Speaker 1: It's Thursday, March fourth. This is Jaguars Happy Hours. Jack
Speaker 1: Wars Happy Hour is presented by Duval Motor Company. And
Speaker 1: now a guy who's college nickname was the Poutine Dream,
Speaker 1: Jay P. Shall welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, j P. Shadrick,
Speaker 1: Jeff Logman, and we have a busy program today, the
Speaker 1: calm before the storm. The free agency storm is a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks away. It's eerily quiet right now. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens in the coming week with the franchise
Speaker 1: hag window closing next week, and then, of course all
Speaker 1: heck could break loose once the teams start trimming players
Speaker 1: free agency. Right around the corner. Were eight weeks away
Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft starting in Cleveland, Ohio, So two
Speaker 1: months ahead of draft talk, and we'll go around the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Jeff Lackerman with us from his home
Speaker 1: studio today as he is every week, and here we
Speaker 1: are logs. You know, this is an early quiet time
Speaker 1: around the Jags. There's not a lot of news coming
Speaker 1: out of this place right now, but in two weeks
Speaker 1: time that should change. It may be quiet for us
Speaker 1: and for most fans, but make no mistake about an
Speaker 1: inside the building, it is incredibly noisy. They have a
Speaker 1: lot going on. They're trying to figure out exactly which
Speaker 1: direction that they're gonna go in free agency. They're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who's going to be available in free agency.
Speaker 1: They're trying to stack their draft boards position by position
Speaker 1: and overall and uh and they're trying to do it
Speaker 1: with a with a new staff. I mean so um.
Speaker 1: I think when you have an organization that has kind
Speaker 1: of been operating for a couple of years, as are
Speaker 1: a number of years, and has been efficient, it's probably
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of a comfort zone. But
Speaker 1: when you have a new coach, a new design of
Speaker 1: the organization, a new general manager, and some new components
Speaker 1: to the personnel staff besides the general manager, there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on. It's just that we're not hearing about it.
Speaker 1: But trust me that Jaguars have a lot going on
Speaker 1: and they're working their rear ends off right now. And
Speaker 1: I think, well, we'll see the fruits of that labor soon.
Speaker 1: You would think that early in free agency, the first
Speaker 1: day or two, since the Jaguars have the most money
Speaker 1: to spend in the NFL, that they'll be players because
Speaker 1: they have plenty of needs that could be helped by
Speaker 1: a veteran free agent player to come in right away
Speaker 1: and play well. And and you know, JP, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you know, you kind of wonder sometimes when
Speaker 1: when Shan Khan made the decision to clean house and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden with the conversation that he
Speaker 1: had with the media about the change and how he
Speaker 1: felt it was needed, and he talked about how much
Speaker 1: he was involved in the decision making throughout all of
Speaker 1: last year leading up to the point where we're at
Speaker 1: right now. You sit there and you go, you know,
Speaker 1: he might be smarter than I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people give him credit for. And that you know, you
Speaker 1: have a situation here to where you have an amazingly
Speaker 1: attractive situation. You have an organization that is flushed with
Speaker 1: cap space, that has acquired great draft picks and uh
Speaker 1: and also the timing of that with no pushing. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he predicted COVID, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that with COVID in the situation that is upon
Speaker 1: us right now, boy, I mean, there's probably not more
Speaker 1: a more attractive new situation in the National Football League
Speaker 1: than what the Jaguars have, so, you know, to to
Speaker 1: be able to attract what he viewed as the best
Speaker 1: of the best in urban Meyer. Obviously it worked tremendously,
Speaker 1: but you know, you just wonder, you know, what was
Speaker 1: some of the decisions and you go back and really
Speaker 1: were some of the decisions that we've seen kind of
Speaker 1: put in play here in the last couple of months,
Speaker 1: where some of these decisions may be made maybe longer
Speaker 1: than that ago, and that now we're just starting to
Speaker 1: we're only getting a glimpse of really what is happening
Speaker 1: of the inner workings of this organization. But look, the
Speaker 1: Jaguars are in in the catbird seat, so to speak.
Speaker 1: This might be the one year in the NFL's history
Speaker 1: that you can improve your team more so maybe than
Speaker 1: in the other year because of what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with the cap situation. You're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are gonna be out of work, and the
Speaker 1: asking price of a lot of these people that are
Speaker 1: gonna be out of work, I think it's gonna drop significantly.
Speaker 1: And so if you're a team that has cap space
Speaker 1: that has needs, which the Jaguars certainly fall into both
Speaker 1: of those categories. You are in a great position to
Speaker 1: acquire talent and in a great position to improve your
Speaker 1: football team. And I'm gonna tell you this, JP, Yes,
Speaker 1: they would be crazy not to try to improve their
Speaker 1: football team, because the last thing in the world that
Speaker 1: you want to do is to try to do something
Speaker 1: like what they did or what they've called well and
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley back in and that was to build through
Speaker 1: the draft and build through you From looking I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that can't work, but you've got to be able
Speaker 1: to support a young quarterback who's going to be coming
Speaker 1: into this organization. You've got to support them, and you
Speaker 1: support them by putting good players around them. I'm curious,
Speaker 1: two legs, once these deals start becoming public, once the
Speaker 1: newly year hits and free agency opens for business and
Speaker 1: deals are made and contracts are signed, what kind of
Speaker 1: deals might we see? Will the will the players want
Speaker 1: maybe a shorter deal, and then once this cap expands
Speaker 1: again a year or two out, maybe they get a
Speaker 1: little more of the piece of the pile. I wonder
Speaker 1: how much that would happen this year. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna depend on the player. You know, if you're talking
Speaker 1: about a veteran player. Look, you know, you look, you're
Speaker 1: trying to You're trying to maximize that. You know, if
Speaker 1: you've got one contract left, You're like, look, I've got
Speaker 1: to get all I can get right now. I've got
Speaker 1: to get as much upfront money as possible because this
Speaker 1: is my last go round. I'm not gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and enter the dance again in free agency. Whereas if
Speaker 1: it's a if it's a young player and there are
Speaker 1: some free agents, and the Seattle Seahawks have one at Griffin,
Speaker 1: the quarterback who was essentially I think five years old,
Speaker 1: and he's entering free agency, well for him, look, he
Speaker 1: he might have two contracts, maybe three contracts, depending on
Speaker 1: the length of the deals that he signs in his future.
