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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre,

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire or Thursday, January twenty third, My Jets got

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Speaker 2: a new head football coach, everybody, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: it shortly. I listen, you guys know how I roll

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Speaker 2: as a Jets fan. Also, big news in Jacksonville. Kind

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Speaker 2: of comical actually. And then to wrap up today's pod,

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Speaker 2: Rob G and I will chop up the Jimmy Butler trade,

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Speaker 2: which seems fairly imminent, but he keeps getting himself suspended

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Speaker 2: by the team. Jimmy Butler and the heat seemed to

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Speaker 2: be done. And also can the Lakers and Clutch just

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Speaker 2: have like a peace treaty if you will? These sources

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Speaker 2: say Lebron and Anthony Davis are ticked off, like obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know, like what are we doing? Why are we

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Speaker 2: piling all raw Polinka? We're trying to get him shoved

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Speaker 2: out mid season? Come on, settle down, Clutch. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's get started though. With the big news in the

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Speaker 2: NFL is my Jets higher Aaron Glenn as the new

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Speaker 2: head football coach, comes over as defensive coordinator of the Lions. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Lions season ended prematurely this past Saturday when they give

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Speaker 2: up forty five point store rookie quarterback, not all on Glenn.

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Speaker 2: They're missing some horses defensively. I don't have a ton

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Speaker 2: really good run there. It's not like he's a quote

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Speaker 2: defensive guy. He's framing himself as a coach. He has

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Speaker 2: been with Dan Campbell for a couple of years. He

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Speaker 2: the better coaches in the league in Peyton and one

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Speaker 2: who really knows how to command a locker room. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is what the Jets need,

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Speaker 2: as was the case with Aaron Rodgers before they got him,

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Speaker 2: and I got some buddies who were diehard Rogers friend fans.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's still the case, but they

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Speaker 2: have been historically, and when it was all Rogers might

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Speaker 2: rather have Lamar Jackson. Remember Lamar, and don't laugh. Lamar

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Speaker 2: was feuding with the Ravens. Remember Lamar had his mom

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Speaker 2: just hold out, and it was like drug out. It

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Speaker 2: was pretty ugly. And that's when they finally get Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: I say, listen, I was anti Rodgers. I didn't want him,

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Speaker 2: but now he's here, I'm a Jets fan.

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Speaker 3: I'll root for him.

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Speaker 2: I was more into an exotic outside the box higher

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Speaker 2: on Marcus Freeman. I would have enjoyed a Kelly Dillingham

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Speaker 2: this year. I was into fresh blood. Technically Aaron Aaron

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Speaker 2: Glenn is fresh blood, but I don't. Maybe it's just me.

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Speaker 2: I watched a lot of Lions football guys. I didn't

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Speaker 2: not have great anything. I mean, they had a Wade

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Speaker 2: I guess the last six coaches they've hired, and five

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Speaker 2: a total cluster that was coming on the recommendation of

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Speaker 2: Peyton Manning. But nevertheless, listen, Jet's got a new head coach.

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Speaker 2: I think they have to kind of reshape the roster.

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Speaker 2: We're getting to the stage where Breeze Hall is getting

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville absolute debacle. Okay, So Shad Khan, the owner of

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Speaker 2: Balkey's claim to fame is being in San Francisco and

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's dive into Jimmy Butler reportedly close

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Speaker 2: to going to the Phoenix Suns for a bevy of

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, and Devin Booker is absolutely lethal. I know

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Speaker 2: it's a little duplication on the wing and they don't

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Speaker 2: say that they can make the Western Conference finals. But Rob,

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Speaker 2: little up there in age. Jimmy is let's see, what

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Speaker 2: pair that a lockdown defender with Kevin Durant, with Devin Booker,

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Speaker 2: Rob suddenly looks pedestrian. In Minnesota, Timberwolves, who I thought

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Speaker 3: Wow. I mean, I'm not ready to go that far.

