1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 2: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 2: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode Reality 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: with the King. We're doing our Soulful Sunday special and 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: my first guest on my new series is somebody who 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: I have watched for many many years. He not only 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: is a faith based man, he is a powerhouse executive 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: in Hollywood, but he's also like a very nice person, 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: a cool person, and we are here to talk about 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: his new film, his new projects, in addition to how 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: faith has manifested into everything he has going on today, 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: his cup run it over, give it up for the 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: One the Only Demon Franklin. Thank you man, glad to 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,279 Speaker 2: be here. We haven't seen each other in a little 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: wild minute. You look refreshed, you look great. You've been 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: in the gym a little bit. You know what I'm saying, 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: You know, I. 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: Mean how much you bench pressing? Brother? 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: Like, you know what, I don't even know. I haven't 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: really tested a while. I mean, my max I think 26 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: is like two ninety five. That was like one rep. 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, so you know, 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: and I don't do that all the time. 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: You want to hear my max? What's your max? Ninety five? 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Come on, Carlo, get your point. You don't trying to. 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: But that's all I got. 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: But now listen, I am so grateful to have you 33 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: sitting here. You're a busy guy. And one thing that 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people really do was 35 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: the fact that I used to watch your sermons all 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 2: the time online and when I moved to Los Angeles 37 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: when one church at the time was of course passed 38 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: by Terrey Roberts and his lovely wife, you know, pastor 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: Sarah Jakes Roberts. 40 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: You would sometimes be a guest on there. 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: And you have no idea, sir, how your words, oh brother, 42 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: your words of how you applied faith in Hollywood, which 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: some people may look at as being like oil and 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: water they mix. And you inspired me so much because 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: I remember you telling a story about how you got 46 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: this job. I believe it was at Sony or it 47 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 2: was at Will Smith's Company and you honor the Sabbath. 48 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that was it Will Smith's, Will Smith's. 49 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: Company Overbrooke Entertainment, and you were so nervous because you 50 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: were like, I. 51 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: Won't get fired, yah, and I get hired. 52 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: Talk to me about that story because the reason why 53 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: I want to start there, and we'll get into your 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: recent projects, is because I want my audience to know 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: how you never allowed your business ambition to ever take 56 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: over your faith. 57 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, you know. 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: So for me, you know, it's like I came to Hollywood, 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: or at least I had the vision to go to 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: Hollywood and the dream to be in Hollywood when I 61 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: was a teenager, and it was just you know, my 62 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: father died when I was nine years old of a 63 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: heart attack when he was thirty six, and yeah, I know, 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: me's so young, and it was my mom didn't have 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: money for therapy, so it was a combination of watching 66 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: movies and going to church that really became my therapy. 67 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: And that combination was just so powerful to me. 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: I just was like, Wow, I really want to be 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: a part of this industry that you know, makes these 70 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: movies that can bring hope and can bring you know. 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: A sense of peace. And so that's what I pursued. 72 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: Now, my pursuit was always financed by my belief that 73 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: or my curiosity if God was actually in it. Sometimes 74 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: we have an idea and we don't know if God's 75 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: in it. Maybe it's just our idea and the only 76 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: way to find out is to get confirmation. And so 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: I went to Los Angeles, went to the University of 78 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 3: Southern California, and when I got that first internship interview, 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: which was for the company that managed Will Smith, they 80 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: asked me at the end of the interview, is there 81 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: anything else you want us to know? And so I 82 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: told him, I said, well, look, you know, I observed 83 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: the Sabbath, so of taking this internship would require me 84 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: to work on the Sabbath, I won't take it. 85 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: Now. At the time, I wasn't even it wasn't even 86 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: like a thought to me. 