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Speaker 2: I think this is a perfect example of why we
Speaker 2: have to pay writers, because I'm sure this was a
Speaker 2: first draft like this does on and you carried it, Joy,
Speaker 2: You carried this first draft so hard because it's like
Speaker 2: it's the big fight between Nathan and Haley about Nanny Carey,
Speaker 2: like all of a sudden, all the information is coming
Speaker 2: to light, and Carrie's like, girl, he loves me. He
Speaker 2: doesn't even love you, and he kissed me and it
Speaker 2: is heinous and you carried it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. There was Yeah, there was a lot.
Speaker 1: There was a lot to handle on this episode, a
Speaker 1: lot of juggling, a lot of like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would be as calm as Haley was
Speaker 1: and Nathan came home, if I was like the day
Speaker 1: after I had found my husband in the shower with
Speaker 1: the nanny. Oh oh no, just as like as a recap.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about We're talking about Season five, episode ten,
Speaker 2: Running to stand Still air date mark fourth, two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. Sophia see if any of this rings about?
Speaker 2: Brook invites Owen to New York for a glimpse into
Speaker 2: her business close over Bros.
Speaker 1: And finds Rachel in her apartment.
Speaker 2: A devastating state. That was devastating. Hayley reels from a
Speaker 2: devastating blow to her marriage. There is a lot of devastation.
Speaker 3: Were calling the shower a devastating blow?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what Carrie wanted to call it. While Nathan
Speaker 2: and Lucas muster their courage to attend Dan's parole hearing,
Speaker 2: and then randomly a major record label takes an interest
Speaker 2: in Paya's recording artists Miya did you just say?
Speaker 1: Paya? Did I know? And Mia Peyton and Mia Pia
Speaker 1: is the ship.
Speaker 2: I feel like the Peyton Mia stuff is a totally
Speaker 2: different TV show. We were just being Saney, like everybody
Speaker 2: else is dealing with horrible and we're over there doing
Speaker 2: some like you know, Saved by the Bell episode.
Speaker 1: Even Quentin's life is changing, oh because in his hand
Speaker 1: and like the Yeah, everybody else is dealing with really
Speaker 1: heavy stuff and here are you guys are in noises
Speaker 1: off it was running around like I don't know.
Speaker 2: What those guy's crazy. Uh So, just as like a reminder.
Speaker 2: When the episode opens, Haley is driving home from the library.
Speaker 2: It picks up at the same night as the last
Speaker 2: episode left off. Nathan and Jamie get home. First, Haley's
Speaker 2: in her car like, baby, you will not believe this,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I love you so much, I'll see
Speaker 2: you at home. And then it's crazy to me that
Speaker 2: all of this happens over the course of twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ten minutes later, so I remember, Okay, I
Speaker 1: remember shooting that scene. We were on a We were
Speaker 1: on a stage that they had set up just Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley's bathroom in, which was never their bathroom again
Speaker 1: I think maybe one other time, but otherwise we always
Speaker 1: had our bathroom off the bedroom. So that was strange.
Speaker 1: It was a completely different set, and if you watch
Speaker 1: the episode you'll see I mean, if you watch The
Speaker 1: Future and this one, but it was one of those
Speaker 1: where it's like, it's a closed set, But how closed
Speaker 1: is it? Because people seem to always find their way
Speaker 1: onto the set when there's a girl in a shower.
Speaker 2: And there's monitors everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, monitors everywhere. So poor Tory. I mean, she took
Speaker 1: it like a champ. And I wasn't there for most
Speaker 1: of it because they did have a lot of close
Speaker 1: ups and things that were they shot in the shower
Speaker 1: before I got there. But I also remember feeling like,
Speaker 1: and I watched that back and I was like, did
Speaker 1: I hurt Tory? I really hope, And I kind of
Speaker 1: want to text her while we're because I grabbed her
Speaker 1: by the back of the head and shoved her out
Speaker 1: of the room. You flung her out of the room.
Speaker 1: I really need to text her and ask her if
Speaker 1: she remembers that seemed I really hope I didn't, but
Speaker 1: she sold it really well. If that was just a stunt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted the camera to chase her though, joy.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see like her body sprawled out on
Speaker 2: your bedroom floor, just like naked wet oh man.
Speaker 1: But I did feel kind of i'd felt jealous. I
Speaker 1: remember feeling that going in. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: not okay.
Speaker 2: Oh isn't that weird? How we know it's not real?
Speaker 2: But every like sell in our body is like fite,
Speaker 2: it's real, Get mad adrenaline.
Speaker 3: There's also something to that. I think that's really interesting
Speaker 3: because you it's not necessarily your jealousy, but like you
Speaker 3: do become the steward of your character. You do have
Speaker 3: feelings about where she goes and how she's treated. You know.
Speaker 3: I remember having issues with storylines being in, thinking to myself,
Speaker 3: Brooke Davis does not deserve this, and then I'd go,
Speaker 3: this is insane, Like what am I?
Speaker 1: What am I saying?
Speaker 3: But if you do really wanna you want to defend
Speaker 3: these women, I mean, we were with them as them
Speaker 3: for so long, and yeah, I don't know that kind
Speaker 3: of a betrayal. I mean, in the great love story
Speaker 3: of our show, that that would have been a hard
Speaker 3: pill to swallow.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, after you know, five years of being
Speaker 1: tied up with attached at the hip, Yeah yeah. Oh.
Speaker 1: My armchair theology with some of this too is that
Speaker 1: as and I don't know how you guys are in
Speaker 1: your real life about this, but for me, especially when
Speaker 1: I was younger, acting really was a space like kind
Speaker 1: of the only space I allowed myself to really be
Speaker 1: vulnerable because it's like, the risk isn't real, but you
Speaker 1: can experience the feeling of taking risks and being really
Speaker 1: raw and real and vulnerable without there ever actually being
Speaker 1: any real stakes like there would be in real life.
Speaker 1: And so I think when yeah, I think when things
Speaker 1: happen in storylines with characters that I was playing for
Speaker 1: a long time, it hit on that nerve of I know,
Speaker 1: it's not real, but this is like my one safe
Speaker 1: space to be vulnerable. Don't ruin it. It's so dumb.
Speaker 2: The feeling I remember is like they put they put
Speaker 2: us through all these like different scenarios, and that's what
Speaker 2: TV is. It's like, what's the worst thing we can
Speaker 2: throw at this person? And Peyton certainly experienced her fair
Speaker 2: share of that, and I remember this overwhelming feeling of
Speaker 2: how could you do this to me? And I would
Speaker 2: feel it about like the writers, like how could you
Speaker 2: do this to Peyton? But I would have to apply
Speaker 2: it to the actor in the scene.
Speaker 1: Why do you guys keep hurting her? Keep hurting me? Yes?
Speaker 2: And so it's like there's very real stuff going on
Speaker 2: in the production that makes you feel like is this
Speaker 2: a dig at me? Or is this the character? Because
Speaker 2: that line got really blurry I think for a lot
Speaker 2: of us in these later years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that feeling of.
Speaker 2: Like are you punishing me? Is this punishment for something?
Speaker 3: Is it personal?
Speaker 1: Is it what's real?
Speaker 2: What's not real? I don't know anymore?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well.
