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Speaker 1: the listeners I was. I had a different gender presentation

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Speaker 1: as a as a teenager than I do. Now what

424
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Speaker 1: kind of what kind of like like spikes? Were they

425
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: like like porcupine spikes or was it a mohawk or

426
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: they like I did. I did everything, of course, right

427
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: when you're a mall goth, there are no rules. You

428
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: can you kind of change up all the time. And

429
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: I part of all goth culture totally. And I guess

430
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: hair was my entry point into mall goth culture because

431
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: the first time I ever went to hot Topic was

432
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: to buy manic panic hairte This is maybe I'm projecting,

433
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: because I mean, long story short, I had was so

434
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: scared of like goth culture, but I did have a

435
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: lot of like bisexual goth friends. I don't know how

436
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: y'all keep finding me. So I was goth for Halloween.

437
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: My culture is not a costume. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

438
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm that was a little appropriative of me. Um, But yeah,

439
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: I feel like it was part of like my gender journey,

440
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: like straightening my hair and like wearing eyeliner for the

441
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: first time. I was like, oh, this is so fun.

442
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: And I only did it one day on Halloween. But

443
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: like I'm laddering up to was there any part of

444
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: like goth culture that they were like inklings of, like

445
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: where you were as like a queer person, maybe only

446
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: in the broadest sense that I felt like I was

447
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: accessing this thing about me that was other because you know,

448
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: like I came out as gay pretty young when I

449
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: was fourteen, so like I guess I had I was

450
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: accessing some type of queerness. But this was like before that.

451
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: And I actually think once I came out as a teenager,

452
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: like when I had a different gender presentation, I felt

453
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: more pressured to conform to like what at that time

454
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: we thought like gay men were. So it was like

455
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: not it was like not goth because I went from

456
00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: like mall goth to maybe like indie alternative to you know,

457
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: I lived in Florida, so Abercrombie and Fitch, Oh my god,

458
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: triggered just the smell of fierce just hit me right

459
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: in the nose. I know that you had a lot

460
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: of restrictions about things that you were allowed to do.

461
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: What was when you were a teenager? Did you ever

462
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: go to the hot topic at the mall? You know? Okay?

463
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean first of all, yes, I later, as I

464
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of you know, started to break my parents rules

465
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: and like come into my own. I really did actually

466
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: love shopping a hot topic. I loved getting band t

467
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: shirts there. I loved like kind of shopping a hot topic.

468
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: But at the beginning, absolutely not, and I have Actually

469
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: I think one of my earlier memories of going to

470
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: Hot Topic was maybe with my sister, but my mom

471
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: was there and we walked by and I was like, Oh,

472
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: there's some cool like band t shirts in that crazy store.

473
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: Do you want to go in? Mom? With like the

474
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: spooky like yeah, they're blasting um my chemical romance or

475
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: whatever my mom's like, and like, anyways, we go in.

476
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: We were in for maybe less than five minutes, and

477
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: my mom walks up to me and she goes, Francisco,

478
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: we have to leave because there is an evil spirit

479
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: inside this store. She was right, I was the evil spirit.

480
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: I wish. I definitely applied to to get a job

481
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: at Hot Topic, was never hired, but that did not

482
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: stop me from endlessly trying to become friends with the cashiers. Well,

483
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: there is an exclusivity um circulating within Hot Topic around

484
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: like how you were really greeted? Right? They kind of

485
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: are mean to you on purpose to create the vibe

486
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: of the store. You know, it's kind of like the

487
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: boom boom room of Malgos, you know what you mean. Yeah,

488
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: they were gate keeping, Yeah they were gate keeping girl bossing.

489
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: Um but I or maybe I'm just projecting, because I

490
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: just felt so polarized by any hint of devil worship,

491
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: like I still had all of this like lat in

492
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: shame and like who I was as a person that

493
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: like anything that looked like darkness was like terrifying and

494
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: and to me it was seductive. Yeah, you were home.

495
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: It was like Olive Garden when you're here your family.

496
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: So if you if you went to did you I

497
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: assume if you were a mall, you went to the

498
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: mall all the time? How how often did you have

499
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: to go? How did you get there? I spent all

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00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: my free time at the mall, basically, like any time

501
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: that I wasn't at rehearsal because I was a theater kid,

502
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: I was at the mall. Um sometimes a whole other

503
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: episode about theater kids, honestly, totally Um. Sometimes I was

504
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: at the mall with friends, like we would go together

505
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: and go shopping, and sometimes I just went alone. Actually,

506
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: the mall that was closest to me. I'm from Boca Raton, Florida,

507
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 1: which is a very like bougie part of Florida. Um,

508
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: and the mall nearest to me was like very bougie

509
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: um and there was no hot topic there. The closest

510
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: hot topic was the mall that was twenty minutes away.

511
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: And before I had a car, I used to call

512
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Speaker 1: a taxi because this was like early two, so obviously

513
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: there was like no uber. This is when I was

514
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: in middle schour team, so like you were calling cars

515
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: and I would call it. I would call a taxi service.

516
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: I would like go to the in the Yellow Pages,

517
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: look up a taxi service, and take a taxi twenty

518
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: minutes to go to hot topic. The first time I

519
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: did it, I went to hot Topic and I was

520
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: immediately felt like I was home. I bought manic Panic

521
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: red hair dye, went home, dyed my hair like that

522
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: red color that all that all alternative girls have. And

523
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: then that weekend we were going to Universal because I

524
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: think it was like just when Islands of Adventure had opened.

525
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: And I just have the most vivid memory of sitting

526
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: in the in the very back of my stepdad's old

527
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: white suburban with my freshly dyed red hair, reading, yes,

528
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: reading Wicked The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch

529
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: of the West, which is the novel that Wicked the

530
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: musical is based on familiar I'm familiar. I feel like

531
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: I I think I started reading because it was I

532
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: remember being like, this is going to be a kid's book,

533
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: but it was I had to go to the adults.

