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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a fun forty five minutes or so, guys,

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Speaker 1: so buckle up. We should have a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: And just for the record, we are recording this on

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Speaker 1: Friday morning. We already got into trouble with our other

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Speaker 1: podcast recording on Thursday for Friday shows, and then Blake

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Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday over the weekend, we don't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: That's why don't get mad at us. Gentlemen, how are

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Speaker 1: you the seasons a week away? You pumped? What's up? Fellas? Doing? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Doing all right? Excited to have something real to write

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Speaker 1: about rather than training camp. In preseason games it always

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Speaker 1: seems long, but for some reason, I don't know why

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Speaker 1: this seemed longer. I mean, O T A s uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the minicamps, the training camp, it just seems

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Speaker 1: and we have like more than two weeks to go

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Speaker 1: before the season. So this week, yeah, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: September eleventh. Is um is coming. We know in the

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Speaker 1: Nashville game, but it seems like it's taken forever to

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Speaker 1: get here. And my theory on that is that we

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Speaker 1: didn't have any practices on the road against other teams,

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Speaker 1: so there was nothing there to break up the monotony

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Speaker 1: of practice here. So that's gotta my theory on that.

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Speaker 1: let's start here, and I guess I'll go around the horn.

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Speaker 1: Art Stapleton, let's start with you, and then we'll go

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Speaker 1: Paul and Tom your thoughts on the Giants. Letting go

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Speaker 1: on Blake Martin. It's something we learned the late on Thursday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think, um, we looked at the summer

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Speaker 1: the signs were in front of us the entire summer,

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Speaker 1: I think we all thought that Week one in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: But I think if you look at the signs now

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Speaker 1: he just wasn't getting enough run in this defense and

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Speaker 1: they were phasing him out. And I think that's kind

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Speaker 1: of showed me that, wait a minute, something is up.

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Speaker 1: I tweeted something about the mystery of Blake Martinez, uh,

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Speaker 1: You know, when we were we got in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and you know, potentially it's okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: just talk about the receivers, but when you look at

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Speaker 1: the other units in the league, Um, a lot has

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Speaker 1: to go right, you know. I mean, you know, we

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Speaker 1: we've you know, all of us here have have have

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Speaker 1: watched everything that Kenny Galady does. And if anyone is

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Speaker 1: really pumped up for you know, number nineteen running out

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Speaker 1: there and having a great season, and you know, God

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Speaker 1: bless you, you know. I mean, he's capable of being

434
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Speaker 1: a good player, but you know, we just haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: With the Giants Ka Darius Tony, we've seen you know,

436
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Speaker 1: not even flashes. I mean there's like a snippet here

437
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Speaker 1: and there, and he says he's ready to go, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine. He could have a big game in Nashville,

439
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Speaker 1: but we'll he have a big game the next week

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Speaker 1: and the next week. I mean until he plays a

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Speaker 1: lot of games in a row. He's kind of a myth,

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Speaker 1: you know. Wandale Robinson I think is a nice guy,

443
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Speaker 1: a nice player, But did you notice things kind of

444
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Speaker 1: not slowed down for him in the preseason games a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He kind of looked smaller in the preseason

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Speaker 1: games a little bit. You know, he's gonna have a

447
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Speaker 1: a an adjustment period. You know, you know, a five

448
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Speaker 1: foot whatever seven receiver, five eight receiver, he's gonna have

449
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Speaker 1: an adjustment even though he'll play a big role. Darius Layton,

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Speaker 1: David Sills. Um, you know, the receivers are not quite

451
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Speaker 1: dynamic and um, not quite that exciting and um, you

452
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Speaker 1: know how many fantasy football leagues are gonna pick those

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Speaker 1: guys high up in their draft. You know, I mean

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Speaker 1: not a lot so um, you know, potential, but you know,

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Speaker 1: the offensive line better give Daniel a lot of time, okay,

456
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Speaker 1: because if he's waiting for Kenny Golla to break free,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long wait. Tom Well, that was

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Speaker 1: a great segway pol right into the offensive line, which

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Speaker 1: is what I was gonna talk about it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what Art's gonna talk about. We're running out of

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Speaker 1: position groups, but we really got special teams. Is an

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Speaker 1: Art special the whole the whole special team second could

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Speaker 1: be for aught. I won't say I'll put on mute

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Speaker 1: for special teams. Okay, yeah, that's fine, that's fine. You

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Speaker 1: can you can do the team mack uh the olde

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Speaker 1: the team mack uh so. But the offensive line that

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Speaker 1: they're good. They're they're not great, They're I think Andrew

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Speaker 1: Thomas is uh you know, it is poised to have

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Speaker 1: a really good, breakout, breakout season. I think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: potentially be in a lot of Pro Bowl conversations towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the year. The rest of the line.

