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Speaker 1: like I said, we got a special episode here on

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Speaker 1: No Dunks today, Lee Ellis is in charge because Lee

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Speaker 1: you came to us. He said, Guys, I think I

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Speaker 1: got a top ten bruin like your coffee machine that

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Speaker 1: takes forever. This one's been regularly for a while here,

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Speaker 1: basically since the finals. Lee, and you, I guess have

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Speaker 1: completed the list and you're ready to go. We don't

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Speaker 1: even really know what the heck we're talking about here today.

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Speaker 1: What's your top ten list?

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Speaker 4: Mate? Yeah? So this one comes after the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 4: will crowned twenty twenty one NBA Championships. Because no title

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Speaker 4: is won without a little bit of luck along the way,

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Speaker 4: and in the Bucks case, especially in that second round,

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Speaker 4: they got lucky James hardeninjers He's hamsterring forty three seconds

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Speaker 4: into game one, Kyrie Evan hurts his ankle in Game four,

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Speaker 4: and even Kevin Duran's giant toe all had a little

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Speaker 4: helping hand in the Bucks getting out of that second round. Okay, now,

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Speaker 4: in the Conference finals, the Bucks had their own injury

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Speaker 4: issues because Jannas went down with with what looked like

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Speaker 4: as questionable right up until Game one of the finals.

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Speaker 4: Still he played, but they were in a hole down

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Speaker 4: oh two, and it didn't look good. They rattle off

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Speaker 4: four straight wins, win the series and the championships, and

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Speaker 4: you know what, that's all that really matters. So I

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Speaker 4: dug a little deep here into NBA history. Didn't go

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Speaker 4: souper ever, didn't go back to the start of time

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Speaker 4: for NBA basketball. I went back to when I really

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Speaker 4: started becoming a fan in those sort of mid eighties there,

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Speaker 4: and I tried to compile a list of ten unlikeliest

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Speaker 4: NBA championships. Now, these teams, you didn't have to be

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Speaker 4: a dark horse all season long and then come home

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Speaker 4: in the finals or the playoffs and win it. In

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Speaker 4: some cases you were, but it wasn't a requirement. What

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Speaker 4: was a requirement, though, was at any point during the

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Speaker 4: season the odds were pretty heavily stacked against you or

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs, or the team just didn't look good.

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Speaker 4: And tassy, I might need you to confirm some playoff

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Speaker 4: percentages at various points here.

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Speaker 2: Well you've been ready.

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Speaker 4: If you can. If you can, yeah, just off and

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Speaker 3: Anyway, playoff percentage.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, a series win, like, what what is

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Speaker 4: point in Yeah, exactly exactly, But anyway, look, it might

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Speaker 4: not necessarily have been just trailing in the playoffs. So

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Speaker 4: maybe it was a coaching change or a major upheaval

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, hold on, you're basically just going to piss

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Speaker 1: off ten fan bases on this show, right, are you saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you won the champion? Yeah, but yeah, should you have?

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Speaker 1: Here, but lean into it.

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Speaker 4: You guys. Remember when I did the biggest three point

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Speaker 4: shots in NBA history, I didn't want to put my

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Speaker 4: So I've done the same thing for this, and I've

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Speaker 4: to let the formula decide where they fall in line. Wow. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 4: So the first science, it is science. It's not any

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you'll see how that fits along. And then

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Speaker 4: Now this is a preseason feel what I remember going

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Speaker 4: you'd sort of have to talk yourself into them going

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Speaker 2: I love this already. Okay.

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Speaker 4: Number three obstacles that they overcame during the season or playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Number one normal injury or point one number normal injury

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Speaker 4: they should have been contented. They had a lot of

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Speaker 2: That last the.

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Speaker 1: Thinking is like the teams that usually win the title

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Speaker 4: Two three okay yes, yeah, but not always not okay.

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Speaker 4: And and the last category here is playoff difficulty. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so what did you have to do in the playoffs?

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Speaker 4: Home court advantage throughout? That's only one point. You know,

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Speaker 4: to win big on the road. Now, that doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 4: mean one game. Maybe it's a whole series. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. So at the end of it all,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like it's possible that the most unlikeliest NBA champion,

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Speaker 1: according to you slash science, will be a team that

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Speaker 1: the board in all five of the group.

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Speaker 4: That's the maximum you could return. Yes, yes, so well

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Speaker 4: we'll see how it goes. We'll see how the science

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Speaker 2: Okay, I will say this does sound more scientific than

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Speaker 2: most of your rubridts come up with a side of

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Speaker 2: the from the one the second point, this is more

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Speaker 2: of a well, what's a bit of a stretch. But

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Speaker 2: you know, some people say there is an art to science.

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Speaker 4: There is, yes, And look, I'll be honest. I had

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Speaker 4: some point I could as well. Okay, So anyway, Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's start with a bang of Mike Breen proportions. I'm

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Speaker 4: going with the nineteen eighty eight Los Angeles Lakers. What's

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Speaker 4: that you say? How could the defending champions possibly be

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Speaker 4: an unlikely champion the very next season? Well, I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you why, because history wasn't on the Lakers side. No

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Speaker 4: team had repeated as NBA champions since the Boston Celtics

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Speaker 4: almost twenty years ago, and the Lakers, after a grueling

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Speaker 4: earlier tries in that decade of the eighties and failed

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Speaker 4: are an aging team. Kareem Abdul Jabar was near the end,

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Speaker 4: and you just wondered if maybe the showtime Lakers from

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Speaker 4: It also tough for the Lakers is they won three

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Speaker 4: since the nineteen seventy eight Washington Bullets over Seattle had

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Speaker 4: Before they got to the finals, they had to take

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Speaker 4: It was like, Okay, all those games are starting to

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Speaker 4: Pistons haven't been there. The Pistons have had to overcome

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Speaker 4: a lot of playoff heartbreak themselves during the eighties, especially

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Speaker 4: Lakers had to come home and win six and seven

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Speaker 4: to repeat. Was not looking good. In Game six, the

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Speaker 4: Lakers survived one of the all time great performances by

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Speaker 4: Isaiah Thomas. You guys all know, I'm sure forty three points,

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Speaker 4: but he injured his ankle there in that third quarter

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Speaker 4: And then late Kareem abdul Jabba Lakers trailing by one.

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Speaker 4: Kareem abdul Jabbar goes for a skyhook, gets a very

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Speaker 4: generous call, our call on Bill Lampierre, goes to the

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Speaker 4: then game seven, you know, Isaiah's hobbling in. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: Science, all right, okay, first bracket franchise history, Well, look,

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Speaker 4: because again the teams the great teams like the Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 4: that's usually tassy. I don't know if you have the

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Speaker 3: You just said, and then we're going back, probably a

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Speaker 1: So who is the MVP this season?

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Speaker 2: Think the James science.

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Speaker 4: James Worthy had the huge game seven thirty six points

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Speaker 3: Playoff were his numbers not so juicyally as as they

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Speaker 3: look at this.

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Speaker 3: His Finals MVP numbers overall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty two, seven and four?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, only ever triple double was in that game seven.

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Speaker 4: only get five points in summary, not all that unlikely

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Speaker 4: all things considered, but history wasn't on their side, and

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Speaker 4: why they come in here at number ten. Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: A quick question, just you guys were talking about the

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm going to say this so early.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we've got the Rubric Lee because if I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at the Lakers nineteen eighty eight, three championships in

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Speaker 4: One for one so far, Okay, could.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll see what happens here at number nine, because

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Speaker 4: I'm going with the nineteen ninety nine San Antonio Spurs.

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Speaker 4: They were a good team. Tim Duncan was on his

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Speaker 4: that's why they slot in here at number nine. Now

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's dumb, but yes, it's meh championship. If there's a

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Speaker 3: But I'm looking forward to the science and I get to.

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Speaker 4: Well the Science, So number one franchise history. They get

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Speaker 4: I mean in a shortened season, fifty games, I had

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Speaker 4: they had a pretty pretty good run there. The star power, well,

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Speaker 4: I did give them only a one for this one,

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Speaker 1: Other ones that you were flying through there. What scored

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Speaker 4: Sorry didn't I say? I said two points, two points,

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Speaker 3: How how did how did they run through that playoff

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that Lakers series. No, No, that was again that

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Speaker 3: So ah, okay, that was just to correct you. That

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, ninety six nights.

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Speaker 3: two games in that series when the Spurs swept the

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Speaker 3: Lakers eighty sevent eighty one and seventy nine seventy six.

437
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 4: Oh you just wait, you just wait to see what.

438
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 1: Else It was awesome in that series. Yeah, he was

439
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: against the Shack.

440
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 4: Okay, number eight, I'm going with the twenty sixteen Cleveland Cava. Liz, Now,

441
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 4: this one is heavily focused, obviously on what happened in

442
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 4: the finals, because it wasn't really a surprise that Lebron

443
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 4: and the Cavs got back there. This time. He had

444
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 4: a healthy Kyrie and Kevin Love, and they were easily

445
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 4: the best team in the Eastern Conference. But they were

446
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 4: going up against the Warriors, who had just made history

447
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: by winning seventy three games, and they seemed unbeatable. Now,

448
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 4: Steph Curry got a little bit of an injury there

449
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 4: and what that that first first round, but it still

450
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,360
Speaker 4: felt like the Warriors were just the better team. Now.

451
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 4: We obviously all watched the finals, but I was in

452
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 4: Oakland for those first two games, and seeing the Cavs

453
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 4: get destroyed in Game two by thirty three points, I

454
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 4: was like, this one's a sweep. They are not even

455
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 4: going to get close. Cavs did win Game three, Warriors

456
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 4: one Game four, and they were going home, of course,

457
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 4: to close out the series. But I remember when we

458
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 4: were all traveling there for the finals. Of course, Tass

459
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 4: went to Game five. I confidently said to my wife

460
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 4: before Game five, don't worry. She was pregnant, heavily pregnant

461
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 4: at the time. I'm not going on the road anymore.

462
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 4: Don't worry that the Warrior is going to close this

463
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 4: out in five yea, because I was scheduled to go

464
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 4: to Game six in Cleveland. Did necessary Around about midnight

465
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 4: after Game five, I crept into our room and realized

466
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 4: I had to start packing. Awkwardly, God, because you were

467
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 4: leaving the next day. I was leaving in the morning. Yeah,

468
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty sure. I got the email from

469
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: our talent coordinator almost immediately you booked on this flight,

470
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god. So I had

471
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 4: to tell my wife, Yeah, I'm going to Cleveland for

472
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 4: business for a few days yet business. But even still,

473
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 4: even still taking away that side of it, I still

474
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 4: felt the Warriors are going to regroup here and they're

475
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 4: going to close out this in six. Probably. I think

476
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: they were favorite going into that game, but of course

477
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 4: they lost. They got really pounded in Game six. They

478
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 4: forced the Game seven and no team. Of course, this

479
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 4: is where history really was on the Golden State Warrior's side,

480
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 4: because no one had come back to win Game seven

481
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 4: from being three one down, certainly not on the road.

482
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 4: And I mean, where do you want to go for me?

483
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 4: Two of the biggest players we've ever seen. Obviously Lebron's

484
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 4: monster bloc and Andrea Dala, Kayrie's sidestep three that basically

485
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 4: won the game in the end there for the Golden

486
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 4: State for the Cleveland Cavaliers. And still, I mean that

487
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 4: just like was that one championship of Lebron's I think

488
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: is still bigger than any of those other three that

489
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 4: he's won, two with Miami and one there with the Lakers.

490
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 4: This one was just huge for Lebron. He did so

491
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: much in those game five, six, and seven to come back. Now,

492
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: obviously there was a little bit of luck on their side,

493
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 4: Draymond Green got suspended, Andrew Berger gets injured, but still

494
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: they had to go and win that game, and it

495
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: came down to those basically last couple of plays, and

496
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 4: Lebron's hands were all over the fact that he passed

497
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: to Kyrie Irving and said you can do it. You know,

498
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 4: he made that right call there. So I've got them

499
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 4: in here, but I also have them brank pretty lowly

500
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 4: because you've got Lebron James, the second greatest player of

501
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 4: all time, so like.

502
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 1: He just goes to the finals every year, even at

503
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: this point. Still it was exactly, yeah.

504
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 4: Exactly but again, the way that I tried to sort

505
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 4: of structure this was like they weren't going to do it.

506
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone after Game two, certainly after Game four,

507
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 4: thought that the Cads are going to do it. I didn't.

508
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Game four, I came home. I

509
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: was excited to celebrate with a lemon harito. So I'm

510
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: finally having me a pop after this. The season's over,

511
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: let's celebrate. Oh wait, Laura, you're also heavily pregnant. You

512
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: fly completely across the country to go see Game seven? Yeah,

513
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: you should. It's only going to happen once in your lifetime.

514
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: You've already got one kid, this is the second one.

515
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: Might as well go.

516
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: She was born a few weeks late.

517
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: Anyways, Thanks Ada, perfect and what a great experience you

518
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 4: got for that game. And then what a great video

519
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: you gave us as well. Tray in the locker room

520
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: after the game there with Kyrie and everyone, Kyrie gave

521
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 4: us a great shout out. That's still one of I

522
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 4: think one of our most watched videos of all time

523
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: because it was such a great celebration there.

524
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: Great times all right.