534
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: It's very adults and it's very like political. I really

535
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: would have finished it if I did kind of get like,

536
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: if I didn't have like undiagnosed a d H D,

537
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: I definitely would have finished that book. Yeah. I I

538
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: spent all of my time in malls, and like a

539
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: hot topic was obviously my favorite store, but I did

540
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: not discriminate. There were there were so many stores that

541
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: I went to them all. I was like, obviously a

542
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: huge reader as a kid, so I spent a lot

543
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: of time at um borders. There wasn't a border to

544
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: my mam. There was a Walden Books. R Alden Books

545
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: are specific to malls. I feel never so low our mall.

546
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: It was like, um, the Walden Books was in the

547
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: food court. I'm honestly, to be totally honest, I'm still

548
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: stuck on the fact that you hailed cabs to the mall,

549
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: like they were so terrifying to me. You were like,

550
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: so you're basically like a goth like Eloise at the plaza. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

551
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: I was like in my in my big pants on

552
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: the side of the street, like hailing attacks and you

553
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: would walk up to the mall to you would walk

554
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: up to the concierge and be likes to wait. But

555
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: speaking of the pants, this is maybe one of my

556
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: most traumatic childhood memories. So I had just buckle up

557
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: once I started going to Hot Topic regularly, you know,

558
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: like I had my I like I think Hot Topic

559
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: was really going. There was the first time I ever

560
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: bought close for myself. That's nice. And then maybe that's

561
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: how my experience of the mall changed, because like when

562
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I always used to go to

563
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: the mall with my mom and she would like bias

564
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: clothes that I didn't care about. And then the mall

565
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: was then the place where I had agency and how

566
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I presented, So I had um you know, as we

567
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: discussed a couple of like gross T shirts that I

568
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: used to wear from Hot Topic. But my favorite item

569
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: of clothing was a pair of big pants. They were

570
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: these like big blue Jinko They were blue. They were

571
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: bright blue. Wow that sounds really yeah, no, actually I

572
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: think I would totally wear them out because they were

573
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: like big, like now I know what I'm getting you

574
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: for Christmas. They were like big raver pants and I

575
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: would wear them. If I could have worn them every day,

576
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: I would have worn them every day. You know how

577
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: when you're a kid, you have like one item of

578
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: clothing that you just want to wear all the time.

579
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Of course I had a similar pair of pants. That's

580
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: what they were for me. Like if I was a

581
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: cartoon character, that would have been my look, oh yeah,

582
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: if you were Daria, which you are, Yes, I am, um.

583
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: But my mom hated them. Of course parents hate hated them.

584
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, I think we we We've talked about before

585
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: how I had like a real kind of lack of

586
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: supervision as a child, and so that extended to this

587
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: part of my life with hot topic. This thing used

588
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: to happen with my mom where like we would get

589
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: into cycles where she would kind of like be like

590
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: focused on other things for a while and then would

591
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: like check in on me and be like what's going

592
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: on with her? And then when she did, we'd be like,

593
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I gotta we gotta cut this ship out, cut the cameras,

594
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: dead ass. So that's what happened with the pants, Like

595
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: I was wearing them over and over again for so long,

596
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: and then I think one day she realized we gotta

597
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: get those, gotta go. So one day that I didn't

598
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: wear them, I came up from school to find out

599
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: that she had thrown them away. Rose this, Okay, wait,

600
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: what did you do? I was devastated. I cried, I screamed,

601
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: I threw a it and I ran away. You were

602
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, I was no. I wasn't just kidding

603
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: I was. I was in eighth grade. Um I ran away,

604
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: by which I mean like I strapped on my roller

605
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: blades and rollerbladed down the block down town in my

606
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: big pants. It wasn't in my big pants because my

607
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: mom threw them away. I thought maybe you had multiple pairs,

608
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: only had one, only had one pair. They were really expensive.

609
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: They were like hundreds of dollars. There weren't hundreds of dollars.

610
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: Maybe they were like sixty dollars, which was a lot.

611
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: In two thousand. Some bondage pants were over a hundred dollars. Yeah,

612
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: but these weren't. Okay, Okay, they were maybe mistakes there

613
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: they were maybe like for you cried over a pair

614
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: of bondage stuff, I would They were my whole identity.

615
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: Where were you Where were you shopping at them? All? Um?

616
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: I did frequent American Eagle, which was less affordable for

617
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: me at the time, but I would like save up

618
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: to get like a hideous pair of like fake leather

619
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: flip flops or like some horrible plaid shorts because I

620
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: couldn't be a goth and so I pivoted to PREP

621
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: very fast. I did eventually pivot to PREP very late

622
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: in my high school career. Um, I guess American Eagle

623
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: was kind of like the more affordable Abercrombie. Yeah, okay, yeah,

624
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: I guess it was. Um. The flip flops is very

625
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: triggering because again I lived in Florida. I used to

626
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: wear rainbow flip flops. Like every day. You would bully

627
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: yourself if you if you had met your childhood self.

628
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure yeah, I did bully myself because I hated myself. Okay,

629
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: So what others did you guys do? Uh? Kaby toys?

630
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: Remember Kaby toys? I actually don't. Oh. You know what

631
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: I was into was, um, that store that had all

632
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: of that as cn TV stuff where they had like

633
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: the massage chair. There was special store for Landers, and

634
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: like they were always at the mall. Yeah yeah, yeah,

635
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: or like a Brookstone, Yes, Brookstone where you do the

636
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: massage thing and you'd like sit in the massage you

637
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: tell someone kicked you out. A lot of my mall

638
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: experience was like going to stores where I couldn't buy

639
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: things because I wasn't a girl, right, um, so like

640
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Claire's um limited to Libby Lou? Did you have a

641
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: Libby loo at? Your mom did not have a Libby Lou?