Speaker 1: So for I think a younger player, it would probably
Speaker 1: be more beneficial to do a shorter term deal because
Speaker 1: if you look at what some of the moneys are
Speaker 1: being reported about, what is the expected TV revenue contracts
Speaker 1: coming in out around two billion a year. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would be absolutely crazy if if you're gonna do
Speaker 1: anything longer than a year or two because you want
Speaker 1: to get back in free agency again when the TV
Speaker 1: money is bumped. Number one and number two when the
Speaker 1: gates are back open again and teams are making money
Speaker 1: and concessions and ticketing and parking and everything else. You know. So,
Speaker 1: I think it all just depends on the player in
Speaker 1: the situation that that player is dealing with JP. But man,
Speaker 1: if if I'm a young guy just entering free h
Speaker 1: C and I've got you know, I'm not thinking that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be done until another seven or eight years. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna sign a short term deal and
Speaker 1: then try to cash in with a big deal like
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past once to COVID situation. Subside
Speaker 1: TV money has jumped and things get back to being
Speaker 1: a little bit more normal to be able to cash
Speaker 1: in again on another contract very soon. It's Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 1: That's Jeff log Whan. I'm J P. Shadrick. We're on
Speaker 1: Tin Tin Am Radio in Jacksonville and on the Jaguar
Speaker 1: social media pages each Thursday afternoon. We were talking about
Speaker 1: this on another podcast earlier this week. Logs, you know,
Speaker 1: the the idea of how many new players will be
Speaker 1: on this final fifty three roster after training camp. It's
Speaker 1: a one in fifteen team. It's a new coach, it's
Speaker 1: a new GM. They want to make it in their
Speaker 1: own likeness. So my idea was like, thirty of the
Speaker 1: fifty three might be new faces to the organization next year.
Speaker 1: Does that sound about right to you? Well, it could be.
Speaker 1: And well the reason I said that because there's eleven
Speaker 1: draft picks free agents coming, you know, undrafted guys that
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep around. It's you're you're pushing a lot
Speaker 1: of new guys right there. The one thing that JP. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean it very well could be. I mean, you
Speaker 1: could have thirty new faces easily with with fifty three
Speaker 1: man roster. And then reality, you're not really just talking
Speaker 1: about a fifty three man roster. You've got to expanded
Speaker 1: practice squads and in a much more liberal situation because
Speaker 1: I think the code rules are not going away in
Speaker 1: one They're still gonna be around, so your roster is
Speaker 1: really much bigger than But well, with that being said,
Speaker 1: I think that you could see a significant change. I
Speaker 1: mean you can see thirty new faces very easily, but
Speaker 1: that's not just out of fifty three. That's out of
Speaker 1: a much bigger number with practice squad and everything else.
Speaker 1: And I think though that the organization has to be
Speaker 1: really careful. And when I say careful, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to say that that they're going to do something and
Speaker 1: and and mess it up. But what I mean by
Speaker 1: as far as the age structure, you know, your football
Speaker 1: team that you have right now, the way it is
Speaker 1: right now, is incredibly young. You've got eleven draft picks
Speaker 1: that are sitting right there for you to you and
Speaker 1: I think at some stage of the game you need
Speaker 1: to start thinking how young do we really want our
Speaker 1: football team to be? And because you know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a great opportunity city to be able to acquire
Speaker 1: talent and free agency because of the number of people
Speaker 1: that are going to be looking for work because of
Speaker 1: cat situations with other teams, so you're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to fill a lot of those spots with free agency.
Speaker 1: Do you want to add another eleven rookies to a
Speaker 1: football team that was already the youngest roster in the
Speaker 1: National Football League last year or would it make more
Speaker 1: sense to take the eleven draft picks that you have,
Speaker 1: maybe package some of them together to move up for
Speaker 1: one picks, in other words, trade two picks for one
Speaker 1: that may be higher in the draft, or trade three
Speaker 1: picks for one that may be higher or jp. The
Speaker 1: even better situation might be is to trade one of
Speaker 1: this year's draft picks for a higher pick in two.
Speaker 1: In a draft where you're you don't have quite as
Speaker 1: much equity, so build equity towards the future. And if
Speaker 1: you're the gentlemanager, you've got to be sitting there thinking
Speaker 1: that would be a perfect situation because we're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to improve our football team, and for you agency,
Speaker 1: we're available and going to be able to do it
Speaker 1: reasonably from a financial standpoint. We have a ton of
Speaker 1: draft picks from last year, and it depends on how
Speaker 1: they like them or how they don't like those type
Speaker 1: of guys. And then with the draft picks that you
Speaker 1: have now, leverage them into higher picks or future picks
Speaker 1: to keep the age structure of your roster where you
Speaker 1: want it to be, which is a little bit more
Speaker 1: mature and not so young, so plenty to dissect. And
Speaker 1: that's exactly what they've been doing since they arrived in
Speaker 1: the office here, getting ready for the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: Free agency coming up two weeks away from yesterday, and
Speaker 1: then we're eight weeks from the NFL Draft. We're back
Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll hear a little bit from Rhese
Speaker 1: Davis ESPN. He joined us today. We'll hear the full
Speaker 1: interview on Monday on Jaguars dot com. He has a
Speaker 1: long history covering college football and some thoughts on Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer and his shift to the National Football League and
Speaker 1: a couple of tight end free agents. Will go through
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Speaker 1: elevated it from you know, the just being a good
Speaker 1: or the best, big end programmed being one of the
Speaker 1: best programmed in the country. And that's what That's what
Speaker 1: he's done consistently at the college level. So I would
Speaker 1: agree with you in terms of of his legacy, I
Speaker 1: mean Saban stands apart from everybody, but I would say
Speaker 1: Urban and Uh because he's done it more than one place.