Speaker 3: Enjoy you said something. We started to talk about this
Speaker 3: that you don't know that you would have been that calm,
Speaker 3: you know, had you found your you know, your husband
Speaker 3: in the shower with the nanny like we were so young,
Speaker 3: had you ever been through a betrayal like that or
Speaker 3: were you having to guess? So you were having to guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I don't I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I was thinking, well, they're married, there's the you know,
Speaker 1: the commitment is strong and deep there, and there has
Speaker 1: to be some level of like, of course she's hurt
Speaker 1: and disappointed, but she has to try and listen. That's fair,
Speaker 1: So it's trying to be I guess fair. But man,
Speaker 1: if I found my husband in the shower with somebody else,
Speaker 1: I don't think the next morning I'd be like having
Speaker 1: a relatively calm conversation. I don't think that would happen.
Speaker 2: And also it bugs out of me that, like, because
Speaker 2: we have to go to like a commercial break, people
Speaker 2: don't just have full conversations.
Speaker 1: It's like Nathan's saying things, but he's only saying snippets.
Speaker 2: He's like, you don't understand I didn't want her, and
Speaker 2: it's like, it's not what you think it is.
Speaker 1: Tell me what it is, then, please finish.
Speaker 2: Tell me that you thought it was me calming into
Speaker 2: the shower and when you turned around, it was this
Speaker 2: psycho that has fixated on you.
Speaker 1: Why is that so hard? Say the words?
Speaker 2: Say it yeah, because boys are bad at communication.
Speaker 3: And then say she started to be inappropriate with me.
Speaker 3: I was about to tell you that we needed to
Speaker 3: do something about it, because I had spoken to her
Speaker 3: about not speaking to me the way she was, and
Speaker 3: then she said she'd be different, and then she hit
Speaker 3: on me again and literally that I was about to
Speaker 3: tell you one night, and she walked in and said
Speaker 3: she was quitting, and I thought, you know what, Yeah, good,
Speaker 3: she's leaving. I don't need to I don't need to
Speaker 3: ruin how my wife and my son feel about this person.
Speaker 3: And I'll just make sure she's not in our house anymore.
Speaker 3: There's so many things he could have said to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead he said, he said, I wasn't into her.
Speaker 1: Okay, seems like you were if you let that go
Speaker 1: for so long he watched me swim naked. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: the trajectory of that too. I mean, if we're do
Speaker 1: you guys want to bounce around? Do you want to
Speaker 1: go one storyline at a time? Girl? Listen, this episode
Speaker 1: is no rules man. Oh all right, well, I'll just
Speaker 1: finish this one out then, because this was the episode
Speaker 1: where Jamie's drowns in the pool, and it was such
Speaker 1: a big deal. You know, the fighting and getting him
Speaker 1: to float upside down in the pool was a whole thing,
Speaker 1: and you know he did, you know, Jackson was awesome.
Speaker 2: I can't believe they had him do that, like, yeah, like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe his mom was like, sure, sure, let's feel.
Speaker 1: That big episode for a little kid to be yelling
Speaker 1: I hate you at someone like even as an actor,
Speaker 1: just to have your child yelling that, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know how I feel about that at their mom. But
Speaker 1: then yeah, doing the dead float. I think he had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing the dead float. But it
Speaker 1: was hard for me to watch it because I had
Speaker 1: a dog drown and no like I had that basically
Speaker 1: exact experience with an actual pet, and so it was very,
Speaker 1: very difficult to watch them. I forgot about this completely.
Speaker 1: But then Hayley's holding her son, who's just recovered from drowning,
Speaker 1: and then she says the words I want a divorce
Speaker 1: right while she's holding him to n Man, I was like,
Speaker 1: who wrote this? And thought this was okay? I just
Speaker 1: could not. I remember on the day having a very
Speaker 1: hard time making that make sense. I still can't.
Speaker 2: I thought you, I thought you did. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 2: I thought you made it make sense. Like that was
Speaker 2: he had taken your attention one last time. Nathan had
Speaker 2: taken your attention one last time, and this time it
Speaker 2: was a matter of life or death for your son,
Speaker 2: like he is a constant distraction to what you should
Speaker 2: be focusing on. And I could feel that like grow
Speaker 2: the fuck up energy coming from Haley, like that was
Speaker 2: an important thing because these boys do have peter Pan qualities.
Speaker 2: That yeah, super cute. I could never date boys my
Speaker 2: own age because I'm totally grossed out by them because
Speaker 2: of those peter Pan qualities. And I could see Haley's exasperation,
Speaker 2: just like I'm done.
Speaker 1: I'm done.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That very typical archetype of the person who centers
Speaker 3: every situation on them, who puts themselves in the center
Speaker 3: of the ring every time, all the time, and you
Speaker 3: just go Eventually, you can't keep saying sometimes I need
Speaker 3: to be in the center. Eventually you have to say
Speaker 3: I can't be in the ring with you anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When he said to Haley, Haley's like, you know, everything's
Speaker 2: about you. And when he says to Haley, everything I
Speaker 2: do is for this family, girl, I almost threw my shoe.
Speaker 1: I was pissted because I was like.
Speaker 2: Wait, when she got into Stanford and you poked out
Speaker 2: basketball and then she still didn't get to go to Stanford,
Speaker 2: or when she gave birth to your baby because you
Speaker 2: didn't use protection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you sat in your wheelchair and moped for
Speaker 1: like a really long time and setting fingering out how
Speaker 1: to like get get up and go to physical therapy
Speaker 1: and work through everything and find a new job and
Speaker 1: find you find a way to still keep going in
Speaker 1: life because people suffer and that's just part of life.
Speaker 1: Like you're not special.
Speaker 2: Hailey spent her pregnancy with deb right out of rehab.
Speaker 2: Let me take care of your crazy in laws real
Speaker 2: quick as a teenager. Say it loud, girl, I'm just
Speaker 2: I was mad, and he's got a good heart.
Speaker 1: We love Nathan. It's not that we don't love Nathan.
Speaker 1: It's just always have to grow up at some point.
Speaker 1: Everybody has to grow, but you know it's time.
Speaker 2: If anything, we catch for always like glossing over Nathan's
Speaker 2: faults and like picking on Lucas.
Speaker 1: So here you go.
Speaker 3: We have a list.
Speaker 1: Kids at home.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, friends, we have lists. I think it's such
Speaker 3: a good representation, though, of that very real dynamic in relationships,
Speaker 3: where two people can be living in the same house
Speaker 3: having completely different experiences, like this person thinks the room
Speaker 3: is red and this person thinks the room is purple,
Speaker 3: and like, you have no idea. The other Deerson has
Speaker 3: a different feeling, but.
Speaker 2: In tree Hill, those are the only two color rooms
Speaker 2: that exists.
Speaker 3: You know, I obviously was thinking about yours first, but
Speaker 3: it really is interesting to see them modeling these dynamics that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's a million country songs written
Speaker 3: about this and not getting it right because they are
Speaker 3: a couple who's gotten it right so much and who
Speaker 3: we've idealized so much. It I don't know, as a viewer,
Speaker 3: I kind of get excited, even though I, on the
Speaker 3: one hand, feel your feeling of like why would you
Speaker 3: do this to us? On the other hand, I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's kind of cool when you see them screw up.
Speaker 3: It's cool when you see them not have all the
Speaker 3: answers and not be perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. It's a good storytelling that part.
Speaker 2: I think it was also easier for me to be
Speaker 2: mad at Nathan because he had a terrible haircut in
Speaker 2: this episode, and I was mad at the haircut.
Speaker 1: The whole time of you and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't like this one. Grow that back out. It
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't my fave either.
Speaker 2: Isn't it easier to be mad at a character when
Speaker 2: you're like that outfits dumb.
Speaker 1: You look steeping.
Speaker 2: He looked just so MOPy and sweaty and like mad,
Speaker 2: and he had too much product on his hair.
