1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, March fourth. This is Jaguars Happy Hours. Jack 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Wars Happy Hour is presented by Duval Motor Company. And 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: now a guy who's college nickname was the Poutine Dream, 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Jay P. Shall welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, j P. Shadrick, 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Jeff Logman, and we have a busy program today, the 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: calm before the storm. The free agency storm is a 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: couple of weeks away. It's eerily quiet right now. We'll 8 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: see what happens in the coming week with the franchise 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: hag window closing next week, and then, of course all 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: heck could break loose once the teams start trimming players 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: free agency. Right around the corner. Were eight weeks away 12 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft starting in Cleveland, Ohio, So two 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: months ahead of draft talk, and we'll go around the 14 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: National Football League. Jeff Lackerman with us from his home 15 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: studio today as he is every week, and here we 16 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: are logs. You know, this is an early quiet time 17 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: around the Jags. There's not a lot of news coming 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: out of this place right now, but in two weeks 19 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: time that should change. It may be quiet for us 20 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: and for most fans, but make no mistake about an 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: inside the building, it is incredibly noisy. They have a 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: lot going on. They're trying to figure out exactly which 23 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: direction that they're gonna go in free agency. They're trying 24 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: to figure out who's going to be available in free agency. 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: They're trying to stack their draft boards position by position 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: and overall and uh and they're trying to do it 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: with a with a new staff. I mean so um. 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: I think when you have an organization that has kind 29 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: of been operating for a couple of years, as are 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: a number of years, and has been efficient, it's probably 31 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of a comfort zone. But 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: when you have a new coach, a new design of 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: the organization, a new general manager, and some new components 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: to the personnel staff besides the general manager, there's a 35 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: lot going on. It's just that we're not hearing about it. 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: But trust me that Jaguars have a lot going on 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: and they're working their rear ends off right now. And 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: I think, well, we'll see the fruits of that labor soon. 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: You would think that early in free agency, the first 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: day or two, since the Jaguars have the most money 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: to spend in the NFL, that they'll be players because 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: they have plenty of needs that could be helped by 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: a veteran free agent player to come in right away 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: and play well. And and you know, JP, to be 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: honest with you know, you kind of wonder sometimes when 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: when Shan Khan made the decision to clean house and 47 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden with the conversation that he 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: had with the media about the change and how he 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: felt it was needed, and he talked about how much 50 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: he was involved in the decision making throughout all of 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: last year leading up to the point where we're at 52 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: right now. You sit there and you go, you know, 53 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: he might be smarter than I think a lot of 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: people give him credit for. And that you know, you 55 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: have a situation here to where you have an amazingly 56 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: attractive situation. You have an organization that is flushed with 57 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: cap space, that has acquired great draft picks and uh 58 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: and also the timing of that with no pushing. And 59 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he predicted COVID, but I'm just 60 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: saying that with COVID in the situation that is upon 61 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: us right now, boy, I mean, there's probably not more 62 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: a more attractive new situation in the National Football League 63 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: than what the Jaguars have, so, you know, to to 64 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: be able to attract what he viewed as the best 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: of the best in urban Meyer. Obviously it worked tremendously, 66 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: but you know, you just wonder, you know, what was 67 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: some of the decisions and you go back and really 68 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: were some of the decisions that we've seen kind of 69 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: put in play here in the last couple of months, 70 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: where some of these decisions may be made maybe longer 71 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: than that ago, and that now we're just starting to 72 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: we're only getting a glimpse of really what is happening 73 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: of the inner workings of this organization. But look, the 74 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Jaguars are in in the catbird seat, so to speak. 75 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: This might be the one year in the NFL's history 76 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: that you can improve your team more so maybe than 77 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: in the other year because of what's going to happen 78 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: with the cap situation. You're gonna see a lot of 79 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: people that are gonna be out of work, and the 80 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: asking price of a lot of these people that are 81 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: gonna be out of work, I think it's gonna drop significantly. 82 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: And so if you're a team that has cap space 83 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: that has needs, which the Jaguars certainly fall into both 84 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: of those categories. You are in a great position to 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: acquire talent and in a great position to improve your 86 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: football team. And I'm gonna tell you this, JP, Yes, 87 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: they would be crazy not to try to improve their 88 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: football team, because the last thing in the world that 89 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: you want to do is to try to do something 90 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: like what they did or what they've called well and 91 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: Gus Bradley back in and that was to build through 92 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: the draft and build through you From looking I'm not 93 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: saying that can't work, but you've got to be able 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: to support a young quarterback who's going to be coming 95 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: into this organization. You've got to support them, and you 96 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: support them by putting good players around them. I'm curious, 97 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: two legs, once these deals start becoming public, once the 98 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: newly year hits and free agency opens for business and 99 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: deals are made and contracts are signed, what kind of 100 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: deals might we see? Will the will the players want 101 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: maybe a shorter deal, and then once this cap expands 102 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: again a year or two out, maybe they get a 103 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: little more of the piece of the pile. I wonder 104 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: how much that would happen this year. I think it's 105 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: gonna depend on the player. You know, if you're talking 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: about a veteran player. Look, you know, you look, you're 107 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: trying to You're trying to maximize that. You know, if 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: you've got one contract left, You're like, look, I've got 109 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: to get all I can get right now. I've got 110 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: to get as much upfront money as possible because this 111 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: is my last go round. I'm not gonna go ahead 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: and enter the dance again in free agency. Whereas if 113 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: it's a if it's a young player and there are 114 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: some free agents, and the Seattle Seahawks have one at Griffin, 115 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: the quarterback who was essentially I think five years old, 116 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: and he's entering free agency, well for him, look, he 117 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: he might have two contracts, maybe three contracts, depending on 118 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: the length of the deals that he signs in his future. 