1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in third hour of Clay and Buck. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Just Buck Today Clay taking a day to do important 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: stuff up in Michigan. Our friend Carol Markowitz joins us now. 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 2: She is on the Clay and Buck podcast network with 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: The Carol Markowitz Show. Also, she teams up with Mary 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: Catherine ham On normally, and normally she would be making 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: jokes at Clay's expense about football and the Tennessee Titans. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: But Carol, I must warn you in advance. They will 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: go over my head like a football pass meant for 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: a receiver that he cannot catch. I have no idea 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: what is going on, but if you say something, maybe 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: Clay is listening and so he'll catch it. 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: Well, I think he knows what I'm going to say, 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: so I'll just keep it at that. But I actually 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: love that you're not super into sports. There's something very, 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: very charming about that. 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Thank you. My wife appreciates that. 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: On Sundays, like we just generally hang out and always 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: says to me, she goes, you know, you don't watch 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: sports all day, and I like that, So I feel 22 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: like I get some some bonus points from her on 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: that one. 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I'll take it. 25 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: I'll take them where I can get them. 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: And turned it into a family day, so you. 27 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, that's a that's a good bit of do. 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: Look, I used to watch football to be to be 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: totally clear on this, I used to watch football when 30 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: I lived at home with my dad and my brothers, 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: so I I watched in the early two I aesus 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: used to watch a lot of basketball with them, but 33 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: that was like family together, right, So that to me 34 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: is a fun way to do it. But for me 35 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: just watching alone because Carrie doesn't like watching sports on 36 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: TV and so it doesn't really have the same residence 37 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: for me. So anyway, play will be back. You can 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: talk football with him when he is very excited for 39 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: that one. Jimmy Kimmel, speaking of things, I don't watch 40 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel. Well, I guess nobody's watching right now. But 41 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: he's running to run into some trouble. What do you 42 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: make of all the hubbub around this, all all the hullabaloo. 43 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: People are upset. They're saying, oh my gosh, kay still culture, 44 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, Brian Stelter is, you know, getting he's getting 45 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: a melt out about it, very sad. Yeah, you know. 46 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: I think that a lot of this is that conservatives 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: have been correctly feeling a lot of rage and sadness 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: since the Charlie Kirk assassination, and the left has been 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: kind of quiet because they know that it was a 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: leftist responsible and they know that, you know, their side 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: is continuing to behave in a very violent fashion and 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: nobody's stopping it and nobody's slowing it down. So they 53 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: finally found something that they could rally around, like, oh, 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: getting rid of Jimmy Kimmel is the greatest First Amendment 55 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: violation ever, when, of course it has nothing to do 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: with the First Amendment, and it's because he lied on 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: television and his bosses asked him to apologize and he 58 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: refused to. And that's what happened to any of us. 59 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: If we lied on our show and our bosses told 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 3: us to apologize and we didn't, we'd be out of 61 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: a show too. 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 4: Well. 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: I just to me, this is so straightforward, and yet 64 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I the way people talk about this, and I understand 65 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: their motivations for it. I also think a big part 66 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: of it is they just they need to get their 67 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: own side to not be talking about their reaction to 68 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's assassination anymore, because getting it's worse than every 69 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: day that passes and there's still some maniac saying something 70 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: horrible about Charlie's death. That shows what these people are 71 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: really like and what they really think. You know, the normies, 72 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: you know, you do that show normally, the normies are 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: not liking this, They're not liking what they're seeing. But 74 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: I also just feel like, what would the what would 75 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: the rules be, Carol? In a world where Jimmy Kimmel 76 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: gets his way? So does that mean he can just 77 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: say absolutely anything and he can't be fired? Like, I 78 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: don't understand what the outer limits are supposed to. 79 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: Be, right, absolutely, you know. In twenty twenty one, Brian Stelter, 80 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: when CNN was trying to go after Fox uses cable carriers, 81 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: he said, reducing a liar's reach is not the same 82 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: as censoring freedom of speech. 83 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Oh we played that in the first hour just so 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: you know. 85 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: Reach. Yeah, I mean that is a classic, a classic 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: Brian stelterism because obviously it didn't matter then, it didn't 87 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: matter at all. What the freedom of speech guidelines were. 88 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. 