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Speaker 1: I were discussing the Needle talking about the NFL. Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: I think she's been about twelve of the Chiefs game.

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Speaker 1: They're nine to three, and it seems a lot of

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Speaker 1: NFL fans are getting upset when they panned to her,

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Speaker 1: it's about it's less than a minute altogether, maybe all

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Speaker 2: So she's been, she's been. She's been to twelve games.

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Speaker 1: If you add all the time cocumulative, it's been less

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Speaker 2: But fans are upset realizing that you only ask her.

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Speaker 1: I think someone said there was a stat that they're

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Speaker 1: girls that don't even like football, don't know anything about football,

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Speaker 1: if she likes football. I like football like Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: He wears Haynes. Mom, get me some hands, drawls. He's

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Speaker 2: That Taylor's whip. I don't know. Go ahead, what do

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Speaker 3: Now? I'm giving everybody trailer. So I don't watch pancakes move. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't watch pancakes move like most of us don't

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Speaker 3: One thing she don't do is she don't get male

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Speaker 3: I was so excited when she was out there popping

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Speaker 1: Look, I've never been to a Taylor Swift concert. In

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Speaker 2: That's all I was saying.

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Speaker 1: So it was a great conversation. I didn't know, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect it. I didn't expect it to.

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Speaker 1: But people say, well, Shannon says that she's the biggest

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Speaker 1: I said, I think she's the closest thing too, Mike,

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Speaker 2: That's just me. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: Now, maybe bring me somebody and I'm not to obviously

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the Beatles, because we.

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Speaker 1: But brings somebody that you believe that you believe generates

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Speaker 3: Yes, in the football world, they got they got something

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Speaker 3: with see her and Russell Wilson, right, No, two different

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Speaker 2: So you know, there's only a f.

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Speaker 1: Any getting with Kim Kardashian was showing up with Miles

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Speaker 2: There's only a few people. There's only a few women.

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Speaker 3: like when we thought she was dating Austin Reeves Lakers pemonium, right,

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Speaker 3: She's going to the game tonight and there that that's

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Speaker 3: that's like an open concert for us. So I understood

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Speaker 3: what what what you were saying? You know, I get it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure Taylor Swift knows the difference between

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Speaker 1: Has she ever been to a full ass you know,

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Speaker 3: So she about to win her first Super Bowl. She's

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Speaker 1: They didn't say he was LT or better than LT.

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Speaker 3: So they got to change the title to fit them.

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Speaker 3: So you know that's you know works is the game

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Speaker 1: Portland wins the game, spoils his return one nineteen to

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Speaker 2: Dame was Dame had twenty five points.

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Speaker 2: And they lose.

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Speaker 2: They make both free throws, they're down by three.

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Speaker 2: What what do you make of Dave Return? You know,

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Speaker 3: As a player, right, you're going back to the where

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Speaker 2: Your all stars are you all NBA's your family is

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Speaker 3: The game for Dame was one when he landed and

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Speaker 4: Team, right, Like you're in like you you you like?

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Speaker 2: What do you do?

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Speaker 3: Like? This is my thing with this team. Forget that

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Speaker 2: And the funny part about this, the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I saw what you call him, what's his name?

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Speaker 1: But I thought, I thought what you call him played well.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Aidon played well tonight. He got big buckets when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was surprised.

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Speaker 1: I was expecting Milwaukee to win this game, considering everybody

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's emotional going back. Like you said, you spent

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Speaker 2: Your best years.

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Speaker 1: Now, unless you win a championship, your best years are

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Speaker 2: But I thought the.

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Speaker 1: Crowd was great towards him because he's been great as

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Speaker 1: They played, they played well. Milwaukee really didn't get a

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Speaker 1: they were one hundred percent. Milwaukee shot eighteen. They are

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Speaker 1: thirteen to fifty thirteen of eighteen seventy two percent. Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. They were forty two percent. But Portland shot

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Speaker 1: shoot fifty three percent. Damn, That's what I'm saying. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you're your problem with Doc. I mean, your problem with

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Speaker 1: Adrian Grifford was no defense. But Doc's history is he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have defense. He don't have defensive schemes. Every team

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Speaker 3: That is his history, right, Yeah, he had Boston for

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Speaker 3: from there you slid defensively. Who you were in Orlando

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Speaker 3: made the team a better defensive team. You as a

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: When you went to Philly, Philly, I'm sorry, but your

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Speaker 2: Team defense, right, right?

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Speaker 3: Embiid was a defensive player, So you didn't you inherited

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Speaker 3: the right. So you going there with this defensive There's

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to point it out. There's nothing in your

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, This doesn't look well because I think there

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Speaker 1: thirty and thirteen and your five Adrian Griffin. Now, this

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Speaker 1: of base. You tell me what you want. Jason Kidd

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Speaker 1: forty three games, he's gone. Now, Doc saying that's four

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Speaker 1: coaches in about what six years?

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: So we're not gonna say anything about y'all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: joannest is above reproach.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, We're gonna say exactly what most stars

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Speaker 2: And that is the instance in this.

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Speaker 3: Right, and they don't realize that they're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: is this. He was used to playing under Adrian Griffin

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Speaker 3: The second Right, well, doc, doc ain't like that, right, Doc,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't get a rhythm. He

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Speaker 3: No, here's why the last three minutes most of the time,

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Speaker 2: Right, this is like big rid zone. You're in a penalty.

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Speaker 3: And then can imagine taking out your best running back

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Speaker 3: Wide receiver, why you're in the red zone, right, that's

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Speaker 3: what you're That's what this is. When coaches take their

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Speaker 3: Other teams are subbing in, right, which those players is cold,

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Speaker 2: So this chance where your best player can.

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Speaker 3: Take free throws because they don't file anymore. But when

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Speaker 3: they use that three minutes to get in to get.

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Speaker 2: Warm, so they don't take advantage of the three minutes anyway.

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Speaker 1: Right, So what's the what's the best case scenario for

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, the best the best thing for the Bucks right

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Speaker 3: now is like to go into the locker room and say, hey, hey, God, listen,

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Speaker 3: that guy that gave.

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Speaker 3: We fired the other dude, the dude that hadn't we

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Speaker 3: we he wasn't really a coach, but we got to win, right.

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Speaker 2: Remember one of the wins is when it didn't out coach. Wow.

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Speaker 3: So Doc Patio packed your ship, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 2: So they're o and two now with Doc, right, yeah?

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Speaker 2: H and they they they two and oh without a

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Speaker 1: So how surprised are you that a team makes a

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Speaker 2: They go completely outside. This is crazy.

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Speaker 3: This, This is this is called This is called connections.

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Speaker 3: Can't even be mad at Doc for this. This is

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Speaker 2: This is too much. This is too much pressure for Doc.