642
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: It was like budget limited to It was actually tween

643
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: limited to um like pack Son, but walking through the

644
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: girl's side a Lizzie McGuire fan. Yeah, okay, I feel

645
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: like Lizzie McGuire. The Lizzie McGuire too. Limited to Pipeline

646
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: was like a big like you know, totally and Delia's

647
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: also Delia, I mean because I couldn't really afford like

648
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: Abercambie or I really wanted American Eagle stuff I would

649
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: ask for Christmas, but I could shop it like Cole's obviously,

650
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: which was my favorite store. Um, and I I also

651
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: would go to Old Navy. Oh bitch, Old Navy. Old

652
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Navy was it? I really think that it had some

653
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of like resurgence and popularity, like when we would

654
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: have like when we were in middle school in high school. Yeah,

655
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: there was an old Navy's once. Yeah, definitely old Navies

656
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: ons UM, I think very tied to the ski vests.

657
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: That was the thing that really popped off. And also

658
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: the Bermuda the pants that UM turned into shorts shorts,

659
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: Well that was a different thing. There was the Bermuda shorts,

660
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: and then there were the pants that zipped so you

661
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: could like unzipped the bottom halt turned them. So many

662
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: pairs of convertible pant shorts. But why was I in

663
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: Florida dressed? I was wearing old Navy ski pants and

664
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: a ski vest dressing like I was in Aspen at

665
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: Gay Ski Week. We can't talk about malls without talking

666
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: about food at malls, Cheese Kick Factory obviously like the

667
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: place to be. They would come over, they would give

668
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: you the binder that is their menu. Like that's where

669
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: I always used to go. UM. When I was in

670
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: high school, we had UM. Like I guess what you

671
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: would call an outdoor mall across the street from the

672
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: high school campus. An outdoor mall, you know, like like

673
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: the like the Grove al Fresco. Not good for goths

674
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: though because of the sun. Yes, they're they're used to be.

675
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: This like very iconic blog called Goths in Hot Weather,

676
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: which is very that. It's really hard to be a

677
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: go when it's I'm literally it's not on Tumblr. It's

678
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: like a blog spot block um block spot. But there

679
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: was a cheese Kick Factory, and so we always used

680
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: to go there, you know, if it someone's birthday, like

681
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: we would go after school. And you know, I think

682
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: the thing that I remember most about Cheesecake Factor as

683
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: a teenager is um, one person orders the Shirley Temple

684
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: and then everyone at the tables like, oh, that sounds good.

685
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: Do they have unlimited bread sticks and cheesecake Factory. Yeah,

686
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: they have the the like brown bread with the oats

687
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: on it. It's so good. I remember that brown bread.

688
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Remember that brown bread. We should go to Cheesecake Factory.

689
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going. We my family specifically is really good.

690
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of it. You'll have to convince

691
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: me of that. My mom wouldn't let us go because

692
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: she's favorite pasta if you know. Okay, speaking of pasta,

693
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: my parents would take us to the corner bakery at

694
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: the mall Maggiano's Bukabpo not unfortunately, but it was we

695
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: still have to go to We're not going She's not

696
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: going to be there. It's not I wouldn't want her

697
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: to be No, I guess not. Yeah, okay, well other stores.

698
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd loved any End's moment, but my mom

699
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't take us there. Our babysitter would. Oh yeah, we

700
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: had a we had a well nice sister and I

701
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: were nightmare children because we would fight constantly, and then

702
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: that fight would kind of like become a ball of

703
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: wrath that would inevitably involve our babysitters. And by the

704
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: time I was in middle school, we had gone through

705
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: like six or seven babysitters. No joke, you had babysitters

706
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: up until high school? Like well maybe like no, no,

707
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: I should say like maybe late middle school. My parents

708
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: definitely didn't trust me as a child. My my mom

709
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: started leaving us alone when I was like eight. Yeah, no,

710
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: the first time. I'm actually this is relevant the conversation.

711
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: The first time my mom left me alone, Um, she

712
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: didn't really mean to leave me alone. But I was

713
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: like seven or eight, maybe six or seven, maybe even younger.

714
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: I was waching James and the Giant Peach Tim Burton, Hello,

715
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: so my mom. I didn't think she was going to

716
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: leave for that long. She just went across the street

717
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: to go get something from the neighbors, and then it

718
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: ended up staying and chatting. Meanwhile, I'm like six or seven.

719
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm at home watching James and the Giant Peach in

720
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: the comfort of my mother's bedroom. That movie is really scary.

721
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: Have you watched it recently? Not? Not in a while.

722
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: We should do an episode on it because it's very

723
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: formative to me as a child. But the rhinoceros in

724
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: it is extremely scary, and the movie ends on a

725
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: very jarring, scary high stakes note. I really liked the

726
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: mean ants I love from James, Spike and Sponge. It's

727
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: us Spiker and Sponge high key. Susan's Randon also amazing performance.

