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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. Man,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 1: Sarah James with us has been an enthusiastic lucid dreamer

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Speaker 1: since childhood. She is a writer, public speaker, sleep hypnosis

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Speaker 1: workshop facilitator. She runs the Explorers Egyptology and online lecture

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Speaker 1: series and that she does that with carl Aiden Smith,

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Speaker 1: operating the seventh ray of virtual Reality Mystery School. She's

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Speaker 1: the producer and co host of the Anthony Peak Consciousness

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Speaker 1: Our podcast, and Sarah is currently working with Rupert Sheldrake

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Speaker 1: and the British Pilgrimage Trust to reinvigorate the practice of

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Speaker 1: dream incubation at Sacred Site. Sarah, welcome to the program,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to this. Thank you so much for having me,

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Speaker 1: George and our things in the United Kingdom. Well, it

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Speaker 1: is about eight thirty here this morning, and my daughter

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Speaker 1: is getting ready for school, and the bid men were

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Speaker 1: live on the seaside in Hastings, so you might be

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Speaker 1: able to hear some seagulls in the background. Well, that

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Speaker 1: will be great. How did you get interested in dreams.

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Speaker 1: How did these all start for you? I've always been

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Speaker 1: So it was always just a sort of natural thing

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Speaker 1: I think I always had them from being quite young.

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Speaker 1: I remember distinctly a dream from primary school where I

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Speaker 1: have this sort of sense of ecstasy and bliss in

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Speaker 1: think that was my main reason for being so fascinated

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing was I have this idea

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Speaker 1: So she's a personification of memory, remembrance, eloquence, eruditeness. She's

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Speaker 1: We're talking about her book Initiation and the Dream Mystery.

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Speaker 1: healing as well, and later associated the sun. And so

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Speaker 1: my thinking about the potential for healing in the lucid

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Speaker 1: entanglement between mind and body during lucid episodes, and if

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Speaker 1: in particular these feelings of ecstasy and bliss during sleep,

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Speaker 1: on drue wakefulness, which are associated with the process of homeostatus.

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Speaker 1: So this is the natural process of rebalancing of detoxification,

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Speaker 1: which are basically the things that help our body heal

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Speaker 1: and recalibrate every night. So if you think that during

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Speaker 1: the Asclepia, you might have Asclepius performing some sort of

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Speaker 1: physically impossible operation on you, like if you're suffering from headaches,

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Speaker 1: these dream events you're experience in them, if they're really real,

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Speaker 1: your body may respond to a greater or letters agree

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Speaker 1: that placebo effect works. We know that a faith healing

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Speaker 1: And obviously there can be very sort of well established

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Speaker 1: I mean these sleep sanctuaries were like beautiful spars, you know.

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Speaker 1: I often described Escapius as being a kind of precursor

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Speaker 1: to whim Halfield was really into cold water bathing, boosting

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Speaker 1: So I think that the sleep sanctuary gave you that

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Speaker 1: When we have recurring dreams, the same dream over and

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Speaker 1: we have some kind of issue that we haven't resolved.

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Speaker 1: And one of the best ways of dealing with this

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Speaker 1: process of writing. It is the process remembering a dream.

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Speaker 1: And as in the ancient dream interpretation, you see so

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Speaker 1: these other layers of meaning that you might miss otherwise.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating the dream stated and our most dreams were

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think of the human organism as being

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Speaker 1: that we're returning to a kind of primordial consciousness and

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Speaker 1: maybe a consciousness of the world or consciousness of the cosmos.

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Speaker 1: I think that this is a mystery that will probably

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