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Speaker 3: He can't even handle the pressure when he got the

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Speaker 2: Now you got to try to put in.

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Speaker 3: Plays and learn their plays right here in real time.

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Speaker 3: You go do down all three. Oh, you best believe

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Speaker 2: That's what I say that Supo wasn't a win win

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Speaker 3: Win the championship, it was like, well they were thirty

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Speaker 2: If you lose, it's your fault because.

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Speaker 1: There was thirty and thirteen before thirteen before you got there.

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Speaker 1: But help me understand this, Gil, I'm watching the game.

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Speaker 1: Why the hell y'all is run get the ball? You know,

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Speaker 1: damn well, you can't shoot no free throws. You the

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Speaker 1: You're down one, sixteen, one nineteen. What the hell you

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Speaker 3: Gi?

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Speaker 3: Because sometimes sometimes players can't get it out of their

441
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Speaker 3: own way, right, right, And I said it, I was

442
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Speaker 3: I was crucial.

443
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Speaker 2: On be honest and say right, you need to learn.

444
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 3: How to really play the game, get into the post,

445
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 3: dominate from short distance. Right, you driven ball up court,

446
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: trying to do the same right the left, ear row right,

447
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: We can see it coming from a mile away, like

448
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 3: most of your buckets are. You're trying to come downhill

449
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: right when you are slowing up, when your game slows up,

450
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: what do you have?

451
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Speaker 2: You won't have.

452
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 3: You haven't learned how to play back to the basket

453
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Speaker 3: to really be dominant.

454
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Speaker 2: So like MJ. MJ learned back to the basket when.

455
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Speaker 3: He's still at all his Yes, right, he's understood evolution. Right,

456
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 3: he understood that I'm gonna slow up at some point

457
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Speaker 3: in time.

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Speaker 2: When I do, I won't be affected by it.

459
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: Right, So he's so used to grabbing the ball going

460
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Speaker 3: full court. Does he doesn't realize, sir, this is not

461
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: your time of the game. Now, that's what you make

462
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: free throws. Who can get it done right? This is

463
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: like Shaq getting the ball and say, hey, you know,

464
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to do it myself and we're gonna file.

465
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Speaker 3: You go to the free throw like you understand this

466
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: game right, and you have to understand who's on your team.

467
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Speaker 2: You gotta understand the sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough. It was tough to watch because

469
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at him like, well.

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Speaker 2: Why are you and first of all, while you passing

471
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Speaker 2: it to it, I'm not fit to pay.

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Speaker 1: I'm not fit to give you the ball because I mean,

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Speaker 1: of all the players that were on the court, Janni's

474
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Speaker 1: would be the last guy for the Bucks that I

475
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Speaker 1: would actually think would make both of those free throws.

476
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Speaker 1: Now they file and make them go down to make

477
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Speaker 1: two more and then we got to throw the ball

478
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Speaker 1: in through the court and try to get it in.

479
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: But I'm not throwing to Jannie if the last guy

480
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Speaker 1: that's out there that I'm actually thinking it's gonna make

481
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Speaker 1: both of these free throws.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a I mean, to be honest, he

483
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: is the last guy, right, that's not your first option.

484
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: Your first option is a.

485
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Speaker 3: Guy who shoots what ninety two percent from the free

486
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Speaker 3: throw Lindon, it's the guy that you want to the ball.

487
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Speaker 2: But the problem with the Bucks, say, is really there's

488
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: nobody else you can throw the ball to because they

489
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Speaker 2: don't shoot free throws.

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Speaker 3: So most of the team, right, didn't shoot free throws

491
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: this game, and they don't want those two to be

492
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Speaker 3: the most exciting one like Middleton can't get his ass

493
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Speaker 3: to the free throw line no more, right easily just

494
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: shoot jump shots all day.

495
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Speaker 2: So for the most part, only Ding.

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Speaker 1: You only had four guys shoot free throws. Jay Crowded

497
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Speaker 1: was one for two. Yeah, Jay Crowdle was one for two,

498
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: Dame was four for four, Brook Lopanz was one for one,

499
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Speaker 1: and Giannis was seven for eleven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're jump shooting team.

501
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: They don't have nobody to get to the basket when

502
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: they need free throws, so they don't understand. Hey, listen,

503
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: if Jannis want to drive and get us in the penalty.

504
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: Once he gets into the penalty, that's when you.

505
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Speaker 3: Become shade Ah get you and still use some free throws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't really have anybody that. I mean, Brook

507
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: Lopez seven to one. But he don't play. He doesn't

508
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: play with his back to the basket. He's hovering around

509
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: the three point line. Yep, Dame. Obviously Dame is as

510
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: a guard and he's not playing with his back to

511
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Speaker 1: the basket. That's not Beasley's game, Jannis, that's not his game.

512
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Speaker 1: As you said, he's looking to get a head of

513
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Speaker 1: steam and come down here. I'm a euro step you,

514
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm a side step you, I'm a lay it up,

515
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: I'm a dunk on you. That's what I'm gonna do.

516
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: But as far as getting the block ball on the

517
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Speaker 1: block and turning around over over his shoulder, that's not

518
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Speaker 1: what he does. And he hasn't developed that aspect of

519
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: his game. And I'm thinking that's why he went down

520
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: to Houston to try to work with Elijawan to get

521
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Speaker 1: his footwork right, because he's worked Eliajouan, has worked with

522
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Speaker 1: some of the greats as far as footwork, and I

523
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Speaker 1: don't know how much of it connected with with Gianni's,

524
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like he's comfortable with it because

525
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: he's still doing I don't see anything that with some

526
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Speaker 1: of the cut ups that I saw that that Elijah Wan.

527
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Speaker 2: Was showing him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you see cobD, you see he in Kobe's game,

529
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: you see Lebron shooting that. They that that fall away.

530
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Speaker 1: But I mean Gianni's I mean, I don't know if

531
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Speaker 1: he paid him. Maybe it was like okay, But at

532
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're gonna have to trust

533
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: that what you learn, you're gonna have to put it

534
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: into effect. If you don't use it, what did you do?

535
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: What did you learn the trade? If you want a trade,

536
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Speaker 1: if you don't use it.

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Speaker 3: See, I called that out early fifty thousand, I said,

538
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Speaker 3: fifty thousand, that's a ripoff, right, it's a ripoff. You're

539
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 3: you're you're paying that much for a weekend. You're not

540
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: gonna learn anything on a weekend. Like it takes you

541
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: months to learn a skill for it to be natural

542
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 3: for you. I said, listen, Hakem is great at footwork.

543
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Speaker 3: The problem with Hakeem's footwork is he learned it playing

544
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Speaker 3: soccer at ten years old, So that means he wasn't

545
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Speaker 3: a basketball player. He just used what he had in

546
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: his brain and then you already knew basketball. So when

547
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: he does the move. It's instinct to him. He don't

548
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Speaker 3: know how to give it to them. So I said,

549
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: first before you go to hag King, you need footwork.

