1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: Third hour of Clay and Buck on this Friday, kicks 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: off right now. We're going to be talking more about 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: the situation with Israel and its imminent invasion of Gaza 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: to bring the fight to the Hamas terrorists that engage 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: in that mass casualty atrocity days ago. We'll have updates 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: for you throughout the throughout the remaining show on that. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: Also wanted to bring some other news. 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: Stories your way. 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: As we have the There have been a couple of 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: stabbings play around the world so far for this day 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: of Rage, and the day of Rage has been called 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: for by Hamas leadership. Effectively, they just want people to 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: go out and commit brutal acts of violence in the 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: you know, anti Semitic violence, anti Western violence. So far, 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: I haven't seen and we are hoping and praying it 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: continues this way today and well for all time. Haven't 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: seen any major attacks yet in response to this. 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: That's it. 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: There's a lot of concern out there. People are staying 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: home from synagogue. We're closing synagogues here in the States. 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: MYPD on high alert. Many major cities have their police departments, 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: their counter terror units at an elevated alert status because 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: of this, because tensions right now are running high in 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:40,639 Speaker 2: the aftermath of the Hamas terror attack. You know, Clay, 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: one other thing I wanted to point out here as 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 2: we're looking at how secure can we be or how 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: safe are we? You know, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement has 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: now said, for the record, this came out this week, 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: that they've got five point seven million mind migrants are 32 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: here in the US, and it is the Biden Administration's 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: desired to provide medical services, housing, et cetera for all 34 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 2: of them. This will obviously be enormously expensive. New York 35 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: City is bearing the brunt of its migrant surge right 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: now in a way that it's just breaking their budget. 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: But I want to think about this from a border 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: security perspective for a moment. You know, we're being told 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: to be concerned because of the possibility here of what 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't just have to be Hamas As, could be 41 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: groups or individuals tied to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps and 42 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: the Kods Force, which is their external operations arm of 43 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 2: the Iranian regime. It's really military slash intelligence slash terrorism 44 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: that the IRGC excels, and it could be he Hesbola 45 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: has cells. We know Hesbola has seals and activity all 46 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: over the world. When you have a border that is 47 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: so wide open that seven million people have violated your 48 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: sovereignty and come in or whatever the six point three 49 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: I guess is there? Sorry five point seven so six 50 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: million people give or take, because you have to add 51 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: in the god aways. When you have a border that 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: is that wide open, that is understood by all clay 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: to be the worst it has ever been, and then 54 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: you have a moment where you wonder what is our 55 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: security situation, like what what kind of protections and precautions 56 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: are in place for us? 57 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: I think it's a reminder. 58 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: That border security is part of national security. And if 59 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: you do not have a never mind a good handle, 60 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: if you have almost no handle on who's coming into 61 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: your country, no real vetting, no real precautions in place 62 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: to stop infiltration, and look, I ninety nine nine percent 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: of the people coming across the border are not you know, 64 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: not has buler hermostere. I understand that, but you don't 65 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: need very many, as we've seen countless times, for there 66 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: to be a mass casualty terror attack. It's clearly a 67 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: security vulnerability, and it's won the Biden administration, I think 68 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: has no answers for. 69 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: And it's going to happen at some point, and I 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: think Americans, Buckar, are slowly becoming cognizant of that fact, 71 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: because was it Fox News poll that came out. 72 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: This week had fifty eight. 73 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: Percent of people now in favor of a border wall, 74 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 4: which is the highest it's ever been going all the 75 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: way back to twenty fifteen when Trump started the idea 76 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: of building a border wall. The idea eight years later 77 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: is now approaching sixty percent approval nationwide. And this is 78 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: going to happen. It's just a matter of when it happens. 