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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola and things are about to get back
Speaker 1: on track for your Dallas Cowboys because Mick Shots is
Speaker 1: back on track on this Tuesday. As I see that
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola Everson is back inside the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. He's been
Speaker 1: out of there for a couple of weeks. And Everson,
Speaker 1: what are the Cowboys done the last couple of weeks?
Speaker 1: They have been blown out in everysingly that's tried. I
Speaker 1: think we figured out what the problem is. So we
Speaker 1: decided a denominator, right tried, Mickey, get out of your
Speaker 1: home office. It's time to go back to work. And
Speaker 1: Mickey is back to work, and aren't you Mickey, And
Speaker 1: it's good to be here. By the way, it took
Speaker 1: me a little while to kind of reorient myself. Like
Speaker 1: when I walked into building, it was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: need my badge. I haven't worn a badge for two weeks,
Speaker 1: right and mask, and then I had to figure out
Speaker 1: where it was. So but all's good and we're ready
Speaker 1: to roll here in our SWBC Mortgage studio. I tried.
Speaker 1: It's taken a while for the Cowboys to reorient themselves
Speaker 1: as well here the last couple of weeks. But maybe
Speaker 1: they can get it back on track against the first
Speaker 1: place Philadelphia Eagles as first place is on the line
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys by Sunday night, Mickey, that's where we
Speaker 1: left yesterday after after forty five minutes of ranting and raving,
Speaker 1: and with the way we ended the show on Monday was, Hey,
Speaker 1: they're planning for first place, so here we are always
Speaker 1: only a half game out. Hey, I like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys realized, but Chris is armed to
Speaker 1: the chief with his mask on. Are you afraid? Because
Speaker 1: Spags is there? That's the only differences as a carrier
Speaker 1: case he had to walk in here. You know, we
Speaker 1: should let our viewers and listeners know who cannot see
Speaker 1: Chris Beam that Everson has a close close circuit feed
Speaker 1: video feed of the control room where he can see
Speaker 1: our producer Chris Beam with a mask on, and I
Speaker 1: suspect he's probably a good idea. Once Mickey got back
Speaker 1: on the premises, Yeah, that's what it is. That's right,
Speaker 1: laming on me, all right, Mickey, Yes, Mickey, Jerry's making
Speaker 1: some noise this morning. There's some headlines from coast to coast.
Speaker 1: Jerry was on you guys better and here to what
Speaker 1: he said when I'm talking, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: have to tell you to shut up and let me answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: somebody's fired up at over at the Star, somebody's fired up.
Speaker 1: I fell off my chair listening to that this morning.
Speaker 1: And then the way and then the way he finished it, Uh,
Speaker 1: was absolutely hilarious because you know Jerry, it's like he goes,
Speaker 1: he goes, if I was a little bit up rupt there,
Speaker 1: meaning how he kind of when they kind of cut
Speaker 1: him off, and he was like, no, I hadn't finished
Speaker 1: answered my question, right, and uh he said that. At
Speaker 1: the end, he goes, so I hate to start the
Speaker 1: day like that. He goes, so we're gonna have We're
Speaker 1: gonna have a good day. They'll be better days. And
Speaker 1: at goes old adage, he goes, don't piss off an
Speaker 1: old man with a little bit of money, best when
Speaker 1: oh my god, Hey, I'm glad Jerry's fired up. I
Speaker 1: really am. I mean, don't apologize. You know, sometimes we
Speaker 1: can't all have this decorum in the midst of this
Speaker 1: this you know, depression that we're under right now. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if he the man wants to go off and
Speaker 1: somebody cuts him off, and you know this is this
Speaker 1: is I'm Jerry Jones. Damn it. Don't just shut up
Speaker 1: till I finish. I don't care if I feel a buster.
Speaker 1: Shut the hell up till I'm finished. Sometimes you just
Speaker 1: gotta feel like that man. Maybe, you know, change of
Speaker 1: attitude around there at the start. You know, I think
Speaker 1: Jerry's probably just heared Micky's reports on that radio station,
Speaker 1: and he's heard Mickey say the same thing, don't piss
Speaker 1: off an old man, but Mickey leaves out the money party,
Speaker 1: don't piss off very little money. So other than that,
Speaker 1: what you make of what Jerry had to say on
Speaker 1: the radio this morning, Well, um, you know, he certainly
Speaker 1: backed up Mike McCarthy let's go there first, um, and
Speaker 1: then he he kind of went through different things. You
Speaker 1: know that It's like people in our business, they have
Speaker 1: this book of questions, and and one of the chapters
Speaker 1: is excuses for losing, right, because it's never you're just
Speaker 1: not good enough. It's either there's not enough effort, there's
Speaker 1: no leadership. You know, those are those are the two
Speaker 1: prime excuses for losing. Uh, it seems like and those
Speaker 1: were the ones he had to kind of filter through.
Speaker 1: Uh this morning, are you frustrated? Well, how yes, he's frustrated.
