WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Gotta Look Sharp

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<v Speaker 1>Hike and everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth podcast The God Will Look Sharp. Addition

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<v Speaker 1>a little old school Joe Jackson there as my broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss the final week

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<v Speaker 1>of voluntary offseason practices. We'll discuss Tuesday's open to the

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<v Speaker 1>media workout, and lap will share some of the names

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<v Speaker 1>of so called under the radar guys that have caught

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<v Speaker 1>his eye over the past few weeks. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals draft picks that is expected to play a significant

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<v Speaker 1>role as a rookie is second rounder Drew Sample, the

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<v Speaker 1>tight end out of Washington. We'll hear from thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old James Casey, the Bengals new tight ends coach,

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<v Speaker 1>on why he is excited to have Sample on the roster.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this week's fun Facts interview, I'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals quarterbacks coach Alex van Pelt about a wide variety

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<v Speaker 1>of topics, ranging from breaking Dan Marino's passing records at

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<v Speaker 1>pitt to singing on stage with Hank Williams Junior. All

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<v Speaker 1>That's k n e SS. Now, let's get to football

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<v Speaker 1>as I bring in my broadcast partner Dave Lapham lap

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday's practice was a fun one to watch for a

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<v Speaker 1>few reasons. Number one, the weather conditions could not have

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<v Speaker 1>been better, which is always nice. But secondly, they did

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff that was designed to be competitive between offense

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<v Speaker 1>and defense. They did kind of a no huddle two

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<v Speaker 1>minute drill type of thing, except they put one fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>on the clock instead of two minutes. They did more

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<v Speaker 1>red zone like they did last week, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>ended practice by having the offense try to drive out

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<v Speaker 1>from deep from their own territory, and it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>both sides are kind of keeping score. Yeah, they were

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<v Speaker 1>into it and situational football, but it was it was competitive,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the defense was complaining that the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>warning end. The head coach was given first downs when

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<v Speaker 1>he shouldn't have. And they had officials out there as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, zach z I could have the officials

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<v Speaker 1>a few times. I mean, the coaches were into it,

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<v Speaker 1>the players weren't it. I thought it was. It was great.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun to watch, and you'll hear around the

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<v Speaker 1>league how competitive some of these practices good. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>guys tell me how down in New Orleans with Drew

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<v Speaker 1>brees Man, it's like game day on Wednesday, Tom Brady,

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. I mean, he and Teddy Bruski. It was

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<v Speaker 1>legendary offense defense competing, you know, and so that that

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<v Speaker 1>just raises the bar and raises the whole ship. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to game day on Sunday, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>is to make make game day almost easy. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a little break because you work so hard and

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<v Speaker 1>so competitively on your big work days that you know

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday rolls around and it's like it's all going to

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<v Speaker 1>fall into place and it's going to be not a

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<v Speaker 1>walk in the park, but it'll be an easier, easier

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic for you. The other thing that's actually doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of coaches have done over the years. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been associated with football, and Paul Gunther did

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<v Speaker 1>this most recently. He's calling players up to the grease

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<v Speaker 1>board and having them design, you know, entire offensive plays now.

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<v Speaker 1>And the idea is not just tunnel vision what I'm doing,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, the whole package of the play. Everybody's assignment.

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<v Speaker 1>So you'll understand why you're doing it and when you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be doing certain things and not just I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>this no matter what. And and defense is making adjustments

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to maybe make other calls. You understand

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<v Speaker 1>why you're making those calls because it normally affects what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing. You understand that it's going to affect things

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of you. And so the mental aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of it and comprehending the entire big picture, not just

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<v Speaker 1>a little picture. It's gonna, I think, pay big dividends

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<v Speaker 1>to the football team on all phases of it. These

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<v Speaker 1>OTAs are voluntary. Cordy Glenn was not in attendance on Tuesday. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>John Ross didn't practice. He was on a stationary bike.

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<v Speaker 1>Early in the practice. Trey Hopkins stepped in as the

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<v Speaker 1>starting left guard, and Alex Rickson had a huge day,

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<v Speaker 1>partly because he was getting a lot of those snaps

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<v Speaker 1>that John Ross would normally get. Alex Erkson made a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of players, a bunch of back shoulder catches. I mean, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about it so many times. He's just a

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<v Speaker 1>football player. But let's start with a couple of guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in those positions. And the fans obviously know

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Rikson what he's about and he's made big contributions.

