Speaker 1: Dumb. Good morning, here we are again. Hello, good morning,
Speaker 1: good morning. Here we are again, bright and early, here
Speaker 1: come here. Often. I'm great at pickup lines, clearly. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so it would seem what are your top Do
Speaker 1: you have, like a top pickup line? I don't. I
Speaker 1: really don't. I'm I'm quite bad that. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: bad at flirting. You are bad at flirting, but I'm
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen you use a pickup line.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see you, like at a bar, whiskey
Speaker 1: in hand, you see a cute guy and wander over
Speaker 1: and say, hey, it would clearly be a pun of
Speaker 1: sorts I have. It would be a pun. That's as
Speaker 1: much as I know. I'd probably have to call you
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, dum, I need to pick up line.
Speaker 1: I don't know any pickup lines. I'm terrible at this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. You don't need them? Yeah, I wish,
Speaker 1: I truly do. Yeah. I was talking to Deco about
Speaker 1: this the other day and she was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if you liked me for a really long time,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I know, I'm sorry, it's just because
Speaker 1: I'm bad at that. I just can't can'rently do it.
Speaker 1: That's all right, You're happy happy figured it out and
Speaker 1: figured it out, and we figured it out. But I'm
Speaker 1: very happy that we are here. In this new episode,
Speaker 1: we're moving more deeper into the Shadow World, more and
Speaker 1: more into different sides of it. And uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: so fun going back and watching these episodes because our
Speaker 1: characters as we know them now have developed so far
Speaker 1: and these relationships are so have so much history. But
Speaker 1: you know, in these first few episodes, we're getting to
Speaker 1: meet so many new characters and enter so many new
Speaker 1: aspects of the Shadow World. It reminds me of, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the earlier iterations of these relationships and where
Speaker 1: they started. And it's it's it's a lovely trip down
Speaker 1: memory lane. To be sure, it is a lovely trip
Speaker 1: down memory lane, right you are. And it was you know,
Speaker 1: for a lot of these it was like five six
Speaker 1: years ago that we filmed them. Yeah, or was it
Speaker 1: more than that? I would have been like, it was
Speaker 1: it's like six years ago that we filmed these things,
Speaker 1: which is just wild. Yeah, it might be more because
Speaker 1: this aired in twenty which means that's what I was thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: didn't didn't six years ago? Wow? Wow, because you were
Speaker 1: nineteen correct when we started filming these? So how old
Speaker 1: are you now? It was seven years ago? We're filming
Speaker 1: these seven years ago? Wait? Am I older now than
Speaker 1: you were when we started? You were when we started filming? Yes,
Speaker 1: that's how time works. Older than you were? You were dumb?
Speaker 1: I was twenty five, I think, Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was twenty five. Yeah, you're now older than
Speaker 1: I was when we started filming. So also, um, who
Speaker 1: are we? Who are we? We have to introduce existentially?
Speaker 1: What who am I? Where's my power? Where's my spirit? Animal? Don?
Speaker 1: This is podcast? We have to remind people in case
Speaker 1: this is the first time people are tuning in, we
Speaker 1: have to run them who we are and what we're doing. Right,
Speaker 1: you are? So who are you? Welcome? I am Dominic Sherwood.
Speaker 1: I played Jason and I'm Katherine McNamara. I played Clary
Speaker 1: on Shadow Hunters, which we are here to take you
Speaker 1: back and return to the shadows like an echo. I
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to get it, but I quite
Speaker 1: like it. That's so terrible. We're a shadow of each other.
Speaker 1: We're a shadow of each other. Cat why don't you
Speaker 1: tell us what we're gonna be talking about today. We
Speaker 1: are talking about episode one oh four of Shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: called Raising Hell. It originally aired on February two, based
Speaker 1: on the books by Cassandra Claire. This episode was written
Speaker 1: by Ed Dector and Michael Reese, who became such an
Speaker 1: integral part of our show and who will talk about
Speaker 1: later in the season, because you wrote another very pivotal episode,
Speaker 1: arguably the pivotal episode trying to wear an indicative T
Speaker 1: shirt today look at that. It was also directed by
Speaker 1: Tanya McKiernan, who interestingly was not only our first female
Speaker 1: director on the show, but I bumped into her recently
Speaker 1: because she's over in the air overse directing a lot
Speaker 1: of Supergirl and those other shows. Um, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, in this industry, we bump into people
Speaker 1: again and again all the time, and and it's it's
Speaker 1: always lovely to see people who are part of the
Speaker 1: Shadow Firm out in the world doing great, fantastical things.
Speaker 1: And we get to meet a lot of new characters
Speaker 1: in this episode and you know, explore the world of
Speaker 1: the Warlocks. Do you want to tell us what this
Speaker 1: episodes about? I absolutely would love to so in this episode,
Speaker 1: Magnus Bain could be the key to all of the answers.
Speaker 1: The shadow Hunters have to put their trust in a
Speaker 1: down worlder to access Clary's memories. After getting a clue
Speaker 1: about who may have wiped Clari's memories, the crew hunts
Speaker 1: down the high Wallock of Brooklyn, the wonderful Magnus Bain
Speaker 1: played by Harry Shum Jr. Who is incomparable in this role.
Speaker 1: With all of the Warlocks hiding from Valentine, the team
Speaker 1: must lure Magnus out of hiding with something he can't refuse,
Speaker 1: a killer party and something very valuable. But with emotions
Speaker 1: running high, more may come out of the meeting with
Speaker 1: Magnus than just the retrieval of Clary's memories. Meanwhile, Simon
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be himself after his recent down world encounter. Indeed,
Speaker 1: so much to talk about, And this is something that
Speaker 1: I quite loved about the show is that they are
Speaker 1: writers were so good at the very beginning at dedicating
Speaker 1: each episode to a different aspect of the down World.
Speaker 1: So we've done the vampires and this is the Warlock episodes.
Speaker 1: So this is the worldlike episode we're coming in and
Speaker 1: we're getting to see this other realm and it it
Speaker 1: they so clearly paint the picture of how different each
Speaker 1: of these worlds are and how diverse the down world
Speaker 1: really is, and also the hierarchy of each community in
Speaker 1: each society and the way that it works because each one, yes,
Speaker 1: they all kind of exist under the clave and in
Speaker 1: this the down world, within the shadow world, there's still
Speaker 1: such a different system in each of these cultures, and
Speaker 1: it's so fascinating to get to explore and create that
Speaker 1: and see it laid out so beautifully. It's again it's
Speaker 1: I think something that comes sort of hand in hand
Speaker 1: with the concept of sort of immortality is these these
Speaker 1: races that we have, these different races have developed over
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of years sort of their ideal way
Speaker 1: of living within a system that doesn't necessarily respect them
Speaker 1: the way it should. And it's interesting that we covered
Speaker 1: so much about race, which again then was sort of
Speaker 1: reflected within the world, and it's it's interesting to sort
Speaker 1: of see how different, I guess, different avenues of culture
Speaker 1: of society have dealt with it in different ways and
Speaker 1: how we chose to deal with it within the show
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: a cool way of sort of looking into it's like
Speaker 1: an anthropological study of how these different creatures within this
Speaker 1: different world have evolved to to live and thrive and survive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was always really proud of our show in that
Speaker 1: way because we didn't shy away from those allegories. We
Speaker 1: didn't shy away from kind of and it's something I've
Speaker 1: I've seen even with h the you know, gender roles
Speaker 1: and a hierarchy in in that way when it comes
Speaker 1: to the Lightwoods in the next couple of episodes, you know,
Speaker 1: it's something that there is so much that is archaic
Speaker 1: about the Clave and about the Shadow World, and it's
Speaker 1: a very divisive world even though there is quote unquote
Speaker 1: peace and the act that you know, our show is
Speaker 1: able to create this kind of allegory. It's a huge
Speaker 1: credit to the writers, especially in totally because it's brave too.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a brave thing to take a stab at.
Speaker 1: And I've done a few shows now that that had
Speaker 1: a sort of similar concept of dealing with, or not
Speaker 1: even necessarily dealing with, because that implies that it is
Speaker 1: that it is resolved, which I didn't think it is.
Speaker 1: I think we're taking steps in the right direction, but
Speaker 1: I don't think we're it quite there. But I've don't
Speaker 1: I've been in a few shows. So Penny also dealt
Speaker 1: with race and inequality, and the upcoming Partner track does
Speaker 1: a lot of the same thing as well, and it's
Speaker 1: a it's a brave thing to do. You know, we're
Speaker 1: shining a light on something that makes people uncomfortable, that
Speaker 1: makes people uneasy, and that requires change, That requires an
Speaker 1: adaptation of how we view the world and how the
Speaker 1: world has been working if we want it to evolve
Speaker 1: into something that's moral encompassing for everybody. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with you, like you say. You know, we're proud
Speaker 1: of our writers for this, because it takes some real
Speaker 1: bulls to put your feet in the sand and say no,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're drawing a line here, and we
Speaker 1: want to shine a light on these things because we
Speaker 1: disagree with them. And I think that's really important and
Speaker 1: one of the more important things that we do with
Speaker 1: art in general. Exactly. It goes back to that old
Speaker 1: I think it's a Picasso quote. Good art should comfort
Speaker 1: that disturbed and disturb the comfort. And I love that. Wow,
Speaker 1: isn't it nice? Yeah, that's great. Something else Pocassa knows
Speaker 1: what he's doing on is depicting dreams, which is something
Speaker 1: I forgot became such a recurring theme in the show.