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Speaker 1: But that's what they're going for, I mean, is much

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Speaker 1: better than what they've had the last couple Yeah. Again,

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Speaker 1: that's they've had so many years of that that that

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Speaker 1: just being functional, being able to do a double team

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Speaker 1: and take on a twist is astounding that they're able

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Speaker 1: to do that. And we look at you know, we

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Speaker 1: talked about what that line is gonna do for Daniel

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't know if they're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to protect him long enough for Kenny Galladay to get open.

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Speaker 1: But what the line is gonna do for sae Quon

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Speaker 1: And we've already seen that that whole North South not

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Speaker 1: dancing anymore. Sa Kuan set himself, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to run into the backs of my offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: That's what he had to do in the last couple

486
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Speaker 1: of years when when coaches said getting get north and

487
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Speaker 1: south and stop dancing, he was he was there was

488
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Speaker 1: no place to go. Now there's at least cracks for

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Speaker 1: him to try to try to squeeze through and and

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Speaker 1: push forward for a couple of yards. And I think

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Speaker 1: he's confident in that group, and I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: go a long way towards towards helping him be a

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Speaker 1: more successful running back. Uh and uh and and help

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Speaker 1: the team be more functional as as an offense. We saw,

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Speaker 1: we've we've we've seen that, We've seen the dark side

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Speaker 1: basically of of what an what an offensive line can't do. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to see what what an offensive line

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Speaker 1: who is filled that is filled with some professional players

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Speaker 1: who can function in the NFL can can provide. All Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the football nerd and go schematics. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna look at this offense in this system and say, yes,

502
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Speaker 1: the talent is not where it needs to be. You're

503
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Speaker 1: not looking at, you know, a team that is just

504
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Speaker 1: overflowing and like you know, you said, the questions about

505
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Speaker 1: asking the quarterbacks, is this the best collection of guys

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Speaker 1: you have? I agree with Tom with Andrew Thomas. I

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Speaker 1: think he's the best player on the offense, and I

508
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Speaker 1: think he's the most important player on the offense because

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Speaker 1: I think for fans of this team, if you're watching

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Speaker 1: this offense, if you have a potential Pro Bowl left

511
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Speaker 1: tackle in year three from where he came from to now,

512
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Speaker 1: that's gonna mean something for this team. And I do

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Speaker 1: believe that you know, Evan Neil at right tackle will ultimately,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, come October, will be a much better player

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Speaker 1: than he even is in September. Yeah, all right, do

516
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Speaker 1: you want to jump me real quick? I hope fans

517
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Speaker 1: do learn a lesson from the Andrew Thomas experience. Everyone

518
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Speaker 1: was getting up on the kid in the first eight

519
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Speaker 1: games of his rookie year. Please have some patience with

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Speaker 1: Evan Neil. There might be some rufflements early, but from

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Speaker 1: everything all of us have heard, I think we all

522
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna be okay a long term right but

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Speaker 1: schematically this offense, I love the route tree. I love

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Speaker 1: the routes that they're running. I think Brian Dable and

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Speaker 1: Mike Kafka have a way of getting guys open, maybe

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Speaker 1: except for Kenny Golladay. Um, you know, but I think

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Speaker 1: what this offense looks like in Week one, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: see things that fans dreamed of seeing from the last

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Speaker 1: two years. Is that's the way the NFL has gone.

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Speaker 1: It's a modernized offense. Now, granted you need the talent

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Speaker 1: the players are what makes it work. But I do

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Speaker 1: think that schematically also and Tom touched on it, this

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Speaker 1: offensive line may not be ranked top ten, top fifteen,

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Speaker 1: but what they do or what they showed in the

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Speaker 1: run game this summer, the way they use combo blocks

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Speaker 1: and pulling guys and actually creating holes, leads me to believe,

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Speaker 1: like Tom said, if you're say Kwon Barkley, this is

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Speaker 1: the best running line that you've had. So it's now

539
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Speaker 1: time to show that you can be the running back

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Speaker 1: that people say you can't, be the one that could

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Speaker 1: go north south and make plays and get those extra yards. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what I'm most intrigued

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Speaker 1: about this offense is that I know sometimes we put

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Speaker 1: too much on the coaches and the system and the

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Speaker 1: way things are. But Brian Dable is the head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Giants beat Because of that, he is here

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Speaker 1: in this position and got to the point where he's

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Speaker 1: so respected in the league, not just as a play cooler,

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Speaker 1: but schematically the way they were able to put together

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Speaker 1: that offensive buffalo. And I think that will have a

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Speaker 1: big impact at least the Giants hope, and they need

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Speaker 1: to to really help some of this talent get going,

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Speaker 1: uh and make it a little easier for the quarterback

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Speaker 1: and then running back rather than saying Daniel go lead us,

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Speaker 1: tickets for more information. No one mentioned the tight ends.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone have anything to say about the tight end room?