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: It was just like, this is my conviction and I'm 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: not going to compromise this for this opportunity. And what 89 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: happened inadvertently was one they said, okay, no problem. But 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: what it also did was it gave me confirmation like, Okay, 91 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: I can honor God and still pursue this career and 92 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: he will open doors instead of Sometimes we think that 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: compromise is the key that opens the door. And yes, 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: compromise can open a door. The question is where you 95 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: supposed to walk to that door to begin with. And 96 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: when we don't compromise on whatever our belief may be, 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: whatever our conviction about how who we are and how 98 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: we work, when we don't compromise that and the door 99 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: still opens, then we know that's a door that is 100 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: meant for us to walk through. But if we know 101 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: that we had to compromise who we were, compromise our 102 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: belief system, compromise our identity to get in the door, 103 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: is that really God or is that us? And for 104 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: me as it related to Hollywood, you know, not compromising 105 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: and being a man of conviction was the key that 106 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: unlocked the door. And the interesting thing about Hollywood is 107 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: that just staying that path And now, I mean I 108 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: got my internship about thirty years ago, so you know, 109 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: just staying the path, doors just continue to open. And 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: you know, as long as I'm adhering to who I 111 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: am and my foundation And the other thing I would 112 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: say is you can only be tempted by what you want. 113 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: So temptation is not in my experience and my point 114 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 3: of view, it's not a general thing, because what may 115 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: be tempting to you is not tempting to me. 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: Right if, right now, you. 117 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: Know, one of your producers comes in and brings a 118 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: piece of seven up pound cake. If you don't like 119 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: pound cake, that's not tempting. But if I'm going to 120 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 3: die and I love pound cake, that's tempting. So for me, 121 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: I've never wanted the business or the success of in 122 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: entertainment to be at the expense of my soul, at 123 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: the expense of my peace. So as a result, that's 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 3: never been a temptation for me. Now, my own ambition 125 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: at times has been a thing where I've had to 126 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: manage it. Where I want to be successful for myself. 127 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: I want to be the best version of myself, and sometimes, 128 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: you know, we get impatient, and I've gotten impatient at times, 129 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: and I've had to calm down. But in terms of 130 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: like just wanting the business or entertainment for entertainment's sake, 131 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: that's just never been something I've wanted. So as a result, 132 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: the industry in and of itself has not presented that 133 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: level of temptation. 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: That's very fascinating to me because listen, when you are 135 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: in Hollywood, and. 136 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: OK, thank you so much, welcome when you're in Hollywood. 137 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: I think the biggest perception that people have, obviously the Vaughn, 138 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: is the fact of like you know, life, camera action, 139 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: the gliss and the glamor. And they also think of 140 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: other things that people may think of sin right where 141 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: it's alcoholism, addiction and all those things. Were you ever 142 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: in a situation as you were growing up in this business, 143 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: because a lot of my listeners are people in the 144 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: business that you were faced with your moral compass being compromised? 145 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: You know where my moral compass was come from? You 146 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: know where that was a question? 147 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: Not in the traditional sense, you know what I mean, Like, 148 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: I've never been in a situation where fundamentally you know 149 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: who I am and what I'm about has been challenged 150 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: in that way. You know, there have been situations like so, 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: for example, when I was an executive for Columbia Pictures, 152 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: which is a division of Sony Pictures Entertainment. I was 153 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: there for about ten years, worked on everything from Pursuit 154 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: of Happiness all the way to Jumping the Broom and 155 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: the Karate Kid remake. 156 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: And Heaven Is for Real. 157 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: And while I was there, you know, there was a 158 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: project that they wanted me to work on, and I 159 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: was like, well, no, I don't believe in this project. 160 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe in these portrayals. 161 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: If I have an opportunity to give notes and help 162 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: improve these portrayals, then great, I'm happy to be a 163 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: part of it. But you know, on the excuse me, 164 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: on the surface, no, I said, this is not something 165 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: that aligns with who I am. It's not something that 166 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: I believe in. And I was pretty honest about that, 167 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: you know, and they were like, okay, no problem, you know, 168 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: and they found some other executives to work on it, because, 169 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: you know, you really, from a Hollywood studio standpoint, do 170 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: you want people that believe in the material to work 171 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: on the material because they know how to push that 172 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: material along and ultimately it made. But no, I really 173 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: haven't had that kind of you know, moral dilemma that 174 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: has been presented to me in my journey. And I 175 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: know that might, you know, sound kind of crazy that 176 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: that hasn't happened, but it just hasn't. It's just, you know, 177 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: I've been following the path, staying on the path, committing 178 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: to the process, and this is where the process has 179 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: led me. And I think also, what sometimes I think 180 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: has happened in my career is being upfront about just like, hey, 181 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: this is who i'm, this is who I. 182 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: Am, this is what I'm about. 