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Speaker 1: welcome everyone to this special episode against the Chronicles and

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of money generated. Are you doing a

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Speaker 1: what they brought to the table, and that's just a

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00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: bad relationship. You need to cut that off sooner than later. Yeah,

431
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm really I'm really good friends with

432
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: um with one of you guys, biggest excellent over there.

433
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Um you may know him was mc tien. Yeah, you know,

434
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: me and him that became, you know, pretty good friends

435
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: over the years. And the thing I left about MEC

436
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: is he always talks about Priority with like that Priority

437
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: brigs with Garden at Nostalgia, like like, man, it was

438
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: the best time effort, you know, like it was a

439
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: family you know what we're going in and just like

440
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, he tells me about the time he walked

441
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: in he started who banging, and you guys just fully

442
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: supported him with it. Yep, yep. Max a friend of

443
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: mine as well as you know, and um, you know, honestly,

444
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things about Priority was funny.

445
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: I see this happen in corporate America all the time.

446
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: It's gotten a little bit better because you know, we've

447
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: matured corporately, and music has matured, and hip hops now

448
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: that it's not a it's it's not a fad, it's

449
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: not a music of a culture. It's not anything like that.

450
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: It is the largest most popular genre in the world

451
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: right now. And so with that said, you know, the

452
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: thing that was magical about Priority is that it was

453
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: a community of people with really a common goal, great leadership,

454
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: and more importantly, we understood and we lived the culture.

455
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: You know, we still live in a world where we

456
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: call people black and white and we refer to them

457
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: about their ethnicity. I think that's played out and that

458
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: I hope that during my lifetime we won't will refer

459
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: to people as men and women or whatever they are,

460
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: right instead of referring to them by ethnicity. But we're

461
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: still there. So if if we're still there, I'll do

462
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: the same thing. We understood black culture, and we didn't

463
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: understand it because we thought we wanted to be in

464
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: it or we might. We understood it because we lived

465
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: it every day we went. I went to the neighborhoods,

466
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: I was in you know, people's houses, I was at

467
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: their parties, I was there for their holidays, you know.

468
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: And as as the as much as we are the same,

469
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: there are different cultural differences no matter where you're at

470
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: in the north, the south, the east, and west. Like

471
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: we just talked about, you know, different language, different way

472
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: of speaking, sometimes different customs, lots of different things. We

473
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: were in the middle of it. It was what we

474
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: did for a living, and we did it together. And

475
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: we did have a family atmosphere and a loyalty in

476
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: a and a real camaraderie inside that that building. That

477
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: was really magical. I'll leave you with this as it relates.

478
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, one of the one of the things that

479
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: happened when Priority was purchased by E. M. I and I,

480
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean once My purchased that, I resigned

481
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: and I went to Warner Um and worked for Sylvia Rhne.

482
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Sylvia was kind enough to give me a shot to

483
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: come to Warner and go to what we called the

484
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: majors at the time, because I'd been an independent my

485
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: whole life. As a big step and you know, I

486
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: just when they bought it, I knew that they weren't

487
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: going to maintain the culture of the company, whether they

488
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: intended to or not. I knew that was gonna go away,

489
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: and so I cut my you know, I cut ties

490
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: and left Um immediately. You know, I was one of

491
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: the first to leave, because I just knew it was

492
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: never be the same. We were now owned by a corporation.

493
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: We weren't owned by Mark Serami and Brian Turner who

494
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: founded the company. You know, they were, they were still there,

495
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: but but they weren't going to be the boss long term.

496
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: E M I was. They paid the money, they wrote

497
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: the cash. You know, Before we're going, because I know

498
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: you have a long story career, before we're going, I

499
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: want to ask you this, is there anyone that turned

500
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: up to be super duper successful that the building might

501
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: have fought? Have you ever going to bring someone into

502
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: someone in the building kind of folks in it? I

503
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: think that any time you go to bring any one end,

504
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: people fight you on it, whether it's another executive or

505
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: it's another artist or whatever. But you know, I will

506
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: I will never forget. We wanted to be in business

507
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: with cash money, and there was a lot of fighting

508
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: in and around cash money, and I wish we'd had

509
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: them to be part of that family. Um, you know,

510
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: for me as a sales guy at that time, and

511
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: again we did lots of other things, but I was

512
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: classically trained sales guy. That's all I cared about, right,

513
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: I didn't care about who was, you know, arguing or

514
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: fighting with who or what colors, people were wearing, the

515
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: rags they were flying. None of that hattered to me.

