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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Colts Reunion Podcast, a conversation with former

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Speaker 1: Colts players, a look back at their career, what they're

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Speaker 1: up to now, and how the Colts played a positive

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Colts Reunion podcast series here on Colts

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Speaker 2: dot Com and the Colts Mobile app and wherever you

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Speaker 2: download your podcast. I'm Matt Taylor, joined with former Colts

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Speaker 2: wide receiver and Ring of Honor member Bill Brooks were

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Speaker 2: inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio and the

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Speaker 2: Colts Reunion Series as back again this summer. As this

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Speaker 2: series pays tribute to some of the great players that

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Speaker 2: have dawned the Colts jersey over the years. We catch

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Speaker 2: up with former greats and talk about their time playing

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Speaker 2: with the Colts, what the Colts did for their career,

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Speaker 2: joining us today for episode number one here in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four is former Colts tight end Gray Ken Dilgar.

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Speaker 2: Dilgar wore the Colts helmet from ninety five to two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one, was a pro bowler in his final

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Speaker 2: season in Indianapolis, and he's a native Hoosier as well.

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Speaker 2: Grew up in southern Indiana, played three sports at Heritage

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Speaker 2: Hills High School, starring in baseball, basketball, and football. Played

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Speaker 2: collegiately at Illinois, was a four year letterman and a

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Speaker 2: three year starter at tight end, and then was drafted

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Speaker 2: by the Colts in the second round of the nineteen

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Speaker 2: advanced to the AFC Championship Game and changed the way

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Speaker 2: Colts fans viewed their hometown team from there on. Dilger

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Speaker 2: finished his career with three seasons in Tampa Bay, winning

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Speaker 2: and today he reflects on his ten year NFL career

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Speaker 2: with us here on Colts Reunion. Ken, thanks a million

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Speaker 2: for your time today. Before we go further, what's life

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Speaker 2: like for you now? What are you up to these days?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt, thanks for having me on. Billy. Good to

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Speaker 3: talk to you guys again. You know, I'm still living

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Speaker 3: in Carmel. I've been here since ninety five, a little

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Speaker 3: and they were born down in Tampas. They didn't have

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Speaker 3: And my daughter is out working for Ernst and Young downtown,

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Speaker 3: a beginning entrepreneur. But yeah, that's been fun being back here.

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Speaker 3: I've been still involved in the community. I know Billy

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it. So let's let's go back. Let's

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Speaker 2: start near the beginning with your ken. You're a Hoosier.

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Speaker 2: You're from Mariah Hill, Indiana. That's a small town. Didn't

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Speaker 3: You know, one bar, one gas station. We don't even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's down in Spencer County, about a three

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Speaker 3: I loved baseball, I still do, but I knew that

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, can you talk about playing quarterback and high school.

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Speaker 3: You know, I did go through a couple of weeks

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Speaker 4: Now, Ken, while you're at Illinois, you had a good

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Speaker 3: You know, when I was playing as a freshman, I

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's a long four years Bill. You

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Speaker 2: Why not Indiana or produced?

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Speaker 3: That's how Kevin Hardy got there, just because I improdue

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Speaker 2: that's a big miss by them. And it all worked

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Speaker 2: out well for you. As Bill mentioned, four year letterman,

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Speaker 2: by the Colts in the second round of nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 2: To fast forward a little bit, Ken, did you have

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Speaker 4: Now you talk about your guy drafted by the Coats

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Speaker 4: in the second round, coming into the National Football League,

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Speaker 4: coming to the Colts, your home team, what were your

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Speaker 3: Boy, that's a great question, Billy. You know, coming out

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Speaker 3: I thought I was just different. I was a six ' five,

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Speaker 3: I could run, I could block, and you know, back then,

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Speaker 3: you know, Billy, your first you know, league, you're just

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Speaker 3: Probably Peyton more than Edrin, just because of what Peyton

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Speaker 3: But you know Edni we didn't really know much about

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Speaker 4: Now, after you saw those guys, and now that you

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00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 4: know about Peyton Edrin, what made those guys so special

436
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 4: that they were one of the great greatest players in

437
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 4: the National Football League?

438
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know they come in with great ability.

439
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

440
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 3: You know, both guys worked very hard on the field,

441
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,239
Speaker 3: but you know, off the field, you could go up

442
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 3: to them and hang out with them and they'll treat

443
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 3: you just like another person. And it's just you know,

444
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: Peyton was very relaxed around his friends in the locker room.