183 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: I think it keeps things out, you know, and it 184 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: also then allows things in that align with that. And 185 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: so I think there's something about me just being very 186 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: clear from the beginning that you know, I don't know 187 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: any people just know that, and so as a result, 188 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 3: certain things aren't even broad you know, certain certain opportunities 189 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: or experiences aren't. 190 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: Even presented, you know. 191 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, sometimes I look back, say, wow, that's interesting 192 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 3: that I know I haven't experienced what you may traditionally 193 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: think a quote unquote mortal moral dilemma would be. 194 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: No, I can relate to you when it comes to that, 195 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: and I agree with you, because when you show up authentically, 196 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: you know, there's this saying that if you're not invited 197 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: to the party, it is because you're not meant to 198 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: be there, because they know you don't get down like that. 199 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: There it is right, So I agree with you. 200 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: I think it was the fact that you and listen, 201 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: I don't want people to really negate the power of 202 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: your self that you have as somebody who said, if 203 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: I'm not able to honor the Sabbath, I can't take 204 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 2: this job, you know, because some people say, well, they 205 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: got to know that I do that, you know, sort 206 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: of like hide it. But it was the fact that 207 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: you allowed your authenticity to be shown first and foremost. 208 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: And I think that's the reason why God, amongst other reasons, 209 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: has blessed you so fruthfully in your purpose, in your mission. 210 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: One of the movies you've done recently, I want to 211 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: say it was last year, was on Hulu with Evil 212 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: Long or Blame It Not Devn Franklin, And if you 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: guys haven't watched Flame Hot, it's an amazing story about 214 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: this man who pretty much started Cheetos, you know, Cheetos, 215 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: And it's an amazing story on faith, is an amazing 216 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: story on what I always believe, Devon is God gives 217 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: you the vision and sometimes the vision no one else 218 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: can see. And the reason why I have studied a 219 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: lot of your sermons over the years is because I 220 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: always felt that outside of you, and you know pastor 221 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 2: Terrain Silver Jakes, I always felt that there wasn't somebody 222 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: who understood what it's like to be a faith based 223 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,479 Speaker 2: man in this business because sometimes you're put into situations 224 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: where people want you to behave a certain way or 225 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: act out a certain way, and most importantly may not 226 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: just understand your desires. Because tell this day, my father 227 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: has no idea what is that I do. He's like, 228 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: I see my son on TV and I'm happy he's. 229 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Living right, right, right right. 230 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: But your practices has always felt that you were informing 231 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: generations of utilizing your faith for what that mission may be. 232 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: And that's why I flame my Hosts to Me is 233 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: one of the best, one of the best films you've 234 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: ever done. 235 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: Thank you talk to me about advice. 236 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: That you would give people who do want to whether 237 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: it's in Hollywood or it can be any place in 238 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: the world when it comes to the fact that they 239 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: sometimes feel like. 240 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: Did God forget about me? 241 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: No one understands me, No one gets my vision, no 242 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: one understands my mission. 243 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: Is it meant for me to pivot to something else? 244 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: Or is it meant for me to be steadfast and 245 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: to make sure that I continue to develop the relationship 246 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: with God so that I'm hearing his voice versus the 247 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: noise of the background. 248 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: M hmm. Yeah, okay, So let's unpack it. So when 249 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: you think about like okay, having a dream of desire, 250 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: working towards it, but not seeing the fulfillment of it. 251 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: So what happens is God gives us, I believe, an 252 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: idea of what we're supposed to do, glimpses. We may 253 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: not see the whole picture, but we see glimpses. Okay, 254 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: this is I see, you know, for me, I see 255 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: myself working in this business. So God gives the vision, 256 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: and then what happens is the temptation and many of 257 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: us fall pray to it. I know I have at 258 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: times is believing that we have to make the vision happen, 259 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: and that we own the timetable for the vision happening. 260 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: And so when we're trying to make it happen, and 261 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: when we feel like, Okay, well I've been doing this 262 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: for five years and it hasn't turned over yet, or 263 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: I've been doing this for ten years, well God looks 264 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: at eternity and he's like, well, what's time Your ten 265 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: years is just a blip on the radar, and I'm God, 266 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: so I know when it's meant for you to unleash 267 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 3: or become who I created you to be in the earth. 