Speaker 1: It was so prevalent at the beginning, and we continued
Speaker 1: it throughout, as you well know, given one of your
Speaker 1: favorite scenes in season three. But we have all of
Speaker 1: these nightmares and visions and dreams that communicate a lot
Speaker 1: of things in this first season, between the Clary's portal
Speaker 1: shard and communication between her and Valentine, but also it
Speaker 1: becomes a manifestation of the Clary Jay Simon love triangle.
Speaker 1: One of the opening scenes of the episode is Clary
Speaker 1: waking up from the dream of a nightmare and this
Speaker 1: this nightmare of Valentine and seeing Simon there, and then
Speaker 1: seeing Jason there, and it's it's or sees Jason then Simon,
Speaker 1: I forget the order, but regardless, one of you morphs
Speaker 1: into the other one correct, and then we have a
Speaker 1: conversation which also ends up being a fun sort of
Speaker 1: plot hole. I think throughout the show, this is one
Speaker 1: of the ones that I was like, God, we just
Speaker 1: we just I almost arguably over used the body shifting thing,
Speaker 1: and every time it would catch us out, we have
Speaker 1: like a ruin that will make us look like somebody else,
Speaker 1: and every time we're like, how did we not see
Speaker 1: that coming? Like, of course it's somebody else. How annoying.
Speaker 1: There should be like a code word or something exactly.
Speaker 1: And I was just talking about that with someone yesterday
Speaker 1: wink wink, because it's something that comes up later on
Speaker 1: in our story, and I was talking to said person
Speaker 1: about it. But I digress. I do have a funny
Speaker 1: story about that scene, which I think will make you chuckle.
Speaker 1: Just another embarrassing clemsy cat moment. I now have kind
Speaker 1: of a not a fear, an aversion to putting on
Speaker 1: a cardigan in a scene because of this scene, because
Speaker 1: literally all I had to do in the scene was
Speaker 1: wake up, talked to Alberto for a second, throw on
Speaker 1: a card again, and run out of the room. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I swear we got
Speaker 1: to like take forty because my arm kept getting caught
Speaker 1: or the sweater would be twisted, or I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: I was just awkward about it. And uh, I think
Speaker 1: that was the first day of the episode to the
Speaker 1: first day working with Tanya, and I just I was
Speaker 1: hoping that she would not think this was indicative of
Speaker 1: the rest of my work. Yeah, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this actor is going to be the worst. How I'm
Speaker 1: going to deal with Like we have fight scenes in
Speaker 1: this and a big like stunt scene at the end, Like,
Speaker 1: how are we going to do this if she can't
Speaker 1: even put on a card again? Yeah, that's funny. It's
Speaker 1: funny that those little ones sometimes are like the bigger issues,
Speaker 1: you know, those little sort of everyday things that are
Speaker 1: more like I just had one in Partner Track actually,
Speaker 1: where we are leaving Ingrid, who is played by Arden
Speaker 1: show friend of yours, m and myself leaving an office
Speaker 1: and I'm redoing my it's all it's all in suits.
Speaker 1: You know. It's based in the law law office. So
Speaker 1: every day I would put these gorgeous suits on, and
Speaker 1: every day I would have to do up my top button.
Speaker 1: And in this scene, I'm doing up my top button.
Speaker 1: And by take three, I was like, hey, guys, we're
Speaker 1: going to need to do something else here because I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but my fingers are unable
Speaker 1: to do up this button. I think we're going to
Speaker 1: have to just lets sleeping dogs lie and and maybe
Speaker 1: can it be can it be a different button. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a button issue it's but it's
Speaker 1: funny that, you know, we trained so hard in like
Speaker 1: the fighting and the stunts, and you know, all of
Speaker 1: this crazy physical stuff that we have to do, and
Speaker 1: then it's like put on a sweater and your body
Speaker 1: goes now forgotten how to do that. That's a that's
Speaker 1: going to be a step too far for me today.
Speaker 1: Just you know, ourlines are in many places. Is speaking
Speaker 1: of minds being in many places. Though this is in
Speaker 1: this episode we get to see a lot more of
Speaker 1: a storyline from season one that I love simply because
Speaker 1: Alberto did it so brilliantly. It's what I like to
Speaker 1: call the Peter Parker Simon or the Spider Man Simon face.
Speaker 1: He's been bitten by the vampire and now he has
Speaker 1: all these strange abilities that are beginning to develop and
Speaker 1: show themselves from time to time. But we we see
Speaker 1: it in the first time. We see it as a
Speaker 1: when he decides to storm out of the institute and
Speaker 1: kind of bites it clary in a way, and it's
Speaker 1: it's such a heart wrenching scene that I didn't remember
Speaker 1: actually because as we've done so many but you see
Speaker 1: this friendship, and you see these two people who are
Speaker 1: so torn between these worlds, and Simon clearly has something
Speaker 1: else going on and is still kind of reeling from
Speaker 1: what happened at the Hotel de Moor and all of
Speaker 1: these effects. But Clary is confronted with the choice of
Speaker 1: going with Simon or staying here, and it's it's the
Speaker 1: first time where Clary stops and chooses how she refers
Speaker 1: to her people. Yeah, and I think the probably the
Speaker 1: best thing about Simon as a character is and will
Speaker 1: always be his loyalty, because you know, because that's the
Speaker 1: end of the last episode, right, that was the end
Speaker 1: of episode, at the end of the three that he
Speaker 1: stormed out of the institute. Correct, yeah, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: that's the beginning of four. That's the beginning of four.
Speaker 1: That's in this episode where he storms out. I see,
Speaker 1: So then it's not in this episode. It's in the
Speaker 1: next episode where you call him and say, now is
Speaker 1: not a good time, or he calls you and you go,
Speaker 1: now it's not a good time. I can't I can't talk,
Speaker 1: and he goes immediately is is back to what's wrong?
Speaker 1: I'm coming to get you what is and that because
Speaker 1: he's just your best friends, like he everything else, what's
Speaker 1: going on with him, his things. As soon as Clary's
Speaker 1: in trouble, he is just like I'm coming. And that's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing about Simon. It's beautiful. We should talk
Speaker 1: about some fun facts about this episode. We were just
Speaker 1: talking about the lunacy that we filmed this seven years ago,
Speaker 1: so shooting for this episode ran from June July, seven
Speaker 1: years ago we shot this, which is unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1: We actually made a point earlier. Cat is now older
Speaker 1: than I was when we shot these, which is why
Speaker 1: feel very I mean, I'm almost I'm almost the age
Speaker 1: that Didaria was when we started at this point. Wow,
Speaker 1: And I think you're almost the age that Harry was
Speaker 1: when we started. Like, that's wow. That's unbelievable. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you put it like that, huh wow, that is that
Speaker 1: is truly incredible. Another fun fact, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how to say this word, but the language that Magnus
Speaker 1: speaks while summoning the demon is Chathonian Cathonian. I don't
Speaker 1: like there's not enough vowels in the first section of
Speaker 1: this word. If you are listening to this and you
Speaker 1: know how it said, if someone could tweet us the
Speaker 1: phonetic pronunciation of see h t h O n I
Speaker 1: a Nthonian. You know, that's why it's a demon name,
Speaker 1: because it's evil and how hard it is to pronounce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why. Also we get an interesting fact speaking of
Speaker 1: demons existing in our world. This is something that we
Speaker 1: kind of stopped doing after a bit, but we find
Speaker 1: out that David Getta as a vampire in this world.
Speaker 1: That's right. We did find that out. That is fun,
Speaker 1: and we did stop doing that. And we spoke about
Speaker 1: this a couple of episodes ago that there was this
Speaker 1: whole human shadow hunter link, that there was this human
Speaker 1: world versus the shadow world link where I think we
Speaker 1: were talking about it in relation to money, right, Originally
Speaker 1: one of the scripts, the owner of a bank was
Speaker 1: a shadow hunter, and that's how we sort of develop
Speaker 1: all our financial prowess, I suppose, because I think in
Speaker 1: the movie, and I don't know if this was in
Speaker 1: the books, was it Beethoven or Mozart? One of them
Speaker 1: was a shadow one of them was a shadow hunter, Yeah, correct,
Speaker 1: Because they developed a tone like a musical tone that
Speaker 1: demons didn't like that they used to write into their music,
Speaker 1: which I thought was very cool. So this is a
Speaker 1: fun fact, and this actually happened to me recently. Also,
Speaker 1: the scratch on Simon's forehead appears to switch sides between
Speaker 1: scenes only if you don't notice that he's looking into mirrors,
Speaker 1: which is one a very cool look into the vampire ism.
Speaker 1: And to an interestingly common mistake that happens in the
Speaker 1: editing room where and I still, for the life of me,
Speaker 1: haven't really gotten the hang of this, but there's there's
Speaker 1: it's called a line when you're shooting, so, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and I still do not understand how this works, and
Speaker 1: it's still but I will do my best to explain it.
Speaker 1: So if you're shooting, and for example, the camera is
Speaker 1: looking at me here, and let's say Clary I'm talking
Speaker 1: to is camera right, which is my left hand side,
Speaker 1: to the right hand side of the camera. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking to the right hand side of the camera, and
Speaker 1: my eyeline is to the right hand side of the camera.
