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Speaker 1: Welcome the Giants Draft Reaction Show presented by Crestron. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmelk. Join my compatriots here, Paul Detino, Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl Champion Sean O'Hara. Guys, we're gonna do a lot

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Speaker 1: of talking about who the Giants selected. A third overall

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Speaker 1: pick they pick is in. As soon as we have it,

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Speaker 1: we will give it to you. We are coming to

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Speaker 1: you live from the Hackensack and Britany Health podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting better, and then we will take your calls

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Speaker 1: at two A, one nine, three nine four five one

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Speaker 1: three and get your reaction to whoever the Giants pick

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Speaker 1: here with the third overall selection, We've already had some

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Speaker 1: excitement tonight boys, cam Ward going one. That's chalk, but

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Speaker 1: a humongous trade with the Jaguars, moving from pick number

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Speaker 1: five up the pick number two with the Browns. I

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Speaker 1: won't get into all the details, but the theme of it.

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Speaker 1: They give up their second round pick this year. They

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Speaker 1: swap two and five, also giving the Browns their first

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Speaker 1: round pick next year. As the Browns clearly going into

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a rebuild mode here considering what

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Speaker 1: happened with the Shawn Watson and trying to get future capital.

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Speaker 1: But the Giants are up here at number three. Sean O'Hara,

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Speaker 1: where is your head at right now?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think when you're looking at right now

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Speaker 2: with Hunter off the board, with cam Ward as everybody expected,

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Speaker 2: Abdul Carter right now as a game wrecker, I think

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Speaker 2: that's who the Giants are locked in on. And I

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Speaker 2: think when you look at what he brings to the table,

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Speaker 2: he's a guy that you can't miss on.

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Speaker 1: And the Giants do select Abdul Carter out of Penn State.

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Speaker 1: They showed the edge player, they showed the Giants war room.

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Speaker 1: Once I saw Charlie Bowen there, the Giants had outside

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Speaker 1: linebackers coach. That was a bit of a clue as

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Speaker 1: they were going to pay fall exactly. Abdul Carter guys

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Speaker 1: three year player out of Penn State six or eight,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty four pounds. Keep in mind he

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Speaker 1: did not weigh in at the Combine this year because

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Speaker 1: of the injury that he suffered with the foot. This

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Speaker 1: is going off Bruce Feldman's freaks list from the preseason,

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Speaker 1: which is usually as accurate as you can get. Six three,

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Speaker 1: two fifty four. According to Penn state, a four four

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Speaker 1: eight forty yard dash, a four to three five shuttle,

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Speaker 1: velocity on the field is showing of twenty two miles

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Speaker 1: per hour last year, number one in the FBS and

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Speaker 1: tackles for loss with twenty three and a half, number

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Speaker 1: seven in sacks with twelve and a half, and number

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Speaker 1: two in pressures with sixty six. According to Dan Brugler's

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Speaker 1: b SO, this guy is a fast up the field

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Speaker 1: edge rusher with a variety of moves speed, quickness, speed

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Speaker 1: to power, dip, bend flexibility. This guy is a terror.

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Speaker 1: I've had multiple people on the Johns Little podcasts that

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Speaker 1: have come on compare him to Von Miller, which speaks volumes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Von Miller was you know, Super Bowl MVP, super

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Speaker 2: Bowl fifty. When you look at at what Abdua Carter

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Speaker 2: brings to the table, you just rattle off a bunch

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Speaker 2: of statistics. And I was told there'd be no math today.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't asking you to do, man.

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Speaker 2: I think stats on it phenomenal and it tells you

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Speaker 2: on paper what this guy looks like. When you turn

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Speaker 2: on the film and you watch this guy, what comes

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Speaker 2: to mind is if you've ever seen that movie Takeing

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Speaker 2: Liam Neeson. So this guy has a special set of skills.

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Speaker 2: He just has a knack for after the quarterback. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. They can't always finish the play, they

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Speaker 2: can't always take the quarterback down. When he gets in

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Speaker 1: When he hits them, that's just ended burst right to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that burst. His get off number one is I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's extraordinary. And I go back to a guy I

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Speaker 2: play with Ocu Minyora. That was his gift. His gift

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Speaker 2: was the getoff. Now, he had a couple of off

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Speaker 1: You live with that.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, you absolutely live with that because when he's right,

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Speaker 2: he's in the backfield and he's wreaking havoc. So I

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Speaker 2: this is a no brainer. And this was probably one

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Speaker 2: of Joe Shane's easiest picks since he's been the general

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you think for the third overall pick, you're

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Speaker 1: talked about it this entire process. There were only a

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Speaker 1: the edge rusher who if you believe all the people

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Speaker 1: out there that talk about this, those were the blue

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Speaker 3: And as Joe Shane said, those are the kinds of

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Speaker 3: pass on them. So it's really not a surprise. He

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Speaker 3: pretty much telegraphed everybody what their philosophy was going to be. Now,

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Speaker 3: for those of you who remember some of the Giants

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Speaker 3: championship days, we're talking about Abdul Carter, who had six

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Speaker 3: three round two fifty.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: That's the same frame and body type as Pepper Johnson,

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Speaker 3: but he's got Downhill's speed, quickness, and agility far more

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Speaker 3: than just an inside linebacker. He is an edge guy.

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Speaker 3: So think about that. Think about the combination of speed

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Speaker 1: Now, Paul cand I give him in one. In comparison

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Speaker 1: for Giant fans, oce U Minuro was six four, two

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Speaker 4: Last.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but this guy's gonna be a linebacker now, No,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be an edg dresser on the edge, rushing

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. Is he rushing the passer? Is he

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Speaker 3: He's gonna He's gonna run. He will be somewhat of

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Speaker 3: a hybrid. I do think you're right, Sean, because we've

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Speaker 3: discussed many times over the course of the last few

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Speaker 3: you pointed out the math last night on wfa N.

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Speaker 3: The truth is twenty five percent of the time, right,

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Speaker 3: If Thibodeaux is resting twenty five percent of the time

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Speaker 3: be snaps when all three of them play, because he's

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Speaker 3: So there's no reason why all three can't get on

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Speaker 3: the field. I know some people were scared about that.

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Speaker 3: It's not a problem. No, absolutely, Shane Bowen.

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Speaker 2: You know, look we saw him earlier on in the building,

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Speaker 2: like he's got to be ecstatic. Right, last year, you

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Speaker 2: Now it's Shane Bowen's opportunity to say, you've got this

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Speaker 2: make him work. And I think that's where I don't care.

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Speaker 2: If you're a four to three scheme defensive coordinator, all right,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna find a way to get this guy in

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Speaker 2: a stand up position. You're gonna have some three four

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Speaker 2: defense I remember talking to Steve Spagnolo. He was a

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Speaker 2: I spent an entire year just trying to learn a

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Speaker 2: Now Shane Bowen can do that too. So now you

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Speaker 2: And I think having those two guys on that side,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a heck of a defensive front with

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Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence pushing the pocket in the middle right there.

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Speaker 1: And to Ball's point, he did line up as a

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Speaker 1: stand up joker rusher, which the beds that don't understand

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. We see Michael Parsons day got a movie.

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Speaker 1: When they're on the field together in those passers situations,

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Speaker 1: then he can play. That's absolutely That's what he did

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Speaker 1: his first two years in Penn State as an off

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Speaker 1: the Nitley Lions this past year when he racked up

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Speaker 1: all those sacks. Before that, he wasn't inside linebacker, which

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Speaker 1: to me makes the fact that his pass rush repertoire

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still got a lot to learn.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 2: To your point on the Micah Parsons thing, that was

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Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, who was who is a four to three

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Speaker 2: cover three defensive coordinator. Yes, he found a way to

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Speaker 2: get Micah Parsons in on third down, involved in off

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Speaker 2: the ball blitzing, and involved in stunts. So I think, uh,

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Speaker 2: that's a that's really his forte. And I think when

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Speaker 2: you look at this guy as an athlete like OCU,

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Speaker 2: when you are was a phenomenal athlete that built himself

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Speaker 2: into a great pass rusher. This guy played wide receiver

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Speaker 2: He can flat out run. I will say this, Give

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Speaker 2: me a guy who's maybe a little bit lighter than

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Speaker 2: I can always put weight on that guy. You can't

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Speaker 2: always make a heavy guy faster, so it's very hard.

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Speaker 2: I think that he's young, he's twenty one years old.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna come and leave, he's gonna bulke up, and

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Speaker 1: Just sure, and just try to block him. Dexter Lawrence

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Speaker 3: You don't know which gap they're gonna be shooting.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get to your calls in a second.

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Speaker 1: A two on one nine three nine four five one

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Speaker 1: three right here on Giants Draft Reaction brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Creshtron. But first you want to bring in the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Giants, Bob Pappa, who wants to give

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Speaker 1: his take on the Giant selecting Adduel Carter. Of course, Bob,

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Speaker 1: You've been talking about this pick a lot on your

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Speaker 1: Serious XM showing of course our giant platforms as well.