119 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: So for I think a younger player, it would probably 120 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: be more beneficial to do a shorter term deal because 121 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: if you look at what some of the moneys are 122 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: being reported about, what is the expected TV revenue contracts 123 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: coming in out around two billion a year. I mean, 124 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: you would be absolutely crazy if if you're gonna do 125 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: anything longer than a year or two because you want 126 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: to get back in free agency again when the TV 127 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: money is bumped. Number one and number two when the 128 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: gates are back open again and teams are making money 129 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: and concessions and ticketing and parking and everything else. You know. So, 130 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: I think it all just depends on the player in 131 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: the situation that that player is dealing with JP. But man, 132 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: if if I'm a young guy just entering free h 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: C and I've got you know, I'm not thinking that 134 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be done until another seven or eight years. Man, 135 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna sign a short term deal and 136 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: then try to cash in with a big deal like 137 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: we've seen in the past once to COVID situation. Subside 138 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: TV money has jumped and things get back to being 139 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: a little bit more normal to be able to cash 140 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: in again on another contract very soon. It's Jaguars Happy Hour. 141 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: That's Jeff log Whan. I'm J P. Shadrick. We're on 142 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: Tin Tin Am Radio in Jacksonville and on the Jaguar 143 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: social media pages each Thursday afternoon. We were talking about 144 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: this on another podcast earlier this week. Logs, you know, 145 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the the idea of how many new players will be 146 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: on this final fifty three roster after training camp. It's 147 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: a one in fifteen team. It's a new coach, it's 148 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: a new GM. They want to make it in their 149 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: own likeness. So my idea was like, thirty of the 150 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: fifty three might be new faces to the organization next year. 151 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Does that sound about right to you? Well, it could be. 152 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: And well the reason I said that because there's eleven 153 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: draft picks free agents coming, you know, undrafted guys that 154 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: they're gonna keep around. It's you're you're pushing a lot 155 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: of new guys right there. The one thing that JP. Look, 156 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean it very well could be. I mean, you 157 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: could have thirty new faces easily with with fifty three 158 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: man roster. And then reality, you're not really just talking 159 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: about a fifty three man roster. You've got to expanded 160 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: practice squads and in a much more liberal situation because 161 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: I think the code rules are not going away in 162 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: one They're still gonna be around, so your roster is 163 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: really much bigger than But well, with that being said, 164 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: I think that you could see a significant change. I 165 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: mean you can see thirty new faces very easily, but 166 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: that's not just out of fifty three. That's out of 167 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: a much bigger number with practice squad and everything else. 168 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: And I think though that the organization has to be 169 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: really careful. And when I say careful, I'm not trying 170 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: to say that that they're going to do something and 171 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: and and mess it up. But what I mean by 172 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: as far as the age structure, you know, your football 173 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: team that you have right now, the way it is 174 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: right now, is incredibly young. You've got eleven draft picks 175 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: that are sitting right there for you to you and 176 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: I think at some stage of the game you need 177 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: to start thinking how young do we really want our 178 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: football team to be? And because you know, you're gonna 179 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: have a great opportunity city to be able to acquire 180 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: talent and free agency because of the number of people 181 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: that are going to be looking for work because of 182 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: cat situations with other teams, so you're gonna be able 183 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: to fill a lot of those spots with free agency. 184 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: Do you want to add another eleven rookies to a 185 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: football team that was already the youngest roster in the 186 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: National Football League last year or would it make more 187 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: sense to take the eleven draft picks that you have, 188 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: maybe package some of them together to move up for 189 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: one picks, in other words, trade two picks for one 190 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: that may be higher in the draft, or trade three 191 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: picks for one that may be higher or jp. The 192 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: even better situation might be is to trade one of 193 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: this year's draft picks for a higher pick in two. 194 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: In a draft where you're you don't have quite as 195 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: much equity, so build equity towards the future. And if 196 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: you're the gentlemanager, you've got to be sitting there thinking 197 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: that would be a perfect situation because we're gonna be 198 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: able to improve our football team, and for you agency, 199 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: we're available and going to be able to do it 200 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: reasonably from a financial standpoint. We have a ton of 201 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: draft picks from last year, and it depends on how 202 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: they like them or how they don't like those type 203 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: of guys. And then with the draft picks that you 204 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: have now, leverage them into higher picks or future picks 205 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: to keep the age structure of your roster where you 206 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: want it to be, which is a little bit more 207 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: mature and not so young, so plenty to dissect. And 208 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: that's exactly what they've been doing since they arrived in 209 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: the office here, getting ready for the next few weeks. 210 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: Free agency coming up two weeks away from yesterday, and 211 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: then we're eight weeks from the NFL Draft. We're back 212 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll hear a little bit from Rhese 213 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: Davis ESPN. He joined us today. We'll hear the full 214 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: interview on Monday on Jaguars dot com. He has a 215 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: long history covering college football and some thoughts on Urban 216 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Meyer and his shift to the National Football League and 217 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: a couple of tight end free agents. 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So I would 281 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: agree with you in terms of of his legacy, I 282 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: mean Saban stands apart from everybody, but I would say 283 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Urban and Uh because he's done it more than one place. 