Speaker 1: I hated it. Yeah, it's one of those days. Well,
Speaker 1: you know who else had a pretty crazy look in
Speaker 1: this episode was Dan with the handlebar mustaches in prison.
Speaker 1: If by crazy you mean awesome.
Speaker 3: I love Paul at that handlebar. I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: Prison Paul is hot, is good, just a good look.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. It's pretty funny to see him like that,
Speaker 1: But I know he was having fun with it. Well
Speaker 1: that's it. He had total freedom just to be like
Speaker 1: Y did freak. You know. Yeah, if you guys are
Speaker 1: bringing me back on a recurring basis, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell they want. He seems like he's
Speaker 1: more free now, I think, and I think maybe it's
Speaker 1: because of the fact that they had I think at
Speaker 1: this point they had switched him to a recurring instead
Speaker 1: of series regular, and which basically that just means, folks,
Speaker 1: that you're not bound to live there as a local.
Speaker 1: They bring you in and out based on the episode
Speaker 1: they want to hire you for So there's just more
Speaker 1: a little bit more freedom to say no to things
Speaker 1: if you want. And I think maybe the autonomy, the
Speaker 1: feeling of autonomy to say no when he wanted to,
Speaker 1: made him feel more free because it's coming out in
Speaker 1: his work too. You could just see it in his eyes.
Speaker 1: He's being playful with the character. Yeah, but this is
Speaker 1: pretty good. What do we think about Dan getting parole?
Speaker 1: Did we? Oh?
Speaker 2: My god? Well, listen, hey, so Scott a jump, she's
Speaker 2: got someone bang door. You go, baby, we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about Dan talk. We love you, I love you.
Speaker 1: Bye. Guys.
Speaker 2: Like we said, there's no rules this episode. We can
Speaker 2: wing in it, which I hope everyone in the home
Speaker 2: is too. Should we start a drinking game?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: When you hear us say nanny Harry, I'll jump in
Speaker 1: for soph because one of my favorite Sophia quotes is
Speaker 1: what I will say, what I will say, So every
Speaker 1: time this will be an ode to Sophia. Whenever you
Speaker 1: hear when I will say, we'll take a little shot
Speaker 1: in honor of her.
Speaker 2: For me, if I deflect from anything emotional with like
Speaker 2: a terrible joke or just something inappropriate, you can drink.
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's start the list. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't do feelings well, and thankfully Peyton has zero
Speaker 2: feelings in this episode, which is wow, so great for me.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I did love. What I will say is
Speaker 1: that I loved I loved Peyton taking charge in a
Speaker 1: new way. And I think for some reason, the watching
Speaker 1: you in this episode right now, I kind of was
Speaker 1: able to look. I had this like bird's eye picture
Speaker 1: of everything Peyton's gone through over the last four seasons,
Speaker 1: five seasons, and how she's and just honestly to see
Speaker 1: you behind that desk making real decisions, standing up for
Speaker 1: yourself with douchebags, and not from a place of like
Speaker 1: I got to stand up for myself, but actually just
Speaker 1: being dropped into your body and being a woman. There's
Speaker 1: nothing to prove she's just I mean, there is insecurities,
Speaker 1: and there there were clearly like how do I figure
Speaker 1: this out? But it felt so mature and that was
Speaker 1: really fun to see Peyton living in that space.
Speaker 2: It was weird timing though, right like we were in
Speaker 2: the library the night before. Peyton's all like I love
Speaker 2: Lucas and now I've got to deal with this, like
Speaker 2: heaviness yeah, literally the next day, like not a reference
Speaker 2: to it, just like, yeah, Mia, we got to figure
Speaker 2: this out.
Speaker 1: It was kind of Actually that's true because the library
Speaker 1: was like all of Peyton's insecurities and immaturities on display
Speaker 1: at eleven, and now she's just like superboss businesswoman, like
Speaker 1: you know what, it's all sorted out. I let that
Speaker 1: man go. He's going to marry somebody else, and now
Speaker 1: I'm focusing on my career mine. I guess de finds it.
Speaker 2: So for all those chicks at home that are like
Speaker 2: Tyiton sabotage and every one of Lucas's relationships wrong, I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to get me on tour with Ryan Adams.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, did that ever happen?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Did it? Did we have
Speaker 1: him on the show. I guess we're gonna find out.
Speaker 1: I mean I can't remember at all.
Speaker 2: I just love that set. I love that once we
Speaker 2: utilize the pool table with poor Kate vocal. They were like,
Speaker 2: now we're going to use the pool table in every episode,
Speaker 2: but we're never letting Kate playpool again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just lined up those shots. Let me just
Speaker 1: tell you how this is gonna go. Pop pop pop, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll be fine. Well, it was fun to have John
Speaker 1: back well with what's his name's not actually John, I
Speaker 1: forgot the name of the actor, but the guy playing
Speaker 1: the record label exactly. It was fun to see that
Speaker 1: banter again and see how that stress come back into
Speaker 1: Peyton's life.
Speaker 2: I loved him because he he would just he was
Speaker 2: a mature actor, right, he'd been doing this forever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and all the insecurities that we had about asking questions
Speaker 2: or not knowing how to say something or what to
Speaker 2: do with our bodies, like, he did not have those
Speaker 2: same problems. His feet up on the desk was totally
Speaker 2: a hymn choice.
Speaker 1: Oh great.
Speaker 2: He for the life of him could not say me
Speaker 2: at Cottlano's last name, and he would just be like
Speaker 2: we have, which, for the last time I thought was
Speaker 2: a choice. I thought he was doing it as a
Speaker 2: choice in the scene like, yeah, he doesn't even care
Speaker 2: what her last name is, and they're like, no, you
Speaker 2: have to say her name meam, because maybe it was
Speaker 2: the first time we were actually like hearing her name.
Speaker 2: He was great, And I loved episodes like that because
Speaker 2: when you have multiple scenes in the same space, uh,
Speaker 2: with the same actor you do all your shit in
Speaker 2: one day, and then you're free.
Speaker 1: The whole rest of the episode.
Speaker 2: So I always look back on these episodes just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I must had a lot of fun that week.
Speaker 1: Was it fun to nice to just have a break
Speaker 1: from all the Lucas drama to be able to be
Speaker 1: in working women mode? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think it was so much more realistic to
Speaker 2: where we were in real life. You know, like at
Speaker 2: that point we had we were all in relationships, but
Speaker 2: like we were also all hustling. We were all really
Speaker 2: focused on like work, what are we going to do next?
Speaker 2: What are we going to do on hiatus? How do
Speaker 2: I make this work? In season five, you know, we
Speaker 2: signed six year contracts and so you're starting to see
Speaker 2: the light at the end of the tunnel, and it's
Speaker 2: like it's like, oh, I've got to line myself up
Speaker 2: so that i have a place to go after this.
Speaker 2: So I did feel a lot of that frantic energy
Speaker 2: of like, oh, make it count, make it count, make
Speaker 2: it count. And I, you know, was starting a production company,
Speaker 2: and it's fun to watch like a kid think that
Speaker 2: they're doing grown up business talk, you know, and you're
Speaker 2: just like, oh, that's so earnest. I wonder how many
Speaker 2: people I had production meetings with for my production company
Speaker 2: that were just like, she's.
Speaker 1: Trying so durable, she's learning. I don't think that was
Speaker 1: ever the case. You were always you always had great
Speaker 1: vision and really like knew what you wanted. I mean,
Speaker 1: I always took you seriously when you were talking well actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if anybody wasn't taken as seriously, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: say it to our face. They'd wait till we left
Speaker 2: the room. No, And I love the Kate is like
Speaker 2: getting to do more. Yeah, she's getting to be really
Speaker 2: I forgot that it was a payton mea setup with John.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot that too. That was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just really like, really, this chick's gonna
Speaker 2: go off and pout like what Peyton.