268 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: So part of the steadfastness is taking the ownership off 269 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: of the manifestation and and and the timeline for such. 270 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: So you look at even like you know, let's go 271 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: to the Bible. You look at David. He was annoyed 272 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: to king to be the next king. He didn't go 273 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: sit on the throne. He went right back to tending 274 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: the sheep. There was that in the Bible. There was 275 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: there was no record. There was no conversation after that. 276 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: And after he was a noiady to be next to 277 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: be the next king, there was no conversation. But he 278 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: never said well when am I going to be king? 279 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: That wasn't even the focus. His focus was how can 280 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: I be of service? And him his desire to be 281 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: of service put him on a path that ushered in 282 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: him ultimately ultimately being the next king. Why is that important? 283 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: Because so often we put so much energy and effort 284 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: into forcing this dream to come to fruition that we 285 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: don't have control over. I started working in Holley when 286 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: I was eighteen. I knew at eighteen years old that 287 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: I wanted to have my own production company. It took 288 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: eighteen years before I was able to open my company. 289 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: Eighteen years of showing up, being you know, teachable, learning 290 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: the business, building my character, building my integrity. So by 291 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: the time that I, you know, it was, it was manifest. 292 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: By the time the dream happened, I was able to 293 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: handle it. So I share all that to say, if 294 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: somebody is in a season of impatience, I would say, 295 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: don't do that to yourself. When do you know to pivot? 296 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: You may never need to pivot. Do what you need 297 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: to do to keep the lights on, pay the bills. 298 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: But if you have a dream, keep pursuing it, keep 299 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: working at it. Why not and guess what what if 300 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: it never happens, If you've made the commitment to be 301 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: of service and to have a great life, you will 302 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: have a great life. And maybe you say, okay, well 303 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: that's a dream that you know. I had fun working 304 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: on it, but it never turned out to be what 305 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be. And that's okay, 306 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: because here's what I did with my life. And so 307 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: for me, it's really about that perspective. You know, at 308 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: times when things were not moving at the pace I wanted, 309 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: I had to find other things to really give me 310 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: outlets for creativity. So when I was working, you know, 311 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: as an executive, you know, it's like, Okay, that executive 312 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: path isn't necessarily. 313 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: A fast path. 314 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: It's you know, it's a steadfast, fast path where you 315 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: just have to take your time and you know, you 316 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: have to wait your turn and all of these things. 317 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: And so for me, what I didn't want to do 318 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: is I didn't want to put all of my joy 319 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: in my happiness in the Hollywood basket. I believe that 320 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: God was going to deliver the company at some point, 321 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: but at the time when I was an executive, I 322 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: didn't know when. 323 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: But I also knew that if I put all my. 324 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: Happiness in this job and in this industry, I'm not 325 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: going to be very happy because then my happiness is 326 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: going to be subject to what happens and what doesn't happen. 327 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: And then that means I'm not actually the keeper of 328 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: my happiness. I'm actually outsourcing my happiness to circumstances and 329 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: situations and people that what about on Monday they loved me, 330 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 3: but Tuesday they hate me. If my happiness is contingent 331 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: on them, then I'm never really going to be happy. 332 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: So what I started to do was to find while 333 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: I'm still working, still doing the job, still learning how 334 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: to tell great stories, I started to do other things. 335 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: One of those things was preaching. I was like, Okay, 336 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 3: preaching is a good outlet for me. It's a good outlet. 337 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: I can express myself, I can express my creativity. I 338 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: can help people, you know, it was great. Okay, writing books, okay, great, 339 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: I can write books. I can you know, help, I 340 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: can give advice. Those were things that God allowed me 341 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: to have the opportunity to do while I stayed committed 342 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: to what I believed he was going to do. So 343 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: I would encourage anyone that is, you know, struggling or 344 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 3: wondering should I pivot? 345 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: Should I not? 346 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 3: I would say, the dream was never meant to depress you. 347 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 3: That's not the design. 348 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: Of the dream. The dream was never meant It. 349 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 3: Was never meant to depress you. If anything, the dream 350 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 3: was meant to excite you. That God gave us that 351 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 3: should be a source of excitement. 352 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: Oh wow, And that's when you can identify you on 353 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: the right path exactly because it's like, oh, this is exciting. 