Speaker 1: When they turn around to film clear e side of this,
Speaker 1: the eyeline still needs to be the same because you're
Speaker 1: looking because you're reversed, she would still be looking to
Speaker 1: her right, camera left her right, or camera right her left,
Speaker 1: Which is why this starts getting the perspective of the audience.
Speaker 1: It doesn't pull you out of the story, and and
Speaker 1: it it kind of seamlessly flow. You will only really
Speaker 1: notice it when it's incorrect and you're like, oh, that
Speaker 1: person looks like they're looking to not where the other
Speaker 1: person in that scene was. But this is something that
Speaker 1: you know, dps and camera operators are very good at,
Speaker 1: and they'll say, well, we can't put the cameras there
Speaker 1: because then we'd be crossing the line. And actors are
Speaker 1: just sort of scratching their heads in the corner like
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, and they're like, come
Speaker 1: and look, and if you look at it on camera,
Speaker 1: you see like, oh, that doesn't make sense. You're right visually,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. This is also why they
Speaker 1: put fluorescent tape on a certain side of the camera,
Speaker 1: because we need our hands held through this process very much.
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes, but what I noticed is there are times
Speaker 1: in the edit room where they mess up on set
Speaker 1: and you can just flip the image which isn't yet
Speaker 1: which isn't an ideal way of doing it, but you
Speaker 1: can flip the image so it's reversed. And I noticed
Speaker 1: this in I've just recently watched a racer and I
Speaker 1: noticed that they'd flipped the image. And I noticed because
Speaker 1: I'm one of the only people that you can't do
Speaker 1: that with because my eyes. I saw an image of
Speaker 1: my eyes and I was like, huh, well that's not
Speaker 1: correct on the wrong side of me. That's really odd.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so keep an eye out for that in
Speaker 1: a racer. See if you spot it, and when it is,
Speaker 1: you are practical effects only dumb. This is what we know.
Speaker 1: No c G I for you, no c G I
Speaker 1: for me is He mentions David Ghetto, which we just
Speaker 1: spoke about. Magnus claims to have slept with Michaelangelo, which
Speaker 1: is a pretty cool claim to fame there, which I
Speaker 1: don't I don't hate that was in our story. I
Speaker 1: think that's pretty neat. I think it's great. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if Magnus is going to be around for centuries, he
Speaker 1: might as well live it up. Why not, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He's handsome, he's talented, he can move
Speaker 1: like a damn god. Literally, why not why not. This
Speaker 1: was Cassie's first ever set visit was during these episodes,
Speaker 1: which I remember her coming, and I don't remember what
Speaker 1: we were filming. I remember Matt and I were on
Speaker 1: fairly stringent diets, and I think everyone was unfairly stringent
Speaker 1: diets for our fitness and for our training. We were
Speaker 1: all trying to be so healthy, so healthy. But I
Speaker 1: remember Cassie and we were talking to Cassie, Matt and
Speaker 1: I and we were eating just these salads that were
Speaker 1: so unentertaining, as grilled chicken breast with nothing on it
Speaker 1: and just leaves, and that was sort of our diet
Speaker 1: for most of season one. I think I remember that.
Speaker 1: That and coffee, and that kind of got us through.
Speaker 1: I still did drinking coffee because of the show and
Speaker 1: because actually an episode five, when we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: next episode. But oh my gosh, yeah, I made it
Speaker 1: through university. I made it through everything without drinking coffee
Speaker 1: until episode five of the series. And then it all
Speaker 1: says get a bit much, especially because we started doing
Speaker 1: When did we start doing like press stuff for this
Speaker 1: It would have been around episode five, episode six, right
Speaker 1: where we started doing like the press shoots and we
Speaker 1: started doing interviews and e p K, which again another
Speaker 1: sort of behind the scenes term. For anyone who doesn't
Speaker 1: know what ePK is, it's called electronic press kit. And
Speaker 1: if you ever saw an interview of us where we're
Speaker 1: in costume or where we have our roouns, or where
Speaker 1: it looks like we're a makeup or we're on a set,
Speaker 1: that was done with an electronic press kit, where they
Speaker 1: send a press team to your set with a microphone,
Speaker 1: a lighting setup and a camera and a camera team
Speaker 1: and a sound team. You know, its own little sort
Speaker 1: of production there, and whenever they can grab you from set,
Speaker 1: they run over and they grab you and start doing
Speaker 1: some behind the scenes stuff whilst we are working. And
Speaker 1: that's what you asking questions. Playing games, all the fun stuff,
Speaker 1: all the fun stuff you see behind the things. But
Speaker 1: speaking of fun stuff, as we get into Peter Parker Simon,
Speaker 1: we start to get to see all these different symptoms,
Speaker 1: whether that's anger or a snap temper or intense hunger,
Speaker 1: and these these bursts of strength and agility that are
Speaker 1: starting to put a strain on his relationships, whether it
Speaker 1: be with Maureen or his mom or Clary, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's a really nice bit of foreshadowing, but gives
Speaker 1: Simon kind of an arc of his own for the
Speaker 1: first time that's separate from Clary and separate from this triangle,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just really nice to get to see
Speaker 1: Alberto shine in that way. Totally. Yeah, it for him
Speaker 1: to have the ability to be Simon on his own,
Speaker 1: not Simon and Clary. Yeah, we are a package deal
Speaker 1: and always will be. But he's got to go do
Speaker 1: his superhero thing. And speaking of everyone's own thing, we
Speaker 1: it's actually Simon and his conversation with Camille that gives
Speaker 1: us our next lead. It is very much because Camille
Speaker 1: lets it slip about Magnus Spain and how he's the
Speaker 1: one who took Clary's memories or could be the one
Speaker 1: who took Clary's memories, and then as a team we
Speaker 1: decide that, all right, well, let's track the one and
Speaker 1: only Magnus Spain. This is a very Magnus heavy episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. Also, this is our first time, or one
Speaker 1: of our first times, that we get to see the
Speaker 1: war table where all of us are around the table
Speaker 1: talking about the mission, which becomes a very standard thing,
Speaker 1: and we get a new war table in the Future,
Speaker 1: which is a peoably one of my favorite set pieces,
Speaker 1: but this one, it's still kind of that old table
Speaker 1: probably from the movie, and we're sitting around and that's
Speaker 1: when David Ketty gets brought up in all of this.
Speaker 1: But we also see all of these photos of Magnus
Speaker 1: through the centuries, in different time periods, in different parts
Speaker 1: of history that you can just tell Harry had so
Speaker 1: much fun. Course, yeah, of course, you know, you got
Speaker 1: to do his own little sort of period drama for
Speaker 1: a second there, which was in like eight different periods,
Speaker 1: which is very cool, and you really get to hear
Speaker 1: more about magnus hedonism and his life, but also his
Speaker 1: self preservation and how powerful he is. So he's really
Speaker 1: set up as we don't know if he's a good
Speaker 1: guy or a bad guy. We don't know if he's
Speaker 1: going to help us or not, but we know he
Speaker 1: could potentially be the next key. Yes. Absolutely. We also
Speaker 1: get our first Malick connection, our first direct that's this episode.
Speaker 1: It is comes in a bit later, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we get to see them lock eyes for the first
Speaker 1: time and give pause to the romanticized love at first
Speaker 1: sight kind of deal, which I don't know if necessarily
Speaker 1: that's what it was. It's an interesting one, this relationship,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if it was necessarily love at
Speaker 1: first sight, or if it was something that Magnus recognized
Speaker 1: very potentially because of his advanced years, recognized this uncomfortablelitty
Speaker 1: in a young, struggling gay man who hadn't figured out
Speaker 1: his sort of place in the world yet. And I
Speaker 1: wonder how much of that relationship. And it would be
Speaker 1: interesting to talk to the boys about this, you know,
Speaker 1: later on, But I wonder how much of it was
Speaker 1: just this this instant attraction versus how much of it
Speaker 1: was Magnus thinking, Oh, I've been you. I've been this
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't understand how the world works around me,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's no place for me in
Speaker 1: the world. And and I want to hold jo Hanne
Speaker 1: through this. I want to help you through this. And
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of it was just the instant
Speaker 1: reaction of attraction versus them falling for each other whilst
Speaker 1: helping each other through his sort of his evolution into
Speaker 1: the man that he is and the man that we
Speaker 1: all love. I agree, I think I think there is
Speaker 1: a bit of that. I think there's also quite a
Speaker 1: bit of intrigue at first sight, if nothing else, and
Speaker 1: there's a there's a spark, and there's a connection in
Speaker 1: the same way that Clarie and Jason have that spark
Speaker 1: in that connection because again Alec being a shadow Hunter,
Speaker 1: he only falls in love once, only fool and love wants.
Speaker 1: It's interesting they don't say with who wants doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be with the shadow Hunter, clearly, even despite what
Speaker 1: the shadow Hunters might think. Correct, Yeah, especially at this point.
Speaker 1: So that's it's it is interesting to watch that develop.