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Speaker 1: What tight ends? I know a lot to be asked

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Bellinger to come in and all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden be tight end one. I think I'm a little

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Speaker 1: little nervous for him and his development early on, that

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Speaker 1: too much is gonna be put on his plate. We

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Speaker 1: already saw in the preseason that he had that one

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Speaker 1: pass that turned into an interception for Daniel Jones. Uh. Ideally,

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Speaker 1: the Giants at a veteran presence at tight end and

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Speaker 1: let Bellinger kind of come along. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say slowly, but come along at his pace because they

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Speaker 1: sure have thrown a lot at him this summer. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want to stunt his development because I

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Speaker 1: do think he has a chance to be a pretty

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Speaker 1: good player. Um. That's my concern with the lack of

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Speaker 1: depth at tight end is that too much is gonna

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Speaker 1: be on the plate of Daniel Bellinger. Uh. And then fans.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know fans don't matter, and media doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: but the expectations can really weigh you down. Someone else

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Speaker 1: gonna jumping on tight ends. I also throw out this question,

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Speaker 1: whoever wants to jump in? Who's the starting left guard?

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Speaker 1: In Week one? Well, the art talked about schematics, right,

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Speaker 1: how many times is Brian Gable and Mike are going

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Speaker 1: to have two tight ends on the field at one time?

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Speaker 1: Probably not a ton, Not not a ton compared to

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Speaker 1: last year, right with Jason Garrett not a ton so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Daniel Bellinger's a lot on him. Um,

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Speaker 1: but look, they have two tight ends on the roster.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting that they listed Chris Myrick as a

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Speaker 1: fullback right now, he's not like a traditional fullback. He

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Speaker 1: looks like a tight end. But that goes to show you,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're only gonna put two on the roster,

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Speaker 1: and and and Myers is gonna fill a kind of

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Speaker 1: a different role. And um, it's not very important for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, is what Brian Dayble was saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have four wides and five wides, and you

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Speaker 1: know he used the tight end in Buffalo, but he

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Speaker 1: wants those other guys in more featured spots. So look,

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Speaker 1: there's different ways to skin a cat, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the the the the you know, the the great

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Speaker 1: tight ends in the league. Yeah, the Giants are not

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Speaker 1: going to be in that category. And they didn't draft

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Speaker 1: one to be in that category, and they certainly didn't

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Speaker 1: sign any being in that category. Who's the sign left

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Speaker 1: guard Tom opening Day, Max Garcia, Ben Bretticon, that's you know,

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Speaker 1: those are those the guys have been here. I think

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Speaker 1: by the time we get to October, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: one of these guys that they claimed. You don't think

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Speaker 1: Zoo has a shot at it. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Zoo has been on the field long enough. I

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Speaker 1: think if he had stayed healthy through training camp and

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Speaker 1: been able to show them something, I think I think

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Speaker 1: he would have would have had that spot. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that you can trust him out there. The reps.

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Speaker 1: We saw that he did take against the Patriots, Uh

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Speaker 1: who they play the Patriots in the in the opening

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Speaker 1: where the game he got hurt there when he when

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Speaker 1: he stepped in for Lemieux looked a little overmatched. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's fun. He's he's a He's a player

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Speaker 1: that they wanted to develop, not throw into a starting

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Speaker 1: role here right away. So I think they go I

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Speaker 1: think they go with a veteran uh there. And and

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Speaker 1: the tight end you know, Tanner Hudson. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: the most accomplished guy in in the tight end room.