525
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: Well, and I'll just jump in as well, because the

526
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: narrative and what it was when the Cavs were down

527
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: three to one, when Lebron was, you know, staring down

528
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 3: the barrel of you know, losing this championship, just having

529
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: only won two before that, and a lot of NBA experts,

530
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: like real NBA experts, grizzled vets that have been around

531
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: watching him go down three to one just kind of

532
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: thought Lebron just didn't have it any anymore, and that

533
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: he was at this point of his career where he

534
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: didn't have a quote unquote finishing move of sitting there

535
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: at in Game five with you know, some of the

536
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: brightest minds who just thought this could be Lebron at

537
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: the end basically like on his decline and then yeah,

538
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: the thing things changed us, Yeah for sure.

539
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: But the dreamont Green suspension is a huge part of this,

540
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: of course. I mean, if he plays in game five,

541
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: do they win? Who knows? But and that was all

542
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: because of Lebron too, right, you know, triggering the flagrant

543
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: on Draymond that then put him over the number that

544
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: you could only go to to then trigger the suspension.

545
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 4: It's amazing, but also Draymond put himself in that course

546
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 4: like kicking everyone else in the nuts in.

547
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: The shocked Michael Beas right against the Rockets for no reason.

548
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, just no reason.

549
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 4: Okay, So the science says here, franchise history. They get

550
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: one point because, uh, you know a good team with

551
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 4: the history of winning championship. They haven't won a championship,

552
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: but they've been to the finals just the year and

553
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: of course Lebron had them there in two thousand and seven,

554
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 4: So I'd only get one point for that. Preseason fear well,

555
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: I think you know, the Warriors again after winning it

556
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 4: the year before, were a favorite. Could the Cavs do it? Yeah, sure,

557
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: but I think it was still the warriors championship to lose.

558
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 4: And of course throughout the season the Warriors were unbeatable,

559
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: but going seventy three and nine. So I give them

560
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,239
Speaker 4: two points for that because you sort of had to

561
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 4: talk yourself into the Cavs being able to do it.

562
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 4: Obstacles they had to overcome. Well, they looked completely dead.

563
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: They get two points here because they look completely dead

564
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: after two games and four games of the finals, and

565
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 4: they came back from that the star power up. Well,

566
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: I mean that's obviously only one point because they had Lebron,

567
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 4: James and Kyrie and Kevin, but Lebron gives them only

568
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 4: one point. And then the playoff difficulty, well, I mean

569
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: they had to win big on the road, sure, but

570
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 4: they also had home court everywhere else, so they only

571
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: get two points for that one. I mean you could

572
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 4: have given three maybe, but again I had to sort of,

573
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: you know, massage these points a little to fit them

574
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: all in here. So they finished there with eight points.

575
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: And again it was really all about what happened in

576
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 4: the finals, nothing really to do with their season there.

577
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so the total points was what eight points?

578
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 4: They had points? Yes, okay, I've got my math correct

579
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: so far, the Spurs had seven, the Lakers five, and

580
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: the Cavs with eight.

581
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: Okay, again, what's kind of a weird one, because, like

582
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: you're saying, the Cavaliers the second best team in the

583
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: league that year, and they've got Lebron, so you can't

584
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: really say super unlikely. But on the other hand, they

585
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: came back from down three to one against the team

586
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: they had just won seventy three games, So if you're

587
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: talking about the last seven games of the season, this

588
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: could be number one perhaps, But you know, throwing the

589
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: Lebron factor and everything that we've seen from his career.

590
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: It's just a tricky one to grade. That's why we

591
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: got the rubric.

592
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: Did they did they gain points or they docked points

593
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: for having beaten the Raptors in a two to two series?

594
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: Are Yeah, we'll see that. That's why they playoff difficulty

595
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: wasn't all that tough because Lebron just kind of dismissed

596
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 4: it as like this, this is not even a series.

597
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: He was like basically saying, so okay, number seven here,

598
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: we're going back to the nineteen ninety four Houston Rockets

599
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: because the first Jordan retirement really threw that season open.

600
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: The Suns. The Jazz looked good in the West, and

601
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: of course it was the Knicks in the East or

602
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 4: the Cavs as their favorite. The New York Knicks I

603
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 4: think were probably the favorite entrying that season because they'd

604
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 4: lost three straight seasons to the Bulls, and I had

605
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: this feeling that like those battles against Chicago probably toughened

606
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 4: them up to the point where it was a bit

607
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: like Jordan when he finally overcame the Pistons, it was like, Okay,

608
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: the Knicks now without Jordan, there there's no one that

609
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 4: can stop them and Keem and the Rockets had been

610
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 4: a good team making the playoffs, but hadn't really done

611
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: a whole lot of damage. And also you wondered if

612
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: the Rockets were kind of going to move on from

613
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: a chem Elijah, and he'd demanded to trade a few

614
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: years earlier. They almost traded him and it didn't come

615
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: through anyway. You sort of just wondered how much longer

616
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: they were going to go on there and maybe cash

617
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: in on this stuff. And the playoffs were crazy that

618
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 4: year because it was the top seeded Sonics who blew

619
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: that two zer leader over the Nuggets in the best

620
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: of five first round series. But here's where it gets

621
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 4: really big for the Houston Rockets because in the second

622
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: round they fell in a hole. They had a twenty

623
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: point fourth quarter letter at home of Game two against

624
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: the Phoenix Suns, but they dropped games one and two

625
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: in Houston, so they were heading to Phoenix. The Suns team,

626
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: of course, made the finals the season before and had

627
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: won thirteen games in a row at home. But that's

628
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: when a cheme Elaje one and the Rockets really turned

629
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 4: it around. They managed to get back into a two

630
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: to two series. They went up three to two in

631
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: that series, and eventually they lost Game six, but they

632
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: won Game seven, and that's where the nickname clutch City

633
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: was born because the Houston Chronicle I believe it was,

634
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: had the newspaper headline that was choke City. After those

635
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 4: first two games in the series, it looked like the

636
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: Rockets had completely made a mess of it. So they

637
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: come back from two to zero down at home and

638
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: win in seven, and then they face the Utah Jazz,

639
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: a team that's like if you remember in the nineties,

640
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: you know the Jazz, I think it was ninety one,

641
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: was it at nineteen eighty nine they lost in the

642
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: first round. But now it was kind of also like

643
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: Calm Alone and John Stockham were basically in their peak powers,

644
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: and it was like, this is a tough team. But

645
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: the Rockets won in five games in that series, and

646
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 4: there was even a dodgy shot clock timekeeper incident. I

647
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 4: think it was in game five there the Jazz shot

648
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: clock the Jazz needed to buss. He didn't even start

649
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: the shot clock for eight seconds. But the Rockets managed

650
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: to win that game. So move to the finals now,

651
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: and the Knicks basically have done everything they needed to

652
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: do they've gotten to the finals. They didn't have home

653
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: court advantage because the Rockets did have a fifty eight

654
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: game win season that season, but the next stole Game two,

655
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 4: so they did sort of steal home court advantage, and

656
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: they famously led three to two after Game five heading

657
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 4: to Houston. Tassi, I know you've got the percentages there

658
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: from nineteen ninety four. We must be around eighty five

659
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: eighty six percent here.

660
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: I was looking at about eighty six points six.

661
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, so there you go. And now I

662
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: remember Game six, of course, is huge because John Starks,

663
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: if he gets this shot off, it's a three pointer

664
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: of the Knicks down by two, maybe the Knicks win

665
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: the championship. Maybe they do, but instead a keem Elijuan

666
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: blocks that shot, deflex it, and then the Rockets do

667
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: go on to win Game seven. So they were all

668
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: so down. In another series, they were down and they

669
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: came back to win Game seven at home and become

670
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: NBA Championship. So, you know, a Keem Elijah On and

671
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: the Rockets, there was so much hope for him in

672
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: his early career. Remember nineteen eighty six, they made the

673
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: finals against the Boston Celtics. The King was only in

674
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: his second season at the time, but that was when

675
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: they had the Twin Towers of Ralph Sampson that didn't

676
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 4: work out. Then a King got frustrated with the franchise

677
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: and of all the teams anyway that we're going to

678
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: take advantage of the post Jordan retirement. The Rockets were probably,

679
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: you know, the fifth best team out of those ones

680
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: that I mentioned earlier, and I think this was quite

681
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: a shock for a lot of people. And again they

682
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: had to battle. They made life very difficult for themselves

683
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: throughout the playoffs, but they got there in the end.

684
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, you had the Hakim Olijuan

685
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: block on Starks on your greatest defensive plays in finals history?

686
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: Did you know I did? I did as one of

687
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: the greatest blocks of all time in the Finals. I

688
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: still think it was signimant. Again, who knows if that

689
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 4: shot goes in from John Starks, but if it does,

690
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: there's no doubt the Knicks win that series and become champions,

691
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 4: and Patrick Ewing becomes better than Keim Elijuan in that

692
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 4: series because you know, David ROMs in a chem Elijah

693
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: and Patrick Ewing or kind of battling for that who's

694
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: the best center? And I think, I mean, I loved

695
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: a Keim Olaijuan. There's no question he's one of my

696
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: favorite players of all time. But I think these two

697
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 4: championships that he got basically cemented him as better than

698
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: those other two guys. So you know that's how fine

699
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: the line is.

700
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a big legacy championship, no doubt, because,

701
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: like you're saying, at this point, you know, twenty seven

702
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: years removed or whatever it is, it's easy to forget

703
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: that Hakim Elijahwan could have easily not been a Rockets

704
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: legend for the entirety of his life after this. Right,

705
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: but you win a championship, win another championship, you're goilded.

706
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: Amongst those three big men that you're talking about from

707
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: the nineties, I'm one hundred percent with the early great Great.

708
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: Well, let's see what the science says for this one. Okay,

709
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: they only get one point for the first one of

710
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: the franchise history because they had made the finals in

711
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty six with a Keem Elijah one. They also

712
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: made it nineteen and eighty one the Houston Rockets, so

713
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 4: they've also been in the playoffs pretty much every season.

714
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: Elijah one was there, so they were a team that

715
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: you just expected to make the playoffs. The pre season field, well,

716
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: fourth favorite in the West alone, you know, so fifth

717
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: favorite overall. I think they were tired, I believe with

718
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: the Charlotte Hornets going in to win the championship that season. Yeah,

719
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: those other teams that I mentioned, you know, Jazz, Sons, Knicks,

720
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 4: and Cabs were ahead of them. The obstacles they had

721
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: to come overcome well again down oh two at home

722
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: to the Phoenix Suns, and they come back and win

723
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 4: that series in provided and seven, and again down three

724
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: to two in the finals and also winning in seven.

725
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: So they get two points for that. The star power, well,

726
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: I'm only giving them two points for that as well,

727
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: because the Keem Elijah one was legit otis thought was

728
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: actually an All Star that season. They had then they

729
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: had Vernon maxwor Kennick Smith, you know, good players, but yeah,

730
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: Keem was the only true true star on that team.

731
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: And then playoff difficulty, well they only get one point

732
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: as well because they did have home court advantage, and

733
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: again I think that's ultimately what saved them in the

734
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: end against the Phoenix Suns and against the New York Knicks.

735
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: So one point there gives them a total of it

736
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: should be it's supposed to be nine, but I've only

737
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: got eight there. What's happened here? You know, I give

738
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: them an extra Yeah, they get they get a summer,

739
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: they get a summary point. Yeah. So anyway, and I

740
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: put in some I put in summary here. Honestly, going

741
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: into that season, I would have said Phoenix or the

742
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 4: Knicks were going to win that championship that year, not

743
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: the Rocket, So you know that's my Yeah, whatever, I would.

744
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: Give him an extra point. Yeah, I think you had

745
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: dismissed the legacy thing a little too much. I mean,

746
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: their previous NBA Finals was eight years prior with the

747
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 3: same superstar. That's our pretty long gap in between NBA finals,

748
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: and they weren't a favorite, and all those deficits they

749
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: had to overcome. I don't know, I had summary two points,

750
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 3: I think. Okay, I think we may make them double

751
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: digits there.

752
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, where are we going to? Okay? The number

753
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 4: six on the unlikeliest NBA Championships champions is the two

754
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 4: thousand and six Miami Heat. Quite a surprise, I think,

755
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: actually that they went on and won at all in

756
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: two thousand and six because they had an aging Shack who

757
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: had promised a championship after being traded from the Lakers,

758
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: you know, in that post Kobe divorce there, and they

759
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: had a rising Dwayne Wade, but Dwayn Wade, I think

760
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: still wasn't quite at that level of the superstar Dwayne

761
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: Wade that we knew him to be by the end

762
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: of his career. And the Detroit Piston with the East

763
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 4: best team, and they had eliminated the Heat the season

764
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: before and had been to the finals, of course, winning

765
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: it in two thousand and four to two years prior.

766
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: So the Pistons at this team at this time are

767
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 4: a very established team. But in the Eastern Conference finals,

768
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: this is where Dwayne Wade really started to show his

769
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: star quality against the Pistons, but really because they upset

770
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: the Pistons. They won that series in six games. But

771
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: then the big turnaround came in the finals against Dallas Mavericks.

772
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: Dallas was a very very good team in two thousand

773
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 4: and six. They entered the finals as favorite, and they

774
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: did everything to basically justify that favoritism. When they were

775
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: up to zero, they won the first two games in Dallas,

776
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 4: and then in Game three, six minutes to go, they're

777
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 4: leading by thirteen points, and it's like, this one's a

778
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: right off. I mean, will this be a gentleman sweep?

