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Speaker 1: Can't do.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to tell you. Yeah, I appreciate you'all having me.
Speaker 5: Man, come on, man, yeah, long time coming with the
Speaker 5: greatest they ever do it.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to start off with beef.
Speaker 1: I want to start there first because I think I
Speaker 1: think I think that's how we kicked this off. Okay,
Speaker 1: you've written some very very incredible, incredible records. Incredible, Jay,
Speaker 1: how long have we know doing I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know, at least at least at least
Speaker 1: I diedst Have you ever gotten up, Dwayne Pack? Have
Speaker 1: you ever gotten hey, nigga, pull up? I got some.
Speaker 1: He's been so busy at the top of the charts
Speaker 1: with the Okay, listen, fine be minus god.
Speaker 4: Shut out.
Speaker 3: I'm just listen.
Speaker 5: I just got to say I was honored to be
Speaker 5: on the t g T, the first t g T
Speaker 5: album between the lines.
Speaker 1: Between the lines, you said, the first, only one t
Speaker 1: g T album.
Speaker 4: Oh well, then listen, they never got too You say
Speaker 4: the first we got the demos. Hey, well that's even
Speaker 4: more than the one and only t g T album.
Speaker 4: Absolutely between the lines, what the honor it was.
Speaker 3: About?
Speaker 1: That's why we didn't get the album to This is.
Speaker 3: Neither the Hey, somebody said that the comments, I was
Speaker 3: looking at them. He ain't that good. He's just saying
Speaker 3: with his chest out it was on.
Speaker 1: Somebody else thinks that I got tagged.
Speaker 3: I said, oh they glad ray.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, when I say the women attacked him, that
Speaker 1: that nigga that said that same with his chest and
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 3: Ain't that good?
Speaker 1: Whatever you're here to see? Hey, listen, huh, I got
Speaker 1: I got, I gotta off listen. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have the talented moment where I'm like, please respect my
Speaker 1: un No. If you want to tip me, tip me,
Speaker 1: I'm with.
Speaker 3: It, welcome all nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't care why you there, Just get the ticket.
Speaker 1: I take care of the rest.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. Oh my god, listen, listen. You already know, man,
Speaker 5: that's what. That's a phone call away anything you need.
Speaker 1: I am issue. That's what I'm here pulling out an
Speaker 1: amber alert right now.
Speaker 4: Certain certain people, certain people.
Speaker 3: It's not even an ass.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's actually a certain person a certain persons.
Speaker 6: Only Chris gets your records. Everybody else has to wait.
Speaker 6: He thought I was about to say some other ship.
Speaker 3: Nigga, here's all right for the world. Oh my god, you.
Speaker 1: Know what it's. It's like that within itself is like
Speaker 1: is a blessing, a very high level blessing that you're
Speaker 1: that your frequency connects in a way to what he does,
Speaker 1: like you guys, connection musically, It's just it just makes
Speaker 1: fucking sense.
Speaker 5: He was the first artist to give me a shot.
Speaker 5: First one, he didn't care about what did he do?
Speaker 3: What? What is he written? What's this guy?
Speaker 5: It was never knowning that, and I can say that
Speaker 5: he's been It's not even just with me. I've heard
Speaker 5: that with others.
Speaker 1: But everybody.
Speaker 5: That's how if you got records facts Chris Brown, which
Speaker 5: means it's about the music, give an opportunity.
Speaker 1: It's about the music, about the music, because he's a
Speaker 1: rare artist that believes that I got the sa I
Speaker 1: just need. I just need the saucy people I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need the name facts. I need where's the
Speaker 1: sauce set facts? It's a nigga sitting at first Baptist,
Speaker 1: been a constal. Just got bottles of the sauce, bottles
Speaker 1: of it, bottles of it. No, nobody knows nothing about nothing.
Speaker 5: Absolutely right. And you don't find a lot of people
Speaker 5: that dude that where it's just about the music.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. They checking to see, well,
Speaker 4: who's he working.
Speaker 6: At the highest level, especially the highest Absolutely. But since
Speaker 6: we since we're talking about sauce, let's take it.
Speaker 1: Back sauce that's specific race, you know.
Speaker 6: What I mean, Let's take it back because you know,
Speaker 6: off camera we was arguing about it. He was arguing
Speaker 6: about it. You know it like the base, like the bat,
Speaker 6: like thea. You from a place that got plenty of sauce.
Speaker 5: About Kansas City, Missouri, like the Missouri And then listen,
Speaker 5: because I know it's two sides of Kansas, and I
Speaker 5: rock with both sides.
Speaker 1: But I know that you're from the Missouri side.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But but there are some good Kansas side people, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, really good, really, I'm cool with
Speaker 5: a lot of them.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it like.
Speaker 3: Now y'all liked it, but for me, y'all like the.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: You mean, surprising amount of people that don't know the difference.
Speaker 5: I mean, Yo, So you're from Kansas, right, No, I'm
Speaker 5: from Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: So like were Dorothy, sir, Sir, we didn't pay in
Speaker 4: any of them guarro geography, none of the geography.
Speaker 6: But it is ultimately like if San Francisco and Oakland
Speaker 6: two different states, right, right?
Speaker 3: Facts, fact, very much.
Speaker 6: That's tough, right fact, because it's literally just a bridge
Speaker 6: that separate.
Speaker 1: That's true. Right, If you go to the base of Bridge.
Speaker 4: But when you get to talking about bro but when
Speaker 4: you get to talk about Dorothy and all that listening,
Speaker 4: that's hours away from where I But everybody didn't know that.