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<v Speaker 1>But Trey Hopkins, he was playing really well, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the guy that I think this coaching staff

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<v Speaker 1>has him at left guard and Cordy Glen's absence because

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is so smart and being intelligent allows him

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<v Speaker 1>to play both guards, center or either tackle. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think the fact that the coaches feel so comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>him understanding the offense. You know, he get plugged in

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<v Speaker 1>at that left guard position and everybody knows, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what he did. You know when Billy Price was injured

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<v Speaker 1>and he stepped in in center position and played well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's almost like, wow, this might be his

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<v Speaker 1>best position. So one thing that coaches I remember Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Brown saying, when you know, I remember after a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of drafts, coach, why do we take this guy in

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<v Speaker 1>the third round because he's smart. David cannot have enough

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<v Speaker 1>good smart football players. They don't have to be all

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<v Speaker 1>pro superstars physically, but I want guys that knowing what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell they're doing. And that's Trey Hopkins. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to wow you with you know, Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame type strength or whatever as an offensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>But the dude is very, very good and extremely intelligent.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think Trey Hawkins deserves some kudos. And let's

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<v Speaker 1>hit the receiver position. While you mentioned that, Dan, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ericson is what he is. I mean, he's he's big time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in terms of always overachieving. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>never worry about Alex Rixon not giving you one and

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent as the saying goes. But Stanley Morgan's impressed me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's the best of the of the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they didn't it didn't work out. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if they had drafted a receiver second or third round,

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<v Speaker 1>they probably would have gotten a receiver, but as it

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to later rounds, they didn't have one high enough

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<v Speaker 1>in their board to make that selection. Stanley Morgan they

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<v Speaker 1>signed as a free agent. And the reason that he

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<v Speaker 1>was available as a free agent. He doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>world class speed. He's not going to be a guy

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<v Speaker 1>whoa look at the physical abilities of this guy. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's another one that's very intelligent. He's got a position versatility. Already,

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<v Speaker 1>they're playing him in a bunch of different positions. All

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<v Speaker 1>time leading receiver at Nebraska, and people own you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they run the ball, but they've been throwing the ball

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<v Speaker 1>here lately, and he's he's the best they've had there.

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<v Speaker 1>And Zach Taylor, you know, trust at those coaches in

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<v Speaker 1>the contacts he has at that school. And and this kid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was highly recommended and you look at him

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<v Speaker 1>on tape. He runs great routes. He understands we're in

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<v Speaker 1>zones to you know, settle into his own and get

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<v Speaker 1>open for the quarterback or run through his zone. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you have to get open for the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>Hander stands all those concepts. So I'm impressed with Stanley Morgan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's got a better than even chance to

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<v Speaker 1>make the football team. I really do. When you talked

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<v Speaker 1>about Paul Brown drafting smart guys back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>it made me think of a story I read sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in the last two or three weeks in the Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Globe about how much of a premium Bill Belichick puts

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<v Speaker 1>on drafting and or acquiring smart guys. And you look

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<v Speaker 1>at it, Dan, look at the position versatility he's had

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<v Speaker 1>with different guys. You know, Mike Vrabel defensive end, linebacker,

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<v Speaker 1>tight end offensively. You know, he's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Hubbard of the of the Patriots. So there's there's Littney,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a long long list of guys that in

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<v Speaker 1>the way Bill Belichick approaches a game almost on a

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<v Speaker 1>series by series basis. They may change, they may change everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you don't have guys that can do it,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to you have to quote dumb it down

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<v Speaker 1>to your dumbest guy on the field. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>have five guys that understand calculus but six to don't,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna be able to, you know, have that

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated a game plan. But if they all understand calculus,

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<v Speaker 1>now you got something, you got something special, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>head of the game. Because it's like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're morphing into this. Now they're doing that. How many

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<v Speaker 1>things are they going to do? You have to have

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<v Speaker 1>someone television to be able to do that. Zach Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>can certainly speak to that based on the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>last year where Bill Belichick went into the game saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we are not going to give up the play action

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<v Speaker 1>deep ball and played a defense that basically they had

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<v Speaker 1>not played during the regular season or first few rounds

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<v Speaker 1>of the playoffs. Yeah, I mean they were a man team.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they played like seventy five eighty percent man.