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Speaker 4: And I like Jimmy Butler, but Geez, Louise first and foremost,

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Speaker 4: if they're able to get this deal, and all they

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Speaker 4: god really give up is Beal and the picks, I

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Speaker 4: know the picks are valuable down the road. But for

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Speaker 4: those picks become a problem. But if you're saying Beal

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Speaker 4: run for Phoenix because obviously the Bradley Beal Devin Booker combination,

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Speaker 4: So Jimmy Butler slides is the big wing. He can

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Speaker 4: You know, he's a proven playoff player. So there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of things you like about Jimmy Butler. Where I

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Speaker 4: And I know that we probably might have spend more

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Speaker 4: There was a report that came out on Wednesday, kind

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Speaker 4: Sharani reported that Lebron and ad are growing frustrated with

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Speaker 4: And to your point, and this is something that I've

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: And I don't know about you, but I'm really getting

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Laker fan. I like Lebron James, but do

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Speaker 4: Can we not win with an imperfect roster? Like every

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Speaker 4: does have a perfect team that you're concerned about that

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Speaker 2: Like I don't get it, Okay, So that's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: I am of the belief that you constantly got to

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Speaker 2: a human being, as a father, as a husband, in

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Speaker 2: ship D'Angelo Russell to Siberia AKA Brooklyn. Okay, so you're trying.

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Speaker 2: You made a move. The roster is hamstrung because of

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: They remember in the off season Lebron said he would

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Speaker 2: Gabe Vincent is seemingly healthy, Cam Reddish, we're getting Vanderbilt.

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Speaker 2: I know nobody's ever one hundred percent healthy. But this report,

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Speaker 2: because it's pretty clear where it's coming from, right Clutch

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Speaker 2: We have no room for error, And you're right. You

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Speaker 2: How's this for a hell Mary? How many picks do

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Speaker 2: Do you call the Warriors and say gimme Steph Curry?

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Speaker 2: know that Curry, Lebron and Ad is winning a chip

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Speaker 3: Yes? They did?

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Speaker 4: And the problem is that the guys that you would

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Speaker 4: don't know whoever. You know, the guy who's most talked

429
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Speaker 4: about amongst league circles, not with the Lakers, but as

430
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Speaker 4: the biggest quote unquote difference maker you could get at

431
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Speaker 4: the deadline coming up here is Cam Johnson. And I

432
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Speaker 4: like Cam Johnson. I think he's a really good player,

433
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Speaker 4: is a big guy who can shoot. But the Lakers

434
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Speaker 4: just made a trade with Brooklyn what two three weeks ago,

435
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Speaker 4: So you would think if they were gonna make a

436
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Speaker 4: trade with Brooklyn and they wanted to get Cam Johnson,

437
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Speaker 4: that would have already happened by now, you know what

438
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Speaker 4: I mean. So I don't think any team, unless you

439
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Speaker 4: know this Butler Beal trade comes to fruition, which to

440
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Speaker 4: me almost feels like shuffling the decks chairs on the Titanic.

441
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Speaker 4: For all three of those teams, I don't think any

442
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 4: of those teams really catapults themselves another level making this

443
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 4: move that we talked about. So it's like every team

444
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Speaker 4: is gonna come into the postseason or the spring with

445
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Speaker 4: some issue that they got to resolve. Like if okay,

446
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Speaker 4: see that they're the best team in the league right now,

447
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Speaker 4: them in Cleveland, you know, by a considerable margin. If

448
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Speaker 4: Shaye turns an ankle, then what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they still got a good roster thy Yeah,

450
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Speaker 2: but they could have put a round in the playoffs

451
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Speaker 2: without him.

452
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Speaker 4: But how many creators do they have on that team

453
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Speaker 4: outside of shaeh?

454
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Speaker 3: Like Jaylen Williams is good. I like him, but they

455
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Speaker 3: all they don't.

456
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Speaker 4: They don't.

457
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Speaker 3: Are you gonna feel great about Cason Wallace?

458
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Speaker 1: You know?

459
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Speaker 2: I just thought back to so last year around the deadline,

460
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Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks acquired PJ. Washington and Gafford I believe

461
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Speaker 2: from Washington, and at the time it was those are nobody.