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00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: He can give you to move the matching footwork.

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Speaker 3: And I said, with old Schosenko's footwork, I'll rather you

552
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: pay fifty thousand dollars to go learn the ladder drill

553
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: and the footwork drill from football players or soccer players.

554
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: Then once you have independent foot and you know how

555
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: it works, then take your happy ass down to Hakeem

556
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: and learn the moves that go with this footwork. But

557
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: he's giving you a move with your footwork and it

558
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: doesn't work.

559
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is you try this shit.

560
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: The first of the game you traveled, I called it

561
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: out on you, and then the rest of the season

562
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: you went right back to what you know because that

563
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: is not part of your game.

564
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Speaker 2: You want to learn footwork. As soon as the season.

565
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: Starts is ending, you go learn for you start working

566
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Speaker 3: on that today.

567
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: That's before you get to the basketball.

568
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: Court or if you go down a lot. You want

569
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: to work on footwork. Okay, let's just say you're going

570
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: for the weekend. Now you have to implement that gil

571
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: So the whole summer while you're doing it.

572
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm doing this, I'm working on it.

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Speaker 1: It's a situation where sometimes you know we learned something

574
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: and then we think, well, okay, that's what I learned.

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00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm gon way to the game.

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00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: No, you gotta practice him before you get to the game,

577
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: because if you don't, it's kind of like the thing

578
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: with t Bow. If you go if you look at

579
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Speaker 1: t Bo when he was going to Tom House and

580
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: he's throwing gurus. He was fine until he got in

581
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: a stressful situation because the muscle, the memory will revert.

582
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Speaker 2: Back to what I feel most comfortable doing.

583
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: And so he felt as long as he was not

584
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: in the stress, he had a nice compact throw emotion,

585
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: but the moment he got stressed, he had that elongated

586
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: throw emotion. So Jannis, as long as he's comfortable, okay,

587
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: he might try to footwork, but if he get in

588
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: a stressful situation, he's gonna go back.

589
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: I gotta get downhill. Damn damn my feet, let me

590
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: let me get let me your.

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00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: Rod step or in a lot of times he charged

592
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: because he got a charge, a charge and file late

593
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: in the ball game. But you have to if whatever

594
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: you learn, you have to implement it away from the

595
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: situation which you learned it.

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00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: That's the only way it's gonna stick. Gil. Yeah.

597
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: And now, I don't know if people don't understand it,

598
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: if people understand that.

599
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: The Celtics now lead the East by five game.

600
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Speaker 1: This is the largest conference lead since two thousand and eight,

601
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: the Bucks a five game back the Knicks, or six

602
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: game back the Cavs got a monster knight from Donovan

603
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Mitchell or six and a half in Philly.

604
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: Is fadings slowly but surely.

605
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: Uh, with seven games back and with Joel and Bid

606
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: being out, we're gonna get to him a little later.

607
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna probably be might be later than that. The

608
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Sun there was another return. Kevin Durant and the Suns

609
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: travel back to Brooklyn and beat them one thirty six.

610
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Katie's returning to Brooklyn with his first since the trade.

611
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me find this game right up? Where's

612
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: this game at? Let me get the full scoreboard? You know,

613
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: I got me a little to new toy up here. Gil, No,

614
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't, I won't.

615
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: Where's this game? Man? But I don't see it? Oh?

616
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: Here it is? Okay? Yeah? Man?

617
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's real fast, Gil, It's real fast.

618
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: You know I'm up here hitting stuff. Man, Come on,

619
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Speaker 1: I don't need that.

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00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Man, do that online.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, you see me. I'm up here. Squinton. Okay,

622
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: I got it, Brooklyn, Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: Dad is the woop daddiels Daddy'll Gil daddyels Uh box

624
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: score right there. Kevin rand scores thirty three in his return.

625
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: He was ten of sixteen, eleven or twelve from the

626
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: free throw line. He was tennel sixteen and in thirty

627
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: eight minutes. Nurkic had an outstanding game. He was eleven

628
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: or fifteen, six to nine from the free throw line.

629
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: Brandley Beal was three of eight, five or six from

630
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: the free throw line. He had twelve. Devin Booker down

631
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: a seventeen four to six from three and did the

632
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Michael Bridges and you'll pay bud it.

633
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: Has twenty two points.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that they got Kevin Durant, and Kevin

635
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: Durant played extremely well in his return.

636
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: That's normally what happens when guys go back.

637
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: And I meant to ask you and we'll get it

638
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: in this segment about going back to your former team.

639
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, you get traded, or you leave via free

640
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: agency and you go back to the team where you

641
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: started your career, or you spent some time. But what

642
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: did you like about what you saw from the Sons

643
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: and what you liked about what you saw from k D.

644
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: I mean, the Sons is clicking, right, you know, they're clicking.

645
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: They're finding their way. Every other night. Every night someone

646
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: new is performing. You know, they do have a big three,

647
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: And it seems.

648
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: Like Bradley Bill is really like sacrificing his scoring for

649
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: the betterment of the team. He realizes they don't really

650
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: need him to try to be dominant right now, so

651
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: he could just get a feel for this game, make

652
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: sure his body's working. So the fact that you know,

653
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: Bradley Bill as it when they're trying to be dominant, right,

654
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: just getting a feel for the game, get everybody involved,

655
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: and let the two guys who's been holding it down

656
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: do their thing. They've been clicking very well. I mean

657
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty six points. Right, you play Brooklyn.

658
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: Obviously no one thought he was going to lose to them, right,

659
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: you know, you go back, you go back to Brooklyn,

660
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: then you do your day. I mean, you know, yeah,

661
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: no one thought Kevin Durant was gonna go there and

662
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: not play well.

663
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got at least thirty points in every single quarter.

664
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: First quarter they got thirty. Second quarter they got thirty four.

665
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Third quarter they got forty two. Fourth quarter they got thirty.

666
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: So and I don't know who Brooklyn thought he was

667
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna be letting the team shoot sixty two percent from

668
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: the floor from the three point line. I'm just surprised

669
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: how poorly they shot from the free throw line. The Suns,

670
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: they were twenty four thirty two from the free throw line.

671
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: They shot worse.

672
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: They shot seventy five percent from the free throw line

673
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: and shot sixty two percent from the field.

674
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's that's the big man, you know

675
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: what I mean? That ain't really that's a Nurkic. Yeah,

676
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, Nurkid's gonna bring that down. Other than that,

677
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: you know, the best players, but they do at sixteen.

678
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: For well, you Banks was zero for two, Kogie was

679
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: two for three, Ki Nurki, Bradley Bell was five or six,

680
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: kd was eleven or twelve, and Nurkis was six or nine.