284 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: He also won at Ukah. He wanted full and green 285 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: for that mad rebon everywhere. But I would say that 286 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: in terms of impact on the sport and changing the 287 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: shape of the sport, and Nick would be at the top. 288 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: Urban would certainly be right there, but I'd also put 289 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: Devil Sweeney in that category as well. That's Reese Davis. 290 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: ESPN College Game Day hosts joined us earlier today. The 291 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: full conversation will come up Monday on Jaguars dot Com 292 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: and Jack's social channels. So we appreciate Reese for his time, 293 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: and uh, well we'll get a little more into the 294 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: conversation of Urban's legacy as a college head coach. And 295 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: uh there's little conversation logs about a certain quarterback for 296 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: a certain university against South Carolina. Uh, Trevor Lawrence. So 297 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: plenty of conversation with Reese coming up. He's been at 298 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: this for a long time, So look for that coming 299 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: up early next week. Earlier this obviousason we had right 300 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: after the hiring of Urban Meyer, m kirk Herb Street, 301 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: We're just gonna go for the whole College Game Day 302 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: crew logs. Why not get them all on here? Why not? 303 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, JP, I mean, look, look, I think it's 304 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: great and and and here's the thing, and everybody that 305 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: you talked to when when we start talking about two people, 306 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: which is Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence, they have nothing 307 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: but great things to say. About them as far as 308 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: the quality of coach and the quality of where looking. 309 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: And many people may like or not like certain personalities 310 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: of one or the other, but the reality is is 311 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: that if you're sitting there trying to evaluate Urban Meyer 312 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: as a coach, there's no debate that he's one of 313 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: the best football coaches that there is on the planet, 314 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: and that Trevor Lawrence is one of the best quarterbacks 315 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: that there is on the planet right now when it 316 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: comes to college football and on the sleep we gotta 317 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: wait and see how the transition goes to the National 318 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: Football League level, but many people expect that to not 319 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: to be a very difficult transition. So look, there's a 320 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: lot of things to be excited about and a lot 321 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: of reason to be excited, and and look, I'm right 322 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: in that boat. You know, you've got a coach who's 323 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: approven commodity. And this kind of reminds me going back 324 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: to nine when Jimmy Johnson made the jump from the 325 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: University of Miami to the Dallas Cowboys, and I was 326 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: actually able to see some of that firsthand with Jimmy 327 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: because that was pretty cool JP when I was a 328 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: senior and getting ready for the Draft. I participated in 329 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: a couple of All Star Games, one of them being 330 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: the Blue Gray which JP you know all about them, 331 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: the Crampton Bowling Montgomery. Yeah, absolutely, it was. Yeah, it 332 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: wasn't exactly uh you know, uh posh or anything of 333 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: that nature. I can say that, but it was good 334 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: football and it was competitive and uh yeah, there wasn't 335 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: a whole lot went on, and it was a Christmas 336 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Day thing, so it wasn't exactly where you wanted to be. 337 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: But nonetheless it to look at the competition and when 338 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: we played ball, let's go and so it was a 339 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: great experience for me. But the East West Shrine Game 340 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: was something that was really nice. You know, they took 341 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: great care of us. It was a about ten steps 342 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: up from the Blue Gray Game. It was in Palo Alto, California, 343 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: and it was almost dangerous because they gave us they 344 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: had vehicles that were for the use of the players 345 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: that came there. So we had about four or five 346 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: of us of guys that were players and and we 347 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: had a van and we ended up going out quite 348 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: a bit. And one of the coaches on our staff 349 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: was Jimmy Johnson, and at this time, Jimmy wasn't named 350 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys yet he 351 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: was still just one of the coaches on the staff 352 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: of the of the East squad of the East West 353 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: Shrine Game, and Mike Godfried was our head coach, and 354 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: so got a chance to hang out with Jimmy quite 355 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: a bit, and he was relaxed, and nobody knew that 356 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: he was gonna be taking the Dallas Cowboys job at 357 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: that time, and maybe he knew that, No, we didn't know, 358 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: and uh, and so it was cool to spend some 359 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: time around him. And I've gotten to know Jimmy through 360 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: the years, and he's an outstanding coach. No, a couple 361 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: of guys and Darryl Johnson and Mark Stepanovski that played 362 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: for him for a very long time and had nothing 363 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: but going things to say about him as far as 364 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: him being a coach and getting a team to win. 365 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: And so, I mean, some of those same things I 366 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: think are the reason that people are excited about Urban 367 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: Meyer and Jacksonville. You know, you've got a great situation. 368 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: You're flush with draft picks. The Jimmy Johnson situation created 369 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: it with the herschel Walker trade. So you're not gonna 370 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: have a trade to get all the draft picks as 371 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: you've already got them. But but the excitement for the 372 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: coach and also the expectations and the excitement for a 373 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: quarterback coming in. You know, Troy and coming in the 374 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and here you got Trevor Lawrence coming into 375 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars are expected to be coming in. You know, 376 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: there's so many different parallels. It's gonna be excited, exciting 377 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: to kind of watch the growth of the entire thing 378 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: and eventually down the road and maybe hopefully draw comparisons 379 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: of the two. It will be. You know, we were 380 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: I was talking to Research Davis earlier today and it 381 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: was we're going through some of the things, the choke 382 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: that we were going through, some of the coaches that 383 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: have gone from college to the NFL, and there's been 384 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: some positives you mentioned Jimmy Johnson Switzer came in. It 385 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: was kind of a already set up and ready, but 386 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: he still had to go in the Super Bowl and 387 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: he did that. Uh, Pete Carroll, your guy obviously had success. 388 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: But then you can go the other way, right, Spurrier 389 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: didn't last long, didn't work out well. Saban they won 390 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: some games, but just not enough. They didn't have the 391 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: right quarterback down there in Miami when he was there. 