728
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: Voted oh god, look the movie ends, I, you know,

729
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: go to find my mom because I am scared and

730
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: my mom is not in the house. For the first

731
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: time in my life, my mother is not there. I

732
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: wig out because my six year old seven year old

733
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: brain was like this rhino ate my mom period, And

734
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: so what did I do? I called the cops and

735
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: it is the first. It is the first nipples are

736
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: so hard right now, well it's a little it's a

737
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: little cold in this studio. It is the first and

738
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: only time I called the cops, and I don't the

739
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: cops never even came. I even think that I may

740
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: be dialed the wrong number. But whatever I dial did

741
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: connect me to an operator of some kind. I remember

742
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: at least that. And by the time my mom came home,

743
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I was like sobbing and I had called the cops

744
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: and like anyways, So all that is to say is

745
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: that's the first time my mom left me alone. And

746
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: that's why I needed a babysitter until I was in

747
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: like late middle school. And who used to take you

748
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: to the mom? Michelle. She was the one that survived

749
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: the terrors that me and my sister were and she

750
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: stayed around for a few years before she inevitably quit

751
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: because of us as well. Um, I there was an

752
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: age where I stopped having babysitters, and I used to

753
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: love like when my so my parents got divorced and

754
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: then my mom, like there were a couple of years

755
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: where she was dating before she married my my stepdad,

756
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: and I used to love the nights that she would

757
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: go out because like the big thing would be I

758
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: would get to like order food in or like go

759
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: out and get something and then like have a night

760
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: at home. And like the big thing was subway, which

761
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: subway is so disgusting and I haven't eaten it and

762
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: maybe like ten years because it's so gross. Um. But

763
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: I loved the subway chicken teryoaki foot long. I feel

764
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: like my mom used to order that because my mom

765
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: and my sister were obsessed with tarayaki. But I was

766
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: a picky kid. But the smell of subways so gross.

767
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: There was the smell of subways disgusting, and when someone

768
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: has eaten it, it's the kind of smell that lingers.

769
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: There was one one one time I was at a party.

770
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: This was like my like mid twenties, and was dancing

771
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: with this boy who I like, I wanted to take

772
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: home um um. But like while as we were dancing,

773
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: the few these fumes started to waft off of him

774
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: and I said to him, did you eat subway earlier today?

775
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: And he said yes, And you were turned on? And

776
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: I could smell it coming out of his pores And

777
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: there was no way I could have had sex with him,

778
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: so I like, you know, went home with someone else.

779
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say that that got you,

780
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: that got your got you going? Um, did you know that?

781
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: You did? You know that? A Supreme court in Ireland,

782
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: literally this was a Supreme court case that ruled that

783
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: the bread in subways sandwiches cannot legally qualify as bread,

784
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: that it's literally cake because the sugar content is too high.

785
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: I did not know that, but that makes sense. It

786
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: explains a lot, honestly. A normal maybe like weekend for

787
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: me as a you know, a middle schooler, was like

788
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: going to rehearsal for whatever play I was in, going

789
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: to the mall, coming home, and then like reading Harry

790
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Potter or Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan fiction while listening

791
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: to Evanescence for twelve hours until like five am, and

792
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: then sleeping for you know, a couple of hours and

793
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: getting up and doing it all over again. Wait, that

794
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: is a mall goth culture thing. Is not sleeping so

795
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: that when you go to school you look like a corpse.

796
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: I stayed up all night, and like, remember how much

797
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: how tired we were as teenagers. I used to sleep.

798
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: I would sleep on the weekends. I could sleep till

799
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: like two pm easily. Oh my god. Now I like,

800
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: I want to be up at seven as soon as yes,

801
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: exactly the same time. I'm not going to waste the day.

802
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: My mom would have to drag us out of bed.

803
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: We were so bad at getting up as kids. Wait,

804
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: what other music did you listen to? Because I had

805
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot of like gateway music into like hot topic culture. Well,

806
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: I guess overlap. There was of course a soundtrack to

807
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: Being a Mall Goth, which for me was very heavy

808
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: on the evanescence. Okay, that and and that you know

809
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: did not stop into your adulthood. You still are an

810
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: evanescence stand absolutely. While I was actively in mode sicco

811
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: mode um in like middle school, it was a lot

812
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: of evanescence. It was um. There's this band, kiddie that

813
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: I was really into. They were like an all girl

814
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: like Metals scream Oh band. Actually forced the DJ at

815
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: my bar Mitzvah to play them. No. I like walked

816
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: up with the c D is like put this on

817
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: the beginning of the album and he was like no,

818
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, We're you're paying, We're paying you

819
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: to celebrate me becoming a man. Today, so you better

820
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: put this on. No, that's what I'm aware. I'm aware.

821
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Is there like a book smizvah? Is is that like

822
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: a thing? Now? Maybe it should be. Honestly, my I

823
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: guess the evolution of my musical taste post small Goth

824
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: was like very you know, parallel to my stylistic evolution,

825
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: because you know, I went from GoF to like more

826
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: like indie alternative. So I was listening to a lot

827
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: of and this was post um seeing Garden State, My god,

828
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: the Garden State soundtrack, Girl, we could do a whole

829
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: episode sound shock, the shock waves that were felt um,

830
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: you know a lot of like the shins and like.

831
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: But every movie after that wanted to be the Garden

832
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: State sound Absolutely the most I think the most impactful

833
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: soundtracks for for me, like in my teen years were

834
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: Garden State and Marie Antoinette Marie Antoinette soundtrack Slaps. I

835
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: remember we're checking that out from the library. For me,

836
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: it was there was an O C soundtrack that I

837
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: got from the library that I loved because I had

838
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: a Sufion Stephen song. You're such a Sufion Stephen's girl,

839
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: I am. I was. I was all through college like

840
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I can't do it, like speak up, speak up, speak up,

841
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: stop whispering the lyrics. Interesting of you to say, considering

842
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: there were a lot of Sufion references in the Taylor's

843
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: version of red Um that maybe you had missed because

844
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: you're not a Sufion stan Um. But anyways, to you, okay, fine,

845
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: what does it alternative look like? Because I think I

846
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: can kind of picture it in my head, like what

847
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: it visually looks like. I definitely know the music that

848
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: comes with it, Like I was definitely alternative as well,