681
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: But they plus twenty plus sixteen plus seventeen Bradley Bell

682
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: was plus one, Devin Booker was plus nineteen. Uh, they've

683
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: already played more games together the Big Three. Bradley Beal,

684
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: Kevin Rant and Devin Bookers played more games together than KD.

685
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: James, Larne Carrie played.

686
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy because for the most part, Bill just

687
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: came back.

688
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: Right.

689
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: But but you know, and and that's really the downfall

690
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: of the Brooklyn experiment, right. It wasn't that they failed, right,

691
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 3: we never actually got to see how powerful they are.

692
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: When we did get a glimpse of them, they were unstoppable.

693
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: What they did.

694
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that that championship Buck team, What they did

695
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: to them game one, They made Bucks look like baby basketball, like.

696
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: They didn't even belong in the playoffs. But obviously they

697
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: got hurt.

698
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 3: So you know, you know, we can talk about how

699
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: it was a big failure. It wasn't a big failure

700
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: because they didn't play well together.

701
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: They just didn't play that was it. And they didn't

702
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: have the patience did were here. I remember when ya

703
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: lost your first game with Doc Rivers. We gotta have patience.

704
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna take time. I say, it's funny that you

705
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: say that something that you was unwilling to give Adrian

706
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: Griffin with time and say, now all of a sudden,

707
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna take time now that you have doc and

708
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: you said, but it seemed like, well, it seems like

709
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: James Harden was unwilling to wait or give or take

710
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: time because seemingly he wanted out. It's funny how they

711
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: brought all this thing together and none of those guys

712
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: are there now. James got out first, and then Kyrie

713
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: and not carrying Durant, and what could have been of

714
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: what we thought was going to be really never came

715
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: to fruition.

716
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know sometimes you know, like sometimes visions, your

717
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: visions that you have sounds good. I mean, the plan

718
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: is here, you just didn't execute it. In executing the

719
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: main goal being healthy, you know, them playing and getting

720
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: out there learning each other. That was gonna happen because

721
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: for the most part they practiced together in a summer.

722
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: They play together in the summer. I watched Kevin Durant

723
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: the first year they got together. Kevin Durant brung the

724
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: whole Brooklyn team here in Los Angeles. They was working

725
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: out with Mamba, So Kevin Durant and the nets dere

726
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: Jordan them they were here playing against John Wall and

727
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: the Wizard team. So the Wizards and Brooklyn Nets was

728
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 3: practicing against each other, going up and down seven eight games,

729
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: and them too, Kyrie and Kevin. When I say they

730
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: were unstoppable, they have they're going to eleven. Katie had

731
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: got eight one game, Kyrie got eight the next game.

732
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: They were really just torturing and I was like, Yo,

733
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: these two dudes is just unstoppable and unreal. Right, So

734
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: it's not like they didn't put the work in together.

735
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: Just when it was time to really perform in that game,

736
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: they just wasn't healthy, Right, It just happens.

737
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: What's it like? Yeah?

738
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: You like I wanted to ask you this in the

739
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: first segment, obviously, Dame went back. We had two guys

740
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: going back into Return to Big Guns. Dame went back

741
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: to Portland, kd went back to Brooklyn. What was it

742
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: like for you? What were your emotions like? What were

743
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: you expecting the crowd to be?

744
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: Like? Did you get a video tribute?

745
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: I think I read something that came in the Red

746
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: says he didn't want it, didn't think he deserved it.

747
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: But what was your return like when you went back

748
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: to teams that you formerly played for Okay.

749
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: So when I went back to like, you know, I

750
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: played two years with Golden State, so you know that

751
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: was short stint, right, So when I went back, it

752
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: was I just bust the ass that you know, game winners,

753
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: that I owned that city right now, Washington right, how

754
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 3: I left right, you.

755
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: Know, the gun thing got trade. Yes, I didn't say.

756
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: Boy to nobody when we came back to Orlando. I'm

757
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: not even gonna lie to you. I was trying to

758
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: get a d NP that whole time. What because I

759
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: didn't leave, you got.

760
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: To I was.

761
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: I would say, he wrote, I was like he roll right,

762
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: So you know I felt embarrassed.

763
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: I felt like I shamed everything I stood for. I

764
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: went back.

765
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 3: It was more of that I'm the scarlet motherfucking letter

766
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: out there.

767
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: Hey I got a NOL tree on head? Yeah, stupid,

768
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: you got that G. You got that G yeah? You know,

769
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: like so I was.

770
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: I was scared. I'm not even gonna lie. I was

771
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: scared like, oh shit, I'm gonna get booed, like, oh man,

772
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: I don't want to play. It was one of those

773
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: times where I was on I just went back last

774
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: summer or to yeah, last summer to for Legends night.

775
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: You know how many times.

776
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: They had to call me for me to okay because

777
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want to go there and get booed,

778
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, like getting booed for

779
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: being the heat me coming in your city and you

780
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 3: bulling me because I'm busting your ass understandable, you ruin

781
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: me for the home I built and stuff.

782
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: That means I really disappointed.

783
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 3: You, right, because you really were disappointed in my behavior.

784
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I'm good.

785
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 3: So when I got there and they gave me a cheer,

786
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: not even gonna lie, man, that was like the best feelings,

787
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: Like I hit game winners.

788
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: All over again.

789
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: Wow, there's a You know, mine was different because I

790
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: ain't want to go.

791
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: I ain't want to go back. I was scared. I

792
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: think that for me, gil I played, I played for my.

793
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: Teammates, respect, my coaches, trust, and the fans appreciation. And

794
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: I played for him in that order. And I think

795
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: the thing is that I played fourteen years. I played

796
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: twelve in Denver, I played two in Baltimore. I don't

797
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: think any the fans think I sure changed them. I

798
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of the fans know what exactly

799
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: what I did in order to make sure I played

800
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: from you know, taking taking the injections and having the

801
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: fluid drone forty.

802
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: Ce seeds, sixty se seeds and.

803
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Fluid drawn up my knee just to get out there

804
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: and play of not being able to play practice the

805
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: whole week and taking those shots in my butt and

806
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: then ankles in order to get out there to play.

807
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: But that was my choice because I understood that I

808
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna this is not a twenty year career for me.

809
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: This is not a thirty year career for.

810
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Me, and when I'm done with it, I didn't want

811
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: to have any regrets. I'll take the double repaired hips,

812
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: I would take the break broken collar bone. I would

813
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: take the week in immune system because of some of

814
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: the things that I did. But at the end of

815
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the day, I never wanted to look back and have

816
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: any regrets.

817
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: That's why I ate the way I ate.

818
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: That's the way I trained, the way I trained, that's

819
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: the way I lived, the way I lived.