Speaker 1: He also won at Ukah. He wanted full and green
Speaker 1: for that mad rebon everywhere. But I would say that
Speaker 1: in terms of impact on the sport and changing the
Speaker 1: shape of the sport, and Nick would be at the top.
Speaker 1: Urban would certainly be right there, but I'd also put
Speaker 1: Devil Sweeney in that category as well. That's Reese Davis.
Speaker 1: ESPN College Game Day hosts joined us earlier today. The
Speaker 1: full conversation will come up Monday on Jaguars dot Com
Speaker 1: and Jack's social channels. So we appreciate Reese for his time,
Speaker 1: and uh, well we'll get a little more into the
Speaker 1: conversation of Urban's legacy as a college head coach. And
Speaker 1: uh there's little conversation logs about a certain quarterback for
Speaker 1: a certain university against South Carolina. Uh, Trevor Lawrence. So
Speaker 1: plenty of conversation with Reese coming up. He's been at
Speaker 1: this for a long time, So look for that coming
Speaker 1: up early next week. Earlier this obviousason we had right
Speaker 1: after the hiring of Urban Meyer, m kirk Herb Street,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna go for the whole College Game Day
Speaker 1: crew logs. Why not get them all on here? Why not?
Speaker 1: I mean, JP, I mean, look, look, I think it's
Speaker 1: great and and and here's the thing, and everybody that
Speaker 1: you talked to when when we start talking about two people,
Speaker 1: which is Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence, they have nothing
Speaker 1: but great things to say. About them as far as
Speaker 1: the quality of coach and the quality of where looking.
Speaker 1: And many people may like or not like certain personalities
Speaker 1: of one or the other, but the reality is is
Speaker 1: that if you're sitting there trying to evaluate Urban Meyer
Speaker 1: as a coach, there's no debate that he's one of
Speaker 1: the best football coaches that there is on the planet,
Speaker 1: and that Trevor Lawrence is one of the best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that there is on the planet right now when it
Speaker 1: comes to college football and on the sleep we gotta
Speaker 1: wait and see how the transition goes to the National
Speaker 1: Football League level, but many people expect that to not
Speaker 1: to be a very difficult transition. So look, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things to be excited about and a lot
Speaker 1: of reason to be excited, and and look, I'm right
Speaker 1: in that boat. You know, you've got a coach who's
Speaker 1: approven commodity. And this kind of reminds me going back
Speaker 1: to nine when Jimmy Johnson made the jump from the
Speaker 1: University of Miami to the Dallas Cowboys, and I was
Speaker 1: actually able to see some of that firsthand with Jimmy
Speaker 1: because that was pretty cool JP when I was a
Speaker 1: senior and getting ready for the Draft. I participated in
Speaker 1: a couple of All Star Games, one of them being
Speaker 1: the Blue Gray which JP you know all about them,
Speaker 1: the Crampton Bowling Montgomery. Yeah, absolutely, it was. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly uh you know, uh posh or anything of
Speaker 1: that nature. I can say that, but it was good
Speaker 1: football and it was competitive and uh yeah, there wasn't
Speaker 1: a whole lot went on, and it was a Christmas
Speaker 1: Day thing, so it wasn't exactly where you wanted to be.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless it to look at the competition and when
Speaker 1: we played ball, let's go and so it was a
Speaker 1: great experience for me. But the East West Shrine Game
Speaker 1: was something that was really nice. You know, they took
Speaker 1: great care of us. It was a about ten steps
Speaker 1: up from the Blue Gray Game. It was in Palo Alto, California,
Speaker 1: and it was almost dangerous because they gave us they
Speaker 1: had vehicles that were for the use of the players
Speaker 1: that came there. So we had about four or five
Speaker 1: of us of guys that were players and and we
Speaker 1: had a van and we ended up going out quite
Speaker 1: a bit. And one of the coaches on our staff
Speaker 1: was Jimmy Johnson, and at this time, Jimmy wasn't named
Speaker 1: as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys yet he
Speaker 1: was still just one of the coaches on the staff
Speaker 1: of the of the East squad of the East West
Speaker 1: Shrine Game, and Mike Godfried was our head coach, and
Speaker 1: so got a chance to hang out with Jimmy quite
Speaker 1: a bit, and he was relaxed, and nobody knew that
Speaker 1: he was gonna be taking the Dallas Cowboys job at
Speaker 1: that time, and maybe he knew that, No, we didn't know,
Speaker 1: and uh, and so it was cool to spend some
Speaker 1: time around him. And I've gotten to know Jimmy through
Speaker 1: the years, and he's an outstanding coach. No, a couple
Speaker 1: of guys and Darryl Johnson and Mark Stepanovski that played
Speaker 1: for him for a very long time and had nothing
Speaker 1: but going things to say about him as far as
Speaker 1: him being a coach and getting a team to win.
Speaker 1: And so, I mean, some of those same things I
Speaker 1: think are the reason that people are excited about Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer and Jacksonville. You know, you've got a great situation.
Speaker 1: You're flush with draft picks. The Jimmy Johnson situation created
Speaker 1: it with the herschel Walker trade. So you're not gonna
Speaker 1: have a trade to get all the draft picks as
Speaker 1: you've already got them. But but the excitement for the
Speaker 1: coach and also the expectations and the excitement for a
Speaker 1: quarterback coming in. You know, Troy and coming in the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and here you got Trevor Lawrence coming into
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars are expected to be coming in. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many different parallels. It's gonna be excited, exciting
Speaker 1: to kind of watch the growth of the entire thing
Speaker 1: and eventually down the road and maybe hopefully draw comparisons
Speaker 1: of the two. It will be. You know, we were
Speaker 1: I was talking to Research Davis earlier today and it
Speaker 1: was we're going through some of the things, the choke
Speaker 1: that we were going through, some of the coaches that
Speaker 1: have gone from college to the NFL, and there's been
Speaker 1: some positives you mentioned Jimmy Johnson Switzer came in. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a already set up and ready, but
Speaker 1: he still had to go in the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: he did that. Uh, Pete Carroll, your guy obviously had success.