354 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: I mean not be exactly where I want to be, 355 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: but I'm learning, I'm making progress. This is exciting. Every 356 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: time I think about it, I get excited. To me, 357 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 3: when we think of the dream and we get depressed, 358 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: it's because we're putting too much on the dream we 359 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: are in. We're imposing our will on that dream. Let 360 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 3: that dream be what it is, a source of vision, 361 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 3: a source of excitement, a source of direction. 362 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: And enjoy the. 363 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: Process because ultimately the process is the result. Meaning you 364 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: can get to a result, but if you didn't enjoy 365 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: the process, you're not going to enjoy the result. You 366 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 3: have a you know, dynamic production company, and you know 367 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 3: your you know, dynamic talent, and have the podcast and 368 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: all of the things. But leading up to that, if 369 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: you didn't find peace, enjoy in the process, you get 370 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 3: to this moment and then this moment you can't enjoy 371 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: any of it because you and you weren't practicing that. 372 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: And if you think the destination is going to be 373 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 3: the source of fulfillment, then what happens is when you 374 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 3: get to that destination and it doesn't fulfill you the 375 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: way you thought it would, you then you don't know 376 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: what to do because you're like, I've struggled, I've given 377 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: all my life for this, and I thought this was 378 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: going to produce this feeling and I got this and 379 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: it didn't. Why Because the feeling, the practice of that 380 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: good feeling is something that we got to work on 381 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 3: right now. Doesn't matter how much money you got into 382 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: bank account, it doesn't matter what kind of job you got. 383 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: All of us have happiness, love and enjoy within us 384 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 3: right now. How do I know? Because right now, if 385 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: somebody listening, and let's say someone came to somebody watching 386 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: this as they're watching it and say, hey, here's a 387 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: check for a million dollars, what's going to happen? 388 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: That person is probably gonna be very happy? Well, where'd the. 389 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: Happiness come from? What is in the Was it in 390 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: the check or was it in our response? If it's 391 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: within our response, that means it's already within us. So 392 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: then we are the ones that determine when we produce 393 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: happiness and when we produce joy, and when we produce fulfillment. 394 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: So my belief is work on producing that right now, 395 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: because the more you find your joy in whatever you're doing, 396 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: the more joyful the process and the more joyful the result. 397 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: So anyway, it's a long ends zero question. I mean, 398 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: Listen's sen I need a collection plate because. 399 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean give me the cash apt to tie my temple. 400 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: You know, you do talk about service, and that's the 401 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: reason why I'm so happy for you. You have a 402 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: multi year deal with Tyler Perry. Yes, some who's a 403 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: friend of mine as well. And one thing I know 404 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: about mister Perry because he said to me, you call 405 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: me mister Perry, and I'll tell you to call me Tyler. So, 406 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: mister Perry, I'm waiting for you to give me. I 407 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: call you by your first name, so I won't tell you. 408 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: Give me the permission what you're able to call him Tyler. 409 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: You are of service to not only the industry. What 410 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: I love about the partnership to me is the fact 411 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: that it shows that two powerhouses can work together on 412 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: the common goal of producing movies and television. You have 413 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: a new film that is coming out tomorrow called Ruth 414 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: and Boas And what in case there's somebody who has 415 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 2: not read their Bible, explain to us the story of 416 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: them and what we can expect from this film. 417 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with the expectation this film is going 418 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: to be your new favorite love story. It is so good. 419 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 3: Felicia Rashad is in it. She plays the kind of 420 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 3: matriarchal character called Naomi. Ruth is played by Sorea and 421 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 3: Boas is played by Tyler Lepley. And when you see 422 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: these two on screen, it is nothing but pure magic. 423 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 3: And the story is really about Ruth. You know Ruth 424 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 3: if you go back to the scripture, you know she's 425 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 3: a woman who's lost her mate and she goes on 426 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 3: a journey back to the. 427 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: Homeland of Naomi. 428 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 3: And Naomi originally is like, no, I don't want you 429 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: to come with me, but Ruth says, no, I'm supposed 430 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: to help you. And so she goes back to her 431 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: homeland and Ruth has to find a way to provide 432 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: for her in Naomi, and so she goes out to 433 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: get a job and she finds herself working in the 434 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: field that is owned by Boaz and because of her 435 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 3: work ethic, he takes notice of her and then he 436 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 3: starts to get to know her. And the thing about 437 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: Ruth in our film is that she comes from a 438 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 3: very difficult background. You know, she was put in the 439 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: foster system. Her mom abandoned her when she was a 440 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: young child. She was in the foster system. She was 441 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: bounced around a lot. She you know, had a voice, 442 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: and so she found herself on the Atlanta music scene. 