1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:23,316 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Your shyness is something that can be worked through 2 00:00:23,516 --> 00:00:25,996 Speaker 1: for people that are listening that are singers that have 3 00:00:26,116 --> 00:00:29,236 Speaker 1: stage fright and are shy. It's not something that necessarily 4 00:00:29,276 --> 00:00:31,756 Speaker 1: has to stop you from doing what you're passionate about. 5 00:00:31,996 --> 00:00:36,196 Speaker 1: It's an opportunity for you to grow from that. That's 6 00:00:36,276 --> 00:00:39,876 Speaker 1: Camila Cabayo, the artist behind hit songs like Havana, Never 7 00:00:39,956 --> 00:00:42,436 Speaker 1: Be the Same and Don't Go Yet. And if you've 8 00:00:42,476 --> 00:00:45,956 Speaker 1: heard her sing, she certainly doesn't sound shy. Just listen 9 00:00:46,036 --> 00:00:48,636 Speaker 1: to her in the most stream song of twenty nineteen. 10 00:00:48,916 --> 00:01:04,396 Speaker 1: Her duet was Shawn Mendez Senoritas. A lot of singers 11 00:01:04,436 --> 00:01:06,716 Speaker 1: I work with grew up really loving being in the 12 00:01:06,756 --> 00:01:11,076 Speaker 1: spotlight and performing in public, but not Kamila. I've heard 13 00:01:11,116 --> 00:01:13,316 Speaker 1: stories of so many great artists being like, you know, 14 00:01:13,356 --> 00:01:15,196 Speaker 1: when I was little, I would put on shows from 15 00:01:15,196 --> 00:01:17,596 Speaker 1: my family, and I would go around my house and 16 00:01:17,636 --> 00:01:19,676 Speaker 1: whoever was willing to listen to me singing, I would 17 00:01:19,676 --> 00:01:21,956 Speaker 1: sing for them. I remember hearing that, especially when I 18 00:01:21,996 --> 00:01:23,516 Speaker 1: was younger and kind of feeling a little bit of 19 00:01:23,516 --> 00:01:26,036 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome or like I was like, oh my god, 20 00:01:26,036 --> 00:01:28,316 Speaker 1: I don't have that. Does that mean that I won't 21 00:01:28,356 --> 00:01:32,116 Speaker 1: be able to achieve or do as much as they did. 22 00:01:32,476 --> 00:01:35,196 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or Beyont. They're like singing since they were little, 23 00:01:35,276 --> 00:01:37,636 Speaker 1: and they don't look shy, and they love it and 24 00:01:37,676 --> 00:01:38,836 Speaker 1: they want to do it in front of people. And 25 00:01:38,876 --> 00:01:41,356 Speaker 1: I was not like that. I would get so embarrassed. 26 00:01:41,396 --> 00:01:47,356 Speaker 1: Sometimes I would start crying. I was so shy. This 27 00:01:47,516 --> 00:01:50,756 Speaker 1: is backstage passed with Eric Vitrow, and I'm Eric Vitro. 28 00:01:51,276 --> 00:01:54,036 Speaker 1: I have to say I love my job because I 29 00:01:54,116 --> 00:01:56,516 Speaker 1: get to coach some of the most talented and famous 30 00:01:56,556 --> 00:01:59,756 Speaker 1: singers working today. On this show, I talked to them 31 00:01:59,796 --> 00:02:02,636 Speaker 1: about their lives, their craft, and how they overcome the 32 00:02:02,676 --> 00:02:08,316 Speaker 1: anxieties and insecurities to so many of us experience. I 33 00:02:08,356 --> 00:02:10,756 Speaker 1: actually auditioned for the chorus in school when I was 34 00:02:10,796 --> 00:02:13,396 Speaker 1: in fourth grade. I got so nervous. I forgot the 35 00:02:13,396 --> 00:02:15,316 Speaker 1: words too. I think it was my country. Tiss of 36 00:02:15,356 --> 00:02:18,076 Speaker 1: Thee was the audition song, and I just kind of 37 00:02:18,076 --> 00:02:20,956 Speaker 1: like froze, and my teacher was like, it's okay. He 38 00:02:21,036 --> 00:02:23,636 Speaker 1: did a great job. And I looked next week at 39 00:02:23,636 --> 00:02:25,916 Speaker 1: the list outside of my homeroom class to see if 40 00:02:25,916 --> 00:02:30,396 Speaker 1: I'd made it. I didn't make it. The first person 41 00:02:30,796 --> 00:02:33,636 Speaker 1: that really made me feel like I could sing well. 42 00:02:33,796 --> 00:02:36,076 Speaker 1: Was my drama teacher when I was in seventh grade, 43 00:02:36,476 --> 00:02:39,236 Speaker 1: because we had this thing where you had to audition 44 00:02:39,316 --> 00:02:41,036 Speaker 1: for the school musical, like it was like part of 45 00:02:41,036 --> 00:02:43,356 Speaker 1: your assignment. You couldn't not do it, and you had 46 00:02:43,396 --> 00:02:47,036 Speaker 1: to do a monologue and sing a song of your choice. 