79 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: There will be another terror attack in America, and based 80 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: on having a wide open southern border and who we 81 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: know is already entering that way, there is a very 82 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: strong likelihood that at least some of the members of 83 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 4: that mass terror attack will have illegally at our country 84 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 4: on the southern border. Just a matter of in my opinion, 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 4: it's a matter of when that happens, not if that happens, 86 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 4: buck And when that does occur, there will be a 87 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 4: massive rush to close our southern border, and people will 88 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 4: all rise up and say, how did we ever allow 89 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: this to happen? And you're already seeing that happen. We 90 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: talked about it on Monday. As to me, the number 91 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: one story associated with the terror attack once it happened 92 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: was how does this happen? And it's something that we 93 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 4: spent years, as you well know, unpacking nine to eleven. 94 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: What was the great book. 95 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: That was written Blooming Tower, which one you I. 96 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 4: Think that basically looked into the entire entire process by 97 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: which that terror attack happened, and we spent years figuring 98 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 4: out how it happened. I suspect the same thing will 99 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 4: happen in Israel, and it isn't crazy to predict that 100 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 4: we are opening ourselves up to a massive terror attack 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 4: based on the number of people that were allowing who 102 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: are likely to be dangerous to the average American. 103 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: To that point you made about the the understanding that 104 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: they're going to eventually reach as to how this intelligence 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: failure occurred. I mean, here's House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman. 106 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: This is cut to Michael McCall saying that Egypt actually 107 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: gave some warning to Israel play too. 108 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 5: We heard from the administration. There seems to have been 109 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 5: a failure of intelligence as well, and we're not quite 110 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 5: sure how we missed it. I'm not quite sure how 111 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 5: Israel missed it. We know that Egypt had warned the 112 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 5: Israelis three days prior that an event event like this 113 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 5: could happen. We know that this has been planned, perhaps 114 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 5: as long as a year ago. 115 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 4: Buck, you when you worked in intelligence. I'm curious on 116 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: this because that story that Egypt warned Israel that this 117 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: could happen. And by the way, the book I want 118 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: to I'd also be interested in your your take on 119 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 4: the book The Looming Tower by Lawrence Right. Will circle 120 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 4: back to that in a second. 121 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: Think it's an. 122 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: Incredible Right, that's the book, Yes, The Looming Tower. If 123 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: you're out there and you just kind of want a 124 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: retrospective on how nine to eleven happened because you're looking 125 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: at what happened in Israel, I would really encourage everybody 126 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: to go read that book. I mean, it's an incredible 127 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: detailed examination of the rise of al Qaeda and how 128 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 4: they came to attack us on nine to eleven. But 129 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: when you worked in the CIA, Buck, and you did 130 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: the President's briefing, and you did all these different things. 131 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: When you hear, hey, Egypt warned Israel that an attack 132 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 4: like this might be happening, how often would you guys 133 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 4: get warnings that never materialized? In other words, isn't it 134 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: almost the case that there's constantly intelligence coming in that 135 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 4: a particular attack could occur. When people circle back and 136 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: they say, oh, well they got a warning. I mean, 137 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: you're always getting warnings, right, I mean, and most of 138 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: them do not materialize. I'm betting, But I'm curious if 139 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: that's the case. 140 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: There's we would call threat reporting, and there was a 141 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: duty to Warren principle where you would have to note 142 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: threat reporting, pass it up the chain of command, take it, 143 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: you know, approach it with seriousness. But the it's not 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: even the vast majority almost all threat. 145 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: Threat reporting never materialized. 146 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: And so there's there's a few things. 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: One is you are trying to pick out something very 148 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: specific from a fire hose stream of threat reporting information. 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: You're you're trying to get, you know, one droplet from 150 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: that fire hose, and you've got to get it right. 151 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: And as I said that that very chilling thing from 152 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: the IRA, you have to be lucky always right, the 153 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: Irish Republican Army terrorist group. They said that about Margaret 154 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: Thatcher and about the British monarchy that they were targeting 155 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: at the time, and the British Parliament. The threat reporting 156 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: situ is not only are you inundated with threat reporting 157 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: on a regular basis, especially if you're in a place 158 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: you're talking about something like Aza, right, Uh. But beyond that, Clay, 159 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: you need specificity to be able to take action based 160 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: upon the threat. 161 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: Reporting, right. 