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Speaker 1: He's he's a nice, nice guy and and he's got

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Speaker 1: some experience. He's got Super Bowl ring. He played with Gronk,

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Speaker 1: he played with Kittle. Uh, now he's playing with meyer

630
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Speaker 1: in in Bellingers, so we'll we'll see, we'll see what

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Speaker 1: he can do with that. I think Jack Anderson and

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Speaker 1: or Uh, I guess it's Tyree Phillips. Is that how

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Speaker 1: you say? His first year? They did obviously they were

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Speaker 1: claims this week. I think Anderson has an opportunity. Who

635
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Speaker 1: was down in Philly. He got great coaching from Scoutland Uh,

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Speaker 1: and he is familiar with this offense, even though it

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Speaker 1: was only a couple of months last year. UH. Anderson

638
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: was in Buffalo before Philly signed him. So I think

639
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: that that familiarity between Joe Shane and then Brandon Brown

640
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: who was in Philly, so he knows Anderson from last year.

641
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a guy who, if not in week one,

642
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: takes over that left guard spot for for the Giants

643
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: at least for the short term, and then we'll see

644
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: if a Zulu can develop into that player. All right,

645
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: let's jump over the defensive side of the ball boys.

646
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Let's start this time with you, Tom What position do

647
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: you have your eyes on that you think is going

648
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: to be really essential to how this team performs? In two?

649
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: With Wink Martin Dale here, Oh, I wanted that one. Okay,

650
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Well I asked Paul what he was gonna say, and

651
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: you want yeah, I mean, if you want to be

652
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: gracious about it, usually we're not here. But that's okay.

653
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: Well I was going to touch on the cornerback position,

654
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: but let's see what I'll talk about that too. So yeah,

655
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the cornerback is the thinnest position that

656
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: that they have. You know, their their third best cornerback

657
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: is probably their starting safety Julian Love. So you look

658
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: at you know, Aaron, Aaron Robinson out there, it's it's

659
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: just not it doesn't look like it's gonna work. And

660
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to find a way. If they're

661
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: gonna blitz and pressure and pressure and blitz like Wink

662
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: wants to, you have to be able to cover a

663
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: little bit on the back end. And we've seen quarterbacks

664
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: from Daniel Joe Owns to to everyone else that they've

665
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: faced so far, go right after number number thirty three

666
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: out there, and and it's gonna it's gonna get ugly

667
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: because even if he wins half of them, he's gonna

668
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: lose half of them. And and and so it's it's

669
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be picked on and picked on. And

670
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: I think that's when you talk about a weak link

671
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: to a defense. That's the week that's the weak link

672
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: right there. Dory Jackson may he may get ten passes

673
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: throw hid in his direction all season because other other

674
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: teams are gonna are gonna look out there, They're gonna

675
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna see Robinson and they're gonna say that that's

676
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: our guy. That's that's the one we're going after. Paul,

677
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: what would you like to add to that on the

678
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: cornerback position? You know what I was thinking when Blake

679
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: got cut? Right, we find out Blake gets cut, and

680
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I was looking at saying, who would have who when

681
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: this roster would I mean, I'm not talking about you know,

682
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas or Lennon Williams, but who kind of a

683
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: mid level guy would I have been shocked at? And

684
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you know other than Blake, And

685
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: I said, you know, if they cut Darny Holmes right,

686
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: I would have been floored, shocked. And Darnay Holmes is

687
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: a guy who has not had a lot of success

688
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: in the NFL with the Giants right so far in

689
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: his career, and he has now looked at as an

690
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: essential slot corner. So you know, Tom mentioned Aaron Robinson,

691
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: and you know that is fraught with peril that think

692
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: that he's a CB two. You know, I you know,

693
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: he says, you know, I mean I I'm not sure

694
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to be that um not throwing at

695
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: Dory Jackson. He has really not proved he's a cornerback

696
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: one either, And Darny Holmes certainly has not proved that

697
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: he has a capable slot corner in the NFL. So, um,

698
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's rough. They picked up some new guys. Uh. Look,

699
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: we talked about Wink and his schemes you know aren't mentioned.

700
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: They got run out a lot last year. You know,

701
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: schemes don't even go so far. You know, I mean, anybody,

702
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: any all four of us can say I'll dial up

703
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: a blitz on this play. Okay, that's great, but you

704
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: gotta have a back end. You gotta be able to protect.