Speaker 1: But then you can go the other way, right, Spurrier
Speaker 1: didn't last long, didn't work out well. Saban they won
Speaker 1: some games, but just not enough. They didn't have the
Speaker 1: right quarterback down there in Miami when he was there.
Speaker 1: The Alabama thing might not have ever happened if Drew
Speaker 1: Brees shows up in Miami. So, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of a feeling right now. There was an
Speaker 1: initial buzz nationally over the Urban Meyer hiring, but then
Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel that national buzz about Urban
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, maybe it's there's so much other
Speaker 1: stuff going on in the league right now, free agencies
Speaker 1: coming up. But I think maybe once they get back
Speaker 1: on the field again, maybe it'll hop back. And you know,
Speaker 1: the first week, if they they're winning football games, I
Speaker 1: think that will really shine again. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think the buzz has has subsided at all. JP.
Speaker 1: It's just that the conversation about the National Football League
Speaker 1: has almost taken a little bit of a break on
Speaker 1: most people's minds. And when the topic comes back to
Speaker 1: the National Football League, trust me, Urban Meyer and the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, they're gonna be right back at the top
Speaker 1: of that conversation. And you know, and it's interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: you you brought up some guys that some have made
Speaker 1: great successful transitions from college to pros, some that haven't
Speaker 1: made successful transition from the college of pros. And you
Speaker 1: brought up Pete Carroll, and Pete Carroll looked. The reality
Speaker 1: is that Pete Carroll uh started at the University of
Speaker 1: Pacific and then he was a defensive coordinator when I
Speaker 1: was with the Jets back in early days. Eventually he
Speaker 1: was the head coach and was not successful with the Jets,
Speaker 1: and then eventually he leaves there, and then he goes
Speaker 1: to Page Rates and he wasn't successful there. He goes
Speaker 1: to USC and he was incredibly successful there, and obviously
Speaker 1: you have the ability to recruit and so it's not
Speaker 1: a level playing field in college football. Well, then he
Speaker 1: goes to Seattle and he's kind of average, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he gets quarterback in Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: and then he wins the Super Bowl. You know Bill Belichick,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at Built Belichick the same thing,
Speaker 1: longtime coach of the Cleveland Browns. Didn't really have a
Speaker 1: great quarterback with Cleveland, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he gets Tom Brady, which is many people considered the
Speaker 1: goat and then he just starts winning super Bowl after
Speaker 1: super Bowl after super Bowl and who who what? What?
Speaker 1: What quarterback did Nick Saban have? I mean Nick Saban
Speaker 1: had Dan Rato, but it was Dan Reno at the
Speaker 1: end of his ring and there was absolutely no other
Speaker 1: help on that roster for Nick Saban to win with. So, uh, look,
Speaker 1: Howard Schnellenberg. I mean, there's a lot of college coaches
Speaker 1: that may transition, and the one important factor for all
Speaker 1: of these guys that make the move from college that
Speaker 1: pros that you've got to have a quarterback. And I
Speaker 1: always say this when you start talking about coaching, and
Speaker 1: I understand that coaching matters, but also the other part
Speaker 1: of that reality is if you look at all the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coaches that exist in the in the
Speaker 1: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, how many coaches
Speaker 1: are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame that don't
Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame quarterback? Right, There's not many
Speaker 1: come hand in hand. Now, there's really there's not many.
Speaker 1: I mean Joe Gibbs, I mean, because Joe Gibbs one
Speaker 1: with three different with with Doug Williams and Joe Thiesman
Speaker 1: and Jay Schrader. You know, so, but I mean the
Speaker 1: rest of the coaches. I mean you're talking about guys
Speaker 1: that had Hall of Fame quarterbacks that helped them win
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. And so with urban Meyer, look, urban Meyer
Speaker 1: is no dummy, and urban Meyer knows that if you're
Speaker 1: gonna win in the National Football League. And he said
Speaker 1: it in one of his interviews, and he talks about
Speaker 1: football being a quarterback sport, and he emphasized that it
Speaker 1: wasn't just about being at the National Football League level.
Speaker 1: He essentially said that it means and everything and it's
Speaker 1: important for everything at every level of football, from peewee
Speaker 1: to high school lunge two pros. And he hit it
Speaker 1: right on the head there. I've got to correct you
Speaker 1: on one note though, Um you mentioned save it at Miami.
Speaker 1: You said Marino. Marino was done in Remember the Jags
Speaker 1: beat him in the playoff game. That was his final game.
Speaker 1: He retired at that point. Saban got there in oh five,
Speaker 1: and his quarterbacks the first year we're gust Farratt and
Speaker 1: Sades rosen Fells. And then in two thousand and six
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in Miami were Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon Boy.
Speaker 1: Some real good, right, So who is the uh who
Speaker 1: was the coach for Dan Reno's last year? For my
Speaker 1: Jimmie Johnson, Ji, Jimmy Johnson. Actually I got confused. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I knew it was a former college coach. But I
Speaker 1: mean even the great Jimmy Johnson, a great of a
Speaker 1: coach as he is, and he has Dan Marino and
Speaker 1: he but still he doesn't win. So but Nick Saban
Speaker 1: had no chance with those quarterbacks JP, no chance. They've
Speaker 1: gotten breeze maybe, and they were close to getting them.
Speaker 1: They just didn't work out down there and the rest. Look,
Speaker 1: if I had those quarterbacks, man, I would be I
Speaker 1: would be turning around and running back to college football
Speaker 1: at the speed of light. Get out of here quick,
Speaker 1: because you know what when I get when I get
Speaker 1: back to college football, JP. Okay, I'm gonna go recruit
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the country. Okay, done work that
Speaker 1: way in the National Football League. You know, you keep
Speaker 1: you keep swinging and keep trying to get your guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you're not guaranteed of getting that guy in college football.