Speaker 1: You know, there ain't nobody in this building here on
Speaker 1: the other side that's not frustrated with a two and
Speaker 1: five record. When you thought that, you know, after going
Speaker 1: eight and eight, it's like, Okay, we're going to get
Speaker 1: over the hump because we're bringing in a new staff. Well,
Speaker 1: they forgot to tell him the new staff was coming
Speaker 1: in with the new pandemic, right, and things that weren't
Speaker 1: going to be normal this year, and so far for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, they haven't been normal. But I like the
Speaker 1: fact that he pointed out number one. You know, when
Speaker 1: they ask about the offense, he pointed out once again
Speaker 1: that forty percent of their salary cap is on injured
Speaker 1: reserve right now, and that includes almost the entire offensive
Speaker 1: line save Connor Williams. So it's really hard when you
Speaker 1: are sitting here and you were starting the backup to
Speaker 1: the backup to the Pro Bowl offensive tackle and nothing
Speaker 1: against Brandon Knight. I thought his effort has always been good,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't in the mix to maybe even make
Speaker 1: the team, let alone have to start as many games
Speaker 1: as he did. So Jerry pointed that out, and then
Speaker 1: he went to the route of the evil that we've
Speaker 1: been talking about it and I've been harping on, but
Speaker 1: the defense has to play better. The run defense has
Speaker 1: to play better, you know you guys. I needed to
Speaker 1: remind myself. I remember the three oh seven they gave up,
Speaker 1: and then I went and looked and I wrote down
Speaker 1: in from my memory two eighty one and then two
Speaker 1: oh eight, and I go, is that right? Do I
Speaker 1: need to double check that's how many rushing yards they've
Speaker 1: given up in three of the last four games. Well,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely right. And Jerry pointed out that they have
Speaker 1: to fix the run defense, and I liked the way
Speaker 1: he said it. He said, we got to correct this
Speaker 1: and we'll change some personnel for sure, and that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that has to have up front. We've
Speaker 1: been harping on that no one will criticize don Terry Poe,
Speaker 1: but that that can't continue. Three straight games and zeroed
Speaker 1: out on the stat sheet just can't continue when you're
Speaker 1: playing nearly half the snaps. So what do they do?
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do there, but at least
Speaker 1: we saw a little bit of a heartbeat from Everson
Speaker 1: Griffin this last game. So maybe he's your right defensive end.
Speaker 1: Maybe you move Alden Smith into the three technique now
Speaker 1: that you don't have Tristan Hill, and then you've got
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory coming on to help out at the other
Speaker 1: defense at the right defensive end spot. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: a change they make. I don't know, but they can't
Speaker 1: keep going the way they're going with that defensive tackle
Speaker 1: position and think things are going to change. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: problem there is, Mickey, as you know, is that they've
Speaker 1: got to rotate guys in there. And they started off
Speaker 1: this game with a rotation they had uh to start
Speaker 1: off against Washington. They had done Terry Poe at the
Speaker 1: one technique and Neville Gallimore at the three technique right,
Speaker 1: and then they and the next rotation they would bring
Speaker 1: in a combination of Justin Hamilton was coming in when
Speaker 1: they went into that five man front and then they
Speaker 1: had Antoine Woods. So I think who I have always
Speaker 1: thought is active, and you know, you're you're never gonna
Speaker 1: lose anything with Antoine Woods in there as far as
Speaker 1: how hard he plays, and so I always like it
Speaker 1: when I see Antoine Woods in there for that reason. Um.
Speaker 1: But but one of the issues is I can see
Speaker 1: it like Alden Smith moving inside when there when it's
Speaker 1: a pass rush situation, that's great, you know, but Aldon
Speaker 1: still reminds he still seems more like a three to
Speaker 1: four outside linebacker than a four to three in and
Speaker 1: that goes right to the fact that he like to
Speaker 1: get down in a three point stance to begin with.
Speaker 1: Playing defensive end, he's in a two point stance, while
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin is more of a four three defensive end.
Speaker 1: So I like where you're going there, maybe with Everson
Speaker 1: Griffin and de Marcus Lawrence as your four three defensive ends,
Speaker 1: with with Neville Gallimore and Antoine Woods inside, and then
Speaker 1: you rotate from there, um, you know, and in passing
Speaker 1: downs you move all in. Everson Griffin can rush from
Speaker 1: inside too. I mean, there's combinations that they can come
Speaker 1: up with, but there and I agree with you wholehearted
Speaker 1: to lay on Poe. But there's also some issues that
Speaker 1: they have at the defensive end position as far as
Speaker 1: being able to end linebacker, as far as far as
Speaker 1: stopping the right and safety. I mean, it's a team effort. No, No,
Speaker 1: it has person But again, uh, we're seven games in.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear anymore about gap control. How
Speaker 1: hard is that to sink in that's my gap? Ryan?
Speaker 1: Now do you have the ability to gap control? You know?
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. You know. Last year, the criticism
Speaker 1: on this defense was they were so aggressive shooting up
Speaker 1: the field. They were shooting up the field and the
Speaker 1: running backs were going the other way right past them.
Speaker 1: Well now they're not shooting up the field, and you
Speaker 1: know what, the running backs are still going right past them.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, I saw a good defense last night.