705
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: You gotta get home with those blitzes. So um, yeah,

706
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: cornerback situation is, you know, the defense. You can see

707
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: that there are some spots there that are okay, but

708
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: until proven otherwise, you cannot hide cornerbacks. And man, it's

709
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: a rough situation, or you can add to that or

710
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: bring up another group, whatever you want to do. Well,

711
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: I'll stay on the back end and I'll go to

712
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: the safeties because I think if we see what they've

713
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: done at the position, it looks like they acknowledge the

714
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: fact that it's gonna be hard to find corners. So

715
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: let's just load up on safeties. Now, that may not succeed,

716
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: but when you talk about Xavier McKinney, Julian Love, Dame

717
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: Belton looks like he'll be ready to go for week

718
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: one off of the collar bone. And then you add

719
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: Jason Pinnock from the Jets, and Tony Jefferson who has

720
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of success with wink. Um. I think

721
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: between those five guys you could see because Pinic, Love

722
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: and Jefferson are all special teams guys, you can see

723
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: all five of those guys on the game day roster. Uh.

724
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: And then wink is mixing and matching to see what works.

725
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna be able to hide Aaron Robinson,

726
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: but um, look there's a hole there, and I don't

727
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: know if they can succeed by just biting the bullet

728
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: and saying we're just gonna live and die with Aaron

729
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: Robinson at corner and see if he can develop in

730
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: real time and um and make it happen. But their

731
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: cap situation and what they have fore and whether Cordell

732
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: Flott is an outside guy or an inside guy. Who knows,

733
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: maybe by midyear he's playing on the outside a little bit.

734
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: But those guys, it's kind of hard not to mention

735
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: the one spot on this team that you know really

736
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: raises flags. I mean teams, teams know it. You're not

737
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: hiding it. Tennessee is certainly scheming up. Okay, where's thirty three?

738
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: What's a play that can work against these guys on

739
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: the back end? All right, So we touched on a

740
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: lot of the defense. Here, guys, what else in the

741
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: defense you keep an eye on? You? We talked about

742
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Leonard and Dexter tackle. I mean, that's got to be

743
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: the strength of the unit. I would think you could

744
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: touch on that. And then what do you think about

745
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: the pass rush? Do you think o Jilari and Tibodeau

746
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: will We'll give you enough with those two young guys outside.

747
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Why don't we start with you this time? Mark Uh?

748
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: I think that's where you gotta look I mean, I

749
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: think you know what you're getting with Leonard Williams and

750
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: Dexe Lawrence moving to play a little bit more nose.

751
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: I like that. I think he maybe he fits better

752
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: in that spot rather than expect him to be a

753
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: pass rusher at end. But Thibodeau and Ochelari, we're gonna

754
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: be talking about it all week. We haven't seen either

755
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: since they've gotten injured. H Are they ready for Week one?

756
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: And if they're not, how much did do the nerves

757
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: start building? Uh? That the two young cornerstones that for

758
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: a week really brought a level of excitement to that

759
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: position for this team. And now they're both out. One

760
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: guy we haven't mentioned, and I think it's gonna have

761
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: a big role on this team, both personality wise and

762
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: production is John Ward. And I think he's the guy

763
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: who's gonna get probably a lot more snaps on the

764
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: edge for as long as Thibodeau and Ocellari are out

765
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: and then if they come back. I think Ward, what

766
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: he showed in Baltimore with Wink in his best season

767
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, was that he can move

768
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: up and down with his hand in the dirt too

769
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: up front. So Ward is kind of that guy where

770
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be forced into duty. I don't

771
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be as productive if he

772
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: has a high level of snaps, so I think you

773
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: want to get quality snaps out of him. But um, look,

774
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: until we see Thibodeau and Ochelari on the field, I

775
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lettle level of anxiety for

776
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: the Giants to say, what's the problem with the edge

777
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: because I don't think O'shane's, Jimminez and Toman Fox are

778
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: really the guys that you want to go into week one,

779
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: Week two, week three with those guys out there expecting

780
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: them to play the run well and actually get after

781
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: the passer. Paul Well, one thing I liked that aren't

782
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: mentioned about Dexter. You know, Dexter is in a new

783
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: role now and this was smart thinking by the front office.

784
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: They picked up his fifth year option, right, So now

785
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Dexter is not thinking, Okay, he's in a different role.

786
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: Everyone's we'll all we've been hearing is he's he's can

787
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: be a pretty good pass rusher. He's not going to

788
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: get big pass rush numbers. You know, it just doesn't happen.

789
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: So now he doesn't have to worry about that. He

790
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: signed for next year, so he doesn't have to be

791
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: disgruntled thinking, you know, they're not putting me positions to

792
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. I'm not gonna have a lot

793
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: of sacks. They're not gonna want me next year. Oh,

794
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: by the way, he signed for next year. So that's

795
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: smart synergy. You know that that works. Um, It's look,

796
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: this defense is built on their edge rushers right now

797
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: that you know they told us what. You know, they

798
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: get rid of their leading tackler and Blake Martinez, so

799
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: that's it. You know, the best thing that this this

800
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: old regime left for the new regime was AZ's Ocelari.