Speaker 1: Guess what if you're Nick Saban, if you walk into
Speaker 1: this young man's house over here and you say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm Nick Saban and I'm gonna win at the University
Speaker 1: of Alabama. That young man who might be the best
Speaker 1: quarterback in the country. Guess what. You ain't gotta hope
Speaker 1: you can get him in the draft. All you gotta
Speaker 1: do is convincing. Come on over here, young man, You're
Speaker 1: gonna win with me. And that's the difference between the
Speaker 1: pro game and the college game. Plenty ahead, we'll come
Speaker 1: back in a moment. Free agency around the corner. We'll
Speaker 1: touch on a couple of pending free agents that play
Speaker 1: tight end position and one that Logs absolutely loves and
Speaker 1: has loved for years in this division. Could he be available?
Speaker 1: We'll find out a little later. Some Trevor Lawrence rehab
Speaker 1: talk and quarterback rankings are starting to shuffle now. In
Speaker 1: the pre draft talk, we'll get your thoughts on Chris
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Speaker 1: on Apple, iTunes, Spotify or wherever fine podcasts are downloaded logs.
Speaker 1: I know you're subscribed to that, so thank you for that.
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. All the five stars, all the comments, everything.
Speaker 1: So this show is also always um archived as a podcast.
Speaker 1: We have the Huddle Up Podcast on Wednesdays now with
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osier and yours truly, and then on
Speaker 1: Monday's Jaguars Reporters, So Sexton, Ashlon Sullivan, Oshan and I
Speaker 1: are on that one. Uh, you're on this one. Longs.
Speaker 1: We've got Tuesday morning drive time, which is fine, and
Speaker 1: then Friday we have the The Jags Broadcast Weekend Review
Speaker 1: presented by t I A A. Bank. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on on the podcast world now for the Jags,
Speaker 1: and even when it's kind of quiet, Like we still
Speaker 1: have all these shows going on, which is a good thing,
Speaker 1: and it will only grow once we get closer to
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft in the next two months, it will
Speaker 1: be a lot more content to put out their logs. Well, JP,
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I'm I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of you and like anything that you do. Yeah, I'm I'm,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a subscriber, I'm a fan, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm a big JP. Shad how about that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that that's not what I was going for there,
Speaker 1: but okay, I'll take it. Thank you me, And I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to tell the truth. I mean, look, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, you know. I mean, with the phones that
Speaker 1: we have nowadays, I mean, look, you've got no excuse
Speaker 1: to not be up to date on everything that the
Speaker 1: Jaguars are going through. J P. It's not me, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's the whole team, team effort, team effort, And
Speaker 1: we have a plenty of different shows on this on
Speaker 1: this website and on the podcast network. You can check
Speaker 1: it out. Hey, let's um, let's shift gears quickly here
Speaker 1: tight ends in free agency. You know, we've We've touched
Speaker 1: on that position group over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: How it's been such an issue around here to not
Speaker 1: have anybody really stick. I mean, they've gone through the
Speaker 1: Julius Thomas, the Austin Seferian Jenkins of the world, Tyler
Speaker 1: Effort most recently, and none of them really quite have
Speaker 1: worked out as anticipated. It tied end. They've tried to
Speaker 1: draft and that hasn't worked out. Josh Olivers been banged up,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to play. So now it's you know,
Speaker 1: at some point you gotta figure this thing out. And
Speaker 1: and Bucky made a pretty good point the other other
Speaker 1: week on the Huddle Up podcast, Bucky Brooks, and you know,
Speaker 1: having tight ends is great, but you have to have
Speaker 1: a history and a way to use the tight ends effectively.
Speaker 1: And I think the match of that would do And
Speaker 1: leave leave the graphic up for a minute, because because
Speaker 1: I want to go through some of these guys here
Speaker 1: real quick, because I got a thought on each one
Speaker 1: of them. Tyler Davis was a draft pick last year
Speaker 1: that disappointed big time and uh, and so his opportunity
Speaker 1: to make the roster this year I think is in doubt.
Speaker 1: Tyler Eiffer as a veteran guy. You know, he was okay,
Speaker 1: but I mean, the reality is that you're not paying
Speaker 1: for what you're getting. You need to go get somebody
Speaker 1: that's that's young, that's got speed, that can threaten the
Speaker 1: middle and threatened the deep part of the field. Ben
Speaker 1: Ellison a guy that I liked. I think he's got
Speaker 1: a real chance. I think he's much better than Tyler Davis.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is look at how many
Speaker 1: times that Ellison was active compared to Tyler Davis. Last year.
Speaker 1: James of Shaughnessy was essentially playing on one leg. Eric
Speaker 1: Salbert was kind of an afterthought because they weren't getting
Speaker 1: anything out of Tyler Davis. And they bring Salbert in,
Speaker 1: who had been around a little bit, and he becomes
Speaker 1: kind of on the line type of tight end. And
Speaker 1: Josh Oliver is very intriguing because you know, what can
Speaker 1: he do? We don't know. I mean, He's like the
Speaker 1: Christmas present that you keep forgetting about every year and
Speaker 1: it gets left in the back of the behind the
Speaker 1: tree and everybody forgets about it, and then you're like, well,
Speaker 1: let's just save it for next year. We'll open it
Speaker 1: up next year. Well, then next year rolls around and
Speaker 1: gets forgot forgotten about it behind the tree again. And uh.
Speaker 1: And the reason why it's because he's been hurt. And
Speaker 1: that's not good. I mean, here's the reality. Have you've
Speaker 1: been playing the National Football League, the first and most
Speaker 1: important thing is availability. It's not about your ability, it's
Speaker 1: about availability again and and so hopefully he can get
Speaker 1: on the field this year and stay healthy. But look,
Speaker 1: you gotta go find your guy. And when I say
Speaker 1: find your guy, you need to find somebody that can
Speaker 1: threaten the field, that has speed, that has quickness, that
Speaker 1: is going to provide a comfort level for a young quarterback.