47 00:02:47,156 --> 00:02:50,596 Speaker 1: And however, this was in private, so it was just 48 00:02:50,756 --> 00:02:55,636 Speaker 1: you and a teacher, So my shyness slash stage fright 49 00:02:55,916 --> 00:02:58,396 Speaker 1: wasn't a thing because it was just me and the teacher. 50 00:02:58,876 --> 00:03:02,476 Speaker 1: And so I sang Listen by Beyonce. I was like 51 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:05,956 Speaker 1: in seventh grade. I was like thirteen, and he was like, wow, 52 00:03:06,036 --> 00:03:08,596 Speaker 1: like you can really sing, and he knew that I 53 00:03:08,676 --> 00:03:12,636 Speaker 1: was shy and like I wouldn't voluntarily do something like that. 54 00:03:12,676 --> 00:03:14,236 Speaker 1: It was part of my grade. And he was like, 55 00:03:14,276 --> 00:03:17,276 Speaker 1: if I give you like a large part in the musical, 56 00:03:17,316 --> 00:03:20,676 Speaker 1: will you do it? This is how bad fear can be, guys. 57 00:03:20,676 --> 00:03:23,596 Speaker 1: I was like no, and he gave me a smaller 58 00:03:23,636 --> 00:03:27,076 Speaker 1: part in the musical. And I just like had that 59 00:03:27,156 --> 00:03:31,876 Speaker 1: shyness early on in school. And it was really through 60 00:03:32,036 --> 00:03:35,676 Speaker 1: like growing up and kind of adopting the mentality of like, 61 00:03:35,796 --> 00:03:38,836 Speaker 1: you know what it can take five seconds of bravery 62 00:03:38,876 --> 00:03:41,836 Speaker 1: to change your whole life. Her five seconds of bravery 63 00:03:41,876 --> 00:03:45,116 Speaker 1: came when she auditioned for the singing competition The X Factor. 64 00:03:45,876 --> 00:03:48,356 Speaker 1: I remember when I auditioned for X Factor. My family 65 00:03:48,436 --> 00:03:50,636 Speaker 1: was like, this came out of nowhere, because I didn't 66 00:03:50,676 --> 00:03:52,476 Speaker 1: even sing for my family, So they were like, how 67 00:03:52,476 --> 00:03:54,316 Speaker 1: are you going to sing for the first time ever 68 00:03:54,516 --> 00:03:57,396 Speaker 1: by yourself in front of an audience of a few 69 00:03:57,436 --> 00:04:00,716 Speaker 1: thousand people. Then I just pushed myself to do it. 70 00:04:00,996 --> 00:04:03,636 Speaker 1: My knees were shaken and I'm sure my voice was cracking. 71 00:04:04,156 --> 00:04:07,516 Speaker 1: I remember seeing black dots. I felt like I was 72 00:04:07,516 --> 00:04:10,036 Speaker 1: going to pass out from nerves. But I felt proud 73 00:04:10,036 --> 00:04:12,156 Speaker 1: of myself because I pushed myself to do the thing 74 00:04:12,196 --> 00:04:14,956 Speaker 1: that I was afraid of, and those five seconds of 75 00:04:15,036 --> 00:04:18,556 Speaker 1: bravery really paid off. Her performance on The X Factor 76 00:04:18,876 --> 00:04:21,596 Speaker 1: led to her joining the popular all girls singing group 77 00:04:21,716 --> 00:04:25,076 Speaker 1: Fifth Harmony. I remember like work from home when I 78 00:04:25,116 --> 00:04:27,156 Speaker 1: was fifth in Fifth Harmony, and I had this one 79 00:04:27,676 --> 00:04:29,996 Speaker 1: high note like in the last chorus that was this 80 00:04:30,036 --> 00:04:33,596 Speaker 1: ad lib? What was it? You ain't gotta go to work? 81 00:04:37,756 --> 00:04:48,916 Speaker 1: And I did that ad lib in the studio. But 82 00:04:48,996 --> 00:04:50,916 Speaker 1: then when I would get up on stage and do 83 00:04:50,916 --> 00:04:52,316 Speaker 1: it in front of people. I remember we had to 84 00:04:52,316 --> 00:04:54,836 Speaker 1: perform in front of the Billboard Awards. I would get 85 00:04:54,876 --> 00:04:57,596 Speaker 1: really nervous and crack on the note and miss the note. 86 00:04:57,996 --> 00:05:00,596 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I started working with you that 87 00:05:00,676 --> 00:05:02,796 Speaker 1: we were like, okay, you have you know, the front 88 00:05:02,836 --> 00:05:05,156 Speaker 1: and back support. You open your mouth, you don't tense 89 00:05:05,196 --> 00:05:09,436 Speaker 1: your throat, and then I was consistently hitting that note. 90 00:05:09,676 --> 00:05:12,716 Speaker 1: I actually remember saying, I want you to enjoy doing it. 91 00:05:12,796 --> 00:05:15,516 Speaker 1: I don't want you to fear it totally. I remember 92 00:05:15,556 --> 00:05:18,476 Speaker 1: being on stage and when that note would come up, 93 00:05:18,516 --> 00:05:20,476 Speaker 1: I would be like, oh my god, it's coming, It's coming, 94 00:05:20,876 --> 00:05:23,796 Speaker 1: and you were like, instead of doing that, just be 95 00:05:23,916 --> 00:05:26,076 Speaker 1: like all right, here we go, like I'm ready. And 96 00:05:26,076 --> 00:05:29,356 Speaker 1: it's crazy because it's like all of your thoughts have 97 00:05:29,476 --> 00:05:33,276 Speaker 1: a physiological response. So when you're saying, oh, the note 98 00:05:33,316 --> 00:05:35,636 Speaker 1: is coming, the note is coming, my throat would tighten 99 00:05:35,956 --> 00:05:38,236 Speaker 1: and my mouth would tighten, and that's why I would 100 00:05:38,236 --> 00:05:40,956 Speaker 1: crack because I would tighten too much. What's that thing 101 00:05:40,956 --> 00:05:44,476 Speaker 1: you said to me recently? You were like loose but focused. Ye. 102 00:05:44,916 --> 00:05:48,636 Speaker 1: That whole mentality definitely change things for me a lot. 103 00:05:48,996 --> 00:05:51,276 Speaker 1: And I actually I bet that that happens to a 104 00:05:51,316 --> 00:05:54,516 Speaker 1: lot of people that are singing too, is that they 105 00:05:54,556 --> 00:05:57,596 Speaker 1: sing in their room and they are so comfortable and 106 00:05:57,716 --> 00:05:59,996 Speaker 1: having the best time, and then they get in front 107 00:06:00,036 --> 00:06:02,356 Speaker 1: of a lot of people and that kind of stage 108 00:06:02,356 --> 00:06:05,836 Speaker 1: fright comes with a physiological response and then they're like, 109 00:06:05,876 --> 00:06:07,476 Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't sound as good as I 110 00:06:07,516 --> 00:06:10,196 Speaker 1: do when I'm in my room. And that's like a 111 00:06:10,236 --> 00:06:13,676 Speaker 1: whole other craft's performing in front of other people and 112 00:06:13,716 --> 00:06:16,516 Speaker 1: being able to like to do it well. Yeah, our 113 00:06:16,596 --> 00:06:18,876 Speaker 1: motions take over and that's one of the things we 114 00:06:18,916 --> 00:06:21,196 Speaker 1: have to learn to deal with. But that's what techniques 115 00:06:21,276 --> 00:06:23,716 Speaker 1: all about. And you know, I feel like people need 116 00:06:23,756 --> 00:06:26,516 Speaker 1: to hear. Yeah, you might get nervous now and get scared, 117 00:06:26,556 --> 00:06:29,356 Speaker 1: but you can overcome that. There are techniques you can 118 00:06:29,436 --> 00:06:34,396 Speaker 1: learn to use, and there's mental techniques as well as 119 00:06:34,476 --> 00:06:37,716 Speaker 1: vocal techniques. As you're saying it, I'm thinking back and 120 00:06:37,756 --> 00:06:40,436 Speaker 1: I hadn't really processed this in my mind before. But 121 00:06:41,036 --> 00:06:42,916 Speaker 1: I used to see you get nervous and you would 122 00:06:42,916 --> 00:06:45,516 Speaker 1: always say to me, I'm really nervous, and so we 123 00:06:45,516 --> 00:06:48,476 Speaker 1: would do things like the breathing exercises in your dressing room. 124 00:06:48,516 --> 00:06:51,836 Speaker 1: But it's so strange now I'm realizing that I never 