162 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: You need you need to be in a place, you 163 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: need to have another This is that remember that famous 164 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: you know bin Laanden determined to strike inside the United States. Yes, 165 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: so now it was supposed to be a big gotcha 166 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: during the Bush administration. Okay, well, how and where and why? 167 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: And when? 168 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 6: You know? 169 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you go, you go down the list of 170 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: those questions. Egypt warning Israel, even if this is accurate 171 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: from Foreign Afairs Chairman Michael McCall three days before the 172 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 2: attack saying you're gonna get hit. Okay, you can elevate 173 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: your posture. But what you really needed to know is 174 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: they're planning in this area to to fly uh, you know, 175 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: sort of low tech aircraft gliders over the fence and 176 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: then attack it with a specific You'd need specificity, because 177 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: you can't just security that is elevated everywhere ends up 178 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: being security that is diluted in its ability to actually 179 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 2: have its proper effect. 180 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: Having said that, and this is what we started talking 181 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 4: about on Monday, the amount of men and material that 182 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: was necessary to mobilize for this attack. And to your point, Buck, 183 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 4: paragliders in theory, you would have to test those paragliders 184 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: somewhere right the idea of what you might have been planning. 185 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 4: I would imagine, just like in the Looming Tower, that 186 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 4: Lawrence Wright book that looked at all the failures and 187 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 4: the rise of al Qaeda and how nine to eleven happened, 188 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 4: someone at some point in the years ahead, and I 189 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: don't think that book was published till like two thousand 190 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 4: and six. In six or seven years from now, someone 191 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 4: is going to write the definitive story of how this. 192 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: Came to happen. 193 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: And I think a huge part of it, Buck, is 194 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: going to be that Isuriel was divine arguing over what 195 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 4: Supreme Court for people who haven't been paying attention to 196 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: the politics of Israel, and I understand if a lot 197 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: of you have not. They've been incredibly divided over this 198 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 4: net and Yahood government and also over what powers their 199 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: Supreme Court was going to have, just like the United States, 200 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: I'm afraid Buck is incredibly divided right now, and we're dividing. 201 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: We're debating things that in the grand scheme of things, 202 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: are not that important, right like the idea that Democrats 203 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 4: could be claiming that men who decide to identify as 204 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 4: women or women and that we have to fight over 205 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 4: stupidity like this is I think opening us up to 206 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: vulnerability for far more significant attacks. 207 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: My opinion, Hamas also had specifically taken a posture to 208 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: make it seem like it did not want to fight, 209 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: and that and that perhaps perhaps. 210 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: They played possime. 211 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: There would be Yeah, there would be discussions of a 212 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: constructive nature in some way at some unspecified time in the. 213 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: Future with the Israeli government. 214 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: So you know, it's a little bit like I mean, 215 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: you saw this in the Second World War, for example, 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: there would be a surrender. This was notable among the 217 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: surrendering Japanese troops where they would they would wave a 218 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: white literally wave a white flag and surrender and then 219 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: they would hit, you know, grenades, they would pull the 220 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: pins on grenades and kill the Americans who are coming 221 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: to take them prisoner. It's kind of you know, what 222 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: what Hamas did here is okay, okay, you know, let's 223 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: let's take a different approach. We don't want to fight. Actually, 224 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna kill as many of you as we possibly can. 225 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: It's really. 226 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: The the level of evil again, the level of depravity. 227 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: It is. 228 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: That they took it to the absolute maximum with this one. 229 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: I mean, they went as far as they possibly could 230 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: in all respects, the the dishonesty and their diplomacy, the 231 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: viciousness and the sadism in the attack itself. And this 232 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: is Look, it's there's a reason they're saying it's like 233 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 2: israel'snine eleven. It's unlike anything that they've seen, certainly in 234 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: fifty years. 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The 262 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: peace of mind alone is worth it. 263 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and buck Sexton Voices of Sanity in an 264 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: Instant World. 265 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 266 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: of you hanging out with us. You're gonna take a 267 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 4: couple of your calls here in a moment. We're going 268 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 4: to be joined by Doug Brunt, historian, novelist, host of 269 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: the author podcast Dedicated. He's got a New York Times bestseller, 270 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 4: The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel, true story of the 271 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: inventor of the Diesel engine, disappeared on the eve of 272 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: World War One. And uh he also is Megan Kelly's husband. 