443 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: But there was something in her spirit that did not resonate, 444 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: and she felt like every time she led someone in 445 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 3: to her heart, there was always a tragedy or something 446 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: difficult that happened. So when she meets Boaz in our film, 447 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: she's just there to work. She's working in his vineyard. 448 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: She's just there to work and go on about her business. 449 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 3: But he sees a light in her and he wants 450 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: to get to know who she is. But initially she's 451 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 3: very resistant because she doesn't know she can trust it. 452 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: There's something about him that just seems too good. And 453 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: over the course of the film you start to see 454 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 3: her let down her walls and him also find a 455 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: safe space in her. And then there's a you know, 456 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: there's some dynamic where her past comes to haunt her 457 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: and her and Boaz had to figure out how they're 458 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 3: going to deal with it. 459 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: But this is a story that is rooted in the word. 460 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: The Book of Ruth, you know, is one of the 461 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: most you know, famous books in the Bible, and this 462 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: story has stood the test of time. Because what I 463 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: find so beautiful about the story, which is why I 464 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: wanted to make this movie. There's a lot of people, 465 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: you know, are out here looking for love. And when 466 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 3: I looked at the story, I said, Oh, this is fascinating. 467 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: Whenever we talk about Ruth or Boaz, you know, in 468 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: the church, it's like, oh, go find your Boaz, like 469 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: that is like every black church in the country, you know. 470 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: But the thing about this is Ruth nor Boaz went 471 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: looking for love. 472 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: That's not what happened. 473 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: Ruth made a commitment to Naomi to be of service, 474 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: and as she fulfilled that commitment, the reward was her 475 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: being blessed with love. Boas wasn't looking for love. He 476 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: was there trying to be a good steward over the 477 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: blessing that God had given him in the form of 478 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 3: the fields and the things that he owned, and right 479 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: there he didn't have. 480 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: To go looking. God brought her to him. 481 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: So when you see this movie, you see two people 482 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: that the only thing they have to do is to 483 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: be open to love. 484 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: They don't have to look for love. 485 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: And I wanted to do a movie with this kind 486 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: of message because I see so many people that are 487 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 3: depressed and frustrating and angry and just wondering, you know, 488 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: when's my turn and why not me? And what I 489 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 3: realize is that when you're looking for something, you enhance 490 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 3: the absence of it instead of living in the presence 491 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: of it. Okay, you don't have to have a looking spirit, 492 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: have a receiving spirit, be ready to receive love however 493 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: it chooses to arise. However, what I would encourage someone 494 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: to not do, and you'll see this in the film, is, 495 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: you know, don't stop living your life. You know, don't 496 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 3: stop find out what is the greater good for you 497 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: and commit to that, commit to being of service, commit 498 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: to finding the value in your life. Enrich your life 499 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 3: right now through commitment and service. And I believe that 500 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: when we do that, when love does show up, we 501 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 3: actually actually have more to give and we don't overburden 502 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: the relationship by trying to get that person we're in 503 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: relationship with to do something for ourselves that we don't do. 504 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 3: So if I'm looking for love and I find you know, 505 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: my wife Maria, if I find her, let's say before like, 506 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: you know, what I get I find her, and I'm 507 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: not practicing loving myself, I'm not practicing contentment. Then what 508 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do is I'm a demand that she does 509 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: all the things that I need her to do for 510 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: me to feel happy. Why because I'm the one that 511 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: hasn't done the work to know what happiness even looks like. 512 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: So a lot of times we're out here trying to 513 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: find someone and then we find that person and we 514 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: don't actually even know what it is. We think it's 515 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: their job to make us happy. No, happiness is inside job. 516 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 3: And so when you see this film, both of them 517 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: have to take ownership of that happiness and that love, 518 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: and then when they come together, they have something to share. 