125 00:06:51,876 --> 00:06:56,956 Speaker 1: really was that nervous about you and your anxiety about performing, 126 00:06:57,036 --> 00:07:00,276 Speaker 1: because I always knew somewhere inside of me she's gonna 127 00:07:00,316 --> 00:07:02,916 Speaker 1: get on stage and she's gonna kill it. I've always 128 00:07:02,916 --> 00:07:05,476 Speaker 1: had like a really really vivid imagination, and I think 129 00:07:05,516 --> 00:07:09,836 Speaker 1: that that's really good but also incredible fuel for anxiety 130 00:07:09,876 --> 00:07:12,716 Speaker 1: and nerves, because your mind is just like, here are 131 00:07:12,796 --> 00:07:15,556 Speaker 1: all the scenarios that can go wrong, and suddenly your 132 00:07:15,596 --> 00:07:18,116 Speaker 1: body is living it and you're nervous and your knees 133 00:07:18,116 --> 00:07:20,876 Speaker 1: are shaking. I do remember when I was younger seeing 134 00:07:20,916 --> 00:07:23,396 Speaker 1: Beyonce say something that I was really affected by, where 135 00:07:23,436 --> 00:07:27,676 Speaker 1: she was like, actually, if I'm not nervous, I'm worried 136 00:07:27,716 --> 00:07:30,596 Speaker 1: because it means I don't care as much. So if 137 00:07:30,636 --> 00:07:34,156 Speaker 1: I'm nervous, it means I care about this. My heart 138 00:07:34,236 --> 00:07:37,276 Speaker 1: cares about this, and that nervousness, which is just energy, 139 00:07:37,916 --> 00:07:41,516 Speaker 1: actually just becomes fuel and it makes me hit the 140 00:07:41,596 --> 00:07:44,276 Speaker 1: dance moves with more hunger. It makes me hit that 141 00:07:44,356 --> 00:07:48,436 Speaker 1: note with more hunger. And I hundred percent applied that 142 00:07:48,556 --> 00:07:51,796 Speaker 1: to me, especially an X factor and like in Fort 143 00:07:51,796 --> 00:07:54,556 Speaker 1: Harmonia and still now I kind of say this thing 144 00:07:54,836 --> 00:07:57,116 Speaker 1: in my brain like where I'll feel nervous and I'll 145 00:07:57,156 --> 00:07:59,516 Speaker 1: be like, you know what, great, I want to be 146 00:07:59,596 --> 00:08:02,716 Speaker 1: more nervous, Give me more nerves. I mean, it's honestly 147 00:08:02,836 --> 00:08:08,876 Speaker 1: so crazy how much performing is a mental game. After 148 00:08:08,916 --> 00:08:11,556 Speaker 1: the Great, Kamila talks about the big performance where she 149 00:08:11,676 --> 00:08:20,596 Speaker 1: was able to reframe her anxiety into something positive. Welcome 150 00:08:20,596 --> 00:08:24,116 Speaker 1: back to backstage pass. So when Kamila and I sat 151 00:08:24,156 --> 00:08:26,516 Speaker 1: down to talk, I was curious to hear when things 152 00:08:26,636 --> 00:08:30,156 Speaker 1: changed for her, Like what was the first performance where 153 00:08:30,196 --> 00:08:32,876 Speaker 1: she really felt like she came into her power as 154 00:08:32,916 --> 00:08:37,196 Speaker 1: a singer. The two times that I most remember feeling 155 00:08:37,236 --> 00:08:49,676 Speaker 1: like that were both at the Grammys, especially Havannah. I 156 00:08:49,796 --> 00:08:54,396 Speaker 1: remember for days before that, just like mentally preparing, because 157 00:08:54,516 --> 00:08:57,636 Speaker 1: I would kind of have these little bursts of thoughts. 158 00:08:57,676 --> 00:08:59,956 Speaker 1: That was like before I was meditating, and my what 159 00:09:00,076 --> 00:09:01,996 Speaker 1: if thoughts kind of still had me by the balls, 160 00:09:01,996 --> 00:09:03,836 Speaker 1: and so I would have like these little thoughts of like, 161 00:09:04,276 --> 00:09:06,756 Speaker 1: oh my god, what if I forget my dance break movements? 