273 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: That should be a fun conversation. On Friday, as we 274 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 4: rolled down here through the final hour of the week, 275 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 4: Mike and Georgia wanted to weigh in. Mike, you served 276 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: in Iraq. What do you think about the leftist that 277 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 4: you see in this country supportingmas welly? 278 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 7: Uh, Bucky and I are probably were probably neighbors in 279 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 7: Iraq for a while. I was with the Ice g 280 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 7: h Okay, yeah, Uh. The one thing stood out to 281 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 7: me over there. And I think a lot of these people, 282 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 7: especially those these kids on in the on the campuses 283 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 7: and the clowns on the mainstream media, if they got 284 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 7: a good whiff of what war smells like, it might 285 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 7: might just might change their tunes. Buck, I'm sure you 286 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 7: remember what war smelled like. It stinks. 287 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: I remember being close enough to it to know it's 288 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: about as terrible a thing as exists out there, and 289 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: that we should certainly keep our soldiers out of harm's 290 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: way unless there's absolutely no other possible, conceivable way to 291 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: defend ourselves and to you know, stay safe and stay free. 292 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: I do think that the concerns right now, I understand 293 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: the concerns right now that people have that we can 294 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: get drawn into this conflict. I think the probability, and 295 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: thank you for calling in, thank you for your service, sir, 296 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: I think the probability of that is low, but it 297 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: is of course not zero. And as we've already discussed, 298 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: there are Americans who are being held hostage, there are 299 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: Americans who have lost their lives already in this Hamas 300 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:42,479 Speaker 2: terror campaign. So we need to watch this closely. And 301 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: this is something that it's it's clay it's a precarious situation. 302 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: It's this that's just the reality. 303 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a lot of you out there that 304 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: are history nerds, like both Buck and myself are and 305 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 4: thinking about the dangers of the historical analogies and where 306 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: this conspiral from, given what's going on in Ukraine and 307 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: now what's going on in Israel and Charles in California, Buck, 308 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 4: I think you are more of an expert by far. 309 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: Than I am in World War One? 310 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: Is the Guns in August that you said was such 311 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 4: a good book about World War One? 312 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: The Guns of August is an excellent book by Tuckman. 313 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: There's also Kagan's one volume history of the First World War, 314 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: which is excellent for people that want something that is 315 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: pretty comprehensive. So, yeah, I find the First World War 316 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: to be a fascinating period of history. 317 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 4: So Charles in California has a question about that historical analogy. 318 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: Charles, thanks for calling in. 319 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you guys. I appreciate your show. I listen 320 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 8: every day. You guys are doing a great job. Rush 321 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 8: will be proud. I haven't really heard anybody else talking 322 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 8: about it, but it does make me kind of nervous 323 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 8: seeing everything that's going on all the different complex and 324 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 8: now you know you have the bricks alignment that's happening, 325 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 8: and I just it just makes me nervous. Man. There 326 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 8: was one event that that off World War One because 327 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 8: when I was learning about it, you know, they called 328 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 8: the World of powder keg at that point because of 329 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 8: all the tensions that were going on between the different 330 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 8: countries and governments in the world. And now we have 331 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 8: such a week government. We don't even have a Congress. 332 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you very much for calling in Clay. 333 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt he raised interesting points and interesting questions there. 334 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: But I want to tell you all about right now 335 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 4: Pure Talk. 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So we wanted to take a 349 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: moment here and and speak to our friend Doug Brunt 350 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: about something that we could all just take, take a breathe, 351 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: or take a moment to relax and think about something interesting, 352 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 2: something out of the immediate news cycle. 353 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: Here for a second. 354 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 2: Doug is a historian, novelist, and author of a host 355 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: of the podcast dedicated His latest book, New York Times 356 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: bestseller is The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel, the true 357 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: story of the inventor of the Diesel engine who disappeared 358 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: on the eve. 359 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 3: Of World War One. 360 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, Doug, appreciate it. 361 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 6: Great to be with you guys, and I'm happy to 362 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 6: tivot us into something else. 363 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 364 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: No, we all, we all could use it, you know, 365 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 2: for we all need a moment here to tell us 366 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: about this. I don't I'll be honest with you, I 367 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: don't know anything about this mysterious case of mister Rudolph Diesel. 