1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants house. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: That's not Giants, Dont come out my Giants, give me 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: some jobs. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast network. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 3: Let's roll. 6 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 4: Welcome to the Giants Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 7 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 4: the official bank of the New York Giants. We are 8 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 4: gearing up for Week four in the NFL and after 9 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 4: a bit of a money by the Giants, will host 10 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 4: the Seahawks on Monday Night Football is they look to 11 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 4: bounce back following their thirty to twelve loss in San 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 4: Francisco to the Niners last Thursday Night. To help set 13 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 4: the stage for the Giants next game, we bring in 14 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 4: a man who you could see every week as the 15 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 4: host of NFL Matchup and on Sunday NFL Countdown, reporting 16 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 4: from games across the league, none other than ESPN Sal 17 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 4: Palantonio Sally at Lance Meadow here on Giants dot Com. 18 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate the time, hop Pole as well. How's everything on 19 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: your end? 20 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 3: Everything is good, Lance, Thanks for having me on the program. 21 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. 22 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Well, it's a pleasure having you on the program. 23 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 4: Sala, and I want to start from a big picture 24 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 4: perspective because last season, where we were talking about the Giants, 25 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 4: It's fair to say we were putting the offense into 26 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 4: the microscope. 27 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: They had a very aggressive offseason. 28 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: They brought in pieces on both sides of the ball, 29 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 4: on offense and defense. But now this season, Zal, we're 30 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 4: putting both the offense and the defense under the microscope. 31 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: Give it the struggles across the board. What is more 32 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 4: surprising to you? If you were to assess this team 33 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: right now through three games, the offense or the defensive 34 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 4: side of the ball. 35 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 3: I would have to say the defensive side of the ball. 36 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: They basically because of what they did offensively, I thought, 37 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: you know, they were going to be good, and I 38 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: think they're going to be good. But the defense is 39 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: just not taking the ball away. I mean, you know, 40 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 3: you don't have any turnovers, you're not sacking the quarterback 41 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: like you should, especially with that very aggressive defense. I 42 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: just think the defense, to me is the bigger surprise 43 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: and the bigger letdown. You know, I was there in 44 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: training camp. He saw me. I sat down with Daniel 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: Jones one on one. It was right after satquon Bark. 46 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: They reported to camp, and I like what I saw 47 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: of the football team. I gotta say over all, Lance. 48 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: I am personally very surprised they've gotten out of the 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: gate so poorly. I really am. I mean, I didn't 50 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: expect them to beat the Cowboys, for sure, and of 51 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: course a trip to San Francisco on Thursday night is tough. 52 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: But when you last in the NFC and rushing and 53 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: second to last in the NFL NFC and passing offense, 54 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 3: and you've only scored forty three points only eight trips 55 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: into the red zone, you know, I'm surprised by that. 56 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: So you alluded to the fact that Wink marnin Dale 57 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: is known for his aggressive scheme. He's right up there 58 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: in terms of the blitzing percentage compared to the rest 59 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 4: of the NFL, and everybody normally looks up to his defenses. 60 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 4: But how much do you think the defensive struggles come 61 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 4: down to? Simply they're not getting enough disruptive plays from 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: their stars, such as the caveon thibodeauz that Exeter Lawrence 63 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: is the Leonard Williams of the world. Maybe more so 64 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 4: than anything connected to the scheme. 65 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: I agree. It is about your stars performing at the 66 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: higher level than the other team stars. You know, football 67 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: is a game of matchups, I've been involved with that 68 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: show now for twenty years. It's my twenty year hosting 69 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: the show, and I believe in that it's a game 70 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: of matchups, and you have to win matchups with your athletes. 71 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 3: Those star players, those players that you're paying the most 72 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: and you expect the most from, have to come through. 73 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: They have to be the outliers and the difference makers. 74 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: Those sound like cliches, but they're cliches for a reason. 75 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: Lance it's what wins or loses at the NFL level. 