Speaker 1: But now I'm trying to remember what happens. We get
Speaker 1: ready to go on the mission, so we get the necklace,
Speaker 1: which is kind of our key to the Ruby, the
Speaker 1: demon Ruby. The Ruby necklace are more the more necklace
Speaker 1: the beautiful gift that ends up waited. Oh no. We
Speaker 1: find out at the war table that Magnus and Camille
Speaker 1: will wants lovers, yes, which is interesting as well, which
Speaker 1: again you're right, you know, we never really thought about this,
Speaker 1: or I didn't think about this when we were filming,
Speaker 1: because we knew who they were and who they were
Speaker 1: going to become in the story. But there is a
Speaker 1: lot of pretense to Magnus potentially being a bad guy
Speaker 1: in this It's there's a lot of like layers that
Speaker 1: are left up of mistrust from him and reasons that
Speaker 1: we should mistrust him and sort of you know, Shenanigan's
Speaker 1: from his part where or like interesting, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're a person that we can trust immediately. And
Speaker 1: obviously fans of the book and fans of the movie
Speaker 1: know where this story goes, but I wonder it would
Speaker 1: be interesting again if you were new to these stories
Speaker 1: via the show. Let us know, tweeters, and let us
Speaker 1: know if you knew instantly that Magnus was going to
Speaker 1: be a good guy, or if you had a mistrust
Speaker 1: of him as well because of all these layers of
Speaker 1: story that we added on top of him. Let us know,
Speaker 1: tweet as absolutely. And it's it's interesting because in the
Speaker 1: it's very similar, as you mentioned to the way that
Speaker 1: Luke and Alaric are represented, particularly in this episode, because
Speaker 1: everybody is saying, we need we want Clary because we
Speaker 1: want the cup, so we have to find Clary. We
Speaker 1: have to get her so we can get the cup.
Speaker 1: And you even see that at the very beginning when
Speaker 1: you see Magnus in his apartment with all the other
Speaker 1: Warlocks before we even go find him. You see Magnus going.
Speaker 1: They're talking about Clary and the cup and Valentine and
Speaker 1: how we have to get it before Valentine does. We
Speaker 1: have to get Clary to us, we have to get
Speaker 1: her away from the shadow Hunters, and it becomes this
Speaker 1: kind of hunt for Clary to get the cup on
Speaker 1: all parts, and you never really know in what frame
Speaker 1: friend or foe that they're choosing to pursue totally. And
Speaker 1: that's sort of the big thing, isn't It is the
Speaker 1: divide of who is willing to do Clary harm to
Speaker 1: get this cup and who is unwilling to do Clary
Speaker 1: harm to do this cup, And that sort of ends
Speaker 1: up being our derisive good guys versus bad guys, Like
Speaker 1: if we are unwilling to hurt Clary in the hunt
Speaker 1: for this mythical item that can change the face of
Speaker 1: our world forever, then you're a good guy. If you
Speaker 1: are willing to hurt her, then you're a bad guy.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Oh I do. And speaking
Speaker 1: of good guys and bad guys and everything in between,
Speaker 1: this is the episode where things started to get a
Speaker 1: little squirrelly, because I remember, this is when I really
Speaker 1: got to see your pranks in full force. I think
Speaker 1: you and Alberto had started. What was the first one.
Speaker 1: The first one was remember the scene when your bedroom
Speaker 1: was also the training room and you were, oh, I
Speaker 1: do remember this, and I hid behind the door, yeah
Speaker 1: and you. All I had to do was come in
Speaker 1: the room and have a conversation, and the director goes, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just do one more take, and I went, okay, I
Speaker 1: left and I came back here. I asked, I asked
Speaker 1: for it. I asked for it. I looked into camera
Speaker 1: and I went to do one more, Just do one
Speaker 1: more cats. Jumping cats are jumpy kid and is an
Speaker 1: easy one to scare. Later on, you got your own
Speaker 1: back in full force, which full respect to you for that,
Speaker 1: but thank you, thank you. Yeah, there was just an opportunity.
Speaker 1: You know, by these sort of middle of the season episodes,
Speaker 1: we have reached this level of comfortability with each other
Speaker 1: where it's like we got what we needed on camera
Speaker 1: like that, we're happy to move on now and move
Speaker 1: to the next scene, and we're like, fuck it, let's
Speaker 1: start toying with each other, Like we're getting so close
Speaker 1: at this point that you know, and and these days
Speaker 1: are they are quite hard work. And as I think,
Speaker 1: every now and then, it's as important to make everyone
Speaker 1: laugh as it is to power on for it to
Speaker 1: be work, work, work, work work. I think it is
Speaker 1: important to elevate the mood in these things every now
Speaker 1: and then. And I had the camera team say that
Speaker 1: to me once. That actually might have been this episode
Speaker 1: also where it was late and we were there was
Speaker 1: we were all in. It is in this episode for sure.
Speaker 1: It's right when we're about to go and summon the
Speaker 1: memory demon. It's all of us in in Magnus apartments,
Speaker 1: right after he shifted the apartment somewhere else because the
Speaker 1: circle found him. And I remember, we're all there, and
Speaker 1: we're all in these marks, and I think they were
Speaker 1: filming Harry at the time. And I looked down and
Speaker 1: I'm not stood on my mark. And I was like, oh, ship, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not on my mark. Let me step
Speaker 1: on my mark. And everyone behind the scenes started laughing
Speaker 1: at me, and I was like, why what's going on here?
Speaker 1: And he was like, you're off camera, dude, No, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you're stood. And I was like a ship.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. You shouldn't have ruin that take. I
Speaker 1: was just I was worried that I was stood in
Speaker 1: the wrong place, and I don't want, you know, Harry
Speaker 1: to do his best work and then for them to go, sorry,
Speaker 1: we have to do it again. Don was stood directly
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. And you know, we need
Speaker 1: that times. You need a little laugh sometimes because it's
Speaker 1: it's hard work is not necessarily the right word, I
Speaker 1: don't think, because we all enjoy it, so it's of
Speaker 1: course it's it's it takes a lot of entertain staking
Speaker 1: at time. It does. Yeah, it takes a lot of energy,
Speaker 1: and we all love doing it. But it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's arduous at times. It can be an arduous task, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and there are long hours and yeah, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think every now and then to break that up
Speaker 1: with like something silly just reinvigorates everything, gives her on
Speaker 1: a little more energy, which is why things like blue
Speaker 1: Perrios are so important. Yeah, and when we're all dealing
Speaker 1: with life or death steaks or you know, doom and
Speaker 1: gloom and missing moms and evil dads and turning into
Speaker 1: a vampire, sometimes you just need to be a little
Speaker 1: silly and break the tension. Yeah, I completely agree. So
Speaker 1: now we are at speaking of needing some levity and
Speaker 1: a bit of a chuckle. We have the down World
Speaker 1: Rave coming up next, which is again we're back at
Speaker 1: hard Tale, but now instead of Vampire Night, it is
Speaker 1: Warlock Night, and so we have all manner of warlocks around.
Speaker 1: And this is something else too that kind of goes
Speaker 1: into the warlock lore. We we talk about the concept
Speaker 1: of a warlock mark, because warlocks are half demon half
Speaker 1: human in this world and that has a like a
Speaker 1: physical manifestation in a warlock mark. So they'll either have
Speaker 1: horns or gills or cat eyes as Magnus does, or
Speaker 1: some kind of marking in a sense that's usually an
Speaker 1: animal feature of some some sort that identifies them as
Speaker 1: a warlock. And for people who hunt warlocks, that can
Speaker 1: become sort of a prize. It's a trophy in a sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is very dark and something when we get into
Speaker 1: a little bit in this episode. Something else we get
Speaker 1: into in this episode that I noticed when I was
Speaker 1: watching back. We had so much fun with makeup in
Speaker 1: this episode, the ship with the Warlocks. It was very
Speaker 1: a lot of very identifiably makeup trends with every color
Speaker 1: of glitter and different placement around the eyes. I was
Speaker 1: I was noticing watching between Magnus, myself and Isabelle. We
Speaker 1: had a lot of glitter going on. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of glitter. It was a lot of glitter. Who was
Speaker 1: our I feel terrible that I don't remember this. Who's
Speaker 1: our special effects on makeup on season one? Was it Randy?
Speaker 1: And Randy was Randy Right who ended up being our
Speaker 1: key makeup person makeup for season two. But it was
Speaker 1: Randy Right, and he's very, very good at that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. Cool when we're in the hard Tale and
Speaker 1: I want to give thanks to all of these guys.