162 00:09:06,756 --> 00:09:08,596 Speaker 1: And I would just be like I would just kind 163 00:09:08,596 --> 00:09:11,876 Speaker 1: of return it back to gratitude, like I'm so thankful 164 00:09:11,916 --> 00:09:14,396 Speaker 1: that I get to do what I love today, my 165 00:09:14,436 --> 00:09:17,636 Speaker 1: mission and my personal intention for that performance was this 166 00:09:17,716 --> 00:09:20,356 Speaker 1: is for my team, because it was kind of like 167 00:09:20,396 --> 00:09:23,356 Speaker 1: the end of that first album cycle and felt like 168 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:25,636 Speaker 1: my team and I had just like worked really hard. 169 00:09:25,756 --> 00:09:28,076 Speaker 1: I remember saying to myself, this is a celebration. It's 170 00:09:28,116 --> 00:09:30,876 Speaker 1: a celebration, and just like giving it a new context 171 00:09:30,956 --> 00:09:32,876 Speaker 1: as opposed to, oh my god, I'm opening the Grammys 172 00:09:32,876 --> 00:09:35,996 Speaker 1: and this is so nerve wracking, just changing it to 173 00:09:36,156 --> 00:09:39,556 Speaker 1: my personal mission. And I remember at that time too, 174 00:09:40,156 --> 00:09:42,676 Speaker 1: using that philosophy of like, you know what, great, I 175 00:09:42,716 --> 00:09:44,556 Speaker 1: want to be nervous. I want to be nervous. Give 176 00:09:44,596 --> 00:09:47,036 Speaker 1: me more nervous energy. The more nervous energy, the better. 177 00:09:47,396 --> 00:09:51,636 Speaker 1: And I remember really being present when I was on 178 00:09:51,676 --> 00:09:54,636 Speaker 1: that stage. I find that when I'm really nervous, like 179 00:09:54,676 --> 00:09:58,036 Speaker 1: what helps me too is just taking it one second 180 00:09:58,076 --> 00:10:00,836 Speaker 1: at a time, one note at a time, and before 181 00:10:00,876 --> 00:10:03,156 Speaker 1: you know it, you're at the end of the performance. 182 00:10:03,236 --> 00:10:04,996 Speaker 1: But you can't be thinking about that. You have to 183 00:10:05,036 --> 00:10:07,076 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, it's the first few seconds of the song. 184 00:10:07,276 --> 00:10:09,916 Speaker 1: I'm going to open my mouth, use my breath support, 185 00:10:09,996 --> 00:10:12,236 Speaker 1: focus on this note. Now, I'm going to focus on 186 00:10:12,236 --> 00:10:15,796 Speaker 1: this note. Now, I'm gonna put my emotion into this sentence. 187 00:10:15,836 --> 00:10:17,956 Speaker 1: So if you just take it like one second at 188 00:10:17,956 --> 00:10:20,876 Speaker 1: a time, you just have to trust that that carries 189 00:10:20,916 --> 00:10:23,596 Speaker 1: you over. When you don't have the right mindset, it's 190 00:10:23,636 --> 00:10:27,156 Speaker 1: like you can practice more than anybody and your mind 191 00:10:27,236 --> 00:10:31,156 Speaker 1: won't let you even enjoy the fruits of your labor. 192 00:10:31,836 --> 00:10:34,356 Speaker 1: If you look at it emotionally, you're like, oh my god, 193 00:10:34,436 --> 00:10:36,516 Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of people, But objectively you're like, 194 00:10:36,596 --> 00:10:39,436 Speaker 1: I literally have done this a million times. I've done 195 00:10:39,756 --> 00:10:42,796 Speaker 1: this song with Eric like a million times. In the beginning, 196 00:10:42,836 --> 00:10:44,476 Speaker 1: I didn't hit all of these notes. Now I know 197 00:10:44,556 --> 00:10:47,396 Speaker 1: exactly how to so now it's just like, just do 198 00:10:47,476 --> 00:10:51,676 Speaker 1: it and enjoy it. I've bombed performances and cracked on 199 00:10:51,796 --> 00:10:54,156 Speaker 1: national TV. I did the best with what I could 200 00:10:54,156 --> 00:10:56,956 Speaker 1: at the time, and then I FaceTime do the next day, 201 00:10:56,956 --> 00:10:58,316 Speaker 1: and then we worked at it, and then next time 202 00:10:58,356 --> 00:11:02,356 Speaker 1: I didn't mess up anymore. Everybody messes up. Everybody has 203 00:11:02,356 --> 00:11:06,556 Speaker 1: had stage fright, everybody's nervous before. Everybody let their nerves 204 00:11:06,596 --> 00:11:09,476 Speaker 1: get to them at some point. That's not failure, that's 205 00:11:09,516 --> 00:11:12,956 Speaker 1: just a part of living. A huge part of becoming 206 00:11:12,956 --> 00:11:16,076 Speaker 1: a singer is dealing with nerves, but another big part 207 00:11:16,236 --> 00:11:20,396 Speaker 1: is finding your own voice. I'd never had voice lessons before. 