368 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: So walk us through some of what's going on here? 369 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: Give us the overview. 370 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 6: I'll give you the setup. So I like he didn't 371 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 6: know there was someone behind diesel. I know the word diesel, 372 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 6: and like most people, I was misspelling it with a 373 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 6: lowercase B all these years. But reviewers are calling this 374 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 6: book the greatest caper of the twentieth century, and it 375 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 6: really is. This incredible piece of hidden history. So on 376 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 6: September twenty nine, nineteen thirteen, Rudolph the Eagle is traveling 377 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 6: from Belgium to Great Britain on an overnight passenger ferry 378 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 6: and in the night he disappears. He's supposed to meet 379 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 6: his companions for breakfast in the morning and he doesn't 380 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 6: show up, so they hold the ship at sea. They 381 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 6: searched the ship. All they find are his hat and 382 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 6: his coat, folded by the rail at the stern of 383 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 6: the ship. Seemed to mark where he went overboard. And 384 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 6: it's hard to put into terms now because he was 385 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 6: a huge celebrity at the time. The history of the 386 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 6: man has really been paved over, as you say, but 387 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 6: it would be like Elon Musk hopping on a flight 388 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 6: to the Nantucket and then disappearing, and how bananas the 389 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 6: news would go. That's how it was. Then it was 390 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 6: the cover of the New York Times, cover of the 391 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 6: papers in London, Western Europe, all through Russia, wondering about 392 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 6: this crazy disappearance of the great inventor. And while they 393 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 6: presume suicide, two murder series also popped into the headlines. 394 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 6: One was that he was murdered by Kaiser Wilhelm the second, 395 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: the Emperor of Germany. The other was that he was 396 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 6: murdered by John Rockefeller, founder of Standard Oil, richest man 397 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 6: in the world. The reason Wilhelm may have done it 398 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 6: in the Germans is we're at the peak of the 399 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 6: Anglo German naval arms race, and by nineteen thirteen, right 400 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 6: before World War One, the diesel engine had emerged as 401 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 6: the only engine that could power a submarine or a 402 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 6: U boat kerosena gasoline engines wouldn't work. It had to 403 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 6: be diesel, So the navies of every major European power 404 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 6: are scrambling for diesel expertise. Rudolph is still the main 405 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 6: guy to deliver it. And the reason he was traveling 406 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 6: across the North Sea to England on that day was 407 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 6: because he was going to be co founder and bo 408 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 6: director of a new Diesel engine manufacturing company whose mandate 409 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 6: it was to build diesels for the Royal Navy submarine programs. 410 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 6: So you can imagine the Kaiser was not having that. 411 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 6: The reason Rockefeller may have wanted to kill him was 412 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 6: that Diesel was advocating that his engine could run on 413 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 6: any fuel. It could run a vegetable oil, nut oil, coole, tar, 414 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 6: or even really cheap petroleum. And he had been in 415 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 6: America in nineteen twelve and said, I can break the 416 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 6: American fuel monopoly. And I don't need a law to 417 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 6: do it. I don't need the Schrumananda Trust Act to 418 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 6: do it. I can do it with the power of 419 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 6: my technology because the detal engine has such a range 420 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 6: of flexibility with regard to fuels. And so he posed 421 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 6: an existential threat to Rockefeller and Standard Oil as well. 422 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 4: Doug, when you examined this mystery, and thanks for coming on, 423 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: do you and I'm not asking you to give away 424 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 4: the book, But by the end of the book and 425 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 4: all your research and everything else that you were doing 426 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 4: in it, did you have in your own mind a 427 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 4: thesis about what you think is the most likely or 428 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: do you think writing a book one hundred years some 429 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: odd later, it's almost impossible to reach any kind of conclusion. 430 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, kind of investigating a mystery like this, 431 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 4: whether your mind kind of changed and shifted as you wrote, 432 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: whether you reach something that you feel is the most 433 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: likely outcome, How the process of writing this book impacted 434 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: your thoughts on what was likely to have occurred. 