Speaker 1: I saw two good defenses last night, and I kept
Speaker 1: trying to compare the same plays going against the same
Speaker 1: defense that we were running. You could see that the
Speaker 1: Rams are trying to stretch the Bears defense as much
Speaker 1: as they could. That basically, that's what the Rams due
Speaker 1: to everyone. That's what they did to us. And yes
Speaker 1: they did get They did chipping off the Bears a
Speaker 1: little bit, little by little, and eventually the Bears got
Speaker 1: frustrated and they couldn't stop anybody. Well, the problem that
Speaker 1: you have with the Cowboys is you look at the Bears,
Speaker 1: you look at the Cowboys. To me, the difference is
Speaker 1: just attitude. They were optimistic about every player. When you
Speaker 1: came up against the running back. If you're a linebacker,
Speaker 1: you're a dB. Once you made contact. If you're a
Speaker 1: Bears defended, once you made contact with that player, he
Speaker 1: wasn't going another step further. They made some very good tackles.
Speaker 1: They were all sure tacklers, and they didn't try to
Speaker 1: do it by themselves. I'm pretty sure Mike Nolan's telling
Speaker 1: them every day, guys, we all have to go to
Speaker 1: the ball. We all have to go to the ball. Well,
Speaker 1: everyone's not going to the ball as much as you
Speaker 1: say it. Get off your freaking block, get to the ball.
Speaker 1: That's your job as a defense has to have a
Speaker 1: gang mentality. The difference to me looks like between what's
Speaker 1: going on with this defense and what's going on with
Speaker 1: the defense back in the day. Let's just say Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson's nineteen nineties team. I know what's going way back before.
Speaker 1: Attitude is still attitude, and that's what Jimmy brought to
Speaker 1: this team. Do you recall the running back that Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson cut right before Christmas? You remember that? Remember that
Speaker 1: Urvin Richards years. I mean, I feel I felt sorry
Speaker 1: for the kid at the time, but because he was
Speaker 1: just really a pawn in Jimmy Johnson's game, and that
Speaker 1: is to put fear and urgency into every player on
Speaker 1: that team. I remember talking to Nate Newton I believe
Speaker 1: it was Michael Levin as well at that time, and
Speaker 1: all they could talk about they were They were kind
Speaker 1: of giggling about it, but it was a testament to
Speaker 1: you don't want to mess with Jimmy Johnson. Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be content. Right now, playoffs are coming
Speaker 1: up the Cowboys. If I'm not mistaken, we're still in
Speaker 1: first place in the division, and Jimmy still felt that
Speaker 1: he had to make a statement. Now, I'm never much
Speaker 1: for statements because I think players should be accountable without
Speaker 1: being subjected to fear. But I have seen it work,
Speaker 1: and if I'm not if I was with you, I
Speaker 1: was there just a bit with Jim it wasn't there
Speaker 1: long enough, but yeah, he got my butt on out
Speaker 1: of them. McCarthy needs to have an attitude in that
Speaker 1: manner because he's such a at least we see him outwardly,
Speaker 1: seems like a meek even tend to even temperate person.
Speaker 1: Someone on that team needs to be the hinchman. If
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the head coach, you've got
Speaker 1: to have a coach on that team that's willing to
Speaker 1: put the hammer down embarrass some guys, and you've got
Speaker 1: to be willing to embarrass the guys that made all
Speaker 1: the money on the team. Do you want to who
Speaker 1: do you want to cut? Who do you want to cut?
Speaker 1: Knock cut, knock cut, not cut, but definitely put on
Speaker 1: notice from of everyone so that we can all stop
Speaker 1: walking around the locker room like, oh it ain't me,
Speaker 1: must be him they say anything to me, Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna eliminate all that. I'm calling all of y'all out.
Speaker 1: That's what the coaches need to do. Well, that's alike
Speaker 1: the fact that Jerry said we'll have some personnel changes,
Speaker 1: So let's see what kind of personnel changes could be
Speaker 1: coming up. And I don't think he means rotating guys.
Speaker 1: I don't think he means bringing guys up off the
Speaker 1: practice squad. I think he means that somebody's but it's
Speaker 1: gonna sit. And if you noticed in this last game,
Speaker 1: I didn't think Darryl Worley played a snap and I
Speaker 1: finally went back and looked he played one defensive snap
Speaker 1: water line. It was go line defenses, yes, which when
Speaker 1: Washington was down on the goal line, he came in.
Speaker 1: That was it. So I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: a response to him blowing the coverage. Now I'm guessing
Speaker 1: they're not going to do it to Treyvon Diggs, the rookie.