801
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: You know that it is a good guy to have

802
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: waiting there. And what they do with the first pick

803
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: in this regime, they took an edge rusher. So that

804
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: is the defense. You know, that is O c and

805
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: and Tuck. That is straight hand and OC. You know that.

806
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're then, but that is what they

807
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: want this to be built at. And it's unfortunate that

808
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: neither is healthy. Um, are either of them gonna play

809
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: in the opener? I wouldn't say, you know, I wouldn't

810
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: bed high on Thibodeaux playing. You know, I don't know

811
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: what his recovery time is. You know, he's new here,

812
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: um Ochlari, I don't know how bad that calf is

813
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: and those things can linger. Um so when they're healthy

814
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: and they need to be healthy soon, that is what

815
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay. The watch is those two guys going

816
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: after the past. Tonny can jump on anything on the

817
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: front there. Yeah, we care. We covered a lot of

818
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: a lot of ground there. Uh. You know we talked.

819
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about Thibodeau trying to break this this mythic

820
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: uh rookie sack record for the Giants, and you look

821
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: at that number and you're like, really, that's that's the

822
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: most the rookie has ever. I mean, Lawrence Tayler unofficially

823
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: had a lot more than that. But I know they

824
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 1: weren't technically counting that year, do we you know even

825
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: even that what was it nine and a half? Nine?

826
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: I have to go back and look, I don't remember

827
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: where's Paul the Tino when I need him? Nine and

828
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: a half? But they were there were how many games

829
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: did they play then? Was it? Um? That's probably fourteen? Right? Yeah?

830
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: So alright, alright, so that's and let's say anyway that

831
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: years ago he was a flash in the pan. Anyway, Taylor,

832
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: you know he didn't do anything. I think I think

833
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: he was a bust. Yeah so uh but but you know,

834
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: you look at these guys. I mean, before before Lorry

835
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: held the record, b J. Hill held the record for

836
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: most most official sacks by a rookie. So they've they've

837
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: never really gotten that that big rookie season from any

838
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: of these guys, from Tuck, from from Most, from from

839
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: anybody that that they brought in Jpp, those guys, he

840
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: didn't even play on defense is his first year. So

841
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: to Tabo Gillari be productive as a rookie gives you

842
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: give your hope. Uh. Thibodeaux certainly you would think has

843
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: A has a good good shot at uh double digit

844
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: sacks if he can stay healthy. And he so far,

845
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: we we haven't seen that. He missed a lot of

846
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: time in the spring. It's missed a lot of time.

847
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: Now in the summer, we're gonna see see what he

848
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: can do. But I think I think those are two

849
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: guys to be excited. But I think the two the

850
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: two book ends on offense, on the offensive line and

851
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: on the defense. That's that that's the foundation for the

852
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Giants moving forward. All right, let's go rapid fire here, guys,

853
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: some some fun ones. Who will lead the Giants in sacks? Paul,

854
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: don't you go first? Real quick? Um Az Leonard Williams,

855
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: Tom Thibodeaux. All right, now we go three different ends.

856
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: As I say, I like, all right, let's go the

857
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: reversal ord time, you're first. Who leads the Giants in

858
00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: receiving yards this year? M m uh se kwan Barkley, Oh,

859
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: spicy shorts. I'm gonna regret this. Darius Tony. I really

860
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: he is the first round pick, you know. Okay, all right,

861
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: go ahead, what do you got I'm joining Paul. I'm

862
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: going to Darius Tony. Okay, very good. I'm trying to

863
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: think of another good one we can do here. All right,

864
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: how about this over under wins and I'll just pick

865
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: the number that the people out there that do this

866
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: for a living have done and put it at seven.

867
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: Over under, let's start, I think or you even gone

868
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: first year? Go ahead, I say under, I had it

869
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: at six. I think that's where they'll be a lot

870
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: of holes. I think they'll be more competitive this year.

871
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: But uh, I go at six, Tom, I like seven.

872
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: I think there's there's some wins on this schedule. You

873
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: look at you look at some of the teams they're playing. Uh,

874
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: there's there's some wins there in the in the second

875
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: month of the year. And if they can squeeze out

876
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: a pull Division ones, they'll they'll be all right seven. Paul,

877
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: we're not following the rules. You said if the over

878
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: under seven, you can't pick seven. While that means Tom's

879
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: choosing not to bet, you know, I mean, yes, I

880
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: mean I think I'm going to pick in the New

881
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: York Post seven and ten. But if you're telling me

882
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: over under seven, now it's a different story. I gotta

883
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: pick eight or six, right, Um, I think they can

884
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: go seven and ten. Um. Some people who think that's optimistic.