435 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 6: I had an early theory of the case because there 436 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 6: were such gaping holes in every other theory. If you 437 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 6: look it up an encycling Predia Britannica, it says suicide, 438 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 6: but there are so many obvious holes with that. Now, 439 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 6: as you say, he disappeared almost one hundred and ten 440 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 6: years ago to the day the anniversary just passed, so 441 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 6: it is a circumstantial case. It's actually almost easier in 442 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 6: some way to piece together a circumstantial case now than 443 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 6: it was in the years immediately following it, because I 444 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 6: can go and do what I would call library research 445 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 6: and pull together newspaper headlines from Berlin, London, New York, 446 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 6: Munich and find all these contradicting things showing up in 447 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 6: the news from without having to leave my screen at 448 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 6: my desk. You know, back in nineteen thirty you'd have 449 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 6: to run around to these different cities and go through 450 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 6: cabinets of newspapers. Now all the stuff is scanned and 451 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 6: more scanned every day. But in addition, even contemporary murder 452 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 6: cases are largely solved through circumstantial evidence. It's very rare 453 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 6: that you have someone who says, I saw the knife 454 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 6: go in and he did it to that person. And 455 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 6: by the way, that kind of witness testimony is usually 456 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 6: the least reliable anyway, so most MERCID is actually solved circumstantially. Anyway, 457 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 6: I put this whole case together. I then showed it 458 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 6: to former FBI, former CIA, and former British Intel and 459 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 6: they all said, a thousand percent, this is what happened. 460 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 6: So without giving it away, as you say, the most, 461 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 6: I usually say, it wasn't suicide. 462 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: It wasn't suicide. Interesting that is that is quite a ease. 463 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, the book for Everybody is The Mysterious Case of 464 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: Rudolph Diesel, the true story of the inventor of the 465 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: Diesel engine. Disappeared on the eve of World War One. 466 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: We're actually just talking about World War one a minute ago. 467 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: The author is Doug Brunt. Doug, best of luck to 468 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: you on the book, which I know is already selling. 469 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: Really well, hope some folks will get copies. And do 470 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: you know what your next subject is or have you 471 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: decided you're not going to you're not set on it yet. 472 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 6: Well, I'll here's one thing I love about this period, 473 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 6: this quarter centered for World War One. The cast of 474 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 6: character is amazing. So in this book there's Adolphus Bush, 475 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 6: who licensed the diesel America, the digical engine in America, 476 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 6: have power of his breweries at Vanheuser Bush Winston church 477 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 6: Will plays a huge role, the en Nobel family in Russia. 478 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 6: So I loved it. Quarter century before World War One. 479 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 6: The next book, as it is for many writers, like 480 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 6: one writer's footnote can be another writer's whole book. There's 481 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 6: a footnote in this book that will likely be my 482 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 6: own next book and will stay in this time period. 483 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 4: Doug, We just had a question last question for you actually, 484 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 4: now that you mentioned that, mccaller called in and said, hey, 485 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 4: would you analogize the current situation that we're in today 486 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 4: with what's going on in Europe and what's going on 487 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 4: in Israel, with anything that connects to World War One? 488 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 4: Based on your research? Does it feel historically analogous in 489 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 4: any way to you, in that sort of perilous way 490 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 4: where everything was kind of working towards the advantage historians have. 491 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 4: As we know where the story goes here, I'm asking 492 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 4: you to predict, does that historical analogy or illusion feel 493 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 4: to you in any way apropos or not. 494 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 6: Well, you know, one of the things that was happening 495 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 6: in the end of the eighteen hundred is social Darwinism 496 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 6: with it becoming a dominant theory. So in the way 497 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 6: that biological darmini is Darwinism works, you know, sort of 498 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 6: the survival of the fit of social Darwinism with this 499 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 6: thought that if you're the superior race or society, that 500 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 6: not only is it okay for you to sort of 501 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 6: take over someone else, but it's your moral duty because 502 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 6: that's how the species is supposed to go. So one society, 503 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 6: if you are stronger than others, it's your moral duty 504 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 6: to go take someone else over. And you know, that's 505 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 6: largely been thrown away, although it did lead in some 506 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 6: ways to you know, some of the strife building into 507 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 6: World War One, but that there's almost that same crazy 508 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 6: dynamic at play here where they feel like it's like 509 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 6: a moral due to go to eradicate another society. So 510 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 6: you see that a little bit. I mean, the diesel 511 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 6: engine did play a role in some of that because 512 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 6: it came such a critical implement of war. There would 513 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 6: be no submarine warfare in World War one or two 514 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 6: without diesel. So there are elements of that in the 515 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 6: book that I think are a little bit at play 516 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 6: in the middle least. 517 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Now, good self is. 518 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: The mysterious case of Rudolph Diesel. Doug Brunt, Thanks, thanks 519 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: for being here with us. Appreciate you. 520 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 6: What a pleasure guy. Thank you. 521 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: Look, a lot of people out there right now, Buck 522 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,239 Speaker 4: fifty percent lower testosterone than their fathers. 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Listen to the 543 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: program live. 544 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: Catch up on any part of the show you might. 