Speaker 1: But again, if Chitubey Owoozier's ready to play, somebody in
Speaker 1: that secondary's gonna sit because he needs to be on
Speaker 1: the field. And the same thing happens when Sean Lee's
Speaker 1: ready to go. You know, enough of these defensive ends
Speaker 1: standing up as a strong side linebacker. Get Sean Lee
Speaker 1: out there and get him to be vocal with this
Speaker 1: team the way he's normally been and a leader on
Speaker 1: that field. By the way, so when the Cowboys, Mickey
Speaker 1: are in this five man front, that is their four
Speaker 1: three with a defensive end playing the SAM linebacker Dorance
Speaker 1: Armstrong or whoever standing up in that defense. That's what
Speaker 1: they're running because it, I mean, it looks like it
Speaker 1: might as well be a three to four in if
Speaker 1: the if the opposite side defensive end just stands up
Speaker 1: instead of gets down in a three point stance, it
Speaker 1: looks like a three four just as easily as a
Speaker 1: four to three because they're using a defensive end by
Speaker 1: trade as their SAM linebacker in that defense and those
Speaker 1: in a Dorance arms wrong, I'm sorry. And in fact,
Speaker 1: on the okay, remember the third and long where Kyle
Speaker 1: Allen got out ran for the first down. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we talked about it yesterday. DeMarcus Lawrence is retreating into
Speaker 1: coverage on that play, Okay, So they don't contain that
Speaker 1: one side because Lawrence his responsibility on that play was
Speaker 1: it was like a zone blitz and he was retreating
Speaker 1: back cover in the middle of the field and so
Speaker 1: it was wide open for the quarterback to take off
Speaker 1: and go thirteen yards for a first down on that point.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why had it covered, right, so he had
Speaker 1: no thirteen If it's third and thirteen, man, let's just
Speaker 1: let d let's let d Long get a set. Let's
Speaker 1: send him out. Let's just let him. When they came
Speaker 1: in with this three four and they had DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: dropping in the car, I mean DeMarcus Ware dropping into coverage.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't want DeMarcus Ware back pedaling. I
Speaker 1: want him going forward every play, same way with launch, Yes,
Speaker 1: samea say, don't get fancy. Yeah. See we got this
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Speaker 1: continue here on Mick Shots, Hey, we could have a
Speaker 1: world champion crowd in Arlington tonight. Micky. It's Game six
Speaker 1: in the World Series. Absolutely, and Kirkshaw's going right. Kirshaw
Speaker 1: went Saturday Sunday night. Oh that's right, he pitched the
Speaker 1: last one tonight, So is it right? So the Dodgers
Speaker 1: three two and uh there, Dodgers are up three two,
Speaker 1: and if they win to night um or they went
Speaker 1: if Tampa Bay wins, they play Game seven tomorrow and
Speaker 1: I'll look for your pitching matchups. I should know that,
Speaker 1: but you have caught me off guard, Mickey. I prepared
Speaker 1: for football and not baseball, and I blame myself for
Speaker 1: bringing up baseball to begin with. You know what that was?
Speaker 1: That game was that Game three? That was a hell
Speaker 1: of exciting. Oh on Saturday night, the game four on
Speaker 1: Saturday at the play seen You will never ever see
Speaker 1: a game in like that one did again, I mean
Speaker 1: that was unbelievable. And in fact, the fact that the
Speaker 1: guy that got the hit for Tampa Bay, Brett Phillips,
Speaker 1: he seldom used. He's like a defensive replacement. He was
Speaker 1: a day and he gets the hit and then thrown
Speaker 1: the uh ball gets booted in center field and then
Speaker 1: the throat of the plate and the hero of the
Speaker 1: of the of the whole playoffs for Tampa Bay, Randy Rosarina,
Speaker 1: who everything he touches goes right even when he falls down.
Speaker 1: When did this guy come from another one? He came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. So yeah, Brett Phillips, who came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere with the hit and a Rosarina. He comes
Speaker 1: running around third base for home and he falls flat
Speaker 1: on his face and the throne comes in. He's out
Speaker 1: by he's out by twenty feet. And what was the
Speaker 1: chechen doing? Man took his eye off the ball and
Speaker 1: he thought he had to make off the sweeping tag
Speaker 1: and he did, and he didn't exactly, he didn't know,
Speaker 1: he didn't you know. Okay, what was the problem on
Speaker 1: that play? We talk about? Okay, we can relate this
Speaker 1: to foot ball and all right, a lot of the
Speaker 1: problems that the Cowboys are having on defense stopping the run.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of missed assignments in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: reading and reacting, and there's some of that comes into
Speaker 1: baseball too. What, Mickey, what needed to happen on that
Speaker 1: play to keep that run from scoring. It has to
Speaker 1: do with the picture. Oh, I was gonna say that
Speaker 1: before you is not backing up. He was somewhere between
Speaker 1: the pictures mount and the third base line. What was
Speaker 1: he was? He was like between home plate and third base.
Speaker 1: He wanted to get him closer. Look, look, it was exciting.
Speaker 1: He's like, Wow, I gotta get closer and see what
Speaker 1: was right. If he's backing up home play. They're still playing.