392 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: The Alabama thing might not have ever happened if Drew 393 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: Brees shows up in Miami. So, you know, and it's 394 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: it's kind of a feeling right now. There was an 395 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: initial buzz nationally over the Urban Meyer hiring, but then 396 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel that national buzz about Urban 397 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: right now. I mean, maybe it's there's so much other 398 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: stuff going on in the league right now, free agencies 399 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: coming up. But I think maybe once they get back 400 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: on the field again, maybe it'll hop back. And you know, 401 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: the first week, if they they're winning football games, I 402 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: think that will really shine again. Yeah, I don't think. 403 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't think the buzz has has subsided at all. JP. 404 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: It's just that the conversation about the National Football League 405 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: has almost taken a little bit of a break on 406 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: most people's minds. And when the topic comes back to 407 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: the National Football League, trust me, Urban Meyer and the 408 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, they're gonna be right back at the top 409 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: of that conversation. And you know, and it's interesting, you know, 410 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: you you brought up some guys that some have made 411 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: great successful transitions from college to pros, some that haven't 412 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: made successful transition from the college of pros. And you 413 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: brought up Pete Carroll, and Pete Carroll looked. The reality 414 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: is that Pete Carroll uh started at the University of 415 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: Pacific and then he was a defensive coordinator when I 416 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: was with the Jets back in early days. Eventually he 417 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: was the head coach and was not successful with the Jets, 418 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: and then eventually he leaves there, and then he goes 419 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: to Page Rates and he wasn't successful there. He goes 420 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: to USC and he was incredibly successful there, and obviously 421 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: you have the ability to recruit and so it's not 422 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: a level playing field in college football. Well, then he 423 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: goes to Seattle and he's kind of average, and then 424 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he gets quarterback in Russell Wilson 425 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: and then he wins the Super Bowl. You know Bill Belichick, 426 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at Built Belichick the same thing, 427 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: longtime coach of the Cleveland Browns. Didn't really have a 428 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: great quarterback with Cleveland, and then all of a sudden 429 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: he gets Tom Brady, which is many people considered the 430 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: goat and then he just starts winning super Bowl after 431 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: super Bowl after super Bowl and who who what? What? 432 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: What quarterback did Nick Saban have? I mean Nick Saban 433 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: had Dan Rato, but it was Dan Reno at the 434 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: end of his ring and there was absolutely no other 435 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: help on that roster for Nick Saban to win with. So, uh, look, 436 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: Howard Schnellenberg. I mean, there's a lot of college coaches 437 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: that may transition, and the one important factor for all 438 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: of these guys that make the move from college that 439 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: pros that you've got to have a quarterback. And I 440 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: always say this when you start talking about coaching, and 441 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: I understand that coaching matters, but also the other part 442 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: of that reality is if you look at all the 443 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coaches that exist in the in the 444 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, how many coaches 445 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame that don't 446 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame quarterback? Right, There's not many 447 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: come hand in hand. Now, there's really there's not many. 448 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean Joe Gibbs, I mean, because Joe Gibbs one 449 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: with three different with with Doug Williams and Joe Thiesman 450 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: and Jay Schrader. You know, so, but I mean the 451 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: rest of the coaches. I mean you're talking about guys 452 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: that had Hall of Fame quarterbacks that helped them win 453 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowls. And so with urban Meyer, look, urban Meyer 454 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: is no dummy, and urban Meyer knows that if you're 455 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: gonna win in the National Football League. And he said 456 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: it in one of his interviews, and he talks about 457 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: football being a quarterback sport, and he emphasized that it 458 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: wasn't just about being at the National Football League level. 459 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: He essentially said that it means and everything and it's 460 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: important for everything at every level of football, from peewee 461 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: to high school lunge two pros. And he hit it 462 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: right on the head there. I've got to correct you 463 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: on one note though, Um you mentioned save it at Miami. 464 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: You said Marino. Marino was done in Remember the Jags 465 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: beat him in the playoff game. That was his final game. 466 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: He retired at that point. Saban got there in oh five, 467 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: and his quarterbacks the first year we're gust Farratt and 468 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: Sades rosen Fells. And then in two thousand and six 469 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in Miami were Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon Boy. 470 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: Some real good, right, So who is the uh who 471 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: was the coach for Dan Reno's last year? For my 472 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: Jimmie Johnson, Ji, Jimmy Johnson. Actually I got confused. I'm sorry. 473 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: I knew it was a former college coach. But I 474 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: mean even the great Jimmy Johnson, a great of a 475 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: coach as he is, and he has Dan Marino and 476 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: he but still he doesn't win. So but Nick Saban 477 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: had no chance with those quarterbacks JP, no chance. They've 478 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: gotten breeze maybe, and they were close to getting them. 479 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: They just didn't work out down there and the rest. Look, 480 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: if I had those quarterbacks, man, I would be I 481 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: would be turning around and running back to college football 482 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: at the speed of light. Get out of here quick, 483 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: because you know what when I get when I get 484 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: back to college football, JP. Okay, I'm gonna go recruit 485 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the country. Okay, done work that 486 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: way in the National Football League. You know, you keep 487 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: you keep swinging and keep trying to get your guy. Okay, 488 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: but you're not guaranteed of getting that guy in college football. 489 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Guess what if you're Nick Saban, if you walk into 490 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: this young man's house over here and you say, hey, man, 491 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm Nick Saban and I'm gonna win at the University 492 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: of Alabama. That young man who might be the best 493 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: quarterback in the country. Guess what. You ain't gotta hope 494 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: you can get him in the draft. All you gotta 495 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: do is convincing. Come on over here, young man, You're 496 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: gonna win with me. And that's the difference between the 497 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: pro game and the college game. Plenty ahead, we'll come 498 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: back in a moment. Free agency around the corner. We'll 499 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: touch on a couple of pending free agents that play 500 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: tight end position and one that Logs absolutely loves and 501 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: has loved for years in this division. Could he be available? 