WEBVTT - Erick Sermon Part 1 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:14.600 Here we Go, Here we go, Ladies and gentlemen, we 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:20.320 are closing out. Are in twenty twenty four season, our 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.240 abundant season of Quest Love Supreme. We've had some really 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.920 really amazing conversation, especially with a lot of my hip 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.080 hop peers this year alone, you know, talking to the 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.519 B Minors and the Rizza at Rock and the BEASTI Boys, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:40.040 Pete Rock and Common Foreign Exchange and Jonathan Schecter of 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:41.400 The Source, to name a few. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.000 And I will say that today is no. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.479 Exception in terms of us giving flowers to hip hop Royalty. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.000 What can I say? 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.960 All the episodes of Quest Love Supreme are long overdue, 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:59.160 but this, more than any, is really really really overdue. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.600 I will really go out on a limb and say 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:05.880 that as a producer. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:07.600 All right, let me put it this way. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.080 You know, like every time I'm telling you guys in 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:16.399 Questlove Supreme world that the pioneer always gets overlooked and 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.800 it's the person that comes in second that kind of 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.320 gets all the credit. I will say that our guest 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:27.679 today is probably the first person I thought about in 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.760 terms of pure production innovation. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:38.520 That is so accessible and so effective that. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.360 He never truly ever gets the credit that he deserves 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.480 for a lot of the ideas that he first started 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:51.280 doing in hip hop that we now just take for granted, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.520 not to mention. As I said in the ad Rock episode, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.760 you know, as Guru said, is mostly the voice our 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.800 guest today has probably one of my favorite all time voices. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.520 At a time of most people, especially in the classic era, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:10.200 were yelling like run brought in the yelling era. Is 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:17.480 something to me about monotone sinister delivery that to me 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.640 is more scarier than you're like your hardcore delivery, or 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.600 you're like hyped up, loudest person in the room, like 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.359 the person that says it low key and they mean business. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:29.160 That person scares you. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.239 The silent person scares you more than the person that's 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.120 on you to death. There's so much we can say, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.280 but I just got to say that, you know, this 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.560 is long overdue. He's a founder member of one of 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.679 the best rap duos of all time, ep m D, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:51.040 member of Death Squad. He's producer for himself, Redman, Keith Murray, 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:56.320 Ll Tupot, Luke, Chris black Street, and on It's about 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.120 time we had a conversation with the with the green 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.480 eyed You know what I'm saying, give it up for 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:07.840 the one and only Eric Sermon and aka Erico NASA's. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.040 I thought he had a long intro. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.440 Oh dog, I'm the king of long intest so you 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.359 are the You just killed. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.840 Him like that like that. It's like, yo, damn, that 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:20.760 is crazy. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.600 But dude, there's people out there that take notice. They 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.960 take notice. Look, I have so many questions that ask you, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.640 and you know, this is one of the joys of 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.519 doing one on one sessions that you know, but I'm 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.800 just gonna kind of rapid fire all the things I 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:37.920 ever wanted to ask you. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.920 Of course, I'll start from the beginning. Tell us where 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:41.720 you were born. Brother. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.760 I was born in base show A, Long Island, which 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.360 is the same hospital lokuj was born in, which is 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:49.360 Southside Hospital. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:50.000 Word. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.960 Okay, so you're from Long Island, right, from Long Island. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.480 Most rappers like migrated to Long Island, but you were 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:56.960 born there. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:58.040 Yeah, born Long Island. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.640 Yes, it's just like the met the man's and the 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.240 priories and people that don't want to kind of say, 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:04.320 but they are Long Islanders. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:04.880 You know what I'm saying. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.760 I did not know that they were born in Long Island. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.600 Yes, yes, and Todd Smith too, he said he migrated 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.840 too Queens but he was born in Long Island. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.720 But yeah, but we After that, I. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.120 Went to Hawaian Dance, which is where my mom and 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.640 them grew up after they came from Florida, which is 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.599 where Rock Kim is from. So my mother used to 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.720 hang out with Rock Kim's older brothers and sisters. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.400 This is a crazy, crazy story, like. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.120 Not knowing that pretty soon HUDs someha's become famous and 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.800 Rock Kim would become famous. So then I moved from 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.640 near to a town called Brentwood. Is where I learned 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.920 all my stuff from. I learned how to rap, I 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.360 learned how to break dance, I learned how to just. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.520 Know what hip hop was, graffiti. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.119 All that stuff came from a town called Brentwood, which 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.240 is where pretty soon I ended up meeting Parish Act. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.279 What was your first musical memory in life? 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.000 Well, it got to be with my dad. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.520 Dad, like any other family shoe that played so many records. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.760 My dad was a can't really call him a collector 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.240 though too though quest it was like he just had 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.720 every record, every album was sitting in front of this, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.640 you know, when backed up against the speaker or or 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.400 against whatever the record player was, so all the records 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.520 was out there. That was my first experience of him 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.200 just playing records back to back to back to back. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.880 And that's how my first introduction to to getting to 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.200 being so involved knowing what music sound. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.920 Like, what kind of records was he was he playing? 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.360 Oh man, uh, he was playing everything from Teddy penny 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.680 Grass to Blue Magic, all the way down to the Whispers, 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.080 to the Temptations, to Howl, Melvin the Blue Nose. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.799 That was his favorite group, you know, the the Spinners. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.920 And then after that he started going into Funkadelic in 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.320 the Parliament of course, and you know, and and all 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.520 the stuff to Rick James. So it started he had 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.479 a bass of music. But they started with the seventies first, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.359 then it started going into you know, the late seventies. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:58.840 So he was just a music lover. He wasn't a 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.320 DJ or anything music. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.640 They bought albums and bring them home and played them. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.560 What did your parents do for a living? What did 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.000 your household look like growing up? 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:10.200 My parents worked for the mentally challenged children for like 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:11.760 over twenty five years. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.039 Do you have a siblings. Are you the only child 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:14.840 or do you have. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.760 Two sisters two below me, one two years below me, 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:18.919 in one four years below me. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:25.600 Okay, some of my favorite talent in hip hop came 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.279 from Long Island. Yet I always wondered what the other 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:36.720 Burroughs were doing at the time when hip hop was 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.479 developing in the Bronx. Was it as fruitful in the 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.960 other boroughs like Queens Brooklyn, Staten Island? 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:44.880 Right? 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.760 So what was your first hip hop experience? 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.800 I think again, in the neighborhood. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.120 The neighborhood had house parties and we had these days 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.799 and almost because we I lived in a town called 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.440 Regis Park, so it had like it was like a 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.279 thirteen block radius, but out of the six blocks it 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.640 was DJ's. Out of the sixth block, it was MC's. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.680 Like I'm telling you, if people would see where I 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.280 came from, if you didn't know about the Bronx, though, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.040 you would think, yo, this way hip hop back because 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.960 we had everything. And when I tell you, everybody was nice, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.800 well my eyes, because whoever I looked at it was 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.280 all nice on the set and all nice rhyming and breakdancing. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.720 Because a lot of Long Island. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.880 Kids so too, went went to go to the city 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.080 to go do breakdancing contests with the big breakdancers back then. 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.160 So but again that happened to be the neighborhood that. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.840 That was my first hip hop experience, maybe at twelve 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.480 years old, sneaking out the window to a house party 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:41.480 around the corner. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.560 And they were MC's and DJ oh. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:44.960 Hell yeah, hell yeah. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.800 I mean we had some kids, anybody know, a guy 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.760 named Bergermeister, a kid named Frank B, a guy named 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.040 a Z, a guy named Bourn. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.000 You know, it was the five per center born c 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:01.000 Asiatic was there. It was all all five percent names. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.280 Did you ever cross paths with any other notable figures 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.440 of hip hop? Like I always hear Biz story or yeah, 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:09.520 the first one is Biz. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.680 Definitely that that that's it's gonna always be Biz. Biz 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.800 came to my junior high school in a lunch room. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:16.800 Did he go to that school? 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:22.000 Because everything No, everybody from Long Island says the same thing. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.360 Biz came to my school. But yet Biz never went 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:26.520 to that school. 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.800 Never went there. They just loved him. People might make 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.960 a joke though and say, yo, is he Jesus Christ 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:31.240 or not? 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.640 Because he had no call, But He was at every function. 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.280 He was at every town. He was at everything that 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:39.920 went on. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.480 When you hear the stories that oh yo llo yeah, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.000 will say, yeah, Biz got me at rock him. Oh yeah, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.920 Bis took me to such and such. Oh yeah, such, 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.040 Biz took me to He was everywhere and didn't have 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.200 a call, but he took the train and managed to 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.120 be everywhere. He left the places of Long Island where 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.160 I'm like, yo, Bis isn't from there. No, he was, 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.480 he said for three years or he was over I'm like, no, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.679 he's from no man, he was because he lived next 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.320 to my DJ, Diamond J on the same block on 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:08.079 Noble Street. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.199 That Noble Street when you hear him in the Record 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.520 Street block from Diamond Okay, and Diamond Schelle was his brother. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.480 So again they lived on that block. But he's also 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.400 saying that he lived in Careham. He lived in over 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.720 here in Patchog. He lived because his printerval was in Patchog. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.319 I mean the way. So I'm like, and then all 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.240 of a sudden you're in Jersey, and then. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.319 You and brooks At obviously wear more every day, and 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.760 then and then you go to Baltimore and spend the 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.040 rest of your life there. So yeah, bizmal Key was 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.560 the first one before I got famous. Then of course 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.120 Long Island. You know Chuck D. You know, you start going, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.400 then you start seeing E. P. M. D rock Him 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.080 and then Daylight so and then please the new school. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.040 I mean, I'm not hating, but if you take Long 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.479 Island out the mix. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.319 All my favorite acts come from Long Island. You don't 0:09:59.320 --> 0:09:59.800 have to tell me. 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.640 To Then you got JBC Force, Keith Murray, k Solo. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.480 Now you got to look at it's you know what 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:06.920 I'm saying, it's a problem. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.640 How often would you go to the city? Was there 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.840 ever need to go. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.920 To Manhattan or Harlem or any of those other spots 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.760 I'm talking free EPMD. I'm just talking about like before 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.120 you even had a record deal, Like was most of 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.480 your life just in Long Island? 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.079 Qus, you're the first one that ever asked that question 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.040 in life, And that's a dupe question. If I never 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.120 got famous, I don't know if I were have. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:36.520 Seen the city. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.719 I was already seeing Brooklyn because my family is from 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.760 ping Houses, so I was already in ping Houses in 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.719 East New York all the time. But as far as 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.719 me seeing again, when I went to the Parlom and 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.240 I parked outside. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.440 I called my mother to God. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:59.120 Visited as of man's black people everywhere, we don't have 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.720 that Long Island is that birth Puerto Rican white and 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:06.000 black right ques. I pulled over and I parked, and 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.400 my Samura Suzuki, and I just stood there like this 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:10.800 looking around. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:13.920 I saw Aaron Hall. I said, Aaron coming for some 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.440 quick second. So Aaron came over. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.400 He went to another bar, of course, the street from 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.520 the Apollo right, and and but I saw a lot 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.720 of people. But I just saw so many black folks. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.439 And I don't think that I would have been able 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.560 to see that because there was no need for me 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.600 to go to the city, being from Long Island. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.440 Long Island was his own place. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:35.760 What was it like? 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.440 Like what we knew of Long Island was of course 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:42.079 like Amityville Horror or like it was these suburbs. It 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.480 wasn't anything close to what the Bronx looked like in 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.560 wild Style or anything like. So what was a typical 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.960 day like as a teenager in Long Island? 