Speaker 1: So this was This was one of the bigger days
Speaker 1: where there is motion happening. And as we mentioned in
Speaker 1: the last episode, my left ankle at this point is
Speaker 1: just a mess, like it's a real So I would
Speaker 1: get to work and I have these boots on. They're
Speaker 1: actually gorgeous John Varvados boots. I still have them. No,
Speaker 1: I don't didn't take them from set. They were given
Speaker 1: to me. They were given to me, these boots. But
Speaker 1: I would get set and the medic would you know,
Speaker 1: obviously I can't wear the boot, the air boot that
Speaker 1: I was supposed to wear to keep my ankles sort
Speaker 1: of in place. So I get set and they would
Speaker 1: wrap up my ankle as tightly as they could with
Speaker 1: with you know, layers and layers and layers of sort
Speaker 1: of tensor bandage, and then squeeze my boot onto it
Speaker 1: and just make sure it was sort of as tight
Speaker 1: as it could so I couldn't do anything. And I
Speaker 1: want to give us special thanks in this episode to
Speaker 1: the background artists, the supporting artist, the extras, because I
Speaker 1: was on crutches and I had to crutch my way
Speaker 1: in and crush my way out, and someone had to
Speaker 1: walk those two me and they were really conscientious of
Speaker 1: the fact that I was in a lot of pain
Speaker 1: and they made a walkway for me to get through,
Speaker 1: and when the crutches need to come in, they would
Speaker 1: pass them over to me and they I want to
Speaker 1: make a special nod to those guys in this episode
Speaker 1: because they really did go above and beyond sort of
Speaker 1: help me out, which was really nice. That's really wonderful,
Speaker 1: and that it really does speak to the community of
Speaker 1: everyone who worked on the shell because we had lot
Speaker 1: of the same people come back over and over again
Speaker 1: for years to play the different characters and sort of
Speaker 1: recognizable faces in these worlds that we kept visiting over
Speaker 1: and over again. And it's it's nice when you do
Speaker 1: see familiar faces and you can, you know, work together
Speaker 1: with every department. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of working together does
Speaker 1: not go very well for this meeting, because not only
Speaker 1: does Magnus take the necklace, he tries to take one chip, yeah,
Speaker 1: tries to take Clary with him, and also goes, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't have your memories. I fed
Speaker 1: them to a demon. Thanks Mama, Thanks Magnus. Come on,
Speaker 1: Bud for safe keeping. We meet that demon. He sucks.
Speaker 1: Although if you think about it, though, it does speak
Speaker 1: to sort of magnus self protection because if he was
Speaker 1: captured by Valentine and tortured, you know, it makes our
Speaker 1: big bad even worse and sort of more dangerous. Knowing
Speaker 1: that that's in fact, we see him get tortured later
Speaker 1: on in the show, do we not? We do, but
Speaker 1: he has a little bit more steaks and more incentive
Speaker 1: to to stay loyal to us. Season three, If you
Speaker 1: know what I mean's true, that's very true. That's what
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, um, you're right, And this is actually
Speaker 1: this is the first episode we meet a greater demon.
Speaker 1: This is the first time we see something that is
Speaker 1: non non humanoid. All of our demons so far have
Speaker 1: been sort of quasi human, as we know because we
Speaker 1: put a human in a suit for all of them,
Speaker 1: so it was these have all been human. This was
Speaker 1: the first time that we had this is full imagination.
Speaker 1: You've got to just completely make up what this thing
Speaker 1: looks like. And we had to have the conversation of what,
Speaker 1: you know, what is this thing? And it looked like
Speaker 1: because on the day, I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 1: but it was this like plastic colored like film that
Speaker 1: was rotating and wind tunnels and that was it. That
Speaker 1: was wind turbines and this spinning light rig in front
Speaker 1: of us, and that was our demon Windy. Why are Tornado?
Speaker 1: We demon? Something else that comes in with a gale
Speaker 1: force wind is the chemistry of Malick, and we get
Speaker 1: to see that for the first time when we're at
Speaker 1: heart Tail, because you see a circle member come in
Speaker 1: to try and attack either Magnus or Clary or Jace.
Speaker 1: We don't really know he's coming to kill someone. As
Speaker 1: Circle members some of us. They are not good guys,
Speaker 1: the Circle members, you know, they just want they just
Speaker 1: want destruction. And in flies an arrow right to its mark.
Speaker 1: We all turn our heads and up on the stairs
Speaker 1: and a cloud of badass, beautiful smoke is Alex and
Speaker 1: Magnus utters the line, who are you in the most
Speaker 1: magnets way? So good? Another line in this scene that
Speaker 1: I got a kick out of. Right before or Magnus disappears.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of in the books, a lot of
Speaker 1: talk of how much Simon and Clary love Star Wars
Speaker 1: and Dungeon dragons and all these other things. And right
Speaker 1: before Magnus disappears into the portal, Clary grabs his frist
Speaker 1: and goes, Magnus, no, you're my only hope. Very good,
Speaker 1: very good. Lay a moment. That's great. We have a
Speaker 1: few of those parallels in this story. No, there's no
Speaker 1: parallels whatsoever. One or two. Yeah, I think we've already
Speaker 1: called the Clary Valentine thing, similar to the Vada Luke deal.
Speaker 1: And then there's the other one that comes up in
Speaker 1: a couple of episodes that's pretty big too. Little bit
Speaker 1: kind of gets in our way from time to time. Yeah, yeah, ye,
Speaker 1: but then we have a bit more levity out of
Speaker 1: tragedy in a way, because we get Magnus's button, we
Speaker 1: can't find him. Clary and the team goes outside. Clarie
Speaker 1: and Alec are yelling at each other because Alex says, see,
Speaker 1: she's rights little girl. Clary's you know, lost, her best
Speaker 1: friend is gone, her mom is gone. Everyone she knows
Speaker 1: and loves has betrayed her. And now the shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: are talking about tossing her to the curb as well.
Speaker 1: It's sort of this all is lost, And this is
Speaker 1: when we really get to start seeing how powerful Paraba
Speaker 1: are because you you have to use Magnus's button to
Speaker 1: track him. Do you want to tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about Parabtite tracking down? Oh? God, you want a day?
Speaker 1: What a day? So Matt and I are very good
Speaker 1: and very professional all up until we're not. And this
Speaker 1: was just one of those days. It was cold, it
Speaker 1: was late, and I got to stare into those gorgeous
Speaker 1: eyes and they just made us giggle. It just and
Speaker 1: the thing is, it's I you know, everyone's been through this.
Speaker 1: Once you start giggling, that's it. You're giggling. You are
Speaker 1: your It's in your body, it's in your bones. You
Speaker 1: have been tickled and you are going to laugh. And
Speaker 1: we really only had to hold it for this shot
Speaker 1: for about about ten seconds probably, and that was too
Speaker 1: much for us. It was too much of a task
Speaker 1: for us. We couldn't do it. And Emerald was getting
Speaker 1: piste because she's in her in her going out dress
Speaker 1: and it was it was cold, so I understand why
Speaker 1: she was getting pissed, but it was also like, dude,
Speaker 1: we're trying, like this isn't you know. She was sort
Speaker 1: of yelling at us and We're like, it's cool. We
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry, and I understand that it's cold,
Speaker 1: but this isn't is not really something I haven't in
Speaker 1: control over in this moment. You know, I'm I'm doing
Speaker 1: my best. We want to go inside as well, and
Speaker 1: it was Yeah, that was Matt and I's first real
Speaker 1: foray into like oh this isn't good. We're in real
Speaker 1: trouble here. And you if you for those who haven't,
Speaker 1: should check them out because they are quite good fun.
Speaker 1: But you can see Matt and I do this in
Speaker 1: the bloopers. If you go and look up the bloopers
Speaker 1: on YouTube, there's one particular instance where we fall into
Speaker 1: the laughing hole and you just can't get out. Once
Speaker 1: you're in there, you can't get out. We may be
Speaker 1: able to talk about this soon as well, with something
Speaker 1: it's so into staying, because it's something that I think
Speaker 1: we all learned very quickly, especially between you, me and
Speaker 1: Matt and Alberto. When one of us goes, all of
Speaker 1: us go, it's bad. It's really bad. It's and you
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't even need to go as well, which
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned this. I the corner of my
Speaker 1: lip goes first that and there's like a sparkle in
Speaker 1: your eye and you just kind of it's true. You
Speaker 1: get you get this little like mischievous twinkle and we
Speaker 1: just go, oh no, oh no, Alberto has it to
Speaker 1: Alberto is very good. Matt's out eyebrow does twitch. And
Speaker 1: that was because you know, you learned to read the
Speaker 1: signs that like, oh, it's on the way. And sometimes
Speaker 1: the sign is enough to send the other person off,
Speaker 1: and you're like ship because it's a you know, it's
Speaker 1: like a pokeatel like you're like you read it and
Speaker 1: it can be such a subtle motion and then one
Speaker 1: sets off the other and Alberto is the only one
Speaker 1: who's very good at just like in character turning his
Speaker 1: head away. But that then is his tell, so that
Speaker 1: makes me laugh. I'm like, oh, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: So it always looks like I'm the one who has
Speaker 1: broken first because Alberto turns his face away from camera.
Speaker 1: So he's like, oh, look Alberto being this very professional actor,
Speaker 1: and I'm like tears rolling down my face laughing. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: Alberto went first. You just didn't see it this time.
Speaker 1: But this this was Alberto's fault. Alberto's fault. Oh, deary, deary, deary,
Speaker 1: there you go. Well, there you have it. But once
Speaker 1: we get through that moment, then we're back on our
Speaker 1: way and we have to go find Magnus is Layer
Speaker 1: because now we know where he is. Interestingly, I forgot
Speaker 1: that the I guess I didn't even realize that at
Speaker 1: the time because I was still learning the sound stage.