89 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: The thing is that Jimmy Kimmel has for so many 90 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: years had that free reign. He's blamed Republicans for mass shootings, 91 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: and he didn't mean like Republican politicians. He specifically said 92 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: Republican voters. He has said so many vile and disgusting things, 93 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: and he's so deeply unfunny. But I think that his 94 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: ratings continue to decrease. I think that they just decided 95 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: now is a good time to get rid of him. 96 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: And if he refuses to apologize, refuses to kind of 97 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: talk to the audience that they're trying to reach, they 98 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: don't need him. 99 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: And yet if you saw Stephen Colbert, he says that 100 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: we are all Jimmy Kimmel, to which I just have 101 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: to say, no, only those two clowns. 102 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel like Jimmy kim li att all. 103 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: I definitely try to tell my audience the truth, and 104 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: I think that that's something that he specifically was not doing. 105 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: He was lying to his audience on purpose. He knew 106 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: that the shooter of Charlie Kirk wasn't a leftist by 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: the time that he said that it was I'm sorry 108 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: it was a leftist. By the time he said that 109 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: MAGA was trying to pretend that it wasn't a MAGA 110 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: person who shot Charlie, it was already days and days 111 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: into it when we all knew the reality of it. 112 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: He was spreading a conspiracy theory on his show. I'm 113 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: completely glad that he got in trouble for it, because 114 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: that's the right thing to do, and this idea that 115 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: the SEC was trying to, you know, get rid of him. 116 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: They warned the network, sure, because he lied, but other 117 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: than that, they didn't really do anything to move him 118 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: out of his job or do anything like that. That 119 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: was Disney, that was ABC. That that was them deciding 120 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: to make that call. 121 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: Yes, And as i A noted on the show yesterday, Carol, 122 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court made it very clear that unless you 123 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 2: can prove a direct like causal effect from the private 124 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: of the private company or private entity in result resulting 125 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: from the government pressure and a government action to cause. 126 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: It, they don't really care. 127 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: They're like, they're like, you know, if the government just says, hey, 128 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: we'd like you to do this, and you choose to 129 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 2: do it, and now, look, I'm not sure I agree 130 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: with that Supreme Court decision. I'm just saying that's the 131 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: law of the land. That's what they decided. So those 132 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: are the rules that we're operating under right now. We're 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: speaking to Carol Markets everybody. She of course does the 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: Caral Markets Show, which is fantastic. 135 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: And you can listen to it on the Clay and 136 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: Buck podcast network. 137 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: And you know, I think Carol, as we're seeing this 138 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: continue to play out, there's been a big change in 139 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: the overall corporate response mechanism to what is you know, 140 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: would used to get what they used to be able 141 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: to get away with as as a part is in 142 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: Democrat on TV, and what I think is going to 143 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: be possible for them, at least in the foreseeable future 144 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: is different. 145 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: And I think this is a good thing. I think 146 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: we should all celebrate this. 147 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: Like anybody who sees a problem with this, I feel 148 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: like I've been fighting for this for fifteen years. 149 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's been a major vibe shift since Trump 150 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: was reelected, and it's good. It's good for all of 151 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: us to be involved in culture. I can't remember the 152 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: last time that I watched network TV. Maybe something be 153 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: back at some point, Maybe something brings a lot of 154 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: conservatives back at some point, you know, the idea that 155 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: half the country is being alienated by what your host 156 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 3: is saying. That's a real problem for these networks. And 157 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: for so long they didn't care because you know, the 158 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: mission mattered more than anything else. But eventually at the 159 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: bottom line starts to matter, and there's more outlets, more podcasters, 160 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: more different you know, personalities go to YouTube and et 161 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: cetera and other places. They're going to have to fight 162 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: for audience share, and the way to do that is 163 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: not to insult and lie to your audience and have 164 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: half the country hate you. And the truth is that 165 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel has been this and Stephen Colbert very part 166 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: is deeply unfunny, nothing good about their delivery at all. 167 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: They're both just there to send a leftist message, and 168 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: it's one that has managed to reduce their audience side. 169 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: The networks just simply can't have that anymore. 