849
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit after you, like in college that

850
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: was like my vibe. Well I went back around to

851
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: it in college because it was like mall goth to

852
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: alternative to preppy, and then I went to college in

853
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: New York City, so it was like back to alternative

854
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: and then this was like I was in college whence

855
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: the like indie sleeves thing was starting, which was like

856
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: really big on tumbler Um. So you know, like I

857
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: guess the aesthetics of alternative for me was like dirty

858
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: converse um, you know, cut off jeans, jeans, skinny jeans,

859
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: a vest. I was very into vest a vest over

860
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: a T shirt. Yes, or had that or a T

861
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: shirt over a long sleep button loud or a double

862
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: a double shirt like a double T or or um

863
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: a T shirt over a long sleep Yeah, I um,

864
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: I definitely remember driving to like a dinner with a

865
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: bunch of friends in high school, wearing a T shirt

866
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: over a long sleep button down, listening to panic at

867
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: the disco. How how can how could it possibly be

868
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: that there are actually probably a lot of goths that

869
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: became prepped, Like that's so polar opposite to me. But

870
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: then you went batch alternative because you know, you don't

871
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: have any morals or principles. You just you call loyalty

872
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: to your your base of God. Well, no, I do

873
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: think it's you know what I was saying before, Like

874
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: in high school, I was one of the only out

875
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: queer people, and I felt this pressure to conform to

876
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: like the stereotype of what that looked like at the time,

877
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: like a very kind of like will and Grace gay.

878
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: And then by the time I went to college, like

879
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: I was you know, I was eighteen, living in New

880
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: York City, and I like was able to actually be

881
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: like truer to what I like I was interested in.

882
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: You didn't have to perform anything because you were among

883
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: people like you instead of being the only one in

884
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: like your your your school body. Yeah, like I was,

885
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, in high school, I was the freak. And

886
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: then I moved to New York, which is you know,

887
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: like the Kingdom of freaks. I okay, I went to

888
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: a school that was like a thousand kids per grade.

889
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: It was like a pretty big school, and I was

890
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: friends with every single like bisexual goth as I mentioned earlier.

891
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: And it is just hitting me now that the you

892
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: saying like I felt the need to like perform that

893
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: like being the only by kid or being the only

894
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: gay kid or whatever. Like those were all of my friends.

895
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: This is really a full circle moment. And I feel

896
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: like that those folks would like literally induct me into

897
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: like secular culture. Like I was like a totally like innocent,

898
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: like scared of everything challenge, but I was attracted to

899
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: like counter culture or the performance of counterculture, and like

900
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: they would show me things like panic at the disco

901
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: or like my chemical romance or actually one of my

902
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: best friends in high school, um was this girl Jessica Tanuda.

903
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: If you're listening, please reach back out. I miss you.

904
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: Um she would draw like gorgeous, like Tim Burtony Skeleton

905
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: Girls unless into like my chemical romance and like and

906
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: like we would be like walking and like people would

907
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: throw things at us and it was great. Well, Tim

908
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: Burton does have a choke called on on Alternative Kids,

909
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: but now it's because it's like saturated culture so much

910
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: that it's not that anymore. Tim Burton was easily at

911
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: this time, like high school, my favorite of anything, my

912
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: favorite filmmaker, my favorite like cultural object, like your At

913
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: the time it was Corpse Bride, which I think is

914
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: objectively a bad movie. It's a bad movie, but at

915
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: the time I loved it and I thought it was amazing.

916
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: In retrospect, they're not really any Tim Burton movies that

917
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I would feel the need to rewatch, except for Batman,

918
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: which is perfect his Batman yeah with Michelle Fifer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

919
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: In retrospect, it's like it's funny, how like he was

920
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: the thing. And when like Alice in Wonderland was coming

921
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: out Our Child and Child Fatory, it's like that was

922
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: like the Wonderland, It's rotten, terrible movie. But when Charlie

923
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: and Chuck Effectory came out, like that was the most

924
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: anticipated movie of my like high school career, and now

925
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: it's like timber is fully a punchline and like has

926
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: not made anything good in EON's. What was your favorite

927
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: Timburton movie? Probably Beetlejuice, and it's still I've never seen it.

928
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: It's what you I've never seen it. I've literally never

929
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: watched it. Yeah, I've never watched Oh my god, well

930
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: let's do an episode on it. Oh have you never seen?

931
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: We can't wait until next Halloween to watch it when

932
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: we have to, because that's when I watched it every Halloween.

933
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: We need to, but I can't wait. I can't believe

934
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: we've never seen Beetle Juice. I know that Katherine o'harro's

935
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: in it, and yeah, a writer, writer, like the blueprint

936
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: for goth Girls. She kind of, my whole life is

937
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: a dark room? Is Wait? Was that also Beetlejuice? Yeah,

938
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: that's what she said. I have no idea what you're reference.

939
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: Her dad says, we'll build you a dark room, and

940
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: she says, my whole life is a dark room. Did

941
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: Tim Burton every a movie that had a person of

942
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: color in it? I'm gonna google list movies people of

943
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: Actually I think, um, yeah, the Dumbo remake that he did.

944
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: I think like some of the actors were were black.