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Speaker 1: And Abdul Carter certainly fits the stereotype of a Giants

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Speaker 1: pass rusher from yesteryear. This guy's going to be a

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Speaker 1: heck of a defender.

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Speaker 1: To your point, the Giants have built strength on strength

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Speaker 3: You know, Bob Joe Shane had told us after the season,

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: And the Giants need listen, the Giants need somebody that

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Speaker 5: gonna win too many times. You know, they've had these

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Speaker 5: but they're no shows and games that are important. Well,

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Speaker 4: Out of it.

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Speaker 1: He's eleven, and he's not wearing fifty six, so he's

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Speaker 2: He's not wearing ninety two tens ten's taking as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just for those if you're watching a home for we've

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Speaker 1: The offensive lineman too, Sewan are Ye are a little disappointed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I don't really know how

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Speaker 6: Does it?

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Speaker 5: Does it almost count? That Travis Hunter's interview on NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 4: So he admitted that he.

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Speaker 5: Wanted to cry, and he felt like crying at that moment,

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Speaker 2: I definitely would have put it on a receiver or

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Speaker 2: When you think back at the Super Bowl, the Philadelphia

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Speaker 5: You have to have guys that can win one Giants fans,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. And and Justin Tuck, you know,

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Speaker 2: They had him, you know, with the first grade talent,

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Speaker 2: and the guards couldn't block them. So that type of player,

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Speaker 2: a guy that can win one on one, you cannot

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Speaker 2: now all of a sudden. Look, there's two ways to get

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Speaker 2: That's what abdul Carter brings. And to your point, the

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Speaker 2: It's painful to here it again, but guess what if

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Speaker 2: to have somebody that can take down Jayson Daniels. You

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Speaker 2: can't just get to him, right, We had a chance

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Speaker 2: We've got a closer. We need to take down Jane Daniels.

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Speaker 2: We got to get pressure on Dak Prescott and we

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Speaker 1: All right, Bob, I ask question.

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Speaker 5: I have just a quick question for you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bob, you stold the question I was going to ask you,

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Speaker 1: So now the pivot points you're looking for if the

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Speaker 1: To Bob's point, you're looking at the Saints at nine,

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Speaker 1: of turkey, right Bob, where you're trying to figure out

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Speaker 5: Exactly, and if they believe that there's a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: All right, Bob, we appreciate it. Thanks for joining us,

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Speaker 5: Gonna you know, I'm assuming when Joe Shane addresses the media.

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Speaker 5: I know last year he told everybody, you guys could

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Speaker 1: Don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be late, Bob.

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Speaker 5: I guess my guess is he's not saying that to

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Speaker 1: I think that is probably true. That's Bob pop a

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Speaker 1: presented by We're up to Bob, presented by Crushing. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Sean a pass there. I've known him

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Speaker 1: But one thing I know about Sean he hates talking

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Speaker 2: The Birds.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about seven I've just had I'm making the joke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I can't even remember what happened what

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, Let's get to the calls. Two on

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Speaker 1: one nine three nine, four five one three. The Browns

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Speaker 1: at two on one nine three nine four five one three.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Sosa in California. Sosa, you're up, first

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Speaker 1: year on the Giants Draft Reaction Show. What's up, Sosa?

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Speaker 5: What's going on today?

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Speaker 1: We're good?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 6: I want to give a shout out to Pully Dots

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Speaker 6: because I feel like he called it. I feel like

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Speaker 6: he called it because because Jaguars, they traded up to

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Speaker 6: go get Travis Hunter, and I, honestly, low key, I

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Speaker 6: feel like Travis Hunter is the the number one player

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Speaker 6: in the draft if you're going best of it, I mean,

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Speaker 6: like overall, you know what I mean. So I think

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Speaker 6: he kind of proved that. So I just wanted to

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Speaker 6: give a shout out to Pully Dots.

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Speaker 5: On that one.

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Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, to be fair, I would have

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Speaker 3: you know, I told people that I thought Hunter and

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Speaker 3: Carter were one and two on my personal list of picks,

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Speaker 3: not who I predict the Giants would take, and Hunter

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Speaker 3: got taken, so Carter was the guy left. So that's

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Speaker 3: kind of the way it fell into my lap, if

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Speaker 3: you will, so.

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Speaker 2: That you did good.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, and I really liked

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Speaker 6: the Carter pick. I'm glad we didn't force anything. I

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Speaker 6: would have to be honest, I would have I would

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Speaker 6: have liked to see us potentially trade back too, But

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Speaker 6: I get it, you know, for us to go get Carter,

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Speaker 6: you know that that makes a lot of sense. Lastly,

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna leave it after this. I've really want

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Speaker 6: us to go get one of these quarterbacks. I think

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Speaker 6: we're probably gonna have to trade up until the end

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Speaker 6: of the first go get one. But I think we

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Speaker 6: could see how it plays out because we never know.

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Speaker 6: Like we were assuming that New Orleans is gonna go

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Speaker 6: for a quarterback, but we don't know that for sure.

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Speaker 6: We're assuming that the Steelers are gonna get one.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna cut you off. I don't think we

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Speaker 1: I don't think we do. Think New Orleans is just

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Speaker 1: picking a quarterback. No, I mean I don't think. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they are. So I think the next.

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Speaker 6: Quarterback I mean the general public. Yeah, the general public,

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Speaker 6: at least from what I've been here, and a lot

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Speaker 6: of people think the Saints. Sorry, but yeah, I hope.

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Speaker 5: We go get one of those guys.

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Speaker 6: My purpose would be Milroe, to be honest, just with

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Speaker 6: the intangibles, the tools, I think cash them up with

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Speaker 6: Dave Ball. I think it'll work out really well. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: great pick.

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Speaker 5: I give it an a.

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Speaker 6: Plus so far. So let's keep you going, Joe, Shane

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Speaker 6: and Staff.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you, thank you appreciate.

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Speaker 1: It so so yeah, I mean, honestly, based on everything

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Speaker 1: we were hearing the last couple of days, another quarterback

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Speaker 1: unlikely to go in the top ten based on what

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Speaker 1: we've heard. But again you got the Steelers saying there

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Speaker 1: were twenty one. There's a chance they take a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and then maybe someone could move back in from the

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Speaker 1: second round to select one. Based on what we're hearing,

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Speaker 1: Ashton genty off the board of number six to the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: If there's one truth in life, if Pete Carroll's coaching

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Speaker 1: a team, they're going to draft a running back and

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Speaker 1: they got the best one in Ashton Jenky. So that

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Speaker 1: actually worked out pretty well for this.

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Speaker 2: Is he not remind you of Beast Mode Part two?

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Speaker 1: It does?

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Speaker 2: Wat Marshall, Lynch and Seattle All those years, and it

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Speaker 2: was Pete that was feeding them until they got to

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Speaker 2: the one yard line.

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Speaker 3: I need to throw another team into this possible quarterback mix.

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Speaker 3: Who's behind tu in Miami Zach Wilson. Do you really

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Speaker 3: think Miami is so thrilled with a tur who's been

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Speaker 3: often injured and Zach Wilson, who has not done much

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Speaker 3: in this league.

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Speaker 1: I think that team needs to win now. I think

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Speaker 1: they paid two a lot of money, and I think

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Speaker 1: they need a lot of players because their cap.

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Speaker 3: He's probably one hit away from retirement.

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Speaker 1: I understand, but I don't think anyone you're drafting there

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Speaker 1: is helping you right away anyway.

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Speaker 3: So and I get the point. I just think that

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Speaker 3: if you want to take a long shot, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think Miami might be on the fringe of that convery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that connection really hasn't been made. You know, they

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Speaker 1: could surprise I guess, but that can actually know I

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Speaker 1: said a long shot. Yeah, absolutely, all right, two one, nine, three, nine,

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Speaker 1: four five one through. It's good at Daniel and Edgewater.

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Speaker 1: He's up next, Hi, Daniel g Man.

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Speaker 8: Our defense is backed.

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Speaker 7: I am so pumped up.

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Speaker 9: We finally have a linebacker with.

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Speaker 8: Speed and agility. You can put him in the middle,

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Speaker 8: you can put him on the.

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Speaker 3: End, you can spy him.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Sean, aren't you in love? I'm in low. I

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Speaker 4: know you. Look.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great. Look. And every time you're in

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Speaker 2: met Life Stadium you see those banners hanging up. Every

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Speaker 2: single one of the championship teams had a guy like

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Speaker 2: Abduel Carter at least one.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's crazy, you know.

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Speaker 9: And me and Sean go back to Rutgers.

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Speaker 5: So I love, Are you wrong? Are you raw?

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Speaker 7: Are you baby?

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Speaker 5: DJs and bell Mare.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Rutgers, on the other hand, has not had a lot

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Speaker 1: of players.

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Speaker 2: Djshunka bunka. Where are we going to Seaville?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is doctor Dan for better anyway.

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Speaker 5: I am so pumped up.

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Speaker 4: Listen, Paul John, you guys are the best.