Speaker 1: You still got a chance. That's a try, you know
Speaker 1: what they do. But it once again, it just lets
Speaker 1: you know, guys, and I grew up and Bill you
Speaker 1: sundle of saying to me, I'm sis fags. You've seen
Speaker 1: it all. We have seen some very unusual happens in
Speaker 1: sports that had nothing to do with talent. Okay, nothing
Speaker 1: at all to do with talent. It was all about
Speaker 1: opportunity and being ready for that opportunity to come. We've
Speaker 1: seen it so many times. You just talked about the
Speaker 1: young man hadn't played in nine days, he comes up
Speaker 1: and he gets the biggest end of his life, probably
Speaker 1: the biggest hit, one of the biggest hits in World
Speaker 1: Series history. Let's just be real about it. So don't
Speaker 1: come to me talking about, well, we drafted this guy,
Speaker 1: he's got all this talent, We got this guy. Man,
Speaker 1: Just show me somebody's got some heart, show me somebody
Speaker 1: with the attitude, somebody that believes. We talked about it
Speaker 1: last year, we talked about the Cowboys, talies, talent, talent, talent,
Speaker 1: and then Buffalo comes in here, Minnesota comes in here.
Speaker 1: They both kick out butts and I said, you can
Speaker 1: take a team of just average guys who know what
Speaker 1: they're doing, who's on the same page, and you can
Speaker 1: beat a bunch of superstars. We saw it all last
Speaker 1: year and to our team, so to me, when we
Speaker 1: started talking about all these these moves that we make
Speaker 1: and what does he running the forty and how high
Speaker 1: can he jump after he's handsome coffee, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't care about any of that kind of stuff. Show
Speaker 1: me a guy that believes he can make the play.
Speaker 1: We can work with all the other stuff. We get
Speaker 1: so caught up in all the stats and all of that.
Speaker 1: Show me a guy that wants to play. You know,
Speaker 1: along those lines, you mentioned the Rams Bears game last night,
Speaker 1: and and I thought you were going to go to
Speaker 1: the secondaries for both teams because they got some guys
Speaker 1: like Everson Walls, who I was thinking his last night.
Speaker 1: I just didn't bring him now in both those secondaries.
Speaker 1: And of course, Jalen Ramsey had an interception at the
Speaker 1: end that was yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, but yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: But there's one guy in that Bears secondary, Eddie Jackson
Speaker 1: out of Alabama, who I think he was like a
Speaker 1: third round pick whatever, and he has had more returns
Speaker 1: for touchdowns, and not only in his NFL career, but
Speaker 1: going back to his college career, and he probably ran
Speaker 1: a four or five five or something like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know what he ran. But he is just a
Speaker 1: playmaker in that secondary for the Bears. And so in
Speaker 1: last night's game, he's right place, right time. There was
Speaker 1: a sack, he picks up fumbled scoops and scores another
Speaker 1: touchdown I think he had And they said they had
Speaker 1: two others that were called back this season. I mean
Speaker 1: every year he's got returns for touchdowns and he did
Speaker 1: it time and again. I think he did it twice
Speaker 1: against That's not by happenstanding, that's exactly. That's not exactly.
Speaker 1: This guy has the ability to make that play because
Speaker 1: he has it up here. So I don't like you
Speaker 1: said four or five. Maybe I don't care what he runs.
Speaker 1: Just show me some playmakers. And the attitude in both
Speaker 1: secondaries was one of hounddogs. I mean, they will hunt
Speaker 1: exactly these guys are. They can't wait to get off
Speaker 1: in that wide receiver's face, get off in his grill.
Speaker 1: That's to me, that's the attitude I'm talking about. What
Speaker 1: does that come from Does it come from one player?
Speaker 1: Does it come from who you drafted? Does it come
Speaker 1: from your your your your dB coach? Who does where
Speaker 1: does that come from? I don't see what's the head
Speaker 1: coach name, Bill Nagie. Is that his name for the Bears,
Speaker 1: Bill Naggie, I think it is. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: see him being Matt Nagi. Yeah, I don't see him,
Speaker 1: Yeah Naggie, I don't. I didn't see no great attitude
Speaker 1: of him, you know, talking trash or being very extroverted.
Speaker 1: So that attitude comes from somewhere within that organization. On
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. Those dbs in the entire secondary,
Speaker 1: including the linebackers, couldn't wait to make a play they
Speaker 1: want afraid. They couldn't wait to make a play last
Speaker 1: last Monday night and then on Sunday night. The Arizona secondary.
Speaker 1: What what does Arizona have in their second under estimated
Speaker 1: that Buddha Baker and this Byron Murphy, whether it's in
Speaker 1: past defense or run defense, he's an instinctive player. Those
Speaker 1: are the type guys that you have to have on
Speaker 1: your defense to make plays. I think McCarthy said it.
Speaker 1: I believe it was him. I don't think it was.
Speaker 1: It was Mike Nolan. He said, we got guys on
Speaker 1: defense that are playing not to make mistakes instead of
Speaker 1: cutting it loose and just go play. And I think
Speaker 1: that there may be too much thinking going on back
Speaker 1: there and just go out there and play football. You know.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a guy running at me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I better cover him. I don't need to be looking
Speaker 1: underneath there to say, oh, they might throw it to
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm gonna go cheat and try to cover
Speaker 1: that as this guy goes fifty two yards by me.