545 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: Have missed, Find every podcast as they're released and listen. 546 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: Fine the Clayan Buck app in your app store and 547 00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: make it. 548 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 7: Part of your all Right. 549 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 550 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 4: In final segment of the week, fifteen hours up, fifteen 551 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 4: hours down. Buck, You're going to have an event in 552 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 4: South Bend. We appreciate everybody who is listening all over 553 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 4: the place. I was up Tuesday helping Tunnel to Towers 554 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 4: raise money. They made over raised over two million dollars 555 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 4: to help the widows and those who have been left 556 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 4: behind by the death of police officers, first responder, certainly 557 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 4: anyone related to the nine to eleven incident. It's pretty fantastic. 558 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: You want to tell people the work that they are doing, 559 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 4: that Frank Siller is doing. You want to tell people 560 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 4: one more time what you've got going on in South Bend. 561 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: Look, we're doing a great event. 562 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: It's the MNC Noise Event tonight here in South Bend, Indiana. 563 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: I'm trying to the team is telling me where the 564 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: where the Here we go Century Centers, Bendix Theater, the 565 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: MNC Nation Noise Event at the Century Center's Bendix Theater. 566 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: And you know, I may just I may just have 567 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: to take a little stroll over toward toward Notre Dame 568 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: and go just walk around the campus a little bit, 569 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: you know. And I feel like, for me, the soundtrack 570 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: to Rudy will just be playing in the back of 571 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: my mind, even though I've never played a down of 572 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: organized football in my life, but that's for me. 573 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. 574 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: My closest association by far is not watching the football games. 575 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: It's seeing the movie Rudy. Fun fact that actor Sean Aston, 576 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: many years later liked my analysis of national security on CNN. 577 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: He had a podcast and had me as a guest 578 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: on his podcast. 579 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: So Rudy later on, not the real Rudy, but you 580 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 3: know what. 581 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: I mean, had me as a podcast guest to talk 582 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: about national security. 583 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 4: That's what a small world we live in. That's a 584 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 4: great one of the best sports movies of all time. 585 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: I know it's Friday the thirteenth, Probably a lot of 586 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 4: you'll be watching scary movies. It's closer to Halloween everything else, 587 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 4: also Friday the thirteenth. I think there's a strong argument 588 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 4: that Rudy is one of the three or four best 589 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 4: sports movies that has ever been made. Uh and there's 590 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: a big game tomorrow against usc four people in South Bend, 591 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: what would you say is the best sports movie that's 592 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: ever been made. 593 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm putting you on the spot a little bit here. 594 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: I think you could make a case for Rocky the 595 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: original Rocky as the best sports movie of all time. 596 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: I think you could. 597 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: People are gonna say Field of Dreams if they love baseball, 598 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: for sure, I I'd have to I'd have to think 599 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 2: on it a little bit more. There there've been there 600 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: have been good football movies, good baseball movies. 601 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: Hoosiers is way up there, a very good movie. People 602 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: would say, I think remember the Titans. 603 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 4: So you're doing pretty well and you're breaking down the 604 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 4: best the best sports movies, movies. 605 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: I love. Watching a lot of sports is not necessarily. 606 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 4: In my in my Baillywick, what would you, by the way, 607 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 4: before I tell you about the dangers that I am 608 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 4: dealing with and not very significant fashion compared to the 609 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 4: dangers that the world is dealing with. What horror movie 610 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 4: if you had to only watch one on Friday the thirteenth, 611 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 4: because it is Friday the thirteenth, would you. 612 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: Pick Monster Squad? Because it's fun and it's not that scary. 613 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: You can watch it with your kids. 614 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 4: I told we're watching scary movies right now, and I mean, 615 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 4: it's not that scary movies because it's getting closer to Halloween. 616 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 4: And we sat down to watch games last week or 617 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 4: watch movies last week to start this and I think 618 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 4: I don't think I said this on air, but my 619 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 4: boys were like, make sure you tell mister Buck monster 620 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 4: Squad was so good because you gave us that suggestion 621 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 4: last year. I'd never seen it. The boys the young 622 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a young kid movie. I think we're 623 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: gonna break out The Lost Boys soon. I think my 624 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 4: kids have gotten old enough to watch that the nineteen 625 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 4: eighties vampire movie. But Monster Squad if you got young kids, 626 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 4: you got grand grandkids a good one to watch that 627 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 4: is not particularly scary. 