885
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I guess you know, Tom doesn't. UM. But the over

886
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: under seven I would go under. But this is not

887
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: really a betting Uh. The show here today, So we'll Yeah,

888
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: this team, this team I think has the widest margin

889
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: of what they can do that of any team that

890
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen. I would not be surprised if

891
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: they won four games. I would not be totally shocked

892
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: if they won ten games, that's that's it wouldn't be shocked.

893
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: If they want ten, I would not be shocked at ten.

894
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean ten wins in a seven team game season.

895
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: You listens, like I said, there's there's some there's some

896
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: real duds on the on their schedule they have, they

897
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: have an easy path. I think I think that ten

898
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: wins would be um not uh you know, wouldn't not

899
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: be off my chair. Two times point the pad. The

900
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: Giants had games on one second against the Panthers, Bears, Jaguars, Seahawks, Texans,

901
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: lines and two against Washington. So I think that's where

902
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: Tom's coming from with that, right, But all those teams

903
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: are looking at the Giants go on, that's where we're

904
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna get our wind. And like Tom said, I mean,

905
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: I look, we've seen crazy things before. I mean there

906
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: was what one person who picked the Bengals last year

907
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: to get to the super Bowl. And we're not predicting that.

908
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see what what what happens. But

909
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles and the Cowboys are as far

910
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: as talent wise on the roster, are so far ahead

911
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: right now of Washington and the Giants. That that scares

912
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: me is your aready giving up four games potentially in

913
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: your own division before you even get out out there

914
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: against the rest of the league. All right, so let's

915
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: go here. Who wins the NFC East? Paul? Go ahead, Eagles? Right?

916
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going with the quarterback, and I'm going

917
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott over uh Dale and Hurts. So I

918
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: think the Eagles have the better talent, but I think

919
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: I think Dak Prescott is the best quarterback in the

920
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: division by far. Uh And I go with Dak Prescott

921
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: and the cowpum I picked. I picked the Eagles before

922
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: they went all in in the past week. So I'm

923
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: gonna stick with the Eagles. Very good. All right, give

924
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: me your Super Bowl matchup this upcoming season. Who do

925
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: you guys like? Let's already there, Paul, you look confident Chargers. Um,

926
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who I picked Chargers. The NFC

927
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: is tough, man. I was trying to figure this out

928
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: the other day of the NFC. It's hard to find

929
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: a team to be honest with you unless want to

930
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: be boring and picked the Rams again. No, I'm not

931
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: picking the Rams. Chargers versus Eagles, Eagles. That'll make Giant

932
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: fans happy. Tom, who do you got? That's what I

933
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: try to do. I try to make Giants fans happy.

934
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: That's what I get up in the morning and try

935
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I'm sure you do. I know our paper.

936
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: I pick the uh An all l A super Bowl.

937
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: I was boring. I went with the Ram, the Rams

938
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: and the Chargers, with the Chargers Charges coming out on top.

939
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: All right, Buffalo green Bay. Oh, that's why I have Art.

940
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: We were on the same page. That is my my thing.

941
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: I think I think it's Josh Allen's time, and I

942
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: think Buffalo is loaded, thanks in part partly partially to

943
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: some of the people that are in this organization now.

944
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: So I I go Buffalo, and I think Buffalo wins

945
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I think Art, I think Archie have

946
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: to cover both championship games. He needs to go to

947
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 1: Buffalo in January of February and Green Bay. We gotta

948
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: make that happen. Okay, just for making a prediction. I

949
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: think that's the only that's the only reason Tom picked

950
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: the Rams Chargers. I mean, let's be honest. Championship games

951
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: and that's so Fi Stadium. That would be awesome you

952
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: know what they would do. Yeah, that's a great quote.

953
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, would they play Saturday and Sunday?

954
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Is that what they would do? You think I would?