Speaker 1: They just got to loosen up and play play football. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it was funny one shining moment, right, you
Speaker 1: know it was funny moment against the Giants, right yea.
Speaker 1: Dalan Smith personified it against the Giants. But but you
Speaker 1: gotta know, you gotta anticipate, and he went back to
Speaker 1: not anticipating in this game. You know, the funny play
Speaker 1: in that game was the one on the goal line
Speaker 1: when the Rams were trying to run the ball in
Speaker 1: and that it was a rugby scrum like they were pushing.
Speaker 1: Everybody was pushing the running back and the Bears were
Speaker 1: trying to hold on and they kept pushing and pushing,
Speaker 1: and then a Keem Hicks jumps on the pile at
Speaker 1: the end and they called a penalty on him for
Speaker 1: jumping on the pile. I'm going every offensive lineman jumped
Speaker 1: on the pile and you that was okay, It's like,
Speaker 1: what are you calling? What are you doing? Just amazing you.
Speaker 1: But but you you just loved that defensive attitude. If
Speaker 1: there's a turnover, and you know, I've been a part
Speaker 1: of teams like that, if there's a turnover, you've always
Speaker 1: got that. If you've if you're lucky you're on that defense,
Speaker 1: they can't wait to put their helmets back on to
Speaker 1: get back out on the field. Yeah uh, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's the thing when you when you
Speaker 1: look at the Cowboys defense, is Mickey you're talking about?
Speaker 1: I think a lot. So I think the question may
Speaker 1: have been asked to McCarthy about confidence and sort of
Speaker 1: which comes first. I don't know this way it was
Speaker 1: confidence or performance yeah yeah, yeah, or yeah uh. And
Speaker 1: And I think I think what builds confidence as much
Speaker 1: as anything is preparation. And when you know what that
Speaker 1: if you've studied that opponent and you know all their tendencies. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can play. You can cut it loose and you
Speaker 1: can play. And I think that's what maybe missing some
Speaker 1: in this defense, whether it's simplifying their own scheme or
Speaker 1: just understanding what the offense is trying to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is what has made Sean Lee so great in
Speaker 1: his career is his the way he studies the opponent,
Speaker 1: understands their tend and sees and that's why he can
Speaker 1: so quickly read and react. And it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: to get off a block when you know where that
Speaker 1: ball is going in the backfield and you and you
Speaker 1: know which way to go to get up to get
Speaker 1: off that block. For buy that big offensive lineman, and
Speaker 1: that's why he's able to to do what he does. See.
Speaker 1: I wonder and Bill, you know this occurred to me.
Speaker 1: This occurred to me when about the preparation part. You
Speaker 1: know how, I don't know. In a normal year, when
Speaker 1: everybody's in the meetings together, you know, maybe you stay
Speaker 1: in and you I don't know if you're allowed to
Speaker 1: go in the room and watch tape in a group
Speaker 1: on your home you are, well, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what the rules are now with the
Speaker 1: COVID thing and see, and I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: changed things like guys stay late and watch tape or
Speaker 1: you go home and you and you and you watch
Speaker 1: tape on your own, or is everybody going home? I'm
Speaker 1: talking to you. I'm I want to know if that's
Speaker 1: going on, because I think there's some there there. There
Speaker 1: may be some sort of distraction here about uh staying safe,
Speaker 1: uh going home, make sure everybody safe, instead of doing
Speaker 1: your job and being prepared as you a good dude.
Speaker 1: You're a good Dude's fags. I love that. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you remember you remember that was it who was it
Speaker 1: that that did that documentary on the Cowboys a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago whatever? And remember that the closing shot
Speaker 1: that they had at the end of the season on
Speaker 1: that documentary and Sean Lee it was after their last
Speaker 1: team meeting. And where does Sean Lee go. He doesn't
Speaker 1: leave the building for the offseason. He goes into the
Speaker 1: film room basically, and he is studying what happened in
Speaker 1: that last game whatever. I mean, it's something that you
Speaker 1: do continuously, okay, I mean, you basically have to devote
Speaker 1: yourself during this season to eliminating all the other distractions.
Speaker 1: And if you want to be great, you have to
Speaker 1: devote yourself to doing all you can to study your opponent.
Speaker 1: Is what all players that are any good always do.
Speaker 1: And if you want to be good, and you see
Speaker 1: Sean Lee going into that that video room, come on, man,
Speaker 1: as a linebacker, you've got to feel some kind of
Speaker 1: way about that. You keep on going home and this
Speaker 1: guy's sitting here in the film room. Now, you don't
Speaker 1: have to follow him everywhere it goes. But when you're
Speaker 1: talking about this season right now, Spags, you are not
Speaker 1: sitting next to me right now. But you and I,
Speaker 1: if we figure it out, we can figure out how
Speaker 1: to watch videos and talk to each other while you're
Speaker 1: at home and I'm at home. Everybody else in the
Speaker 1: world is doing it, so there is no excuse for
Speaker 1: them not to be on the same page. Every linebacker
Speaker 1: should be in that room with Sean Lee. And if
Speaker 1: I'm Sean Lee, I'm gonna get tired of people saying, man,
Speaker 1: you really identicate you going there by yourself? And I
Speaker 1: would say, if I'm Sean Lee, why in the hell
Speaker 1: am I in there by myself? See, we got to
Speaker 1: this point and let me make this quick point. We
Speaker 1: didn't see this in training camp when they were in
Speaker 1: a bubble, right, and they started the season off pretty well,
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden things fell apart. When
Speaker 1: you're in the bubble, what else did you have to do?
