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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with I R Radio Zach. We're just jumping into this

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Speaker 1: because I didn't know how else to start, because I'm

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Speaker 1: truly nervous about interviewing you. It is. It's not very

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Speaker 1: often that I get nervous anymore, but I've been a

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Speaker 1: little bit dreading this today because we have railed on

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Speaker 1: you a lot. Okay, And I'm like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: whether he's heard this, but I feel like in general,

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Speaker 1: your fan feedback on becoming Bachelor has been, um, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: you said, not me, it is it is. Uh. It's

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Speaker 1: been a unique uh like reception, I guess, which I

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Speaker 1: completely understand. Funny enough, like no one really knows who

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Speaker 1: I am a lot of last season, like I'm just

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Speaker 1: kind of this big, tall dude with a deep voice,

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Speaker 1: that guy? So I get it, and I've seen most

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Speaker 1: of it. Well. On your season, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: guys didn't get a ton of screen time because you know,

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Speaker 1: there are two bachelorretes to cover. Previously, we had Clayton,

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Speaker 1: who didn't have much screen time become the Bachelor, and

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Speaker 1: I think we were like, oh, well, we really know

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Speaker 1: nothing about this guy, so maybe he'll be a big surprise.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like the fandom felt like they knew

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Speaker 1: enough about you since you got to top three on

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Speaker 1: Rachel's side, that they could determine whether or not you'd

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Speaker 1: be a good Bachelor. But like, what are I say

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Speaker 1: this with all the sweetness in the world, what are

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Speaker 1: we all missing that casting saw from you that they

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Speaker 1: thought like this is the guy of everybody? That's a

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Speaker 1: good question. Um, I think it really came down to

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Speaker 1: it's really about with me. It's about finding an actual

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Speaker 1: forever person in not giving about you know, the fame

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Speaker 1: or the cloud or the social media stuff. Like to me,

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Speaker 1: I'm at that point in my life where I'm ready

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Speaker 1: to settle down and I'm a romantic guy and bring

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Speaker 1: it back to that now. You know, if if fans

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Speaker 1: want the just unnecessary drama, then yeah, I'm probably not

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Speaker 1: your guy. But if you want someone that takes it

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Speaker 1: serious and like leads everything I do with intention and honesty,

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Speaker 1: then it really brings it back to the core of

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Speaker 1: the show, right of the love and actually wanting this

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Speaker 1: to work because I know this whole you know, Bachelor

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Speaker 1: Nation there's been not a lot of successful relationships, and

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Speaker 1: that was my fear. And I was like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna do it and unless it's taken seriously, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's what you know, fans can expect. But also, my

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Speaker 1: personality wasn't really shown last season at all, and uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of I guess, like my sense of

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Speaker 1: humor was not brought up at all, and I think

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Speaker 1: I have a pretty good one. My dad jokes are

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty terrible. But just like everything in general, like,

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Speaker 1: it's like personalities will be shown and I think people

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Speaker 1: will be pleasantly surprised. Okay, well, I think that was

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Speaker 1: a really good answer, And now I want to actually

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Speaker 1: ask you some questions that I feel like could show

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Speaker 1: your personality and make the viewers a little bit more

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Speaker 1: excited for Monday night's premiere. Sure, are you ready give

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Speaker 1: us a weird interest of yours. A weird interest could

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Speaker 1: be anything. Um, I have a really weird food thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's that? Grew up? Oh, god, grew up? You grew

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Speaker 1: up eating this on pancakes. That's really weird it is,

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Speaker 1: I know, how did you get to start that? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I mean it started from my grandma. I

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Speaker 1: don't know like what her taste buds were telling her.

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Speaker 1: She did it like whenever she stayed with us, She's like,

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Speaker 1: isn't this supposed to go on hot dogs? And she's like, no,

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Speaker 1: actually it's really good. I'm assuming it tastes like a

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Speaker 1: kindish Have you had to kindish? I've not had to connect. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's like a very like New York Jewish thing that

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Speaker 1: It's like a potato pancake and you put you smother

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Speaker 1: it with with mustard and it's delicious, well if you

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Speaker 1: think about it, and it's mustard and then a carb, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: syrup on it though, still which is a little weird.

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Speaker 1: Oh what you didn't now? This is interesting? Yes, Zach,

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Speaker 1: you're winning us over word, like each word that comes

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Speaker 1: out of your bath. Because I was like thinking that

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Speaker 1: the whole serrup thing. We all think you're a wacko now,

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Speaker 1: and we all love wackos extra syrup. So when girls

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Speaker 1: discover this, this taste of yours, what's the reaction? Usually

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Speaker 1: do you eat pancakes around women? It's a deal breaker

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Speaker 1: if they don't like it, I'm telling them that now. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it definitely gets mixed reactions. My thing is, try it once,

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Speaker 1: And it's actually a weird combo of good flavors. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: next question, when was it time that you got in

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Speaker 1: big trouble? So? Growing up, I was actually a kid

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Speaker 1: several instances. Now, I had a friend take a test

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Speaker 1: intelligent of you all, like, obviously a great idea, and

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Speaker 1: sent it to the teacher? And he's like, don't worry,

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Speaker 1: up being since I had a few beers at a party,

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Speaker 1: Was it a Catholic school of a Christian school? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was a Catholic school first. Yeah, just ridiculous. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I went to A a few times as a kid. Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a good story. Good story. Give us a dating

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Speaker 1: catastrophe off camera. Oh, okay, I did have a very

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Speaker 1: unique day. Uh. Actually out in Austin, I had met

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, she starts talking about psychedelics

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Speaker 1: helped my friends trip on psychedelics. And I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like okay, so like you were really

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Speaker 1: Is everything? She's like, oh, no, You're good. But I'm

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Speaker 1: let's just eat our spaghetti ago No could she eat? Oh?

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Speaker 1: She was yeah, she was eating. I think like I

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Speaker 1: relatively recently. Yeah, yeah, what's the most embarrassing moment of

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Speaker 1: your life? The most embarrassing moment of my life? Um,

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Speaker 1: I remember just like blabbering to Jesse during the announcement,

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Speaker 1: in just pure disbelief. I was like, like I just

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Speaker 1: I'm just now announced the bachelor. And it never really

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Speaker 1: was so embarrassed for so long about that. To make

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Speaker 1: the fan feedback? How did that feel? Did you just

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Speaker 1: feel like you had the coolest moment of your life

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Speaker 1: like that's a gut punch because it's like these people

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Speaker 1: hurtful stuff, like I get like opinions, Like opinions are

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Speaker 1: like as souls, everyone has them. Um. The whole fact

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Speaker 1: it took time to get used to because it's like

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Speaker 1: no one likes to be told that you're you know,

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Speaker 1: and I think people will be pleasantly surprised. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: the other upside is that you could only surprise people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was starting at the bottom, I'll tell you that

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Speaker 1: you seem like a lovely, wonderful man. Though I feel

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Speaker 1: like nobody has that out against you. I think people

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Speaker 1: just think is he bachelor leading man? Not that like

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous

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