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<v Speaker 1>They played seventy five eighty percent zone in the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>and they basically said, you know, the two weeks of

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<v Speaker 1>preparation that week you had out in the West Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>the week you had in Atlanta, yea scrub that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are gonna have to adjust because we're not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not. We're not showing you anything that you can

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of with those big chunk plays. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about some other guys that maybe are a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit under the radar that caught your eye had

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<v Speaker 1>practice today. I know one of them was one of

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<v Speaker 1>last year's draft picks who got hurt, defensive lineman Andrew Brown. Yeah. Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at him physically, he's got what it takes

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<v Speaker 1>to play in the league. I'm not saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a perennial Pro Bowl guy, but he's got some heavy hands,

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<v Speaker 1>some explosiveness. When you see him go through bag drills,

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<v Speaker 1>he pops those bad boys. And he's got I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the best high school player in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Virginia. You know, people like, oh, yeah, well boy,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a bunch of powerhouses of Virginia. But this kid,

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<v Speaker 1>this kid was a really good player and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of big time offers stated Virginia. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's got the skill set physically. Now is he

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to put it all together? He's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a tweener, you know when you when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at him. He's listed at sixty three, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six pounds. Is that big enough to play defensive tackle?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it perfect? You know, dimensions for defensive end, But

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<v Speaker 1>all I know is physically he's got some capabilities. And

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<v Speaker 1>to be interested if you could take that next step

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<v Speaker 1>mentally and uh and understand everything that the lou and

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<v Speaker 1>Aruma is putting in out there, because that defense is

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<v Speaker 1>looking pretty good. I mean, they're not playing softcover too

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<v Speaker 1>anymore and letting people free released off the line of scrimmage.

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<v Speaker 1>They're getting after them, they're blitzing, they're getting after the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're playing tight coverage. They're getting up their pressing people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks it looks pretty good. I felt overall

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<v Speaker 1>the defense won the day. The offense had their moments

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<v Speaker 1>and had plays in today's workout, but on a snap

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<v Speaker 1>by snap basis, if you evaluate it as an impartial evaluator,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to give the nod to the defense.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was especially true in the no huddle

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<v Speaker 1>two minute drill. Again they actually put one fifteen on

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<v Speaker 1>the clock, but in that portion of the practice, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the defense really shown. I agree, Dan, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're well put together. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>the scheme is very sound. And the players are really

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<v Speaker 1>responded to it. I think I think they appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, again, it's not you don't have to study

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<v Speaker 1>volumes and volumes of an encyclopedia, you know, and have

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<v Speaker 1>three answers for everything, and that they do this you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have another answer for that. It's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this, this whole game is you either punch or CounterPunch.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to always be CounterPunch and everything the

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<v Speaker 1>offense does to you. You want to just have a

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<v Speaker 1>few things and make them CounterPunch. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the track that the defense is on. We mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>Hopkins stepped in as the starting left guard or the

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<v Speaker 1>number one left guard, with Cordy Glen not in attendance

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<v Speaker 1>today and Clint Bowling still on the rehab field. But

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Westerman also cut your eye today. Yeah. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think physically he's got it all. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>is a thumper now, He's very very strong, he has

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<v Speaker 1>a good pad level. He bends at the hips and

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<v Speaker 1>not at the at the knees. He's not a knee bender.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he strikes you, you're struck. The thing is, again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to deal with it. If he's only got

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent of it of it, you have to have

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<v Speaker 1>at least seventy five eighty percent of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from mental standpoint at this stage, or the coach's lose confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, coaches want laid on the line with guys

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<v Speaker 1>that they feel like you're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get it. Doesn't matter how big, strong and powerful you

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<v Speaker 1>are if you're blocking the wrong guy or going the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong way. So he just has to keep working on

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<v Speaker 1>that part of his game. And again, you know, feeling

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<v Speaker 1>is that's why Trey Hawkins is probably not as physical,

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<v Speaker 1>physically talented as Westerman, but mentally he's way ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the game on him. We've mentioned on previous podcasts that

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost an all star team on the rehab field

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<v Speaker 1>right now with guys like AJ Green, Tyler Eiford, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>We're keeping an eye on Carl Lawson and Ryan Glasgow

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<v Speaker 1>today and both of those guys look like they're moving

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<v Speaker 1>really well as they look to come back from their injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, you know, I think it's probably not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be right at the beginning of training camp, but

