker 12: voters are out there are struggling in this economy. The

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Speaker 12: average swing voter is two point eight jobs and works

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Speaker 12: thinks about politics four minutes a week. Like these people

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Speaker 12: are out there suffering and they want to know what

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Speaker 12: Washington and what their elected officials are going to do

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Speaker 12: to make their lives better. And Democrats ought to hone

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Speaker 12: in on that and stay in that. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 12: we shouldn't talk about ice. That doesn't mean we shouldn't

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Speaker 12: fight for what we think is right in common sense reforms.

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Speaker 12: But our continued mantra for the next however many days

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Speaker 12: to the election, has to be economic. It has to

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Speaker 12: be about cost of living, because that's what voters are

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Speaker 12: asking for. President has gone from beating Kamala Harris by

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Speaker 12: eight points on the economy to now trailing the Democrats

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Speaker 12: by fifteen points on the economy, in part because he's

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Speaker 12: doing all these other things all over the world, getting

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Speaker 12: involved in these other countries, and voters don't think he's

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Speaker 12: focused on the economy. Joe Democrats can be seen as

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Speaker 12: focusing on the economy.

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Speaker 5: We will win in November.

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Speaker 2: You might have seen the headline today and it's been

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Speaker 2: confirmed by the Oversight Committee. Bill and Hillary Clinton we'll

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Speaker 2: be testifying before Jim Comer's committee in February twenty sixth

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Speaker 2: and twenty seventh. This is an Epstein related conversation, and

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Speaker 2: they were going to be facing criminal contempt. Otherwise, what

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Speaker 2: are we going to see to stoneface? Clinton's not answering questions.

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Speaker 2: How would you advise them to comport themselves in that

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Speaker 2: public forum?

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Speaker 12: Well, I used to be the deputy chief of Staff

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Speaker 12: at the White House. I said to people all the time,

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Speaker 12: is when people show up with Warren to answer questions,

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Speaker 12: and it would be very clear. I think they're doing

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Speaker 12: the right thing to answer these questions. That said, the

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Speaker 12: committee has a responsibility to be bipartisan, to be both sides.

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Speaker 12: You know, let's be honest. Calling Bill and Hillary up

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Speaker 12: is about trying to change the subject and get the

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Speaker 12: subject off the president and the Epstein files and on

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Speaker 12: to Bill Clinton. Trying to get Clinton and Hillary involved

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Speaker 12: in this stuff for fifteen years. Why would they stop now?

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Speaker 12: But where are the other.

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Speaker 5: People who are involved?

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Speaker 12: Where are the Republicans who are in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 12: It has to be both sides or the public is

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Speaker 12: going to look at this and say this is just

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Speaker 12: more political bs.

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Speaker 3: It's great to have you back in the capital. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for spending some time on my pleasure.

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