170 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: You know, Carol, you're one of my Carol's a good 171 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: friend of mine. I think a lot of you listening 172 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: know that you've seen photos of us online and stuff. 173 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: You know, Carol's husband and my wife and we all 174 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: hang out and go to dinner, so we know each 175 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: other on a personal level, and you're one of my 176 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: parent gurus, right, Like, I'll ask you about parent stuff 177 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: because I think you are a totally devoted mom, and 178 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: it's true devoted. She's had to calm me down about 179 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: the whole babysitter thing where I'm like, I'm going to 180 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: trust somebody else, like I would do anything for my son, 181 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: but like I'm gonna trust somebody else to watch my 182 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: She's like, it's okay, it's okay. You know, it's a 183 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: good person, good referrals. You can leave the baby for 184 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: a couple of hours, so that's been very helpful. I 185 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: appreciate that I've gotten good at you know, the bottles 186 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 2: and the diaper chain all this, like you know my 187 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: my baby. 188 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: My baby. 189 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: Dad skills are pretty solid. But I wanted to ask 190 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: you about this part of it because I think this 191 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: applies to a lot of the people listening online stuff 192 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: with kids these days. 193 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, how you've got. 194 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: Two boys and a girl. You can tell everybody their ages. 195 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: I roughly know they're like young teens, right, but how 196 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: do you keep your kids? 197 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. 198 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: I'll say, like not just safe on the Internet from 199 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: you know, the bad people who are out there, but 200 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: I mean from the influences on the internet, like how 201 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: do you monitor? That's what's the game plan. 202 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: We have a lot of very open conversations about our 203 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: values and that kind of thing. That's huge tuss But 204 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: on a practical level, they're not allowed to be on 205 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: TikTok at all. I have fifteen, twelve, and nine, and 206 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: I would tell you that the nine year old is 207 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: actually most interested. He wants to be on TikTok. He 208 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 3: wants to see the videos and all of that. He's 209 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: also my girl crazy one, which is you know, I'm 210 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: gonna have to watch him real closely, so you know, 211 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: it really depends on the kids. My older two, I 212 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: would say, are more like super nerdy, and the stuff 213 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: that they're following and watching is I consider pretty safe. Nevertheless, 214 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: we do limit and if we find that they're not, 215 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, following our rules, which we haven't found yet, 216 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: they would get cut off from all Internet usage. So 217 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: we don't play in our household. But I would say 218 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: that in open links communication, make sure that you're telling 219 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: your kids about the dangers. They're not all out of 220 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: chat with anybody in any game. I don't care if 221 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: even like, you know, a look behind you, somebody's coming 222 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: chatting aloud. 223 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: Which wait, do you Carol, you're breaking up. You're breaking 224 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: up a little bit there. 225 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: But I just so if you can try to get 226 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: uh you know, get to a better spot, just to 227 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: the connection. But in the meantime, were you familiar with 228 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: this twitch thing? I had kind of heard about it before, 229 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: and and now I'm hearing that there's huge ecosystems of 230 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: young people online, like massive, hundreds of thousands of them 231 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: will watch people playing video games and talk to each other. 232 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know about this. 233 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is huge. I've heard about it before. 234 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: It is scary because obviously they could talk to anyone, 235 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: which is again you have to have rules. Be the parent, 236 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: parent your children and don't listen to what you know 237 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: anybody else is telling you, like, oh all the kids 238 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: do this, It's okay, everybody's on this. Nor your kids. 239 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: Your rules and keep those rules tight. My kids are 240 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: not talk not a lot of talking any strangers at 241 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: all online. You have to maintain that for your kids. 242 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: I think that's a very I mean, that's a very 243 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: good place to start. What do you think about about 244 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: the smartphone, like when when do they get a do 245 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: you have sort of teared, you know, phone access for 246 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: when they get a full scale smartphone or you know, 247 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: because I think they have some that are like limited. Again, 248 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 2: I'm still in the bottles and diaper face, so this 249 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: is a little early for me. But for the people 250 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: listening with kids who are twelve or you know, eleven, like, 251 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: when how do. 252 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: You do that? 253 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: You really you have to judge the kids for themselves, 254 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: because again my fifteen and twelve year olds, like I 255 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: have trusted them with phones when they were like five 256 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: or six, but my nine year old has to be 257 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: monitored and you have to know your kid. So I 258 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: would say, do it from whatever age feels right to 259 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: you with your individual kid. So the other thing I'd 260 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: just add is a lot of times people talk to 261 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: me about losing their kids once they go to college. 