502 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: We'll find out a little later. Some Trevor Lawrence rehab 503 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: talk and quarterback rankings are starting to shuffle now. In 504 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: the pre draft talk, we'll get your thoughts on Chris 505 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Simms list. Oh that's ahead, it's Jaguars Happy Hour on 506 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network. Jaguars fans, here's a great way 507 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: to pay with pride wherever you go, exclusively from t 508 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: I A a Bank. 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All the five stars, all the comments, everything. 576 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: So this show is also always um archived as a podcast. 577 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: We have the Huddle Up Podcast on Wednesdays now with 578 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osier and yours truly, and then on 579 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: Monday's Jaguars Reporters, So Sexton, Ashlon Sullivan, Oshan and I 580 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: are on that one. Uh, you're on this one. Longs. 581 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: We've got Tuesday morning drive time, which is fine, and 582 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: then Friday we have the The Jags Broadcast Weekend Review 583 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: presented by t I A A. Bank. So there's a 584 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: lot going on on the podcast world now for the Jags, 585 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: and even when it's kind of quiet, Like we still 586 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: have all these shows going on, which is a good thing, 587 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: and it will only grow once we get closer to 588 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft in the next two months, it will 589 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: be a lot more content to put out their logs. Well, JP, 590 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I'm I'm a big fan 591 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: of you and like anything that you do. Yeah, I'm I'm, 592 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a subscriber, I'm a fan, and 593 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm a big JP. Shad how about that. 594 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate that that's not what I was going for there, 595 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: but okay, I'll take it. Thank you me, And I'm 596 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: just trying to tell the truth. I mean, look, here's 597 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: the thing, you know. I mean, with the phones that 598 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: we have nowadays, I mean, look, you've got no excuse 599 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: to not be up to date on everything that the 600 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: Jaguars are going through. J P. It's not me, you know, 601 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: it's it's the whole team, team effort, team effort, And 602 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: we have a plenty of different shows on this on 603 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: this website and on the podcast network. You can check 604 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: it out. Hey, let's um, let's shift gears quickly here 605 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: tight ends in free agency. You know, we've We've touched 606 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: on that position group over and over and over again. 607 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 1: How it's been such an issue around here to not 608 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: have anybody really stick. I mean, they've gone through the 609 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Julius Thomas, the Austin Seferian Jenkins of the world, Tyler 610 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: Effort most recently, and none of them really quite have 611 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: worked out as anticipated. It tied end. They've tried to 612 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: draft and that hasn't worked out. Josh Olivers been banged up, 613 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to play. So now it's you know, 614 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: at some point you gotta figure this thing out. And 615 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: and Bucky made a pretty good point the other other 616 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: week on the Huddle Up podcast, Bucky Brooks, and you know, 617 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 1: having tight ends is great, but you have to have 618 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: a history and a way to use the tight ends effectively. 619 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: And I think the match of that would do And 620 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: leave leave the graphic up for a minute, because because 621 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: I want to go through some of these guys here 622 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: real quick, because I got a thought on each one 623 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: of them. Tyler Davis was a draft pick last year 624 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: that disappointed big time and uh, and so his opportunity 625 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: to make the roster this year I think is in doubt. 626 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: Tyler Eiffer as a veteran guy. You know, he was okay, 627 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: but I mean, the reality is that you're not paying 628 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: for what you're getting. You need to go get somebody 629 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: that's that's young, that's got speed, that can threaten the 630 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: middle and threatened the deep part of the field. Ben 631 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: Ellison a guy that I liked. I think he's got 632 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: a real chance. I think he's much better than Tyler Davis. 633 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: All you have to do is look at how many 634 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: times that Ellison was active compared to Tyler Davis. Last year. 635 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: James of Shaughnessy was essentially playing on one leg. Eric 636 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: Salbert was kind of an afterthought because they weren't getting 637 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: anything out of Tyler Davis. And they bring Salbert in, 638 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: who had been around a little bit, and he becomes 639 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: kind of on the line type of tight end. And 640 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: Josh Oliver is very intriguing because you know, what can 641 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: he do? We don't know. I mean, He's like the 642 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: Christmas present that you keep forgetting about every year and 643 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: it gets left in the back of the behind the 644 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: tree and everybody forgets about it, and then you're like, well, 645 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: let's just save it for next year. We'll open it 646 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: up next year. Well, then next year rolls around and 647 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: gets forgot forgotten about it behind the tree again. And uh. 648 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: And the reason why it's because he's been hurt. And 649 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: that's not good. I mean, here's the reality. Have you've 650 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: been playing the National Football League, the first and most 651 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: important thing is availability. It's not about your ability, it's 652 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: about availability again and and so hopefully he can get 653 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: on the field this year and stay healthy. But look, 654 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: you gotta go find your guy. And when I say 655 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: find your guy, you need to find somebody that can 656 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: threaten the field, that has speed, that has quickness, that 657 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: is going to provide a comfort level for a young quarterback. 658 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: I love John Smith of the Tennessee Titans, and I've 659 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: made that known many times before. And I think he 660 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: will be available. The Tennessee Titans are going to have 661 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: some cat issues and so he's expected to be on 662 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: the market now. Last year he had a somewhat of 663 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: an injury played year, had some knee issues and was 664 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: active for about fourteen games. But think a lot of 665 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: the games that he was active, he just wasn't very 666 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: effective because of the injuries. But when he is on 667 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: his game, John new Smith, I think is he's not 668 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: at that top tier, but I think he's a He's 669 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: a notch below and looking. If you can get a 670 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: notch below that top tier of the guy who's in 671 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City and the guy that's in San Francisco, you'll 672 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: take that any day of the week. And what I 673 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: like about John and Smith he is competitive as the 674 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 1: day is long. He is a good, willing blocker. He's 675 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: got quickness and he's got the ability to do things 676 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: after the catch, and that's what you want with the 677 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: tight end. So I think you got to take a 678 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: strong look at him. Here. Here's the other thing to 679 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: Laney Walker, who was a longtime Tennessee Titan, is a 680 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: guy that uh that wants to get back into the game. 681 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: He sat last year out and there would be little 682 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: to no risk with a guy like the lady Walker. 