Speaker 1: But the place where we creep in and we sort
Speaker 1: of see the chain link fence and the guy gets
Speaker 1: thrown off and you throw the dagger and all the
Speaker 1: our first the first time we see Clary fight with
Speaker 1: the team with a sword and actually, you know, throw
Speaker 1: some moves. It was where our sets were built in
Speaker 1: the back of the sound stage because you see the
Speaker 1: table saw and you see all the wood and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was our woodworking stage, which I didn't realize until
Speaker 1: I watched it back and recognize the space from from
Speaker 1: the Future again. You know, we should give that. We
Speaker 1: should give them a real nod there as well, because
Speaker 1: we had a whole department that built things. So you know,
Speaker 1: they would write something into an episode, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: you know, some location or studio. And a good example
Speaker 1: of that is in the next episode the fair Folk
Speaker 1: when they're in Mourning and they had to build Mellion
Speaker 1: Jade's butterfly rig and and this that and the other.
Speaker 1: They you know, they get the scripts and we get
Speaker 1: the scripts and they go, oh, we have a new
Speaker 1: thing to build. We've got to build that in three
Speaker 1: days because we're shooting it first up. And they would
Speaker 1: they would just build whatever it was. You know, all
Speaker 1: of the sets that we had in that sound stage,
Speaker 1: in that studio were handcrafted by those teams. So even
Speaker 1: things like you know the shadow Hunter vaults that you
Speaker 1: ruin open and that's where we get the necklace from,
Speaker 1: and this that and the other and where bits and
Speaker 1: mobs get hidden. They were practical. They were built. Our
Speaker 1: teams built them. They built these things that work and
Speaker 1: come up and the doors open and all this. You know,
Speaker 1: they built those and that's really incredible. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that I wish i'd done that I didn't
Speaker 1: do is film our reactions the first day we walk
Speaker 1: onto the institute set. We've read about it. We know
Speaker 1: vaguely what it is, but you don't know the layout.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you know. We know there are computers,
Speaker 1: we know there's a war table, we know there's a
Speaker 1: training area, but we don't know what they're going to
Speaker 1: look like. We know the swords are going to come
Speaker 1: out of the wall at some point, but we don't
Speaker 1: know how they're going to come out of the wall.
Speaker 1: And then we get to see it for the first time,
Speaker 1: and it's really like, oh my god, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It's such an incredible achievement. Yeah, we had a fully functioning,
Speaker 1: basically house with three bedrooms and offices and walkways in
Speaker 1: the war room and the entrance and everything else. And
Speaker 1: it was it was right after the first table rate
Speaker 1: Mike Jee and Ed took us in for the first time,
Speaker 1: and I I remember all of us were speechless because
Speaker 1: we've read so much, and we've seen so much and
Speaker 1: talked so much, and here it was, you said. I
Speaker 1: used to always creep into the production offer us into
Speaker 1: the art department where all of the sketches of the
Speaker 1: sets would be, and kind of get a sneak peek
Speaker 1: at what they were looking at building and then you
Speaker 1: see it built for the first time. It's it's like
Speaker 1: magic of our own because we had such an incredible team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember. I actually I remember not shadowings as related
Speaker 1: when I did Vampire Academy all those years ago now,
Speaker 1: which Vampire Academy must have been almost ten years ago
Speaker 1: for me, which is wild, maybe even more than ten
Speaker 1: years ago. I remember Danny Waters and Mark Waters, the
Speaker 1: writer director team, because again, you know, same thing. We'd
Speaker 1: read the scripts and read them a hundred times through
Speaker 1: auditioning and then read them through table reads and rehearsals
Speaker 1: and whatever. And I remember walking onto our sound stage
Speaker 1: at pine With Studios in London, which was its own
Speaker 1: magic in itself because it's you know, it's the place
Speaker 1: in London, it's Pinewid Studios, it's the big studio, and
Speaker 1: I remember Danny and Mark coming up to me and saying,
Speaker 1: do you want to see the attic for the first time?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, um, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: place where my character Christian sort of hangs out on
Speaker 1: his own whatever it's you. I didn't really know what
Speaker 1: to expect, because this is my first sort of foray
Speaker 1: into like big studio built sets. And I remember seeing
Speaker 1: for the first time that someone had built exactly what
Speaker 1: was written on the pages, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: the most incredible thing. I thought it was so because
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was expecting. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I was expecting it to be you know, in
Speaker 1: parts or in bits or just you know, a screen
Speaker 1: or I don't know what I was expecting. But it
Speaker 1: was not a fully built, fully functioning attic in this
Speaker 1: sort of castle, and it was the same thing we
Speaker 1: should hunters. I don't know exactly what I was expecting.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting the institute to walk into the institute.
Speaker 1: That's not what I was expecting, which was incredible. It
Speaker 1: is because these spaces. We spend more time on these
Speaker 1: sets than we do in our own apartments, you know,
Speaker 1: and it becomes our home and it becomes our space,
Speaker 1: and it's to have a space that is so immersive
Speaker 1: and so as you said, fully functioning, where there's little
Speaker 1: things we can play with in little places we sit
Speaker 1: that become our spot, or something we mess with on
Speaker 1: the table every time, or or a drawer that we
Speaker 1: keep a certain set piece in, or you know, all
Speaker 1: of these things that become our bedroom, our space, our office,
Speaker 1: our war room, the places that our characters can really
Speaker 1: take ownership of Simon's boat basically, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: Jade Wolf, all of these things, and it's it's it
Speaker 1: really does allow us to play and kind of lose
Speaker 1: ourselves in this way. It makes a huge difference. You know,
Speaker 1: probably middle of season two, we ended up with a
Speaker 1: green screen stage as well, which, again for those who
Speaker 1: don't know, I think we discussed this briefly in an
Speaker 1: earlier episode, but a green screen um is something they'll
Speaker 1: put behind you and they can basically edit whatever background
Speaker 1: in they want, And we ended up with a three
Speaker 1: sixty degree full green screen stage, so they could put
Speaker 1: us basically in any world that they wanted to put
Speaker 1: us in. And it was my least favorite of all
Speaker 1: of the stages because we're reacting to just a green curtain,
Speaker 1: whereas these others set and there's nothing to be done
Speaker 1: about it. It's incredible what they can do. It take
Speaker 1: knowlogy and there are times when green screen is just
Speaker 1: what we need to use. But it is my least
Speaker 1: favorite of the ones that we had because you're not
Speaker 1: immersed in that world. You do have to imagine, you
Speaker 1: do have to do it with your head versus you know.
Speaker 1: There's a decker and I were watching I think of
Speaker 1: SO five yesterday and there's a scene in it I
Speaker 1: think where oh, it's the Portal Shard. It's when he
Speaker 1: we find out that the portal shard is a portal
Speaker 1: shard and he puts it in the safe um. And
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this in the next episode. But the
Speaker 1: I don't Jason doesn't really say very much in this
Speaker 1: scene is very much Clarie and Alec. So I just
Speaker 1: grabbed a spear and I'm like playing with a spear
Speaker 1: in the background, which is you know, it makes sense
Speaker 1: for Jason is something you would do, is a little
Speaker 1: sort of a d h D and is drawn to weapons.
Speaker 1: But the ability to do that because it was just
Speaker 1: there is fantastic is a really easy thing. It's not
Speaker 1: something you have to think about. It's just you walk
Speaker 1: in as Jason. Jason is just like oh and grabs
Speaker 1: it and starts playing, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: incredible stuff, an incredible stuff. A lot of recurring themes
Speaker 1: on the show, but something that they give us a
Speaker 1: lot of choices which is great, and a lot of options.
Speaker 1: Speaking of choices and options, very clever. I just saw
Speaker 1: that on my brief as well. That's very clever, well done,
Speaker 1: very well done. So this line really stuck at me.
Speaker 1: There's so after they get they saved the Warlocks from
Speaker 1: you know, the Circle Members attacking, which there's something in
Speaker 1: that we have to talk about because there's a special
Speaker 1: Malik moment which will discuss momentarily in that Warlock battle.
Speaker 1: But afterwards, Magnus pulls Clary aside and and thanks her
Speaker 1: for saving the little girl. There's a little Warlock girl
Speaker 1: that Clary saved from Circle member and he says, you
Speaker 1: always have a choice, Clary, and it it really speaks
Speaker 1: to as we were talking about a little bit last
Speaker 1: episode with Raphael and his choice to let Simon go
Speaker 1: and to show us the way out over and over again,
Speaker 1: you find there in this world there are such sort
Speaker 1: of striations and divisions between these communities, and the law
Speaker 1: is the law of the shadow Hunters and all of
Speaker 1: these things that you're supposed to do. And it's this
Speaker 1: generation of characters, particularly Clary at first, because she is
Speaker 1: the one who has the outside perspective, and she is
Speaker 1: the one who wasn't raised with these rules and these
Speaker 1: sort of lines to stay between in the shadow world.
Speaker 1: She does have a choice and and you know, her
Speaker 1: presence starts to shift these perspectives in the communities because
Speaker 1: she doesn't have the stigmas and the traditions and everything
Speaker 1: ingrained in her, and so she sort of starts questioning
Speaker 1: the status quo, which then the rest of the team
Speaker 1: kind of tends to to do the same as we
Speaker 1: continue in this story. Totally, this now moves us fairly
Speaker 1: neatly to our big finale. Absolutely, and before we get
Speaker 1: to that, we have to talk about one of my
Speaker 1: favorite conversations that happens in this episode, which is Magnus
Speaker 1: is fighting the Circle member and circling him, and he's
Speaker 1: you know, taunting him, saying, I'm gonna stee your cat.