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<v Speaker 1>at some point maybe to play in that third preseason

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<v Speaker 1>game where you know you're gonna be taking snaps with

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<v Speaker 1>with pretty good players for a good periody of the

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<v Speaker 1>game that can roll a lot of guys in there

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<v Speaker 1>when they're still guys are going to be NFL players

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<v Speaker 1>on the field, So you might target that preseason game

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<v Speaker 1>number three is when some of those guys are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe hit it and really test it. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. You can you can feel really good on

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<v Speaker 1>the rehab field and you know, but I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>I just had scopes to my knee. You know, it's like, mentally,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to hit, hit the ground, get caught in

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<v Speaker 1>a pile, something has to happen. Where is it really okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And once you get past that little stage of it,

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<v Speaker 1>that little block, once you know you go live contact

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<v Speaker 1>and and you fit the battlefield and you come out unscathed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're cooking with gas. So I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>getting snaps in the preseason for both of those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>at some point it's going to be, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>paramount to get done. But I'm not sure it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the first couple of weeks. Any other

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<v Speaker 1>under the radar type guys catch your eye today, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you look at the tight end position, Dan Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Sethan Carter I thought was playing really well

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<v Speaker 1>and he had the shoulder injury. Yeah, I like that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he can block at the inn line of scrimmage.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he can catch the football. Jordan Franks last year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the thing about Jordan Franks im that little

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<v Speaker 1>wheel route that he ran after the fake. He motioned

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<v Speaker 1>across the backfield and he caught a ball down the

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<v Speaker 1>football field. When you have a tight end that can

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<v Speaker 1>run and you have that size speed ratio advantage, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Franks will he'd be able to take another step.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm basically trying to, you know, hit guys at

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<v Speaker 1>at almost every position group that maybe we haven't talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it a lot, and the fans haven't really heard

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot, but you know, they may make the

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<v Speaker 1>jump from one year to the next. And let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to the linebacker position. Dan. You know, with Jermaine Pratt

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<v Speaker 1>having the hamstring injury that slowed him a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>Deshan Davis has gotten a lot of snaps and I

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<v Speaker 1>like him. I can see why you know, the guys

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<v Speaker 1>were people were fearful maybe a little bit because he's

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<v Speaker 1>not a real big guy, but man, he carries a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of weight in that lower body and he plays

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<v Speaker 1>with a very low pad level. And he's smart. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know he can call sing those for you. He

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<v Speaker 1>understands the defense, he flies around the football, he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>a playmaker. He's a productive guy. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think he's gonna he's gonna be a factor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on the football team as well in the secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>Trayvon Henderson, remember how well he was playing before he

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<v Speaker 1>has his knee injury. You look at that dude's legs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's stout. Now he's put together, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Trayvon Henderson come back and can he compete at the

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<v Speaker 1>level he was competing at it maybe even more and

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<v Speaker 1>at the safety position. So I mean there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of guys to keep an eye on. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>question about it. Ryan Finley, I think is at the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback spot, is starting to you know, understand things a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit better and he's making plays both in and

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<v Speaker 1>out of the pocket. I think he's getting a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more comfortable and a lot more confident. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>see why he was drafted, you know, in the fourth round.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's there's quite a few guys to keep track

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<v Speaker 1>of during the course of this, uh, this thing for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing. We are in the tunnel of Paul Brown Stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in between the Bengals locker room and the

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<v Speaker 1>entrance to the playing field. Several golf carts have gone

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<v Speaker 1>rolling by. Mike Brown moments ago went buying a golf cart.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we need to have some of these people teach

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<v Speaker 1>you how to drive a golf cart? Lap? The man unbelievable. Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to, Uh, I tried to pass on a

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<v Speaker 1>cart path that was too narrow and front wheel, front

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<v Speaker 1>right wheel went off the cart path and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a total downhill, like forty five degree decline, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I'm not gonna be able to keep this

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<v Speaker 1>up there the second the back wheel went off and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, it's like slow motion. Start to

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<v Speaker 1>I rolled. It rolled a bad boy, but a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a hip issue, a little hitching to get

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<v Speaker 1>along with the hip, but just a little scratch on

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<v Speaker 1>the arm and the cart. The carts survived because I

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<v Speaker 1>used it in the afternoon round as well. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm retiring from evil Knieval with the golf carts. Next

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<v Speaker 1>time we golf, I'm driving pack got you, I got

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<v Speaker 1>your coach. Thankfully, Lap wasn't hurt and that wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>only good news to come out of the golf tournament

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<v Speaker 1>he co hosts with former teammate and roommate Ken Anderson.