462
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Speaker 2: Those ended up being massive. They had two big centers

463
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Speaker 2: in Gafford and Lively to split time and PJ. Washington

464
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 2: was instrumental. Okay, see fans surely remember him. He killed

465
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Speaker 2: them in the playoffs last year. So it was like, ooh,

466
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Speaker 2: if you're a piece or two away, as Dallas was,

467
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Speaker 2: they made moves and it helped them get to the finals.

468
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Speaker 2: They lost, but you got to the finals. I don't

469
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Speaker 2: know that the Lakers, although they are sixth in the West, yeah,

470
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Speaker 2: sixth in the West, I don't know that they're a PJ.

471
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Speaker 2: Washington Gafford away from making that leap to the finals.

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Speaker 1: Do you.

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Speaker 3: Yes?

474
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Speaker 4: But the problem is the kind of guys that they

475
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Speaker 4: would need I don't think is realistically available for what

476
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Speaker 4: they have to trade, Like they they need a creating guard,

477
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Speaker 4: like an athletic guard who can do things off the drill.

478
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Speaker 4: Because as Trey Yung, Yeah, sure, young, but I know

479
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Speaker 4: you love Austin Reeves. I believe Austin Reeves on a

480
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Speaker 4: good team as a six man, I don't think he

481
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Speaker 4: should be your starting six, yes, because I mean you've

482
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Speaker 4: seen him play and you watch all the lakerings as

483
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 4: much as I do. He gets cooked defensively, like when

484
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Speaker 4: teams decide they're going to attack someone, they go at

485
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 4: him relentlessly, just because he physically cannot move his feet

486
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Speaker 4: as well as some of the guys in the league.

487
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Speaker 2: So tell me who you're starting on the Denver Nuggets,

488
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Speaker 2: Christian Brown or Austin Reeves.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh, Austin Reeves of course.

490
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Speaker 2: In a heartbeat. And the other option for Denver is

491
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Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook, who definitely wasn't a starter on the Lakers,

492
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Speaker 2: and he's had a nice little resurgence with Denver. But

493
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Speaker 2: I think we would agree that's not really going anywhere.

494
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Speaker 2: This one's a little tougher and I don't it's maybe

495
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Speaker 2: a stretch. So the Calves have Garland and Mitchell in

496
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Speaker 2: the back court, which is great, but their big weakness

497
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: everybody knows is small forward. They've toggled between Max Struce,

498
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Speaker 2: Dean Wade, Ocoro Lvert. You don't think you could try

499
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Speaker 2: Austin Reeves, who's six seven. I know you get posted up,

500
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Speaker 2: but you don't think you could try Austin Reeves at

501
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Speaker 2: small forward in Cleveland. It's not gonna happen, but I

502
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Speaker 2: think he would probably start in Cleveland. I'm just maybe

503
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Speaker 2: I'm a higher on Austin Rea.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not that he's not a starting caliber player,

505
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Speaker 4: because I think he absolutely is. The problem though, is,

506
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 4: you know, if he's gonna be your starting point guard,

507
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 4: then whoever your two and three are need to be

508
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 4: incredible defenders that are rangy and that can knock on

509
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 4: open shots. And that's something every team is looking for.

510
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 4: So if the Lakers are trying to get in on

511
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Speaker 4: you know again, hypothetically, Cam Johnson, what's the stop OKC

512
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Speaker 4: in their twenty eight first round picks to just come

513
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Speaker 4: over the top.

514
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Speaker 3: What's the stop?

515
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Speaker 2: Where's okaysee even playing Cam Johnson.

516
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Speaker 4: But I'm just saying if they wanted him, because you know,

517
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: because everybody, everybody wants a three and D wing. So

518
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Speaker 4: if they want him, they can get him. If Houston

519
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: wants them, they can get him, you know. Like and

520
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 4: the other problem is, you come full circle. The Lakers

521
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 4: got a guy making fifty five, a guy making fifty,

522
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Speaker 4: a guy making seventeen, and then it's like, well, how

523
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Speaker 4: do we piece meal these contracts together to get somebody worthwhile?