Speaker 1: Can't get a break?
Speaker 3: This is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she sold it. She was fantastic.
Speaker 2: And I like how much time I was getting to
Speaker 2: spend with her because I do know, you know, in
Speaker 2: all these years since that she had been warned to
Speaker 2: stay away from me and oh right, yeah, but all
Speaker 2: of our scenes are together and we're clearly having a
Speaker 2: great time, and so I'm excited to have Kate on
Speaker 2: at some point and get her perspective because she was
Speaker 2: like a little kid.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that, like, what a strange time
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, can you imagine being that young?
Speaker 1: I think she was she was nineteen or twenty. She
Speaker 1: was nineteen. She was still a teenager.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Here, let's get we want to put you on a
Speaker 1: major TV show. You're going to be with all these
Speaker 1: chicks who are older than you. Watch out for some
Speaker 1: of them. It gets treacherous there. And she's an't even
Speaker 1: a famous singer that like, she was just trying to
Speaker 1: She wasn't an actress. She was a singer. Who was
Speaker 1: I mean, what a bizarre thing to have happened to
Speaker 1: you at nineteen years old to be out singing and
Speaker 1: have somebody be like you want to be on a
Speaker 1: TV show and go uh uh huh yeah sure. And
Speaker 1: now it's full storylines and she's learning how to act
Speaker 1: from some of the best and abyss just hanging out
Speaker 1: with Hillary Burton on set and just like watching everything happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, and she's on this huge show and she
Speaker 1: gets to sing on the show and it's all the
Speaker 1: storyline created about her. That's she handled it amazing. She did,
Speaker 1: and she learned. She came in with so much humility
Speaker 1: and excitement and just wanted to learn. It was great.
Speaker 2: Yes, she never had any ego like I have to imagine, well,
Speaker 2: having worked at MTV and dealing with like young musicians
Speaker 2: like there are a le Hill who shall remain nameless,
Speaker 2: who you know, I don't like who had such an
Speaker 2: ego as armor, And Kate Vogel never had Batman.
Speaker 1: She was just always like, Hey, cool, do you guys
Speaker 1: like tea? You want to go make tea together at
Speaker 1: craft service? And also these are good chocolates and like,
Speaker 1: you know, like she was just so easy to be with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so fun to see something to hang out with
Speaker 1: somebody who has wonder, especially.
Speaker 2: For oh that's the perfect word for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because especially when you've been working in this business
Speaker 1: for so long, or any business where you it's become
Speaker 1: a business for you in a lot of ways, and
Speaker 1: you know kind of you know too much in the
Speaker 1: ins and outs to be around someone who really just
Speaker 1: has wonder about it, it's exciting. Its me. It reminds
Speaker 1: me why I fell in love with all of this
Speaker 1: in the first place. When you get to be around
Speaker 1: somebody who's experiencing it for the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was our Bambi, Like she had the little
Speaker 2: baby deer legs at the beginning when she first started
Speaker 2: and was a little nervous with those big eyes and
Speaker 2: just like, oh cool, neat so great.
Speaker 1: Well. I loved that storyline. I loved the setup, even
Speaker 1: though it really was a strange in this episode, Like
Speaker 1: it didn't it just didn't fit. It didn't fit at all.
Speaker 2: It's because we shot all our stuff in one day
Speaker 2: and we weren't interacting with anyone else, so we had
Speaker 2: no idea what the tone of the whole rest of
Speaker 2: the episode was. And also, like, in what world does
Speaker 2: Haley not get on the phone that night and call
Speaker 2: all the chicks that she was just locked in the.
Speaker 1: Library with one hundred percent?
Speaker 2: These writers had no idea what girlfriends are like, Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you just had the biggest blow
Speaker 2: up ever, Hailey is gonna get on speed Dowal and
Speaker 2: be like, get over here, bring the rose.
Speaker 1: The only thing I could think of, maybe why Haley
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that, is that she she does has spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time trying to trying to I don't
Speaker 1: know that building up an image is the right word.
Speaker 1: But she I think she really constantly feels like she's
Speaker 1: in a place of mothering everyone and sort of taking
Speaker 1: care of and giving advice and telling you know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's a character flaw. And so to be
Speaker 1: the person in the position where everything's falling apart, it's
Speaker 1: not working the way she thought it would it's all
Speaker 1: and to have to admit like, actually I don't have
Speaker 1: it all together that might have been really really hard
Speaker 1: for her. That might have felt like a lot of
Speaker 1: shame or something.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: It is embarrassing. But these are your best girlfriends or
Speaker 1: call Lucas like that. If that's not a breaking point,
Speaker 1: what is, right? Like, that's the breaking point where were
Speaker 1: like I can't, I can't handle it.
Speaker 2: We're called child is asleep in that house. The child
Speaker 2: heard you yell get the guy out that too.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, the kid doesn't get up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh Jamie totally saw her like naked run across the house. Totally,
Speaker 1: There's no way he didn't. Everyone in that house.
Speaker 2: Has seen Nanny Carey naked.
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about Nanny carey going to visit
Speaker 2: the school the next day, because.
Speaker 1: What school allows. First of all, where was he going
Speaker 1: with his backpack and his jacket that somebody just did?
Speaker 1: I just drop him off? And then he just walks
Speaker 1: into this huge campus with no not how it worked, teacher, no, no,
Speaker 1: yeah no. And then this strange woman just gets to
Speaker 1: approach a kid near near a parking lot. That was
Speaker 1: all real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have I mean I guess maybe
Speaker 2: if she was on the emergency contact form because she
Speaker 2: had been dropping him off for the last month.
Speaker 1: But how much time has gone by.
Speaker 2: It's still like, you know, school just started, Haley just
Speaker 2: had her first day the basketball team just I none
Speaker 2: of this makes sense. This is one of those episodes
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna get crazy about the details because even
Speaker 2: the big stuff doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: But that's the first thing I would do, probably is
Speaker 1: called the school the next morning and take her off
Speaker 1: the emergency contact list.
Speaker 2: I would call maybe a restraining order.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Would word every little legal angle I could to make
Speaker 2: sure that chick vanished.
Speaker 1: That is my worst It's not my worst nightmare, but
Speaker 1: it's a pie up on the list of having your
Speaker 1: kid emotionally taken advantage of at that young age.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine when you think about, like your kid's
Speaker 1: that young if somebody was somebody who was in your
Speaker 1: home was just like insidiously trying to pit.
Speaker 2: Them against you.
Speaker 1: Don't cut you. Oh yeah no.
Speaker 2: I don't like when like grown ups talk to kids
Speaker 2: like confidants. That's a weird flex. If you don't have
Speaker 2: friends to talk to, you've got the internet, just get
Speaker 2: on a chat room or some weird but like, don't
Speaker 2: dump your stuff on kids. And Carrie being like, your
Speaker 2: mommy doesn't like me, He's sending me away.
Speaker 1: I'm real picky about who my kids talk to. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. That's that's really scary. And she's, man, this
Speaker 1: is why you have to vet the people that you
Speaker 1: put around your kids.