516
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: I just cared that it would sell right, that that

517
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: something would go out there and be impactful, and that

518
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: we could go and create something exciting. And they always

519
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: fight and steal no matter what it is, because no

520
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: one's gonna have the same opinion, so there's always one

521
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: side versus the other, and you know, sometimes you do so.

522
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: So so you mean to tell me that Priority Ricords

523
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: could have had cash money records over there, and I'm

524
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: pretty sure, I'm pretty sure no limit had a problem

525
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: with that. There were lots of people that had a

526
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: problem with it. And frankly, you know, I was I

527
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: was a vote, a very uh you know minority. Well,

528
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: I was an insignificant vote that I wanted them there,

529
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: I bet you did. You know, those guys sold a

530
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: lot of rigors, and when they came there was kind

531
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: of like the you know what what what the funny

532
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: thing it was about that situation. It was not I

533
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: know Birdman and I know you know, I think they're

534
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: both great people. But I think at that time, though,

535
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: I think that with all the master p doing what

536
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: he did, cash money maybe might have had the success

537
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: because p kind of opened up the door for New Orleans.

538
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: I will always see p as upon in ear down there.

539
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: He was the one that got you know, got his

540
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: shot first in a way, right, j right, but certainly

541
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: for New Orleans. Um. But yeah, he went on and

542
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,960
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585
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Speaker 1: be on if you have no problems. But so you

586
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: left Priority Records. You over now the major label because

587
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people you know, it's funny when you

588
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: say a major, because at that time I think Priority

589
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: was probably doing more volume than the major's work. We

590
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: were we were doing quite well. And um, you know,

591
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: we had certainly got the attention of everybody in the

592
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: industry because we were on the top of the charts.

593
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: Don't forget before we leave Priority that in w A

594
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: for Life record, right that debuted at number one because

595
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: sounds Scan changed the reporting and it was more accurate,

596
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: and so n w A ended up being the number

597
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: one record in the country, and that opened a lot

598
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: of people's eyes. Um, the other genre that really benefited

599
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: from that change that sound scan was country because country

600
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: had a similar country music that is, had a similar

601
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: you know path, and that they weren't quite recognized for

602
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: the contributions that they were making to the retail community.

603
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: The retailers knew it, but the world didn't really know

604
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: it until sound Scan changed their formula. And frankly, that

605
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: was a big deal. So we had caught a priority,

606
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: had gotten a lot of attention along with master p

607
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: being on the chart squad every week with a brand

608
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: new record that was was out there post that. Yeah,

609
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: we for those out there that may not know what

610
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: sound scans man, because we're tell them about retail now,

611
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: that's like, that's like ancient stuff to most of these

612
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: keys nowadays. Scan Back in the day, children and young

613
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: people listening to the episode right now, sound scan was

614
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: how they tract the sales of records. You know, every

615
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: time they scanned, it would give record beings at a

616
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: records For one time when we went sound scan and um,

617
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I could talk about it now, we got a whole

618
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: bunch of free CDs in the mail all the time.

619
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. Once people in sound scan, we

620
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: started getting all kinds of stuff for free, yep, and

621
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: and and what you know at the end of the day,

622
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: what sound scan results were what you just referred to

623
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: steal is it drove the numbers on the Billboard charts,

624
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: right for the top two hundred and the and the

625
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: pop charts and those kind of things. And so when

626
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: n w A shot to number one when we were

627
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, we released the record, it was because the

628
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: sound scans reporting and it ended up being number one

629
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: on the Billboard chart. Oh wow, So that changed a

630
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: whole lot of things. Now, let me ask you this.

631
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: You go into the major system, what did they Was

632
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: there anything there that you just didn't like versus the

633
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: old regime versus what you were used to doing. Oh,

634
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: there were so many things. You know, any time you

635
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: make change, things are different, right, and changes always hard

636
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: because we want things to kind of remain the same,

637
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: right always. Um, even if they're better, we still maybe

638
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: don't know until we get in it. But yeah, the

639
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: biggest change for me going to the majors is coming

640
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: out of an independent like priority And I've referred to

641
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: it several times during this podcast, is you can call

642
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: yourself whatever you want, right, vice president of sales, You know,

643
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: head a radio, but if the box needs to be moved,

644
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: somebody goes and moves the box, doesn't matter what your

645
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: title is. And and and that was what I missed

646
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: the most is you know, I had a really great

647
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: relationship with Power one oh six and Hot nineties seven

648
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: in New York, and I was driving a lot of

649
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: initiatives with them on the advertising side, and a lot

650
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: of our records were We're getting introduced there because we

651
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: had a good relationship with them, and they were starting

652
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: to understand, you know, the importance, particularly of Southern hip

653
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: hop when it came to master p right, because then

654
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: you have to continue to break down barriers of what

655
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: people think was great over time, and that when I

656
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: got to the majors, all changed. If you're head of sales.