779
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: That's what I remember think because I was watching that

780
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: game and I was thinking, Man, you know, yeah, dwayn

781
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: Wade's good, he's not quite good enough. Shacks a little

782
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: bit too old. They just couldn't really slow down the

783
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: Dallas Mavericks. But Dwayne Wade did drag that the heat

784
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 4: back into that game and it was tie. It was actually,

785
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 4: funnily enough, again, I went down so many YouTube rabbit

786
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: holes here. Dirk had a chance to tie the game

787
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: with three seconds to go, but he missed the free throw.

788
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: He hit the first, missed the second. Yeah, big Dirk.

789
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: So that was a costly, very very costly loss for

790
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: the Dallas Mavericks because they got blown out in Game four,

791
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: lost by twenty and then Game five was the big

792
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade twenty five free throw game. Mark Cuban was

793
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: so pissed he called the cops after the game. In fact,

794
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: he went to the FBI. He wented the FBI to

795
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: investigate Mark Cuban. He still thinks that that final series

796
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: was rigged. He did send some investigators to go and

797
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: look at every foul call. He wanted phone taps on

798
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: their referees. He just couldn't believe that Dwayne Wade could

799
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: shoot twenty five free throws. Now fair enough in some ways,

800
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: you know, that's a ton of free throws. But still

801
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: the Heat had to win that game. But this is

802
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: again two to three too, so the Dallas Mavericks and

803
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: history has shown us that you can actually still come

804
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: back and win those last two games at home. But

805
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: then it was a pretty much a collapse in Game

806
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: six at home from the Dallas Mavericks. They are a

807
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 4: big double digits in that first half, and then Dwayne

808
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: Wade took over, Shaq took over as well, and the

809
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: Miami Heat came back from again six minutes away from

810
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: being down three to zero. And I don't think they

811
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: come back to win this series. But instead they win

812
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: that Game three, and it almost felt like the momentum

813
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: shifted so dramatically in that last six minutes of Game

814
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: three that it just sucked the life out of the Mavericks.

815
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: They just weren't that good afterwards, and yeah, ended up

816
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: losing what was heavily favored in their way in six games.

817
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 4: So two thousand and six Miami Heat is in at

818
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 4: number six.

819
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: It's a good one.

820
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now let's see what the what the history says

821
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 4: here that one should be that one. I think. Let

822
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: me say yeah, okay, okay, okay. Franchise history. Well, look,

823
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: they had should have been in the finals a few times.

824
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: But of course pre Dwayne Wade and Shaq Era, you

825
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: know when the Alonso Morning days, they were fate. They

826
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: were the number one seed in the East, but they

827
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: fell over against the Knicks a couple of times. So

828
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: they only get two points here because there had been

829
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 4: some success, but some lean years in there as well.

830
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 4: For the Miami Heat, their pre season field, there was

831
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: some optimism and shaq as I said, he promised the

832
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: title when he arrived, but still felt they were a

833
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: bit of a long shot. I thought the Pistons were

834
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 4: clearly the best team in two thousand and six. The

835
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: obstacles they had to overcome so many points there, they

836
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: get to one point, they get one point. The obstacles

837
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: they had to overcome. I'm giving them two points here

838
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: because if you remember Stan Van Gundy resigned twenty seven

839
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: games into the Seira into the season, and that was

840
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: he said he wanted to spend more time with his family.

841
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: Pat Riley took over Shaq now Shack again as he

842
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 4: was getting a little bit older. He missed a quarter

843
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 4: of the season. He missed twenty games due to injury.

844
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: And so they get two points of that. But they

845
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: also because in the finals, I mean they came back

846
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: from nowhere really to win that game three and ultimately

847
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: the finals, So they get two points there. The star power,

848
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: So I gave them two points here because I don't

849
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: think Wade was a true superstar and I think Shaq

850
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 4: was on the decline, But combined, I think they were

851
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 4: one ultimate superstar. Yeah Zoe still, Yeah, they had Zoe,

852
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: They had Gary Payton, you know, they had they had

853
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: those guys.

854
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: But I think two is fair.

855
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

856
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then number three their playoff difficulty. Well, they

857
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: didn't have home court against the Pistons in the conference finals,

858
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: nor did they have it against the Dallas Mavericks, so

859
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: they had to win conference finals and the finals without

860
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: home court advantage. So I give them three points for that.

861
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: So if my math is correct on this, one, and

862
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: I hope it is. They should have had ten points

863
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 4: and a little linked to what we've seen today, not

864
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 4: quite the same, but DeAndre Ayton making the finals and

865
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: being very close to winning a champ chip ahead of

866
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: guys who were drafted after him as far as Trey

867
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 4: Young and Luka Doncic. Now, Dwayne Wade was obviously drafted

868
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 4: after Lebron and after Camalo Anthony, but I think it

869
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: was a little bit of a surprise to see Wade

870
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: win a championship and a finals MVP before one of

871
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 4: those guys at least, So.

872
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, put them on the map. I mean

873
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: for sure, games were like he was scoring like forty

874
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: and thirty five plus in every last four games of

875
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: the finals. Unbelievable.

876
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, number five, and I'm going with the twenty

877
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 4: fifteen Golden State Warriors because after a reasonably successful stinners,

878
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 4: head coach Mark Jackson was fired by the Warriors. At

879
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 4: the end of twenty fourteen, they'd made two straight playoff

880
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 4: appearances for a franchise that had only made it once

881
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 4: since nineteen ninety four. And if we remember, the Warriors

882
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: were pretty much a joke for most of the sort

883
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: of late nineties and early two thousands. Most of it,

884
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 4: of course, that we believe Warriors snuck in there and

885
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: gave the team a little bit of life. But Mark

886
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: Jackson really as well. He got fired because people in

887
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 4: the front office didn't like him. Mark Jackson, you know,

888
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: he had a lot of support from the players, So

889
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 4: a bit of an unusual firing for a guy who'd

890
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: had success and was liked by his players, and then

891
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: they bring in a guy out of the commentary box.

892
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: Steve Kerr never coached before, so ask me, that's a

893
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: pretty risky move when this team was starting to show

894
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: some real promise there. Steve Kerr obviously had some big

895
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 4: playoff moments as a player, just wasn't quite sure he

896
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 4: was the right coach for that team. But it turned

897
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: out to be an incredible move because the Warriors win

898
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: sixty seven games in his first year, and they play

899
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 4: with a style, you know, stretching the floor, shooting threes.

900
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: Everyone sort of was like, wow, you just can't stop

901
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: these guys on offense. But this was a little bit

902
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: of a problem too, because they were sort of considered

903
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: the jump shooting team, and we've been told forever jump

904
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: shooting team never win a championship. You know, the game

905
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: is different in the playoffs. You need to play defense,

906
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: you need to be able to get some tougher baskets.

907
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 4: So come playoff time starts off. Okay, they sweep the

908
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: Pelicans in the first round, but in the second round,

909
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 4: it did start to look as if maybe the Warriors

910
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: game plan wasn't going to work in the playoff because

911
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: they fell behind to the Memphis Grizzlies, and that tough

912
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: Grizzlies d and the Warriors in games two and three.

913
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: Game two, of course, was in Oakland, Game three in Memphis.

914
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: They shot six for twenty six in both games. From

915
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: Downtown Steph alone went four for twenty one. Tony Allen

916
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: was talking some trash. Maybe he was talking a little

917
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: bit too much trash, because the way that the Warriors

918
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 4: kind of got back into this series was like, Tony Allen,

919
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: we ain't playing you shoot all you want. You can

920
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: do whatever you want at yes, and that kind of

921
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 4: turned around the series. I still remember Andrew Bogert, who

922
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: was kind of assigned to guard Tony Allen, just turning

923
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: his back on him saying is shoot, man, shoot? So

924
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: they got out of that one. They survived that, and

925
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: then they faced the Houston Rockets, and the Rockets, of

926
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 4: course were led by James Harden, but it was like

927
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 4: the Rockets still a few They had James Harden, but

928
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: they didn't have a whole lot else after that, and

929
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 4: the Warriors won that series pretty easily.

930
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: The Warrior.

931
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: The Rockets also were a three point shooting team, which

932
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: I think helped Golden State a little bit because it

933
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 4: became a bit of a shootout and the Warriors just

934
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 4: had more weapons. But all it meant was you were

935
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: going to be facing Lebron James in his return to

936
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: Cleveland Cavaliers in the finals, and Lebron best player in

937
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 4: the world. Steph was MVP that season. But the Warriors

938
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: really caught a break too before the finals began, and

939
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: then an even big one after the first game because

940
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: Kevin Love, if you're remember in Game four of the

941
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 4: first round, had his shoulder dislocated tangling up there with

942
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: Kelly or Lennock, and I was like, wow, what a

943
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: blow for Lebron. You know, like second or third best

944
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: player is out and he couldn't come back. But it's Lebron.

945
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: He got them to the finals and then that game won.

946
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: If you remember, it was an awesome game. It went

947
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 4: to overtime. But this was a real problem for the Cavs.

948
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 4: Here Kyrie Irving, I think, broke his kneecap and he

949
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 4: was out for the remainder of the series. So Game

950
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: one great game. You think, Man, if the Cavs had

951
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: stolen that, there'd be a chance. But now without those

952
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: two stars, it was like, oh, this is like two

953
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: thousand and seven. Lebron and the Cavs. It was like,

954
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: there's not a ton of support there for him. But

955
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: despite all that, the Calves still led the series two

956
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: games to one at one point, and it was basically

957
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: Lebron and Deli who were delivering the blows for the Caves.

958
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: Deli stepped up there had twenty points in Game three.

959
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 4: So Lebron, despite everything, stole home court and the Warriors

960
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: honestly looked shook to me, and I was like, yeah,

961
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 4: Lebron's Lebron's experience is going to sort of come through here. Obviously,

962
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: playing with the Miami Heat getting to the finals and

963
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 4: the Warriors, it was a little bit of a feeling

964
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, this this they don't have much of

965
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: a game outside of shooting threes. The big move happened

966
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: when Andrea Gudala was inserted into the starting lineup from

967
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: Game four defended Lebron and and Lebron just ran out

968
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: of gas, and he also ran out of help, because

969
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean, who was their second best player? It was probably.

970
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: Yeah Carsgar put on some stats for Yeah.

971
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: It was probably Moscow. Then it was Tristan time Smith,

972
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: but you know Champet I think was on that team

973
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: and Delavdover and it was like the Warriors figured it

974
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 4: out in time.

975
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, this was the series when the comparison for

976
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: Lebron was this is like nineteen nineties football, where you

977
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: just give it to the running back every time to

978
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: try and run down the clock. Like Lebron brought the

979
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: ball up every single time, dribbled the ball for twenty seconds,

980
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: then either scored or dished it to somebody to try

981
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: and get another shot. Definitely ran out of firepower.

982
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: Yep. So the Warriors win the championship, and again injuries

983
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: play a part, but they still had to sort of

984
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 4: silence the doubters. I think. So let's see what the

985
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 4: let's see what the science says here. Franchise history, Well,

986
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: some success, but there were some lean years in there

987
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: as well. They've been to the playoffs recently, though, So

988
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 4: I give them two points.

989
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, this is a three.

990
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. Hey, they had no success, I know, but they

991
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 4: they've won that fifty one games this season before, is that? Yeah?

992
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: I give them three.

993
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's come on.

994
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, give them three points. That's fine.

995
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: Fine, they hadn't they hadn't been there and hadn't won,

996
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: and like, what was it forty years?

997
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

998
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, stupid.

999
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I sort of I sort of just tilted it

1000
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 4: just because of their you know, their Mark Jackson success.

1001
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: But three is fine. I'm happy with three. I'm happy

1002
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 4: to keep it. I'm happy it's you.

1003
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: It's your science, man. If you want to go too.

1004
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: That's fine, it's fine anyway. Okay, but listen their preseason

1005
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: feel they get they get two points for this because

1006
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 4: you would have to really talk yourself into them going

1007
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 4: all the way. They were plus two thy eight hundred

1008
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 4: to win at all, eighth in preseason. Yeah, and Steve

1009
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: Kerr again in his first season as coach. So I'm like, oh, it's.

1010
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: Only getting a two. Well, maybe I think this one

1011
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: should maybe be a friend as well. If I'm not mistaken,

1012
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: Ethan Sherwood Strauss was like the only guy on the

1013
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: entire internet to pick the Warriors to win the championship

1014
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: in the preseason, and he was a Warriors writer, and

1015
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah.

1016
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 4: That's that's a good point. That is exactly right, Ethan

1017
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: Sherwan's draft call. All right, let's go three, let's get

1018
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 4: crazy years.

1019
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: That's what one's going to The number one lost done

1020
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: likely is by the time we've done negotiating his category.

1021
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 4: Is okay, the obstacles they had to overcome. Well, so

1022
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 4: this is a tough one because I gave them two points, right, Okay,

1023
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: I gave them two points because they did have to

1024
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 4: come back from blowing home court advantage. But of course

1025
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: the other team was missing two of its top three players.

1026
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, that to me, they got the title exactly.

