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Speaker 1: I've never told you compreection of iHeart radio. Samantha, did

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Speaker 1: bad Olympic watcher. That's fine. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: I know that these Olympics, uh were I didn't have

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Speaker 1: watch them on and off. I got to enjoy some

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Speaker 1: I actually watched that in person in Canada. Did you really?

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Speaker 1: I did. It was very intresting, okay, and I don't

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Speaker 1: the Olympics was marred with a lot of controversies around

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Speaker 1: in my head like this is so it's still very heteronormative,

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Speaker 1: something with Bessie Coleman, which I have actually been thinking about.

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Speaker 1: We've been flying a lot lately, so I got a

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Speaker 1: lot of thoughts in they're all over the place, Samantha.

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Speaker 1: But in the spirit of that, we thought we would

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Speaker 1: bring back this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and

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Speaker 1: Samantha and welcome to Stephane Never Told You production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. And today we're doing another female first,

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Speaker 1: a pleasure, so happy to have you. Um, how how

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Speaker 1: are you doing? What's up? I feel okay right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm like trying to make sure that I assessed that

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Speaker 1: been pretty dreary for these last couple of days um

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Speaker 1: what I can with the tools that I have. Did

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Speaker 1: you do the read aloud? I know you did all

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Speaker 1: Make sure I wanted to be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm missing it. I missed it. You did

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Speaker 1: come across all sorts of like really racist and all

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Speaker 1: lot in her life. Well of course, like we all

428
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: need money, but like you know, to be able to

429
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: fulfill her dreams, that could have been something a path

430
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: for her to be able to sustain herself better than

431
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: just like a mode of living that meant, you know,

432
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: I can live, but there is no comfort and I

433
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: can't necessarily fulfill out my dreams. But that was okay.

434
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: You know, she had other goals too. She still, of

435
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: course loved flying, and she was fulfilled in that way.

436
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: But she also wanted to open a flight school for

437
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: black students, and she needed the money, so she worked

438
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: for Coast Tire and Rubber Company in California. She used

439
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: that money she made to purchase the biplane because she

440
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: also wanted to own her own plane. UM and she did.

441
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: She she achieved that it was an old Curtis j

442
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: N four that was four hundred dollars. Here's a part

443
00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: of her character, like she often lied and exaggerated her story,

444
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of up her appearance and you know,

445
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: make things look better on her end. And she told

446
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: reporters when she got that as she ordered three planes

447
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: rather than one. UM when she told him she wanted

448
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: to open an aviation school. And so she would say

449
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: things like this when she thought it would work in

450
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: her favor and to help her get the things done

451
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: that she wanted to get doing, like for instance, she

452
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: would also say There's also instances of her saying that

453
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: she was younger than she actually was, Like when she

454
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: was thirty two, she would say she was twenty three,

455
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, or things like that. But she though this

456
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: paid off and did get her attention, she didn't necessarily

457
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: have the best reputation with everyone, and some people viewed

458
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: her as temperamental and that also the stories she told

459
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: would just sometimes mess up plans for her appearances, like

460
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: she would do double bookings and stuff like that. And

461
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: she also fired managers, several managers up a short period

462
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: of time. But after she did by the plane, she

463
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: the first instance of kind of like a tragedy in

464
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: her life. Well, that's like something that like definitely was

465
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: bad in her life. Like she was flying from Santa

466
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: Monica to Los Angeles when the plane crashed. It stalled

467
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: and crashed, and so she was unconscious when she was rescued.

468
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: She spent some time in the hospital because she broke

469
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: her leg and she broke some ribs and had like

470
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: other harm done to her in other ways. And she

471
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: was released after a few months, but she got a

472
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: cast on her leg and and got out. The plane

473
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: was destroyed, so you know, she worked hard to get

474
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: to buy the plane, but then it was destroyed. So yeah,

475
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: and I keep thinking about how at this time, as

476
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: you said, flying was pretty new, and these planes are

477
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: just thinking about the what must have been very exhilarating

478
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: but also very scary, and that they could just the

479
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: engine just gives out on you and she could have

480
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: easily died right then. Looking at the timeline for a

481
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: lot of the young pilots, it wasn't long. It was

482
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: like a continued pattern for all And I'm like, yeah,

483
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: those airplanes, I just cannot imagine justifying trap that it

484
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: must have been. Seriously, the barn storming didn't last long,

485
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, all the like more regulation and that that

486
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: means it was such a off the cuff, like dvery

487
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: definitely type of situation that that that era didn't last

488
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: super long. Um, And I couldn't imagine walking on the

489
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: plane's wings, Like I mean, I feel like this is

490
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: coming from advantage point of like, you know, there's passenger

491
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: flights are so safe and we're so used to you know,

492
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: we're so used to that, We're so used to driving,

493
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and there's so many safety improvements that have happened, and

494
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to all of the transportation that like,

495
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, looking back, I'm like, I wouldn't have stepped

496
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 1: foot in one of those planes. Okay, like I am good,

497
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: I have step footing one. I wouldn't have tried to

498
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: learn to pilot one. And I definitely wouldn't have tried

499
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: to be on the wings while I was stressing somebody

500
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: else to pilot one. Right, I think I would have

501
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: gotten one. I don't think I would have gotten on

502
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: the wings. But I have somebody who's like, oh, let's

503
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: try this thing that's probably very dangerous. Well, you are

504
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: dared devil yourself. I do know that about you. That's

505
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: what they call me, dared devil reaves. I love it.