657
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: I was head of sales at Elector with Sylvia. You

658
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: do sales. You don't do an R, you don't do

659
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: any radio promotion, you don't do any marketing. You do sales.

660
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: That's your job. Stay in your lane, go do that.

661
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: And that's the way larger corporations are because they have

662
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of people assigned to do everything else instead

663
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: of you know a few people that have to do

664
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: everything right. And that was a culture shock for me. Yeah, exactly.

665
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: And I bet you that was because one of the

666
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: things that I was running joke to me about industry

667
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: because I worked in the publishing industry one time and

668
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I just got offered a job. It was funny, maybe

669
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: like six months ago a good friend of mine nine

670
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: might leave hit me up and say, hey, you should laugh,

671
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, apply for this job. Right. So, I'm doing

672
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: a phone interview with the woman and she's probably thirty

673
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: years younger than me, and we're talking about it. We

674
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: get to talking about I won't say what company it was,

675
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: but we get to talking about Prince and I was

676
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, Purple Rain, and she didn't know

677
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: what I was talking about. And and I kind of

678
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: politely changed my mind as about the position. Who have

679
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: to having a conversation with her because I realized, you know,

680
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: this woman right here, I could possibly be working for her.

681
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: And she don't know nothing about music, She don't know

682
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: nothing about black music. She's just someone that's there because

683
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: of whatever reason. But she had no passion for the music.

684
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: And I just didn't want to go into a situation

685
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: of where I was just doing paperwork and research all day.

686
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't getting into it like that because

687
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: to me, that's what the music business has become, almost

688
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: all about analytics and just the pure numbers. I'm something.

689
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, those are very important tools, but

690
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: when you're trying to find that next stuff, I don't

691
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: think Brian turning those dudes just in there looking at

692
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: metrics back and I think they were listening to stuff

693
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: that was gonna be impactful to the coaching. Yeah, yep,

694
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: those guys were, you know true. I mean, one of

695
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: the things that I find a little bit interesting about

696
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: the music business now is it is, to your point,

697
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: still very analytic driven. Right, everything's out there in front

698
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: of you, all the metrics, all the numbers. You know,

699
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: there's no hiding from the data, so to speak. And

700
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: that I mean back in the early music days, and

701
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, long before my time and up through my

702
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: time in the music business, these guys were signing artists

703
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: that they believe we're going to be successful. And they

704
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a bunch of reports they were looking at.

705
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: They went to a show watched where they're not the

706
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: crowd knew the lyrics, right, they listened to of the

707
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: local retailers. Were they selling the records right? They went

708
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: and did some of that grassroots stuff and lots of people,

709
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: and I've done it several times. I signed many artists

710
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: that probably in a analytical way, did not deserve to

711
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: have a record deal, but I signed him because I

712
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: believe they were passionate and I believe that they were,

713
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, worthy of having a shot. I signed a

714
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: deal at at Fontana, you know, with a good friend

715
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: of mine, Mark Tanner and Chime Music, because he wrote

716
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: a song that was influential to me, and I signed

717
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: him based on that any of the numbers were gonna

718
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: be off. You did fine. I mean, it wasn't a

719
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: giant success, but I'm glad we did it well. You know,

720
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: sometimes it has to be involved that dude, Like I

721
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: just think, man, a lot of music has to start

722
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: coming from the old. A lot of it has to

723
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: mean something to somebody because we go off because it's

724
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff out there. It's like, let's keep

725
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: it real. It's not. It's hard to get a people's

726
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: attention right now, but if you've got some bs, it's

727
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: easy to get people's attention. Now. This is definitely the

728
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: error of just um. And I don't want to say

729
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: because I like a lot of these young people's music.

730
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those old dudes to talk about

731
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 1: the keys and what they're doing. But I definitely think

732
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: that the system is kind of rigged right now that

733
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, people can have the appearance of getting attention

734
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: that they want to, but it's not really going there.

735
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: It's not really making an impact like it is versus

736
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: somebody just being interested in the oddity just going on

737
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: at that time, you follow what I'm saying. I mean

738
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: I always referred to it and still referred to it

739
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: like this still authenticity, right? Is it authentic? Is that

740
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: really who you are? Is that really you're talking about

741
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: stuff you really know something about? That meant something to me.