208 00:11:20,676 --> 00:11:24,116 Speaker 1: When I first met you, that's the first time I 209 00:11:24,156 --> 00:11:26,876 Speaker 1: really was introduced to the technique of singing, and that 210 00:11:27,556 --> 00:11:32,676 Speaker 1: completely changed my life because before I feel like I 211 00:11:32,756 --> 00:11:35,716 Speaker 1: had like stylistic stuff that I liked and that I 212 00:11:35,756 --> 00:11:39,036 Speaker 1: integrated into how I sang, like from other people like 213 00:11:39,196 --> 00:11:42,996 Speaker 1: Demi or Justin Bieber. But I definitely feel like I 214 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:45,916 Speaker 1: incorporated a lot of the stuff they did stylistically from them, 215 00:11:45,916 --> 00:11:47,756 Speaker 1: Like I know, like Demi used to do when I 216 00:11:47,796 --> 00:11:52,156 Speaker 1: was younger, like decays a real decais me, like kind 217 00:11:52,156 --> 00:11:55,116 Speaker 1: of do this breath thing at the end of words 218 00:11:55,156 --> 00:11:58,356 Speaker 1: like me, and I do that still like I've always 219 00:11:58,356 --> 00:12:00,916 Speaker 1: done that. So there's kind of like different inflections that 220 00:12:00,956 --> 00:12:02,916 Speaker 1: I feel like I've taken from those people, Like now 221 00:12:03,076 --> 00:12:06,636 Speaker 1: I'll be like you babe, and I'll like do that 222 00:12:06,716 --> 00:12:09,316 Speaker 1: like breath thing, because I learned it from her. That's 223 00:12:09,356 --> 00:12:12,036 Speaker 1: just like how I grew up singing. I feel like 224 00:12:12,076 --> 00:12:14,476 Speaker 1: I couldn't say that that's all me because I feel 225 00:12:14,476 --> 00:12:18,236 Speaker 1: like probably so many people influence to me and like 226 00:12:18,396 --> 00:12:22,876 Speaker 1: keep influencing me. You taught me, like really the technique 227 00:12:22,956 --> 00:12:25,916 Speaker 1: on how to you know, make my voice sound less 228 00:12:25,996 --> 00:12:28,476 Speaker 1: nasally and more clear, or be able to have like 229 00:12:28,476 --> 00:12:31,036 Speaker 1: a longer range of notes and be able to hit 230 00:12:31,116 --> 00:12:35,356 Speaker 1: high notes consistently and not hit them because I was nervous. 231 00:12:35,476 --> 00:12:37,836 Speaker 1: I look back at, you know, some of the songs 232 00:12:37,876 --> 00:12:40,196 Speaker 1: that I sang, especially when I was younger, and it 233 00:12:40,236 --> 00:12:42,036 Speaker 1: was like more nasal than I wanted it to be. 234 00:12:42,076 --> 00:12:43,716 Speaker 1: And I told you that. I was like, you know, 235 00:12:43,756 --> 00:12:46,756 Speaker 1: I would be like and I would be like, I 236 00:12:46,756 --> 00:12:49,156 Speaker 1: don't want to sound that nasal. And we worked on 237 00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:52,316 Speaker 1: that to the point where now in that part of 238 00:12:52,316 --> 00:12:54,436 Speaker 1: my tone, I took that out and I don't feel 239 00:12:54,476 --> 00:12:57,476 Speaker 1: like I sound nasal anymore. Like the technique of singing 240 00:12:58,156 --> 00:13:02,076 Speaker 1: really changed how my voice sounded, and I remember liking 241 00:13:02,076 --> 00:13:04,516 Speaker 1: how my voice sounded so much better. And it's crazy 242 00:13:04,596 --> 00:13:07,196 Speaker 1: how you can have, you know, like a seed of 243 00:13:07,236 --> 00:13:10,676 Speaker 1: like a talent or whatever, but the technique is truly 244 00:13:10,716 --> 00:13:14,676 Speaker 1: like what makes you grow a craft? Do you have 245 00:13:14,716 --> 00:13:19,116 Speaker 1: a favorite vocal exercise? My favorite vocal exercises are just 246 00:13:19,156 --> 00:13:24,396 Speaker 1: the very simple, stretchy ones like he or just like 247 00:13:24,436 --> 00:13:26,596 Speaker 1: the simple ones that you start me out with, like 248 00:13:26,596 --> 00:13:31,036 Speaker 1: what's like that, Mama that we start out with, Mamma, Yes, 249 00:13:31,196 --> 00:13:35,276 Speaker 1: that's my favorite one. That's my favorite one really, Mamma, mamma. 