Speaker 1: I love John Smith of the Tennessee Titans, and I've
Speaker 1: made that known many times before. And I think he
Speaker 1: will be available. The Tennessee Titans are going to have
Speaker 1: some cat issues and so he's expected to be on
Speaker 1: the market now. Last year he had a somewhat of
Speaker 1: an injury played year, had some knee issues and was
Speaker 1: active for about fourteen games. But think a lot of
Speaker 1: the games that he was active, he just wasn't very
Speaker 1: effective because of the injuries. But when he is on
Speaker 1: his game, John new Smith, I think is he's not
Speaker 1: at that top tier, but I think he's a He's
Speaker 1: a notch below and looking. If you can get a
Speaker 1: notch below that top tier of the guy who's in
Speaker 1: Kansas City and the guy that's in San Francisco, you'll
Speaker 1: take that any day of the week. And what I
Speaker 1: like about John and Smith he is competitive as the
Speaker 1: day is long. He is a good, willing blocker. He's
Speaker 1: got quickness and he's got the ability to do things
Speaker 1: after the catch, and that's what you want with the
Speaker 1: tight end. So I think you got to take a
Speaker 1: strong look at him. Here. Here's the other thing to
Speaker 1: Laney Walker, who was a longtime Tennessee Titan, is a
Speaker 1: guy that uh that wants to get back into the game.
Speaker 1: He sat last year out and there would be little
Speaker 1: to no risk with a guy like the lady Walker.
Speaker 1: So do you take a chance on him. When I
Speaker 1: say a chance, you're not taking a financial chance because
Speaker 1: I think it would be a minimum guy. But do
Speaker 1: you take take a little flyer on him and see
Speaker 1: if he's got anything left the tank. Because the last
Speaker 1: time we saw Delaney Walker before he got hurt j P,
Speaker 1: he was pretty good. Yeah, he's he's towards this organization
Speaker 1: before he is thirty six years old blogs but veteran
Speaker 1: minimum maybe why not? Right? I mean, look, look, I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's look at Gronk Man. I mean, Gronk
Speaker 1: goes and retires and comes back and ends up doing
Speaker 1: some great things this past year for Tampa Bay. UH.
Speaker 1: The tight end that played UH for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know what was his name? J C. Witten? D Witten?
Speaker 1: I mean he played forever for the Dallas Cowboys. And
Speaker 1: he slows molasses. He goes and he and he goes
Speaker 1: to Monday night booth and he and he becomes a
Speaker 1: not very good in the broadcast booth. He goes back
Speaker 1: into football and he's still playing good ball. I mean,
Speaker 1: so look, I mean thirty six. I mean, if anybody
Speaker 1: can do it, it's a Delanney Walker. Because, like I said,
Speaker 1: the last time that I saw Delaney Walker play football,
Speaker 1: he was still pretty good and still a Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: type level player. But he had an injury. So where
Speaker 1: is he at with that injury? I'd like to find
Speaker 1: out Hunter Henry could come free as well. Chargers tight
Speaker 1: end too. You know, let's see last season, fourteen games,
Speaker 1: UH sixty catches, six under thirteen yards. He's been over
Speaker 1: six hundred yards the last two years. Four touchdowns last season.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that's put up numbers. Yeah, look, I
Speaker 1: mean he's he's a guy that could that could do
Speaker 1: some good things. I mean for me though, Uh, John O. Smith,
Speaker 1: I think he's got more juice, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean that juice to where you're talking about when
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator sits there and goes, what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do on the tight end? How do we treat him?
Speaker 1: Do we treat him as a receiver? Do we treat
Speaker 1: him as a tight end? Do we treat him as
Speaker 1: a blocker? I mean, those are the guys you want it.
Speaker 1: Does Hunter Henry do that for you? Do they? Does
Speaker 1: he strike fear? How many touchdowns that Hunter Henry have
Speaker 1: last year? Jpeople? Those sixty some oddcast four? Okay? John
Speaker 1: new Smith had eight and he only had like forty
Speaker 1: catches last year in limited action with injury. For me,
Speaker 1: I'm taking John H. Smith ahead of a Hunter Henry
Speaker 1: even though he was got some injury issue. If he's
Speaker 1: if he's all clear on all that, I'm taking John
Speaker 1: set all right. There you have it. We're pretty clear
Speaker 1: on what Logs wants to do it tight end and
Speaker 1: it's John ouse Smith. We'll see if he's free first
Speaker 1: and if the Jaguars make a move to go try
Speaker 1: to get him in the first week or so of
Speaker 1: free agency. Let's come back in a moment. Trevor Lawrence's
Speaker 1: rehab is underway. We'll get to Chris Sims quarterback rankings
Speaker 1: that have turned on Twitter this week. It's uh become
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Speaker 1: correction here. The ozone podcast is also each week hosted
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Speaker 1: that guy? He's the senior writer for Jaguars dot Com.
Speaker 1: You might have heard of him, so, uh, I haven't
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Speaker 1: My apologies to Ozone. I'm sure since he's like, I
Speaker 1: love Ozone. I'm just kidding. I'm just I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Is uh I can tell I will say this, Um,
Speaker 1: John is Johnny Ozone whatever you wanna call him, one
Speaker 1: of the most talented writers that there is in a
Speaker 1: national football league. I think that Jackson was very fortunate
Speaker 1: to have him. And I'm being serious about this because
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. The Indianapolis Cults, and since
Speaker 1: I've been doing the broadcasting of the football games, which
Speaker 1: you know, if you go back to doing uh television,
Speaker 1: which you go all the way back to gosh, my
Speaker 1: first year going that was UH nine with Fox and
Speaker 1: then eventually with radio, starting with the Jaguars and oh three.
Speaker 1: Whenever I did an Indianapolis Cults game, the Cults PR department,
Speaker 1: I mean it was terrible, terrible When I say that
Speaker 1: they you know, because it was the Peyton Manning era.
Speaker 1: So you would open up the public relations guide and
Speaker 1: the weekly release and it was just all the statistical
Speaker 1: information and You're like, look, dude, I don't have time.
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Speaker 1: Notes version, give me a summary, give me bullet points,
Speaker 1: give me information. And the Colts never gave that to you.
Speaker 1: So you know what I did. At the time Johnny
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Speaker 1: for Colts dot com. I would get all of my
Speaker 1: little tidbits and nuggets of information that would would help
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Speaker 1: and then wherever he was at because there was a
Speaker 1: period of time that he wasn't but he was still
Speaker 1: covering the team. That's how good of a writer John Oshres.