519 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 3: And that, to me is when people see this film. 520 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: What I'm excited about is that it shows it in 521 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: such a beautiful, tender, loving way, in a way that 522 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: I haven't seen in a love story in our culture 523 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: in a very long time. 524 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 2: Well, I definitely believe in God's timing, and that's why 525 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: I want you all to watch Ruth and boas that's 526 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: on Netflix. One thing I will say is in regards 527 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: of God's timing, you do speak about Maria, your wife, 528 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: and first of all, I havn't senior since you got married, 529 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: So congratulations, Thank the Internet with the photos. My audience 530 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: is largely women from all walks of life. Who what 531 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: you said about this love story Ruth and Boas is 532 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: about loving yourself first before you can really go out 533 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 2: there looking for love. We all know about a seer 534 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: a prayer she found Russ. Okay, I want to know 535 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 2: what is the Divonne Franklin prayer? Because for you, you were 536 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 2: able to find you know, love this time around. And 537 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: when you speak of Ma Maria and all the things 538 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: that she provides in your life, your face lights up. 539 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: So for those who may have gone through, you know, 540 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: a divorce or breakup of anything, what advice or. 541 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Prayer I should say? Yeah? 542 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: Should we tell ourselves in terms of being in a 543 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: place to receive that. Oftentimes what people do, unfortunately divine, 544 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: is they rush into something or they're desperate to get it. 545 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: And when I look at you, you you were a 546 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: man who was able to take his time in and 547 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 2: was able to you know, find love. 548 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know there's a scripture that says created 549 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 3: me a clean heart and renew a right spirit within. 550 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: And when you're going. 551 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: Through something or you've been through something you just have 552 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: to pause and acknowledge is what you went through. You know, 553 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: right now, if you walk out on the street and 554 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: we're in New York and a car hits you, and 555 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 3: you get up from the scene of that that accident, 556 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 3: and you know your leg is bloody, and you know 557 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: maybe you even have a broken bone, and you start 558 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: trying to walk down the street as if nothing's wrong, 559 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 3: people gonna look at you like you're crazy. We saw 560 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: you got hit. Well, I don't want to I don't 561 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: want anybody to know. No, we all saw it. It's 562 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: okay you you can acknowledge that you're hurt, because when 563 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: you acknowledge that you're hurt, you can then actually get healing. 564 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: But if you are walking like nothing's wrong and then 565 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: you're just trying to rush down the street, what's going 566 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: to happen. Your injury is gonna get worse. So when 567 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: it comes to relationships, when it comes to heartbreak, we 568 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 3: first just have to say it happened, and it hurt, 569 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: and and and sit in that pain, sit in it 570 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: for a moment, and say, wow, that really Because what 571 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: we want to do is to rush. Something happens and 572 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 3: we don't want we don't want to feel it, we 573 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: don't want nobody know we felt it. But then we 574 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: don't actually get the benefit it could provide if we 575 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 3: allowed it to teach us something. So sitting in that pain, 576 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 3: you know when I say, creating me a clean heart 577 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: and renew a right spirit within, Lord, help me understand 578 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: what I can take from this pain. What does this 579 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: pain want to teach me? So then the other part 580 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: of this was sitting in it. Part of the prayer 581 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: was that, okay, Lord, give me the ability to learn 582 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: what I need to know from this. And then the 583 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: other part is, okay, Lord, the prayer is the same 584 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: grace in space that you give all of us. Lord, 585 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 3: Please give me the strength to give that to myself. 586 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: When I say grace in space, I mean hey, grace 587 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 3: to say, Hey, I'm hurt and I need the grace 588 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: from God to help me figure out how to move 589 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 3: forward and the space for myself to heal so that 590 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 3: I'm not you know, saying Okay, well, I've got to 591 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: go back out here and I've got to present this 592 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: image and I've got to do this, and I've got 593 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: to do that because people are expecting this and da 594 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: dah da da dah. And I have this image and 595 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 3: I need to hold the image. And so uh uh no, 596 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: that's a very's that's very tight. That's a very suffocating 597 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: place to live versus space. Like, hey, you know what, Hey, 598 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: people are going to think what they want to think. 599 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: I'm not worried about their thoughts. I'm not trying to 600 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 3: manipulate or manufacture anyone's opinion about me. I'm going through 601 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: a process where I've got a heal from what I 602 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: just went through. And in that process of healing, and 603 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: and part of healing is introspection and and and looking within, 604 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: you know. 605 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I have therapists. 