445
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 3: You know, Peyton was a big practical joker, and you

446
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 3: love doing things like that to kind of get things

447
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 3: loosen up. But you know what I'm saying with Edrin,

448
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 3: he was laid back. You know, we stretched right next

449
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: to each other for a couple of years with with

450
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 3: Marvin right there as well, and you think, you know,

451
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 3: you're around great and it's just because of what they

452
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 3: do on the field, but it's what they do off

453
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: the field to get ready for for practice, for the

454
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 3: games and all their great careers.

455
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: Ken for lack of a better term, when did you

456
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: know Peyton was going to turn into Peyton? You know,

457
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: at what point in his early development were you like, man,

458
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: this this dude's going to be special.

459
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think you saw that a lot his rookie year.

460
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: He made a lot of great plays, but you know,

461
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: as all rookies do, they make some bad tros and

462
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: miss some plays here and there. You know, he was

463
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: he had shown brightness, but the team wasn't as good

464
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: as he was, just because it's a new system. It's

465
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 3: a very complicated system, and Peyton, you know, being a rookie,

466
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: kind of put everything everybody else's shoulders. So once we

467
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 3: had the second year, everybody's comfortable with the offense. You know,

468
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 3: understand Peyton what he wants to do. Then things this

469
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: kind of clipped.

470
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talked about that ninety nine season. You guys

471
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 2: were loaded, you know, Drin James, yourself, Marvin Harrison, Marcus Pollard,

472
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: Terrence Wilkins, you guys go thirteen and three kind of

473
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: validate Peyton Manning to a degree after that up and

474
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: down rookie season where he set the rookie record for

475
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: interceptions thrown by a first year player. But for you, again,

476
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 2: you were a veteran at this time, Ken, how did

477
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: you make Peyton better? You know, in what ways did

478
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: you get in his ear and turn him into a

479
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: better quarterback?

480
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 3: You know what, I think the offensive coordinators and the

481
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 3: back coaches have done a really good job with Peyton

482
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 3: kind of you know, let him run the show. Then

483
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: you know, if you dropped the ball or if you

484
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 3: made a mistake, he would come after you. And you know,

485
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: there was a couple of times and I said something

486
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: back to Peyton, He's like, okay, you know you can

487
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 3: talk to it.

488
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to give it right back to him, right, Yeah.

489
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 3: Like Jeff Saray did on the sideline there, you know,

490
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: years and years ago. But you know what I mean,

491
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: come out of uh, come out of college. Peyton didn't

492
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: throw the best ball at someone's balls got away with them.

493
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: And if you throw it right back them, Hey, when

494
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: you throw me a spiral once, I'll catch it. Okay.

495
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 3: He drives you to be better, just to push him

496
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: to be better. And it worked out for everybody. I mean,

497
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: he made everybody better. But you know, you can see

498
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: what he and Marvin created, uh in between the sessions,

499
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: in between practices, because they worked forever on routes and

500
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: routes and routes as you saw for how many years

501
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 3: those guys were together.

502
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: Now, can I want to go to near the end

503
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 4: of your career here with the with the Colts, not

504
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 4: your NFL career, but the time with the coach. You

505
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 4: played seven seas of the coat, you had two and

506
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 4: sixty one catches over three thousand yards and eighteen touchdowns.

507
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: It was one of the most durable players for the coach.

508
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: I think you only missed three games during that time

509
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: here with the Coats. But after the two thousand and

510
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: one season, in which you made the Pro Bowl, the

511
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 4: coach released you. What was going through your mind during

512
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: that time?

513
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: You know, I was kind of shocked. You know, you

514
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 3: have a new coaching staff come in and all of

515
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 3: a sudden they want to make some changes. And you know,

516
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: I didn't have a great year in two thousand and

517
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: one catching the ball, but I had tourn my left

518
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: knee meniscus in training camp, and I made the decision

519
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: to play on that all season long. And I would

520
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: see the doctors on Saturday, and I didn't get my

521
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: knee drained before the Sunday game. And you know, there

522
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: were some plays in that I cut balls and I

523
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: just couldn't run. So I think the Colts decided to

524
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 3: move on just because I was getting, you know, to

525
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: be twenty nine or thirty years old, and I think

526
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: that everybody thinks that's getting old in the NFL. But

527
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: so they released me and moved on and Gruden came

528
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: Colin and I thought it was going to be a

529
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 3: good match down there for the next three years, and

530
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: it turned out to be true.