506
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: We do have some more for you listeners, but first

507
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: we have one more quick break for work from responsor

508
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you. Spun there. So she ended

509
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: up going back to Chicago, and she did have notoriety there,

510
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: but she wasn't necessarily monetarily wealthy. Um. She made enough

511
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: money to live. So she went back to Texas in

512
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: n and giving lectures became something that was a big

513
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: part of her life. UM that did help make her money.

514
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: She gave lectures and prepared for more flying demonstrations, and

515
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: a note here that over this time she'd been touring

516
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: doing these flights. Um. She wouldn't fly in front of

517
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: a segregated audience, so that was one of her demands.

518
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: She said she wanted everybody to enter through the same gate,

519
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: and that often happened, and when she was flying in

520
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: the North. Her first show in Texas was on Juneteenth,

521
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: and it was segregated. So there were plenty of times

522
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: when she did get people to make these concessions when

523
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: it came to having integrated shows, but that didn't happened

524
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: on her first show in Texas. And she did go

525
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: on to do more shows in the Houston area and

526
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: and she did more lectures as well. Also during those lectures,

527
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: she would encourage black folks to take up aviation. She

528
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: would also show clips of her flights UM and she

529
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: parachuted from a plane herself for the first time in

530
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: September of nine at an air show in Texas. So

531
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: she continued turning the country. She went to Georgia and

532
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: Florida and lectured. She would appear in theaters, she would

533
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: appear in schools and churches, and but she didn't meet

534
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: resistance in Florida for wanting shows that weren't segregated. UM.

535
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, so in Orlando she did have success getting

536
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: an integrated show. But all this time she's touring, and

537
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: during all these lectures, she was also still dreaming about

538
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: opening her aviation school. She was looking for financial support

539
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: for that as well, so because that doesn't come without

540
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: a cost, and so that's still in the back of

541
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: her mind. And in her Georgia and Florida exhibition flights,

542
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: she flew borrowed planes because her plane having crashed, but

543
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: she did end up earning enough money and getting money

544
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: from a friend to buy another surplus Jenny, which is

545
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: what they call the JAM four that she had found

546
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: in Dallas. So there was William Wills, who was a

547
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: mechanic and a pilot. He flew the plane, the one

548
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: that she had found in Dallas, from Dallas to Jacksonville

549
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: for her after she earned enough money to buy it.

550
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: Um The plan was in pretty poor condition, so it

551
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: wasn't great, but she had been invited to fly at

552
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: the nine May Day celebration in Jacksonville that was sponsored

553
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: by the Negro Welfare League, and that was important to

554
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: her because, as we discussed at the top of the show,

555
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: like she got she had support, but she didn't have

556
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: a ton of support for it to be able to

557
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: raise money for the endeavors that she wanted to to

558
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: be able to attain, and so it was important to

559
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: her because this was a notable black organization UM that

560
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: could potentially help her get closer to her dream of

561
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: opening an aviation school. Unfortunately, like this hurt, she couldn't.

562
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: She was never able to realize that dream because she

563
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: died early. So this was on April thirty, the day

564
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: before the event. William Wills the mechanic and pilot, and

565
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: then Bessie. They took the plane out for a test

566
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: fight before the big show. He piloted the plane and

567
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: she was sitting in the back and he had his

568
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: seatbelt on, but she didn't have her seatbelt on because

569
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: she was looking over the plane trying to survey the

570
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: fields below and get a sense of everything. And she

571
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: was planning a parachute jump for the next day. But

572
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: after they were in the air for not that long,

573
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: the plane went into a dive and untail spin and

574
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: it flipped over and that threw her out of the

575
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: aircraft and that killed her. Um. They were really high up,

576
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: you know. William he stayed in the plane, but he

577
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: also died. It crashed and caught on fire. And after

578
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: that happened, some people believed that William Wills made the

579
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: plane lose control. They blamed him, said he was guilty

580
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: of order. But it ended up turning out that there

581
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: was a wrench that was used to service the plane

582
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: that had slid into the gearbox and made it spin.

583
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: So like, as you mentioned, like already something that seems

584
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: so dangerous to do in the first place, like because

585
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: there weren't so many stops for things that could happen,

586
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: accidents that could happen like that as there are now.

587
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: And also the plane was old and like you know,

588
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: was already in poor condition. Um. Yeah, that's something so small,

589
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, that could seem so insignificant as a wrench.