Speaker 1: Nothing but football? Right? And everybody's together, and now after
Speaker 1: the second week of the season, it's almost like, where
Speaker 1: did that team go? We didn't see that in training
Speaker 1: camp practices. That defense was was rabid in training camp practices.
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, it's like they don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on, so something I put them back in
Speaker 1: the hotel. That's right. In my last point on that,
Speaker 1: am I gonna call out this. I'm not gonna call
Speaker 1: out this former cowboy by name, but I will go
Speaker 1: back to when Sean Lee first came into the league
Speaker 1: and he had a teammate as well that played the
Speaker 1: same position. And I know that Lee, we all know
Speaker 1: what can kind of work at the he's got and
Speaker 1: his teammate also a linebacker. And this was right after
Speaker 1: Twitter had started up on Twitter came around in twenty
Speaker 1: ten or whatever, and so it was probably seven eight
Speaker 1: years ago, and he would tweet about the video games
Speaker 1: that he's playing and this is during the season, and
Speaker 1: this player would be tweeting about, oh I didn't do
Speaker 1: this whatever video game, and I'm saying, put up your
Speaker 1: video game, go study the Philadelphia Eagles. Anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: I've had that. I'm off my soapbox on that. All right,
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Speaker 1: a trivia question for you. Uh, when was the last
Speaker 1: time the Cowboys had an interception? Jeffy? That would have
Speaker 1: been my guest. Now, didn't they get one? Didn't they
Speaker 1: get one early in the season? One this year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: One this year? They did get one early in the season. Um,
Speaker 1: it was in the Rams game. It was Cheeto in
Speaker 1: the Rams game. That's kept thinking that was That's right.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a preseason. I'm sorry, it wasn't preseason.
Speaker 1: I kept thinking this preseason. So they've gotten six games
Speaker 1: now without an interception? How many games? I mean, just
Speaker 1: to even say they've gone that's to say they've got
Speaker 1: one interception in six games, period, is pretty bad. Has
Speaker 1: he missed five Yeah, he's missed five. What's that cheetos?
Speaker 1: He missed five games? Four games. I'm trying to remember,
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have my list here, We've
Speaker 1: got it here. Yes, he's missed five, and it's he's
Speaker 1: getting close. Is there a chance this week Mickey? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's supposed to uh move into more practice week and
Speaker 1: the practice this week, and they're gonna see how he
Speaker 1: reacts to it. But I think they're somewhat optimistic. Sean
Speaker 1: Lee's supposed to move into practice, and we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens with Joe Looney. Uh, and uh, you know, Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton's will be in the concussion protocol. I think Jerry
Speaker 1: I can't remember if Jerry or Steven pointed it out
Speaker 1: that this was the first concussion he's ever had. Uh,
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm sure he's not sure of how
Speaker 1: this whole thing is gonna pan out. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: you got to get Dnucci ready to start and Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert ready to be the backup U and you know
Speaker 1: you don't and neither one of these guys is really,
Speaker 1: you know, had had that much experience in practice, let
Speaker 1: alone in games for the Cowboys. So yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: a it's but again it's what I said previously. You know,
Speaker 1: I understand the problems on offense, but this is when
Speaker 1: you need your defense to step up and help out,
Speaker 1: not create more problems. We talked about the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 1: or at least I did yesterday, and to me, it's
Speaker 1: just a perfect example. Boy, they struggled all year, but
Speaker 1: to watch their defense do their best to keep Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: in every game even though they were down to the
Speaker 1: third string quarterback as well, it was really something to see.
Speaker 1: Of course, they didn't make it, but the effort they
Speaker 1: were exhausted after every game trying to salvage a win
Speaker 1: with a third string quarterback. And they wound up eight
Speaker 1: Nate last year, and so and eight Nate would would
Speaker 1: win this division going away this year. Mike Thomas, I'm
Speaker 1: telling me he could have been close to a Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year last year without making the playoffs. Just
Speaker 1: the fact that they went eight Nate and they were
Speaker 1: just without the starting quarterback. And so that's the kind
Speaker 1: of effort that you want to look for you, that's
Speaker 1: the effort that you want to have defensively, say, you
Speaker 1: know what offense, we got you don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: And also facts I wanted to talk. Everyone's still very
Speaker 1: upset about Bostic and the fact that he did not
Speaker 1: get suspended. Is there anything that can be done in
Speaker 1: regards to a different decision or coming to another decision
Speaker 1: on that, because they said as it was, It's been said,
Speaker 1: they said if this was Brady or some superstar quarterback,
Speaker 1: we'd be entirely different attitude. So what do you think
Speaker 1: about it? Yeah, that he should be suspended. I still
Speaker 1: think he should be suspended. Uh do you think if
Speaker 1: he was, if he had more status, do you think
Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, I think so. And and the
Speaker 1: fact that and I can't remember if I said it here,
Speaker 1: I said it on my fan segment. You know, in hockey,
Speaker 1: when when you do that to a player and the
Speaker 1: player is gonna miss time or miss the game, they
Speaker 1: suspend you for about the same amount of time too,
Speaker 1: So uh, you know hockey justice right, So again, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see why you know he shouldn't be suspended.