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<v Speaker 1>This year's event raised more than two hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for the Down Syndrome Association of Greater Cincinnati and the

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Anderson Alliance, which provides opportunities for adults with developmental disabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Kudos to two of the all time great Bengals and

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<v Speaker 1>people for continuing to make a difference in the community

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<v Speaker 1>well after their playing careers. When the Bengals drafted tight

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<v Speaker 1>end Drew Sample in the second round this year, number

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two overall, after moving back ten spots to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up extra fourth and sixth round picks from Denver, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the draft guru suggested that he would have been

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<v Speaker 1>available later. We'll never know, but if Ota practices are

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<v Speaker 1>any indication, Sample will help the Bengals right away. He

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<v Speaker 1>was considered to be the best blocking tight end in

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<v Speaker 1>the draft and he's caught everything thrown his way in

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<v Speaker 1>the practices that have been open to the media. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals have a new tight ends coach this year in

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<v Speaker 1>James Casey. He spent seven years playing in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>and was still active as recently as twenty fifteen. I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to Casey about the addition of Drew Sample you

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<v Speaker 1>played the position, Tell me what you like about this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's got great, great technique, great feet, great bass.

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<v Speaker 1>About how he's blocking him, he's you know, you watch

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these college guys and it's I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's rare, and I'm not, you know, extremely experienced. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't doing it for twenty years, But when I watched

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<v Speaker 1>all the guys that are coming out this year, he

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<v Speaker 1>was one guy that just stood out to me as

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<v Speaker 1>being like a sound football player with a really good

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<v Speaker 1>technique that you don't you don't feel like you got

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<v Speaker 1>to come in or like teach him and coach him

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<v Speaker 1>up on a whole bunch of different things. You can

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<v Speaker 1>more to like jump into it and get him learned

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<v Speaker 1>the scheme and kind of of course you're gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>to get him better on some of the techniques and

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<v Speaker 1>get him more physical and all those things. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was he was a polished player and who played with

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<v Speaker 1>great effort and great technique, and that's what you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for our tight ends. We're looking for smart guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's extremely intelligent. We're looking for tough guys. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>really tough guy. He's playing a lot of football, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we're looking for guys that got really quick feet,

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<v Speaker 1>so because we're gonna do a lot of lateral stuff

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<v Speaker 1>with our offense, and he fits all those molds. Were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interaction did you have with him personally? I

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<v Speaker 1>got to you know, really most of us at the combine,

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<v Speaker 1>and once we left the combine, everybody knew we loved him.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to, you know, set in the meeting. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of had like a form meeting with him

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<v Speaker 1>with the whole staff, and he was extremely intelligent. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the most impressive guys that I've been around as

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<v Speaker 1>far as like his intelligence and asking the questions. It

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<v Speaker 1>was almost like I could just see him. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he wants to do this in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>but even as young as he is, I could seem

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to be a coach one day. He was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any question you're asking about the offense that they run

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<v Speaker 1>at Washington, he knew everything about it, and he knew

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody was doing. He knew how to articulated. He

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<v Speaker 1>was confident. He was a bright eyed guy. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>low energy at all. He was I like the guys

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<v Speaker 1>in our locker room. We're gonna love him. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>fit in our our group really well, because we already

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of really good tight ends and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great guys in our room, and it's great

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<v Speaker 1>to add another great guy. So you know, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna fit in right away and there's gonna be no

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<v Speaker 1>issues in our room about you know, any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bad people or guys that aren't loving football like he's gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very, very impressive, and of course you probably

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<v Speaker 1>could tell me how I'm talking. I'm I'm tremly excited,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially early on just getting started coaching here, like

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<v Speaker 1>to get a guy I can get as a young

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<v Speaker 1>guy and kind of get him, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>put my stamp on him and help him develop with

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<v Speaker 1>the trade down of ten spots where you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fighting your nails hoping it would still be there at

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two. I was I was very nervous about it,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that we had that we had him ready high

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh And you know, as you travel around,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to all the pro days, and you go

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<v Speaker 1>to the combine, and you talk to other other tight