262 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: To left his ideology, Tell your kids your values, tell them, 263 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: say the words, tell them what you want them to think, 264 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 3: tell them how you think. Explain to them what your 265 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: family believes in. There's nothing wrong with that. I think 266 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: a lot of people on the right don't think that 267 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: they should be kind of convincing their kids different opinions. 268 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: My opinions are the right ones. That's what I want 269 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: my kids to understand. I want them to take those 270 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: opinions and have them as their own. 271 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I totally hear that. 272 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: I mean people ask me, like you went to Amherstbuck 273 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: twenty years ago, like how did you come out? 274 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: Because I was like, I showed up. So I was like, 275 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: these people are all nuts. It wasn't. 276 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't some hard thing for me. I was like 277 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 2: my mom and dad taught me. Well, I looked around, 278 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: like these people are living in a fantasy land. So 279 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: Daryl Mark, what's everybody parenting guru and podcast host? 280 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: And when's the next normally episode? 281 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: Normally it comes out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Anywhere you 282 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: get your podcasts, Carol Mark, which show Wednesdays and Fridays. 283 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: There you go go check it out, Carol. This great stuff. 284 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 5: Carol. 285 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: Give Shy a big hug hug for me. Good to 286 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: see you or good. 287 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: To talk to you. Thanks. 288 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: Thanks. 289 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: All right, Look, we're talking about keeping your kids safe. 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We've 333 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: got a ee on the talkback here. From Mississippi. 334 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: Play it, Hey, Buck with Christie's single. I don't know, 335 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Mississippi would be great. 336 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: I think I think this guy, Christy, our caller from Utah. 337 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: I think this guy wants to know of your signal. 338 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: That's one of the first times that's happened here. 339 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 340 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: I don't know how many love connections we have made 341 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: on the Clay and bucksho when it was the Buck 342 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: Sexton Show I was doing solo years ago, there were 343 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: there was a marriage that happened among the audience. This 344 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: is a real thing, very proud of it, very proud 345 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: of it. So sometimes people are brought together by shared interest, 346 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: including shared interest in audio. But I don't think we've 347 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: ever I don't know. That's an component of this that 348 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: we've never done is matchmaking among the patriots in our audience. 349 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: We have what do we have here? 350 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 5: Oh? 351 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: Yes, an email in from Well, I'll read you what 352 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: it says from Gary. I'm a retired psychiatrist. In the 353 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: late nineteen seventies, if you wanted to transition sexes, you 354 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: had to live as the opposite gender for two years 355 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: and have two years of psychotherapy before any medical professional 356 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: would give you hormones or consider any surgery. By twenty fifteen, 357 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: I had kids with their parents come into my office 358 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: who had simply gone to an endro endocrinologist and said 359 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: they wanted hormones and got them without any questions. Nothing 360 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: against Caitlyn Jenner, but that changed everything. Kids who were 361 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: probably only homosexual became convinced they needed a sex change. 362 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you're the doc. 363 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: But that tracks with everything that I've read and heard 364 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: about on this issue, which is that they have just 365 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: completely without any explanation or data to support any of this, 366 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: just because of the emotions of the left wing movement 367 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: on it. They have changed all the rules, they've changed 368 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: all the terminology, they've changed everything. And there's that famous 369 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: case of the or instance of the long time head 370 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: of the Johns Hopkins Gender Transition Surgery Center, and he 371 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: had written, I think the Wall Street Journal in other places, 372 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: an older guy, and he had just said, look, the surgeries, 373 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: the long term outcomes, it's really long term outcomes are 374 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: really bad, and this is not a good thing. 375 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: And he of course got death. 376 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: Threats and had to like not be in public anymore 377 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: because he was telling people the truth. So I think 378 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: that tells you a lot right there. 