531
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: Ken, Before we move on to your time in Tampa,

532
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: which you were very successful down there, obviously winning a

533
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in your first year with the Buccaneers, I

534
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: just want to put a little bit of an exclamation point,

535
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: if you will, on your time in Indianapolis. How did

536
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: you see how did you see the city and Colts fandom?

537
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: How did you see that transform over your time? Because

538
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: you came in, like I said, that ninety five season,

539
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: not a whole lot of playoff success or appearances for

540
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: that matter to speak of. Before that year, Indianapolis then

541
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: was kind of still on its way to being a

542
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: Colts town. What kind of differences could you see then

543
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: in real time that has led it to what it

544
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: is today, which you're still a witness of.

545
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think in ninety five, I think

546
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: the end of that ninety four season, you know, Marshall

547
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: Falk had a great year, wins the Pro Bowl. I

548
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 3: think he was MVP of that game as a rookie,

549
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: So I think he kind of started that trend of Hey,

550
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: the culture going to get better. Uh, you know, downtown

551
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: is going to be rocking in the RCA Dome, even

552
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: when the culture mediogre was still rocking. But I think,

553
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, the Colts being having a little bit more

554
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: success in ninety five, people came down to the game.

555
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: I think more restaurants came down there. I think were

556
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: bars wanted to be around the coaches because they were

557
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: getting better than they were drawing, you know, sold out

558
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 3: Sunday afternoon. So I think that was the kind of

559
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: year they kind of say to everybody else downtown, Hey,

560
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: stay downtown, come to the games, and you can kind

561
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: of grow this city. I think that's what happened, you

562
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: know when Peyton got there in ninety nine and for

563
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: the next you know, ten or twelve years that he

564
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 3: was there. Then you know, they built the new stadium.

565
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: So I think the early success in like ninety four

566
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 3: ninety five kind of started growing that market and then

567
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: it took off the again at ninety nine when Peyton

568
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: came then you know just kind of blew up.

569
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

570
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: So again after the one season with the Colts, you

571
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: were a pro bowler the Bucks in two thousand and two.

572
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: He played three seasons down there won a Super Bowl

573
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: in your first season. But please, Ken, don't like through

574
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: you through your your phone right now. Don't throw a

575
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: you know, a stapler or whatever is in front of

576
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: you here, because I do have to ask you because

577
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: you were on the wrong end of that that Colt's

578
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: epic comeback on Monday Night football. The Colts won that

579
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: game thirty eight thirty five, two thousand and three. Right,

580
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: we all remember the details. Trailing my twenty one points

581
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: with less than four minutes to go. You're on the

582
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: other sideline. What what do you remember from that game?

583
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: Watching Peyton Manning who you know? I mean, you have

584
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: all of the ins and outs of this comeback, you

585
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: just can't do anything about it because you're playing offense

586
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: for the other team.

587
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a night near of a game. You know.

588
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 3: We had a great game plan, and you know, I

589
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: think our defense was ready for Peyton what they were

590
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: going to do. And you know, I think we had

591
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: a big lead late in the fourth quarter and I

592
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: had one of those you know, solid games catching four

593
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: five balls and yeah, it was just one of those

594
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: games like hey, we're going to show these goals. You know, Hey,

595
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: you come down to Tampa and you know we can

596
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: beat them, but all of a sudden, you know, four

597
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: or five minutes left in the game, they kind of

598
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: made some big plays. They got some turnovers on side kick,

599
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: so everything they could go wrong, last I would say

600
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 3: eight minutes of that game did go wrong for the Buccaneers.

601
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 4: Ken, I want to ask this as a formal player,

602
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 4: and I played for a different team when I left

603
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: the Coast to play with the Buffalo Bills. Now, when

604
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: you were at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, did their defensive

605
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 4: coordinator come to you and start talking to you and

606
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: asking you about certain things that Peyton might say, or

607
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: certain checks that they might go to and this was

608
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 4: the play will be if he checks to this cadence

609
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: or whatever. Did they ask me that stuff?

610
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: Not as much, I mean, money Kipping came to me

611
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: a little bit and asked about Peyton and some things,

612
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: but I don't think it was specific as far as

613
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: checks or or audibles or cold words. And because you know,

614
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: Peyton was going to change that game exactly, so I

615
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: think it was just more of basic scheme that Bnty

616
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: given was one of the great dquarters in the league

617
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: for years, especially in Tampa. I was just trying to

618
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: get some basic information on mostly schemes and stuff.