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: You can scheme up certain things, you can coach certain things, 77 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: you can have tactics, but in the end, it's about 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: the players making plays. We all know that, and about 79 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: players winning their one on one matchups against the opport position, 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: and in this game against Seattle, pivoting just a little bit. 81 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: I know you want to get there and you're starting 82 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: out big picture, but they have to win their matchups 83 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: against Seattle on defense, and they can. I think they 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: match up pretty well against Seattle. Seattle's offensive line is good, 85 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: not great. Gino Smith is prone to making mistakes, has 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: been in his career. Is playing better, but this is 87 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: a game where the defensive stars of the Giants need 88 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: to be disruptors, need to be making plays behind the 89 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. That that, to me is the key. 90 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: Sal. 91 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 4: I'm glad you went there with respect to the matchup, 92 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: because the other thing that jumps out to me is 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: the Giants mistackles the defensive side of the ball, and 94 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: I want to focus specifically on who Seattle presents in 95 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 4: the backfield because Kenneth Walker and Zach Charboney are very 96 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: different but also very physical, and if you don't wrap 97 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 4: them up, it's going to be a very long evening 98 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: or a long afternoon. How much do you think with 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: respect to mistackling, this is a great litmus test for 100 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 4: this Giants defense to determine how many strides they made 101 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 4: given what the Seattle backfield is going to present in 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: this matchup. 103 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: Well, it has to be a point of emphasis this 104 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: week because the tape doesn't lie. You're exactly right, Lance, 105 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: You know, the tackling with the Giants has not been 106 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: up to the level as you would expect from a 107 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 3: New York Giant defense. Now, not as an excuse, I 108 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: won't offer it, but tackling around the league has been 109 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: pretty suspect this year. In the last two to three 110 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: years because nobody's hitting in training camp anymore. But in 111 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: this particular game, where you have backs with tower and strength, 112 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: you have to swarm to the football and get them 113 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: on the ground. The blocking scheme of Seattle is not 114 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: terribly complex. You're not playing the forty nine ers. It's 115 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: straight ahead and its body on body and its helmet 116 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: on helmet and had on hat. So in this particular 117 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: the game you alluded to it the question before the 118 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: guys who make the most money, the guys who are 119 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 3: the stars of the team, the guys who are supposed 120 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: to be disruptors and penetrators, especially in the run defense, 121 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: have got to show up. And that's effort, and I 122 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: think it will. I think there's a sense of urgency 123 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: slash desperation for this Giants team. They know what's next 124 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: on the schedule. They are on Monday Night football. Their 125 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: last two opportunities on the national stage did not go 126 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: at all as planned. This is a Giants team that 127 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 3: I think will rebound in this game against the Seahawks 128 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: because they understand what's at stake and so it's an 129 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: effort thing, especially with tackling, and I think it will 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: be there. 131 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: For them this week, so as an extension to that, 132 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 4: and as you can attest to, this is a matchup 133 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: driven league. I think in the wake of how much 134 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 4: energy it took and the rally against the Arizona Cardinals 135 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 4: and how they lost the Cowboys in the nine, many 136 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 4: people pointed to, well, that's a red flag because Arizona 137 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 4: is nowhere near Dallas at San Francisco, you should have 138 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: handled your business better. In the wake of Arizona giving 139 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: Dallas a very hard time and winning that game, Does 140 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: that soften the blow in your mind in terms of 141 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 4: what it took the Giants to overcome Arizona, given how 142 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: matchups once again dictate the results of this game. 143 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: Yes, short answer, absolutely, yes. Bigger picture answer where I 144 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: saw from Daniel Jones in particular in the latter part 145 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: of that game against Arizona was very encouraging because you know, 146 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: you have a component to his game that I think 147 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: that the Giants need to exploit more, and that is 148 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: his ability to run and outrun defenders. And he has 149 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: obviously gained muscall and strength in the offseason. When I 150 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: was with him in camp, it was clear and now 151 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: you see it and it was on display in that game. 152 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: Now of course against the forty nine ers, which is 153 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: a far superior team on a short week, that was 154 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: a tough ball game for them. But I think the 155 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: Giants having some rest and the Seahawks coming across the country, 156 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: this is a game that sets up with the Giants, 157 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: can you know, get themselves to a position of five 158 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: hundred and figure it out from there. 