683 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: So do you take a chance on him. When I 684 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: say a chance, you're not taking a financial chance because 685 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: I think it would be a minimum guy. But do 686 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: you take take a little flyer on him and see 687 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: if he's got anything left the tank. Because the last 688 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: time we saw Delaney Walker before he got hurt j P, 689 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: he was pretty good. Yeah, he's he's towards this organization 690 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: before he is thirty six years old blogs but veteran 691 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: minimum maybe why not? Right? I mean, look, look, I 692 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: mean there's there's look at Gronk Man. I mean, Gronk 693 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: goes and retires and comes back and ends up doing 694 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: some great things this past year for Tampa Bay. UH. 695 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: The tight end that played UH for the Dallas Cowboys. 696 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: You know what was his name? J C. Witten? D Witten? 697 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean he played forever for the Dallas Cowboys. And 698 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: he slows molasses. He goes and he and he goes 699 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: to Monday night booth and he and he becomes a 700 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: not very good in the broadcast booth. He goes back 701 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: into football and he's still playing good ball. I mean, 702 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: so look, I mean thirty six. I mean, if anybody 703 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: can do it, it's a Delanney Walker. Because, like I said, 704 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: the last time that I saw Delaney Walker play football, 705 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: he was still pretty good and still a Pro Bowl 706 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: type level player. But he had an injury. So where 707 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: is he at with that injury? I'd like to find 708 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: out Hunter Henry could come free as well. Chargers tight 709 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: end too. You know, let's see last season, fourteen games, 710 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: UH sixty catches, six under thirteen yards. He's been over 711 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: six hundred yards the last two years. Four touchdowns last season. 712 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: He's a guy that's put up numbers. Yeah, look, I 713 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: mean he's he's a guy that could that could do 714 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: some good things. I mean for me though, Uh, John O. Smith, 715 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: I think he's got more juice, you know what I mean. 716 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: I mean that juice to where you're talking about when 717 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator sits there and goes, what are we 718 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: gonna do on the tight end? How do we treat him? 719 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: Do we treat him as a receiver? Do we treat 720 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: him as a tight end? Do we treat him as 721 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: a blocker? I mean, those are the guys you want it. 722 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: Does Hunter Henry do that for you? Do they? Does 723 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: he strike fear? How many touchdowns that Hunter Henry have 724 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: last year? Jpeople? Those sixty some oddcast four? Okay? John 725 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: new Smith had eight and he only had like forty 726 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: catches last year in limited action with injury. For me, 727 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm taking John H. Smith ahead of a Hunter Henry 728 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: even though he was got some injury issue. If he's 729 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: if he's all clear on all that, I'm taking John 730 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 1: set all right. There you have it. We're pretty clear 731 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: on what Logs wants to do it tight end and 732 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: it's John ouse Smith. We'll see if he's free first 733 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: and if the Jaguars make a move to go try 734 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: to get him in the first week or so of 735 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 1: free agency. Let's come back in a moment. Trevor Lawrence's 736 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: rehab is underway. We'll get to Chris Sims quarterback rankings 737 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: that have turned on Twitter this week. It's uh become 738 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: a little bit hostile at times because a certain Trevor 739 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: Lawrence is not number one on his list will go 740 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: around in the league as well. And it's Jaguars Happy 741 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: Hour and the Jaguars Digital Network. Hi, this is Dr 742 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Basil of Basil Classic Surgery and Wellness. 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And 796 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: when we're mentioning the podcasts earlier blogs, I left off 797 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: and I will hear about it, So I've made a 798 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: correction here. The ozone podcast is also each week hosted 799 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 1: by our good friend John Osan the Ozone Podcast. Who's 800 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 1: that guy? He's the senior writer for Jaguars dot Com. 801 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,919 Speaker 1: You might have heard of him, so, uh, I haven't 802 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: met him. You will at some point soon and his 803 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: done sounds familiar. Well, well, we'll get you in touch 804 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: early next week. The next ozone podcast will come out 805 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,919 Speaker 1: with Peter Schreeger from NFL Network. He has a great 806 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: visit ozone does each week with a great national guest 807 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: or coach or player or whoever is the topic of 808 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,919 Speaker 1: the week. So that will come out early next week. 809 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: My apologies to Ozone. I'm sure since he's like, I 810 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: love Ozone. I'm just kidding. I'm just I'm just kidding. 811 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: Is uh I can tell I will say this, Um, 812 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: John is Johnny Ozone whatever you wanna call him, one 813 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: of the most talented writers that there is in a 814 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: national football league. I think that Jackson was very fortunate 815 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: to have him. And I'm being serious about this because 816 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. The Indianapolis Cults, and since 817 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: I've been doing the broadcasting of the football games, which 818 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, if you go back to doing uh television, 819 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: which you go all the way back to gosh, my 820 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: first year going that was UH nine with Fox and 821 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,439 Speaker 1: then eventually with radio, starting with the Jaguars and oh three. 822 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: Whenever I did an Indianapolis Cults game, the Cults PR department, 823 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean it was terrible, terrible When I say that 824 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: they you know, because it was the Peyton Manning era. 825 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: So you would open up the public relations guide and 826 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: the weekly release and it was just all the statistical 827 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: information and You're like, look, dude, I don't have time. 828 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: This is not a statistician broadcast. I don't have time 829 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: to go through fifty pages of how great Peyton Manning 830 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: is just in the numbers. Just give me the cliff 831 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: Notes version, give me a summary, give me bullet points, 832 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: give me information. And the Colts never gave that to you. 833 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: So you know what I did. At the time Johnny 834 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: had already left Jacksonville and then he was actually writing 835 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: for Colts dot com. I would get all of my 836 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 1: little tidbits and nuggets of information that would would help 837 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: our broadcast from John Oshan's writing on Colts dot com 838 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: and then wherever he was at because there was a 839 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: period of time that he wasn't but he was still 840 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: covering the team. That's how good of a writer John Oshres. 841 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: He never missed anything when it came aim of the Colts, 842 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: and I relied on him to get my cults information. 