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<v Speaker 1>end coaches you know, around around the league. You get

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<v Speaker 1>you get a sense of how certain guys feel about

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<v Speaker 1>certain guys, how they talk to him. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt that a lot of tight end

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<v Speaker 1>coaches and a lot of teams around the NFL had

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<v Speaker 1>this guy ready really high. And I know media wise

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<v Speaker 1>he might not have been like the top tight end guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But the guys that watched the ball and watched the film,

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody that did that know that this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>a really good player. And time time's gotta tell you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta come in here. It's gotta go and work and

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<v Speaker 1>go prove it. And to me as a coach, I

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<v Speaker 1>tell those guys, you know, you gotta you gotta make

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<v Speaker 1>an undeniable. You know, you gotta go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>practice so hard that it's on deniable. How good Jarling,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta, we gotta put you on the field, and

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<v Speaker 1>you got to you got to be so good they

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<v Speaker 1>can't annoy you. Basically, you know, you know, guys to

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<v Speaker 1>tell my guys in my room, Like, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>be so good that they can't annoy you, that they

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<v Speaker 1>have to put you on the field and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to go. You're gonna produce this because how will you

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<v Speaker 1>practice and how will you compete? If Tyler Eiffort can

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<v Speaker 1>stay healthy, the trio of Effort, cj Uzama, and Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Sample would give the Bengals a formidable tight end group.

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<v Speaker 1>Now time for this week's fun Facts interview, as we

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<v Speaker 1>get to know a second year member of the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>coaching staff who's had quite a history as a player

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<v Speaker 1>and coach. Time for some fun facts with Bengals quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>coach Alex Van Pelt, a native of Pittsburgh, a former

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<v Speaker 1>star with the Pittsburgh Panthers. But you played high school

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<v Speaker 1>football in Texas. Correct describe how that came about? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was awkward. I kind of My parents had divorced

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<v Speaker 1>early on, and I was living with my dad in

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<v Speaker 1>a small town in West Virginia and I had started

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<v Speaker 1>there for three years. Through my junior year, I happen

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<v Speaker 1>to have a best friend that was a senior who

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<v Speaker 1>was a way better athlete than I was, better football, basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>baseball player, and he did not get recruited at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and it kind of woke me up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So my mom had moved to San Antonio, Texas, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a situation where they didn't have a starting

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback returning. So I took a chance and transferred halfway

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<v Speaker 1>through my junior year and ended up starting my senior

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<v Speaker 1>year of high school football down there and got a

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<v Speaker 1>scholarship back to Pittsburgh. So those are pre internet days.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you even find out that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>high school there that needed a QB? Well, my mom

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of pulling strings talking to the coach, just

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<v Speaker 1>getting a feel for what the situation would be and

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<v Speaker 1>if it was something that would interest me. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was concerned if I didn't maybe move on to a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger area, I wouldn't have a chance to play in college.

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<v Speaker 1>And rolled the dice and it worked out for the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing fun facts with Alex van Pelt, it certainly did.

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<v Speaker 1>You came back home to the Pittsburgh area wound up

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<v Speaker 1>playing for pitt as I mentioned, started for four years.

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<v Speaker 1>It must have been crazy to start as a true

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<v Speaker 1>freshman at a place like pitt Yeah, it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a couple of backs that were ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>me on the depth chart that I wanted transferred and

0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 1>one didn't make great. So all of a sudden, I

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<v Speaker 1>came into the spring as a starter, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>when Paul Hackett came in as the offensive chord dator.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, he and I really we meshed for

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<v Speaker 1>those four years and I learned a lot of football

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<v Speaker 1>from him and know him a lot. He's really a

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<v Speaker 1>coaching mentor to me still to this day. Pitts had

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<v Speaker 1>some great quarterbacks, first and foremost Dan Marino, but when

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<v Speaker 1>you look in the all time record book, the all

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<v Speaker 1>time leader in passing yards is Alex Van Pelt. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I threw it about five thousand more times

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<v Speaker 1>than he did, so I think the average it may

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<v Speaker 1>not have averaged out as high. But yeah, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty proud of. And I teased Dan when I

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<v Speaker 1>see him. So after starting for four years at pitt

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<v Speaker 1>you were drafted by the Steelers in nineteen ninety three

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<v Speaker 1>and went to training camp with Pittsburgh under Bill Kauer.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like to be drafted by your hometown team.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great, It really was. A family was excited.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife from Pittsburgh and her family as well, so

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<v Speaker 1>we were excited for the opportunity to stay in town.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't make the most of the opportunity. He's though. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make it through camp, but got cut at camp

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<v Speaker 1>and sat out that year until midway through the season,

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<v Speaker 1>and I ended up going Paul Hackett had left at

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<v Speaker 1>the time to Kansas City as their offensive coordinator, and

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Joe Montana pulls a hamstring, so I knew the system.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got the call. I got to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and dress for three games, and then when he was healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>I was released and then resigned again the next year.