742
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: Like we talked about the early Priority days, these guys

743
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: were living that line. If they weren't fake, they weren't

744
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: like you know, it wasn't stuff they didn't experience, And

745
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: that meant a lot more to me than I can

746
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: go and tell stories all day that aren't true, right,

747
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: And I can go tell stories about things that I

748
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: don't know anything about, and sooner or later, you know,

749
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: game recognized game I don't care what error we're in.

750
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: If you're not really authentic, at some point, somebody's gonna

751
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: see through it. Now. Whether they care or not, if

752
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: the beats hot enough right now is my question exactly.

753
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: And you know, I'd like to tell people all the time.

754
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to keep going back to Pe. But

755
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: Pete broke down on so many barriers. I think Pete

756
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: was the first person that proved kind of like, now,

757
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong with Pete, but he was by

758
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: far not the worst rapper of all time. There are

759
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: people that you know, actually way worse than them to

760
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: call themselves rappers, you know what I mean. I think

761
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: Pete proved though that if you had to beat man

762
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: the hook catchy beating the catchy in the story, people

763
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: were buying to the public. I don't think Joe public

764
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: care about that like that. People were buying into that

765
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: because of the brand, and that's what artists and labels

766
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: and entities should strive to be. People bought things that

767
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: came out with that tank on it, period. Whether they'd

768
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: ever heard a beat or a note on it, they

769
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: knew they had to have that released because it had

770
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: the tank on it. And if it had the tank

771
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: on it. It had to represent what they had experienced

772
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: with for with the No Limit releases, and that is

773
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: that was the magic there was creating a brand that

774
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: people had to be a part of, remembering pulling the

775
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 1: tanks out on the basketball court and the dependance and

776
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: it went on and on and on. And he was brilliant.

777
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: He was a gene He still is. I mean I'm

778
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: talking like he's not still here. He just had a

779
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: birthday this week. He's a genius, he really is. And

780
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: watching don't get a big head. And you know that

781
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: the you know the thing? You know, man, I think

782
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: what it is a lot of these kids today and

783
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: I hear people people hit people hit me up all

784
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: the time for whatever reason. They think we could do

785
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: something with their music. Everybody's looking for a break. Yeah,

786
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: And um, I tell these guys, like I asked people,

787
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: what is it that you want out of your career? Why? Why?

788
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: Why do you want to put an album out? If

789
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: they tell me if the first thing out they mass

790
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: they want to make money, I never deal with it

791
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: again because that's gonna be a situation that's not gonna

792
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: be They're not in it for the right reasons. I

793
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: think I think when you know, I know, when I

794
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: was making music and I was putting out music and

795
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: I was working for the publishing company and doing my thing,

796
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I was there because I love music and I would

797
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: have something to do with it. Probably would have did

798
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: the job for free. They had told me there's gonna

799
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: pay for this job. You know, you come in and

800
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: do it because I was passionate about it. I love

801
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: listening to the music. I loved getting the opportunities, like

802
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: when we have Warner Brothers and somebody hit us up

803
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: and asks if we had a song for this, and

804
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: we're looking at the scene to movie and you're trying

805
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: to play something with that particular scene, it had to

806
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: be all about the music. And if it's not about that,

807
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: and I think that that's the same for anything, for him,

808
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: for whatever, all the life you're in, I think you

809
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: have to have some level of passion for it. Have

810
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: you ever found throughout your courses you've been around a

811
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: long time, man, have you ever just looked at this

812
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: stuff and say it, Man, I'm tired of but I

813
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with it no more. Oh Still,

814
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: It's exactly why I'm where I'm at right now, is

815
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: you're a thousand percent right. I worked for thirty years

816
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: and never felt like I was working. I was doing

817
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: something I loved. I was doing it with people I love.

818
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: Did I get an arguments, did we have fights, did

819
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: we have threats? Did we have drama every day? But

820
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: I loved it. And at the end of the day,

821
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: I never felt like I got up and went to work.

822
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: It was part of my life. It was part of

823
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: what I might to your point steal. It was passion,

824
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: and that's what should get people up in the morning,

825
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: because if you go do what you're really passionate about,

826
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: the money will always be there. You'll always find your

827
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: way to success because you're not working. People would say

828
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: to me all the time, I go to dinner, I'd

829
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: be on my phone. I'd go to here and I'd

830
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: be on my phone. I'd be They had blackberries, then

831
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: they had iPhones, and all of a sudden, you know

832
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: you were connected seven. I was constantly working. I was

833
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: constantly on a plane, flying across the world always, and

834
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, hey, at the end of the day. People

835
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: would say to me all time, and you're a workaholic,

836
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm not. This is what and who

837
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: I am, it's not what I'm trying to be. It's

838
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: not what I want to be. It's just part of

839
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: who I am. I'm enjoying myself. This is fun for me.