Speaker 1: He never missed anything when it came aim of the Colts,
Speaker 1: and I relied on him to get my cults information.
Speaker 1: So just then, that's the god's honest truth. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say that to pump up Johnny. O'sher. Trust me. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say this that you mentioned it was the Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning era, but it was the reason why there was
Speaker 1: no information coming out officially through the Colts PR department
Speaker 1: because it was the Bill Polian era as well. And
Speaker 1: that was no, no, no, no, no, Look look, look
Speaker 1: you had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne Peyton manning the two
Speaker 1: pass rushers Freeney and mathis when you had Hall of
Speaker 1: fame type guys, okay, And so when you have hall
Speaker 1: of fame type guys, you don't have to sit there
Speaker 1: and list every single catch that they've ever had in
Speaker 1: their career. Give them five key things to talk about
Speaker 1: in a broadcast about each guy. They may not use
Speaker 1: all five, but the real key to a public relations
Speaker 1: department and is focusing in the narrative of on certain guys.
Speaker 1: Give them the important, give them the nuggets, give them
Speaker 1: the nugget that they're gonna use, and make it easy
Speaker 1: for them in a broadcast. And the CULTPRD staff, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason during that time period they didn't get it.
Speaker 1: And uh and Dan Edward's son is now working for
Speaker 1: the cold PR department. So I think things are gonna change.
Speaker 1: I think I think so too. Let's move along here
Speaker 1: to the quarterback prospect list. You know, this is the
Speaker 1: time of year. Trevor Lawrence has been for three years
Speaker 1: heralded as the one at some point the number one overall,
Speaker 1: picking the best quarterback in college football and all these things.
Speaker 1: But as expected hashtag as expected. You know, it's about
Speaker 1: this time before the draft, two months out people start
Speaker 1: putting these lists out, looking at more tape. Oh we
Speaker 1: found this guy, and now these lists start to change
Speaker 1: a little bit. Chris Sims, when we're NFL Quarterback now
Speaker 1: with the Pro Football Talk, put his newest quarterback ranking
Speaker 1: list out and Trevor Lawrence was not number one. Zack
Speaker 1: Wilson has moved to the top of his quarterback list,
Speaker 1: and he went through along reasoning why earlier this week
Speaker 1: on Pro Football Talk. But that's kind of this is
Speaker 1: that timeframe when people look at maybe some reasons why
Speaker 1: you shouldn't pick a guy over another, and list change
Speaker 1: and you find tell me, tell me the big reason
Speaker 1: why Chris Simms thought that he should be over Trevored Long.
Speaker 1: Basically it was complete package, can make the big time throws.
Speaker 1: He has the mindset of um, you know, he actually
Speaker 1: dropped names like Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes. He has
Speaker 1: that type of arm ability. Said so, so Chris Sims
Speaker 1: is now Sigmund Freud. I don't know, he's digging into
Speaker 1: the mind quarterback. It's funny though, like the reaction to
Speaker 1: these is what cracks me up. Is like people freaking
Speaker 1: out out over this. It's not I think I'll say
Speaker 1: is that the Jets are gonna get a really good
Speaker 1: quarterback and maybe uh. It kind of just makes me
Speaker 1: laugh though, because the former senior editor of Jaguars dot Com,
Speaker 1: Vic Keshman, used to kind of laugh and because he
Speaker 1: would talk to scouts or he would talk to the
Speaker 1: talent evaluators and and they would give Vic, you know,
Speaker 1: his their opinion on a certain guy. And they they
Speaker 1: tell Vic and and they look at him, go the
Speaker 1: look in his eye just tell by the look in
Speaker 1: his eye that this guy can play. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like put you some kind of uh you know, secret
Speaker 1: uh abilities to be able to look into a guy's
Speaker 1: soul in the crystal ball of his future and to
Speaker 1: see what he's gonna be. H. But look, look at
Speaker 1: Christens is a title to his opinion, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of really good quarterbacks. But when you look at
Speaker 1: the traits that he talked about that put the young
Speaker 1: man ahead of Trevor Lawrence, the reality is that Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence does all those things. But then Trevor Lawrence has
Speaker 1: also done it on the national stage, and he's also
Speaker 1: done it everywhere and at every level he's ever been.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, he has better physical attributes
Speaker 1: to play the position at the National Football League level.
Speaker 1: He's got better sight lines because he's got more height,
Speaker 1: he's got the size, he's got the athleticism, he's got
Speaker 1: everything that you want. So I'm not trying to completely,
Speaker 1: you know, to say that Chris Simms is full of it,
Speaker 1: but uh, I think Chris Sims needs to maybe go
Speaker 1: back and reanalyze the tape a little bit, because I've
Speaker 1: watched the tape and there's no way. Pete Friscoe always says,
Speaker 1: everyone's entitled to their own wrong opinion. Let's go around
Speaker 1: the National Football League and start off with the schedule release,
Speaker 1: and Ben Fisher Sports Business Journal said the NFL says
Speaker 1: that it's currently targeting the second week of May for
Speaker 1: the schedule release. Historically, logs the release has come before
Speaker 1: the draft most years, and then last year, of course,
Speaker 1: it was pushed back into early May, and it could
Speaker 1: be even deeper. And the reasoning it's because the talk
Speaker 1: of the seventeen game schedule that could be coming after
Speaker 1: NFL owners meetings at the end of March, and the
Speaker 1: television deals. All that combined could push that announcement back,
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a big offseason mile post to
Speaker 1: to really get people fired up for the season ahead. Well,
Speaker 1: that would be a lot to do in one off
Speaker 1: season to be able to negotiate new TV deals, to
Speaker 1: expand the season to seventeen games, and also do it,
Speaker 1: by the way, we still have a global pandemic going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a lot to be able
Speaker 1: to accomplish. But I think the league needs to focus
Speaker 1: in on for this year. This is just my pain.