1027
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 4: That's okay. So yeah I gave them two for that

1028
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: because you know, normal injury stuff, but nothing major, no

1029
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: significant injury to keep play of them, not really, So

1030
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 4: I popped it right in the middle there too. But again,

1031
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: we can we can, we can adjust this if we

1032
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: need to. The star power, well, Steph Curry was MVP

1033
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: so you know, he was a star, and Klay Thompson

1034
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: was clearly a star as well. He was an All

1035
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: Star that season. So they get two points for that,

1036
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: and then the playoff difficulty. Oh, I've got a three

1037
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 4: for that, but that probably shouldn't be. They had home

1038
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 4: court all the way they should have. Actually, that should

1039
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 4: be number one. I should have had that as number one.

1040
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: So this might actually work out perfectly. Yeah, exactly.

1041
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: So if I've been following correctly, I think you have

1042
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: it at eleven top perfect.

1043
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 4: That's perfect. Doesn't matter how it works out. It's worked

1044
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: out eleven points there for the Warriors at number five.

1045
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: So anyway, again, they proved a jump shooting team could win.

1046
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 4: That's something that was sort of like a bad word

1047
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 4: in the NBA. It was like, no way, no waking

1048
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: that team.

1049
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: Well, the ultimate what f with this team too, is

1050
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: if Steve kotiks the next.

1051
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 4: Job exactly, and he basically had he basically I remember

1052
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: him saying one time he had to say to Phil Jackson,

1053
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 4: his old coach, Yeah, I said yes, but I'm actually

1054
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: going to take this one set. And stan Van Gundy

1055
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 4: would have had this job, but he wanted to have

1056
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: the general manager's sort of role as well, and they

1057
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 4: were like, no, thanks, So stan.

1058
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: By got with the Pistons.

1059
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. Okay, number four here, and I'm

1060
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 4: going with the two thousand and four Detroit Pistons because

1061
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: very good team wouldn't say they had a true superstar

1062
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: on that team. I think the Lakers, who didn't win

1063
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: the championship the season before that was San Antonios. The

1064
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: Lakers still had more individual talent. And here's where it

1065
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 4: gets a little bit weird here for the Pistons because

1066
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 4: they had the second best record in the East, there

1067
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: were seven games behind the Indiana Pacers, but the Pistons

1068
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: were actually seeded three because the Pacers won the Central Division,

1069
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 4: which the Pistons are also in, and the Nets won

1070
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: the Atlantic Division. The Nets had seven fewer wins than Detroit,

1071
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: but they're winning a division superseded the Pistons. It gets

1072
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 4: even weirder, so Detroit should have faced the Knicks in

1073
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 4: the first round. Instead they played the Bucks. But here's

1074
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 4: also where it gets weird again. They ended up facing

1075
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 4: the New Jersey Nets in the Conference semis, but the

1076
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 4: Pistons retained home court advantage for that because they had

1077
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 4: a better record.

1078
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: So.

1079
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 4: It's moving the goalpost a little bit on the run here. Now,

1080
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: Detroit did have to come back from three to two

1081
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 4: in that series against the Nets, and they won Game

1082
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: six in New Jersey and then got Game seven at home.

1083
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 4: Now I'm going to dig a little bit more into

1084
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 4: this series because this was just a disgusting series. Game

1085
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 4: one of that series, the Pistons held the nick Nets

1086
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: to fifty six points, forty six points. There were some

1087
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: this is some of the scores in that series, eighty

1088
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 4: two to sixty four, eighty one to seventy five, and

1089
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: then ninety to sixty nine in Game seven. Only one

1090
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 4: game in that series did the teams both teams break

1091
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 4: one hundred, and that was triple overtime of Game four,

1092
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 4: which also only happened because of Chauncey Billops half court

1093
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: heave to send the game to overtime. So that was

1094
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: just a grow series adding and the Nets could not

1095
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 4: hit free throws to close that game out. Jason Kidd

1096
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 4: missed the couple. I think was Kerry Kittles I believe

1097
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: who missed one as well. So Chauncey's heave gets a

1098
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: twelve time. The Nets actually going to win that series anyway.

1099
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 4: But so the Pistons did well, Okay, they sort of

1100
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: you know, hung on. They won that series, but when

1101
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: it comes to the finals, they beat the Pacers. After that,

1102
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 4: by the way, too, they beat the Nets and then

1103
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 4: they a very good Pacers team. Yes, so they had

1104
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 4: to battle in the Eastern Conference, but by the time

1105
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 4: they got to the finals, it was actually probably their

1106
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 4: easiest opponent because the Lakers didn't have an injury necessarily.

1107
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: I'm not counting sixty five year old kar Malone's Game

1108
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 4: three and four injuries serious. But the real strife for

1109
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: the Lakers was between Kobe and Shaq. Kobe was just

1110
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: firing away and Shaq in that series that the Pistons

1111
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 4: won in five games, went twenty seven for fifty five

1112
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 4: from the free throw line. Shack always told us he

1113
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 4: makes them win, they count. If you look back at

1114
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: that sort of recap now of that, it's pretty obvious

1115
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 4: to see that the Lakers would toast even after Game one.

1116
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 4: They did win Game two, but they just weren't on

1117
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 4: the same path there. But the Pistons were still a

1118
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: good team. The defense was very very strong, and they

1119
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: defended the Lakers well. Even though the Lakers didn't really

1120
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 4: push them all that much, but they are also this

1121
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: low because I just didn't feel going into the season

1122
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 4: that the Pistons were a championship winning team. And remember

1123
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: they also made the Rashid Wallace trade that did work out,

1124
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 4: and that was a Yeah, that was a bit of

1125
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 4: a risk, but she'd came in and was perfect for

1126
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 4: that team, really really solid fit. So the Pistons in

1127
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 4: the finals, I don't think it was all that tough

1128
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 4: for them, but getting there proved to be pretty tough,

1129
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 4: and they proved to be a pretty resilient team, so

1130
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 4: they had to overcome two teams that were better than

1131
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 4: in the East. But then by the time they got

1132
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: to the finals, the Lakers were still favorite going into that,

1133
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 4: they had a home court, but they just couldn't get

1134
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 4: it together. So the Pistons in a number four two

1135
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 4: thousand and four.

1136
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of my first times feeling like a real

1137
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: dumbass about basketball was the Lakers not being able to

1138
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: pull this off against the Pestonser' like, they got Shaq

1139
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: and Kobe. They just won three straight titles. I mean

1140
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: they lost one game.

1141
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: Who cares?

1142
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: They got Shaq? What's ben Wallace going to be able

1143
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: to do against that guy gard him apparently.

1144
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 4: Yep, A bit of an upset. Think it was a

1145
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 4: real upset that they got that one. So the franchise

1146
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 4: history a good team with a history of winning championships

1147
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 4: and making the finals. Of course, the bad Boys Pistons

1148
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: one two were in three and other than that, the

1149
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 4: Pistons made the playoffs quite a bit, So yeah, they've

1150
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 4: got some history there, So they get one point for that.

1151
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 4: Number two. The preseason feel, I've given them three points

1152
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: for this because they've made the conference finals the season earlier.

1153
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: But I just didn't think they were the best team

1154
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 4: even in the East. And then I thought there's no way.

1155
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: I thought the Lakers were still the favorite anyway, so

1156
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: I didn't think they had a legit shot to win it.

1157
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 4: And you know, they made the trade, of course for

1158
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 4: Shed because they probably felt they were missing something and

1159
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: he had a huge impact on both ends of the floor.

1160
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: The obstacles they had to overcome. Well, I've given them

1161
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 4: number two for that because they looked dead. I mean

1162
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 4: they were down in the playoffs there against the New

1163
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 4: Jersey Nets in an ugly, ugly series, and they made

1164
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 4: the big trade that usually isn't the sign of a

1165
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 4: team that is confident with what it's got. It's kind

1166
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 4: of like, oh, we need to swing for the fences

1167
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 4: a little bit here, and they did and it works.

1168
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 4: Sometimes it works exactly the star star power here. Well,

1169
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 4: Ben Wallace was an All Star that year, but that

1170
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: was it. But then you know, Chauncey was good, Rip

1171
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 4: was good, Tayshon Prince was good, but that was also

1172
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: I think a bit of a problem with the Pistons

1173
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: was like, these guys are all good, but where's that?

1174
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 4: Where's that? You know, Ben?

1175
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: This has to be a three?

1176
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 4: Yeah? Three? Well, no, the three is who's who? Have

1177
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 4: nobodies had Ben Wallace who was an All Star? So

1178
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: I give him only a two for that.

1179
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean an All star big in the East, I

1180
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: mean Jamal mcglore at times like he's not a star.

1181
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 3: That's it's an interesting scale. It's an interesting scale. Will

1182
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: any other team reached three? I guess there's no way.

1183
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that this was definitely the team. Yeah,

1184
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 4: this was team probably need Yeah, Hey, I'm flexible, we

1185
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 4: can make it a three. We can make it three.

1186
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 4: I'm fine.

1187
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: I think it should be because this is like the

1188
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: epitome of a team with a bunch of good players,

1189
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: but no no superstar, no like a top ten player.

1190
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: Nobody on that team was a top ten player. I mean,

1191
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: let alone a top twenty, top twenty five. I don't

1192
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: think a lot of people probably would have like your

1193
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: billups and stuff.

1194
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the thing. They had All star success

1195
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 4: after this season, okay, and then their playoff difficulty well, again,

1196
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 4: second best record, but they got bumped to third, so

1197
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 4: they kind of got pulled down even though they got

1198
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 4: a better record, and then they got that home court advantage.

1199
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: But it didn't really matter. Yeah, no, the home cre event,

1200
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: but they.

1201
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 4: Also did not have home court against the Lakers. And

1202
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 4: again I think that's why so I gave them three

1203
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: points for that, because it's like they still face the

1204
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: prospect of having to beat a chaotic Lakers team who

1205
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 4: was still just good because of the talent. They had

1206
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 4: had way more talent than the Pistons. But Detroit did it.

1207
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 4: So in the end, they did the hard work in

1208
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 4: the East, beating the nets and paces and got to

1209
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 4: the Lakers and it was like, oh, that was probably

1210
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 4: a lot easier than they were expecting it.

1211
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so it was the total for them in

1212
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: the end.

1213
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 4: Well, what did you get for your final count there?

1214
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: I had, Yeah, I had him at eleven as well,

1215
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 4: So I.

1216
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: Guess I was bumping it up to its fine.

1217
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: Twelve's fine, you can keep them a twelve because they

1218
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 4: can tie with the number three team.

1219
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: Three teams left.

1220
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the twenty eleven Dallas Mavericks, because there's

1221
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: a lot of history kind of going against this team.

1222
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: Was Dirk really that franchise superstar and twenty eleven carrying

1223
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 4: a team to a championship. He was an MVP, but

1224
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: he was probably more known and the Mavericks were more

1225
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: known for what had happened and going wrong for them

1226
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 4: in the playoffs two thousand and six, as I mentioned earlier,

1227
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: two thousand and seven, of course that we believe Warriors

1228
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 4: swept them, and then I think it was the Pelicans

1229
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 4: the year or the Hornets, the New Orleans Hornets after

1230
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: that beat them, and I was like, the Mavericks are

1231
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 4: just a good regular season team, you know, and they

1232
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 4: can't close out series. So Dirk was facing you know,

1233
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 4: serious like questions at this point of his career, and

1234
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 4: he was going up against the team that had beaten

1235
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: him five years early. Now, the third seeded Mavericks had

1236
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 4: had a good but only had the fifth best odds

1237
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 4: of winning the championship behind Lakers, Spurs, Heat Bulls, and Celtics.

1238
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 4: Twenty eleven. Lakers, remember they were coming off back to

1239
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: back championships with Kobe. First round, MAVs faced the Blazers

1240
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 4: one and six, but it was like, yeah, I mean,

1241
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: you should be able to beat the Blazers. But here's

1242
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 4: where I think the Lakers kind of got a bit

1243
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: lucky because the number eight seed of Grizzlies upset the Spurs,

1244
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: and so it sort of opened the door a little

1245
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 4: bit there in the West. But the Lakers, the Mavericks

1246
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 4: would have to get past the Thunder, which they did

1247
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: in a very entertaining five game series, and then what

1248
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 4: have I got this?

1249
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: Well, that's in the conference finals. Yes, that's a conference Thunder.

1250
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: But they beat the league, that's right.

1251
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they swept the Lakers. And that sweeping of

1252
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: the Lakers was fairly significant because it was like it

1253
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, wow, this team maybe is legit. And

1254
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 4: then the Thunder, who had obviously Kevin Durant and Westbrook

1255
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 4: and James Harden. They were rising, but it was like

1256
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: not quite ready. That was an awesome series, that five

1257
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 4: game series. By the way, Dirk really looked unguardable. But

1258
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 4: all it meant was they were going to face Lebron

1259
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 4: and the Heat with Dwayne Wade and Chris Biden the

1260
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 4: Heat on yeah, and it was like, Nah, there's no

1261
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 4: way the Mavericks are going to be able to beat

1262
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 4: this team because after a slow start to the season,

1263
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: the Heat was started to get it together and Dwayne

1264
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 4: had that psychological advantage over Dirk. Game one went pretty

1265
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: much the plant Heat looked too good, and I remember

1266
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 4: thinking at the time that Dirk and the MAVs would

1267
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 4: simply struggle in the series because they just couldn't defend

1268
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: all three of the Big Three. And I just didn't

1269
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 4: feel that. I just didn't feel that the Dallas Mavericks

1270
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 4: had enough in them because of what had happened in

1271
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 4: previous playoff series and Miami was going to be up

1272
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: two zero in that series. They led by fifteen with

1273
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 4: seven minutes to go in the fourth similar so similar

1274
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 4: to what happened earlier again with the Mavericks and the

1275
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 4: Heat in the series from two thousand and six, except

1276
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: it flipped on its head a little bit because the

1277
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 4: Mavericks did come back and Dirk iced the game with

1278
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 4: a three and then that layout and we were tied

1279
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 4: at one one. I also remember that night because that

1280
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 4: is the game two of that series when I was

1281
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 4: gifted a pair of JJ Berey's shorts by my dear

1282
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 4: friend Simon. I bell rest in peace, dear Simon. We

1283
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: were down at to Real Sports and he called me

1284
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 4: and he said, I got a surprise for you when

1285
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: I come, and I said, okay, great, I have no

1286
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 4: idea what he was going to bring me. And he

1287
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 4: pulls out a pair of JJ Berea's shorts and I

1288
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 4: still have them today, so it's amazing.