840
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: I love this. So at the end of the day,

841
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: I never felt like I went to work a day

842
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: of my life. When it started to be work for me,

843
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: it's when I stepped away mhm. Because that told me,

844
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: just like you just described in such great advice to anyone,

845
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: no matter where you're at in the walk of your life,

846
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: to listen to ma'am. When you stop enjoying what you're doing,

847
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: you're doing because you have to. That truly is slavery. Yeah,

848
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: it is. You know, if you if you're chained because

849
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: you have to go because you gotta do this or

850
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: you gotta do that. Now, I know a lot of

851
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: people gotta pay their bills and they gotta do this

852
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: and do that. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. There's always

853
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: an option to continue to look for ways to put

854
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: you in line with your purpose. And if you can

855
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: get aligned with your purpose, it will be so much easier.

856
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: You may you may hey, you may have to be

857
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: in bondage for a few years to do what you

858
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: gotta do to be able to get there. But at

859
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that should be your goal.

860
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: Not money, not this, not that, not how do I

861
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: sleep more and work lass, none of that. What is

862
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: it that I'm here and I'm really designed to do?

863
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: Ye know, what's your purpose? And that's that's That's one

864
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: of the things that I preached my key. It's right. Um.

865
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I've always told my kids, um that if you look

866
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: for a job so to speak, now, there's nothing wrong

867
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: with the work, because you can't staying here you sit

868
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: on your tail all day. You can't stay at home,

869
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: you sit on your gass all day while I go

870
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: pay the bills. I don't mean that, but I think

871
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: that if you're in a situation of where you're going

872
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: to go work somewhere forty hours a week and it's

873
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: somewhere that you hate, and you go do that until

874
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: you're almost just like just pretty much just um, just

875
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: pretty much not living life so to speak. You're you're

876
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: not You're just existing because there's no passion and what

877
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: would you do. But I think if you continue to

878
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: work towards your wife, I think you'll find success. I

879
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: agree with you still and and you know, hey, listen,

880
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm still in and around the business. I still have

881
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: some publishing assets, I still have some artists I'm involved with.

882
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm involved with a really big artist right now. Heritage

883
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: artists were working through both publishing and masters and all

884
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and I've been blessed to still

885
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: be called upon to do that. And you and I

886
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: talked the other day a little bit because we're friends.

887
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: Maybe people out there don't know that we're actually friends.

888
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Maybe they think we're not, you know. And but but

889
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, we talked to the you know the other day.

890
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: And I never and again, I don't live and regret.

891
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't look back, have you know, Um, are there

892
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: things I'd like to change? One thousand percent. Anybody goes

893
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: through this life is gonna have some things that they

894
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: wish they'd have done differently that they didn't. And that's

895
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: all good and fine. But you know what, I just

896
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 1: simply never I never hired a publicist. I never tried

897
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: to put my name in the Marquee lights. I never

898
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: did a bunch of that type of stuff. Was that

899
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: smart or not smart? I don't really know. So far,

900
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: I probably could afford to I haven't missed any meals,

901
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: thank God. You know what I mean, I haven't. I

902
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: haven't ever had to go hungry, So I think it

903
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: worked out just fine. But I never did a lot

904
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: of that stuff. I just followed my passion and I

905
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: had three things that I tried to accomplish. I tried

906
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: to be direct and honest, and it defended a lot

907
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: of people oftentimes right, um, because be at the boardroom

908
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: or the streets, sometimes that truth can be really sharp

909
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: and sting, right, and to say it, then this is

910
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: what it is. Um. And then I also just never

911
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: wanted to be deceptive. I didn't want to be. My

912
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: reputation and my name was very it still is very

913
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: important to me. I can walk into any community anywhere

914
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: in the world and find my way through no problem,

915
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: and that's a gift from God. Out I'm appreciative. It's nothing,

916
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: not not something I creative or something I was given.