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Go to Well Rather dial 395 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: dial pound two five zero and say the keywords clay 396 00:18:50,880 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: and Buck. We have some Oh boy, AOC. AOC has 397 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: decided she's going to weigh in on the legacy of 398 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, and I was saying before that she thinks 399 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: she's going to run. I think she is going to run, 400 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: and she is a leftist. To be a real leftist 401 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: in America, you have to be somewhat delusional or entirely delusional. 402 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: You have to be ignorant of history. You have to 403 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: be hypocritical, you have to be childish in your view 404 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: of the world around you. You have to be emotionally driven. 405 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: There are preconditions to be a leftist in America today. 406 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: And that's why if I know that somebody is a leftist, 407 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: I can already know all these things about them, one 408 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: and the other. They always go together, the characteristics and 409 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 2: the political affiliation. And AOC is a perfect example of this. 410 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: And maybe she's the pinnacle of this in many ways. 411 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: But instead of grace, instead of oh, I don't know, 412 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: just basic respect, she when she speaks about the recently 413 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: assassinated Charlie Kirk, had this to say Play twenty one. 414 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 4: His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to 415 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 4: disenfranchise millions of Americans far from the working quote working 416 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 4: tirelessly to promote unity unquote asserted by the majority in 417 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: this resolution, it is equally important that Congress does unite 418 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 4: to reject the government's attempt to weaponize this moment into 419 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: an all out assault on free speech across the country, 420 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: all in the name of Charlie Kirk. 421 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 2: So, yeah, the House and the Senate have approved a 422 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: resolution to honor Charlie Kirk, and this has gone to 423 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: a It's a ceremonial measure, something that Charlie clearly deserves, 424 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: and I'm glad that they're doing it. But Democrats are 425 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: standing against it. Although one hundred rankinfiled Democrats joined, so 426 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: there's that there are some Democrats that went along with it. 427 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: Three fifty eight on that one. AOC, it seems, has 428 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: a problem with it. Notice the words that she chooses 429 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: to use here as saying things like he is well, 430 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: first of all, uneducated and ignorant. 431 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: It's one thing to disagree with. 432 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: Charlie, put to suggest that he is uneducated on politics 433 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: is to announce the stupidity of the person making the claim. 434 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: He clearly no matter. 435 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: What you think of his uh positions, and obviously I 436 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: agree with this positions you. But I just mean, if 437 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: we're trying to look at this from an objective reality, 438 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: this is a guy who knew politics and history and 439 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: at a very impressive level. And that's coming from a 440 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: guy who also honestly knows those things at a pretty 441 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: high level. So I think I know what I'm talking about. 442 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: He was very skilled, uh in those areas. And what's 443 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: even more. 444 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: Galling I think about this is AOC is not you know, 445 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: this is like a junior high school basketball player. 446 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: Saying that this guy who was in the NBA can't 447 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: shoot one. Is way out of depth on this. 448 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: Now. I understand AOC also very famous social media personality, 449 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: but she's talking about education level and she's talking about ignorance. Remember, 450 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: ignorance would be you don't know, you don't know the things. 451 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: It's not that you're choosing the wrong formulation or ignorance 452 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: is different than wisdom. Ignorance is you're just well, you're ignorant. 453 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: You don't even know what you don't know. 454 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: To say that. 455 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: Charlie is ignorant is the kind of criticism you could 456 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: only make about him if you knew nothing about him, 457 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: which maybe that's true of AOC. Or you're just a 458 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: brainless demagogue, which is definitely true of AOC. And then 459 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: she says to disenfranchise people, this is one of these words. 460 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: You know, whenever you hear that, you should remember this. 461 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: It's not like Charlie was. 462 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 2: You know, she doesn't mean that just in the context 463 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: of like voting rights issues. But they try to hijack 464 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: the language of the great moral peak, if you will, 465 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: of the Democrat Party today is still supposed to be 466 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: the civil rights movie, even though that's totally rewritten. I know, 467 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: the Democrats of the Party of slavery and segregation and 468 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: Jim Crow, and you know, Eisenhower was the one who 469 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: actually moved first to do some of the biggest things 470 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: in civil rights, and he was a Republican. So but 471 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: just we'll forget it, but forget about that debate for 472 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: a second, because we could do that all We could 473 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: do that all day. She says, disenfranchised because it is 474 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: meant to evoke certain feelings of revulsion from the Democrats 475 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: listening and moral superiority. 476 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: For he's disenfranchising people. 