1289
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: Also Forrea, do I have the rate you're here? He

1290
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: gets crushed by buying them in the sweep right in

1291
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: game four?

1292
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is right, that is exact by them, and like.

1293
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: He's going, yeah off, he goes Okay.

1294
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: Then Lebron in the finals in the post Real shorts

1295
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: at Real Sports. The brotherhood of the traveling shorts around here,

1296
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: What what a story? Three stories about JJ Berea from

1297
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 2: the twenty eleven finals. From the twenty eleven playoffs. There's

1298
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: very unlikely.

1299
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it still looked again like Miami had recovered

1300
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 4: from that game to loss. They won Game three, but

1301
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 4: in the MAVs won Game four, and this was the

1302
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 4: Lebron James game where he only scored eight points in

1303
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: Game four and he looked bad, and it was like,

1304
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 4: what are you doing, Lebron? He just looked tentative two

1305
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 4: to two series, but tassy two to two series with

1306
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 4: the home team, of course having two games at home.

1307
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 4: I mean it tilts it in their favor.

1308
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: I got an eighty four point nine, right, great.

1309
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 4: But the series all change in game five. Dirk had

1310
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 4: twenty nine. Jason Terry, who was really good in that series,

1311
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 4: had twenty one off the bench in Game five, and

1312
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 4: the MAVs would have two chances to win the series,

1313
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 4: but again two three to two. So Miami most likely

1314
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: like the Rockets had done in ninety four and like

1315
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 4: the Lakers had done in eighty eight. I think the

1316
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 4: Miami Heat was still the favorite even though though were

1317
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 4: down three to two, but it wasn't to be because

1318
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 4: Game six was huge. Jason Terry had twenty seven points

1319
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 4: in that game. DeShawn Stevenson was hitting threes as well

1320
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 4: and sort of giving the salute to the fans early

1321
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 4: in that game. Dirk himself didn't actually have a huge

1322
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 4: game in Game six, but I mean he had obviously

1323
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 4: he was the leader of that team. And I mean

1324
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 4: so many playoff demons were slaid here by Dirk and

1325
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 4: Whiskey finally breaking through, winning a championship and sort of

1326
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 4: doing to what the Heat, what the Heat had done

1327
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 4: to him five years earlier. So very very happy here

1328
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: for the Mavericks that they broke through. And honestly, I

1329
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 4: didn't even think they were going to do it even

1330
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 4: when they led three too, So that to me was

1331
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: a big upset because again and it was the the

1332
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 4: Lebron Heaters that they promised this championships through three games

1333
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 4: of the series. Halfway through the series, I thought the

1334
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 4: Heat were home and they and they fell apart.

1335
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: This is the infamous calf y. Yeah exactly there, you know,

1336
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: caught on camera. I guess it's weed on Lebron, Right,

1337
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: were the walk they're marking Dirk being sick, if I

1338
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: remember correctly.

1339
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 4: Right, that's right? Yeah, Yeah, And they sort of they

1340
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 4: sort of looked like, you know, well, they're going to

1341
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: win this series so it won't blow up in their face.

1342
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 4: But when they lose it, it's like you you were

1343
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 4: clowning Dirk. And then Dirk came back and was Finals MVP.

1344
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: Two as well. Right when the Heat were up fifteen,

1345
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: with like seven or eight minutes left, maybe in the

1346
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,439
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, I think it's Wade hits a big three

1347
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: and he's like, flex into the bench. And then Jason

1348
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: Terry was like, we saw Dwayne Wade flex into the bench,

1349
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: and that was the game changer for us. They're like,

1350
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: you do not flex at the bench against us. Turned

1351
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: it around.

1352
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: That's absolutely the sort of the momentum swinging point right then.

1353
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 4: It was like, yep, they hate a home. They're up

1354
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 4: to are they're gonna win this series and they weren't

1355
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 4: able to do it.

1356
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: So that's when I started believing in momentum, that moment

1357
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: right then there. But you'd think d Wade after going

1358
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 3: coming back from two to ZHO only five years earlier,

1359
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: when you wouldn't get that little bone there. But it's yeah,

1360
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 3: everybody felt like that the Heat had that championship, but

1361
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: this was a really special MAVs championship and it's sort

1362
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 3: of like you talked about the Pistons there, Like people

1363
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 3: don't generally regard some of those guys as superstar players,

1364
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: but in this in this series, like I think Game

1365
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: six is a good indicator of guys playing just at

1366
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 3: a certain level, like that was superstar level. Like Jason

1367
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: Terror finishing that series with twenty seven points. That guy

1368
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 3: wasn't fun phenomenal in those playoffs. So guys you don't

1369
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 3: necessarily think of as super duper stars, but they were

1370
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: all all came.

1371
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: Together sets at that point too, like Jerry Kidd, Sean

1372
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: Mary and obviously Marian instrumental in playing Lebron. I know

1373
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like what are you doing, Bron?

1374
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: But the Matrix was awesome in that series on him,

1375
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: and yeah there was an old team for sure, but

1376
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: this is this is a lot of people's like if

1377
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: you don't have maybe like your own personal favorite team,

1378
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people love this one because it

1379
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: was getting his first and then they took down the

1380
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: rock Stars that were of course the supergame there in Miami.

1381
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think it's almost more that second

1382
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 4: one that it was like everyone kind of that they

1383
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 4: were the villains the hate and it was like, nice,

1384
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 4: Jimmy Lebron's Lebron's gonna go to Miami and win it,

1385
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 4: and straight away then it's like what hype is anyone

1386
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 4: happened for the next five years. But him losing and

1387
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 4: the hate losing after being in a position and of real,

1388
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 4: you know, dominance and looking like they were gonna win

1389
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 4: was almost like the perfect storyline for the non heat

1390
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 4: fans in the NBA because it was like, great, he

1391
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 4: lost when he should have won. Okay, so the science

1392
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 4: on this one, the franchise history. Look, I gave him

1393
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 4: a three for this because it's not automatically a team

1394
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 4: you associate with the winning titles, even though they were

1395
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 4: there in two thousand and six. But I honestly think

1396
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 4: the Mavericks were more considered like they blew it in

1397
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 4: two thousand and seven when Dirk was MVP and they

1398
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 4: had and they lost to the We Believe Warriors, and

1399
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 4: then they lost the finals as well after from the

1400
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 4: unlosable position two thousand and six happened.

1401
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 3: But it's a fair three.

1402
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: I think you would also, you know, factor in. I

1403
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: don't know about ju Lee, but when I think of

1404
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks, one of the first things I still

1405
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: think about is like early nineties, the Mavericks were one

1406
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: of the all time worst teams, So that kind of

1407
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: always stuck with me. Even once they became a playoff team,

1408
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: they're like, come on, it's the Mavericks, you know.

1409
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 4: And you can go back even to the first team

1410
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: that I had here that the nine to eighty eight Lakers.

1411
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: The Mavericks went took them to seven games in eighty

1412
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: eight in the conference finals, and it was thought, you know,

1413
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 4: the Mavericks of the team on the rise. The next season,

1414
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 4: they trade Mark Aguire for Adrian Dowley and that's basically

1415
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 4: when they fell apart after that for a lot of

1416
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 4: years there in the nineties. You're right about that. The

1417
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 4: preseason feel for the Mavericks, well, for me, I gave

1418
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 4: them some optimism, but still a long shot here because

1419
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 4: it was like this team, you know they're going to

1420
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 4: make the playoffs, but you just sort of feel they

1421
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 4: won't really get it done. You sort of had to

1422
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 4: talk yourself into them getting it done. So I only

1423
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 4: gave them one point for that. I don't think they

1424
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 4: were no legit shot at all.

1425
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: You could maybe give.

1426
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 4: Them two points if you really want as well there,

1427
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 4: but anyway.

1428
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: Seven seventh best odds to win the championship apparently. Yeah,

1429
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: let's actually give them heat with a bullet. Yeah, I

1430
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 3: give them too, Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Thunder all better odds.

1431
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so that's pretty lotty. Yeah, okay, I.

1432
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 3: Mean yeah, when you think when you get to the

1433
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 3: playoffs and they were the underdog in all four freakin' series.

1434
01:06:59,120 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1435
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 3: It is crazy. I remember when we were picking games

1436
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, not betting, not gambling, of course, but

1437
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: just picking our winners. I remember taking the other team

1438
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: three of the four series, and that was that was

1439
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 3: being in the MAVs favorite, being a MAVs backer if

1440
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 3: you were picking them for one freaking series, because yeah, Blazers, Lakers, Thunder,

1441
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 3: and Heat off favorites.

1442
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 4: Okay, So that was okay. So the number three here,

1443
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 4: the obstacles they had to overcome for this one, well,

1444
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 4: I've got them down at two here because they didn't

1445
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 4: have a significant injury, which is three, and they sort

1446
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 4: of didn't have to overcome a whole lot in terms

1447
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 4: of like chaos during the season, and they had eight

1448
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 4: guys who played seventy two games. More so, they were

1449
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 4: pretty healthy team.

1450
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 3: Now opting they were the old bunch too, Yeah.

1451
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Coarana Butler I think might have been the only

1452
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: guy who really went down with an injury during this run.

1453
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, and he was kind of, you know, sort

1454
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 4: of a deep rotation player there anyway, But.

1455
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: Pedro was hurt during the season, but he came through

1456
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 3: big here. He had that one big game in the playoffs,

1457
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 3: Ready had a twenty plus point game.

1458
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 4: I think it was the Blazer he was traded from

1459
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 4: the Raptors in during that season.

1460
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's probably why he was probably healthy.

1461
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Okay, so the star power, well I've got

1462
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 4: them also for a two for that because they had

1463
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 4: Dirk obviously he was an MVP, and then they had

1464
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 4: Kid Chandler, Sewn Marion, you know, pretty much a stacked roster.

1465
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 4: You could give them one point for that, but I

1466
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 4: gave them too because it was still it was Dirk

1467
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 4: was the MVP. Kid was still very very good Tyson Channel.

1468
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 4: I think it was an All Star that year as well,

1469
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 4: So maybe I could have given them Maybe I maybe

1470
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 4: should have only given them one point for that, but anyway,

1471
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 4: I gave them two because it's got to check out

1472
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 4: here and then number the playoff difficulty. I mean, they

1473
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 4: had they had to win on the road, and absolutely

1474
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 4: they did. They get three points for that because again

1475
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 4: they started the finals on the road. Everywhere else they

1476
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 4: had home court advantage, and they also got a little

1477
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 4: bit lucky with the s Is getting knocked out in

1478
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 4: the first round here, so the path kind of opened

1479
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 4: up a little bit for them. But still, as I

1480
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 4: said earlier, they lose Game one, should have lost Game two,

1481
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 4: and to win at least one of Game six or

1482
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 4: Game seven in Miami I thought was against him. So

1483
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 4: I gave him three points for that. Totally. I've got

1484
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 4: him down here for his twelve and the summary legacy

1485
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 4: defining series for Dirk and his entire career, because I

1486
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 4: honestly think if Dirk, if they don't win that championship,

1487
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 4: I'm not sure he ends his career as a one

1488
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 4: team guy. I think at some point maybe the Maps

1489
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 4: and him have been like, you know what, we've been close,

1490
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 4: it ain't working. Maybe the Mavericks cashing on him. I'm

1491
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 4: not sure. It's all speculative, it's all history now, but

1492
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 4: I just wonder because at that point of his career.

1493
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 4: He would have been there, what twelve seasons two fails

1494
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 4: or not failings, but you know, two times coming up

1495
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 4: short in the finals. I just wonder if maybe the

1496
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 4: Maps and him decide to part ways. Who knows, We'll

1497
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 4: never know the answer. Mark Cuban said he'd never do that.

1498
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 4: But it's Mark Cuban.

1499
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:01,480
Speaker 2: A sip.

1500
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 4: Min two to go here now. Now, this one was man,

1501
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 4: this one. I've spent probably a bit too much time

1502
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 4: on YouTube going down some rabbit holes for this one.

1503
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 4: But it's the nineteen ninety five Houston Rockets, right, I

1504
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 4: mean a bit like the Lakers earlier on this list.

1505
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 4: How can a team going for back to back make

1506
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 4: them unlikely? Well, actually quite quite a lot of reasons,

1507
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 4: because after basking in the glory of the ninety four title,

1508
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 4: it seemed a long shot they would go back to back.