917
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: But I can go to the Calihope projects, I can

918
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: go to Cabrini Green, I can go to watch and

919
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: I can walk right through there and I don't have

920
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: any problem holding my head up because people are people

921
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: and it's all good and it's about how you carry yourself,

922
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: the character who you are, and trying to be authentic

923
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: to your earlier point, man, trying to live your purpose

924
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: and be authentic, right, And people recognize that and they

925
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: respect it, and most people want to see you do

926
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: well as a result, you know what I mean. And

927
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: I have a firm belief man, that how you treat

928
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: people in life life is going to reciprocate that to

929
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: you in return. Because and now I'm not asking this

930
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: and this is my own personal opinions. If I don't

931
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: want to, nobody's saying going back and seeing Ryan said this,

932
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: like you're going back to those executives they actually had

933
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: the opportunity to work with them. And you mentioned one earlier,

934
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: Damon Dash He treated people really, really bad when he

935
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: was successful on top. And see the one big misconception

936
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: that people have when they're in power. They think people

937
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: are bowling down to them because they respect them. No,

938
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: it's not that they respect, they're tolerating. They're tolerating you

939
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: because they almost have to at that point because you're

940
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: in a successful situation. You're part of successful situations, so

941
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: they feel like that they may have to take some

942
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: of that crap, that tudition out at that time. But

943
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: the minutes you fall off, instead of somebody giving you

944
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: a hand to reach you, they're gonna push you down

945
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: even further because they're glad to see that happening to you.

946
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: So I've always been a guy getting pulled up into

947
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: situations to where I've never treated anyone bad in my life.

948
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: During my life, I always treated the janitor like he

949
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: was the CEO. And I think how we treat people

950
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: is very very important. I just think that that that's

951
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: what it is now, did you know? You know what?

952
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: Still at the end of the day, And again, I'm

953
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: a long way from perfect, but I keep it one

954
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: hundred You know me well enough. I keep it right

955
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: down in the middle. I say what I feel and

956
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: and doesn't mean I'm right, but I say what I feel.

957
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm authentic about it. I try to treat people the

958
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: way that I want to be treated at the end

959
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: of the day. I'm sure there are a bunch of

960
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: people that can say this that about the other thing,

961
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: and most of them probably don't know me very well,

962
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: because if you do, I really try to live my

963
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: life like that. Do I do it perfect all the time? Now?

964
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: But I I'll tell you what we're talking about, in

965
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: my humble opinion is respect again. Right, If I respect

966
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: you as another man or another human being, then we'll

967
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: at least start out on the right course, right, right,

968
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: And you can destroy that right. You can lose my

969
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: respect for you, right if if if you work at it,

970
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: it's not hard to do. I can lose your respect

971
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: for me if I work at it and show you

972
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: something different than an authentic and straightforward person that I

973
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: know still that you respond to. Okay, that's my choice

974
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: to destroy that respect, right, not not yours. Right, that's

975
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: mine if I if I choose to put myself in

976
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: a position where you're not gonna respect me. Yeah, we

977
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: all make choices. We all make choices. So anyway, we

978
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: got off on that. I took you down a rabbit

979
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: hole a little bit. You get back on your courts.

980
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: It's all good. I want to ask you, you work

981
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: with all of these like brilliant people that wan't to

982
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: become legendary. And when I asked this question, I'm not

983
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: talking about the seal Via Rohans. In the world of

984
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: Mark's Ramy's Who is the best who you who? Who

985
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: would you say is the best executive that you've worked

986
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: with urban music. In urban music, like urban music, Like

987
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: if you had to pick, like from Monst the Dang Dashes,

988
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: the Masterps, the p Diddies, or whoever, who would you

989
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: say was the one that had their stuff the most together.

990
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know them all, guys. So this

991
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: is just based on my experience. You know, Brian Turner

992
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: and Mark's Ramy A Priority will forever being aimed in

993
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: my mind as great urban executives because they were just

994
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: doing what they were passionate about. Too. They weren't really trying,

995
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: they weren't trying to change the world. They were trying

996
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: to just do what they do, you know what I mean.

997
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: And it did change the world, and that was really

998
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: attractive to me. Um. But I gotta tell you, Um,

999
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: I've had so many experiences with fantastic executives, not necessarily

1000
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: only in urban because once I went to the majors,

1001
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: I got exposed to all kinds of genres and I

1002
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: got to work with lots of legendary people, and I'm

1003
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: very appreciative of that. But Jim ury Is is a

1004
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: dear friend of mine, and Jim was a fantastic music

1005
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: executive who worked under Doug Morris for a very long time,

1006
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: but one of the greatest record what is certainly was

1007
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: a cornerstone of building, you know, the largest record company

1008
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: in the world at Universal, and he out me in

1009
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: to run Fontana and I'll forever be in his debt.