Speaker 1: You know, I heard I heard Troy Aikman talking about
Speaker 1: it today. And you know, one of the good things
Speaker 1: about Troy is he'll say what he believes. He doesn't
Speaker 1: just pile on with the group. Uh. And he made
Speaker 1: a really good point, and I had said this previously,
Speaker 1: so that's why I think it was a good point.
Speaker 1: He said, look at the experience, and Jerry said it today.
Speaker 1: Look at the experience on the offensive line. Those guys
Speaker 1: number one, they probably didn't see the hit. At number two.
Speaker 1: When you see your quarterback just kind of laying there motionless,
Speaker 1: you go over there to check on him first, right,
Speaker 1: you're not ready to fight, you're not ready to go,
Speaker 1: and you know, get in fifts the cuffs with somebody.
Speaker 1: But think about the offensive line. The guys that were playing,
Speaker 1: those guys highly ever played any football in the National
Speaker 1: Football League, So again you have to take that into account.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Zeke was on the field at
Speaker 1: that point, but no, I just I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: see it. I bet those guys have never been in
Speaker 1: that situation before. It's not like Tyran Smith was out
Speaker 1: there or Lale Collins or Zach Martin. And you've got
Speaker 1: you've got sweat equity with that guy laying on the ground, right, Well,
Speaker 1: this guy just got here. None of those guys had
Speaker 1: played with them, and they probably didn't see what happened. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you look at the replay and
Speaker 1: see what happened, then you go running over to the
Speaker 1: bench and go, Okay, where's that guy. I'm gonna beat
Speaker 1: him up. So this whole thing, everything gets magnified nationally
Speaker 1: when one person says something. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy probably wishes he hadn't said what he said,
Speaker 1: because then everybody piled on that. This team doesn't care,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any heart. Those young guys out there
Speaker 1: are just trying to make a way in this profession.
Speaker 1: There's probably so worried about themselves they didn't even think
Speaker 1: about that. Plus, they would have lost their home games,
Speaker 1: they would have lost their whole game. Check would I
Speaker 1: would give you a bit, just a bit of an
Speaker 1: excuse on that with SPACs. But but but no, these guys,
Speaker 1: whether you play in the pros, whether you play in college,
Speaker 1: or whether you play in high school, it's just an
Speaker 1: attitude that offensive lineman have, and I get it the
Speaker 1: young it's an attitude that all offensive line on every
Speaker 1: level has, and that is to protect your quarterback. They
Speaker 1: didn't have to go over to the bench to find him.
Speaker 1: He was still on the field. Everyone saw the replay.
Speaker 1: Somebody on that field offensively saw what happened. Everyone on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys team didn't miss it. Okay on the field,
Speaker 1: So yes, you're right, they can be a little bit
Speaker 1: cautious about it. But every offensive linement, on every level,
Speaker 1: I've seen them come to the defense. I don't care
Speaker 1: what Mike McCarthy said. It didn't matter to me. That's
Speaker 1: what I saw, and I believe that the moment that
Speaker 1: I saw it. And yes, you can give him a
Speaker 1: pass in a way, but I'm not good. Right, we
Speaker 1: don't have at least partying Mick shot, Mick, Yeah, at
Speaker 1: least you metally finished my answer. Right, I didn't have
Speaker 1: to tell you to shut party. Mick shot a party,
Speaker 1: Mick shot. Don't ever shut up? Shut up. That's a
Speaker 1: good way to finish it. Give us Cherry's line again,
Speaker 1: as if you're saying it, Mickey, shut up and let
Speaker 1: me answer. And the answer is no. What was the
Speaker 1: line about money though? The money? Are you like that one?
Speaker 1: Don't piss off an old man a little money it'll
Speaker 1: get you. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let us
Speaker 1: let us shut up. We're gonna shut up and then
Speaker 1: you say that, and then that way Chris Beam will
Speaker 1: have a drop that he can use going forward. All right,
Speaker 1: I'll say go three, two one go. There's an old adage,
Speaker 1: don't piss off an old man with a little money.
Speaker 1: It'll get you. So now tell us to shut up.
Speaker 1: Now shut up and let me answer. All right, I'll
Speaker 1: not I'll got it up. We got it. We wrap
Speaker 1: up mixed shots and we start looking at these Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: At one thirty tomorrow, Mickey, I'm going to join you
Speaker 1: in the s WBC Mortgage studio. If you were there,
Speaker 1: I will be there tomorrow, and we'll be socially distanced
Speaker 1: and safe. That's exactly right, all right, ever since, we'll
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow, and we'll see all right guys tomorrow
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