250 00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:40,356 Speaker 1: Love it. Just stretchy, simple, nice, feels like a little 251 00:13:40,436 --> 00:13:44,196 Speaker 1: massage on my vocal chords. I like that. I like 252 00:13:44,396 --> 00:13:49,036 Speaker 1: that a lot. So if I played this, that's the 253 00:13:49,076 --> 00:13:51,996 Speaker 1: one you would like. Love that. Sing it. Let me 254 00:13:52,036 --> 00:13:57,876 Speaker 1: hear you sing it. We love that. And that's so 255 00:13:58,036 --> 00:13:59,996 Speaker 1: funny to me because I always think of you as 256 00:14:00,076 --> 00:14:02,436 Speaker 1: someone who loves being challenged, and you always say to me, 257 00:14:02,596 --> 00:14:05,076 Speaker 1: challenge me, challenge me. So it's so funny to hear 258 00:14:05,116 --> 00:14:07,276 Speaker 1: you say you really enjoy that one. It's such a 259 00:14:07,356 --> 00:14:09,556 Speaker 1: simple one. And yet I guess I shouldn't be surprised 260 00:14:09,556 --> 00:14:11,916 Speaker 1: because so many people have said the same thing. I 261 00:14:12,076 --> 00:14:15,756 Speaker 1: love being challenged. The whole philosophy of stoicism I love 262 00:14:15,836 --> 00:14:17,876 Speaker 1: and like one of the things about stoicism is the 263 00:14:17,956 --> 00:14:21,916 Speaker 1: obstacle is the way, Like whatever's challenging you, whatever you're resisting, 264 00:14:21,996 --> 00:14:24,636 Speaker 1: whatever's making you afraid, that's the way, Like that's what 265 00:14:24,756 --> 00:14:27,236 Speaker 1: you have to do. So I do love being challenged 266 00:14:27,236 --> 00:14:29,836 Speaker 1: because I know that, you know, with the ear training 267 00:14:29,916 --> 00:14:32,316 Speaker 1: and like with the you know, the complicated patterns, or 268 00:14:32,356 --> 00:14:34,756 Speaker 1: with the notes that are minor and a little bit weird, 269 00:14:35,116 --> 00:14:37,996 Speaker 1: I know that's going to change my ear in good 270 00:14:38,036 --> 00:14:40,396 Speaker 1: ways and probably going to change my songwriting and the 271 00:14:40,476 --> 00:14:42,076 Speaker 1: melodies that I come up with. So I'm like, okay, 272 00:14:42,476 --> 00:14:46,396 Speaker 1: that's the way forward. However, the most relaxing, nice thing 273 00:14:46,476 --> 00:14:48,636 Speaker 1: for me are definitely the simpler ones, but I know 274 00:14:48,716 --> 00:14:50,276 Speaker 1: the challenging ones are the ones that I have to 275 00:14:50,356 --> 00:14:53,916 Speaker 1: do more right, So we keep a balance of both. Yeah, totally. 276 00:14:54,556 --> 00:14:56,316 Speaker 1: I was trying to think about it the other day. 277 00:14:56,436 --> 00:14:58,596 Speaker 1: Do you know how long we've known each other? I 278 00:14:58,756 --> 00:15:01,676 Speaker 1: found a photograph of you and I that dates all 279 00:15:01,756 --> 00:15:05,716 Speaker 1: the way back to twenty thirteen. That's insane. I mean, 280 00:15:05,836 --> 00:15:10,276 Speaker 1: you are one of those once in a lifetime teachers, 281 00:15:10,636 --> 00:15:13,756 Speaker 1: like in all ways, not just vocally, but just like 282 00:15:13,956 --> 00:15:17,276 Speaker 1: as a person and your soul that you come around 283 00:15:17,396 --> 00:15:20,396 Speaker 1: and you like really change lives and you improve the 284 00:15:20,476 --> 00:15:23,076 Speaker 1: lives of all of your students. I mean, you've literally 285 00:15:23,796 --> 00:15:26,396 Speaker 1: seen me go from nervous wreck to less a little 286 00:15:26,396 --> 00:15:29,156 Speaker 1: bit less of a nervous wreck, way less of a 287 00:15:29,276 --> 00:15:33,196 Speaker 1: nervous wreck. Your shyness is something that can be worked 288 00:15:33,196 --> 00:15:35,876 Speaker 1: through for people that are listening that are singers that 289 00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:38,556 Speaker 1: have stage fright and are shy. It's not something that 290 00:15:38,716 --> 00:15:42,196 Speaker 1: necessarily has to stop you from doing what you're passionate about. 