590
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: That's something that can into people's lives and you know,

591
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: affect so many others based on the people that Wills

592
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: and all the loved ones for for William Wills and

593
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: for for Bessie Coleman, you know, we're affected by by

594
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: their deaths. And also all of the people who you

595
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: know aspired to be aviators. Um, all the people who

596
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: didn't know who they would learn from Bessie Coleman were

597
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: affected by her death. That was you know, the end

598
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: of her story. Unfortunately, like she lived a pretty she

599
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: only lived into her thirties. Um. And there were funeral

600
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: services that were held for her a couple in Florida

601
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: and went in Chicago that out to be wells presided over,

602
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: and she was buried at Lincoln Cemetery in Chicago. And

603
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: so the we's been said that, like, you know, her

604
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: achievements didn't really get the recognition that she had earned.

605
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: While she was alive, there were people who supported her,

606
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: who encouraged her to who came to see her shows,

607
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: who acknowledged the fact that, you know, she had to

608
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: learn French, and then she went to France to study

609
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: flying and then came back to the US and talked

610
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: herself up, which I'm an advocate for. Actually, I'll just

611
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: stop to stay here. Talk yourself up, because if you

612
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: don't do it, nobody else will. Oh yeah, like you said,

613
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: you gotta have especially when she's trying to drum up

614
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: like people to come to a show, you gotta have

615
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: this public persona herself up. Oh the way, I'm all

616
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: for it too, And we've been taught for so a

617
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: lot of that's not okay and it's indecent for women

618
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: to do and see her doing it and doing it

619
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: well and being able to succeed for the time that

620
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: she could, that was inspirational do it. Yeah. Yeah, she

621
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: had a lot of support at the funerals though, So

622
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: there were thousands of people that attended her Chicago funeral.

623
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: And she's also been honored in many ways since. So,

624
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: she was on a stamp, a U S stamp in

625
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: nineteen there were pilots who fly over her grave since

626
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: like annually since nineteen thirty one. Um, there were black

627
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: women pilots who started a club that named after her

628
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. And yeah, she's been honored like

629
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: with street names and stuff like that. So her contributions

630
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: to flight, you know, not just Women's flight, all flight

631
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: and have been recognized in ways since. So yeah, her

632
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: story unfortunately into early and I feel like it always

633
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: really sucks to hear like somebody who care so much

634
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: about being a pioneer in the area, but not because

635
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: like I'm going to be a pioneer in this area.

636
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: Is like I just want to do this thing, you know,

637
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Wherever the impetus comes from, whether that's brothers who like

638
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: are teasing you, or whether that's like stories of you

639
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: reading about and you just you know, imagine that for yourself,

640
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: m end it early for her. But UM yeah, I

641
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: think that it's good too that we can talk about

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Speaker 1: her today and we do still know a little about

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Speaker 1: her story. Yeah. I mean, it's it's tragic ending. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but I just respect so much of so much of

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Speaker 1: She found a way to get what she wanted and

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Speaker 1: she did. It was a pretty short time all of

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Speaker 1: this went down. Um, and she had these like morals

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Speaker 1: that she's really outspoken about or or things that she

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Speaker 1: just stood stood for. And was this inspiration to you

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Speaker 1: a lot of people at large, but then women and

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Speaker 1: black women. UM yeah, it was an amazing story. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we're talking about it. So, UM, do you have

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Speaker 1: any designs, any plans to fly now? Annie? I actually, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even lying. After I read this, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder if I could get a pilot's license. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's gonna be I'm gonna hit you up for

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Speaker 1: that during the apocalypse. If you do get your pilot's license,

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Speaker 1: can you please be on my team so you can fly,

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Speaker 1: So where if we need to escape? You're right, You're right.

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Speaker 1: I need to start. I need to start upping my apocalypse.

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Speaker 1: Like I love when you play video games, they're like

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Speaker 1: what character do you want to be? And you can

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Speaker 1: look at all their skills and it's like, can dive underwater?

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Speaker 1: Can fly plane? I need to be building up that list. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. I think if I've got a pretty decent

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Speaker 1: list already, but I'll add flight to it, Eaves, and

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Speaker 1: I'll be on your team. I gotta figure out my skills.

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Speaker 1: Say I'm gonna bring something to the table. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're you, and I can be the skill who actually

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Speaker 1: find the people who are better at things than us.

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Speaker 1: Scout is Scout have that. I like that. I like

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Speaker 1: that always just thinking, always thinking, Samantha smarter, not harder,

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Speaker 1: get someone else to think exactly. I love it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I she has inspired me to potentially become a pilot

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Speaker 1: one day. So her story is still having an impact

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Speaker 1: and that's great. Later yes, yeah, um, well, thank you

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Speaker 1: as always, Eves. It's been a delight. Where can the

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Speaker 1: good listeners find you? You can find me online, you

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Speaker 1: can find online. I'm like, I'm hesitant to like you know,

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Speaker 1: tell people on the internet, because that means I have

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Speaker 1: to be on the internet. But you can find me

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Speaker 1: um online Eves jeffco on Twitter. Um, I'm also um

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Speaker 1: on I'm Popular. Can listen to me on Unpopular, the

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Speaker 1: podcast about people in history who did really amazing, really

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Speaker 1: provocative things. And you can also listen to me on

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Speaker 1: happen in history and people in history and you may

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Speaker 1: hopefully learn something. Definitely learning does come out strong and

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