1010
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: I can't. I can go on and on about Jim

1011
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: and the things I learned from him about being a

1012
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: great executive music or not. The way he said things,

1013
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: the way he analyzed things, the way he processed things,

1014
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: and I was very blessed to have enough time with

1015
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: him too. And by the way, I'm an acquired taste,

1016
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: So thank you Jim for taking it at some somebody

1017
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: who's an acquired taste, because I didn't taste that good

1018
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: to everybody out there. Jim Jury and those guys like that,

1019
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: those are expected. I'm talking about the guys that were

1020
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: kind of like self made as executive, you know, the

1021
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: guys that were the heads of the of the Jail

1022
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: Bond records, of the No Limit records, and things like that,

1023
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: These freed executives. I mean, you know, how can you

1024
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: not go back to Jay Prince and start there right?

1025
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Jay was I mean, Jay created a culture

1026
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: and genre out of Houston, Texas. That will that will

1027
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: never be erased. He just simply created a movement in

1028
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: a brand um And he's a very very very smart man. Yeah,

1029
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: he has to be, because if you look at what

1030
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: he's done outside of music and himself is incredible. I mean,

1031
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: if you you know, he owns a couple of islands, man,

1032
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: and he has a rank to where you gotta you know,

1033
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: you gotta. You just can't walk to his front door

1034
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: to deliver the mail, right, you know what I mean,

1035
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: you have to go on the drive actually get to

1036
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: his crib. So I think he's done some incredible things, man,

1037
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest thing with him is he

1038
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: did it all kind of on a low too, and

1039
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: he did it on zoom. He did he did it

1040
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: without you know, a lot of these other people and

1041
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: a lot of these people that were talking about had

1042
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: to have money from Corporate America or somebody else. Jay

1043
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: created his own success m from from nothing. M hm.

1044
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: So sorry, J, to keep your name in my mouth

1045
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: this you know, during this podcast the whole time. But

1046
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, I love and respect you, but that's the truth.

1047
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: You've got to put J at the top of the list.

1048
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: He created an entire movement, genre and culture from nothing. Yeah,

1049
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: and you know, personally, like the person today, one of

1050
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: the newest exists and he's not that new. He just

1051
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of he's not that new at this point. But

1052
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: my buddy on Anthony Tiffic, top Dog over TV and

1053
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: another guy man you don't never hearn of his cruise

1054
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: name and no miss you'll never see him on a

1055
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff. And he kind of stays behind

1056
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,479
Speaker 1: the scenes, like I think an executive kind of ship,

1057
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He lets his artists go

1058
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: out and shine. He's not the main headline. Hey he

1059
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: he uh. He's done a fantastic job with Top Dog Entertainment.

1060
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: Another one that you need to mention too is Strange

1061
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: music what Travis Okan and Technology Travis Okwan in Tech

1062
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: nine are not to be trifled with. They've created an

1063
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: empire in Kansas City, Missouri. They've done a fantastic job

1064
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: again to people that I consider to be friends of mine.

1065
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: I think they're fantastic people. For to me, I've had

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Speaker 1: the privilege of working with them on a couple of

1067
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: different versions. Great people from those are my buddies, and

1068
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: they've they've created an empire. Um, you know, you can

1069
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: go on and on. Listen. Sugar Night created one of

1070
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: the biggest brands in the business Death Row Records. Yeah,

1071
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: well you know mom of Sugar Gills. And that's like

1072
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: probably one of the great American tragedies right there, is

1073
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: that he really was on the cusp of being probably

1074
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: the greatest record label black music is black music record

1075
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: label of all time. He was that close. Because you

1076
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: think about it, if he wouldn't have, if he would

1077
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: have just made some better decisions and kind of stayed

1078
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: behind the camera a little bit and kind has made

1079
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: some moves, he would have wound up having eminem He

1080
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: would have probably wound up having bringing TV along. Are

1081
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: really envisioned should one day becoming like the head of

1082
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: Interscope one day. I envisioned that because one thing, if

1083
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: you take away all the bs and the Shenanigans and

1084
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: all that other stuff, he was a really pretty freaking

1085
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: brilliant dude. I mean, you can front on it that

1086
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: that death throws a household name. So even given all

1087
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: the stuff you're referring to, he still created a household

1088
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: name with some some of the greatest artists of our time. Yeah. Did.

1089
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Speaker 1: First of all, you know that the thing was and

1090
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: as you know, with that businessman, I think that sometimes

1091
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: it may be a little necessary to let your the

1092
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: lean on somebody a little bit. But after he acquired trade,

1093
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: you figure outside the trade, he wouldn't got a skinny tall,

1094
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: skinny key I from Long Beach and made him a

1095
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: household name. Don't get me wrong, Pray you had a

1096
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: lot of influence in that. But another level though, no doubt,

1097
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: and you you gotta give props square they're due, right,

1098
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that's what this is really about.