945
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: I believe I do not on a cursory Google search

946
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: do not see any um people of color in any

947
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: of these castlests. So I will just say definitively that

948
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: it was not the te um. Oh. I also do

949
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: love Sleepy Hollow, Yeah you do, which I've also never seen. Well,

950
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: stay tuned Virgins for next Halloween. This Halloween episode that

951
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: when we do a full month of Tim Burton, No,

952
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: just kidding, we could do like a honestly, we could

953
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: do an episode on the Tim Burton Cinematic Universe. Absolutely,

954
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: that's that's that's we could for sure. Um. So I

955
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: still I guess to this day, like, do spend a

956
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: lot of time at malls? Um, especially now that I

957
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles, I go to them all kind

958
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: of a lot, do you? Yeah? You actually? I feel

959
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: like every time I call you, you're like, yeah, I'm

960
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: not fucking Beverly Hill Center or like whatever, what's the

961
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: other one that you go to? Outdoor one? Well, and

962
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, I go to Sephora or like Lordstrom and

963
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: you're there in your bondage, your red hair going to

964
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: build a Bear for you into build Bear. Yes, there

965
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: was when I was a senior in high school. As

966
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: my graduation gift for all my close friends, I made

967
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: them all in build Bear and dressed it up to

968
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: like look like them. That is a nice gift. It's

969
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: so thoughtful, isn't it. I remember every time I was

970
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: so nice the girls. All the girls had their birthdays

971
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: at Build a Bear in that like era of our lives,

972
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: And every time I have that, my mom was so

973
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: mad because that bear is so fucking expensive. So it's like,

974
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: isn't it like twenty five bucks or something like my

975
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: things baseline with inflation, and then with these you have

976
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: all the clothes and accessories. I always loved them. The

977
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: part where you take the heart and like make a

978
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: wish and then you put it was fucking gay. My

979
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: favorite part was when they stuck the bears hole onto

980
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: the giant pipe that filled it with cotton in a

981
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: very suggestive way. You're sick and I'm not sick. This

982
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: is a literal like TikTok. Yes, I'm aware of you're

983
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: aware of that. I also still love a Yankee candle

984
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: moment disgusting. I was a Bath and Body Works girl, sure. Um,

985
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: if you didn't have like a bathroom body Works hand sanitizer,

986
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: you were nothing. All of these store garbage, all of

987
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: these stores immediate headaches, Yankee candle headache, the bathroom body

988
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: Works headache, Abercrombie American Eagle, immediate migraine. But you know,

989
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: like a boy smells candle, you could burn it for

990
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: maybe a week, a Yankee candle, you could burn that

991
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: chip for two years. You don't go through a boy

992
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: smells candle in a week the way I burn it.

993
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: You do, girl, You do not savor anything voice smells.

994
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: Please know? Why would I say I want my apartment

995
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: to smell nice? So I burn a candle all day,

996
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: not all day like for you know, a couple of hours.

997
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: It is actually better for your candles to burn them

998
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: for longer periods of time. It does actually make them

999
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: last longer as opposed to burning them in hour long spurts.

1000
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: Just FYI, candle users, Okay, thanks for man splaining candles

1001
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: to me. Um, I wasn't man splaining that first of all.

1002
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: Second of all, um, I was it's definitely from also

1003
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: from a TikTok, like I saw a TikTok that explained

1004
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: to me how to properly burn a candle? Uh? You

1005
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: know what's really eerie? Have you seen any of those

1006
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: YouTube videos of people walking through abandoned malls only the

1007
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish music video like Urban Explorers. They're all of

1008
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: these malls across America that are just empty now and

1009
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: there's yeah, there's very spooky videos of people going through them. Wait,

1010
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: we should do that? Can we finally go to an

1011
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: abandoned mall and do what they're I don't know how apart,

1012
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: let's snort some at I did. I would have loved

1013
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: to have a part like when I was um in

1014
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: working night life and throwing parties. I would have loved

1015
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: to throw a party in an abandoned mall. And I

1016
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: actually used to throw a party called mall goof what Wait,

1017
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: let's throw a party called mall now and do it

1018
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: in an abandoned mall. No, my my party days are

1019
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: behind me and on in my like and honestly, like,

1020
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: nothing will ever come close to being like what that party.

1021
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to start throwing a mall party and I'm

1022
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: not going to credit you. I will I will sue.

1023
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's kind of virgins. You can all hear

1024
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: this now, I will sue fran fringing on my infancal

1025
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: sue me. Fine, you were talking earlier about like the shirts,

1026
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: shirts that you buy a hot topic, Okay, I feel

1027
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: like or rather, I actually was reading recently that there's

1028
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: a very distinct difference between hot topic when we were

1029
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: at hot topic and hot topic now. Oh yeah, hot

1030
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: topic now is all like um Rick and Morty merch

1031
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: Rick and Morty, which I still do not understand. It

1032
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: makes me, I don't know what it is. I don't

1033
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: ever want to watch it, but in the it has

1034
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: a guerrilla grip choke called on hot topic. It really does,

1035
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: and it it's like but also it also makes me

1036
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: like I want to kill myself because you walk in

1037
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: and be like do you remember the oldies friends the office?

1038
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: And it's like you're like, what, like what happened hot topic?

1039
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: It's just a merch store. Well I was reading actually

1040
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: that you know, in our days it was it was

1041
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: a lot more manic panic bondage pants, like true alternative,

1042
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: like counterculture. It was a counter culture store. It's like

1043
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: capitalizing on countercultural store. So to me, like that's that

1044
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: was hot topic in its purest form. And it was

1045
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: reading that in fucking two thousand four or whatever, when

1046
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite came out, a movie that ruined all of

1047
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: our lives, like truly, like why was that the most

1048
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: popular movie on the planet. Did you watch the movie?

1049
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: Did you like I'm seeing like twenty minutes of it? Really,

1050
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was funny. I didn't think it

1051
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: was funny either. But everyone in my in, like my

1052
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: student body, thought it was the greatest movie ever created,

1053
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: and we would quote it every single class period all

1054
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Speaker 1: day and it was like so fucking annoying. But I

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Speaker 1: was reading that Napoleon Dynamite and the year came out

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Speaker 1: was it was such a huge like thing, that hot topic,

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Speaker 1: like when they started to because they do all these

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Speaker 1: licensing deals for their T shirts, when they started to

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Speaker 1: sell like Napoleon Dynamite merch and like the vote for

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Speaker 1: Pedro shirt or whatever, there was an overwhelming demand for

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Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite shirts and that was when they pivoted to

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Speaker 1: licensed merchandise. And it is basically because of Napoleon Dynamite.