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:51.240 Not the same? 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:52.680 Like and so far as like do you have a 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.720 look at Compton and watch some stuff with palm trees 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.800 and the whole and the same thing, So like, why 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:58.600 can make that line? 0:11:58.600 --> 0:11:59.880 They where you from? Us? Where you at? 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.840 The whole time was the fact that we still had 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.960 the same drama, still had games, We still had had 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.960 the competation between Puerto Ricans and blacks and white and black. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.880 It's the same. We had the same thing. It was 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.160 like before. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:17.040 Keith Murray l D came, game came, it was Barcelona, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.960 which was Puerto Ricans and these guys. Wasn't happening. This 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.640 is what Brentwood was. Brentwood was Puerto Rican, black and white. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.920 It was a mixture. So that's how we lived. So 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.280 so we was all friends too. That was in school 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.559 and me and Parish. I don't know if you've heard 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.360 this before. We had two high schools next to each other. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.360 So I went to Ross, he went to Syland on 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.800 the same property. It was kind of it was. It 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.120 was weird, but nobody never seen two high schools next 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:45.880 next to each other. You know what I'm saying? 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:46.840 Got it? 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.120 What was your entry into being in hip hop? Did 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.199 you start out as a DJ? Were you trying to 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:52.920 MC like? 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.320 So it's funny you say that first of all came 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:57.079 from soul training. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.960 Shallamar had this kid in there that was called the 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.920 pop a Long Kid, so I took his name. I 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.679 don't know if anybody I know people. I'm taking y'all 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:10.920 back though, too. Yes, inside Shallamar. The other member was 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.720 the ill Popper, so I took his name. I began 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.160 doing that. All of a sudden, my mom comes home 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:23.920 from her job with two twelve inches okay, apache with 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.640 the green label right. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.960 Right, and she brung home rappers a light okay. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:31.880 And it changed everything for me. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.960 Then my cousin down the street, since there was so 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:41.480 many DJs, he bought turntables, so I was able to 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.040 have that too. So I was he would bring home 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.520 Fat Boys and and bring home the new mally Mall, 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.800 bring home the Fantastic for the Phillis for. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.840 He would bring home all these new records, uh. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.160 And so, and I used to just be spinning them. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.520 So but while I'm spinning them, of course, the Fat 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.280 Boys had me like. I was just like, well, these 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.439 guys are just razy. All of a sudden, well, me 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.079 and Paris was getting ready to get on. I did 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.640 this give you the one thing We drove to the 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.720 city to go buy to go buy sucking seeds? 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.040 Really, yes, there was no place in Long Island too, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.040 did they didn't have that record? 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.960 What did you attend any like spectrum city parties? 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.800 Like those parties at Hank Shockley and Chuck de And 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.400 and Keith Shackley used to throw in Long Island at all. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.920 I did not know about none of them until I 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:35.880 got on tour with them. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.400 I have no clue about. All I know was about 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:38.920 my section. 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:40.000 Got it. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.520 We just called all right, so tell me how you 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:44.960 met Paris Smith? 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.680 Okay, well, but where I was at and we just parked. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.680 The house that we was written had got rat infested, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.200 like I mean, they was coming from out of nowhere. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.600 I mean it was like some city you see on 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.840 Ben or the movie like that. So and we couldn't 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.920 control it, and the landlord was acting like she didn't 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.880 want to fix it right, So my mom's called her 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.000 mother and Grandma was like, okay, well, y'all come over 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.360 here then, So we ended up staying there while mommy 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.160 stacked her paper up. So at the bus stop I 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:23.960 saw a Parish because he's on the next block. I 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:28.080 moved to Belgrave, he's on Abingdon. So I see him 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.640 at the bus stop and he didn't know me, and 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.440 he snapped on me on the second day because you know, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.680 I had an the tiger on, I had the leaves on, 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:37.320 but I had. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:38.520 The wrong pumas. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.280 The pumas was invaders and not baskets because they didn't 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.720 have the hose around the logo, so you know they 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.040 was fake because because basket puomers are the real ones 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.960 with the holes around it. Mine didn't have no hose 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.680 around the logo and they wasn't baskets. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.120 So before it was one of before it was like 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:58.840 one of those. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.280 He did it first back then, so he snapped on me, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:05.680 so I was like, oh So I was like, oh, okay, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:06.200 you got jokes. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:06.760 You got jokes. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.160 So after that he found out where I was from. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.120 See where I'm from. When it comes to Long Island, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:16.720 people know about Reese's Park. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.160 What was it about it? 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.600 It was the coacher and it was the people over 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.920 there who got busy. Everybody in there right now have 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.680 went to prison or did some time or with like 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:28.200 stick up boys or whatever. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:29.600 Where I'm from is no joke. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.760 So that point of town me coming over there made 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.520 me cool, you know what I mean? 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.880 Even though he knew them people. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.400 Because his sisters knew them, and his older brothers knew 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.640 who they were too. So once you knew where I 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.520 was from, it made me cool. And then I said, yo, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.680 I raped, and that was it. He's like, yo, let 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.240 me hear you rap. So when you hear Jane, Jane 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.600 was one of my first raps I had. I had 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.400 that when I was when I was twelve years old. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.560 What So I ended up taking Jane with me when 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.800 I met him at fourteen. And I had a burnoud 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.840 get story the one who who who shout tried to 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.480 train along out right. So I had those two stories. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.040 So I roped that story for him all of a sudden. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.840 Parents used to have me go to his school and 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.040 rap for his boys, like yo, man, check out, check out. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.000 This kid boom boom. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.760 Because Powers never rhymed the DJ, he never rapped what 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:25.919 until he met me? 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.840 Okay, So this is what I find odd one. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:35.119 This is the second story of a legendary duo whose 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:40.800 origins start with ranking on each other. Because before Prodigy 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:46.879 passed away, he told the story that basically that he 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:51.320 realized Havoc and his boys were about to rob him, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.320 you know, on like the first week of school or something. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.600 They were plotting on robbing him and then. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.159 I'm out, like last minute, like they decided not to 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.760 like they they were going to start out as enemies, 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.480 but then they became boys. 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.640 So it's funny that that's how you two started. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:12.520 I don't know it. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:12.679 There. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.720 You said that your original MC name was going to 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:16.600 be Populong Kid. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.879 Explain to me the evolution of EPMD, because y'all have 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.680 spelled it so many crazy ways before you just finally 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.680 decided on your actual name. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.160 But what was your original name? Your MC name? 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.399 Yeah, but the popagon Kill was my dancing name. I 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.760 didn't have the MC name yet. When e pm D 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:42.240 was getting put together, I used Eric sermon inside my rhymes, 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.119 and when I could walk through the crowd and I 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.560 can see you has turned, I hear voices saying that's 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:47.280 everic sermon. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:48.200 I didn't have that. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.919 So then when you got to chill, came to the 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:56.280 E double E. Don't know where that came from. I 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.560 think it came from where the name was spelled. At first, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:04.960 it was spelled E P E E M D right e. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.760 So it was spelled but Paris used to be like, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.760 I'm the P double E M D E E. So 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.560 I must have took it from him, like, okay, well 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:15.399 you're the P double. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:16.600 I'm the E double E. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.120 Then, even though you weren't in the E double, even 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:20.920 though I don't know. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.920 What the E double was stand for because I don't. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.920 Again, it's not like MC Breed where he could say 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.879 there's two e's and breed. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.880 So he was I'm the E double. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.080 I proclaimed my name, even though I got on him 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:33.440