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Speaker 9: I listened, Thank you religiously. Even when I'm seeing patients,

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Speaker 9: I kind of sneak you guys in sometimes and appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Make my day.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate it, man.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate Daniel. Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Dan the man.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna make jokes about if he plays his

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Speaker 1: patients from Paul Datino to like either get him excited

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Speaker 1: or to calm him down. I'm not sure what they do, but.

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Speaker 3: They would probably play clips of me to get people

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Speaker 3: out of a coma. Actually it's better than the smelling salt.

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Speaker 2: Like the Undertaker.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about that big adrenaline shot, all right, just

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Speaker 1: bring in, Just just put up BVK and start playing.

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Speaker 1: Paul two A high three and nyed four five to

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Speaker 1: one three. Back to the phone. Let's go to Manny

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Speaker 1: in California. Manny, you're on Giant's draft reaction shows that

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Speaker 1: a buy C Restaurant.

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Speaker 4: John. You've done such a great job educating everybody and

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Speaker 4: getting us ready for the draft.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Paul. Will remember about a month ago I was I

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Speaker 4: went on a rant and said I was having a

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Speaker 4: nightmare that we were going to end up with Aaron

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Speaker 4: Rodgers and Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: I told you not to worry, didn't I? I told

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Speaker 3: you you were worried too. I mean that was a

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Speaker 3: per of concern.

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Speaker 4: That was my nightmare.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So now now I have my new nightmare because of

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Speaker 4: the of Cleveland trade. They've now got two second round

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Speaker 4: picks and they can move up and get the quarterback

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Speaker 4: that perhaps of Joe Shane and Brian dable want at

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Speaker 4: almost any place, and I don't want us to be

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Speaker 4: a panic that we give up this extra draft capital

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Speaker 4: that we have to do it. I hope we can

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Speaker 4: be lucky enough to get past whatever Cleveland does and

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Speaker 4: the Steelers and hopefully only have to, you know, maybe

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Speaker 4: use the second the later third round pick or a

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Speaker 4: fourth round pick to move up just a couple of spots,

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Speaker 4: or if they're gutsy enough to sit tight.

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Speaker 1: Now many many I think you bring up a really

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Speaker 1: good point and appreciate the call. The Browns now do

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Speaker 1: have a lot of ammunition if they really want a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of picks. I need to look

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Speaker 1: at their total pick number. I don't have it in

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Speaker 1: front of me here, but they have a ton of picks.

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Speaker 1: I know they've reduced a number by a couple with

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Speaker 1: that odd trade they made with the Texans earlier today

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Speaker 1: where they've traded a couple of sixes for a five

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Speaker 1: and a seven.

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Speaker 2: But you know this is what they had.

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Speaker 1: They have, so now they have two two's, two threes,

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Speaker 1: a five, a six, and I think two seven.

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Speaker 2: So that second round pick is the first pick of

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Speaker 2: the second.

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Speaker 1: Round, correct, So I believe I believe they have eleven

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Speaker 1: or twelve picks. We don't have an updated list here

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Speaker 1: with with after the two trades they made, but they

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Speaker 1: have a lot of ammunition and if there's a guy

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Speaker 1: that they want, they will have the pick capital necessary

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Speaker 1: to move up and get that guy. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying the Giants aren't gonna be able to do that,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to be aggressive in their posture.

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Speaker 1: If the Browns are in fact in that conversation, maybe

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Speaker 1: the Browns are okay just sitting there and picking. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a possibility too. If they like a core,

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Speaker 1: maybe they like two quarterbacks and they're happy to have

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Speaker 1: one of them fall to them. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: their thought processes here. Maybe they don't need a quarterback

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Speaker 1: this year. Maybe they're going into a long term rebuild.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what their thought process is, but that

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Speaker 1: does make the competition and move up a little bit tougher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. And John, we discussed

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Speaker 3: during the course of the Big Blue Kickoff Live show

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Speaker 3: during the day twelve thirty pm, one hour every weekday.

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Speaker 3: By the way, right here on giants dot Com, we

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Speaker 3: have talked about the fact that there are probably three

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Speaker 3: or four teams who after the first round may want

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Speaker 3: to be interested to move back back into the bottom

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Speaker 3: of the for and they're one of them. And now

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Speaker 3: they got, like you said, the capitol to.

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Speaker 1: Do it and the teams to keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: that might trade back. Daniel Jeremiah had the Seahawks and

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Speaker 1: his final mock trading back the Broncos, who are looking

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Speaker 1: for a running back. This is a deep running back class.

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Speaker 1: They could always talk about moving back, though Sean Payne's

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Speaker 1: been always been more of a move up guy than

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Speaker 1: a move back guy when he was with the Saints.

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Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings have very few picks at twenty four.

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Speaker 1: They can move back. By the way, I know everyone

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Speaker 1: expect the Steelers might pick a quarterback. They don't have

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Speaker 1: a second round pick from the DK Metcalf trade, so

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Speaker 1: they could always want to trade back too if they're

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Speaker 1: not looking for a quarterback in that spot. The Rams

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Speaker 1: are always a team that likes to move and collect

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Speaker 1: extra picks, and then the Washington Commanders are a team

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Speaker 1: that's short a third round pick because of the Deebo

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Speaker 1: Samuel trade, So all those teams could use extra selections

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Speaker 1: between picks eighteen and thirty two. So those are the

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Speaker 1: slots I would keep an eye as potential trade partners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, going back to the Cleveland thing, they do

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Speaker 2: have a lot of AMO. So they have the thirty

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Speaker 2: third pick, which is the first pick of the second round,

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Speaker 2: and then with that trade they also got the thirty

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Speaker 2: six pick, so they've got two picks well, you know,

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Speaker 2: within four picks of the draft. So look, they could

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Speaker 2: sit there and after the first round say, look we

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Speaker 2: got a shot at getting another stud quarterback in the

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Speaker 2: second round and getting another player too, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, who knows where they have chadur out there.

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Speaker 2: But even if it's like Tyler Schuk or someone one

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Speaker 2: of these.

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Speaker 1: Other guys who knows of their second quarterback.

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Speaker 2: They can end up just sitting standing pat and not

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Speaker 2: using any of that currency to move back up. But

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Speaker 2: uh yeah, the Pittsburgh thing is a little bit interesting.

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Speaker 1: I need to get to the calls here because we

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Speaker 1: got to wrap up in a minute. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: the phones at two oh one nine three nine four

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Speaker 1: five one three. Let's go to Steven and Boulder. He's

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Speaker 1: up first, Steven, what's going on, man?

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Speaker 9: How are you guys, we're gonna do a great job.

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Speaker 9: And I have a quick question. I know you're on time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're okay, So okay.

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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, Sean, I thank you for your

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Speaker 9: Super Bowls and a lot of enjoyment. When I lived

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Speaker 9: in Syracuse, Newark, I always enjoyed watching the Giants, and

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Speaker 9: now I'm the giant guy in Boulder. And here's my question.

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Speaker 9: Calvim Cord was essentially thrown out of a high Io state

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Speaker 9: despite the fact he didn't look bad and went to

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Speaker 9: Syracuse with a lot less talent and really put that

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Speaker 9: team on his shoulders and did tremendously. My question is,

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Speaker 9: given the fact that none of these other quarterbacks are

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Speaker 9: really sure things, and you're taking a chance anyway, what

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Speaker 9: about either the late third round pick, the later third

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Speaker 9: round picks, or the fourth for McCord.

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Speaker 3: I know'll Paul, you're a fan president of the Kal

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Speaker 3: McCord fan club. I think he is the sleeper quarterback

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Speaker 3: in this raft. I think ninety nine or one O

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Speaker 3: five would be really good value there for him. And

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Speaker 3: I'll be frank with you, he turned out better than

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Speaker 3: Will Howard, but that's based on what happened this year

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Speaker 3: when he was at Ohio State, there were some things

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Speaker 3: about him that weren't as good. He kind of busted up,

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Speaker 3: busted out of that and polished it up with Syracuse.

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Speaker 3: But I'm with you. I think he'd be a great

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Speaker 3: sleeper quarterback later on in the draft.

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Speaker 1: All right, Anthony and Florida will wrap us up. Anthony,

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Speaker 1: what's up.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, Cup.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you remember I called like three

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Speaker 8: months ago about mil Roe when you guys were doing

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Speaker 8: dude talking about the draft. But so now like it's

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Speaker 8: very realistic. So now I'm back on this that I

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Speaker 8: think it's possible that it could happen tonight, maybe even

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Speaker 8: if they trade up. But my main thing is, like

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Speaker 8: I wanted to try to talk to Paulie because I

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Speaker 8: don't know. There was a Pat Kirwin has a show

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Speaker 8: and he like brought up mil Roe and everything, and

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Speaker 8: he was talking about like how how he's a totally

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Speaker 8: different quarterback than the Richardson guy and how much better

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Speaker 8: he is, and I just want to see if Paulie

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Speaker 8: listened to that conversation.