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Speaker 1: And also I guess Twilight in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: that hot topic is like we actually don't really care

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01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: about this whole counterculture thing as much, and we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna like license like a billion dollars worth of T shirts.

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Speaker 1: That is incredibly but I guess it also makes sense

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Speaker 1: because the reason I even knew about Hot Topic was

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: because I, as a teenager, was like really involved in

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Speaker 1: fandom online and that was really my first experience of

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Speaker 1: like a some kind of like countercultural community. And a

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Speaker 1: big trope at the time was writing fan fictions about

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Speaker 1: like Harry Potter, but making all the characters goths and like,

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01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, talking about how they shopped at Hot Topic.

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Speaker 1: And that's definitely how I found out was always comes

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01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: back to fan fiction, it does. Fan Fiction is like

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Speaker 1: the thing that has informed my life most for sure.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I I felt like, um, the Gotham

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01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: of it all definitely pushed me to experiment with things

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: that were outside of my realm of Christianity, like Panic

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: at the Disco inevitably became my favorite band because I

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01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: mean it's honestly, I listened to it recently and it's

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: still slaps, but that one album is amazing. I was

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: one of those girls that actually did like the folk

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Speaker 1: See follow up album that everyone hated that because they

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01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: like sold out, but I loved it, and I saw

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Speaker 1: them in concert for their full album too. Um, did

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: you only saw them a concert once? I saw them

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Speaker 1: a concert twice, possibly three times. I'm going to guess

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Speaker 1: it was four. No, I've seen there's some people I've seen.

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Speaker 1: I've seen Solange four times. I've seen Solanche like seven

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Speaker 1: or eight times. I've seen Florence in the Machine six times.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Um. Anyways, what I was saying is that, um,

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Speaker 1: before I actually did like Panic at the disco and

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01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: All American Rejects and um, all American rejects playing that

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01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: CD was on heavy play in my car. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: era of music. But before I got into that, I

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: did pretend to like Green Day for quite a while.

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01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: I never listened to what do you mean you pretended

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: to like them? Well, I this is a custole moment

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01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: of my life. I have basically figured out, in real time,

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Speaker 1: right in the middle of the very beginning of my

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01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: high school career, that what I've been doing all the

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Speaker 1: way up into this point is really not cool, like

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01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: wearing the Christian shirts, like being outside of like all

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Speaker 1: the culture that everyone was participating in. Like I figured

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Speaker 1: out at that point where I was like, oh my god,

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01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm missing out on something and I'm a loser, and

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01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: so I just grasped for the nearest cool thing near

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Speaker 1: me which was at hot topic, and it was like

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Speaker 1: Green Day and people around me that loved Green Day.

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Speaker 1: So like Green Day merch, Green Day merch, Green Day albums,

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Speaker 1: everything I um. I took up acoustic guitar lessons when

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01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: I was a kid because I wanted to be a

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Speaker 1: youth pastor. But I did learn. The first song I

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Speaker 1: ever learned was good Riddance by Green Day. But as

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Speaker 1: a child, I never not once listened to a Green

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01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: Day album all the way through. So you were just

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01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: like wearing Green Day T shirts. Yes, actually very specifically,

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Speaker 1: I had one. I think I only had a one

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Speaker 1: Green Day T shirt and it was a it was

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: a green green Day T shirt UM that had a

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Speaker 1: four leaf clover on it and a safety pin safety

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01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: pin malka alternative um through the leaf of the four

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01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: leaf clover, and it said kiss me, I'm punk Green Day.

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01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: There was a girl that I went to middle school

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01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: with who used to um stick safety pins through her

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01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: skin as like as you had that too, as like

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01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: jewelry thankles around Sky did that it was decorative and

1130
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: I did like tell on her to a teacher about it.

1131
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're a cop. So you're a cop. Wow.

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: I just I just unearthed that memory in real time

1133
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: and you're tattling on this girl and me calling the

1134
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: cops when I was six because of a rhinoceros o

1135
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: that I you know, I hope she's I hope she's okay.

1136
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: We're a cap now, it's fine. I will also say

1137
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: that I was scared for her, but I also kind

1138
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: of was just living for the drama with this safety

1139
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: pin green day shirt. I also would wear this Newsy

1140
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: this like kind of like a distressed Newsy hat um

1141
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: that I bought at Coles, kind of like the hat

1142
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: that Taylor is wearing on the Red Tailor Version album cover,

1143
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: and it's on the hat it said Rebel Newsboy hats

1144
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: were very much a thing I'm sort of around, Like

1145
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: I feel like we progressed from um Old Navy Too

1146
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: Gap and then to Banana Republic, and like the newsboy

1147
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: caps was very big at Banana Republic and newsboy caps

1148
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: were the precedent to Fedora culture, as led by Jason

1149
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: rass lady. Yes, I saw Jason Morass in high school. No,

1150
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: I Virginia ras BiCon. I definitely is he by Yeah,

1151
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: he came out as bisexual a couple years ago. Wow,

1152
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: go off for Dora's. All I know about him is

1153
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: that he's a raw foodist. I love Jason Mraz, I

1154
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: think in college, not as much as I loved Ingrid Michaelson,

1155
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: who was definitely my favorite artist. When I was like

1156
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: a song, is that the uh huh oh no, no, no, no, no,

1157
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: m yeah, I was into Ingrid. Michael said, oh, maybe

1158
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: I should read it as her. I'm going to type

1159
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: her into my Spotify. R oh, oh my god. Wait.