Speaker 2: Girl. Can I just tell you that my husband made
Speaker 2: so much fun of me because anytime I would hire
Speaker 2: someone to do work at any house we've ever lived at,
Speaker 2: he would joke and he's like, Oh, you're gonna go
Speaker 2: full burten, aren't you. And I would vet the out
Speaker 2: of people on the internet, and I would know where
Speaker 2: they went to middle school, high school, who their friends are,
Speaker 2: how many times have been divorced, you know, like I
Speaker 2: know everything before i'd the men. And so when we
Speaker 2: first moved here to the farm, I needed to get
Speaker 2: the house painted because I was peeling and stuff, and
Speaker 2: he was teasing me about it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, Okay, fine, I won't vet the person
Speaker 2: this time and we'll see how it goes, right, And
Speaker 2: so I felt like I was finally like relinquishing some.
Speaker 1: Paranoia time out. Did you hire the person or did
Speaker 1: Jeff hire the person?
Speaker 2: Oh? I hired the person, And it was just.
Speaker 1: Based on you went on your gut or you just
Speaker 1: you made a random call. Did you meet the person?
Speaker 2: I interviewed three different people.
Speaker 1: Okay, and so you just like went on a gut instinct.
Speaker 2: And this one showed up dressed professionally, had like a portfolio,
Speaker 2: had a really like business quote. And what I have
Speaker 2: learned since my late twenties is that your trade guys
Speaker 2: shouldn't be like they should be a nightmare. The inside
Speaker 2: of their truck should be a mess, like they should
Speaker 2: just be like a total disaster, because they'll do the
Speaker 2: best work. This guy, this guy was like so official,
Speaker 2: and so then like weird things started happening, and like
Speaker 2: the job was taking three times as long as it
Speaker 2: should have and like, yeah, people weren't showing up. Turned
Speaker 2: out he was just painting the entire property by himself
Speaker 2: and like nothing was adding up. And then I was
Speaker 2: in like the old ramshackle farmhouse that was originally on
Speaker 2: the property here and I hear a buzzing in a
Speaker 2: drawer down there, and I find a random cell phone
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is this? No one's supposed to
Speaker 2: be inside this house, Like why is there a phone
Speaker 2: in here? And I am holding on to it and
Speaker 2: then like I I don't know who it belongs to,
Speaker 2: but I'm super creeped out and it's it's his phone,
Speaker 2: and I'm like it's one thing if it's in the house,
Speaker 2: but like why is it in this drawer?
Speaker 1: And like what's going on? It was so weird, kind
Speaker 1: of like an abandoned house because it's yeah, worked one, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had been going down there by myself, just
Speaker 2: like doing renovations and time and stuff. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: went and I looked him up and he had been
Speaker 2: arrested for embezzling at like a different company, and I
Speaker 2: think he did some prison time like it was like,
Speaker 2: but it was the one time, the one time I
Speaker 2: didn't do my homework. So women out there, especially women
Speaker 2: out there, do not feel guilty about about checking everyone out.
Speaker 2: Just go ahead and sign up for one of those
Speaker 2: websites that allows you to do background checks on people.
Speaker 1: It is worth yes, and ask ask invasive questions that
Speaker 1: are I mean professionally appropriate, but like, go ahead, yeah,
Speaker 1: have you ever been arrested?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that should be the first question you ask everyone,
Speaker 2: whether you're dating or you're working to get you'm arrested.
Speaker 1: Hillary, I came home once and found out I hired
Speaker 1: a housekeeper on care dot com, and I did you know.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: I did a little research. But I also was like
Speaker 1: kind of overwhelmed. I was like I was Haley when
Speaker 1: she was overwhelmed. And there were a few little there
Speaker 1: were a few little things leading up like she like,
Speaker 1: I was just kind of scared to talk about this,
Speaker 1: yeah right now, but like she she was she started
Speaker 1: following me on Instagram and then like like texting me
Speaker 1: comments about my Instagram posts. And I was a little like, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean if it was a little boundary, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, But she was the thing was she
Speaker 1: was about sixty, so it wasn't like a young girl
Speaker 1: who wasn't I thought, Oh, I don't know, maybe she's
Speaker 1: bored whatever. And then there were a couple other little
Speaker 1: things that were red flags and I wasn't sure. And
Speaker 1: then I came home one day and she's cleaning the
Speaker 1: house wearing my shoes. What what?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 1: Did she take her shoes off and put your shoes on?
Speaker 1: She did? Indeed, Like what kind of shoes? Are we talking?
Speaker 2: Like crocs or heels or like what I want every detail?
Speaker 1: No, she was hot and so took her sneakers off
Speaker 1: and put on my sandals and she'd gone in my
Speaker 1: closet and just like took out my flip flops and
Speaker 1: was wearing them. And it was like, Oh, you don't mind.
Speaker 1: I was just hot, and so you I do I do?
Speaker 1: I do mind? I do mind you putting my shoes on.
Speaker 2: Because oh boy, I look at everything like an iceberg,
Speaker 2: Like that's just.
Speaker 1: What you could see. This is what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know what was under the surface, like what
Speaker 1: she was doing when you were gone, right, That's what
Speaker 1: freaks me out. But anyway, there's there's just you just
Speaker 1: never know, and you gotta you gotta vet people, and
Speaker 1: clearly Nanny Carey was not vetted. You know what.
Speaker 2: That's why Hayley didn't call her girlfriends because we all said, yes,
Speaker 2: Hick is no bueno. You would have called Lindsay, though
Speaker 2: Lindsay would Lindsay had her like sat across from her
Speaker 2: at dinner.
Speaker 1: I would have called Lindsay or Lucas. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: But it's also I don't know, Oh, I guess if
Speaker 1: you're again, like if she's trying to hold everything together
Speaker 1: and she's trying to be do everything right, to admit
Speaker 1: that she's not probably would be hard. But anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see where this goes because I remember how
Speaker 1: crazy this storyline gets, and it's we're in the we're
Speaker 1: on the route to some real intense drama. But nothing
Speaker 1: in this episode was besides Jamie drowning was as intense
Speaker 1: as finding rachel In Brooks a hotel room in New
Speaker 1: York on Heroin and right, it was such a weird
Speaker 1: I mean, like even before that, it just took such
Speaker 1: a weird turn because we were going from sort of
Speaker 1: this like frustration but also a little bit of any
Speaker 1: comedy with you and Kate into Brooke and Owen. It's
Speaker 1: like cute, flirty, kind of fun. Then they go into
Speaker 1: her apartment in New York and it's all like cute
Speaker 1: and fun. But as soon as they opened the door,
Speaker 1: then this like horror movie music starts all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and it's and what's hilarious is that
Speaker 1: the horror movies music starts when the camera pans to
Speaker 1: all the dirty dishes, right, who was here? It was
Speaker 1: like Goldilocks man, Yeah, like dirty dishes.
Speaker 5: Oh god, I thought it was gonna be Victoria in
Speaker 5: her apartment.
Speaker 1: I told her. I thought.
Speaker 2: I thought she was going to open the door and
Speaker 2: like Victoria would be having sex with someone or like
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: You push me aside and now I'm a mess. Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. But then we ended up seeing I mean,
Speaker 1: I was really, actually, really happy to see Daniel, even
Speaker 1: though I didn't like seeing her like that, but it
Speaker 1: was nice to see her back on the show for
Speaker 1: a minute. I couldn't wait for the rest of the
Speaker 1: episode just to watch your work, which was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like Daniel was unafraid to just be messy and
Speaker 2: I think that there had been this expectation of who
Speaker 2: Rachel was, like Rachel's always going to be the put together,
Speaker 2: pressy betch you know. And Daniel, they threw her this curveball,
Speaker 2: and it, you know, does feel punishing in a way
Speaker 2: of like you're the mess. And she did such a
Speaker 2: great job. She just leaned into like the performance. She
Speaker 2: was like, you can't have that power for me. Sure
Speaker 2: you want to give me a storyline, I'm gonna show up.