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Speaker 3: I did not hear that particular episode. I love Pat

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Speaker 3: Kerwin on serious NFL radio, but I did not hear

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Speaker 3: that particular conversation. I think anybody who talked to us

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Speaker 3: at the combine John and I were both out there

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Speaker 3: for a week, pretty much told us that that's a

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Speaker 3: guy who you can maybe get him on the field

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Speaker 3: initially is a part time gadget quarterback and do some

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Speaker 3: things with him, but that he's going to need some

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Speaker 3: long term development, which, of course, if you're the Giants,

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Speaker 3: that should not be an impediment because you've got guys

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Speaker 3: already who can play this year. So that's about the

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Speaker 3: only thing I'll say there. But he's certainly more of

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Speaker 3: a legs quarterback than he is a pocket guy.

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Speaker 1: All r each you guys got about twenty seconds for

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Speaker 1: final thoughts, Shun.

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Speaker 2: I think it's for the Giants right now to get

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Speaker 2: a guy like Abdul Carter and not have to move

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Speaker 2: up to get him, not have to give anything up.

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Speaker 2: I think this was a slam dunk with that third pick.

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Speaker 3: Overall, Paul, they were assertive, they saw a guy, they

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Speaker 3: felt strongly about him. They didn't play games, they didn't

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Speaker 3: mess around. They just took the best guy on the board.

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Speaker 3: How do you argue with that?

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Speaker 1: And they got one of the few blue chet prospects

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Speaker 1: in this class. It is hard to argue with that.

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Speaker 1: And now they look ahead to the next pick at

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Speaker 1: thirty four. Will they stick, will they trade up? Will

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Speaker 1: they take a quarterback? Will they pass on a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Where could they trade up? Will stay tuned. All the

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Speaker 1: Giants social media platforms will keep you updated throughout the draft.

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Speaker 1: If they do move back up into the first round

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Speaker 1: to make a selection, we will be back with you

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Speaker 1: at some point. It might be right after the draft,

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Speaker 1: if it's late, if it's a little bit earlier than that,

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Speaker 1: we'll figure it out again. Just stay tuned to our

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Speaker 1: Twitter feeds, the Giants app. Giants YouTube channel will go

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Speaker 1: live again if the Giants do make another pick tonight.

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Speaker 1: At some point, the quarterbacks to keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Morrow, Shador Sanders. I would say Tyler Shooks in

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Speaker 1: that conversation out of court Jackson Dart are the guys

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Speaker 1: that have been mentioned by the draft community as potential

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Speaker 1: options in that next group of quarterbacks. Who knows the

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Speaker 1: Giants have somebody else in that mix, you don't know.

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Speaker 1: You could also look for one of the other Giants

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Speaker 1: needs on the fronts on the defense of the offensive

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Speaker 1: line or weapon on offense too. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: things as possibilities for the Giants here, but they walk

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Speaker 1: away with the third overall pick with one of the

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Speaker 1: defensive stars in this draft, Abdul Carter, edge player out

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Speaker 1: of Penn State. That's all the time we have for

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Speaker 1: the Giants. Jeff Reaction Show presented by Crush John from

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Speaker 1: the Hackensack Meridian Health podcast studio. Keep getting better once again,

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned. If the Giants do trade back into around

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Speaker 1: the world. Will be with you again at some point tonight.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned to all of our platforms for that information.

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Speaker 1: For Sean, I'm John, Thanks for being with us. The

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Speaker 1: Giants select Abduel Carter out of Penn State. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Draft Reactions though Pardue brought to you by Kreshtron.

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Speaker 1: The Giants trade back into the first round and they

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Speaker 1: select Jackson Dart quarterback out of Ole, miss with the

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth pick in round number one in a trade

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Speaker 1: with the Houston Texans. Hello, everybody, I am John Schmelk,

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Speaker 1: joined again by Paul Latino and Super Bowl champion Sean

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Speaker 1: O'Hara will take your calls at two h one nine, three, nine,

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Speaker 1: four five one three if you want to get on

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Speaker 1: the phones and react to the Giants selection of Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: Of course at third overall, they selected Abdul Carter a

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Speaker 1: bit earlier in the draft. Now the details of the

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Speaker 1: trade first. In order to move and get this selection,

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Speaker 1: the Giants traded their second round pick, which is picked

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Speaker 1: thirty four overall, their second third round pick. That was

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Speaker 1: the compensatory pick that they got for losing the combination

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Speaker 1: of Zavira McKinney and Saquon Barkley in last offseason, which

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Speaker 1: every those guys was not canceled out. That was pick

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Speaker 1: ninety nine, and they all still had to send a

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Speaker 1: third round pick in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: next year's draft, so it was a three for one trade.

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Speaker 1: But they move up with the Houston Texans to twenty

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Speaker 1: five and select Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss. I'll

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Speaker 1: go through some of the numbers, but first sean your reaction.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this was destiny has a Jackson Dart

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Speaker 2: kind of been. This has been in the works. I

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Speaker 2: feel like for so long now, everybody's been talking about

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Speaker 2: there's been whispers, there's obvious connections there with him playing

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Speaker 2: in ole Miss and Eli being and ole Miss. I

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Speaker 2: think when you look at Jackson Dart, he fits Brian

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Speaker 2: Dables offense to a tee. And what he did down

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Speaker 2: in ole Miss. Look, it was a very quarterback friendly, pass, pass,

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Speaker 2: frenzied offense, but it also had a lot of RPOs

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Speaker 2: in it. Charlie Weis junior the offensive coordinator, and Lane

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Speaker 2: Kiff and the coach the head coach there. Look was

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Speaker 2: this offense was obviously built around Jackson Dart, but I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of the things he did that with

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Speaker 2: ole Miss are some of the same things that Brian

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Speaker 2: David wants to do in his offense. So I think

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Speaker 2: that fits like a glove. But Jackson Dark, he's an

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Speaker 2: impressive thrower, and I think he's just got a natural gift.

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Speaker 2: He Look, he doesn't have the rocket arm. He's not

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Speaker 2: throwing missiles left and right. He's got a lot of touch.

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Speaker 2: He's got great ability with the layered throws.

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Speaker 1: I would say inn above average NFL arm.

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Speaker 2: I think he's got a stronghold yeah, Like I'm not

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Speaker 2: like a Josh Allen rocket Yeah cannon for an arm

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Speaker 2: like that. That's not the first thing that you say

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Speaker 2: about him. He can make all the deep throws. Look,

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Speaker 2: he led the FBS and throws over twenty twenty yards so.

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Speaker 1: And ten yards seventy four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I mean, he took a lot of

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Speaker 2: shots down the field. But he's got he's got a

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Speaker 2: knack for throwing a very catchable ball. Like I played

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Speaker 2: with a guy in college at Rutgers, Mike McMahon. He

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Speaker 2: threw heaters all day long. He actually split the fingers

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Speaker 2: on a wide receiver because he threw the bastile hording

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Speaker 2: really well and it was almost like the receivers like, dude,

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Speaker 2: it's it's uncatchable because the ball is sore. He throws

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Speaker 2: a very catchable ball, and I think he's he's exactly

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Speaker 2: what the Giants needed. Obviously, they need a quarterback for

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Speaker 2: the future, but he's not a guy that they're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to come in and play right away. He can

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Speaker 2: mature a little bit, he can learn the ropes a

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Speaker 2: little bit. He's got to learn about going through some progressions,

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Speaker 2: something that he didn't do a whole lot of them

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Speaker 2: in college. So I think that's something that he's gonna

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Speaker 2: really have to work at. But I think he's a

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Speaker 2: competitor I think he's he's the type of quarterback that

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Speaker 2: every team wants to have because he's one of those

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Speaker 2: guys that kind of galvanizes the locker room and brings

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Speaker 2: everybody together, and you know, he he's somebody that wins

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Speaker 2: the locker room before he has before he even goes out,

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Speaker 2: and wins the football game.

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Speaker 1: And if Sean has to run out at some point

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Speaker 1: during the show, folks, we're trying to get Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: on a zoom call. So if Sean just disappears and runs,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't find this objectionable, at least not so much

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Speaker 1: that he's leaving. He might still find us objectionable. But

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Speaker 1: if that's if he leaves, that's why Paul Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: just over six to two hundred and twenty three pounds, right,

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Speaker 1: big kid, sturdy frame. He's not a runner per se,

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Speaker 1: but he did have fifteen hundred rushing yards over the

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Speaker 1: court over the course of his college career. Last year

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Speaker 1: he ran for four hundred and ninety five yards his

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Speaker 1: forty one starts. He started one year at USC where

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Speaker 1: he played in six games, I think started three of them,

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Speaker 1: and then he started the last few years at all Miss,

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Speaker 1: so he has a lot of experience, and he's a

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Speaker 1: pretty darget athlete too.