606 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 3: And life coaches and you know, journal and wrote, I mean, 607 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 3: and prayed and studied the world. I did so many 608 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 3: things and continue to do these things as it relates 609 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: to my healing journey. Yet as I did these things, 610 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: you know, the prayer was God truly creating me a 611 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: clean heart, a new heart, like renew a right spirit 612 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: within me, you know, Like I don't want my heart 613 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 3: to be hardened. I want my heart to stay open. 614 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: I want to learn from this. I want to become better. 615 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 3: I want to become a better individual, a better you know, 616 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: human being, more loving, more understanding, more compassionate. And as 617 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: I prayed that prayer and as I align my actions 618 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: with it, what began to happen is the prayers started 619 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: to get answered. Right, And so meeting Maria wasn't the 620 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: answer to the prayer. It was it was an extension 621 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: of what God was already doing. So I had started 622 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: the prayer, you know, years ago, as I was trying 623 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: to put the pieces of my life back together, and 624 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: then God would continuously give me answers like, Okay, here's 625 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: how you're going to feel stronger today. 626 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: Here's what's going to happen. 627 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 3: And then when Maria shows up, going back to what 628 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 3: we even talked about earlier, because I had already been 629 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: practicing that joy, that love, that healing, that commitment to 630 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 3: the process, that space and that grace, Maria shows up 631 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, okay, this is time because it 632 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 3: was consistent with the process that started years before I 633 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: even ever knew she existed. And so for me, you know, 634 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: when you talk about, you know, the prayer, the prayer 635 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: is really about the work, you know, and the work 636 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 3: is not a burden. It's not a burden, but it 637 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: does require effort. It does require a lot of effort, 638 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: you know, because one of the things we don't like 639 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 3: to do. We like to take selfies, but we don't 640 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: like to look at each other look at ourselves. We 641 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 3: like to take a selfie, but we really don't like 642 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: to look at ourselves. And when I say look at ourselves, 643 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: I'm talking about we don't like to look in the 644 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: emotional mirror and identify what's going on. It's very easy 645 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 3: for us to point the finger and say, well, it's 646 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 3: their fault, or if my boss had been this way, 647 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 3: or my mama I have been that. We love to 648 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: point the finger, but pointing the finger points it away 649 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: from what we actually have control of, which is us 650 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 3: coming through what I went through. The only person I 651 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: could change was me. So I instead of pointing the 652 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 3: finger and saying, well, you know, this person didn't do that, 653 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: and that person didn't do this. Okay, that may be true, 654 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: but Devin, what you're gonna do, and allowing myself to 655 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: look at myself and identify, here's what I did wrong, 656 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: Here's what I could have done better. Here are some 657 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 3: areas and opportunities for growth without judgment. Instead of judgment, 658 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: myself how could you be so stupid? No, no, no, 659 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 3: We all around this journey called life. We do the 660 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: best we can, but what we know when we know it, 661 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 3: and sometimes we're gonna look back and say, oh, well 662 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 3: I didn't know what I know now, so I did 663 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: the best I could at that moment. So why judge myself? 664 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: Why judge yourself? We all go through experiences and have 665 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 3: mistakes and things that we wish we would have done different, 666 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 3: but then we didn't and we get. 667 00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: A chance to learn from it. 668 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 3: So you know, that was in so many different words, 669 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: that was the prayer, you know, creating me a clean 670 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 3: heart and renew a right spirit within me. And I 671 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: feel grateful that he has done that and continues to 672 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 3: do it. 673 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even thank you enough for that. 674 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: I mean, the words of wisdom and listen, like I said, 675 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: I know my audience and your words that you have 676 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: blessed us with is going to change their lives because 677 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: the articulation of not only the wisdom, but the spirituality 678 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 2: that was felt in this room, you know, from God 679 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: through you to me and subsequently to them has really 680 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 2: manifested a breakthrough. So I can't thank you, and it 681 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: really has. It really has, and I can't thank you 682 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: enough or for being here. I know you're a busy guy, 683 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: So rain Dross, make sure to go on your Netflix, 684 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: don't go on your auntie's app, don't log in through 685 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: her app. We need to make sure this is number 686 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: one okay on Netflix, So spend the twelve ninety nine 687 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: if you may, and make sure you all check out 688 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: Ruth and Boaz that is out on Friday. 689 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much to offer. You're welcome. Thank you, 690 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: my brother truly appreciate you. 691 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, 692 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership. 693 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: With the Lack Effect Network. 694 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at 695 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: the Carlos King Underscore