1509
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 4: It almost had a bit of a feel like, Okay,

1510
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 4: we got one, and people were like, okay, yeah, they

1511
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 4: cashed in. They were kind of lucky. But there's no

1512
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 4: Jordan again at the start of this season. So I

1513
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 4: think a few other teams are like, we've really got

1514
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 4: to make sure we get this one. Now. They got

1515
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 4: off to a solid start in ninety four to ninety five,

1516
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 4: but they weren't even favorite going into that season as

1517
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 4: champion as champion favorite, and that's pretty rare for a

1518
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 4: defending championship definiting champion. Also, they made a huge trade

1519
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 4: during that season. They shipped Otis Thought for Clyde Drexler.

1520
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 4: Clydedrexer said he wanted to go to Houston, and he

1521
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 4: got his wish. But the moves kind of backfired at

1522
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 4: the start because the Rockets went seventeen and eighteen with

1523
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 4: Clyde in the lineup, and they finished sixth in the West. So,

1524
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 4: you know, not many teams have come back from sixth

1525
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 4: in their seedings to win the championship, and it looked

1526
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 4: like they wouldn't even make it out of the first round.

1527
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 4: They trailed the Utah Jazz two to one before Clyde

1528
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 4: and Clyde and Dream had forty each to force a

1529
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 4: game five and they won that. The Jazz, I mean

1530
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 4: blew it again. You know, the Jazz had chances and

1531
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 4: round two, or should I say round deja vu because

1532
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 4: they faced the Phoenix Suns, and just as they'd done

1533
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 4: a season earlier, Phoenix had home court this time. But

1534
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 4: Phoenix went up to zero in that series, convincing victories

1535
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 4: as well, and they were doubt They lost those first

1536
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 4: two games Houston by forty six points, right, so a

1537
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 4: little bit again. Also like the Cavs against the Warriors here,

1538
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 4: they won game three at home, but then they lost

1539
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 4: Game four at home. So the Phoenix Suns basically couldn't

1540
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 4: lose from here, but they did, and the Houston Rockets

1541
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 4: came back winning the next three, and of course everyone

1542
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 4: knows what happens in game seven to close it out.

1543
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 4: It's Mario Eli's famous kiss of death. So this is

1544
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 4: only the conference semifinals, mind you, So the Rockets certainly

1545
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 4: like to make life difficult. They've had to come back

1546
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 4: from both series so far to win. And then they

1547
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 4: face the San Antonio Spurs, who were the favorite, I

1548
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 4: believe that year to win the championship. And we all

1549
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 4: know what happened before Game one of this series in

1550
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 4: San Antonio. David Robinson was presented his MVP trophy and

1551
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 4: a king was just sitting there staring at him, just

1552
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 4: glaring at him, and Elijah went out there and absolutely

1553
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 4: torched him in games one or two. But this is

1554
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 4: where history is remembering things differently, I think because it

1555
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 4: feels to me like that series was, Oh, it must

1556
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 4: have been over in four or five games, but the

1557
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 4: Spurs actually came back on win game three and four

1558
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 4: of that series in Houston. I forgot all about that.

1559
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, and game four, Game four, the

1560
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 4: Spurs hammered the Rockets twenty two points, so lost home

1561
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 4: court advantage, then stole it right back and again, tassy,

1562
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 4: when you're a too too serious you've got home court advantage.

1563
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 4: I mean, you know that the.

1564
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: Numbers have changed, the numbers have changed since the last fired.

1565
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 4: But the Rockets then went and win game five again

1566
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 4: in San Antonio, and then six to close out the series.

1567
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 4: So a bit of a weird series. Again. There's that

1568
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 4: famous sort of footage of game one of Elijah one

1569
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 4: just like making fun of David Robinson. David Robinson afterwards

1570
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 4: in the press conference and been like, I mean I tried,

1571
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 4: I tried, I just couldn't stop me And David Robinson

1572
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 4: a little bit like Dirk in the last the last

1573
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 4: number there. People were expecting David Robinson to win a championship.

1574
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 4: He was regarded, I think still as the as the

1575
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 4: best player of those Big three, and the fact that

1576
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 4: Ewing wasn't able to do it the year before. It

1577
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 4: was like Robinson's turn. If he beats the Rockets, then

1578
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 4: he faces Shack in the finals, and you know, he

1579
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 4: was still considered obviously, like Shaq was a great, great player,

1580
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 4: but Robinson was like, it's his championship to win this year.

1581
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 4: But they couldn't do it. They couldn't get to the finals.

1582
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 4: So the Rockets, having taken the long, hard road, were

1583
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 4: now back in the finals, but would open on the

1584
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 4: road against those Orlando Magic and Shaquill O'Neill. And listen,

1585
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 4: the rock The Magic were feeling good because they'd beaten

1586
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,799
Speaker 4: the Bulls. Remember Jordan had come back. They beat the Bulls,

1587
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 4: and then they beat the Pacers in seven, making the finals.

1588
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 4: And the Magic started at home and they start as

1589
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 4: favorite to win that series. They were minus one fifty.

1590
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 4: The Rockets were dogs at one thirty plus one thirty

1591
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 4: to win the championship.

1592
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: My dog, that's why I had to step away for

1593
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: a second. I hadn't let my dog business outside. Yeah.

1594
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: So, and Game one of that series was going pretty

1595
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 4: much to plan for the Orlando Magic. They were up

1596
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 4: big but then you know, if you don't know what happened,

1597
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 4: Nick Anderson has a chance at the free throw one,

1598
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 4: he basically just has to hit one free throw out

1599
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 4: of four, and he clunks them both or clunks all

1600
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 4: four of them. Kenny Anderson, Kenny Anderson, Kenny Smith hit

1601
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 4: seven threes, and the Rockets steal game one in Orlando,

1602
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 4: and was like, hm, hmm, interesting, interesting, But you think interesting,

1603
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 4: Orlando's better than that. They'll bounce back again. You know,

1604
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 4: obviously Jordan wasn't Jordan Jordan when they beat them, but

1605
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 4: it was still Michael Jordan that that mental ability for

1606
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: the Magic to beat them, and they get swept, absolutely swept.

1607
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 4: The Rockets, I mean, in these playoffs look basically dead

1608
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 4: for all money so many times here, and then they

1609
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 4: came back and win, and then they end up sweeping

1610
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 4: the team that has home court advantage in a most impressive,

1611
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 4: most dominant fashion. So they get it done. But I

1612
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 4: think right up until the finals, it was like the

1613
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 4: Rockets were not considered favorite almost against anyone in any

1614
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 4: of their series.

1615
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: Again, definitely, I mean, I actually always wish the Suns

1616
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: had won one more regular season game because you said Lee,

1617
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: they beat a sixty win team in the Jazz. The

1618
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: Sons had won fifty nine that year, the Spurs had

1619
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: won sixty two, and then the Magic were the best

1620
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: team in the East record wise with fifty seven wins. Like,

1621
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: imagine the Magic had won three more games, the Sons

1622
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: won more. They would have went through four teams that

1623
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: were like sixty win teams, Like that's a I know,

1624
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: like sixty five is like the upper echelon teams of

1625
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: all the time, but sixty is no joke. And oh yeah,

1626
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 1: they basically beat close to four teams that were like

1627
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: a sixty win team.

1628
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 4: Very very yes. And that Magic team, you know, they

1629
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 4: had depth, they had really good shooters, and Shaq at

1630
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 4: this stage was in his third season there, but he

1631
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 4: was really starting to be like, wow, this guy, you know,

1632
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,799
Speaker 4: he was just he was a beast going up against

1633
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 4: a chem Elijah one. But Elija one played him really well.

1634
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, So anyway, let's say is that the.

1635
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: I can never remember is this the never underestimate the

1636
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 2: Heart of a Champion?

1637
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: Yes, right, it's this year. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense

1638
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: because they were the sixties.

1639
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Okay, so the science here, the franchise history, well,

1640
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 4: are they a one hit wonder winning at the year before.

1641
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 4: You know, do you give them one point for that

1642
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 4: or do you give them two points? I went with

1643
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 4: two points because that had some success, but they had

1644
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 4: some you know, they made the playoffs, but I.

1645
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: Just won the total.

1646
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 4: I know, but that's what I'm saying was that there

1647
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 4: was a feeling of like a one and again the

1648
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 4: odds makers didn't really think they were going to repeat.

1649
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 4: So I gave him two points for that. The preseason

1650
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 4: feel here, Oh sorry, that was a franchise is the

1651
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 4: preseason feel? I mean again, I gave them three points

1652
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 4: here to say, you know, they were no legit shot

1653
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 4: because of what the odds makers were saying. Well, yeah,

1654
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's sort of This was definitely influenced

1655
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 4: by the YouTube watching. It was like, how do they

1656
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,879
Speaker 4: keep on coming back? Anyway? They did? Now the obstacles

1657
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 4: they had to overcome. Now they didn't have a significant injury,

1658
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 4: but they made a significant trade. I mean, you trade

1659
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 4: away one of your core pieces for an older guy

1660
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 4: and Clyde Drexler. That's a big move. And again it

1661
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 4: didn't really work at the start. It did in the end,

1662
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 4: but it was like, man, you traded thought Drexler and

1663
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 4: if you you know me, if they lose, I would.

1664
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 1: If you never trade my four clear Otis Thorpe for

1665
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: a Drexler out that.

1666
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I gave them. I gave them three points

1667
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 4: of that because also what they had to do on

1668
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 4: the road, but the star power here, I gave them

1669
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 4: actually one point in the end for this one because

1670
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 4: of they had alij One, and they had Kenny Smith,

1671
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 4: and they had Robert Iri Vernon. Maxwell was actually out

1672
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 4: of the team by then, he kind of had a

1673
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 4: bit of a falling out. But they brought in Clyde Drexler,

1674
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 4: I remember, of the member of the Dream Team. So

1675
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 4: they only get one point there for that. But then

1676
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 4: the playoff difficulty, they get three points because they started

1677
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 4: every series on the road and came back from two

1678
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 4: and three to one against Phoenix and one. So in summary,

1679
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,879
Speaker 4: the Rockets made life very difficult for themselves, very difficult

1680
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 4: for themselves throughout the season and in the playoffs. And again,

1681
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 4: Nick Anson, let's say he hits one free throw. Let's

1682
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 4: say the Magic win Game one. Maybe the series is different,

1683
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 4: maybe it isn't, But I just sort of feel like

1684
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 4: a little bit like Ben Simmons in Game seven here

1685
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 4: for the rocket for the Sixers against the Hawks, Like

1686
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't. That wasn't the only play that decided that game,

1687
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 4: and Nick Anderson's free throw misses don't decide the whole series,

1688
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 4: but it sort of sucks the life out of a

1689
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 4: team that was in control of Game one for most

1690
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 4: of the way there and then they just couldn't recover.

1691
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,839
Speaker 4: They just didn't have that experience in the playoffs.

1692
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so twelve points good one.

1693
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm wrong about this, Lee, but

1694
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 2: I feel like if we had another show and you

1695
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 2: made your less of favorite champions, this one is coming

1696
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: in the top five as well.

1697
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 4: I think that's absolutely true.

1698
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 5: Yes, because yes, oh yeah, the Elijah One, Yeah yeah, comebacks,

1699
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 5: just everything about the Rockers because I really I loved

1700
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 5: Elijah one so much and I definitely thought he was

1701
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 5: traded at some point.

1702
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 4: For him to come back, win MVP and win two

1703
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 4: championships was just huge.

1704
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, a game named Pete Chilcutt.

1705
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and Pete Pete Chilcutt makes the He makes

1706
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 4: the U YouTube season review as well, like he's got

1707
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 4: a lot to say that one it's got a yeah,

1708
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 4: play in the fire. You see him on the in

1709
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 4: game one on the sideline, arms raised after Kenny hits

1710
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 4: that big three. So yeah, it's great. Anyway, it brings

1711
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 4: me to number one, and well, Skeze tastsy. You guys

1712
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,839
Speaker 4: can probably guess this one because it's the twenty nineteen

1713
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 4: Toronto Raptors.

1714
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: I was wondering while you're going through this lest I'm

1715
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: like thinking the whole time the raps are going to

1716
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: be on here as an unlikely champion.

1717
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 4: But number one, you say as well? And the reason

1718
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 4: I do this is because, like I think, there's so

1719
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 4: much history that was against the Raptors. Really a franchise that,

1720
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 4: whenever hope seemed to be on the horizon, despair often

1721
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 4: whiplashed it back to reality. Rafter star player, he wants

1722
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 4: out a few years later. You know, Vince was great.

1723
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 4: Maybe he put them on the map. He sulked his

1724
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 4: way out of there. Alonzo Morning didn't even bother showing up.

1725
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 4: You know, free agents spurned the organization like it was

1726
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 4: located in a different country, which it actually is. Okay,

1727
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 4: and Canada had already lost one of its NBA franchise

1728
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 4: after only six seasons there, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Vancouver Grizzlies,

1729
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 4: and I honestly wondered. I returned to the Raptor Toronto

1730
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 4: in two thousand and six, and I know, you guys

1731
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 4: have lived through the entire franchise history there, but for me,

1732
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 4: I was like, I'll be surprised if the Raptors don't

1733
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 4: move as well, because it just seemed like it just

1734
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 4: felt like to me, no one wanted to play there really.