Speaker 1: They need to focus in on sixteen games for this year,
Speaker 1: make that the focus, and worry about getting things more
Speaker 1: back to normal with the COVID situation. Before you say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just go to seventeen games and look, I understand
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of money at stay okay and
Speaker 1: and totally get it, and that's not going to go
Speaker 1: away in the future. Though you still have the ability
Speaker 1: to to get to seventeen games. I think you've got
Speaker 1: to find a way to get more normalcy for your
Speaker 1: season this year with sixteen games, to where you're starting
Speaker 1: to find a way to bring fans back, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Before you start saying, Holy, let's go ahead and add
Speaker 1: seventeen games. You know, But the amount of money that
Speaker 1: they're talking about, I think with the networks obviously entails.
Speaker 1: And the reason for some of the sizeable increases in
Speaker 1: the money is to I think in large part of
Speaker 1: them talking about seventeen games. And so at some point
Speaker 1: you've got to go ahead and stop talking about it
Speaker 1: and do it and then then commit yourself to that
Speaker 1: and then you make a lot more money. I get it,
Speaker 1: But I think this year, I think you have to
Speaker 1: commit to getting back to more normalcy with sixteen games
Speaker 1: and still dealing with a global pandemic before you're worrying
Speaker 1: about adding the seventeenth game. That's just my opinion. Well,
Speaker 1: we we all know this next player has never met
Speaker 1: a microphone he doesn't like, and he's using one lately.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, rams cornerback, is in the media again this week.
Speaker 1: He says Deshaun Watson is quote extremely serious about not
Speaker 1: playing for the Texans again. That was on the Huddle
Speaker 1: and Flow podcast this week. Of course, Ramsey and Watson
Speaker 1: had the same agent. There's a notorious picture. Not notorious
Speaker 1: there's a photo of all three of them together that
Speaker 1: Jags fans, some of them I think is uh kind
Speaker 1: of rubbed them the wrong way. When Jalen was um
Speaker 1: still with the Jaguars. Of course he was photographed with
Speaker 1: the Texans quarterback. I think that was during the season,
Speaker 1: come to think of it might have been during the
Speaker 1: back ins reissue all of that combined. So M you're
Speaker 1: correct on all of that. So Watson it is extremely
Speaker 1: serious apparently about not playing for the Texans again. How
Speaker 1: about that? Are you surprised? What what is is? Is
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey breaking new's there? No? You know? So look,
Speaker 1: I mean I think everybody knew that Deshaun Watson was
Speaker 1: very serious, and uh, you're gonna find out how serious
Speaker 1: he is when he starts to put his paychecks at
Speaker 1: risk by not playing for the Houston Texans. And will
Speaker 1: it get to that point, I don't know. But if
Speaker 1: you want to find out how serious that Deshaun Watson is,
Speaker 1: and if the Texans truly want to find out how
Speaker 1: serious Deshaun Watson is, see if he will forego millions
Speaker 1: of dollars to not play for you. That's the way
Speaker 1: you're gonna find out how serious he is. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I just I know this. I would have a
Speaker 1: hard time, you know, passing up fifteen, sixteen, eighteen, twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars or whatever he would consider losing this year
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play, and it might even be more
Speaker 1: than that. I don't know. You'll never get it back
Speaker 1: once you don't get it to begin with that. Hey, Uh,
Speaker 1: And I ask you Unique and Gockway if you if
Speaker 1: you get that money back. And Gockway turned down a
Speaker 1: pretty sizeable deal by the Jaguars a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: And uh, And he's not going to see that again,
Speaker 1: you know. And right now, I think that if he could,
Speaker 1: if he could go back in time and revise his
Speaker 1: personal history, I think he might take that deal. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I don't know, but from a financial standpoint,
Speaker 1: he would have done much better by taking the Jaguars
Speaker 1: deal at that time. An update on the Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: situation in Pittsburgh Adam Schefter reporting today that Big Ben
Speaker 1: agreed to take a five million dollar pay cut in
Speaker 1: the final year of his contract this season and spreads
Speaker 1: his cash pay out into the two season lord the
Speaker 1: cap it by fifteen million, and then well, the capit
Speaker 1: was going to be forty one million in chains logs,
Speaker 1: so they needed a little space to get some things done,
Speaker 1: and he will be the quarterback of the Steelers this year.
Speaker 1: So in other words, he took a pay cut and
Speaker 1: then they tacked how many years onto the contractor Lower's
Speaker 1: great question? Great question, because I mean that's that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the only way to see that. That was the
Speaker 1: tricky part about Ben Roethlisberger that made at such a
Speaker 1: difficult situation for both Ben and the Pittsburgh Steelers, because
Speaker 1: you couldn't just say, oh, we're gonna get last Ben
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut, because even if he just
Speaker 1: took a pay cut, he's the amount of money that
Speaker 1: that was still going to be applied to the cap.
Speaker 1: In other words, you needed to try to find a
Speaker 1: way to add years to the current contract that he
Speaker 1: had to be able to lessen the hit for this year.
Speaker 1: And essentially, what you're doing, unless Ben plays in the
Speaker 1: future for extremely cheap you're still continuing to kick the
Speaker 1: can down the road, so to speak, on dealing with
Speaker 1: the salary catfishue of Ben roethl Sburger. But here here's
Speaker 1: the one thing. I'm glad that he's back because Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is part of He is the Pittsburgh Steelers in
Speaker 1: my mind, and that's an organization. I think it's gonna's
Speaker 1: gonna undergo a tremendous amount of change this offseason. It's
Speaker 1: gonna look a little different next year. But look, I
Speaker 1: mean when you watch football sometimes he just you know,
Speaker 1: certain guys are what football is about. I mean, Ben
Speaker 1: is the Pittsburgh Steelers. For many years, Tom Brady was
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots, and this year it was very
Speaker 1: different that he wasn't. Drew Brees is the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: Will he be back? I don't know, you know, so,
Speaker 1: I mean there's certain things that are very comforting and
Speaker 1: football to have your favorite player or one of your
Speaker 1: more likable players to stay with their team. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad that that happened. All Right, We've made it to
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