Speaker 2: Even if it felt like there was some an I
Speaker 2: hate when my vocabulary words disappear, even if there was
Speaker 2: some motive that wasn't pure in that, she just took
Speaker 2: the power right back and was like, I got this.
Speaker 1: Let me take care of this storyline.
Speaker 2: Because her beauty had been powerful, right and had been
Speaker 2: powerful in front of the camera and behind the camera,
Speaker 2: and she had removed herself from the situation ye taking
Speaker 2: her power with her and so when she's brought back
Speaker 2: and she's stripped of that thing, she just shows up with.
Speaker 1: A whole other set of tools. She's like, watch this, bitches,
Speaker 1: I love her. It was so good. She looked and
Speaker 1: she really felt like a little girl. I felt like
Speaker 1: I was watching she looked just like her daughter. She
Speaker 1: looked just like jjes. Yes, yeah, no makeup, totally unashamed,
Speaker 1: totally leaning into the the raw vulnerability of it, not performing,
Speaker 1: not trying to perform as a person who was struggling.
Speaker 1: She just just sat in it. Man, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: such a good performance. Well.
Speaker 2: Also, the thing that struck me is that I have
Speaker 2: had to deal with addiction issues with people that I
Speaker 2: love in the past, right, and like getting them to
Speaker 2: rehab is super important. And when Owen like sets up
Speaker 2: the rehab situation, the first thing I'm thinking is like,
Speaker 2: how are they going to get to bed? You know,
Speaker 2: like there's no room and facilities. How's Brooke just going
Speaker 2: to take her somewhere on day one? And as I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm like, well, they have to get
Speaker 2: they have to take her, they have to take her.
Speaker 2: Danille's performance convinced me don't leave me alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like I can see how Brooke knows what the
Speaker 2: right thing to do. It's the right thing is to
Speaker 2: take her to rehab. Like heroin is not a thing
Speaker 2: that you get over at home, that's right, not a
Speaker 2: home project. But because Rachel is so vulnerable and so raw.
Speaker 2: Like you said, when she says, don't leave me alone,
Speaker 2: that's the scarier thing that. I mean, that's scarier than
Speaker 2: the drug is being left alone.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, does she I hope she does end up.
Speaker 1: I think she does take her to rehab, but maybe
Speaker 1: it's Intrey Hill or some maybe she takes her some
Speaker 1: plays more local where she can be near her. I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I just and also Heroin, like needles.
Speaker 2: Come on now, So intense pills were a thing back
Speaker 2: everybody's addicted to pills, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: that could have been a cleaner thing.
Speaker 1: They went down the darkest road they possibly could. And
Speaker 1: then also like Owen's showing up and that it was
Speaker 1: like are we in a cop drama right now? Are we?
Speaker 1: I don't don't understand what show I'm watching. He did great.
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe really showed up and leaned into the
Speaker 1: hero of it all. I'm going to save the day
Speaker 1: and you know, pretending to be a junkie and all
Speaker 1: of it. Like I get conceptually why it was made sense.
Speaker 1: In maybe the writer's room they are like, oh, let's
Speaker 1: do this, but let's go I just didn't love the execution.
Speaker 2: Well, no, we had already tackled serious stuff with like
Speaker 2: the school shooting episode, and yeah, it's a lot we've
Speaker 2: done serious subject about her on the show, and this
Speaker 2: felt like one of those serious things where they really
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily consult like a expert or like a real
Speaker 2: drug advocacy personally.
Speaker 1: This is like the nine O two one oh version of.
Speaker 2: It, just like what he's going to slap her three times?
Speaker 1: The slap God, those were really intense.
Speaker 2: Somebody's in like the folly, you're like mixing stage and
Speaker 2: they're just like add like smacking a ham sound on there,
Speaker 2: so it sounds really intense, Like I don't think he
Speaker 2: certainly didn't hit her to make that big of a
Speaker 2: noise in real life, but they of course not.
Speaker 1: They added that sound. I was like, yeah, what was
Speaker 1: but he was fully in it. And then the shower
Speaker 1: and like.
Speaker 2: Come on Rightchael, come on whoa yeah, just carry some
Speaker 2: narcan man.
Speaker 1: Beating the guy up. I think this was when Joe
Speaker 1: maybe was auditioning for True Blood. I wonder if the
Speaker 1: episodes coencide. She was like, Okay, I have this other
Speaker 1: job that really needs to see me as like a
Speaker 1: super tough guy. He might turn into a werewolf in
Speaker 1: that shower with me. At any moment, Owen was going
Speaker 1: to turn into a warm one.
Speaker 2: Hun and him beating up the dealer too was so
Speaker 2: fun just I mean, it was like, why didn't he
Speaker 2: just go into the hallway. Why did he bring him
Speaker 2: inside the apartment to do it. They've got one of
Speaker 2: those freight elevators. He could have beat him in the
Speaker 2: freight elevator, totally, yes, But he brought him inside to
Speaker 2: where the two girls were.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe if there are cameras, he didn't want
Speaker 1: to end up getting arrested. Maybe. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I have to say I will say. I will say.
Speaker 1: I will say that when when I watched Brooke in
Speaker 1: this episode and think about the trajectory of of her,
Speaker 1: know she she does have her confidence in business, so
Speaker 1: that's where she her sweet spot is. But we've seen
Speaker 1: her vulnerability with her mom and still kind of trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out with men and and but she's
Speaker 1: been living in her comfort zone of work and to
Speaker 1: have a guy come around that she can't manipulate and
Speaker 1: she can't not I don't know that I'm saying Brook
Speaker 1: is manipulative. But we all have our like little tricks
Speaker 1: in our twenties. We have the bag of tricks, yes, totally,
Speaker 1: and so her bag of tricks don't work on Owen.
Speaker 1: And I feel like being put in a position where
Speaker 1: she's totally helpless and realizing that she needs to grow more,
Speaker 1: like when you have that moment in life where you go, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a I'm being presented with an opportunity to grow
Speaker 1: into more maturity in a new way. And I feel
Speaker 1: like he gets to be he and Rachel get to
Speaker 1: be a vehicle for her in that as she's just
Speaker 1: observing all of this happening, feeling helpless, not knowing what
Speaker 1: to do. And I feel like it really ties in
Speaker 1: with what's going on with her mom, and that when
Speaker 1: she starts to step into her own skin and step
Speaker 1: into that maturity, it's really going to affect her ability
Speaker 1: to also stand up to her mother and take kind
Speaker 1: of just take the reins and just accept, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's one of the hardest things for any girl to
Speaker 1: accept if you grow up having a mom, that it
Speaker 1: feels like you have to raise your mom instead of
Speaker 1: the other way around. And I think what I've observed
Speaker 1: about that is that at some point the world just
Speaker 1: has to switch and you just kind of have to
Speaker 1: accept it and forgive and go Okay, I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't get what I thought I should have in that space.
Speaker 1: But it's okay, and we're going to just switch this
Speaker 1: into something new. And I'm really looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: her do that with Victoria. So yeah, it's a very
Speaker 1: long winded way of saying I'm excited for Brook's future.
Speaker 2: I know what it's like to have your parents be
Speaker 2: like people are using you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Your parents have control over you for a big chunk
Speaker 2: of your life, and when they tell you that something
Speaker 2: is a danger or that something is the wrong path,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 1: And then you hit that point in adulthood where you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not do you know what's best?
Speaker 2: Terrible to open myself up to people maybe that maybe
Speaker 2: like vulnerabilities cool And to see Brook go through that.