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Speaker 3: He's tough, he's physical, he's strong, he is not afraid

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Speaker 3: to take it down and run, and quite honestly, he's

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Speaker 3: what you call a football player. Coaches will say about

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Speaker 3: some quarterbacks. They're football players because they're gritty and they've

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Speaker 3: got that blue collar work ethic, and they're not afraid

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Speaker 3: to take a hit and they're not afraid to take

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Speaker 3: a defensive player on when they run downfield. Some guys

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Speaker 3: are looking for that sideline and they want to take off.

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Speaker 3: You guys know that he doesn't do that. He's going

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Speaker 3: to try to make a play. Here's what I love

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00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: about him the most, though, John. If you look at

872
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: his career right in his four years of college football experience,

873
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: each and every season, his completion percentage went up every year.

874
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: His yards per attempt passing went up every.

875
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: Year, and he led by the way last year the

876
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: FBS and yards per attempt.

877
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: And his yards per catch reception or completion went up

878
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: every single year, So not just attempts, but completions as well,

879
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 3: and lifetime in the NCAA touchdown interception ratio of eighty

880
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: one to twenty seven, which is three to one, and

881
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: every coach will drool over a three to one ratio right.

882
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: There, sixty nine percent completions last year. I'm going to

883
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: give you two quotes about the guy very quickly that

884
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: I got from DAMEE Brugler's Beast. The fact I was

885
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: with Dane when he asked these questions of this guy

886
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: at the NFL combine. I was there when he asked

887
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: the question. So two defenders on the team, JJ Pegeese,

888
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: who's a defensive tackle. The quote from him about Dart

889
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: He's the most competitive guy I've ever seen from a

890
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: defensive player. And then prince lye Uman Mialen, who's going

891
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: to be a Day two pick likely Pigeeze a Day

892
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: three pick. Backs. Of my previous schoals kept to themselves

893
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: or only talked to the offensive guys, but Jackson connected

894
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: with everyone on the team. So I think those two

895
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: quotes from guys that play in the trenches on the

896
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: defensive line are important.

897
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: Sean, Yeah, I think that speaks volumes about what kind

898
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: of guy he is. And you know, I think one

899
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: of the great things about Eli when he came in

900
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: number one pick overall in the draft. You know, there

901
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: was a lot of speculation about what kind of kid

902
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: are we getting with Eli? He refused to play for

903
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: the Chargers. Is this kid like a spoiled brat? What

904
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: are we getting? Eli immediately came in and he was

905
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: not above anybody. He wanted to be just one of

906
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: the guys. He wanted to hang out with everybody, and

907
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: he did that. He spent time with everybody, and I

908
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: think that's what endeared all the players to Eli. I

909
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: get the same sense with Jackson, and I know he's

910
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: got a relationship with Eli. I know he knows the

911
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: Manning family. I think he understands the role as a quarterback. Look,

912
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 2: you're the face of the franchise and you're the face

913
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: of the team, but you can't win without everybody in

914
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: the locker room being behind you and being next to you.

915
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 2: So I think he understands that. And to your point, Paul,

916
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: like he has started everywhere he's been. He started as

917
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: a freshman in high school, he started on varsity, and

918
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: he has been that kind of leader throughout his entire career.

919
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: So he knows how to how to get guys together,

920
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: he knows how to motivate guys. He knows how to

921
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: bring guys in and I love that competitive spirit in him.

922
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: And look, you couldn't go to any football team and

923
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: you want to know what the quarterback is like, go

924
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 2: ask the dbs because quarterbacks and defensive backs are always

925
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: drawing on each other and seven on seven, because they'll

926
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: always tell you if you had a if they got

927
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: the best of you that today, hey man, we took

928
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: your money today like they're dawn at you. And then

929
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: if you throw a couple of touchdown paths on him,

930
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: you're giving it right back to him, So I can.

931
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: I know Eli had some banter with with some of

932
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: the guys, and you know that was always something in

933
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: training camp and OTAs that. You know, Bruce arians used

934
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: to put a dollar bill up in the offensive media

935
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: room and if the defensive guys took god us that day,

936
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: they would come in and take the dollar and put

937
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: it in their defense to me room and then it

938
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: was kind of like a back and forth. But there's

939
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: that competition that you get, and I think that tells

940
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: a lot about a quarterback if he's got that kind

941
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: of relationship with the defensive guys.

942
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: We're in the Hackenzach Mariney Hill podcast studio, keep getting

943
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: better and now we welcome back in the Voice of

944
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: the Giants, Bob Papa Bob Acourse hosted a radio show

945
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: with former Giants assistant coach Charlie Weiss for a long time.

946
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: His son is the offensive coordinator Ole Miss. So, Bob,

947
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: I know you've talked to Charlie a lot about Jackson

948
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: Dart and what he brings to the table. So what

949
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: have you learned about him in your interaction to Charlie

950
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: talking about the player.

951
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 5: Well, I think one of the things that Jackson Dart

952
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 5: won a lot of these teams over is what Sean

953
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: was talking about. I mean, I know for a fact,

954
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Speaker 5: through Charlie Weiss and via his son, that Jackson Dart

955
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: is the guy that you want as your face of

956
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: your franchise because he embraces it and he also is

957
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 5: someone that brings everybody together. Hey, let's face it with

958
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 5: this nil and the transfer portal, Jackson Dart was out

959
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 5: there for Old Miss recruiting players from other schools and

960
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 5: people wanted to come play at Old Miss, which is

961
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 5: why they had all these transfers. He was getting on

962
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 5: the blower with people. The point that you made about

963
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 5: the defensive players. They love Jackson Dark. Jackson Dart is

964
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: a bring everybody together type leader. He's going to handle

965
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 5: being in the building and not have this attitude about him.

966
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 5: He's a hard worker. He's gotten better and better over

967
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 5: the course of time. And I know there's a lot

968
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 5: of people out there that say, hey, you know, the

969
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 5: Giants really reached here Jackson Dark going into the first round. Look,

970
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 5: it's not a coincidence that the minute the Giants traded

971
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: to twenty five, the Rams traded out of twenty the

972
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 5: Rams were going to take Jackson Dart as the heir

973
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 5: apparent to Matthew Stafford to be his understudy. McVeigh loved

974
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 5: everything that Jackson Dart brought to the table, So that

975
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 5: should be enough for Giant fans out there who are

976
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 5: sitting there saying why did they give up this and why.

977
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: That's how highly regarded he was by people that understand

978
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 5: the game, understand what leadership is, Understand what being the

979
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 5: quarterback is, because it's more than just playing a position.

980
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 5: It's unlike any other position. Sean knows this, he verbalized

981
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 5: it before, and I think he's going to be a

982
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 5: really good fit. And you know, to have Eli Manning

983
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 5: in the building, and I know Eli does not get

984
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 5: involved in the football stuff, but to have another old

985
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 5: miss guy there to just kind of be a steadying hand,

986
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 5: I think is going to be great. And then we'll

987
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 5: see how this quarterback room winds up shaping out as

988
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 5: far as how they go into the season. But right

989
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 5: now they got four on our roster, Bob, I think.

990
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: One of the really important things to remember here is

991
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: that so many first round quarterbacks, especially when they're drafted higher,

992
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: they're expected to play right away. They get thrown into

993
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: the deep end of the pool. The benefit that Dart's

994
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: going to have is not only does he have great intangibles,

995
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 3: great leadership skills and a terrific demeanor to melt into

996
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: a locker room, but he doesn't have to play a

997
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 3: snap this year. If everything goes right, he's a red shirt.

998
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: That should be a great advantage to him when he

999
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: finally gets the opportunity to take over this offense.

1000
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 5: Well, Paul, that is true in principle, okay, but Sean

1001
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 5: lived it. He knows what it looks like. I mean,

1002
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 5: it depends on how the season's going. If the Giants

1003
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 5: are a sub five hundred team, more than halfway through,

1004
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 5: and it looks like they're prospects of making the playoffs

1005
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 5: aren't looking good. You know what the cry is going

1006
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 5: to be when just like when the Giants were five

1007
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 5: and Eli's rookie season, but they had suffered. I think

1008
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: Straighthan got hurt. They had a whole bunch of injuries

1009
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 5: on the defensive side of the ball, and the feeling was, well,

1010
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 5: our chances of really doing anything are pretty limited because

1011
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 5: we got all these defensive guys hurting out for the year.

1012
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 5: Now it's time to get the kid in there. So

1013
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 5: Jackson Dart may get a red shirt. Ear It really

1014
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 5: depends on how the team performs. If the team is

1015
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: in the playoff mix, he'll get that true red shirt.

1016
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Ear Bob, I want to ask you about that offense.

1017
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: Do I know Charlie Weiss talks a lot about the

1018
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: scheme down there and there are a lot of college

1019
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: elements that on offense with you know, they set a

1020
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: lot of things up for the quarterback. They make the

1021
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: decisions easy. But if you listen to the thing we

1022
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: did with Phil Simms on the Johnson podcast other day,

1023
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: he said, look a little bit more than that, and

1024
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: I think people saw some West Coast elements get put

1025
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: into that offense towards the end of the year. So

1026
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: give me the inside scoop from Charlie, from his son,

1027
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: how that offense that he operate at Ole Miss will

1028
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: help translate to the National Football League.