619
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was just one of those those bad experiences.

620
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: Through a decade of greatness for Ken, I mean, like

621
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: I said, ten seasons in the NFL, three hundred and

622
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: fifty six catches, over four thousand yards, twenty four touchdowns.

623
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: Now that you've obviously are are distanced away from your

624
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: career as a player and the NFL the grueling nature

625
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: of it, Ken, what what are your favorite moments? I

626
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: know this is a tough question to answer, maybe boil

627
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: it down to one or two things, but just your

628
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: favorite moments you had with the Indianapolis Colts. And it

629
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: could be it could be anything. It'd be locker room

630
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: moments or travel moments or certainly you know, times on

631
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: the field during game day.

632
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, in the early days, I think you

633
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: appreciate all the older guys who were you know, signing

634
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: with the Coats and trying to get you know, one

635
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: more one more game uneath the belt, one more season

636
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: undeath their belt. You know, once you get older you

637
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: can kind of appreciate that. And then once you kind

638
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: of get into the Peyton era and all of a

639
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: sudden you look around. You know, there was Peyton Manning,

640
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: there's Marshall's Fault, there's Reggie Wayne, there's Marvin Harrison. You know,

641
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: you get all these great players, and all of a sudden,

642
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: now they're in the Hall of Fame. Oh my god,

643
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: I was, you know, great friends with these guys, and uh,

644
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: now they're all in the Hall of Fame. And you

645
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: feel honored that you were part of those guys' careers

646
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: and and you know, kind of make things happen for

647
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: them as well.

648
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: Ken. Now you earlier you talked about your son, Zach's

649
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: working for a golf company, and I know you're an

650
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: avenue golfer and you like playing golf quite a bit.

651
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Speaker 4: I heard a little rumor that your son has beaten

652
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Speaker 4: you on a golf course, uh lately, and I want

653
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Speaker 4: to see if that's true.

654
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has bet me a couple of times in

655
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Speaker 3: the presence of our own Anthony cal Oh you.

656
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Speaker 4: Know what, that's the worst person for.

657
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Speaker 3: Why context around this? Yes, he's on spread though of

658
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: course he was right there playing with him too. He

659
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: was doing a little he was doing a little jim

660
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: nance on eighteen when yeah, Zach's playing well. Sometimes he

661
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: needs to work on a short game, especially his wedge

662
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: is a little bit a little bit in it. But uh,

663
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Speaker 3: if I have an off round and he he's on it,

664
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Speaker 3: he can beat me. I think he's beat me two

665
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Speaker 3: or three times one.

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Speaker 2: Well, your son is not yet. He's he's probably on

667
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: his way journey wise, but he is not yet ken

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Speaker 2: Uh into the Indiana Football Hall of Fame. We are

669
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Speaker 2: talking to a Hall of Famer. What did that honor

670
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: mean to you? You know, to to be recognized as

671
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Speaker 2: one of the greatest players in the history of this state,

672
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Speaker 2: which has produced some some big time talent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anytime you get inducted to your high

674
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Speaker 3: school Hall of Fame or in college Hall of Famer

675
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: or whatever hall of fame, it means you had a

676
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: pretty good career and uh, you know along the way,

677
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Speaker 3: it's a great time to thank people that helped you

678
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: get there. You know, my high school coach was one

679
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: of the top coaches in Indiana high school football history.

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Speaker 3: He was in the Hall of Fame a couple of

681
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: years before I did. So it's great to have that

682
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Speaker 3: area down there where it's all foreign people, it's all

683
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: blue collar, all working factories, kind of have some some

684
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: recognition as far as the area that produced you know,

685
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Speaker 3: some Indiana High School Hall of famers.

686
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the question for both of you guys,

687
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 2: Bill and Ken, you guys worked several years together at

688
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Speaker 2: WISH TV. You brought up Anthony Calhoun, a staple in

689
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: this town, working on the NFL Countdown, a kickoff show.

690
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: You guys were both analysts there with ac Can. I'll

691
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Speaker 2: start with you, how much and you're still doing that

692
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Speaker 2: with ac every Sunday? How much do you enjoy the

693
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Speaker 2: media that side of the fence, if you will post

694
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Speaker 2: your NFL career.