Speaker 2: And these two people who Victoria could absolutely you know,
Speaker 2: characterize as leeches on her life. This friend who's a
Speaker 2: junkie who was a terrible model that we had to fire,
Speaker 2: and then Owen, what's he ever? Gonna be He's an
Speaker 2: ex addict bartender. These are people that can't offer Brooke
Speaker 2: Davis anything. They can't offer her anything material, but they
Speaker 2: can offer her everything emotional. And being able to identify
Speaker 2: that as a young adult is really important because some
Speaker 2: of the most important friendships you have are going to
Speaker 2: be with people who aren't aroung on the ladder.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, I love that for her, and I'm glad
Speaker 2: that Rachel's coming back to Tree Hill.
Speaker 1: Because we're gonna have fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had fun in that little like apartment set
Speaker 2: because it was just a bunch of brassy chicks being no.
Speaker 1: I missed that. I missed that energy. We've gotten so
Speaker 1: far away from that with all the other new people
Speaker 1: that they brought in, and you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, people have been watching us for four years,
Speaker 1: four and a half years. They wanted to start diversifying
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I do miss I missed the
Speaker 1: three girl energy that we watched a lot in the
Speaker 1: first few seasons. That was so fun, and I hope
Speaker 1: we're getting more of that coming up soon.
Speaker 2: We've got to get rid of all these husbands and boyfriends.
Speaker 1: I know, send them packing for a little while.
Speaker 2: Well, Quinn's going through the same thing that Rachel's going through,
Speaker 2: just like a total identity loss crisis.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I mean my son there's like a school jock thing
Speaker 2: at Gusa's school and he doesn't participate in it. I mean,
Speaker 2: he does rec league basketball because it's goofy and like
Speaker 2: there's no there's like nothing at stake. It's just fun
Speaker 2: and like you're far and around with your friends. But
Speaker 2: the seriousness of some of the sports stuff. We talk
Speaker 2: about it and I'm just like, but if that's something
Speaker 2: that you want to do, cool. But I do know
Speaker 2: from doing my show at least that like a lot
Speaker 2: of addiction stems from high school sports because you push
Speaker 2: your body when it's in its growth phase, interesting, and
Speaker 2: you get addicted to painkillers because you've got to have
Speaker 2: your ACL replaced, you've got to go the physical there.
Speaker 2: But you've got to do like all this stuff to
Speaker 2: repair yourself. And I don't understand why we're pushing a little.
Speaker 1: Kids so hard. Yeah, we don't do that in theater, right,
Speaker 1: Like no kid who.
Speaker 2: Well I'm talking like I'm telling you, like public school,
Speaker 2: high school theater. Those kids aren't going to rehab and
Speaker 2: getting put on oxy and to get through they're not.
Speaker 2: It's a different kind of team sport. I do worry
Speaker 2: for someone like Quentin.
Speaker 1: The pressure to be excellent. You gotta be the best,
Speaker 1: and when everybody around you, you know, big fish, small pond,
Speaker 1: everybody around you is telling you you're You're the best,
Speaker 1: You're the best. You gotta this is your life, this
Speaker 1: is who you are. I mean, he's built his clearly
Speaker 1: built his entire identity around basketball and his abilities to
Speaker 1: be superior.
Speaker 2: Did you notice that Nathan spent more time talking to
Speaker 2: Quinton than he did his own life.
Speaker 1: I didn't notice that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes and he has a whole ass like
Speaker 2: emotional conversation with Quentin and like feelings and all this.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile his wife is sitting at home just like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kill him. Yeah, that's interesting. Just deciding to not
Speaker 1: spend one hundred percent of his energy.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a pitch stop at the high school
Speaker 2: gym as a grown as man.
Speaker 1: Just talk to this kid, I mentor for a second,
Speaker 1: because I'm in such a great position to do that.
Speaker 1: That is really strange.
Speaker 2: Nathan fails that. Nathan gets an f this episode. I'm
Speaker 2: mad at it.
Speaker 1: I did feel a little bit like James was just
Speaker 1: kind of bored with this episode. I don't not as
Speaker 1: not I would never know that as a viewer watching
Speaker 1: an actor, but just knowing James, Yeah, there was some
Speaker 1: moments I was just like, you're bored, aren't you? Buddy.
Speaker 2: My favorite moment, my favorite moment of Nathan is when
Speaker 2: he and Lucas are driving back from the parole board
Speaker 2: meeting and Luke's just like, how could you do that?
Speaker 2: And Nathan's like he's such a little kid in that
Speaker 2: moment because he's like we talking.
Speaker 1: About yuh we do we want to? Like he was
Speaker 1: just so like, I don't, I wantn't really think about it.
Speaker 1: Why is everybody mad at me today? Yes? Oh can't
Speaker 1: do anything right? Everybody's mad at me? Oh he what's
Speaker 1: with today today? Yeah?
Speaker 2: He just everyone's pissed at him, and Lucas has like
Speaker 2: a great reason for being pissed at him too, Like
Speaker 2: had Lucas and Haley joined forces.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that would have been so good. I would
Speaker 1: have paid money to have that line be in the
Speaker 1: in the script, Nathan walk out of the room just
Speaker 1: like throwing something down and be like, man, what is
Speaker 1: with today?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just could not win. But the parole thing
Speaker 2: was weird because you know, like we've covered cases where
Speaker 2: people who are clearly innocent go up for parole and
Speaker 2: and parole boards are like notoriously not into it, especially
Speaker 2: on like violent offenses. If you're in there for like weed,
Speaker 2: if you're in there for whatever, they're like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: we're overpopulated to get out.
Speaker 1: But if you shot your.
Speaker 2: Brother and you cop to it and now you're in
Speaker 2: this parole board hearing and you're like, it's because he
Speaker 2: stole my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: It's a little reverse psychology though that he's trying to do.
Speaker 1: Which is I belong in here. Do not let me
Speaker 1: out if for some reason, you guys need the space
Speaker 1: and happen to decide I'm the one that needs to leave, Liz,
Speaker 1: I just promise open up a bed. Yeah, like, I'll
Speaker 1: do the best that I possibly can, but truly, like
Speaker 1: you should keep me. I deserve to be in here,
Speaker 1: Bael Gross No, the thing that they look for is remorse.
Speaker 2: Right, Like, yeah, like I can't live with myself because
Speaker 2: I did this, and I have been volunteering. I'm a
Speaker 2: teacher for other inmates now I'm a part of this
Speaker 2: church in the prison, you know, like they're looking to
Speaker 2: see what your civic responsibilities have been in the ecosystem
Speaker 2: of the prison and things like that. And there's just
Speaker 2: no fucking way that those boys would be in a
Speaker 2: room with him him, not shackled to the chair, you know,
Speaker 2: like there's again they didn't consult a drug expert. We
Speaker 2: clearly didn't have a prison expert on our show, but
Speaker 2: that would have been fun, Like can you imagine if
Speaker 2: they were, like, we've got to fly in the prison expert.
Speaker 2: We've got got some knowledge getting dropped on these kids
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: I thought Lucas's speech was effective. I did too. I
Speaker 1: did too. It was nice to see him out of
Speaker 1: out of romantic drama zone. Also just to give him
Speaker 1: this opportunity to stretch a different muscle.
Speaker 2: Well, and where's lindsay. If she loves him so much,
Speaker 2: why isn't she comforting him?
Speaker 1: They didn't want to pay for another actor in the episode.
Speaker 2: It's either Paul or Mikaela.
Speaker 1: Paul.
Speaker 2: They only had they only had money for one and
Speaker 2: they have Hadnill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, right.