524
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Speaker 2: So it's all about matchups, and you're the Lakers don't

525
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: match up great with some teams. Although they pushed the

526
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Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets as hard as anybody last year in the

527
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Speaker 2: five game, it was they lost it in five. They

528
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: were they were really good against Denver. Now Anthony Edwards

529
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: was amazing and knocking out the Nuggets, but HM and Minnesota.

530
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Speaker 4: I ever thought Minnesota was that great. But Minnesota matched

531
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Speaker 4: up tremendously with Denver with their two big lineup because

532
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: they could have Cat and go Bear. Obviously they can't

533
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: do that anymore, So we'll see what happens with them.

534
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: But you know, as soon as they ran into uh, Luca.

535
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Speaker 4: Luca was eating them for lunch because that was a

536
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Speaker 4: horrible matchup for them, you know what I mean, that's

537
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Speaker 4: just that's the way it works out.

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Speaker 1: Well.

539
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Speaker 2: If you run into Luca with Jimmy Butler, listen, and

540
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: he's not gonna lock down Luca. But Butler's a smart, heady,

541
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: tough defender. Do you remember who was it on the Celtics.

542
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: Was it Marcus Smart or some other some other guy.

543
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: He was kind of talking trash. No, no, it was

544
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: Grant Williams. You remember that, Grant Williams talking trash and

545
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler just went at him relentlessly knocked him out,

546
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: and it was just like, oh my gosh, Jimmy Butler

547
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: doesn't mess around.

548
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 4: Now.

549
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Speaker 2: I think that was two years ago because Grant Williams

550
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: ended up getting shipped. Yeah, so you know, I just

551
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: think Butler when he wants to turn it on, playoff, Jimmy.

552
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: That's like a thing. And I'm of the belief Lakers

553
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: and everybody wants to hand Okay, see the trip to

554
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: the finals. I still think the West is Yes, OKAC

555
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: has been a better regular season team. They're kind of

556
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. Like to me, right, they're just deep, awesome

557
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: and they're gonna blow people out left and right. But

558
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: come playoffs, I want to see this team operate in

559
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: a half court? Can they score outside of Shay And

560
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: like you said, like they kind of lost the series

561
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: despite home court advantage against the mass.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the conversation about a lot of these teams.

563
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: You know, Oka, see Houston, you know the Clippers. If

564
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 4: Kawhi is not available, that's always got the TVD. But

565
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: you know Indiana and in the Eastern Conference, you know,

566
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Speaker 4: can Atlanta? Can you win in the playoffs when these

567
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 4: games are played in a phone booth? Because certain teams,

568
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: like even last year our New York Nicks, I'm claiming

569
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: them now. You know that when they were down every

570
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 4: player but Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart and like it

571
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 4: was the three Nova guys and stuff. But they played

572
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: a gritty, physical brand of basketball that a lot of

573
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: teams just were not prepared for because the regular season

574
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: and the playoffs two totally different sports. Basically, it's up

575
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: and down, running gun in the regular season. The postseason,

576
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: every possession matters.

577
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: It's physical.

578
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: They let you get away with a hell of a

579
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: lot more, and you know you we'll see how this

580
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: works out, because ultimately, like you said, the matchups are

581
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 4: gonna dictate other other than Boston. I don't think there's

582
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: any team in the league that is not behold into

583
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: a matchup in some regard, even Cleveland. You know, you

584
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: mentioned that they don't have the great wing defenders. So

585
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: if they run into a team with big wings, you

586
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: know you're gonna put Donovan Mitchell on them. No, you're

587
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: gonna put Garland like you you know what I mean,

588
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: Like you're gonna put Evan Mobley on on Jason Tatum

589
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: like good luck.

590
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: So you know it's that's how it's all gonna kind

591
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: of map out. We'll see what.

592
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: Happens, all right, So NBA getting interesting as we inch

593
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: closer to the deadline. That's it for today. We're back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you then,