1029
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 5: It's a pro style offense. I mean, yes, they incorporate

1030
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 5: other things into it to fit into the college game,

1031
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: but it's they're running a pro style offense. There's a

1032
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 5: lot of elements to the pro game that are in

1033
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: there because Charlie Wise Junior is using a lot of

1034
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 5: the principles that he learned from his father as far

1035
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 5: as the offense, and Lane Kiffin has been in the

1036
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: National Football League, so it's not like it's one of

1037
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: these Chip Kelly you know, exotic wide open, you know,

1038
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 5: all this fast break stuff. There's a lot of elements

1039
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 5: to the pro game and that you know, before you

1040
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 5: interviewed Phil Simms yesterday, before that awesome Sponsors Breakfast happened.

1041
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 5: You know Phil Simms, you know he likes to go

1042
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 5: on these ramps. He can't stop still and he's like,

1043
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 5: I can't believe these people are talking about it's not

1044
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 5: a pro offense. Nick, Yeah, it's a pro offense, and

1045
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 5: he like gave me all the reasons why, and he's like,

1046
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 5: that's one of the few offenses in college football that

1047
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 5: actually does look like a pro offense. So I don't

1048
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 5: think there'll be any issues with that. Davill obviously had

1049
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 5: success mentoring Josh Allen as a young player. He'll know

1050
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 5: what to do. And hey, look, if you're a Giants

1051
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 5: fan right now, you have to be a static. I'm

1052
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 5: a static, you know. And you didn't lose your first

1053
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 5: round draft pick next year. I know you lost a

1054
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 5: third in a second and they do have another third

1055
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 5: round pick, but if you got the guy, I mean,

1056
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 5: how many of those third round picks actually pan out

1057
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 5: on average? I mean even second round picks don't always

1058
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 5: pan out. But if this guy is going to turn

1059
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 5: out to be what you think he can be, heck,

1060
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 5: you'd give it that'll you give that up every day

1061
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 5: of the week.

1062
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. And Bob, I think you're spot

1063
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: on right now. If you're a Giants fan right now,

1064
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: if you're listening, if you stayed up and you stayed

1065
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: with us, we appreciate you. But the fact that we

1066
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: just got Abdul Carter and now Jackson Dark all in

1067
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: the first round, and we didn't have to give up

1068
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: a future first round pick to do any of that.

1069
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a double win right there, and impact

1070
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 2: players for the next four to five years on both

1071
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. And by trading back up in

1072
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: the first round, you know we're talking about do they

1073
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: play him in the first year? Does he red shirt

1074
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: by getting him in the first round. You signed him

1075
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: a five year contract, so if you got him in

1076
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: the second round, it would just be a four year contract,

1077
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: so you can afford to not play him in that

1078
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: first year. So there is value in trading back into

1079
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: the first round and getting him from that standpoint, But

1080
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: I think with the offense of what you're talking about scheme, like,

1081
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: I just want to go back to Brian Dable was

1082
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: with the Patriots for a long time, won a bunch

1083
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: of Super Bowl rings with the Patriots. Then he went

1084
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: to Alabama and was the offensive coordinator, won a national

1085
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: championship there in the college game, and he piled for

1086
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: a lot of that college scheme, that style, the RPO,

1087
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: the quarterback design runs and all that stuff. He pilled

1088
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: for a lot of that brought that with him to Buffalo,

1089
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: used that with Josh Allen, and that's some of the

1090
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: similar stuff that we're talking about that he was that

1091
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart was doing down with Lane Kiffin and with

1092
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: Charlie West Junior in Ole Miss. So, you know, Brian

1093
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: Dabele can he can adapt his offense to all of

1094
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: those things because he's already been doing it. He has

1095
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: already done it, he's already seen it. So I think

1096
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: this is a great fit on both on both sides

1097
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: of it for Jackson, for Dable, And I think you know,

1098
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: to your point, Bob, about Jackson Dart, the type of

1099
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: guy he is, Like he's the type of guy that's

1100
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: gonna gonna step up to the podium, windows or draw

1101
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: and he's gonna handle himself accordingly, which is not easy

1102
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: to do here in New York.

1103
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: He's going to be a pro and I think people

1104
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 5: are gonna recognize that right out of the gate. There's

1105
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 5: not going to be Shenanigans with him. You know, he's

1106
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 5: you know, you know these old ourselves guys like you

1107
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 5: know Weiss and all these guys first in the building,

1108
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 5: last one out, Like he's that guy. So I think

1109
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 5: you're getting what you needed to get at this point

1110
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: in time, and you got Russell Wilson as your starter.

1111
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 5: We'll see what happens as far as the backup quarterback

1112
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 5: situation is concerned moving forward. And then you have DeVito,

1113
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 5: who's still a developmental player who they really like, and

1114
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 5: you know they'll let it all sort itself out. But

1115
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 5: you know, if you take one of these quarterbacks at three,

1116
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 5: he's got to play. When you take them where you

1117
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 5: took him, and you sign Russell Wilson, you can really

1118
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 5: slow the role and they could be successful as a

1119
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 5: team with Russell Wilson a quarterback and what they've done

1120
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 5: to become potentially a dynamic defense. So I think, if

1121
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 5: you're a Giants fan and I've been getting texts all night,

1122
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 5: Charlie Weiss is like over the moon. He wanted to

1123
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 5: see Jackson Dart go to the Giants. He really believed

1124
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 5: that the Giants would be a great fit for Jackson Dart.

1125
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 5: And the text I'm getting, you know from people who

1126
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 5: are not Giants fans. These are people from around the league, like, damn,

1127
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 5: they did well, they did really well and can't wait

1128
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: for it to get started. By the way, can I

1129
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 5: just Fini out, Well, can I go back to my

1130
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 5: first time I came out with you guys. You know,

1131
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 5: I gave the Thibodeau thing about why they should pick

1132
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 5: up the fifth year option in my opinion, and literally

1133
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 5: one minute later saying and his pressors announced that they

1134
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 5: were picking it up. I had no inside intel. But

1135
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: if you just think about it logically, it makes all

1136
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: the sense in the world. Because his number is he

1137
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 5: hasn't been to a Pro Bowl, So his fifth year

1138
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 5: option number is what is it, like fifteen million dollars?

1139
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, about fourteen and a half, you're right, Bob, Yeah,

1140
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: very reasonable.

1141
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 5: I think it's fourteen point seventy five or something. So

1142
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 5: it's like that that's nothing in this especially because we

1143
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 5: know this the salary cap is going to go up

1144
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 5: this ten percent or whatever for the next couple of

1145
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 5: years because of all these games being put on Christmas

1146
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 5: and they're selling games to Amazon and Netflix and all

1147
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 5: all this other stuff, and the growth of the game internationally,

1148
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 5: the CAP's going to keep going up. So a cavon

1149
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 5: Thibodeau at fourteen point seven million on a fifth year

1150
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 5: option is going to be a bargain. And if he

1151
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 5: produces We'll worry about that problem when you get to it.

1152
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 5: As far as whether you're going to give him a

1153
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 5: second contract.

1154
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: Bob, always a pleasure, my friend. Good talking to you,

1155
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: And if you want, we're going live tomorrow after they pick.

1156
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: The Giants have left a sixty five your mother, welcome

1157
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: to calling if you want, Buddy.

1158
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 5: Bring all right, I'll let you. I'll let you know

1159
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 5: if I'm avel I got a golf tournament to work.

1160
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: All right, God, that will be on the nineteenth streen Baby,

1161
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: all right, Bobby Tucky land of my.

1162
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: FRIENDSVP always ahead of the curve.

1163
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: That that's a voice of the Giants, Bob, Papa Jodias Uh.

1164
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: The Giants Draft Reaction Show brought to you by Chris

1165
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: John and the Hackensacking Brity Health Podcast Studio. Keep getting better.

1166
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones. If you had a couple

1167
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: other picks come in, by the way, James Piers Junior

1168
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: to the Falcons, Malachi Starks to the Ravens. To go

1169
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: with Kyle Hamilton, Lions took Tyleek Williams, the big defensive

1170
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: tackle at of Ohio State. So basically all the targets

1171
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: that the Giants still had that thirty fourth pick Sewan,

1172
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: you better go now they require you.

1173
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: I'll be back in a flash.

1174
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: Have fun, ask some good questions of mister dark that yes,

1175
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: please enjoy Josh Connolly to the commanders to go with

1176
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: Laomy Tunso bookend for Jaydon Daniels, Happy joy, and then

1177
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: Maxwell Harriston the quarterback out of Kentucky to the Buffalo Bills.

1178
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the phones at two one

1179
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: nine nine four five one three. Kyle in New Jersey

1180
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: is up. First year Kyle, what's going on?

1181
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 4: Uh?

1182
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 5: Hi?

1183
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 10: I just don't think that the Giants that have drafted

1184
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 10: Jackson Dart, I honestly think Shuldary Sanders.

1185
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: Was the right choice.