1099
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. You know, any success

1100
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: in life is not come easy. And look, they're always humans, right,

1101
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: always humans that are circling around trying to be a

1102
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: part of that or tear you down. And it's easy

1103
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: to get drunk with success. It's easy to feel like

1104
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm better than you, or I'm invincible or whatever. Those

1105
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: emotions that come up that that you know, we think

1106
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: might now that we're a little bit more mature, it

1107
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: may seem like they're crazy. But man, you know, when

1108
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: you're twenty five year old, you're never gonna die. Oh no,

1109
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: you think you're mortal, You're gonna live forever, right, So

1110
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: it's easy to fall into that trap of not really

1111
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: you know honestly, you know you can you cannot fulfill

1112
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: your purpose to you can be living it and not

1113
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: fulfill it. Yeah, they're just dope. So man, let me

1114
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: ask you this one, because I know you're busy and

1115
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: I ain'tle hold ship the whole night. What's going on?

1116
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: What do you have what you're working on right now?

1117
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: Because I know you've got something incredible going right now

1118
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: that you probably won't even disclose. Well, I've got I've

1119
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: got three fundamental things that I'm intimately involved in. I've

1120
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: got a very large name brand heritage artist that has

1121
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: publishing masters and um UM and those rights that we're

1122
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: working through, which is fantastic. So we're able to create

1123
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: some new intent. We're able to put some contemporary flavor

1124
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: in and around a really really important iconic artist. So

1125
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: we're doing we're working creatively, and we're working on the

1126
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: business side to maximize that UM And I've got two

1127
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: other things. I've got an application that I'll talk to

1128
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: you about that has some patents in around it, and

1129
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: we're getting close to make that announcement that will really

1130
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: change the face of the music experience online. And we're

1131
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: right there. We've got the patents in place. That's fairly confidential,

1132
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: but it won't be long before I'll talk to you

1133
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: about it. Steal and then, Um, I am also a

1134
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: partner in an electronic motorcycle company, so we're just now

1135
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: starting that. As you know, I'm a big motorcycle writer.

1136
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: I think I wrote it to studio to see you

1137
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Um, and uh, oh did I

1138
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: lose you? Oh you're back Yep for a second there,

1139
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: I thought I lost you. But anyway, a UM, I'm

1140
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: a partner in in that company, and we're just now starting.

1141
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: We've got kind of our design in place, and you

1142
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: know this green initiative and the way that the world's

1143
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: going in and away from that carbon footprint. We're gonna

1144
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: try and uh and contribute to that and be a

1145
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: part of that. And I'm excited about that. So those

1146
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: are the three whips, three things I have going on now, um,

1147
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: that that are interesting to me and that I'm passionate about.

1148
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: So God has been great. I'm I'm still you know,

1149
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm still here, thank God. I'm still healthy, and I

1150
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: still love the music. You know, music business, music business.

1151
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: If they'll have me back and somebody wants to pay

1152
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: me a lot of money on part time job, I'm available.

1153
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, man, these guys don't want to

1154
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: pay that much money and that that's like when I

1155
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: had to thought the job, I said, well, man, I'll

1156
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: be losing money because when you go work for those

1157
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: companies they want to have a say so and everything

1158
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: that you got going on, like they were, that's one thing.

1159
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: They said, Well, if you came over the podcast, let's see.

1160
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: Of course, I said, unless you guys got a way

1161
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: to paint me a whole ship to the money to

1162
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: come over and do that exclusively, I said, but what

1163
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: I'll do with my off time is my business. So

1164
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: that didn't work out too well, but I appreciate you

1165
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: coming on man, working to people hook up with you

1166
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: with man. Man, I'm I'm around at info at Spaulding

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: s P A U L D I N G E

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Speaker 1: n T. Edward Nancy Thomas dot com, So Spaulding E

1169
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 1: n T dot com info at you can always reach

1170
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: me there. I'm not hard to find. There's usually somebody

1171
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: around that knows who I am and has my digits.

1172
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: My phone number hasn't changed in twenty five years, so

1173
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm not running from anybody, so that's the same. So

1174
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: if you got my digits, so you can find somebody

1175
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: that has them, all you gotta do is buzz me Terry,

1176
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: just asking it. Okay, there we go, right there. Run.

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01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, brother. Hey, I thank you so much

1178
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: for having me on. I love you man, I want

1179
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: wish the best for you and your family and want

1180
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: you guys to stay healthy and safe. I can't wait

1181
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: to see you again when we all start moving around, brother,

1182
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: and thank you man for time with you. Thank you man,

1183
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: Appreciate you all right, bro,