955
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: What if the Giants and Jets? Never mind? I'm sorry,

956
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: too soon? Do soon? Too late? Whatever, I don't, I

957
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm saying. All right, before we say goodbye, guys,

958
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: each give me like thirty thirty seconds or so, paint

959
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: a Rosie picture for Giant fans. Here we talked about

960
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that could go wrong and the

961
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So if things go well this year, Tom,

962
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, you made chance to get the ten wins. Point,

963
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: paint the rosie picture that you guys could realistically see

964
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: happening this year that you think the Giants would have

965
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: an enjoyable year. Tom, go ahead, say Kwon Barkley is

966
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: in the conversation for m v P of the League

967
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: as we get to December and they are running over

968
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: everybody behind Evan Neil as as a as a fire

969
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: engine clearing the path, and say Kraman Barkley slipping behind

970
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: him in the in the in the passing line, Paul,

971
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: things that make Giants fans happy? You know what, it's

972
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff. You know, Brian Dable, welcome to

973
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: the this new century. Do you get that first year

974
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: bump of the offense looks better? Uh? They control the

975
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: ball a little bit. They have a lead once in

976
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: a while. Giants never have a lead. So what happens

977
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: with the lead? Oh? Now week Martin Dale can say, okay,

978
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: we can put some pressure on. So the coaching synergy

979
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: works and that leads to success. Xavier McKinney is Landon

980
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: Collins two thousand and sixteen, is all over the field

981
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: making plays. He's in defensive M v P conversation. The

982
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: edge guys come back healthy. Thibodeaux and Ogelari both make

983
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: a run of ten sacks and offensively, I'll take it

984
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: from Tom's perspective. Se Kwon Barkley is Kuan that Dave

985
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: Gentleman predicted when uh they drafted him. I know, I

986
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: just set a name that Giants fans are not going

987
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: to be happy at least some. But that's how I

988
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: would paint the picture. And I do like that first

989
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: year bump that Paul talks about about the first year coaches.

990
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: You look at what happened with with Ben McAdoo in

991
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen. I think you could see something

992
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: similar if things come together for this team with Brian

993
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: Dable and Wink Martindale run of the show. Hey, and

994
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: what I'll say is that, Look, the guys that you

995
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: hope to be cornerstones at your franchise play really well. Right.

996
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned Davian McKinney. You know he becomes an All

997
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: Pro caliber safety. You think you're good at your bookend

998
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: tackle spots, two spots that Giants have been trying to

999
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: fill for literally a decade. You feel confident about that,

1000
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: Tom you mentioned it before. You feel confident that you're

1001
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: set at edge rushing with those gil A and Tibot

1002
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: all long term, and those are four guys at premium

1003
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: positions throwing. McKinney has that kind of you know, do

1004
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: everything eighties becoming kind of a premium spot two in

1005
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: the league. Look with Derwin James just got paid, and

1006
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: you feel like you have really talented guys at those

1007
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: spots and your set long term for the future. And

1008
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: I think that will make Giant fans very happy. All right, everybody,

1009
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1016
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Speaker 1: time we'll go around the horn, aren't you first? Uh

1017
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Speaker 1: check out my podcast. Season two is up and running.

1018
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Speaker 1: Um have Julian Love this week and uh, poorly you

1019
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: at Steve Serby two weeks ago. I mean I was

1020
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: just gonna say that for anything, show up for that, right.

1021
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1022
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Speaker 1: You can find it on all your favorite podcast platforms.

1024
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Speaker 1: Thanks John, Paul. Well, we're in a podcast mode. The

1025
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: Blue Rush podcast is coming back. I will co host

1026
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: with Lawrence Times. Giants fans love Lawrence Times right two

1027
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: times Super Bowl kicker. So um um, you know we've

1028
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: had a rough go of it. The team has not

1029
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: been good when we've been doing this podcast, and we

1030
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: have often talked off Mike boy, this would be a

1031
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: lot better and more fun and more interesting if they

1032
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: were a good team. You know, it's hard, as you know, John,

1033
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: to go week after week and talk about losing and try.

1034
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, Paul, Yeah, I understand. Uh,

1035
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: this is a state radio I get it. Um. You know,

1036
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: so Blue Rush podcast with Lawrence Times, and maybe they

1037
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: can win a few games and it'll be a more

1038
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: uplifting conversation. Is there an on the Porch with Tom

1039
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: Rock podcast coming? Now? I don't have an actual podcast,

1040
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: but Giants fans are welcome to jump in the car

1041
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: with me and take the ride from Long Island to

1042
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: New Jersey every day if they want, and we could

1043
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: just talk. We could just talk football along the way.

1044
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm always always happy to have company on Giants

1045
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: fans and cars getting coffee with Tom m hmmm, sounds fantastic. Guys,

1046
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: enjoy your livery day weekend. Thanks for being with us, everybody,

1047
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time on the Gihant Subtle Podcast.