1735
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 4: You know, Brian Langelot came in, he drafts Banniani and

1736
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 4: the Texas this, yeah, exactly, the TV as well.

1737
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called the only place on Earth that it's called.

1738
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 4: They seem curse. It seemed like a basketball team in

1739
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 4: hockey town, you know, even unloved by the country in

1740
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 4: which the league, you know, like the league technically began,

1741
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 4: like people just didn't seem to really if you're either

1742
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 4: a basketball fan and you love the Raptors, but it

1743
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 4: was very tough to bring over any hockey heads or

1744
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 4: even baseball heads because it was like the Raptors always suck,

1745
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 4: you know, they get to the playoffs and they can't win,

1746
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 4: and nobody wants to come here. So it was hard

1747
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 4: to convince those you know, the casuals on top of that.

1748
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 1: Lie for Vince Carter to be completely honest, yeah, exactly

1749
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: for those lean years there, or at least getting them

1750
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: back to a playoff team, because it was real bad

1751
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 1: for him.

1752
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1753
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 4: And then you know, even in the recent history, they

1754
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 4: made the playoffs in twenty fourteen, even had home court advantage,

1755
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: but that meant little because they lost Game seven at home.

1756
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 4: Paul Pierce was like, you know, rubbing it in everyone's faces.

1757
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 4: A year later, they back in the playoffs, had home

1758
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 4: court again, and it was even worse. It's even worse.

1759
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 4: You know, they lost Game four to the Washington Wizards

1760
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 4: by thirty one points. No way this team could stay

1761
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 4: the way it was blow them up. You know. It

1762
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 4: was almost like where the Raptor is better off not

1763
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 4: even making the playoffs rather than suffer this humiliation. Probably not,

1764
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 4: but you know what I'm saying. It's kind of like

1765
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 4: it was like, oh my god, how you know the

1766
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 4: Wizards of all teams as well. You know, sure war

1767
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 4: and Beale were good, but it's like that's not the

1768
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 4: Lobronto cabs where you can kind of justify. So they

1769
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 4: did make the playoffs next three seasons, going as far

1770
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 4: as the Eastern Conference finals there in twenty sixteen. But

1771
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,759
Speaker 4: Lebron wasn't worried when they were tied to two.

1772
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 2: Worried about Biambo grabbing boards.

1773
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 4: And he was pretty much proven to be right, because

1774
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 4: do you remember how much they lost Game five and

1775
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 4: six combined by oh.

1776
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: God, five, I'm got a little bit more, a little Lord,

1777
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: give me a sixty eight.

1778
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 4: For sixty four lost those two games.

1779
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: Jiro Smith never missed a three against True ye again,

1780
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he did it. That's crazy.

1781
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 4: And then after that the next two seasons they lost

1782
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 4: to Lebron again, swept both times, and it was like, okay,

1783
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 4: Lara in de Rosen that these guys can't win it,

1784
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 4: they can't win. Something had to change, Messiah. Jerry pulls

1785
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 4: off the huge trade, cashing in on the broken relationship

1786
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 4: Kawhi had with the San Antonio Spurs and really pulling

1787
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 4: off a huge upset there. Remember I think it was

1788
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 4: Chris Haynes reported when there was a potential deal going

1789
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 4: to the Raptors and Kawi was like, I don't want

1790
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 4: to go. I'm not going, and it was kind of like, well,

1791
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 4: what's the point of even talking if Kawhi is going

1792
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 4: to do that. But they get the job done, Perdle

1793
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 4: Derozen goes, you know, DeRozan finally the guy who's drafted

1794
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 4: by the Raptors. The fans love him, he loves the city,

1795
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 4: and they ship him off and it's like, ah, you know,

1796
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 4: I guess so for months exactly huge gamble and you know,

1797
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 4: and also mainly as well because Kaui was like, he

1798
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 4: didn't want to go, and he only had one year

1799
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 4: left on his contract, but Massiah went for it. Anyway,

1800
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 4: The books makers going into the season thought the Raptors

1801
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 4: would be better, but they were still fifth in preseason odds.

1802
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 4: The Warriors, of course clearly still the favorite. They had.

1803
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 4: They were going for a three peet there. And also

1804
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 4: not only was Kawhi the big trade there, but Massiah

1805
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 4: Jerry fires head coach Dwayne Casey fair enough, but then

1806
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 4: replaces him with first time and Nick Nurse. You know,

1807
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 4: unless you're a real true Raptor's head, you probably didn't

1808
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 4: even know Nick Nurse was an assistant coach, but he was,

1809
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 4: and he gets to the first job and they go

1810
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 4: out and win fifty eight games. Good enough second in

1811
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 4: the East and second in the league overall. But for

1812
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 4: the Raptors as the playoffs start, it felt like similar

1813
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 4: story was about to unfollowd who remembers what happened in

1814
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 4: Game one against the Orlando Magic. DJ Augustine hits the

1815
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 4: game ceiling shot and it was just like, here we

1816
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 4: go again. You know, new coach, new star player, but

1817
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. The Raptors just find a way to

1818
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 4: just blow it in the playoffs.

1819
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 3: But same old so exactly DJ.

1820
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 4: But somewhat surprisingly, the Raptors actually bounce back very quickly,

1821
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 4: and douchebagged the Magic in five games in that series,

1822
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, okay, but tougher test in

1823
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 4: the second round Philadelphia seventy six as Raptors had home court,

1824
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 4: but after three games they were down two to one

1825
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 4: and almost down three to one in Philadelphia there in

1826
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 4: game four until Kawhi Leonard hits a big three late.

1827
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 4: Two to two becomes three to three, and then of

1828
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 4: course Game seven in Toronto, Raptors led this one late

1829
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 4: and I was like, are they I think it'll win

1830
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 4: a close game, but then Jimmy Butler sort of fires up.

1831
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 4: Philadelphia come back in and the game is tied. With

1832
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 4: only a few seconds left, Raptors have the ball and Wow,

1833
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 4: Kawhi gets it, runs to the other side of the court,

1834
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 4: takes a pretty low percentage shot over Joel Embiid, rising up,

1835
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 4: hangs in the air, bounces around like fifty thousand times,

1836
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 4: and drops down. It's like, wow, the Raptors. It fell

1837
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 4: their way, it fell it went Toronto's way. Is this

1838
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 4: doesn't happen usually it's the other way. I remember watching

1839
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 4: that game thinking, like Jimmy but was going to win

1840
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 4: this game. There's no doubt Philadelphia wins this series here,

1841
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 4: but they didn't so quick celebration. But all that really

1842
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 4: meant was you go in to face the Milwaukee Bucks

1843
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 4: and Yannis who had finally really dominated. He was MVP.

1844
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 4: And after two games, I think Tassy even said on

1845
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 4: the show the Raptors championship was beating the Philadelphia seventy sixers.

1846
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 4: It was like that was kind of unforeseen, and they

1847
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 4: did it, and the Raptors were nearly down three to

1848
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 4: zero in that series, a little bit like the Mavericks

1849
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 4: against the Heat in two thousand and six double overtime,

1850
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 4: the Raptors pull out the victory. And then Game four

1851
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 4: they tie the series, but Tassy Bucks still have home

1852
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 4: court advantage.

1853
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,919
Speaker 3: They do, and four point four.

1854
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 4: And game five, Game five back in Milwaukee, and you thought,

1855
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 4: he's just like, ah, can the Raptors do this? I

1856
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 4: don't think so. They were bad in those first two games,

1857
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 4: but they did. And then game six, Wow, how much

1858
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 4: is happening? Game six, Sketzy jumped on a plane. Tassy

1859
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 4: was trying to get on a plane, and the Raptors

1860
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 4: were actually and Sketzee, maybe you can take us a

1861
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 4: little bit inside here in the third quarter though, down

1862
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 4: fifteen points, and you know, it has some pretty nervous

1863
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 4: people I'm imagining in that Raptor's crowd there for that.

1864
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: There were, but I will say it was such a

1865
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: different Raptors team because they had Kawi and what you

1866
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 1: had just seen in the previous series, like he was

1867
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: unbelievable in the sixer series at times and like single

1868
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: handley won them games, and that you always felt like,

1869
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: we have him, we could pull this off. You know,

1870
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: we just got to get start to run. I hear you.

1871
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean fifteen and you're a Raptors fan, You're like, oh,

1872
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh no, not this, But I had

1873
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: a different attitude to myself. I'll be honest, you know,

1874
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: I think I was the only one to even pick

1875
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: the Raptors to win this series against the buck So

1876
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: on our show between the four of us, So there

1877
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: was some belief in me just because of Kawai. Honestly,

1878
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,560
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this guy's the best. And I

1879
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: think Lebron's gone too. Lebron's in the Conference's huge, that's

1880
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 1: massive for the Psyche and we don't have to go

1881
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: through him, so like, yeah, I I it was. It

1882
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: was incredible. It was like probably the you know, the

1883
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: most fun I've ever had at a game when they

1884
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: won Game six to go to the finals and just

1885
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: the comeback and all of that and the place going crazy.

1886
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, what are run?

1887
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 4: And I think the defining play is that massive left

1888
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 4: handed dump from from Kawhi where Kyle Larry kind of bumps.

1889
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 4: I think it's honest, he kind of gets that boost

1890
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 4: in the way and Kawhi comes down and jams it.

1891
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 3: And that's that.

1892
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: I was at that end too. I was like baseline,

1893
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: like up in the lower bowl there, so it was

1894
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: at that that basket, Oh my god, credible, and so

1895
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: it was like, oh god, they're going to the finals. Yes,

1896
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: this is really happening.

1897
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah and uh and even then, I think Tassy probably

1898
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 4: said again on the show, you know what, beating the

1899
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 4: Bucks was their championship because they were going up against

1900
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 4: now the looking to three peak Goldens, they Warriors, and

1901
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 4: the Warriors would have home court. Actually so sorry, the

1902
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: Raptors had home court, but this was the Warriors. Now.

1903
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 4: They also got a break because Kevin Durant really didn't

1904
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 4: play in that series against the Houston Rockets. He had

1905
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 4: that achilles injury and it was like Kevin Durant, his

1906
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 4: status really was unknown. He didn't play in those first

1907
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,480
Speaker 4: two games. But it's just still felt Steph and Draymond

1908
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 4: and Clay the experience, and it was Toronto. Something would

1909
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 4: go wrong here. There was no way the lowly Raptors

1910
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 4: could win a championship in Toronto before the Blue Jays

1911
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 4: or the Leafies. No way couldn't happen. Game one they win,

1912
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, the Raptors win Game one,

1913
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 4: It's like could they do this?

1914
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,799
Speaker 2: But then what have the Raptors championship when playoff series?

1915
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 4: Because the Game two was like, nah, the Warriors are back,

1916
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 4: they're good enough here, and then they're going out for

1917
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 4: two in Oakland and I was out there for those

1918
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 4: two and I was like, if they get a split,

1919
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 4: if they get a split, that's absolutely massive here for

1920
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 4: the Raptors. Instead, they went three and four and I

1921
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 4: was in the crowd there. I was singing O Canada,

1922
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 4: the Australian singing O Canada. I was seeing oh Me

1923
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 4: and Moe Vernie and Nav Bartia there, we were just

1924
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 4: everyone was bonding. It was one of the most amazing,

1925
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 4: spine tingling moments of my life being there for the

1926
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 4: crowd there, because they were so so enthusiastic and energetic

1927
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 4: and passionate. It was incredible. But three one up, it

1928
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 4: happened recently, a team three one up and they blew

1929
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 4: it and Kevin Durant basically the Warriors were like, all right,

1930
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 4: he's coming back Game five, and what happens. Kevin Durant

1931
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 4: looks pretty awesome, hits a couple of three pointers. The

1932
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 4: Warriors look pretty awesome, and it's like, we were all

1933
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 4: in attendance for this, Yes we were, yes, But then

1934
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 4: obviously tragedy happens there for Duran as he rupture his

1935
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 4: achilles and left the game, but the Raptors couldn't fully

1936
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 4: capitalize despite holding a six point lead late in that

1937
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. Remember Skitsy, I remember we were there. It

1938
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 4: was like the Raptors are home.

1939
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: You were going I was not let the record show

1940
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: on a time left. You were going insanely in the

1941
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: press box, as I've shared this story before, you were

1942
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: smacking the back. John Schumann was looking over at you

1943
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't be doing this here. But also it's you,

1944
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: it's Lee. It's like, what's he gonna do. He's not

1945
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna like rat on you or anything. But uh, it

1946
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: looked like the building thought they were gonna win that night,

1947
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: No doubt they were. They were thought you were in

1948
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: the clear and they were gonna win it at home.

1949
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 1: But then what Korey and Clay hit some threes and.

1950
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 4: Hit some threes in the rappack. The Raptors couldn't win,

1951
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 4: and it was like three too and they're going to

1952
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 4: Oakland for game six. I mean sure game seven would

1953
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 4: be still in Toronto, but you don't want to game seven?

1954
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 4: And wow, what happens in game six? Kyle Lowry comes

1955
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 4: out on fire in that game, just so determined the

1956
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 4: first eleven exactly. Yeah, he was incredible, but it still

1957
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 4: was like it's the Warriors, you know, and then Clay

1958
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 4: late in that game he goes out with an injury,

1959
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 4: so the Warrior is you know, they were down a

1960
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 4: few men, but the Raptors pull it off. Man, they

1961
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 4: pull it off, and it's still for me, it's like,

1962
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 4: it's that's a shocker. That's a big shock that all

1963
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 4: the history are going against them, the fact that Kawhi

1964
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 4: was kind of a rental the new coach, you know,

1965
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 4: having home called down against Philadelphia, down against Milwaukee, and

1966
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 4: then facing the Warriors. The Raptors somehow pulled it off.