Speaker 2: And Owen, all right, look, we spent.
Speaker 1: Our Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Bye, Well, what did we miss anything?
Speaker 1: I think we got it all. I can't think of anything.
Speaker 1: You know who I miss though? Barbara? I need some
Speaker 1: Barbara in my life. And really bass, Deb I need
Speaker 1: some Antoine. Why wasn't Deb in the parole hearing room?
Speaker 1: Where was she? Yeah? He's threatened her so many times
Speaker 1: on Why wasn't she there? Karen should have had a
Speaker 1: letter that was read, Yes, I know, Oh, drop the ball,
Speaker 1: drop the ball. Friends, thank you for listening to all that.
Speaker 1: We have some listener questions if you want to move
Speaker 1: on all right.
Speaker 2: Carrie wants to know if your characters and their moms
Speaker 2: got a mother daughter.
Speaker 1: Tattoo, what do you think they would get?
Speaker 2: Oh? Your mom was real bohemian on this show.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh gosh. I actually just got a text
Speaker 1: from Bess Armstrong a few days ago. I love her.
Speaker 1: I think she's uh, we might both be at this
Speaker 1: twenty twentieth anniversary thing in Wilmington. She's as great if
Speaker 1: anybody's going, what would what would she get? Oh? That's
Speaker 1: so good. I feel like, well, Haley's already got her
Speaker 1: twenty three?
Speaker 2: Would it be weird if her mom also got the
Speaker 2: twenty three as the tramp stamp that's so cute on
Speaker 2: you get a toy.
Speaker 1: I feel like they'd get a little like a little tree,
Speaker 1: like a matching. Maybe there's a tree over a over
Speaker 1: a I mean, well, I don't want to steal Peyton's
Speaker 1: thunder the one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know I was going to say over a gravestone. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to steal like I could see Peyton getting
Speaker 1: a getting a tattoo of some sort of more that
Speaker 1: was in the grip. Yeah, it is a little macab
Speaker 1: I don't know if you Yeah, maybe some sort of
Speaker 1: adventurous like or something from their travels, like a place
Speaker 1: at Haley, you know, to remind Haley that there is
Speaker 1: more of the world out there besides Tree Hill and
Speaker 1: to get out because her mom was always trying to
Speaker 1: was always traveling. You know, they left all the kids
Speaker 1: once they were old enough. I've got a trailer, sold
Speaker 1: the house and took off. That her mom had such
Speaker 1: a sense of adventure. Yeah, that I think Lydia would
Speaker 1: probably want to encourage Haley to get something that has
Speaker 1: to do with maybe maybe like a little like a
Speaker 1: Avian postage stamp or something something cute. That's like travel,
Speaker 1: Get out there, babe, don't just get don't just stay here,
Speaker 1: don't forget Like there's big, wide world out there.
Speaker 2: Trail's fine, but have you ever been to Santa Fe?
Speaker 1: You know, you know, go little cactus there. What about Peyton?
Speaker 2: It's definitely a song lyric like, yeah, you know, she
Speaker 2: only had her first mom around for eight years and
Speaker 2: then I think probably filled in a lot of blanks there.
Speaker 1: But her and Ellie for sure are.
Speaker 2: Going to some seedy tattoo parlor being like Ramon's lyrics
Speaker 2: or like yeah, probably like not a surf or something,
Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, something something obscure for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a no brainer. And I like that where would
Speaker 2: Peyton get it?
Speaker 1: Because the thing is, I don't think Peyton wants people
Speaker 1: walking up to her and being like, what's your dad
Speaker 1: do about? She would be like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it.
Speaker 2: Peyton's gonna put it in the most painful place possible.
Speaker 2: I mean, all my tattoos are on my ribs and
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, it's not a fun place to put them,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, but I want to be able to hide.
Speaker 1: Them for work.
Speaker 2: I don't need people to know my business. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: gonna put it somewhere super painful, like along her.
Speaker 1: Spot on top of her foot. Oh yeah, you got that,
Speaker 1: and that is that hurts. I would not do that again.
Speaker 2: No. I put one on my hip and it was
Speaker 2: all fine and like the fleshy parts, and then they
Speaker 2: got right to the hip phone and it was like.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, why are you doing this to me? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give you your money. You can the way it
Speaker 1: is in with a marker every day. It's fine. I'll
Speaker 1: just okay, what's our honorable mention? Oh hmmm, trying I
Speaker 1: mean of something.
Speaker 2: Jamie's dead Man's float was very pretty good man, pretty convincing,
Speaker 2: and it made my butt pucker, like as a parent,
Speaker 2: you see that and it is you can feel that
Speaker 2: visceral like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awful. He did a good job. He really did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like there was no other guests. There's no
Speaker 1: other even like, uh, you know in Mouth kind of
Speaker 1: has a side thing or I mean, there's just nothing
Speaker 1: else happening in the episode.
Speaker 2: So, I mean Denille's performance, Danille just being like.
Speaker 1: That was outstanding, truly. Yeah, yeah, I mean yes, for me,
Speaker 1: that was the most interesting thing in the episode. I loved.
Speaker 1: I loved what she did, and I could have watched
Speaker 1: I could have watched a whole hour of her walking
Speaker 1: through that character arc. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just like sitting on the couch and like
Speaker 2: actually talking to Brooke about how she got there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get that in up coming episodes spin offs.
Speaker 1: Next uh next episode, Season five, episode eleven, You're gonna
Speaker 1: need someone on your side?
Speaker 2: All right, let's spin that wheel before we see you
Speaker 2: guys next week.
Speaker 1: Are most likely too?
Speaker 2: Is most likely to start up a conversation with the
Speaker 2: person next to them on a plane. Oh you know
Speaker 2: this is not me?
Speaker 1: Not it me either, be either I'll lean into one, like, man,
Speaker 1: if somebody wants to talk to me, I sort of
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm a very I try and be
Speaker 1: a little kind of hippy dippy sensitive, like maybe I'm
Speaker 1: meant to have a conversation with someone. Okay, I'll like,
Speaker 1: but I don't ever start one.
Speaker 2: No, it is not me who's starting a conversation. I
Speaker 2: don't even know that bevit No, I don't think it's Bevin.
Speaker 2: Bevin will be polite, but she's a Southern woman. She's
Speaker 2: just like I'll smile. I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's done by that. I think it's Paul. I
Speaker 1: think it depends in one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Paul all day, because Paul's like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to find what your weakness is and I'm going to
Speaker 2: work on it with you for the next three to
Speaker 2: six hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it depends on his mood. He's a moody dude,
Speaker 1: and so it could be that he gets on the
Speaker 1: plane and he's like headphones. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: stuck in a conversation. I don't want to be in uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess he could. He could definitely go
Speaker 1: either way.
Speaker 2: What character, though, I don't know. He's the one to
Speaker 2: have the most like sincere conversation on a plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like Dan would also actually would be
Speaker 1: quite likely to strike up a conversation with someone on
Speaker 1: a plane because he's always looking for an angle or
Speaker 1: you know, do I need to know you? Or do
Speaker 1: I need to know you? Yeah, you know, even just
Speaker 1: to poke at people and like feel like the typical bully,
Speaker 1: like I need to feel better about myself, I'm going
Speaker 1: to poke at you.
Speaker 2: I think she's hungry for experience. It's like, what's this
Speaker 2: experience going to be?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like what can you add?
Speaker 1: What can I suck out of this? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Vampire, an emotional vampire.
Speaker 1: That guy all.
Speaker 2: Right, next week, I hope things turn around for Rachel.
Speaker 2: We'll find out so too.
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