843 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: So just then, that's the god's honest truth. I'm not 844 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: trying to say that to pump up Johnny. O'sher. Trust me. Well, 845 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: I'll say this that you mentioned it was the Peyton 846 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: Manning era, but it was the reason why there was 847 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: no information coming out officially through the Colts PR department 848 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: because it was the Bill Polian era as well. And 849 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 1: that was no, no, no, no, no, Look look, look 850 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: you had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne Peyton manning the two 851 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: pass rushers Freeney and mathis when you had Hall of 852 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: fame type guys, okay, And so when you have hall 853 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: of fame type guys, you don't have to sit there 854 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 1: and list every single catch that they've ever had in 855 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: their career. Give them five key things to talk about 856 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 1: in a broadcast about each guy. They may not use 857 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: all five, but the real key to a public relations 858 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: department and is focusing in the narrative of on certain guys. 859 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: Give them the important, give them the nuggets, give them 860 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: the nugget that they're gonna use, and make it easy 861 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: for them in a broadcast. And the CULTPRD staff, for 862 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: whatever reason during that time period they didn't get it. 863 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: And uh and Dan Edward's son is now working for 864 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: the cold PR department. So I think things are gonna change. 865 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,879 Speaker 1: I think I think so too. Let's move along here 866 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: to the quarterback prospect list. You know, this is the 867 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: time of year. Trevor Lawrence has been for three years 868 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 1: heralded as the one at some point the number one overall, 869 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: picking the best quarterback in college football and all these things. 870 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: But as expected hashtag as expected. You know, it's about 871 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: this time before the draft, two months out people start 872 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: putting these lists out, looking at more tape. Oh we 873 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: found this guy, and now these lists start to change 874 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 1: a little bit. Chris Sims, when we're NFL Quarterback now 875 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: with the Pro Football Talk, put his newest quarterback ranking 876 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: list out and Trevor Lawrence was not number one. Zack 877 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: Wilson has moved to the top of his quarterback list, 878 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: and he went through along reasoning why earlier this week 879 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: on Pro Football Talk. But that's kind of this is 880 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: that timeframe when people look at maybe some reasons why 881 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 1: you shouldn't pick a guy over another, and list change 882 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 1: and you find tell me, tell me the big reason 883 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 1: why Chris Simms thought that he should be over Trevored Long. 884 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: Basically it was complete package, can make the big time throws. 885 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: He has the mindset of um, you know, he actually 886 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: dropped names like Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes. He has 887 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: that type of arm ability. Said so, so Chris Sims 888 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,399 Speaker 1: is now Sigmund Freud. I don't know, he's digging into 889 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 1: the mind quarterback. It's funny though, like the reaction to 890 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: these is what cracks me up. Is like people freaking 891 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: out out over this. It's not I think I'll say 892 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: is that the Jets are gonna get a really good 893 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: quarterback and maybe uh. It kind of just makes me 894 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,919 Speaker 1: laugh though, because the former senior editor of Jaguars dot Com, 895 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: Vic Keshman, used to kind of laugh and because he 896 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 1: would talk to scouts or he would talk to the 897 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: talent evaluators and and they would give Vic, you know, 898 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: his their opinion on a certain guy. And they they 899 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: tell Vic and and they look at him, go the 900 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: look in his eye just tell by the look in 901 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: his eye that this guy can play. You know. It's 902 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:48,760 Speaker 1: like put you some kind of uh you know, secret 903 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,240 Speaker 1: uh abilities to be able to look into a guy's 904 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: soul in the crystal ball of his future and to 905 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: see what he's gonna be. H. But look, look at 906 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: Christens is a title to his opinion, and there's a 907 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: lot of really good quarterbacks. But when you look at 908 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: the traits that he talked about that put the young 909 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,479 Speaker 1: man ahead of Trevor Lawrence, the reality is that Trevor 910 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,839 Speaker 1: Lawrence does all those things. But then Trevor Lawrence has 911 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: also done it on the national stage, and he's also 912 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 1: done it everywhere and at every level he's ever been. 913 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, he has better physical attributes 914 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: to play the position at the National Football League level. 915 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,919 Speaker 1: He's got better sight lines because he's got more height, 916 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: he's got the size, he's got the athleticism, he's got 917 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: everything that you want. So I'm not trying to completely, 918 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, to say that Chris Simms is full of it, 919 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: but uh, I think Chris Sims needs to maybe go 920 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 1: back and reanalyze the tape a little bit, because I've 921 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 1: watched the tape and there's no way. Pete Friscoe always says, 922 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: everyone's entitled to their own wrong opinion. Let's go around 923 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: the National Football League and start off with the schedule release, 924 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,439 Speaker 1: and Ben Fisher Sports Business Journal said the NFL says 925 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: that it's currently targeting the second week of May for 926 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: the schedule release. Historically, logs the release has come before 927 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: the draft most years, and then last year, of course, 928 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: it was pushed back into early May, and it could 929 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 1: be even deeper. And the reasoning it's because the talk 930 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 1: of the seventeen game schedule that could be coming after 931 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: NFL owners meetings at the end of March, and the 932 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,840 Speaker 1: television deals. All that combined could push that announcement back, 933 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 1: and that's a that's a big offseason mile post to 934 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,399 Speaker 1: to really get people fired up for the season ahead. Well, 935 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: that would be a lot to do in one off 936 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: season to be able to negotiate new TV deals, to 937 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: expand the season to seventeen games, and also do it, 938 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,399 Speaker 1: by the way, we still have a global pandemic going on. 939 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a lot to be able 940 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: to accomplish. But I think the league needs to focus 941 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,839 Speaker 1: in on for this year. This is just my pain. 942 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: They need to focus in on sixteen games for this year, 943 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: make that the focus, and worry about getting things more 944 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: back to normal with the COVID situation. Before you say, okay, 945 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,760 Speaker 1: let's just go to seventeen games and look, I understand 946 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of money at stay okay and 947 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: and totally get it, and that's not going to go 948 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: away in the future. Though you still have the ability 949 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,399 Speaker 1: to to get to seventeen games. I think you've got 950 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: to find a way to get more normalcy for your 951 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: season this year with sixteen games, to where you're starting 952 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: to find a way to bring fans back, etcetera, etcetera. 