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<v Speaker 1>What stands out about even being around Joe Montana, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say the biggest thing is his note taking. By far,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that guy. It didn't matter how many times

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<v Speaker 1>you installed a base concept that he's heard for fifteen years.

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>He would write down every detail on the paper. And

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<v Speaker 1>that struck me. If he's doing it, I better do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I still to this day. I have a little

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<v Speaker 1>quote up here. You know, you can't see it, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's all. The story is all about that and Joe

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<v Speaker 1>taking notes. So that's the biggest thing I took from Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing fun facts with Alex Van Pelt. He was

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<v Speaker 1>not the only Hall of Fame quarterback you are around

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<v Speaker 1>because you spent most of your NFL career with the

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bills, and early in your tenure there, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the final couple of seasons of Jim Kelly's NFL career. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was a great experience. I mean, Jim is

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<v Speaker 1>such a such a gracious guy. I mean he when

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<v Speaker 1>I walked in the building for the first time, I

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<v Speaker 1>was immediately included in him in this group of the quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought that was really cool. He was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest leader I've been around. He knew when

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<v Speaker 1>the push buttons, he knew when the jump guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when the hug guys, and he held everybody at a

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<v Speaker 1>high standard and very accountable, and that spread through the team.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was a great experience for me to

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<v Speaker 1>see how a veteran guy actually runs the team, and

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<v Speaker 1>he really did. Doug Flutie is not in the Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Football Hall of Fame, but he's in the College Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame and the Canadian Football Hall of Fame. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're around Doug as well in Buffalo. Yeah, Doug's exciting player, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the energy he brings into the stadium each week.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up a West Virginia fan, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>at the Mountaineer Boston College game that the West Virginia

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>beat him that year. So I've been watching Doug for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, so I have to get a chance to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to be in the same room with him

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<v Speaker 1>and pick his brain. That was pretty cool too. What

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<v Speaker 1>was Marv Levy like? Oh, mar Marvel was the best.

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I always tell the story that Marv would be the

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<v Speaker 1>only man that in a team meeting could quote a

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>fourteenth century Scottish poet and somehow make it relate and

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>all the guys would understand it. You know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>a genius the way he handled those teams and all

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>those personalities on those teams. He couldn't have done a

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<v Speaker 1>better job. So I grew up in Lakewood, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a little bit south of Buffalo, and you

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:30.119
<v Speaker 1>were extremely popular with Buffalo Bills fans. Well. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little short and probably a little overweight for the position,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think a lot of those body types related

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I kind of come from a blue collar background,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think I kind of fit in there with

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<v Speaker 1>the community as well, and I actually had a radio show.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a spoof on the popular morning

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<v Speaker 1>radio rock station, and I would just say anything funny

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>just to get a laugh, and I think I acquired

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of listeners and followers. At that time. It

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 1>was totally slapstick. None of it was serious. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think combination all those things and out in the community,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a big part of the community there. I

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<v Speaker 1>tried to do as much as I could, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be juvenile diabetes or in a food bank

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>or anything, to stay stay visible and active in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>You got into a real broadcasting career after your playing

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>career was finished. You were the color commentator with a

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>great John Murphy on Buffalo Bill's broadcast. But didn't stick

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>with it. Did you just miss being one of the

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<v Speaker 1>guys in the locker room preparing for games and game day?

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And that was really it. And when I retired from football,

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<v Speaker 1>my thought processes, well, I'm gonna I want to give

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasting a shot, and if I don't feel like this

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>is what I'm wanna do, I want to get into coaching.