159 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with Citizens, 160 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 161 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 162 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: you ready for all that life breaks? 163 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: The huddle is brought to you by Citizens, the official 164 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: bank of the New York Giants. From game day to 165 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 4: every day, Citizens is made ready for Giants fans with insights, 166 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 4: guidance and solutions. Learn more at citizensbank dot com. As 167 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: we're talking with ESPN South pal Antonio setting the stage 168 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 4: for the Giants of the Seahawks. 169 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: On Monday Night Football. 170 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: Earlier, you brought up the Seahawks offensive line and perhaps 171 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 4: this could be a matchup in which the Giants try 172 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 4: to bring up the pressures and the sacks. The other 173 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: thing that's interesting to be sad is the Seahawks offensive 174 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: line has been beat up over the first three games. 175 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: They were at a point against Carolina they were down 176 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: four starters, yet they still managed to put up thirty 177 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: seven points in each of the last two games. You 178 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: look on the Giants side of the equation, they also 179 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 4: have dealt with their fair share of injuries, specifically on 180 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 4: the left side with Andrew Thomas and Ben Brettison. The 181 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 4: results haven't been nearly as encouraging. What, if anything, can 182 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 4: Giants fans take away or the Giants coaching staff even 183 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: in your mind, if Seattle can find ways to overcome 184 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 4: being decimated by injuries on the offensive line, what perhaps 185 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 4: the Giants could tap into, especially if they need to 186 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: utilize more and more of their depth chart here moving forward. 187 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have to throw the Carolina game out. 188 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: The Pampas are a mess. You never know what you're 189 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: gonna get with the Canters from play to play, drive 190 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: to drive, quarter to quarter. So I wasn't surprised at 191 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 3: all at what happened. I had I had a feeling 192 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: that Seattle would prevail in that game. Now, how do 193 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: the Giants, let's let's boil it down to this lance, 194 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: how do the Giants win this game. What are the 195 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,359 Speaker 3: three things that they have to do well? First and foremost, 196 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: they cannot turn the football over. They've got to stop. 197 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: They have to go back to last year when day Ball, 198 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: you know, basically instituted a no turn on, no fly 199 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: zone for anybody to turn the football over. You know, 200 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: you can't be minus five in the NFL and do 201 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: any do anything. I mean, I don't care what it is. 202 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: You can't win games, you can't win your division, you 203 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 3: can't go to playoffs at your minus five. I don't 204 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 3: care how good your quarterbacks playing, how big, how good 205 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: your stars are playing, Just forget about it. You know 206 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: that has to be to me. If I was in 207 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: the Giants meeting rooms, if I'm day Ball, if I'm Kofta, 208 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: if I'm Daniel Jones, that's the number one point of emphasis. 209 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: You're probably not going to have sa Kwon Barkley. I 210 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: don't have any kind of inside information, but based on 211 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: his injury history and the history of that ankle of 212 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: ankles in general for running backs, and even if you do, 213 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: you don't know how effective he's going to be. So 214 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: this is a game that's going to be one or 215 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: lost by that quarterback and you can't turn the ball over, 216 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: So you can't. You have to be super judicious and 217 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: careful with the football, and it has to be the 218 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: number one point of emphasis. And then too, I would 219 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: take the football, don't defer if you win the toss, 220 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: take the ball and grind out an early good drive 221 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: that results in points either a field goal, preferably a touchdown. 