477 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: But even more than that, how and think about this, 478 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 2: She's claiming he's disenfranchising people when his primary vehicle for 479 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: reaching the public was inviting people onto a stage, onto 480 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: a platform with him for that exchange of ideas. In fact, 481 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: what Charlie was doing was offering to enfranchise anybody who 482 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: was willing to come up to a microphone, and the 483 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: left killed him for it. 484 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: But that is what he was doing. 485 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: Saying, let's have this disbate, let's have this debate, let's 486 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 2: have this discussion. He didn't call people names, he didn't 487 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 2: curse it them, he didn't none of that. Let's just 488 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: talk about this and let's see if the best ideas 489 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: can win. And you know, even if the best ideas 490 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: don't win, it's a good thing to have spent the 491 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: time to hear the other side. 492 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: You know. 493 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing. 494 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: That you learn pretty quickly in a marriage, and you know, 495 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I've learned this too, is that it's not 496 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: always about who's right. In fact, a lot of the 497 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: time it's not really about who's right in a marriage. 498 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: It's about the willingness to hear each other out and 499 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: do so with respect, and the closeness and there and 500 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: the trust that that process brings. Right, I don't need 501 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: my wife and hopefully she doesn't need me to always 502 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: say you know, you're right, I'm right, who's right? 503 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's not let's talk. Let's talk about this. 504 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: And then that alone, if it's done the right way, 505 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: is helpful, and I mean, I think that there's some 506 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: truth to that in politics as well. 507 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: Not politics is not the same as a. 508 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: Marriage, but it's not always about getting the end results 509 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: you want. Just going through that process and respecting that 510 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: process can be a very positive thing. It creates trust, 511 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 2: It creates open lines of communication, It creates a sense 512 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: that we have a forum to address this and other 513 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: things as I of course that forum in the case 514 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: of Charlie was stolen from us by a psycho murderer, 515 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: but it was very powerful to have that. It was 516 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: very powerful to have a place where people could go 517 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 2: and be heard, and I think for a lot of them, 518 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: and there weren't people that spoke out, even who disagreed 519 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: with Charlie, who were students and such, who said, you know, 520 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: I respected that he was willing to do that. You know, 521 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: it's it's been the case for a long time that 522 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: these campus speeches. I wanted to say this earlier, so 523 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 2: I'm going to just put a pin in what I 524 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: was about to say because we're running. I'm running out 525 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: of show and I have about three hours more show 526 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: in my head to do. 527 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: Don't worry. 528 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: I'm not going to put it all on your plate today. 529 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: But why is it that if I asked any of 530 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: you to show me a in the last I would 531 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: go so far as to say, the last twenty years, 532 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: show me a left wing speaker who has been subjected 533 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: to serious threats, violence and intimidation on the college campus 534 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: anywhere in America. 535 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: None of us could come up with one off the 536 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: top of our hands. None of us could come up 537 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: with one. 538 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: And why is it that if even the most vile 539 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: and men are there's some vile left wingers out there, 540 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: the most vile, incendiary, you know, race baiting, communists, lunatic, 541 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: somebody that AOC would think is fantastic. By the way, 542 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 2: why is it that that person could go speak? Not 543 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: only at any college, that person could go, not that 544 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: I don't think they would. It's one thing to platform somebody, 545 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: I want to be clear, and that's not always. You know, 546 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: you shouldn't invite you know, you shouldn't invite Osama bin 547 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: Laden to come speak at your university. He's dead, So 548 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying, right, I'm not saying disinvite anybody, 549 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: but I can tell you this, if there was somebody 550 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 2: who had very who was necessary for the conversation. Let's say, oh, here, 551 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: irre perfect example, an irreperfect example. If Katangie Brown Jackson 552 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 2: was invited to speak at Hillsdale College, why is it 553 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: that we all know and by the way, maybe she, 554 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: I mean she very well could be Supreme Court justice. 555 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: So that that's why I didn't want to say some 556 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: crazy left winger and somebody says, well, they would never 557 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: be invited. Catanji Brown Jackson could be invited to speak 558 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: at at Hillsdale College and would know that she would 559 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: be treated, that she would be treated with respect, that 560 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: she would be able to speak, that they wouldn't try 561 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: to drown her out, That there wouldn't be people, you know, 562 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: dressed up outside and you know, animal costumes and banging 563 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: drums and. 564 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: Doing all kinds of crazy stuff to create a you know, 565 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: that wouldn't happen. There would be respect offered. 