Speaker 1: Eis as a trophy, and then suddenly you have Magnus.
Speaker 1: Alex swoops in. You have Magnus and Alec together killing
Speaker 1: the circle member, and suddenly they turned to each other
Speaker 1: and we have the interaction for the first time, which
Speaker 1: is it's so indicative with well done, and he says
Speaker 1: more like medium rare, and then they move into the
Speaker 1: conversation with each other a bit of better. And what
Speaker 1: I love about it is, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: because I'm used to seeing Alec this way, or I'm
Speaker 1: used to seeing Matt this way, being so precise and
Speaker 1: sure footed and knowing exactly what he's doing, and you
Speaker 1: just see Alec in this lovely sense of completely kind
Speaker 1: of off kilter, and he's he's just offset a little
Speaker 1: bit and thrown off his feet by Magnus, who is
Speaker 1: this kind of great, grandiose, sure presence, and neither is
Speaker 1: really sure why, but they both find it quite charming.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, yeah, really fun, really fun, and
Speaker 1: they both do such a good job. We have so
Speaker 1: much to talk to them about to get them on
Speaker 1: the show. I can't either. It's going to be super exciting.
Speaker 1: But I always give them such huge credit because they
Speaker 1: took so much care to speak with the writers and
Speaker 1: to sort of analyze every moment in this relationship to
Speaker 1: make sure it was because you know, it is such
Speaker 1: an iconic one from the books, they wanted to make
Speaker 1: it as real as possible and develop it in the
Speaker 1: most nuanced of ways. Well. And also it's are you know,
Speaker 1: with an lgbt Q plus positive show, and this is
Speaker 1: our foray into that and they both took that responsibility
Speaker 1: so seriously. They took such care and such you know,
Speaker 1: it was like their baby. It was there, it was
Speaker 1: this is our you know, this is our way of
Speaker 1: welcoming that community into our world and saying you have
Speaker 1: a safe place with us, and we want you to
Speaker 1: be on this journey with us, and we want to
Speaker 1: learn and grow and evolve with you. And they did,
Speaker 1: you know, credit to Matt and Harry entirely because they
Speaker 1: did take such care and such time, and they may
Speaker 1: sure that they made the correct choices and that this
Speaker 1: this baby was nurtured and they did such an astoundingly
Speaker 1: amazing job. And I think I know I can speak
Speaker 1: for cap In in this one, and I'm not talking
Speaker 1: out of turn that we're incredibly proud of them incredibly
Speaker 1: proud of Matt and Harry, Magnus and Alec and what
Speaker 1: the show did. There's a reason they are so beloved,
Speaker 1: both in person and in character. So let's move on
Speaker 1: to our our big finale, a big, greater Demon. This
Speaker 1: was my first time in the wire rigg as well, really,
Speaker 1: other than on the bike. Yeah, this was my first
Speaker 1: time because the bike wasn't really the bike was wired,
Speaker 1: but we weren't wired. This was my first time putting
Speaker 1: on the harness and being pulled up in the air
Speaker 1: and hoisted. This is my first time being sort of
Speaker 1: properly hoisted. So let's talk about how we got to
Speaker 1: that moment. You know, we have Clary's artistic talents being
Speaker 1: put to good use, Magnus being the warlock godfather that
Speaker 1: he is. Here's some beautiful chalk. Why don't you trust
Speaker 1: your instincts and draw something? Go go play with chalk, kid, Sure,
Speaker 1: and you come back and Clary's drawn this very elaborate,
Speaker 1: not quite rude, but this elaborate peace on the floor
Speaker 1: that's going to serve as the pentagram of sorts for
Speaker 1: this summoning. We all gather around the ritual goes. We
Speaker 1: stand in a circle. We all hold hands, and Magnus
Speaker 1: makes a point. As with any good mythology story, you
Speaker 1: point out the rules. Do not let go, do not
Speaker 1: break the circle's hands. No matter what, do not break
Speaker 1: the circle. Noted, we all understand this, We all agree
Speaker 1: no matter what happens. It seems simple enough, totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just don't let go of each other's hands. Super easy.
Speaker 1: What could possibly go wrong? What could? Well? Then we
Speaker 1: find out we all have to you give up a
Speaker 1: memory of the person that we love the most. But
Speaker 1: it couldn't be a private giving up has to be
Speaker 1: displayed to be public. It has to be heart wrenching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we also we So who gives up memories? It's you
Speaker 1: give up your mum? Correct? Yes? And then and then
Speaker 1: does it go straight to Alec? Is it just the
Speaker 1: two of you? I can't remember. I feel as though
Speaker 1: it might be Isabel with a memory of Alec. First,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I can't exactly. We should know,
Speaker 1: I've watched many episodes ahead. Now if I can pull
Speaker 1: it up quickly. No, then it does go straight straight? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: and the demon takes memory of Alec from Isabel. Oh,
Speaker 1: it is of Alec. From Isabel. Okay, so Clary Isabel
Speaker 1: and then Alec because I think it was Harry. Where
Speaker 1: must have them been Harry and I who were like,
Speaker 1: I'm curious what our memories would have been. I wonder
Speaker 1: what they would have been. I would guess you also
Speaker 1: would be the falcon see. I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a fond memory. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a loving memory. It's an important memory, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a beloved memory necessarily. It's it's sort of defining.
Speaker 1: It turned Jason to who he was, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it was loving necessarily. It probably would have been,
Speaker 1: would be my guess, an image of Adam Harrington, of
Speaker 1: Michael Whaland, that would be my guess. Or or maybe
Speaker 1: which obviously we didn't shoot until season two, but that
Speaker 1: first interaction between Jason Alec where he shoots the arrow
Speaker 1: and it goes in WHOA same team it's going on there?
Speaker 1: That could have been it. But I think that would
Speaker 1: have story wise, that would have kind of cut our
Speaker 1: legs out from under us. With what happens later on,
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, we love each other, of course
Speaker 1: we love each other. It would have been the same image.
Speaker 1: So I think if we'd have gotten to it, it
Speaker 1: would have made the most sense for it to be
Speaker 1: an image of Michael whaland the father who has lost
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it's a fun, interesting thing that
Speaker 1: we get to play with, not even get to I've
Speaker 1: worked with a lot of actors that were not a
Speaker 1: lot of actors. I've worked with actors that don't really
Speaker 1: do this, that just sort of stick with what's on
Speaker 1: the page and don't have any interest in going past that,
Speaker 1: which is fine, you know, you do. Your process is
Speaker 1: your process. Whatever works for you to perform that way
Speaker 1: is great. But I know, for for all of us
Speaker 1: on this show, the more we could talk about it
Speaker 1: and the more we could develop like backstory or or conceptualize,
Speaker 1: you know, different things that go on, the better that
Speaker 1: would be for us, and the more fun we would
Speaker 1: have and the more rounded these characters ended up. So
Speaker 1: that would be Yeah, that would have been my thought.
Speaker 1: Any who. But that's why I always love those days
Speaker 1: on set where we had the round table or we
Speaker 1: had days like this when everyone was there, because inevitably,
Speaker 1: you know, if Matt wasn't googling something that we were
Speaker 1: talking about extraneously. We would we would get into story
Speaker 1: and we would discuss things and debate things, and and
Speaker 1: it would always bring up something that inevitably ended up
Speaker 1: in the show in one way or another. There and
Speaker 1: also so we should talk about the round table because
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone, I don't know if anyone
Speaker 1: will know what that is, because there's not true. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. We have to get huge credit to our
Speaker 1: props department because our props department saw very early on
Speaker 1: that we all like to stay on set and a
Speaker 1: lot of actors if between setups or if they're moving
Speaker 1: cameras and we have twenty minutes, people will go back
Speaker 1: to their trailers and sit and take care of other things,
Speaker 1: which in the studio the trailers were very nearby. They
Speaker 1: were two minutes, they were super close. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times actors will choose to
Speaker 1: go to their own space to be comfortable. But our show,
Speaker 1: we all had such a good time together and we
Speaker 1: were such a team from day dot that we all
Speaker 1: stayed on set and we just sit in our chairs,
Speaker 1: but we would bring our laptops or phones or knitting
Speaker 1: or whatever it was that we were doing and the
Speaker 1: props department very kindly created this sort of rolling round
Speaker 1: table that they would wheel from set to set to
Speaker 1: put all of our chairs around, so that we all
Speaker 1: had a place to eat or work or sit or
Speaker 1: just put our stuff. And it was such a lovely
Speaker 1: thing because it created a space not only for us,
Speaker 1: but if somebody wanted to come talk to us, whether
Speaker 1: it was wardrobe or props, or you know, somebody showing
Speaker 1: whomever directors or or showing a sketch of what was
Speaker 1: coming next in the show, or or our visual effects
Speaker 1: team coming to show us what this thing was that
Speaker 1: we were looking at in the next scene. It became
Speaker 1: kind of the space four round table discussions total literally
Speaker 1: literally yeah, it was literally our round table, which was
Speaker 1: which was fantastic speaking of things in a round though.
Speaker 1: Shall we get back to the steps, let's get back
Speaker 1: to the story. Very good, your segways have been on
Speaker 1: point today. That's fantastic. Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: We are in the round and Alec pulls up an
Speaker 1: image of Jace, which I don't think anyone was necessarily expecting.