1160
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: I just opened my phone and I remembered that we

1161
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: Fran and I have both pulled up like images of

1162
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: ourselves in high school to show each other, and and

1163
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: mine just shot up as I open my phone. Maybe

1164
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: but okay, okay, let me pull up mine. Hold on,

1165
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: let me type Ingrid Michaelson into my Spotify to remind

1166
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: myself or oh yeah, you and I, that's the song

1167
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: as parents. I was also really obsessed with Dresden Dolls.

1168
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: What are those? Amanda Palmer's band Amanda Palmer in recent

1169
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: years has like, let's just say she writes really long

1170
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: Instagram captions, yeah, and like there might be some turf crossover. Yeah.

1171
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: But but one of the best concerts I've ever been

1172
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: to was seeing her at Webster Hall. That was so good.

1173
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: One of the best concerts I've ever been to was

1174
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: I went alone alone, my first concert ever alone, to

1175
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: see Ingrid Michaelson at Lincoln Hall, and I remember crying.

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01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: I was I have to listen to Amanda Palmer after this,

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01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm just like now like hearing girl and achronism in

1178
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: my head. Um Rose, we have reached the point of

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01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: the podcast where you and I are going to reveal

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01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: to each other a photo from childhood and are well,

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01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna show me your goth Damn no, no, no,

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01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: this is no, this is post goth. This is like

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: this was at the point in my life where I

1184
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: had not only was my flat ironing my hair most days,

1185
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: I had gotten my hair chemically straight. No, you didn't know,

1186
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: as I did not chemically straight chemically straightened. Yep. Okay,

1187
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: So I'm going to show you this is I'm being

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01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: very vulnerable. I'm showing you a pre transition high school photo,

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: which I've actually literally never seen for contact. I mean

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01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: it's very blurry. You can't see much because there's this

1191
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: is a group photo, and I'm zooming in as far

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: as I can on myself. So I will say I'm

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: in the center of the image. I'm wearing the blue shirt.

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01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh you're so cute. Your hair looks great, Virgins. The

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: photo I'm showing France shows a group of loser theater

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: kids at a like hotel banquet table. I am in

1197
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: this in the back kind of center, smiling very widely.

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a blue button down and tie and jacket,

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: and I have black hair that is like chemically straightened,

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01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: you know, swooshing down over my face. And I will say, um,

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01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: dear Virgins, that it is not an embarrassing photo, and

1202
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: you have scammed me. It is. Well, you don't get

1203
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: to tell me how I feel about it, because it's

1204
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: like it's like a photo of me, not as a woman.

1205
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: See you say that, but you haven't seen my photo yet.

1206
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: And I will say that this is a photo of

1207
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: me being like I was the loserious loser kid and

1208
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: all I wanted to do was be golf and so

1209
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'll be golf for Halloween. And

1210
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: for one day I was like, oh my god, this

1211
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: is incredible, and I straightened my hair. Okay, let me

1212
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: see this photo, let me see it it is. I

1213
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: also will say it's a photo booth photo. It's from

1214
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: like the the photo booth. And the best part about

1215
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: this I'm so mad at you. And then the worst

1216
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: it's a black in my photo and I'm wearing a

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01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: beanie over my my straight and iron hair that I

1218
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: strained myself. And I have to say, the most crucial element,

1219
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: don't you fucking dare take a photo of this Rose?

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: Take it to the contact photo of you on my phone.

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: Oh let me see you have to okay I'm wearing

1222
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a spiked choker that I bought. A hot topic.

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01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: The worst, the most disconcerting element of this photo is

1224
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:30,520
Speaker 1: that I didn't understand Rose. Stop, Rose stop, I can't

1225
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: your eyes are open. So I have to say that

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: the most disconcerting element of this photo is that I

1227
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: didn't understand goth makeup or like a goth aesthetic, and like,

1228
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: obviously what I should have done was worn like Eyeland

1229
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: or eyeshadow, but instead I drew black tear drops under

1230
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: my eyes, which is what gang members do when they've

1231
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: killed someone. You were in your MUA bag, but I

1232
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: thought that this was like what you people. So we

1233
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: have like a fun, a fun little thing we want

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01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: to do with y'all, virgins. We want you to confess.

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01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: I think of this as a digital confessional booth. Call

1236
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: into this number and let us know what is the

1237
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: thing that you are so obsessed with that you force

1238
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: everyone in your life to experience it along with you.

1239
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: And we want to hear from like both sides of this,

1240
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: whether you're a rose or whether you're a friend, whether

1241
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: you were like a totally like culture nerd growing up,

1242
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: or if like you didn't know anything and this was

1243
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: like the first thing that like cracked you open. We

1244
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: have a hotline ready for you. Three to three penance, okay,

1245
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: And if you don't know how to spell that, because

1246
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to spell it, it's three to three,

1247
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: seven three, six to six to three. That is three

1248
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: to three penance. So call in. We will play your responses.

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01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: It's good. If it's good, well, thank you so much

1250
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: for coming on this journey to the mall with us today.

1251
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: Meet me behind the mall as Taylor's What's said? UM.

1252
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: Join us next week when we will be talking finally

1253
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: about father Son and Tom. She starring Lady Gaga. I

1254
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard of her. You can tweet

1255
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: your takes at us on this week's episode. You can

1256
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: post it on your Instagram story anyway you want to.

1257
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: You know, get in touch with Rose or I about

1258
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: what you think about this topic. We'd love to hear it. Yeah. Also,

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01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: if you have embarrassing photos of yourself, um, that you're

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: comfortable sharing on the internet and your being a god,

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