291 00:15:42,316 --> 00:15:46,356 Speaker 1: It's an opportunity for you to grow from that. If 292 00:15:46,436 --> 00:15:49,556 Speaker 1: you don't do what you're afraid of, that thing suddenly 293 00:15:49,636 --> 00:15:51,996 Speaker 1: has power over you. That thing suddenly has a hold 294 00:15:52,076 --> 00:15:55,196 Speaker 1: on you. And that's something that I carry that helps 295 00:15:55,236 --> 00:15:57,396 Speaker 1: me a lot in my career nowadays too, because I 296 00:15:57,476 --> 00:16:00,396 Speaker 1: think that a lot of people don't realize, like in life, 297 00:16:00,556 --> 00:16:02,076 Speaker 1: it's not like you do the thing you're afraid of 298 00:16:02,156 --> 00:16:04,676 Speaker 1: and then you're never afraid again. Your whole life, you're 299 00:16:04,676 --> 00:16:06,916 Speaker 1: going to be afraid of things. And I think what 300 00:16:07,596 --> 00:16:11,396 Speaker 1: makes the difference and how I define successes pushing myself 301 00:16:11,436 --> 00:16:13,636 Speaker 1: to do those things that I'm afraid of and proving 302 00:16:13,716 --> 00:16:16,316 Speaker 1: to myself, not for anybody else, but proving to myself, 303 00:16:16,796 --> 00:16:18,596 Speaker 1: I'm not going to let this thing have a hold 304 00:16:18,636 --> 00:16:20,236 Speaker 1: of me, and you know what, I'm going to go 305 00:16:20,356 --> 00:16:23,116 Speaker 1: out there and feel the fear and do it anyway. 306 00:16:24,916 --> 00:16:27,276 Speaker 1: Stay tuned and we'll be right back with our vocal 307 00:16:27,316 --> 00:16:44,796 Speaker 1: tip of the week. I think probably the most familiar sound, 308 00:16:44,876 --> 00:16:47,916 Speaker 1: the most familiar musical exercise that everyone has heard at 309 00:16:47,996 --> 00:16:50,636 Speaker 1: one point or another in their life. When someone is 310 00:16:50,636 --> 00:17:00,036 Speaker 1: practicing the piano or practicing their singing is scales. Everyone 311 00:17:00,076 --> 00:17:02,316 Speaker 1: has heard a major scale like that at least once 312 00:17:02,396 --> 00:17:04,956 Speaker 1: in their life, but there are many variations that are 313 00:17:05,076 --> 00:17:07,436 Speaker 1: valuable when you want to stretch yourself and reach your 314 00:17:07,476 --> 00:17:09,836 Speaker 1: full potential. I'm going to show you one of those 315 00:17:09,956 --> 00:17:22,796 Speaker 1: variations today. It sounds like this. I would recommend practicing 316 00:17:22,836 --> 00:17:25,836 Speaker 1: it and holding the top note, sometimes with vibrato and 317 00:17:25,956 --> 00:17:28,596 Speaker 1: sometimes without, so that you get used to being able 318 00:17:28,636 --> 00:17:32,796 Speaker 1: to do either easily. Bases, baritones and tenors. Why don't 319 00:17:32,836 --> 00:18:29,876 Speaker 1: you start on a sea below middle C? Sopranos and 320 00:18:29,956 --> 00:18:32,196 Speaker 1: alto's A good spot for you to start would be 321 00:18:32,276 --> 00:19:35,636 Speaker 1: on a B flat right below middle C. That's it, 322 00:19:36,076 --> 00:19:38,396 Speaker 1: nice and simple. If you want to share how you 323 00:19:38,516 --> 00:19:41,156 Speaker 1: sing your scales, I'd love to hear you. Use the 324 00:19:41,236 --> 00:19:45,796 Speaker 1: hashtag Backstage passpod on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, or wherever you 325 00:19:45,956 --> 00:19:48,396 Speaker 1: like to post. I can't wait to see your videos. 326 00:19:48,636 --> 00:19:54,596 Speaker 1: I'll see you next week maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe 327 00:19:54,756 --> 00:20:03,996 Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe. 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