820
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: So football doesn't owe Shannon Sharp anything.

821
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp doesn't know the game of football anything, and

822
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: so I think for me, I don't now the Ravens

823
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: fans might not feel the same way about me now,

824
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: but the Broncos. But I tell you what that organization

825
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: and the way I prepared and what I did while

826
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: I was there, they hold me in the in the

827
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: utmost regard the Broncos and the fans and the coaches.

828
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: None of the coaches are still there, but a lot

829
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: of people are in that building now. They don't have something,

830
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, like the training staff. It's probably turned over.

831
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: Equipment staff is still pretty much still there. It's new ownership.

832
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: So I'm not so sure that I know any other now.

833
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: I've met the new owners. I've met the Walton Pinner

834
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: group that owned the Broncos now. But that's what I did.

835
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: I wanted my teammates respect, I wanted my coaches trusts,

836
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: and I wanted the fans appreciate what I did every Sunday.

837
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: And so I think I got that.

838
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: I don't people who when he said sixty ccs right,

839
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: just so you didn't underst what that looked like. This

840
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: is about forty to sixty c seeds of fluid in

841
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: the knee, which means if this is in your knee right,

842
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: you can't bend it. It's you know, because it's swelling,

843
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: it's taking away the muscle in your thigh.

844
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you gotta answer, yes, you gotta get it, Yes,

845
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: you gotta get it injected out. And I'm getting drunk

846
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: some of them. Sometimes I'm getting drawn off both knees.

847
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: So I might have I might have eighty C seeds total. Gil,

848
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: I remember I told him, Uh, I was telling old

849
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: you this the other night. Got clipped me in the

850
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: uh in the game in high school, I got.

851
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: Two hundred and twenty five CE seeds drawn off my knee.

852
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: What that was? A man that think, man that think

853
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 2: hurt so bad?

854
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: But you're right, Gil, And basically what that When you

855
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: have fluid on your knee, your body's trying to tell

856
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: you something.

857
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: Hey, bro, you're not right now now.

858
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you a warning you need hey

859
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: and I Hey, it's to check in your life on.

860
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: But I'm not he met warning.

861
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: Someone asked me that was like, yeah, you know, you

862
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 3: know you have a lamp.

863
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: You walk in with a lamp. You know you can't

864
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: being in lead, you can't flex your need. Would you

865
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: do it all over again? I said, hell? Yeah, yeah, Hell, I.

866
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: Mean there's not a there's not a lot of There's

867
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: not a lot of athletes that wouldn't do it again,

868
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: right like Kevin When Kevin Durant tour his achilles, and

869
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: I said, do not blame the coaching staff, Do not

870
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 3: blame anybody for the achilles.

871
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: There was no medical.

872
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: Staff in the world that was going to convince you

873
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: not to play in the biggest stage of your life

874
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: in the championship, like you know what I mean. And

875
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: I said, if we erase your mind a hundred times,

876
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: you would go out there one hundred times.

877
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: And he said, you damn right, right for sure, you

878
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

879
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: Like it's you know, we put ourselves through the body.

880
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: We put ourselves through these situations because that's.

881
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: What makes you great. Yeah, we know.

882
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, does KD need to win

883
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: a Does KD need to win a title outside of

884
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Golden State to crack the top ten?

885
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: You got him in the top ten, now, I mean

886
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: by the time he's Dominan's Larry Bird.

887
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: At the top ten? Your hell yeah? And he better

888
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: than Larry Bird.

889
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: I mean, all I know is Larry Bird got three

890
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: consecutive MVPs with three titles and two finals MVPs.

891
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: You know, in in the year where your team is

892
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: dominant and hold on. He got him in the era

893
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: where magic, Kareem and Jordan.

894
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Now you told me Jordan ran the eighties, but I

895
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: know a white guy that could not run a snail

896
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: and could not and could not jump ash and ash

897
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: yat got Poe Lefty.

898
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: But but it's the team.

899
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: The team was dominant, right you remember he three he

900
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: won dominated.

901
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: They had three.

902
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: Championships, two finals MVPs because someone got another MVP because

903
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 3: he choked in that final, but they won.

904
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, he scored eight points, but people forget that.

905
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: But see that too young to remember? They he scored

906
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: eight points twice Corn Brad Maxwell in eighty one won

907
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: the finals MVP. I'm old enough to remember because larr

908
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: Bird was my favorite player. Yes, so when I talk,

909
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: listen to me.

910
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: Now ahead, you know, so Larry Bird dominant in his right,

911
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: But you gotta remember.

912
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Let's let's not think.

913
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: Let's not forget that the eighties wasn't the eighties was

914
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: drugged up?

915
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: Right them players? And see I can burn.

916
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: Past the crackhead, right, A crackhead was not hard to

917
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: get ball?

918
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: Have those dudes are trying to hurry up and get

919
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: to the next fix.

920
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: Right, So he out there having a good old time

921
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: with the boys out there. So I do value his greatness,

922
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: trust me, you know, just being the white boy being

923
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: like it reminds me of Luca.

924
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: You out here doing work. You out here letty like.

925
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: History mon no aa, I got something for y'all asses too.

926
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: But Katie is a whole another beast, right. You got

927
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: him in the top ten right now.

928
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: I got I got him as a second best of

929
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: all fore ever.

930
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: I can't I got one. I'm gonna put you to

931
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: the test.

932
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: How many people you think got him ranked ahead of

933
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Steph Curry at this moment?

934
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: And you and I sit there and have this conversation.

935
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: It depends what are we talking. I don't I don't

936
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: know what de peons are.

937
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Depends are is an adult garment, That's what de pens are.

938
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: So I need you to give me something more than

939
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: the peds. I think.

940
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 3: I think the NBA players and ex NBA players will

941
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: have Kevin, Kevin the ran in front of Curry because

942
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: you gotta.

943
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: Right now, because I don't think he is. Remember do you.

944
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: Remember Curry's first first four or five years, right his

945
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 3: accolades ain't there.

946
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: Like people don't realize that that three.

947
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: Point record he has, Trey Young is blowing that out

948
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: at the same time right now, at the same time

949
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: frame that they're playing out, Trey Young is surpassed because

950
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: he had the ankle injury, so he don't have the stats.

951
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: That Kevin Durant had at that same age.

952
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 3: So accolades, if you're gonna acculate it or points it whatever,

953
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant is still gonna be in front. We're looking

954
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: at Kevin Durant like you joined him to win, but

955
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 3: you have to you have to do this too. Two

956
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: of Steph Curry's championship came because of Kevin.

957
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: Durant too, so two of him came without him. Yeah,

958
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: so either KD. You don't got any without him. He

959
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: got two with I KD.

960
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 3: And he has two finals and he has two MVPs,

961
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: one of them are unanimous.