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>At the time, I said I wanted to be John

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<v Speaker 1>Madden or John Bruden, so I knew it was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be one or the other. I wanted to be the

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<v Speaker 1>best at it. I went through the first year of

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<v Speaker 1>doing the radio. I enjoyed it, but I really missed

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>being in those meetings and knowing the why. I could

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the football all day and what happened and

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you know who's responsibility for that gap and all that

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>was easy, but I related it to watching your friends

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>open up Christmas presents from outside the window. I wanted

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to get back into the window inside. We're visiting with

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<v Speaker 1>Alex van Pelt. Much of your NFL coaching career was

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>spent in Green Bay with the Packers, working with Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the most remarkable thing you ever saw Aaron Rodgers due, Well,

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 1>there's many to me. Probably the biggest one would be

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the playoff game against the Dallas Cowboys. It's third and twenty.

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I think there's ten seconds left to go in the game.

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>Most teams were tied up. Most teams probably run the

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>ball and take it overtime. Aaron gets in the huddle,

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>designs a protection that we've barely ever used to talk of,

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, talks about talks the guys through the protection,

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and three routes that we had never run. He draws

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>up in the dirt on that final play and hits

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Jared Cook on the sideline after a great scramble. To me,

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what was that play? Well, no, I

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>just told him to do this, this and this, and

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I told the protection to do this, and it worked perfectly.

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>And one was that game. There was a stretch there

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>in Green Bay where you had a beard and head

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>coach Mike McCarthy had a beard, and you bore a

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>striking resemblance to each other. Were they're strange instances where

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>you were confused for him. One hundred times referees would

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>come over and shake my hand before the game, and

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I'd stop him about halfway over and say, no, I'm

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>not Mike and Alex, oh sorry, coach. You know. Fans

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>would yell down, come on, Mike. You know. So it's

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>a playoff beards, so there's no You had no chance

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to shave it off until it was all over, so

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>we had to keep the beards on. I always just

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>tell people my legs are a little thicker than his,

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 1>So if we had all shorts, that would be about

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the way you could tell. So this is your second

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>year with the Bengals working with Andy Dalton and the

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>other Bengals quarterbacks. What if anything surprised you about Andy

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>when you started working with him. Just as mechanics, I thought,

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>first off the bat, I'd not seen many guys throw

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>with the mechanics. I mean, his mechanics and his fundamentals

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>are very very sounds as sound as anybody's really And

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the knowledge of the game and that and the vision

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of the field, I mean he's got He's been doing

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>it for a long time. Here's a guy that has

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of different looks and rarely as he

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>get fooled on a football field. So his experience of

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>seeing defense, you know, combined with his perfect fundamentals, I

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>was very excited to get to work with him. All right.

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>One more fun fact for Alex Van Pelt, tell me

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>about the time you sang on stage with Hank Williams Junior. Yeah,

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that's a wild one. I was in Kansas City. We

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>were flying back from River Falls, Wisconsin, back to Kansas City.

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Training camp had just ended, and Derek Thomas, the great

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>outside linebacker, was on the flight and came back and

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>asked to find like country music. Of course I did so,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll pick you up at the hotel. We're gonna go

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>see Hank Junior. Little did I know they're from the

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>same hometown in Alabama and great friends. So I'm thinking,

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>where are we gonna get these tickets? You know, what

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>are you? So DT drives right around, right through waves

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>all the security guys in Wichita, drives right back and

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>pulls into the arena, gets out by the tour bus

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and the managers there, and Hank's wife was there. We

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>walked directly up on stage. It was myself, Troy Ridgeley,

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 1>who was a Notre Dame defensive lineman that was my

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>roommate at the time in DT and Hank and we're

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>singing one Whisk, good Whisky, good Love, and good Women,

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's passing the microphone around in front of like

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>twelve thousand people in this arena. And it was a

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>great night. Got to go to dinner with them afterwards

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>and spend some time with them. But just goes to say,

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>what kind of guy Derek Thomas is here? I was

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>a second year player, third fourth string quarterback, but he

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>knew I like country music and invited me. Anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>you've played in an NFL game in front of eighty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and sung on stage in front of fourteen thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more nerve wracking. Oh, definitely the eighty thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a good singer. Well, do you care to

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<v Speaker 1>share that's a joke. That's completely a joke. Yeah, eighty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand screaming fans on the road. Stuffer ah, you're ready

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<v Speaker 1>fowsome football. That's the extent of my hank. This was fun,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely Yeah. I enjoyed visiting with you. Best of luck

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Thank you very much. My thanks to this

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