695
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Speaker 3: Well, it's you know, all the media yere in Indianapolis

696
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: has been great and I worked with a lot of them,

697
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: you know, my time with the Colts. You kind of

698
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: do all these interviews with all those guys, you know,

699
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: collaborat's been a staple here for those like twenty or

700
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: thirty years as well the w g HR, So you

701
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: get to know all those personalities and once you kind

702
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: of get behind the scenes and do things with WISH

703
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: TV like Billy and Idea, and you get to see

704
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: just a different, I guess concept of sports media and

705
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: what they're going through, how they're trying to get to

706
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: the players with the players they're saying back to them

707
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: on live interviews, So you get to kind of see

708
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: both sides of the ball there, and both are pretty

709
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: hard to get done on a high level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun. It was fun working with Ken at

711
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Speaker 4: WISH TV. We had a good time there, would go

712
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: back and forth on some challenges there, how the program

713
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: worked out, so it was fun and enjoyed my time

714
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: there with Ken. And Ken always brought a good insight,

715
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Speaker 4: especially from a tight end position and offensive line and

716
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: thanks for that nature. So it was fun to work

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Speaker 4: with Ken throughout those years.

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Speaker 2: And Ken, do you do how do you consume games now?

719
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Speaker 2: I mean, are you in front of your TV? Are

720
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Speaker 2: you are your dog custom them when things aren't going well?

721
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Speaker 2: And are you fist pumping when you know they make

722
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Speaker 2: a fourth quarter comeback? How big is your fandom even now?

723
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I still cheer for the Colts, you know, kind

724
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: of following up the last fifteen years to do it

725
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: on TV. Yeah, you get to know some of the

726
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 3: guys who really maybe are stepping up that week because

727
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: because of injury, and so you go home, you know,

728
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: I try to get home and watch all the games

729
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: on Sunday, especially the Colts game, and you kind of

730
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: see what's going on, see what the good calls are,

731
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Speaker 3: the bad calls are, see what concepts are trying to

732
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Speaker 3: get done, and you know, it's kind of been a

733
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Speaker 3: hodgepodge of the last four or five years with different coordinators,

734
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Speaker 3: different quarterbacks, so you kind of see what, you know,

735
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Speaker 3: how that game has progressed, because it's a totally different

736
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Speaker 3: game now than what it was when I was with

737
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Speaker 3: Peyton and you know that stretch run offense that he

738
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Speaker 3: had with our group. So you're just trying to look

739
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: at concepts, see what players are doing, and you know,

740
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: they're so bigger now than what they were before them,

741
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: so much faster, and so it's just fun to watch

742
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: these great athletes out there again.

743
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Speaker 4: Can you talk to talk about how the game has

744
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 4: changed since you played it now? In that sense, if

745
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: you were to play today's game right now and your

746
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 4: health and everything and you're always healthy, how do you

747
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: think you would have done?

748
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Speaker 3: You know what I think I would fit right in.

749
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Speaker 3: You know, I think I probably would have cut more balls,

750
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Speaker 3: just because there's not going to be a linebacker on

751
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 3: the running or on the tight end trying to knock

752
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: them off the line of screen before he goes out

753
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: and catches the ball. There's no holding much anymore. So

754
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: there's a lot more freedom now that you have as

755
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: a tight end or receiver to get open catch more

756
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 3: balls because you know, let's let's face it, it's a

757
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: pass catching NFL right now. So I think definitely would

758
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: have been more of a pass catcher in this offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy would have been the Travis Kelcey of

760
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: the late nineties, right. I'm telling you, Ken Man, could

761
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: we could do this all day? I know you know

762
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: you're still a professional. You still got things to do,

763
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: meetings and clients to meet with, So we will not

764
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Speaker 2: take up more of your time here. But thank you

765
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: so much for your consideration and doing this. It was

766
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Speaker 2: great to catch up with you going down memory and

767
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: lane a little bit, the insight in some of the

768
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Speaker 2: old stories, and again you and those Colts teams in

769
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Speaker 2: the nineties. You were such a big part of my

770
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: fandom in my childhood growing up here as a Hoosier

771
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: in the city of Indianapolis. So I can remember some

772
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: of those games. I can remember those games that you

773
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: played in Ken probably a little bit more vividly than

774
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: the ones that happened last year, seemingly right back in

775
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: weeks two, three and four. So all the best to

776
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: you and your family, and if you want to come

777
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: on and put that analyst's hat back on, let us

778
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: know we'd love to have you.

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Speaker 3: Great pleasure talking to you, and Billy, good talking to

780
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: you again as well.

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Speaker 4: Always good talking to you. Ken Tell the fan massa Hello,

782
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Speaker 4: I sure will