962
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: And I don't know how. I don't know how.

963
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how you put kat in front of

964
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: him at this present time because of the.

965
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: Totality of it, right, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

966
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: Depend on you who you asking, right, you know we're

967
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: gonna when we.

968
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: Talk about Kevin Durant.

969
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: We're talking with with like a like put the pole up.

970
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: Who we got like you got Katie. I thought, okay,

971
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna put kt in. Still right, you.

972
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: Look at you.

973
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna put Kate. We gonna put Kate. We want

974
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna let the chat decide.

975
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: Okay, you look, you look, you look when you think

976
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: when you say Kevin Durant, you already snail at it

977
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: the idea because he left, Okay, se I ain't got

978
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: no problem with but I'm just saying, but that's but

979
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: that's why the most part, like it was down three

980
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: when you went to the team and we kind of

981
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 3: you're frowned upon when.

982
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: You say his name.

983
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: So he won't get the best the best review period.

984
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 3: That's why I said, if you ask hoopers and say

985
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: who would you take? This is a true story through

986
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 3: the grade vine when him and Kevin Durant, when Curry

987
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: and Kevin Durant was up at the same time, they

988
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: only had one max to give out. They offered it

989
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: to Kevin Durant, not Curry. They offered it to Kevin Durant,

990
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: we're maxing you and he said, no, this is not

991
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: my team, you give it to Curry, I'll whatever's left over.

992
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: Most likely that let them know that he was gonna leave.

993
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: But he turned down the max and gave it, gave

994
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: it to Curry and said this is your team. I'm

995
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: just here passing through.

996
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: Basically, Well, I think the thing is what what what

997
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: hurts your and his argument is that KD was on

998
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: a team that was up three to one and Curry

999
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: came back. Curry has four titles and two of them

1000
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: without him, and he out mbp'd. So I'm just trying

1001
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: to figure the argument. Even if you say, well, he's

1002
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: a better player, what's your argument.

1003
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: They can do.

1004
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: Things that Kerry can't. M h everything except when titles

1005
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: without Curry.

1006
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.

1007
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: Mean, I mean, I listen, I get the titles thing.

1008
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: But you know when you're just talking about a player

1009
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: and you say, are who are gonna drive? You're drafting

1010
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant first? Every single time, You're not even gonna.

1011
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: You're not even gonna think twice about it.

1012
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, because here's the thing. I mean, when do

1013
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: we start counting titles? May ain't nobody was counting titles

1014
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: to Jordan got a bunch of them. Yeah, I mean,

1015
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: ain't nobody count ain't nobody count on titles? Well, nobody

1016
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: counting MVPs until Jordan got a bunch of them and

1017
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they matter.

1018
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: Because that was the standard of greatness. So you know

1019
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: what I mean. But you know, for the most part,

1020
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: for the most part, we we just think about like

1021
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 3: if you know, we say, all.

1022
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: Right, we're gonna draft somebody.

1023
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: Right, even though Curry is as great as he is,

1024
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna go with the guy who can play multiple positions.

1025
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: So you're gonna go with KD. What KD does can't

1026
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: it can't be replaced. Right. He is a dominant force.

1027
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 2: He he is that dude. Right.

1028
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: You might not like him because he's emotional. You might

1029
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: not like him because he's he's.

1030
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: Quick to leave to go try to win.

1031
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: You can't knock him for that because if you're gonna

1032
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: throw But I thought he liked the grind.

1033
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: He said that he didn't want to leave Phoenix because

1034
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: he loved the grind.

1035
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: When when he said he loved a grind, that's in personally,

1036
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: Oh okay, what damn?

1037
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: There was a grinding. There was a grinding, okc there

1038
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: was a grind in Brooklyn. But the only grind that

1039
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: he didn't have was a go to state.

1040
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: But the problem is this too, you have to really think.

1041
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 3: Okay, see, right, they go to the Chazitionship as a

1042
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: young team, right, yes, they go to the championship.

1043
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened after that? They win? James Harden left.

1044
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: James Harden left. They wouldn't pay the extra four million.

1045
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: Dollars or extra four dollars a year, right, they paid Obaca.

1046
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 2: They they missed.

1047
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: They they misplaced their money in a sense, right, and

1048
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 3: then from your.

1049
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: Team got worse.

1050
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: So when you were free agent and you're looking like, damn,

1051
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: yeah we was up three to one. Yeah we was

1052
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 3: up three to one, you know, but we didn't win

1053
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: in right, so didn't win it? Are we that good?

1054
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 3: Who are we trying to get it?

1055
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 4: Nobody?

1056
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: You're you're not trying to get nobody like all the

1057
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: free agents out there. You're not trying to get nobody.

1058
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: But who, No, that's your question. Who could?

1059
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: Who are you going to get? It's kind of like

1060
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: some of these teams. Who you're gonna get to go

1061
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: to Prokland? Who are you getting to go to OKC?

1062
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: Who are you getting to go to Cleveland. Lebron James,

1063
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: as great as he was, couldn't attract anybody to Cleveland,

1064
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: so he had to go. And I got no problem.

1065
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: I've never had a problem. I mean, I'm looking at

1066
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: it like, damn it. They were seventy three and nine.

1067
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: Damn maybe you go to New York, go somewhere else.

1068
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: But okay, he left and went to Golden State. I

1069
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: don't got no I have no problem with a guy

1070
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: leaving because in those times, Cleveland, Okay, see, really, bro man,

1071
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: you think I want to go to ok See.

1072
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: I won't bring.

1073
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: If I got a family, I ain't trying to raise

1074
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: my family in Oklahoma, and that ain't no knock on Oklahoma.

1075
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to raise my family in Cleveland. That

1076
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: ain't it. Now.

1077
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: If I ain't get if I can get to Miami,

1078
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: if I can get to la.

1079
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: And that seemingly you know or team that I know,

1080
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: I go.

1081
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: To Boston ain't my first choice, given their history and

1082
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: how they treat their players.

1083
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: Now.

1084
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little better now, but I'm not so sure.

1085
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: If they were to lose in the finals game, you

1086
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: might hear some of the things that they said the

1087
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: Russell and some of the things they said to some

1088
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: of their own Boston Red Sox players. But that's not

1089
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that at another day time. But I

1090
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with k D leaving. But my

1091
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: thing is is, like I just don't like I said,

1092
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: I just need people like you said the basketball players,

1093
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: because it seemed like the canteens you change if I

1094
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: like a player, because if I like the player, rings

1095
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: don't matter, and if I don't, they matter.

1096
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: But that's how it is.