222 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,479 Speaker 3: Get off early on Seattle, because if you get behind 223 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: on Seattle, you'll have a problem. I think you have 224 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: to get up early on Seattle in this game. Number 225 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: one thing is when you get the early lead, then 226 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: you turn things loose defensively on Geno Smith and try 227 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 3: to get him to turn the football over. That to me, 228 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: are those are the three things in this matchup the 229 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: Giants must do in order to win the game. Because you, 230 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: I don't know what the exact number is. You probably 231 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: have it off off the top of your head. They've 232 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: been outscored what fifty six to three in the first 233 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: quarter or first half. 234 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: It's been insane, right, sure, yeah, Well, they put themselves 235 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 4: in these large deficits to your point, where they've had 236 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: to dig themselves out of it and play catch up, 237 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 4: and they're not built to do that given the problems up, 238 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 4: they're not mine. 239 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not. They're not built to do that. So 240 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: you've got to find a way to grind, grind out 241 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 3: at early scoring drive some way, somehow, whether it's scripted, 242 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: have constingency plans based on you know, Pete Carroll's defense 243 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: is not that complex. It never has been. He's always 244 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: used superior athletes and a very Vanella scheme and the 245 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: key plays in front of you. So Daniel is going 246 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: to know everybody in the league knows that about Pete 247 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: Carroll's defense. Again, I go back to matchups. So what 248 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones has to do in this game, very specifically 249 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: is don't overthink it, take what Carol gives you in 250 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: this defense, and grind out an early offensive scoring drive. 251 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: I mean I would take the ball and make sure 252 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: you get the lead. 253 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: It makes sense, especially since you want to test that 254 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: Seattle defense to your point, which is struggling. Based on 255 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 4: all of the rankings, they're thirty first in a few 256 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: different categories. So I think that would be something that 257 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: perhaps could give the Giants a little bit of motivation. 258 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: You brought up Daniel Jones's running ability earlier, sal and 259 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 4: I think It's interesting because Saquon didn't play in the 260 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: Niners game, and you mentioned based on his injury history, 261 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: you can't assume that he's going to have this quick return. 262 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 4: How much do you think in the eyes of defenses? 263 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 4: And I know Seattle and San Francisco are not equivalent, 264 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 4: but they're saying to themselves, well, if we don't have 265 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 4: to worry about Saquan, now we can actually hone in 266 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 4: on Daniel's ability to run because it is such a 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 4: dangerous facet and that this gives defenses more on their 268 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: minds to say, we don't have to worry about the 269 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: other running backs and we can limit the damage done 270 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 4: by the quarterback. How much do you think those dynamics 271 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 4: may have played into the San Francisco game and something 272 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: that Seattle will be looking at as well. 273 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: One can't deny it, There's no question about it. You 274 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: know what makes a running back work in an RPO 275 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: kind of offense where your quarterback is a dual threat 276 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: who can win outside the pocket and inside the pocket 277 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: is deception first and foremost. First rule of battle. Don't 278 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: wake the horses. That's the bottom line. So if you 279 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: have deception in your running game, if you have to 280 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 3: dedicate a hat on defense to both the running back 281 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 3: and the quarterback. That's a big problem for the defense. 282 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: If you don't have to do that and they can 283 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: focus in on Daniel as a runner, he's gonna have 284 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: to win some One of the best things I saw 285 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: on Instagram this summer was Bill Parcells is in camp 286 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: and he was visiting with Brian day Ball and he 287 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: introduced himself to Daniel Jones. I don't know if you 288 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: saw this little clip and Parcells said, nice to meet you. 289 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: Don't forget throw it to the open guy. Did you 290 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: see that? 291 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: That was great, right, And that's the thing he'll has 293 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: to do with this game, you know. And that's up 294 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: the Kafka and day Ball, you know. You know, if 295 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: you don't have Barkley, which it looks like you won't, 296 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: and they will be king on Daniel as a runner, 297 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: then scheme up some easy leads for him. And what 298 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: I would like to see is that tight end who 299 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: has made his bones a route runner in the middle 300 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: of the field with one on ones where he's doing 301 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: those crossing routes, and Daniel throws the crossing routes very 302 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: well against the vanilla defense, throw on first down. Look 303 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: at what Jalen Hurts did with AJ Brown last week 304 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: and Monday Night Football. They had trouble getting trouble getting 305 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: the passing game going. AJ Brown lined up left X 306 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: and sometimes in the slot and just they forced one 307 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: on one matchups in the crossing routes and he just 308 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: beat his man and they threw it to him and 309 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: you got yards after the cats. That's what Waller is 310 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: there for, right And that's what he's there for. So, 311 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to coach up the team obviously, 312 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: but there are ways that this could happen, and I 313 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: think that they can figure it out. I do. 314 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: You loved her, You're. 315 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Good at it. 316 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: So you started her business, business grows, your savings, grow, 317 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: become the most celebrated name in jur Are you ready 318 00:16:59,440 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: for all that? 319 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: Friends? 320 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 4: So you brought up the nature of Pete Carroll's defense, 321 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: and we talked about the struggles pretty much across the 322 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 4: board and how this could very well be an attractive 323 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: matchup for the Giants. But what I don't think we 324 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 4: could overlook, and I'm curious your perspective is, in fairness, 325 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: they are down a lot of talented guys on the 326 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 4: back end. Jamal Adams is set to make his season 327 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 4: debut Monday night, so that's a boosted safety end. They 328 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 4: were down two of their starting corners against Carolina and 329 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 4: Riek Woland and Kobe Bryant. How much at all do 330 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 4: you think that's played into the large passing numbers that 331 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 4: the Seahawks have given up or would you argue, hey, 332 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 4: this is Pete Carroll's scheme and whether they have their 333 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: big horses on the field or not, they're still prone 334 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: to give up those big plays. 335 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: I think it's a mixture of both. You want to 336 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: have your top line starters on the field. Teams have 337 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: been able to throw the ball against Carol when he's 338 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: had his top flight people. If you have a quarterback 339 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: who's pace one two, makes good decisions with the ball. 340 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 3: Because what Carol is trying to do, he's not trying 341 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: to rent extra space in your mind, he's just trying 342 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: to weight you out. He's just trying to wake the 343 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: quarterback out to see how patient he's going to be 344 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: and then date him into a last minute bad decision 345 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: and get the turnover. That's what this team has been 346 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: built on for well over a decade. That's how they 347 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl with the lesion of doom. So 348 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: I think this is a waiting game. It's a game 349 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: of patience, and that's one thing that Daniel has, you know, 350 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: or has had in the past, certainly had a last year. 351 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: He's got to exhibit that in this football game. I mean, 352 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: you know, Lance Let's you never want to say must 353 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: win to an athlete because they know that you know 354 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: your job, you get paid to win every game. But 355 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 3: this is as close to a must win as you 356 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: can possibly have football Giants. 357 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 4: Well, especially when you look at who's on the horizon 358 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 4: in terms of the Miami Dolphins and the Buffalo Bills. 359 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: To your point, the schedule doesn't get any easier. 360 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 4: As we're talking with ESPN South pal Antonio about the 361 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 4: Giants Seahawks Monday night matchup. 362 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: Giants fans love a winner. 363 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 4: That's why they love Citizens named a twenty twenty two 364 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: Best Bank in the US by the Banker as the 365 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 4: official bank of the Giants and sponsor of the Huddle, 366 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 4: Citizens is made ready for fans of Big Blue. Learn 367 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 4: more at Citizens bank dot com. And what Salu you 368 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 4: were just hitting on is if the Giants are going 369 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 4: to turn the corner, you have to see the offensive 370 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 4: production skyrocket, especially when you look at teams like Seattle 371 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: and Miami and Buffalo are obviously able. 372 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: To put on points on the board. 373 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 4: So with respect to this offensive side of the ball, 374 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 4: and you were talking about maybe this is once again 375 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 4: an attractive matchup for the Seahawks and the Giants, but 376 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: it comes back to to be playing the trenches, and 377 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 4: I think the biggest issue has been protecting Daniel Jones. 378 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: The amount of pressure been seeing how much has that, 379 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 4: in your opinion, been the lone reason why we haven't 380 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: seen a high volume of explosive plays now, we have 381 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: not seen Daniel Jones have the ability to air it out, 382 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 4: which is what a lot of people anticipated coming into 383 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 4: the season. 