566 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: Now, Hillsdale's a conservative and traditional college. So I just 567 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: but that we all know that, you know it and 568 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: I know it. And yet, for example, I went to 569 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: Amherst and Justice Scalia. When I was there spoke. I 570 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: know this is a while ago, but it. 571 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: Was a zoo. Oh my gosh, people in the political. 572 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: Science department boycotted it and the professor and everything and 573 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: oh and people were, you know, banging cow bells. 574 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: And it was a total just madness. This is not 575 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: a both sides thing. 576 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: They embraced this because it's who they are fundamentally. This 577 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: is what the left, this is what the Democrat Party 578 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: has become. And that's why you run through these examples 579 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: in your head and you go hold. 580 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: On a second. 581 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: By the way, there are people that were dressed up 582 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: at that at that remember at the Scalia speech, who 583 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: were in duck costumes because the big scandal of the 584 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: day some remember, was that Scalia had gone duck hunting 585 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: with Dick Cheney at some some ranch or something somewhere, 586 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: and so that was a schedule they did just they 587 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: were both there. They both went duck hunting, and that 588 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 2: was a big scandal. So there was people in duck 589 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: costumes outside, like, but this is the. 590 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Stuff that they do. 591 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: It is our cultures, the right and the left in 592 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: this country. The political cultures are different. And we need 593 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: to be very clear on this. Yes we know, but 594 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: we can't allow them to pretend that this is something 595 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: that we both have to work. 596 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: On or No. 597 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: No, we are the ones who do things with some 598 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: respect and civility and they simply do not. And that's 599 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: why when AOC is saying something like, Charlie Kirk is, 600 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: you know, ignorant and uneducated? 601 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: Okay, like on what also? 602 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: I know some of you already thinking this, if there 603 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: would be such a thing as a mercy rule in 604 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 2: a debate, if we could have had Charlie and AOC 605 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: on a stage together, first of all, it would have 606 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: been amazing viewing. I mean I would have been there 607 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: with the popcorn and thing, and it would have been 608 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 2: an absolute butt kicking. And we all know that, and 609 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 2: I think AOC even knows that. 610 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: So for him to. 611 00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: Call Charlie for her rather to call Charlie ignorant and uneducated, 612 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: is is just so there's so much hutzpa there, there's 613 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: so much dishonesty there, and I just I just couldn't 614 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: let it, couldn't let it go. And she is going 615 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: to be the standard bearer for the Democrats, for a 616 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: big part of the Democrats going forward. This is what 617 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: we are going to be up again, So get ready 618 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: for it. 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We're going to be doing 683 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: more and more cool videos and things for YouTube in 684 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: the year ahead, and yeah, we're gonna have all kinds 685 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:28,959 Speaker 2: of fun. 686 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: Stuff going on. Jerrell in in Los Angeles. What's going on? Buck? 687 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 5: I am a real life couch streamer and you didn't 688 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 5: leave me a lot of time, but I was calling 689 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 5: to tell you how it works. So basically, it's kind 690 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 5: of like YouTube, but live action. So I, as a streamer, 691 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 5: can have a channel where I go on live and 692 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 5: a lot of people play video games, but some people 693 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 5: use it for other activities. There are some professional Dungeons 694 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 5: and Dragons players on there who like stream their games. 695 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 5: There are people who even show their knitting. There are 696 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 5: people who just get on the chats and whatever, and 697 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 5: so as a viewer, you can go on and communicate 698 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 5: with other viewers in the chat if I, as the presenter, 699 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: have left the chat option on. But it's not quite 700 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 5: It's not quite like everyone can just talk to everyone else. 701 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 5: It's more of a present presentation where I am presenting 702 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 5: my content and then everyone can watch and they can 703 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 5: interact with each other and me and the chat and 704 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 5: leave comments in that kind of thing. 705 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: I like video games, what I like Twitch? 706 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, you totally would if you enjoy watching other people play. 707 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 5: Can I plug my channels? 708 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,959 Speaker 1: Sure? Because you're closing up ahead? Nope, Nope, I don't sleep. 709 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: I tried on the front lines of truth.