1967
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 4: And I do believe it is the most unlikeliest NBA

1968
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 4: champion we've ever seen because it made look sure, there's

1969
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 4: a little personal bias in here. I wanted to talk

1970
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 4: about this one. But did you guys, especially Trey and

1971
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 4: Tassire Skeets and the Task, did you guys really feel

1972
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 4: they were going to win that championship even when they

1973
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 4: were one one, I get say against the Golden Sea,

1974
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 4: where did you feel that you know, it just wasn't

1975
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 4: to be.

1976
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 3: Well, No, the Clay injury was a huge part of

1977
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 3: it too. So no, absolutely not.

1978
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: You picked the Raps to win the finals. Yeah you

1979
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: did on the show, yeh, because I remember people flipping

1980
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 1: back because at a certain point it was like Jesus,

1981
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 1: is this just destiny of the Raptors or somehow going

1982
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,560
Speaker 1: to pull this off? And when this it's like, you know,

1983
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,719
Speaker 1: after the Philly series, after the Bucks series, I agree

1984
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: with the whole injuries to Durant and then Clay. I mean,

1985
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: they they probably do not the Raptors probably need not

1986
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: beat them if they're at their full strength. I mean,

1987
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't think that's so far fetched to say.

1988
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 4: Though.

1989
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, Van Vlie did an awesome job. The Box

1990
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: won on on Curry because of those injuries. Some of

1991
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: those other guys obviously slowed him down, and they played

1992
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 1: great and they had awesome guys and Kawhi, who's still

1993
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: like easily top three at that point in the league,

1994
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 1: and then Lowry did his thing in the finals. It

1995
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: came through. But yeah, it was No, it feels like

1996
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: a dream half the time. Still, our show was ending,

1997
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 1: like let's look at that part where all of that's

1998
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: going on at the exact same time. It's like surreal,

1999
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: We're flying home to Toronto and like I'm watching Game

2000
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: six in Jurassic Park, you know, going on the air

2001
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: immediately after. It's like it's such a whirlwind of emotions. Yeah,

2002
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 1: they got They got lucky when it came to injuries,

2003
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 1: like most franchises do, most title champions teams do. But

2004
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 1: it was also it also just felt meant to be.

2005
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 1: I kept thinking it was going to be a Game seven.

2006
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I remember, I kept saying it and saying and saying it.

2007
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 1: In the end, they do it in six because they

2008
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: just kept winning in Oakland. That was the other weird part. Yeah,

2009
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: where they won the three games.

2010
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I definitely just picked them because I earned it,

2011
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 3: because I watched that crap basketball for so long in Toronto,

2012
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 3: because it was such a slow burn when you talk about, yeah,

2013
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 3: what they had going against them, that's that's a huge

2014
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 3: part of it. Just that that the fact that they

2015
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 3: were there in an NBA Finals, it just felt like

2016
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 3: it felt like that was enough. That was a championship.

2017
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 3: Even even having an All Star Game in twenty sixteen,

2018
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:46,799
Speaker 3: that almost felt.

2019
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 4: Like a championship.

2020
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 3: The fact that they survived, that they were still on

2021
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 3: planet Earth. You know, they they were real dinosaur just

2022
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 3: getting through every era. They were still there. So yeah,

2023
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 3: that was That was probably the first series where I

2024
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 3: just picked who I wanted to win and not who.

2025
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: Oh you definitely didn't remember, Well, this ain't no fun

2026
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 1: picking against my favorite team using like reasoning. It's like,

2027
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: you're like, screw it, I'm picking that rap Well, I

2028
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: remember Trey, I don't.

2029
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 2: I picked the Raptors. What are they gonna do cancel us?

2030
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 4: Who cares?

2031
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2032
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 4: Right, I remember being the endly guy gown like, yeah,

2033
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 4: I think the Warrior is somebody picked.

2034
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 3: I couldn't remember it was Tray or Yeah, yeah, I

2035
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 3: mean freaking incredible in game five.

2036
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's also a big part of picking

2037
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 2: the Raptors in this series, right, was that Kawhi looked

2038
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 2: like he had been the best player at least in

2039
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference. And Kevin Durant, like we're saying he

2040
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: didn't come back until game five. We didn't even know

2041
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 2: if he was going to come back at this point.

2042
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 2: But Lee, when you said top ten most unlikely champions,

2043
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 2: I didn't think there could be anybody else besides the

2044
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 2: Raptors to be because look at all of the things

2045
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: that had to line up, Like you said, he it's

2046
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 2: first thing that had to happen. Lebron had to lead

2047
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference for the first time in his career.

2048
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 2: The San Antonio Spurs had to botch a relationship with

2049
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 2: the superstar for the first time in their franchise history.

2050
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 2: He had somehow go to the Raptors for one season only.

2051
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 2: He had a four bounced shot on the same night

2052
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 2: of a major episode of Game of Thrones. Then Kevin

2053
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 2: Durant had to go down with an injury. Then Klay

2054
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 2: Thompson had to go down with an injury. There are

2055
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 2: many things that had to line up for the Raptors

2056
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 2: to be able to pull this off, and they did it.

2057
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 2: It's awesome.

2058
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point. I mean yeah, I just

2059
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 1: remember even saying Lebron was never leaving Cleveland again too

2060
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: after he won the title there, when he went back,

2061
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: He's like, now, why would he ever leave? He's never

2062
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: going anywhere like that one title we just said was like,

2063
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: that's like ten titles to him. He's set, you know,

2064
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: he's never going anywhere near right Trey, he goes to

2065
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 1: the Lakers, he leaves the conference the opening is there.

2066
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: And and then I would even add to that TK

2067
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: like the idea of like Messiasierie sort of having the

2068
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: balls to break up a very good lowry DeRozan backcourt.

2069
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: They're obviously like brothers, and he's like, well, this is

2070
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: just we can't just keep doing this over and over again. Sorry,

2071
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: one of you has to go and we're moving to Rosen.

2072
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 4: Added to that, and remember mid season he got rid

2073
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 4: of Valancunis as well. For Marcus.

2074
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 1: Marcas was crazy good in the poor season run and

2075
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: especially in the finals, hitting three years for their apps.

2076
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, wild, wild stuff. So yeah, so

2077
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 4: you want to do the science on this one.

2078
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: Or do it very quickly here?

2079
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, so franchise history, you know, look, not.

2080
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 2: Science real quick.

2081
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2082
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 4: The three the three points because there's no real need

2083
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 4: for Larry O'Brien to get a passport before that season.

2084
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 4: Pre season field again a legit shot at winning at all.

2085
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,759
Speaker 4: The Kawhi trade was nice, but it was the Raptors.

2086
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 4: I say no, I say no, give them three points.

2087
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 4: The obstacles had to overcome. Well, they looked dead in

2088
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 4: the playoffs a couple of times against Philadelphia. Maybe not

2089
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 4: dead against Philadelphia, but in Trouble and against Milwaukee, they

2090
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 4: definitely looked dead.

2091
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they get they get lucky, of course

2092
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 2: with the injuries in the finals, so do they.

2093
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 4: I gave him a two points for that like that. Yeah,

2094
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 4: the star power this one, I gave a two. They

2095
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 4: had the one franchise alter a. Kawhi was a legit star,

2096
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 4: Kyle had some playoff demons, and Pascal was great, but

2097
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 4: that was a that was gravy really with Pascal being

2098
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 4: as good as he was, So I gave him two points.

2099
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 1: We were getting graphics that were showing Kawhi and Pascal

2100
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 1: siakam basically doing like Jordan Pippen type numbers like what

2101
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 1: the HELLI like being like compared numbers wise of course

2102
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 1: in like a postseason and a finals run two MG

2103
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: and PEP. That's amazing.

2104
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 4: And then playoff difficulty. I also gave him a three

2105
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 4: for this, even though three of their four series they

2106
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 4: had a home court advantage, but that one big one

2107
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 4: the conference finals against the Bucks. They were on the

2108
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 4: rod that road and they had to win that huge

2109
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 4: game five. And also for what they did in the finals,

2110
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 4: winning all three games on the road, and they won

2111
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 4: Game six and they closed it out there, and also

2112
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 4: just to give them an extra point so they would

2113
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 4: be the team with the most points, therefore proving the

2114
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 4: science to be correct.

2115
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nice that the Apps generally and most

2116
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 1: of the series through game one like they're like they

2117
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: like to do in their franchise history. So that was good.

2118
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 4: You know, they didn't do it in the finals, of course,

2119
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 4: but in Philadelphia. I think that big Philadelphia. Yeah, Orlando

2120
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 4: and Milwaukee they lost.

2121
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Also, the Gasol signing is huge too, just for basically

2122
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 1: shutting down and beat or at least slowing EMBIID And

2123
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: so maybe we're the didn't you get the runs or

2124
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 1: something like that?

2125
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, truly, Yeah, I remember that. I had the same

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Speaker 2: thing happen on one of the episodes. But I mean

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Speaker 2: throwing this into the unlikely. Fred vant van Vliet becoming

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Speaker 2: an incredible player during that playoff run, Remember how brutal

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Speaker 2: he was and Philly, Yeah against Philadelphia, and then the

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Speaker 2: story was his wife had their second child, had a son.

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Speaker 2: Fred van Vliet cannot miss The guy was undrafted, right,

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Speaker 2: Like that's even to become a starting point guard. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for a team in the playoffs in the NBA is

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Speaker 2: an undrafted player that's unlikely to getting a Finals.

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Speaker 1: MVP vote from Yeah, the hell of a glow up?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 1: So the raptors on your list lately? My man, No

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Speaker 1: wonder this took you so long to put together. You

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Speaker 1: did some work there, dig indeed, making this list, coming

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Speaker 1: up with your categories, contemplating how you're going to score them.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you watched every NBA Playoff game since

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven on YouTube to come up with this.

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Speaker 4: Ah, man, I did spend a lot of time because YouTube,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's figured me out. The algorithms know me

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Speaker 4: inside it out now, right, kid? Exactly? There was a

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Speaker 4: there was an eight minute achem Elijah One defending Shaquill

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Speaker 4: O'Neal in Game one of the ninety five finals. I'm

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Speaker 4: not watching it. I'm not watching it, sure enough, I'm

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Speaker 4: watching nothing.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Oddly, do you have the list, like just the

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Speaker 1: teams just to wrap this up?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yes I do?

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Speaker 1: If you want to go ten through one again as

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Speaker 1: the top ten most unlikeliest NBA champions from Lee's lifetime

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Speaker 1: at least, okay, at.

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Speaker 4: Number ten, it's the nineteen eighty eight Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 4: At number nine, it's the nineteen ninety nine San Antonio Spurs.

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Speaker 4: At number eight, it's the two thousand and sixteen Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Speaker 4: Number seven is the nineteen ninety four Houston Rockets. Number

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Speaker 4: six is the two thousand and six Miami Heat. Number

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Speaker 4: five is the twenty fifteen Golden State Worries. Number four

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Speaker 4: is the two thousand and four Detroit Pistons. Number three

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Speaker 4: is the twenty eleven Dallas Mavericks. Number two is the

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five Houston Rockets, and number one is the

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen tramp Door Raptors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, all right, there is Lee's list unbelievable job Ley.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree or disagree? Let us know in the

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Speaker 1: YouTube comments below the vid. You can tweet at us

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Speaker 1: at no dunks Inc. That's i NC. You can tweet

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Speaker 1: at Lee Ellis if you want at Lee Ellis that's

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Speaker 1: l E. I. G. H. Ellis. If you want to

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Speaker 1: do that as well, send in an email no dunks

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Speaker 1: at the Athletic dot Com. Let Lee hear it. Did

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Speaker 1: you like the list? Did you have a problem with

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Speaker 1: his scoring system, some of his biases sneaking in there?

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Speaker 1: Let us know? Yeah, send in an email. Great job, Lely,

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Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. I always enjoy you

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Speaker 1: taking us through old playoffs series and what happened in

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Speaker 1: Game three and the storyline heading into game for You're

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Speaker 1: like Bob cost Is setting up the nerve for every

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Speaker 1: game and series. Unbelievable job. So yeah, send in your

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Speaker 1: emails guys. Lots more No Dunks coming your way throughout

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Speaker 1: really help us out, go to No dunks dot com

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Speaker 1: get yourself in a subscription to the Athletic, go to

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Speaker 1: Athletic dot com slash no dunks so they know that

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Speaker 1: we sent you JD. We didn't talk about this in advance.

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Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna go to the Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 2: You heard it here first. Have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 2: Love you guys. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Lee, we didn't talk about this in advance, but

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Speaker 3: you've got to have a quote from something, something that's

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Speaker 3: memorable from your past thirty years of best all adoration.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, and remember never under estimate the

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Speaker 4: heart of a champion.

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Speaker 1: Praise the day people you could stay.

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Speaker 4: Every day, and that you happy every minute.

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Speaker 2: It's been so long that your the onna waiting for.

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Speaker 3: It's happened already. It's gonna be Grevy