384 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: Give it the speed and the weaponry that they added. 385 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big fact, there's no question about that. 386 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: You look around the National Football League, there aren't too 387 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: many teams that have coherent chemistry on their offensive lines. 388 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 3: A lot of teams have injuries, a lot of teams 389 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: just don't have the talent or the depth. I'm in 390 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: Philadelphia right now, as you know, and what has driven 391 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 3: the Eagles first three wins has not been the play 392 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: of Jalen Hurts. It hasn't had the productivity or efficiency 393 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: that you saw last year. But their offensive line is 394 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: just so superior in terms of its experience and the 395 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 3: blend of youth and experience, and then their versatility to 396 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 3: just pivot to the run game when the past game 397 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 3: is bottled up. So that's where it starts. It is 398 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: a cliche, but it is very true. I think if 399 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: they can just get some quick hitters and yards after 400 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: the catch, you know, maybe they can get something going. 401 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: But in this game, they don't really have to do that, 402 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: and they probably won't be able to do that because 403 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: Seattle plays, their safety is so deep, and this is 404 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 3: what you have to I'm sure the coaching staff has 405 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: warned Daniel about in this football game, just grind out 406 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: an early drive or two, get an early lead, and 407 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 3: then you know, get after Gino Smith and force him 408 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 3: to turn the football over. 409 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 4: So from a big picture perspective, given the fact that, 410 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 4: as you mentioned, you're in Philadelphia, and obviously you're not 411 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: just across the league following everything, but specifically honing in 412 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: on the NFC East, I would say I don't think 413 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 4: the start of the Sea in for this division has 414 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 4: been a surprise given most thought the Eagles and the 415 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 4: Cowboys had separated themselves from the rest of the pack. 416 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: But through three games, how would you best assess the 417 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: NFC East and the direction that it's gone thus far, 418 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 4: and even including a team like Washington, which I know 419 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: is coming off a bad loss of the Bills, but 420 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: perhaps could be a thorn in the side of the 421 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 4: other three teams. 422 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 3: At this point, Well, you just can see how injuries 423 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: play such a big role. You know, Washington's got major 424 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 3: problems on their offensive line. Sam Howell has been sacked 425 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: nineteen times. They come into Philadelphia now, which is no picnic. 426 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: You know that South Philly, the concrete jungle's rough, especially 427 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: for NFC East teams, So that's rough for them. I mean, 428 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: I think the Eagles have been brutalized by a tough 429 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: early schedule, but they've survived it. And you know, Washington 430 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: always plays the Eagles tough. But I still think the 431 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: Eagles win this game on Sunday, Dallas. That injury to 432 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: their corner to Trayvon Diggs, was huge, there's no question 433 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 3: about that. And then the quarterbacks turning the football over 434 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: if he goes back to that, then you know everything 435 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 3: is going to recess to the meme. So for the 436 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 3: Cowboys after their first two big wins, you know, the 437 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: Giants have to find a way to survive in advance, 438 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: and this is a good week to start. They don't 439 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 3: want to get three games down in the lost column. 440 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Plus you take it the consideration. 441 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: Seattle could very well be a team competing for a 442 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 4: wild card spot in their same boat, given how strong 443 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 4: San Francisco has gotten off. 444 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Into the early stages of the season. Yep, he is 445 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: South pal Antonio. 446 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: You could see him as the host of NFL Matchup 447 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: and on Sunday NFL Countdown, reporting from games across the league. 448 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: Sal always great, catch it up with you. 449 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 4: Greatly appreciate the time of the inside and very much 450 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 4: look forward to speaking to. 451 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: You down the road. 452 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: That was a terrific interview, Lance, Thank you very much, 453 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 3: really really enjoyed talking to you and I look forward 454 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 3: to visiting with you guys soon. 455 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: You got it, my pleasure. 456 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 4: ESPN South pal Antonio setting the stage Giant Seahawks Monday 457 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 4: Night Football. You could check out the Giants Total podcast 458 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: on Giants dot Com, the mobile app, and your favorite 459 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: podcast platforms,