WEBVTT - Everywhere You Look 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:07.000 Wine down with Jannet Kramer and I heard radio podcast. Okay, 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:12.840 so I can't even get for my words correctly. So 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.440 Catherine obviously is my best friend. And there are things 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.400 that I tell Katherine that I don't even tell my 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.959 mother or I mean, there's a lot of things that 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.919 you know, yeah, I mean you know, you like you 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.160 don't tell your parents everything, which Jolie will obviously tell 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:30.080 me everything one day. But there was just something that 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.879 I told Katherine that I was like, look, I need 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:38.199 you to go to your grave about this, and the 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.200 she I just ended up telling her about two seconds ago, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.320 and the look that she gave me, I mean like 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.479 she's and I wish I could tell you guys, I 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.880 really do, but I can't. I'm sorry, but it leads 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.519 me in Mark pop song, I wish we could have 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.880 had a camera so bad in that moment, I'm still crying. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:58.959 That was great. It was just like one of those 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.960 things where I was like, I have to tell someone 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.960 because it's so good, but like it has to go 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.200 to like your grave, and like you have that one 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.319 friend where it's like I you cannot tell someone else, 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.200 But that's it is that a lot of pressure on 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.200 you to now hold that secret. No really, I mean 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.119 I feel like you're like my vaults now. I feel 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.039 like I have a few of those to the grave, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:26.040 my secrets. I don't think this is the only one. Really. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:32.480 Oh oh yeah yeah yeah. Um. But I just it 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.880 brings me to this topic because I'm not a housewife girl. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.679 I just I've never been you like the housewives though. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.039 But you said you were just watching an episode right 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.600 where Erica Beverly Hills Erica Jaane. Okay, what happened? Girardi? 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.680 So she was telling two girls. They were like taking 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.520 a hike and the rest of the group was like 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.920 still at the house or whatever, and she was telling 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.200 two of the girls something I guess personal basically that 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.240 her husband still texted her soon to be at they're 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.120 going to be you know, they're getting divorced, still texted. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.520 So then they got back to the group and she 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.920 brought it. One of the girls brought it up, and 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:14.560 Erica lost her mind. So two sides of it. One 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.000 she didn't know she had told the other girl she 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.359 didn't want to talk about it to anybody else, but 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.840 this SMaL girl didn't know that, so she brought it up. Obviously, 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.000 for a little bit of drama. I mean for the show, 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.720 it was pretty obvious, but I mean she like hyper 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.680 ventilating in the bathroom just because he was texting her. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.000 They were saying the texting, yes that he still texts her. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.800 She's very very private, like very so her even giving 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.120 that I think was just a lot for her. So 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.440 then she felt betrayed by her. But you know, see 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.440 that's where I'm thinking, Okay, because we have a we 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.760 have a girl's night tomorrow, so I'm gonna be with 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:51.960 you know, we're going to be with three of our 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.080 other girlfriends. And I just feel like when there's certain 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.280 things that you just don't say, like I'm not gonna 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.240 but then there's other things that, like I we do say. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.040 We're like, oh did you like hear Rachel or Beth 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:09.600 or whatever? Yeah, what's the line between saying things? And 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.800 then also like I think this one was it when 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.080 I looked you in the eyes and it was like, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.200 if you tell a soul, I will kill you. That 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.440 was pretty obvious, but I think usually you kind of 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.440 sit back and wait and see if that friend is 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.960 going to offer it. But again, it felt like it 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.280 was for the show, So like if I were her 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.520 in that position, I would have waited to see if 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.640 she offered it to the whole group and she didn't, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.440 So I think that's where probably she went wrong. Um, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.200 but I don't know, do you feel like because it's 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:40.680 like it's so hard because like you want to when 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.440 you get juicy details, you gotta like you gotta tell 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.440 someone else. So it's like I'd be okay if you 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:51.440 want and told your husband, I'm not telling you why 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.000 I don't tell my husband your secrets that I don't 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.120 see Like that was the that was the kind of 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:02.000 thing where I you know, if and this is probably bad, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.920 but like I would I always God, that makes me 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.120 sound really good. That's bad though, because I would tell Mike. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:09.880 I would be like, oh my gosh, like keep this 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.120 between us, but like just to like there are certain 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.800 things I have done that for sure, there are certain 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.039 things and then there's just certain things I don't tell him, right, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.039 But I don't think that's bad. I don't think that's 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.080 I feel like I've told you something before. I've even 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.880 said like don't tell Mike, yeah, because you would like 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.760 assume right, you tell the other person. I really don't 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.880 want Mike to know whatever. We're right, Mark, Um, do 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.640 you keep secrets or do you tell the secrets? And 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.200 that's a good question. If you if you, if you 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:41.200 do confess, confide in someone something major, something juicy, is 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.640 there an expectation that they're volt extends to their spouse. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.200 That's a very good question, because I think it does. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.960 I believe my wife tells me all of the gossip, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.720 of all of the secrets of our friends or neighbors, whatever. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:55.920 But I don't know how to present, but I think so, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.159 and I tell her everything I find out, So I 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.480 think it extends the spouse. And let's specifically stated Okay, yeah, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.080 I agree. Yeah, because then then you said I think before, like, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.119 don't tell Mike, And then I'm like, okay, yeah, I agree. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.480 And there's I'm sure there's things that you I mean, yes, 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.680 there's obviously things that you've told me. I'm just saying 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:17.680 today's information. Just with me. Let's talk about today's information 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:22.240 just a little bit. Mark is watering at his like, 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:28.719 I mean, he is ruling for this like this stuff, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.680 and it's really what's made this podcast touch. Let's get 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.880 on the let's get on the pot. Let's let's do it. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.040 You're just like, really, get on your platform. Well, could 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:44.120 we get a clue as to like with category this jem? 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.160 It have to do with your marriage? Does this have 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:58.640 to do with sex? No, mhmm interesting, Does this have 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.680 to do with a uh potential partner? Okay, we're going 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.680 to stay the show now. Mark is just a trouble 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:12.520 baker or something. It's just trouble, trouble, trouble trouble. It's 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.400 just you know, it's just a funny, funny times right now, 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:21.640 just trying to navigate life. Catherine, when you found out 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.679 this information, I wish there would have been a camera 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:32.840 because you were so shocked, shocked, shocked in the sense 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:40.800 of if you do you would you want to be 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.440 in Janna's shoes in that situation. That's a really good 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:49.840 that's a really good question. I'm so that Mark question. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:07:00.159 I were in Janna's shoes maybe, oh maybe? Okay? Ye? 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.680 Who else knows this anyone other than Katherine Pamelin My 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.599 My My Rider Dies are Cat and Pam the Miami 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.400 group Miami is like my grave, like they're my they're 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.720 my grave diggers, Like it's if something is happening in 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.440 my life, like they are the ones that like I immediately, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.760 like for example, when everything was found out that you 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.600 shouldn't laugh by the But with Max it was like 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.800 the two people I called was I texted Cat and 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.760 then Pamelin was out of the bus stop. I was like, 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.680 get in here now, So, um it's these those these 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.520 are my two. But I mean, yeah, even like when 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:41.840 I make bad choices and when I you know, I 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.520 own up to certain things as well with them, Is 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.840 this about a bad choice you've made? This could be potentially, yes, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.960 it could be. That's what. Okay, Yes, it's a bad 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.600 choice that you could maybe is this something we could 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.320 find out about some day potentially potentially? Yeah, Okay, I 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.320 think I'm on the right track here because it involve 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:09.120 a direct message, what are you doing right now? I'm 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.360 going to move on. I think I think I'm getting 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.160 close here. You're getting hot and I don't like it. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:21.760 So anyways, um, wow, I can't believe we just talked 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.960 about so we didn't talk about anything, right. We talked 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.400 about friendship in keeping secrets and how I guess I 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.040 was not a great friend because I would tell my 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.160 ex No, that doesn't make you bad friend. I don't 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.960 think that makes me practice validated. It didn't make me friend. 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.280 I just think sometimes my husband doesn't need all the 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.880 details in between. Um wait, this is the best rumor. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.120 We're gonna start right now. Brad Pitt d m Jane 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.960 and asked her on a date. My guest and Daniel. Um, hi, 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.120 we do know that I'm a D list actress, right 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:55.920 and a rejected music start. Okay, Um, let's take a 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.960 break and then we're going to bring on another girl 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.320 who I just love so much. I basically grew up 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.000 watching her on Full House. Um, we're gonna bring Candas on. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:17.720 So take a break and bring on. Hey girl, how 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.960 are you? Um? This is my girlfriend Katherine. We're having 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.040 a little girl's girl's day. You are in my favorite 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.320 setting ever. Is that in your house or are you 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.640 at in Napa? I'm at my house and Nappa. Do 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:36.280 you have your own wine? Yeah? What my husband does? Okay? 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.520 What what? What wine? Is it? Beret family wines? Oh? 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.720 I want to try. I'm a big I'm a big wine. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.240 Oh so I appreciate in love wines. And then you've 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.400 been married for how long? Again? How many years? Years? Okay? Yes, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:54.880 a long time? I have to say too I remember 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.640 reading an article that popped up, and I mean, obviously, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.640 like I said, I've already always loved you, but I really, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.720 really truly respected you when you came out and said 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.480 that you guys had issues during quarantine, I was like, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.840 how refreshing was it too? For it was so refreshing 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.600 for me to see, you know, that someone you know 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.760 who's just seems to have it just this perfect life 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.800 and you know, just picture perfect, amazing you know, marriage, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.880 and to say like, no, like we have issues too. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.920 I just I really respected the hell out of you 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.640 for that. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, man, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.959 we've everyone has their stuff, Everyone has problems and ups 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.520 and downs, and um, you know, not everyone needs to 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.720 know all the details. But at the same time, there's 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.880 a level of honesty that I think we should be 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.920 talking about so that the Instagram filter of the world 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.320 isn't um, you know, doesn't make people believe that things 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:58.640 are picture perfect when they're not, because that's not relatable. No, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.120 I agree with that, and I think there's a healthy balance. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.400 I think I was a little overboard with sharing where 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.439 I think the next time around, I'm gonna be shared. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.800 I think overshared a little bit. But I think that 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.160 was my, you know, way of just trying to deal 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.319 if I'm being honest, But you know, now I think 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.920 next relationship it will be more sacred. But also being like, hey, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.120 it's not perfect, because what marriage is. And even when 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.080 I look at some friends like Payam, I'm always like, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:25.719 you have a perfect marriage, and she's like Jim that 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.200 she's like nothing is perfect, Like there's gonna have there's 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.959 gonna be shortcomings and some things, or maybe he's not 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.560 as romantic as I want them to be or this, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.080 or it's like there's nothing that's always have to work 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:40.920 at something. Yeah, that's true. So you I'm obviously even acting, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.199 you know, child actor forever um and now your daughter acts. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.440 Was that something that you were kind of did you 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.400 want her to follow in your footsteps where you just 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.280 kind of like let her do whatever she wanted to do. Yeah, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:55.880 I'm just I'm supportive of my children and whatever whatever 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.120 path they want to go down as far as career 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.680 and all of that. And but it was very apparent 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:06.720 when Natasha was little that she loved to sing and act, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:08.840 so it wasn't a surprise that she wanted to be 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.199 in the industry, and I've I love being in the industry. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.480 It has its challenges, of course, but I've had a 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.480 great experience in it. I've been in this business for 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:24.640 over forty years. So it wasn't um surprising to me, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.160 And it wasn't something that I feared for her either, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.040 because I'm her best advocate and I've been down many 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.360 of these roads. So there's no better person to help 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:37.280 guide her and give her advice and to connect her 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:42.440 with the right people than than her mom. I was 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:48.079 reading something to um earlier this morning, and it kind 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.960 of got me, you know, with like social media and 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.160 the tiktoks and stuff, when you said, like when you 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.440 apologize for a video, and I'm like, I hate that, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.760 Like you even people have to feel like we have 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.800 to apologize because I feel like, oh, if you say 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.240 one wrong thing or if you do this, like because 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.280 they just want you to be this perfect holy you 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.200 know what they have in their mind. It's like, what 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.400 you can't dance and have a little fun on a 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.599 social media thing? And then it's like, then why do 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.560 you have to apologize for just having feeling free and 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:20.160 being sexy because you are yeah, you know, as you 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.840 do know that media tends to blow things out of 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.720 proportion from what you say and do, and then it 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.920 becomes this headline that's actually bigger than how it went 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:36.880 down or happen. But you know, when my TikTok gone wrong, um, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.960 it's like, clearly I just missed the mark. That's me 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.559 being forty five trying to keep up with the twenty 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.520 year old. But I was trying to copy my daughter. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.920 That's all I was trying to do and clearly missed 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.840 the mark. But like you were also just having fun 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.120 and like feeling sexy because you are You're sexy. It's 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.000 just like people are like, stop showing your boobs. I'm like, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.080 I like my boobs. I just got them pay for 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.000 him and I really like them, like I'm showing them. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:07.720 M well, uh, when I popped back onto Instagram to 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.480 say like, hey, okay, I guess you guys didn't like that, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.480 I will say I'm a I enjoy apologizing. I like 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.240 receiving an apology if someone is wrong, so I am 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.800 quick to say like, hey, if I got that wrong, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:28.200 I'm sorry. Uh, but I think the apology was as 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.880 easy as that, like oh so sorry. I I didn't 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.440 realize that that was going to offend so many people, 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.320 but it was a very easy one. It wasn't like 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.640 this headline like let me apologize. I did something so 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.880 wrong and I shouldn't have acted that way. I didn't 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.960 apologize for that. It was just more like, oh, yes, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.400 I didn't. I don't know. It just was a TikTok 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.200 gone wrong. So I feel like it kind of blew 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.359 up more than what I meant. It as an apology 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.520 was just a very easy like sorry, guys, I missed 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.960 the mark well and even like the like the seductive 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.160 and I'm like, okay, cool, so guys can take their 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.520 shirts off and walk around and like mow the grass, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.320 but like we we can't do a fun little life people. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.760 And then all the other women that have their so 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:16.800 like I understand what I'm gonna I'm gonna just say 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:21.359 that from my perspective, I wasn't trying to be seductive, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.120 Like I think that's a little crazy if I'm holding 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.479 a Bible and then trying to be seductive with the Bible. Okay, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.320 So I was not trying to be seductive. I was 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.800 just trying to do a TikTok and it came off 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.600 that way. So yeah, sorry, if I am, you don't 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.280 even need to say sorry. I don't even realize it. 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.480 But that's what happened because I was not trying to 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:48.520 seduce you with the Bible that they're like it's CULTI 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.200 seducing like the superdic. I cannot even speaking of the Bible. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.120 I mean, you're you obviously have amazing faith. Is that 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.200 been you know, I'm I've, I've i'll be on. It's 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:01.840 like I've I've kind of gone in and out of 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:06.120 my faith and um, and it's been such a journey 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.480 and I feel like I'm at the I'm at a 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.960 place now where I'm really really leaning in. But there's 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.720 times when I'm like, man, I'm not I should be 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.880 I should have read more or you know, or or 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.920 I missed this, And it's like, um, how to lean 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.880 in when you don't feel like you're doing perfect? And 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.920 that's where I'm like, Okay, where am I then? Because 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.320 I'm not doing it perfectly but I'm trying, and so 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:28.840 it just kind of like feels like a little bit 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.160 of a battle. Yeah. But that's the amazing thing is 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.960 God doesn't expect us to be perfect, and we're never 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.440 going to be perfect, and we're never going to get 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.120 it exactly right. And God wants us exactly where we're at. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.400 He just wants us in the thick of it. No 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.920 matter how deep you're in it, like literally in the muck, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.680 or no matter how great things are in your life, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.720 God wants you right where you're at, and you can't 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.160 be too deep into it where he doesn't want you. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.920 That is not who God is. That is not the 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:05.760 God of the Bible. God wants everybody wants. He wants 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.000 you to know him, and all you have to do 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.239 is ask and pray to him and ask for it 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.600 and read his word, because that's how we know who 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.920 he is. That's why how we know his truth. Um, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.320 what everything he says. And we're not just making stuff 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.080 up in our minds that make us feel more comfortable 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.359 or we're second guessing ourselves, because this is how human 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.720 beings would react if I really we're a horrible person. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.800 Nobody would forgive me if I did this. But God 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:42.920 is not that. God's so much bigger than all of us. So, um, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.560 if you're leaning like, let me encourage you to lean 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.359 into it. You can't do anything wrong that God's going 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.840 to push you away. He just won't because the Bible says, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.359 so when you're when you're in a bad place, is 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.560 there a passage that you go to um and and 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:03.240 reread over and over? H you know, I mean one 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.479 of them is is Philippians four thirteen, which is I 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.000 can do all things through God, who gives me strength, 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.600 because I know in my my own life I don't. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.960 I don't always have the strength. I mean I rarely 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.679 have the strength, especially when you're so desperate in a 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.920 place where you feel hopeless or torn, or that you're 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:33.800 nobody's listening or there's just no alternate path. But God 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.800 says no, his word tells me I can do all 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.800 things through his strength. I don't need to rely on 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:42.840 my own I don't need to have enough. I don't 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:47.080 need to like muster up some wonder woman within myself. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.080 I'm like, no, it's just God. I can trust on 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:55.399 him and depend on him, and so um rereading scripture 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:00.720 and renewing my mind to focus on his word and 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.920 the hope that he gives helps me get through just 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:08.040 about everything. I love that. Yeah, I really like that. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.919 How do you how do you deal with um the criticism? 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:13.760 I remember watching you on the view and just being 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.439 like I wanted to slap all the other girls up 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.040 there because I'm like, because I you know, I was 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.840 just I was. I was on your your side, I guess, 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.879 and and things you were speaking on and saying and 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.800 it was just you had you held yourself with so 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.320 much grace and I and even beyond that show, I mean, 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.240 just like with people's comments like how does does that? 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.080 I mean, obviously things affect people, but like how do 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:43.400 you not let it um become turmoil in your life? Honestly, 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.120 I I feel like that's just part of my God 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.600 given nature. I feel like God and maybe because I 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.160 had children in my twenties, you know, it's like God, 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.440 God gave me a lot of patience and it's tested 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:59.160 all the time. But I've had a lot of time 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:03.080 to practice my patience and it's not it's not great 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:04.800 every day. Trust me. I had a run in at 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.439 the airport a couple of days ago and I just 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.160 got lost it. Oh my god, what happened? I missed 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.680 my flight. It was my fault. I missed my fight. 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.960 But I I just couldn't handle the woman at the 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.760 counter having no sympathy or saying like oh, sorry, honey, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.840 you're three minutes late. She was just rude about it, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.920 and so which again, I take, I take the blank board. 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.800 It was my fault. But you just want someone to 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.359 have a little bit of empathetic compassion for you, of like, 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:35.840 and she was just like, no, it moved to get 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.440 moved to the side. You missed your fight, your three 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:43.920 minutes late, can't check your banks. I was got very angry, 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.520 but I didn't say anything bad to her. I just 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.399 like I walked away. But then I called my husband 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.760 and I used language that I never used, and he 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.000 was like, what just happened to you? And I was like, 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.360 I I want to punch someone right now, which I'm 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.960 not going to. So I'm using I'm throwing some bad 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.040 language around because this is how I'm getting my aggression out. Yeah, 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.560 good for you, and God still loves you. It's okay. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.320 I'm like people say to me, They're like, you can't swear. 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.520 I'm like, no, God's God's my God swears, My God swears. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.199 He says, it's fine. Um, okay. So we both have 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.200 young daughters. So is there a piece of advice because 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.200 you have you know your daughter, she's which by the way, 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.720 that photo of you too, like twins. You guys both 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.600 just gorgeous. Um, what's a What's something that I should 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.840 because I fear the and Emmy is almost at that 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.520 age that I get scared of, like between like ten 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.119 and like my daughter is almost six, and then I 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.800 have a nine and five year old. So yeah, so 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.560 I'm like, but I get scared between the like ten 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:49.679 and like thirteen. I'm like, oh man, I feel like 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.720 me and Jolie are just going to be like butting heads. 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.920 But is there something like a piece of advice that 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.359 like if you could have gone back, like you wish 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.920 you were, did this or something that I could help 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:04.000 us along that path with the girls. Well, here's the thing. 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.920 I have a very clear worldview, so I know what 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.800 I wanted to teach my children, which in my worldview 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:16.119 is a biblical worldview. So those were very under important 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.879 things for me to understand as a mom as to 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:22.760 what I'm going to teach and my children and what 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.040 those boundaries are in their life. And so if it 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:31.160 ever came down to, well, Mom, why why they're doing that, 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:33.880 that person is doing that, why can't I do that? 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:38.600 And it's because because scripture says so because the Bible 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:42.000 says so, because God says so, and so that, um, 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.119 that was important to me. But of course everyone has 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:49.680