628 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: Yes, look, I think the Keanu re Eaves bram Stoker's 629 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: Dracula is pretty good for it. It's actually really well done. 630 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 2: It's a good Dracula. I'm a big proponent of the 631 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: Dracula novel. I think it holds up incredibly well. I 632 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: think that bram Stoker had wrote a masterpiece with it. 633 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: I I there was a movie that just came out 634 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: the uh, the Last Voyage of the Demeter. 635 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: I think it was. 636 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: It looked okay, I don't know. It's just about one 637 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: segment of the Dracula and Dracula legend, which is the 638 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: transport of Dracula's remains on that ship, which does feature 639 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: in you know he goes from Transylvania. 640 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 3: Well, there's no point. 641 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: He goes from that region all the way to London. 642 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: It does appear in the bram Stoker novel. But I 643 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: don't know if you could do a whole moviey Well, 644 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: they did a whole movie of it. I don't know 645 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: if it's any good. 646 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: You ever read a book that got you so scared 647 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: you were afraid to keep reading it? 648 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 3: No, but I don't. 649 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: I'm not a scary movie or scary book guy, so 650 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: I tend to avoid that stuff. 651 00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 652 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 4: So Salet back in the day, which is the Stephen 653 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 4: King Vampire book, if I remember correctly, when I was 654 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 4: like seventh or eighth grade, was so scary that I 655 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 4: was like, I don't know if I can keep reading it. 656 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 4: Fun fact, before Stephen King went crazy and spend all 657 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 4: his time on Twitter when he wrote pet Cemetery, I 658 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 4: believe the story is he scared himself so badly writing 659 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 4: it that he had to take some time off before 660 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 4: he came back to it. That's a sign that I 661 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 4: believe that story is true. All right, So, speaking of scares, 662 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 4: this is not scary relative to what's going on in 663 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 4: the world. But I got this email. I'm down right 664 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 4: now on the Florida Gulf Coast bucks, so I am 665 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 4: for people out there who are familiar with this area. 666 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 4: I'm between Panama City and Destined down on the Florida 667 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 4: Gulf Coast, beautiful beaches love it down here. 668 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: It's crowded though, you don't need to come. 669 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 4: But I got an email there are now marauding bears 670 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 4: on the beach of the Florida Gulf Coast. I think 671 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 4: a lot of you you were probably like me and 672 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 4: find it to be like bears in mountains, Okay, bears 673 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 4: in extreme wilderness, Yes, that makes sense. In fact, I 674 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 4: was reading about grizzly bears spreading all over out in 675 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 4: the west where probably many people are listening to us 676 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 4: right now. Bears on the beach I never have thought about. 677 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 4: There was a video that went viral of a bear 678 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 4: in the ocean water like coming in right by where 679 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 4: we are now. We were told that we have to 680 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 4: start putting our garbage in different locations now because bears 681 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 4: have infiltrated the beach and are now going through all 682 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 4: of the garbage here. Would you have expected that on 683 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 4: a Florida beach to be getting a bear warning? 684 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 2: No, But you know, black bears are very adaptable. They're 685 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 2: all over the place. And have you ever seen one 686 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 2: up close? 687 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: I have. 688 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: I've seen a few of them up close. And at 689 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: first I'm telling you this, your brain goes, is that 690 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: a dog and then you go, oh, that is not 691 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: a dog. You change very quickly. 692 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 4: I have seen them up close buck when I was kid, 693 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 4: and I can't believe. 694 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't think they have these anymore. 695 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 4: We would go to the Gatlin Bird Pigeon Forge area 696 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 4: and they had big concrete like bear enclosures and you 697 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 4: could feed the bears, like just throw like fish to them, 698 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 4: and they were right there in the concrete enclosure. I 699 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 4: think those don't exist anymore. But they would also let 700 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 4: you get very close to the bears. I think that 701 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,959 Speaker 4: probably ended badly at some point. 702 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:26,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 703 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, you don't want to you don't want to 704 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 2: leave out the picnic baskets for them. You know, you 705 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: want to keep the food nice and high and away 706 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 2: from them. Secure your garbage, but bear safety tips on 707 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck. 708 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: You never know what you're gonna get get here. 709 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, amen, I hope I see a lot of you 710 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: in the South Bend area tonight, also with Tudor Dixon 711 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: and my friend Casey Hendrickson. So be seeing you a 712 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: little bit and we'll talk to you on Monday.