1097
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna always look at the negative on somebody's like

1098
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna look on the negative if we

1099
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: don't like them, right, we can we can say Lebron

1100
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: couldn't get anybody to Cleveland, but then knock him from

1101
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: George winning so many championships with the roster he had,

1102
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: Like he couldn't get nobody to Cleveland. It's easy to

1103
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: get people to Chicago. It's easy to get people in

1104
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: LA It's easy to get people when you are in

1105
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: a top ten city like and I think people need

1106
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 3: to understand this. When you look at the top fifty

1107
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: greatest of all time, thirty seven of thirty three to

1108
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: thirty seven of those players are for big city teams, Boston,

1109
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: New York, LA, Philly, chicag It's.

1110
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: The same group Golden State is. It's gonna be a

1111
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: top six city.

1112
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: So what ends up happening is if I'm a free agent, right,

1113
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 3: if I'm a free agent and you in LA and

1114
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: you say, yo, Gil, come down, I'm getting one fifty

1115
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 3: here and y'all can offer me one twenty.

1116
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: That means thirty million. How can I make that up?

1117
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: My shoe contract doubles because I'm in a bigger city, right,

1118
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: the market goes up, you know, everything goes and heightens

1119
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: in certain cities.

1120
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna make the money back, So I'm gonna go.

1121
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: If I If I'm going to it ain't no goddamn

1122
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 3: doubling the Nike contract.

1123
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: There's nothing in those pees. So you might be trying

1124
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: to get a team contract. Yes, like even like Shade.

1125
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: Right, I'm sorry people if you're an OKC fan Shade,

1126
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: But for him to touch his greatness, he's gonna have

1127
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 3: to leave. We don't know who he is as great

1128
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: as he is right now, no one knows him.

1129
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

1130
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: The poll is KT ranked higher than Steff? Twenty nine

1131
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: percent says yes, seventy one percent say no, alloy.

1132
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say nothing about church, but they football fans.

1133
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: Shaq said Katie would join the gold discussion if he

1134
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: wears the title as the bus driver.

1135
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: You agree with that he's a bus drive. With what

1136
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: he flipped. He flipped the bus. What you're talking about?

1137
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: He was the bus driver. Sit down, I got y'all.

1138
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen season, wasn't Kevin Durant?

1139
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: Right?

1140
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: Steph Curry only played fifty one regular season games a year?

1141
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: Buzz driver, Come on, follow me, y'all. In the playoffs,

1142
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: remember first round? Kirby wasn't their first round. He wasn't

1143
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: their first round. He came in against New Orleans. Kevin

1144
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: Durant dominated every series. When they played Houston, Kevin Durant

1145
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: average thirty five in that series.

1146
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: Oh, hold on, hold on.

1147
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: Didn't Kevin Durant miss two series? Didn't he miss the

1148
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: Sea Holo? Hold on, Gill, you do realize what Kevin

1149
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: Durant had that achilles injury. Now that's two series too.

1150
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: That's the next year. They didn't win that year. Yeah,

1151
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: but I'm saying they got to the finals without Kevin

1152
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Durant in the playoffs, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, But.

1153
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: We're talking about driving the bus. He drove the bus,

1154
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: that the two thousand, seventeen twenty eighteen, the bus driver.

1155
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: I don't think he's the look, I think he was

1156
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: the most driver.

1157
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: He's never gonna get the credit that he deserves because

1158
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: that's Steph team. That's Steph Team, that's Johnny Gill. Hey, no,

1159
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: that's Bobby Brown, that's round Ronnie Ricky, that's them.

1160
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: Now in order for you.

1161
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: Hey, you got to go somewhere else and start your

1162
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: own group, and Phoenix might be the Now, Brooklyn would

1163
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: have been great because that'd have been something that he assembled.

1164
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: He brought this together. He was supposed to be the

1165
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: leader of the team. And I think I think Phoenix

1166
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: works out great for him. Kevin Durant works best when

1167
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: all he can do is play basketball.

1168
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to be a leader. He couldn't do

1169
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: that in Brooklyn, Gil, But.

1170
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: That's what Yeah, But if he went to Brooklyn and

1171
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 3: he added all those but what's the difference, Because.

1172
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: He's so I'm saying, he wants to just play.

1173
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: He let he let Clay, he let Steph, he let

1174
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: Draymond be the leaders.

1175
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: He just he just hoo. Now he's in a situation

1176
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: that's book.

1177
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: He still he's in the background, and he gets the

1178
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: hoop when you put something together, Gil, I put this

1179
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: together at nightcap, I put plumbs.

1180
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: Ain't sit together. I can't just sit I can't just

1181
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:53,479
Speaker 2: sit back.

1182
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: Now if I go somewhere else, I can sit back

1183
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: and say, by this my joint, I just get to

1184
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: do me. He put that together. So he has to

1185
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: be at the forefront. And I don't think. I don't

1186
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: know if he's comfortable being at the pourfront. He's saying,

1187
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to lead. I don't need to lead.

1188
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: I want to who I want to play basketball. Okay,

1189
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: So but just let's just look at it.

1190
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: Just look at it from this standpoint, right, if Curry

1191
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: played fifty one games in the regular season, right, yeah,

1192
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: someone has to lead them while he's done, right, yes, right, okay?

1193
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: Right? First round, Kevin Durant, I mean Curry's not there.

1194
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant averages twenty seven and twenty seven in that series.

1195
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: Curry comes back. Second round, he averages twenty four. Kevin

1196
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: Durant averages twenty seven in the Western Conference Final Curry

1197
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 3: averages twenty five. Kevin Durant going against James Harden averages.

1198
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: Thirty five in that series.

1199
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: Right, Chip Curry averages twenty seven, Kevin Durant.

1200
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: Averages twenty eight.

1201
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: Who is driving the bus in this playoff race, no

1202
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: matter whose team it is.

1203
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: When you say he.

1204
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: Don't get no respect for driving the bus in this

1205
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: playoff series in this season, we're.

1206
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: Not talking about the Achilles.

1207
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: We're talking about that second championship where he won the final.

1208
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: He carried from the beginning of the season.

1209
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1210
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean the guy averaging I mean, you got Steph

1211
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: averaging twenty eight and you got Clay averaging twenty two.

1212
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: It's hard to see somebody carrying them. Now.

1213
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: I can see if they average if Steph averaging sixteen

1214
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: and Clay averaging.

1215
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: Fourteen, But damn twenty eight Yell twenty eight and fifty

1216
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: one games.

1217
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, name the series, but the

1218
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: series in which they won, and rightfully so, I believe

1219
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant deserved both finals MVP. But if you look

1220
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: at Steph curry numbers, I ain't looking at it like

1221
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: oh O, Kate. He carried these guys steph averaging twenty

1222
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: seven to twenty eight.

1223
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: Okay series wait, okay, first series zero versus twenty seven

1224
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 3: point eight second zero. Curry average twenty four, Kevin Durant

1225
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: average twenty seven. Western co Finals Curry average twenty five,

1226
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant.