Speaker 1: It happens. It leads to the aforementioned, previously foreshadowed breaking
Speaker 1: of hands, which we were told specifically not to do.
Speaker 1: As being the shadow Hunters we are, that is what
Speaker 1: we did. We break rules and accept consequences. Later, we
Speaker 1: break rules and accept consequences absolutely. And as Alec breaks
Speaker 1: the bond, the memory demon gets more powerful and takes
Speaker 1: a hold of Jace, given how valuable he clearly is. Well,
Speaker 1: it was, it was, And it's a little muddled in
Speaker 1: the edit of what happened. But it doesn't go for me.
Speaker 1: It goes for Alec. Oh, is that what happens? It
Speaker 1: goes for Alec. The demon goes for Alec, and Jace
Speaker 1: pushes him out of the way, and of course he
Speaker 1: does gets enveloped by the demon Tornado. And then so
Speaker 1: now we can sort of talk about it a little more.
Speaker 1: Is then we get picked up in this wire rig,
Speaker 1: which this is the technical aspects of it. This is
Speaker 1: a half rig. It's if you've ever seen a rock climber,
Speaker 1: that thing they're wearing around their waist, that harness, that's
Speaker 1: what I was wearing. Um, so there's nothing over my shoulders,
Speaker 1: which actually, with the benefit of hindsight, is interesting because
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of that upside down and there
Speaker 1: definitely should have been that should have been a full rig,
Speaker 1: and I'm surprised that it wasn't, which now with the
Speaker 1: benefit of hindsight, is reminding me I had big patches
Speaker 1: on my hips where there was no skin left because
Speaker 1: remember that it just eate away at my hips where
Speaker 1: normally what should have happened. I believe, and it's no
Speaker 1: secret that I am very happy that the stunt team
Speaker 1: changed in season two and I felt more comfortable and
Speaker 1: safer with our team in season two. But this, with
Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight, absolutely should have been a full
Speaker 1: rig that went over my shoulders. The weight there should
Speaker 1: have been over my shoulders. There was no way of
Speaker 1: me slipping out of my harness. But I digress. It
Speaker 1: is what it is. But here we are presented with
Speaker 1: another choice. As Magnus has said, there's always a choice.
Speaker 1: Clary has to choose whether to lose Jace or to
Speaker 1: lose her memories forever. And her memories at this point
Speaker 1: are maybe the only way to get her mother back,
Speaker 1: maybe the only way to find the cup may be
Speaker 1: the only way to do all of this, And as
Speaker 1: she did in the first episode following the mysterious man
Speaker 1: into a bar, she chooses Jace once again, and as
Speaker 1: we'll see in the future, this is another bit of foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: It is where we see Clary choosing Jace over and
Speaker 1: over again. It's a mistake. It's a mistake. This is
Speaker 1: the first big it's a mistake. It's not a mistake,
Speaker 1: it's a mistake on paper, because I think Jace would
Speaker 1: have told her and does tell her that this is
Speaker 1: a mistake. This happens. I'm trying to count it now,
Speaker 1: he's need to counter It happens the drinking game. Now
Speaker 1: she took a shot every time. Maybe next time we
Speaker 1: do one, not we record a podcast, not at seven
Speaker 1: in the morning. We can have a drinking version of it.
Speaker 1: Because it does. It happens at the end of season
Speaker 1: it happens at the midseason break in season two, it
Speaker 1: happens at the end of season two, because it happens
Speaker 1: a few times where because it's not just necessarily this
Speaker 1: one is sort of choosing Jace over the concept of
Speaker 1: finding the mother. However, we have also been told that
Speaker 1: the cup and the mom finding those could be the
Speaker 1: potential solving of a new genocide. So you're sort of
Speaker 1: choosing Jace over genocide. If we want to get into it. Really,
Speaker 1: it's not a great choice, and that happens a few times.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not great. But love is selfish. Love
Speaker 1: is silly. Love is selfish, Love is is it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's romanticized so massively, but like it's stupid. It makes
Speaker 1: you do stupid things. And what's irritating about it is
Speaker 1: I would love. I still want to do it. I
Speaker 1: still want to be in love. I still want I
Speaker 1: love being in love, and I still want to make
Speaker 1: these stupid choices, even though I know they're stupid choices,
Speaker 1: you know, even though I know that I would like
Speaker 1: throw myself in front of a speeding juggernaut to save deca.
Speaker 1: Maybe not speeding juggernaut but a toy car. I would
Speaker 1: definitely put myself in front of an RC car. Is
Speaker 1: that is that how you measure a love? And what? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so? So you're not quite as speeding bullet
Speaker 1: train or like, you know, when this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get in a lot of trouble, for sure,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get yelled at, but this one. Sorry,
Speaker 1: she'll just kill you at Mafia and it'll be all fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but yeah, Clary makes the choice. She saves
Speaker 1: Jace somewhat. This is one of my favorite Harry delivered lines,
Speaker 1: which is a book line, I believe, is is he okay?
Speaker 1: Jason's lying obviously motionless on the floor, and he says,
Speaker 1: Jace okay, and he says, I don't know. Does he
Speaker 1: always lie on the ground like that? Totally still? Whatever
Speaker 1: the line is, I have it here. Harry has so
Speaker 1: many of these lines I know. And you know what
Speaker 1: I would imagine is the writers saw this episode and
Speaker 1: saw how he delivered them, and when that's gold, we've
Speaker 1: got to give him as many of those as we
Speaker 1: possibly can. Is he going to be okay? I don't know?
Speaker 1: Does he normally just lay on the ground without moving?
Speaker 1: So funny, so funny, such a brilliant is such a
Speaker 1: brilliant line and so brilliantly delivered. And then then we
Speaker 1: are sort of out of our of our demon and
Speaker 1: our our last hope, as as it were, gone into
Speaker 1: the Clary's memory is gone, demon is gone. Everything's gone
Speaker 1: except except Cat tell us how the episode ends. So
Speaker 1: except we have the portal shard, which correct Jocelyn so
Speaker 1: aptly says in episode one, think of me when you
Speaker 1: wear this, which seems just like a sentimental here's a
Speaker 1: gift to you, my daughter, as I'm about to probably
Speaker 1: die and I'm throwing you through a portal to Lord
Speaker 1: knows where. But in essence Clary that's sticks with her,
Speaker 1: So she does end up touching the portal shard and
Speaker 1: thinking of her mother, and suddenly, as we were discussing
Speaker 1: earlier dreams, visions, etcetera, she sees Valentine. But not only
Speaker 1: does Clari see Valentine. Valentine sees Clary team you can
Speaker 1: go in and out of with the cold stare of
Speaker 1: Alan van Sprang and says, you want your mother, give
Speaker 1: me the cup, And on that we end our episode.
Speaker 1: We end our episode. Wow, a lot happened. A lot
Speaker 1: happens in these episodes. Happened. I wonder we were so
Speaker 1: tired at the end of filming season one. Just a
Speaker 1: lot happens all the time. It's constant. But thank you
Speaker 1: as always everyone. We have a lot more in store.
Speaker 1: I just watched episode five yesterday, and I'm very excited
Speaker 1: to talk about a lot of the stuff that happens.
Speaker 1: You have your first bow staff fight in episode five
Speaker 1: yes with Matt and we settled a great debate do
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters sweat or not? Which will discuss next to God.
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, we and which also reminds me. We
Speaker 1: meet Maris for the first time. In the next episode,
Speaker 1: we meet the lovely Nicolas Wonderful. I have been calling
Speaker 1: Nicola Correlli's Mandolin for the entirety of knowing her, and
Speaker 1: that's just not her name. Nicola Kiah Demud, that's it.
Speaker 1: It's not Correlli's Mandelin. But that's what I've been saying.
Speaker 1: I've told Nicola this, which is just a silly thing,
Speaker 1: but that's how I've described her. But we can tell
Speaker 1: the real story of your first interaction. We should, I
Speaker 1: bet we can't. I think we should ask. I think
Speaker 1: it's public anyway, but we should ask her. I could
Speaker 1: get I bet we could get her on fairly easily
Speaker 1: to discuss this first interaction because it is. It is fun,
Speaker 1: it's a fun and it's the Werewolf episode. It is
Speaker 1: the Werewolf episode. That's right, it is, And we get
Speaker 1: our first like cool John Woo, like three sixty shot
Speaker 1: of the team altogether. You know that's in the next
Speaker 1: episode as well. Any Who that is all for next episode.
Speaker 1: Make sure you tune in. We will be discussing all
Speaker 1: things episode five, All Things where Wolf, all Things Nicola
Speaker 1: Correlli's Mandelin and that is that is going to be
Speaker 1: next week. Thank you, as always so much for listening
Speaker 1: and for those who watched, I hope you enjoyed me
Speaker 1: falling almost out of my recliner chair. Lots of love,
Speaker 1: as always, take care, Thank you for listening, thank you
Speaker 1: for coming with us into the Fray, and as always,
Speaker 1: thank you for returning to the Shadows. Returned to the
Speaker 1: Shadows as hosted an executive produced by Kathryn McNamara and
Speaker 1: Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Langley. Our senior producers
Speaker 1: are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our producers are
Speaker 1: Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia. Original music by Alex Kinsey
Speaker 1: and performed by Alex Kinsey and Kathryn McNamara. The episode
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