953 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,479 Speaker 1: Before you start saying, Holy, let's go ahead and add 954 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 1: seventeen games. You know, But the amount of money that 955 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: they're talking about, I think with the networks obviously entails. 956 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: And the reason for some of the sizeable increases in 957 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: the money is to I think in large part of 958 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: them talking about seventeen games. And so at some point 959 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: you've got to go ahead and stop talking about it 960 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,359 Speaker 1: and do it and then then commit yourself to that 961 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,040 Speaker 1: and then you make a lot more money. I get it, 962 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: But I think this year, I think you have to 963 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: commit to getting back to more normalcy with sixteen games 964 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,360 Speaker 1: and still dealing with a global pandemic before you're worrying 965 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 1: about adding the seventeenth game. That's just my opinion. Well, 966 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,879 Speaker 1: we we all know this next player has never met 967 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: a microphone he doesn't like, and he's using one lately. 968 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, rams cornerback, is in the media again this week. 969 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: He says Deshaun Watson is quote extremely serious about not 970 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: playing for the Texans again. That was on the Huddle 971 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: and Flow podcast this week. Of course, Ramsey and Watson 972 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: had the same agent. There's a notorious picture. Not notorious 973 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: there's a photo of all three of them together that 974 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: Jags fans, some of them I think is uh kind 975 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: of rubbed them the wrong way. When Jalen was um 976 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 1: still with the Jaguars. Of course he was photographed with 977 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,480 Speaker 1: the Texans quarterback. I think that was during the season, 978 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: come to think of it might have been during the 979 00:54:53,960 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 1: back ins reissue all of that combined. So M you're 980 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 1: correct on all of that. So Watson it is extremely 981 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: serious apparently about not playing for the Texans again. How 982 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 1: about that? Are you surprised? What what is is? Is 983 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,800 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey breaking new's there? No? You know? So look, 984 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean I think everybody knew that Deshaun Watson was 985 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: very serious, and uh, you're gonna find out how serious 986 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: he is when he starts to put his paychecks at 987 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 1: risk by not playing for the Houston Texans. And will 988 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 1: it get to that point, I don't know. But if 989 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 1: you want to find out how serious that Deshaun Watson is, 990 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,520 Speaker 1: and if the Texans truly want to find out how 991 00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: serious Deshaun Watson is, see if he will forego millions 992 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,319 Speaker 1: of dollars to not play for you. That's the way 993 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna find out how serious he is. And uh, 994 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: and I just I know this. I would have a 995 00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,720 Speaker 1: hard time, you know, passing up fifteen, sixteen, eighteen, twenty 996 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: million dollars or whatever he would consider losing this year 997 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,920 Speaker 1: if he doesn't play, and it might even be more 998 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: than that. I don't know. You'll never get it back 999 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 1: once you don't get it to begin with that. Hey, Uh, 1000 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,000 Speaker 1: And I ask you Unique and Gockway if you if 1001 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: you get that money back. And Gockway turned down a 1002 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,520 Speaker 1: pretty sizeable deal by the Jaguars a couple of years ago. 1003 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,840 Speaker 1: And uh, And he's not going to see that again, 1004 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 1: you know. And right now, I think that if he could, 1005 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,279 Speaker 1: if he could go back in time and revise his 1006 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 1: personal history, I think he might take that deal. Maybe 1007 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I don't know, but from a financial standpoint, 1008 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: he would have done much better by taking the Jaguars 1009 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: deal at that time. An update on the Ben Roethlisberger 1010 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: situation in Pittsburgh Adam Schefter reporting today that Big Ben 1011 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,480 Speaker 1: agreed to take a five million dollar pay cut in 1012 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: the final year of his contract this season and spreads 1013 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: his cash pay out into the two season lord the 1014 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: cap it by fifteen million, and then well, the capit 1015 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,640 Speaker 1: was going to be forty one million in chains logs, 1016 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,399 Speaker 1: so they needed a little space to get some things done, 1017 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 1: and he will be the quarterback of the Steelers this year. 1018 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,239 Speaker 1: So in other words, he took a pay cut and 1019 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: then they tacked how many years onto the contractor Lower's 1020 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: great question? Great question, because I mean that's that's I mean, 1021 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,520 Speaker 1: that's the only way to see that. That was the 1022 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 1: tricky part about Ben Roethlisberger that made at such a 1023 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 1: difficult situation for both Ben and the Pittsburgh Steelers, because 1024 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 1: you couldn't just say, oh, we're gonna get last Ben 1025 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: to take a pay cut, because even if he just 1026 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: took a pay cut, he's the amount of money that 1027 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: that was still going to be applied to the cap. 1028 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 1: In other words, you needed to try to find a 1029 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,240 Speaker 1: way to add years to the current contract that he 1030 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: had to be able to lessen the hit for this year. 1031 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 1: And essentially, what you're doing, unless Ben plays in the 1032 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 1: future for extremely cheap you're still continuing to kick the 1033 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,200 Speaker 1: can down the road, so to speak, on dealing with 1034 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: the salary catfishue of Ben roethl Sburger. But here here's 1035 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,760 Speaker 1: the one thing. I'm glad that he's back because Ben 1036 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is part of He is the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1037 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: my mind, and that's an organization. I think it's gonna's 1038 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,440 Speaker 1: gonna undergo a tremendous amount of change this offseason. It's 1039 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,560 Speaker 1: gonna look a little different next year. But look, I 1040 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: mean when you watch football sometimes he just you know, 1041 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: certain guys are what football is about. I mean, Ben 1042 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,600 Speaker 1: is the Pittsburgh Steelers. For many years, Tom Brady was 1043 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,160 Speaker 1: the New England Patriots, and this year it was very 1044 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,200 Speaker 1: different that he wasn't. Drew Brees is the New Orleans Saints. 1045 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 1: Will he be back? I don't know, you know, so, 1046 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's certain things that are very comforting and 1047 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: football to have your favorite player or one of your 1048 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: more likable players to stay with their team. So I'm 1049 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: glad that that happened. All Right, We've made it to 1050 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,440 Speaker 1: the end of another edition of Jaguars Happy our Lugs. 1051 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 1: Have a fantastic weekend. We'll catch up again with you 1052 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 1: next week. 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