1227
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 2: Average thirty five.

1228
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: The Chip Curry average twenty seven, Kevin Durant average twenty.

1229
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: Eight, twenty seven, twenty eight. That ain't no, That ain't

1230
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: carrying gield. Now we got Erry carry in.

1231
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: Is that the year averaged ten more points than you

1232
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: the series before. Right, what I'm saying is right when

1233
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: you're talking about totality of body of work. He is

1234
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 3: the bus driver in this sense, right he is. If

1235
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 3: we can't say that he didn't lead, he didn't lead.

1236
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: He every round, he led the team in dominance. And

1237
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: now I said that that championship ring was was held

1238
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: by him, he can say, well that twenty seventeen twenty

1239
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 3: eighteen season, throughout that whole season that y'all had to

1240
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 3: really ride on my back a little bit because you know,

1241
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: Curry didn't play. Kurry wasn't there most of the most

1242
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 3: of the season, and then he missed the first round

1243
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 3: and y'all really like he can say he won that

1244
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 3: he can at least out of the two championships if

1245
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: we're gonna if we're gonna challenge one, I'm pretty sure

1246
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: he can sit back and say, now one of those

1247
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 3: is one of those I can say I really put

1248
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: in that work.

1249
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: Right. Let me that's your question on one. Let me's

1250
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: your question.

1251
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: Let's just say, for the sake of argument, we take

1252
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and we put him on Kansas City and

1253
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: they win the title. How much how much credit you

1254
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: think he gonna get? Now they got Patrick Mahomes already

1255
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: and they already gone to the Super Bowl.

1256
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: Not a lot. Kevin Durant, he joins, he joined Steph Curry.

1257
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: They had already gone to two NBA finals, he had

1258
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: won one, dad lost one, and he had joined the

1259
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: team that was seventy three and nine. And I think

1260
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: that's the problem that people have. People say, holdo, hello, kd.

1261
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: We ain't got no problem with you leaving, But you

1262
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: had a three to one lead, and everybody's keeps saying that, oh,

1263
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: they wanted him, they begged him to come. But you

1264
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: had a three to one lead on the team that

1265
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: you joined. And they were seventy three and nine, and

1266
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: so this team was already successful before you joined. Okay, now,

1267
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey go joins Kansas City, he's not gonna get

1268
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: nearly the credit because even though even though the forty

1269
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: nineers went to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago,

1270
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: he put him over the top. So he gets a

1271
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: lot more credit, like Kevin Durant would have done had

1272
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: he won in Brooklyn. But when you go to a

1273
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: team and they've already have major success before you got there,

1274
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: it's hard for people to see you getting the credit

1275
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: that you believe you rightfully deserves.

1276
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 3: No, No, not that first Listen, the first championship. He's

1277
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 3: going to a seventy three and nine team, right, yes,

1278
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: favorite to win it? Right, boom, they win it, he

1279
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: wins finance MVP. Right, yep, I'm talking about that very

1280
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: next year, right, the very next year.

1281
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 2: Curry playing fifty one games. If Kevin Durant's not there,

1282
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: what does that team really look like? Night?

1283
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 3: Right? So someone has to hold it up. Patrick Mahomes, Right,

1284
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: you got the sixteen or sixteen weeks, eighteen weeks, eighteen

1285
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 3: and you missing eight of those, right, not going yes,

1286
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: So that means there was someone there that held it

1287
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: up while you were gone, right right, That's what he did.

1288
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying. As a player, I'm like, well,

1289
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 3: the first one, okay, I rolled y'all back. The second one,

1290
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: y'all rolled my back a little bit, And that's what

1291
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

1292
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: The second one, he.

1293
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: Can he can say that, Okay, I had to carry

1294
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: us to the playoffs. So I had to carry us

1295
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 3: through that Houston series that you know, I'm going against

1296
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: James Harden and I dominated, averaging thirty five. A game

1297
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 3: like I average thirty five a game like that means this.

1298
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: Is me, I'm unspable right to get us go ahead,

1299
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: go ahead?

1300
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1301
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

1302
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 3: So you know, as a Hooper looking back, it's one

1303
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 3: of those you know, I got too, but I really

1304
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: earned one, right, you know. And the thing is is

1305
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: that it's not as like Shack averaging thirty five and

1306
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: six team, even though I think Kobe's last the last championship,

1307
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 3: Kobe average what like twenty seven, twenty eight. Is that

1308
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: Shaq was just so dominant. I mean, he give you

1309
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: thirty six and sixteen. What no I'm like, bro, come

1310
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Speaker 3: on now.

1311
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: And and that was Kobe was every year you saw

1312
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 1: Kobe like damn you was like twenty one, twenty two,

1313
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: and then he went like twenty four and now he

1314
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: averaged what the Kobe average the last year they won

1315
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: the championship, because Shaq averaged like for the championships, he

1316
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: averaged like thirty five and fifteen, thirty five and sixteen

1317
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: through the three year run.

1318
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: Where did Kobe A Was that a twenty seven year? Wait?

1319
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: I think it was that that last year and old

1320
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: what they couse? They won what two thousand and one two, so.

1321
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: They're been twenty eight oh one? Is an old the

1322
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: old one? Two oh go two? Did he have a

1323
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: twenty five? Maybe that year? What do the average dash?

1324
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: Forty five? Yeah?

1325
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 3: Because anyway we three p but he averaged twenty nine

1326
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 3: in the playoffs.

1327
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kobe average twenty nine in the flackoffs.

1328
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: Right, And when you remember shak filed out with that

1329
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: one series filed with Shack filed out against Indiana and

1330
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: Covie like I got your big fellow.

1331
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: I think that was the moment that he it really dark, like, man, hey,

1332
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: I really could do this thing. But ye, hey, that scary.

1333
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: You know, hey, hey, hey, be the problem.

1334
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: There'll be moments in in games and things that happened

1335
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: and you feel like you can do this while the

1336
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 3: without the other. And I think that's what happened with

1337
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant and Westbrook when Kevin Durant went down and

1338
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: Westbrook had to hold the team and he's really dominating.

1339
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 3: I know, he's looking life. Yeah I can.

1340
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: I can see myself doing this for a while.

1341
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's who I be gonna lie go get.

1342
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: We put a poll up, poll up, who wins another

1343
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: ring first? KD seventy four percent, Cowboys twenty six percent.

1344
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: There ain't got no faith in the Cowboys? Then what's

1345
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: wrong with the boys? Man? Like y'all got so much money,

1346
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: y'all just don't know who to Bob Man Florida.

1347
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: Go ahead, whatever Michael Irving was on, but go ahead

1348
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: and lace them up, David, you know, bring it back

1349
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 3: to the early nineties.