1186
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 10: Why well, he had higher completion percentage. He also had

1187
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 10: a three to one TD two interception ratio. He threw

1188
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 10: for almost the same amount of yards as Jackson Dart.

1189
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 10: And honestly, like he started to build a relationship with

1190
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 10: Elik Neighbors, I just think that he would be in

1191
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 10: a better He would have been a better uh quarterback

1192
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 10: for the Gimes.

1193
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: And and and I got you fair opinion. Other people,

1194
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure think the same thing. I will throw a

1195
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: couple of things to to rebut a couple of your points.

1196
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: I think should Or Sanders and Jackson Dart were very

1197
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: close in terms of how a lot of teams viewed them.

1198
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: So I'm sure there are people around the league that

1199
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: also thought like you do, and that's fine. But should

1200
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: Or Sanders through about twenty percent of his passes. I

1201
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: think we're screen passes, which artificially boosted his completion percentage

1202
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: a little bit, and it was still only slightly above

1203
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: what Jackson Dart was at sixty nine percent last year,

1204
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: and Dart had more downfield completions than Sanders did. And

1205
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: Dart also played against much tougher competition in the SEC

1206
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: than Sanders did playing in the Big twelve. So those

1207
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: would be my rebuttals to your point. They'll I understand

1208
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: your opinion, and I'm sure other Giant fans fear that

1209
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: way too. That's fine. The Giants obviously preferred.

1210
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: Dark, a sturdier build, and more mobility as well. Yeah,

1211
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: I think he's a slightly more mobile player.

1212
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think there are I think

1213
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: Dart probably is a little bit of a better arm,

1214
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: but it's comparable. I would say close. Yeah, two one nine, three,

1215
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: nine four five one three. Let's go back to the

1216
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: phones and say what's up to each and Patterson EJ.

1217
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: You're on Giant's draft reaction. How are you.

1218
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 7: How's it going over here?

1219
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 4: Guys?

1220
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: We're great, man, what's going on?

1221
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 5: Well?

1222
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 7: I just if I could take a quick quick shout

1223
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 7: out to uh, thank everybody at the MetLife Stadium. I

1224
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 7: actually just got out of the draft party with you guys.

1225
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 4: Nice.

1226
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 7: I drove all the way from Rhode Island to attending

1227
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 7: with my brother and family out there, so really really excited.

1228
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 7: I just want to give a shout out to all

1229
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 7: the people who helped out in the good time there.

1230
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: It was fun, it was amazing.

1231
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 7: It was amazing. Got to hang out with Brandon London

1232
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 7: up there. I know that Bob Papa hangs out with

1233
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 7: him too, So a lot of fun. Thank you guys.

1234
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 7: Just want to kick shout that.

1235
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: But pull off to the side of the road. If

1236
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: you're going to be talking to us on the phone,

1237
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 3: please don't get yourself in trouble.

1238
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, Paul, there are all these things in cars

1239
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: now you can get the phone call into the cars.

1240
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to hold the fun I know that

1241
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: might be beyond your technical contes.

1242
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: I have one of those and I use it. Thank

1243
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 3: you safe travels. All right, EJ, what do you got for.

1244
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: Us on the pick?

1245
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 7: So I apologize if anybody else said this beforehand, Like

1246
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 7: I said, I know that's okay, you're going to jump

1247
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 7: in here. But yeah, so kind of going off with

1248
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 7: the last two callers, I won't say that statistically I

1249
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 7: would have preferred Shad or Sanders. I'm really happy with

1250
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 7: the Jackson Dart pick. But I think that Shador just

1251
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 7: would have brought a type of just grits, a type

1252
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 7: of attitude like a lot of people obviously we're not

1253
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 7: a fan of and we're seeing that nobody's wanting to

1254
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 7: pick that up, and you can kind of understand why

1255
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 7: they don't want to do that. But I just think

1256
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 7: that with just I feel like we've had a meh

1257
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 7: culture recently in the last few years, that if he

1258
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 7: would have been picked up and he would have came

1259
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 7: in with the like I'm the new guy in the room,

1260
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 7: with just a finesse and with a type of just

1261
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 7: again attitude about him, I just think that it would

1262
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 7: have invigorated everybody else and just been like, yeah, we

1263
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 7: are the guys to be obviously in such a stacked

1264
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 7: NFC East conference that we have or division, excuse me,

1265
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 7: I just feel like that could have been like something

1266
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 7: to just kind of put us over the edge, something

1267
00:56:58,600 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 7: to kind.

1268
00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 5: Of look look forward to.

1269
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 7: Although I am very happy with the Jackson Dart pick.

1270
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call and look based on everything I've

1271
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: heard about Jackson Dart is that he blew it out

1272
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: of the water in all of his interviews. Yes, and

1273
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: this is if you guys listen to our draft content

1274
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: on the Johnsontle podcast. It's something that guests have said

1275
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: to me over the course of the last month. This

1276
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: is not me saying it, and that he has really

1277
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: done a good job in these interviews with his personality.

1278
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: I talked about how his defensive players on this team

1279
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: at all missially respect him as a tough player and

1280
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: a leader. This is a guy that will run, put

1281
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: his shoulder down and try to run over dude.

1282
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: Talk about grit. He's got it. He is a blood

1283
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: and gut Scot like a blue collar quarterback.

1284
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: You're sand This is a tough player too. He took

1285
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: a million his is years hip can back up, but

1286
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: so was Jackson Dart and dark.

1287
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: Dart is the kind of guy who, as you say,

1288
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: he's gonna lay the pain on a defensive player on

1289
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: occasion when he takes off. That's not that's not true.

1290
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: So you're telling me we're not gonna stop having the

1291
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: starting quarterback, please slide when you're scrambling conversations.

1292
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't know about his baseball skills, but we will

1293
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: find out if he.

1294
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: He actually was a high school baseball player.

1295
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: See that's something I did not know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I believe he was. I will double check.

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Speaker 3: Even though he was my favorite quarterback in the draft,

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Speaker 3: I did not know that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, second favorite quarterback in the draft.

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Speaker 3: Right, well, we we also disqualified Ward becauseybody.

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Speaker 1: But he was he was still a quarterback in the draft. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's go back to the phone. Let's go

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Speaker 1: Jamie in New York. Jamie, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 11: How are you guys?

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: Were good man? How are you good?

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00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 5: Things?

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 11: So I was just I was trying to expect them

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00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 11: to go with Milroe. As one of you guys said,

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Speaker 11: Darry is the guy who can who can lay down

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00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 11: hates on the defense. But I think milrowe would have

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Speaker 11: been more of a projects guy for Gable because we

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Speaker 11: know how good he is with with you know, working

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Speaker 11: with quarterbacks, and I just think you know his his

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00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 11: running skills I think are the best in the draft.

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Speaker 11: And I just want to know what you guys think

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Speaker 11: about that, passing up on Milroe as a project guy

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Speaker 11: for Dayble to work with and then just taking Dark instead.

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Speaker 1: You need to take this on a field.

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Speaker 3: Paul Milroe has two advantages over Darn. One is he's

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Speaker 3: got the best quickest, fastest legs of any quarterback in

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Speaker 3: this draft. Okay, that he has.

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Speaker 1: And he probably has a better arm than Dark. That's

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Speaker 1: number two.

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Speaker 3: He's got the better long ball than probably anybody else

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00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 3: in the draft in terms of being able to unleash

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00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: it and throw the darn think sixty five to seventy

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00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: yards every other box. Jackson Dark checks over Milroe. It's

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Speaker 3: really quite that simple. It's kind of a one sided argument.

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Speaker 11: So you don't think Milro would have been a more

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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 11: since we have Wilson and we have Winston and Russell,

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Speaker 11: that he would have been a project got to work

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Speaker 11: with for Dabel for a few years.

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Speaker 3: Well, you must understand something, and it's pretty unanimous when

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00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: you talk to anybody around in the league. That Dart

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Speaker 3: is not a just ad warter quarterback who you would

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Speaker 3: expect him to start Week one.

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Speaker 1: Dart is also a developmental quarterback, but he's further along

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Speaker 1: as a passer than Millie.

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Speaker 3: He is possibly a year away from being ready to

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Speaker 3: play in the pro rather than two rather than two.

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Speaker 3: Because we've had guests on this program who have said

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Speaker 3: Milroll is going to be at least a two year

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Speaker 3: work working project.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what Chris sims on the Johns

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Speaker 1: Little Podcast, and that's how we put it that he

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Speaker 1: saw Dart as kind of a one year guy, and

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Speaker 1: I think he actually put standers in the category two

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Speaker 1: and he put Milroll into a two year project. Guys,

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Speaker 1: guys that you want to, you know, let marinate a

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Speaker 1: little bit and figure things out. Because look, as much

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Speaker 1: as you know Phil Simms loves the old miss stuff

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01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: as a pro offense, there is a lot of program

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Speaker 1: stuff in there. There is where you set up plays

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Speaker 1: with one specific guy to get open and you try

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01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: to get them the football that's in there when you

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Speaker 1: when you watch all Missus offense, So it isn't as

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Speaker 1: much of that full field. He flashes it. He shows

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01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: that point that he can make those full field reels,

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Speaker 1: he just doesn't have to make them consistently every play.

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Speaker 1: And I learned this talking to Kurt Warner last year

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Speaker 1: when I was asking him about Jay and Dana. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, Kurt, I watched Jason Daniels as a million

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01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: slot fades. He's not throwing the ball over the middle.

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Speaker 1: And he said to me on the Johnsondtle podcast, John,

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Speaker 1: don't blame a quarterback for not doing something when you

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01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: don't know if he's asked to do it or not.

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01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: And we don't know what Jackson Dart was asked to do.

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01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: So if he's not being asked to make full fuel reads,

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Speaker 1: and we don't see that all the time, we only

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Speaker 1: see it in spurts, maybe when he's asked to do

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Speaker 1: more on a different offensive the pro level, he's going

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01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: to be able to do it very quickly. But there

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Speaker 1: is going to be and appreciate the call. There is

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Speaker 1: going to be a developmental process with him too, even

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Speaker 1: though it's not maybe as long of a process as

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Speaker 1: Milwer Now as.

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Speaker 3: A footnote and to the caller, and I'm not in

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01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: the business of promoting other people's programs, but the John

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 3: Gruden Quarterback School, which he has with all of the

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: quarterback prospects going into the draft. His show with Jackson

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: Dart may have been the most impressive of all of

1383
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 3: the quarterback shows that were taped over the last couple

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: of months. Go back and watch that, because you know

1385
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: were you're just talking about a second ago, about plays

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: that maybe didn't go right, and you need to find

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: out why. That's what Gruden did and Gruden went deep.

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Speaker 1: I have not watched that yet. I'm gonna watch it

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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 3: He goes deep with Dart about what did you see?

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01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: What are you doing? What do you want to do

1392
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 3: in this?

1393
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 4: This?

1394
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 3: And this happens? And Dart blew Gruden away and you

1395
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 3: will be blown away. If you watch that program, you

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01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: will understand why Jackson Dot is a whole nother level ahead.

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Speaker 1: All right, final call. The show is keenan New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Keen.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 10: John?

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Speaker 12: Thanks for taking my call. I want to give you

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01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 12: a shout out because I listen to your draft podcast

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01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 12: every day.

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 7: Thank you.

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01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 12: Great guests and great conversations and it helps fans like me.

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01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 5: You learn a lot.

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Speaker 12: Two quick questions, One, why do you think there's a

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01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 12: big discrepancy. And how come like kind of phone network

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01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 12: guys they think Jason Dart's more of like a Day

1411
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 12: two or even Day three pick. And why do you

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01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 12: think pro scouts are different? And why the Giants selected

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01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 12: in the first round? And second question didn't quickly? Uh,

1414
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 12: there are like a lot of rumors yesterday that the

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 12: Giants are going to trade up for Jackson Dart. Do

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01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 12: you think something got leaked or how the Giants are

1417
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 12: usually you know, keep cards close to the vest and everything.

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01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 12: So just one of your thoughts and how this leaked

1419
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 12: out and how come the news got out that were

1420
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 12: really interested interested in dark.

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01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, key, good question. I don't have a good answer

1422
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: for you. I don't know where that came from. It

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01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: could have came from the agent side too, if you

1424
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: know those conversations happened. Who knows. There's really no idea.

1425
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: I do know Brian Dable and Joshan aren't gole and

1426
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: telling people what they're gonna do, So I'm not sure

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: where that came from. But you know, maybe they were

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: having early conversations about moving up for a player and

1429
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: they told the team what player it was, and that

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01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: teams that there's a million different things ways these things

1431
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: can get out there at times, so there's really no

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01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: way to know. What was his first question.

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Speaker 3: Well, he was saying that some of the TV people

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01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 3: that's thought that Dart was a second or third day pick.

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone say third day. I never heard that.

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Speaker 1: Well I think I don't think. I think I think

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01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: day two, PA, third day night. And look, here's the

1438
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: bottom line, guys, we don't know where the Giants had

1439
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: dealt are on their board. But we talked about how

1440
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: in this draft class, and Tony Pauline said on a wfancho,

1441
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: there was a team in the league that just had

1442
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: twelve first round grades in this class. So you're picking

1443
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: it pick fifteen or later, you're already drafting guys with

1444
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: second round grades. So maybe the Giants had a first

1445
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: round grade on Maybe the Giants had a second round

1446
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: grade on I don't know the answer to that. They're

1447
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: not going I mean, maybe they did in the press conference.

1448
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: We weren't there, but I doubt they're gonna tell you

1449
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: what grade round grade they had on the player. But

1450
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: there's a possibility the Giants had a second round grade

1451
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: on them. But in order to get him because a

1452
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: bunch of second round graded players are going off the

1453
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 1: board in the second half of the first round. Because

1454
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: of the nature of the draft class itself, you have

1455
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: to move up and get the player. So in the quarterbacks,

1456
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,959
Speaker 1: you always have to elevate the value of his. Teams

1457
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: are gonna go after those players, and you don't want

1458
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: them to get taken out from underneath you. As Bob

1459
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: Papa pointed out, there was a good chance the Rams

1460
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: could be looking for a backup to staff at the

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Speaker 1: end of the first round. So these are all the

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: things you had to consider when you're looking at at

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01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Well, you could also worried about Cleveland possibly trying to

1465
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: straight back into the bottom of the first round and

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Speaker 3: Joe Shane.

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Speaker 1: We're just picking him at thirty three.

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: Sure, yea. Now in the media availability that Joe Shane

1469
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: just had earlier tonight after they made the first pick

1470
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: of Abdul Carter, he flat out told the media we

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 3: had calls about moving up and moving down, and people

1472
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Speaker 3: asked him about a quarterback and what about the second round,

1473
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: and he said, hey, we are close enough to the

1474
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 3: bottom of the first round where you know, maybe we

1475
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 3: could do something there.

1476
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: And they said, I mean, this was obvious. I mean,

1477
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: this shouldn't be a surprise given he was a second

1478
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: quarterback taken obviously, But apparently Joe Shane did say during

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01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: his press conference today that Dart was the second quarterback

1480
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: on their board, which makes sense because why would you

1481
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: pick the third quarterback on your board if only if

1482
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: one of the ones has been taken already. So, I mean,

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: he was their next guy they wanted. They wanted to

1484
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: try to find a quarterback that they could believe in

1485
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: and move forward with. And you do what you can

1486
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: to get that player if you believe in him, and

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Speaker 1: that's what the Giants did.

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Speaker 4: You know.

1489
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 3: I think ultimately the bottom line for the Giants is

1490
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 3: that they're feeling really good about the two guys they're

1491
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: coming away with tonight.

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01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: And now tomorrow is gonna be a little less exciting.

1493
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: There's only gonna be one picket sixty five, so we're

1494
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait a little bit. So we spend

1495
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: all this time the last three weeks talking about what

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01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: the Giants do with thirty four, and well, we've got

1497
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: to talk about they did with the thirty fourth pick,

1498
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: just not who they picked. At thirty four, so but

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01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: we do have a pick tomorrow. The Giants will select

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Speaker 1: once at sixty five and then again at the top

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01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: of the fourth round one pick one oh five, So

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01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: those are the giants next two picks. Will be with

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01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: you tomorrow after the Giants select. Right when the Giants

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01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: select at pick sixty five, that's all we have in

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01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,919
Speaker 1: terms of time for the Giants Draft review show. Brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Crestron from the Hackensack Martian Health podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting Better for Paul Deatino, for Sean O'Hara. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmelck. Thank you so much for being with

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Speaker 1: us today and enjoy your night. Draft season first round

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Speaker 1: reaction with Tony and I will post up late tonight

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Speaker 1: or early tomorrow morning, probably late tonight if you want

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Speaker 1: to check that out. We had our Abdul Quarter review show.

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: You could check that out as well, So make sure

1514
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: you tuned into all that content we have come in

1515
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: your way, and I know our crack production staff is

1516
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: coming up with a lot of really cool videos and

1517
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: stuff like that for our social programs for both Carter

1518
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: and Dart, so make sure you guys go check that

1519
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: out as well. On Instagram, TikTok, YouTube reels, Instagram, all

1520
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: those places where you find social media stuff. Paul's to

1521
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: social media expert. I shouldn't let him list all the platforms,

1522
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: not me, but make sure you check all that out.

1523
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: Enjoy your night, Giant fans. Hopefully you have your franchise quarterback.

1524
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: Hopefully you have your franchise pass Rusher. I imagine the guys

1525
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: will be here either tomorrow the next day, and we'll

1526
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: get to meet him in person. That'll be a lot

1527
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: of fun. Thanks for being with us. Get out, otagor Sean.

1528
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: We're done. We don't need you anymore. You abandon us. Bye.

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01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time and tomorrow at the Giants

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01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: draft review show.