Speaker 5: I understand, I understand, but I'm not where from where
Speaker 5: Dorothy is from. I'm from the Home of the barbecue.
Speaker 1: You know that? Did you say? Y'all call it the
Speaker 1: home of the barber? Like y'all the home of the barbecue? Like,
Speaker 1: ain't nowhere else making fire barbecue fire? You said Gates right.
Speaker 5: Fire subjective? Gates is definitely there's another one put on
Speaker 5: to Jackstack. And you haven't had Jack Stack get that
Speaker 5: in your life, Jack Stacks.
Speaker 1: From the Home of the Barber. Absolutely, ain't no other states.
Speaker 1: There was a state in the Yeah.
Speaker 4: There are some representatives for sure.
Speaker 6: Saint Louis is still Missouri's. So that's just that's under
Speaker 6: the it's under the act.
Speaker 4: They got barbecue, Wow, they might.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't have no barbee.
Speaker 1: I know they got soul food with a certain rip.
Speaker 4: That's a sweetie by Okay, you out.
Speaker 6: Here taking It's what I'm saying. Memphis don't got Memphis.
Speaker 1: Yeahs y'all Memphis got barbecue because you got to get
Speaker 1: you attacked in the I.
Speaker 7: Think you're going it's us, if it's Texas, might Texas, no,
Speaker 7: no fact texts.
Speaker 4: If we're talking about the best, are we talking about
Speaker 4: the best? Are we talking about good Barbara?
Speaker 1: I think I think if we're talking about good like
Speaker 1: good Barbara, I don't I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: a chain can compete with with that.
Speaker 4: Okay, with that.
Speaker 1: Elder, with that elder gentleman standing in front of that
Speaker 1: that that that old barrels every good. Listen, my great
Speaker 1: grandfather used to be dipping and stuff and making the
Speaker 1: barbecue and talking and spinning at the same time.
Speaker 3: People love that's good, like big.
Speaker 1: Mother.
Speaker 3: Because now it's as a grown man, I understand. But
Speaker 3: you are right when it's loving it though, like and.
Speaker 1: What you're doing.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's different because a lot of people take pride in it,
Speaker 5: especially from like from your memphisis and your Texas and
Speaker 5: in case he like, they take pride for.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know what I'm saying. I think when life
Speaker 1: is like connected to something too, and it's like when
Speaker 1: it's like when it's that, when it's that guy and
Speaker 1: his family and and every you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday
Speaker 1: day out there and the kids is out there with him,
Speaker 1: and we need this. So I ain't got no I
Speaker 1: don't have no choice but to make sure this is
Speaker 1: rocking off the chap every time time you pull up.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So that's real.
Speaker 1: Okay, So speaking of cooking, okay, okay, when did you start?
Speaker 1: I want to get it toeg got you do you
Speaker 1: start getting your cooking on with people? Was like, hey,
Speaker 1: that you get that young man an apron and.
Speaker 3: It is great. Tell me when g Win five years old?
Speaker 1: Love that young age.
Speaker 5: And Casey like most people from the church Christ Temple
Speaker 5: Pentecostal Bath is crazy. Christ Temple Pentecostal Church.
Speaker 3: But that like because you you messed up.
Speaker 6: It was almost like, well they changed the name across
Speaker 6: the color lines in the gang.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll be asking, church is wild. They did
Speaker 3: change the name.
Speaker 1: Now it's just praise practices.
Speaker 4: It's praise practices. Boom.
Speaker 1: So how you celebrate okay, all right, how you sell
Speaker 1: the lame in terms the lame?
Speaker 4: How Christ Sample Phenecostal Church and we're part of the
Speaker 4: p A W denomination And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's raising worship. Oh listen, that's who A W is.
Speaker 3: That's Braiser.
Speaker 4: Dang, that's crazy p A W.
Speaker 6: I'm just asking you know what, I don't know. I
Speaker 6: need to check the history on the name of p
Speaker 6: A W. It might leave be learning you something that's great.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: I got your church niggas.
Speaker 8: Oh no, no, no, also assemblies. Okay, is amazing.
Speaker 3: Dame, come on, Jay, that's the church. I'm gonna stark.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to suck.
Speaker 5: It might be some of that going on in some
Speaker 5: of them, for sure, But yeah, Pen the Coast of
Speaker 5: Man moms director of the choir, and she used to
Speaker 5: make me get up there and sing man and.
Speaker 4: I no, I hated it. I used to have stage
Speaker 4: right when I was little.
Speaker 5: Somehow I learned how to tap out and just I
Speaker 5: don't know how, Like anytime I would get up and sing, like,
Speaker 5: I'll be able to tap out, but the nerves is
Speaker 5: one thing, I'll just be like, oh my god. And
Speaker 5: so that's why I take my hat off to I'm
Speaker 5: leave it on right now, but I take my hat
Speaker 5: off to.
Speaker 4: Artists that like it's nothing like you can get like
Speaker 4: y'all just get up and just like it's nothing like
Speaker 4: no nerves, no unless.
Speaker 5: You know, like me and just able to just it's
Speaker 5: a light switch, you can just turn it off. But
Speaker 5: that was how it was, man. I just I would
Speaker 5: be able to turn it off. And then my dad
Speaker 5: he played the organ. It's funny because he'll call me
Speaker 5: now I've been getting ready go on sessions.
Speaker 4: He'd be like, who you work with today?
Speaker 5: I work with such such they play the organ, Dad,
Speaker 5: not in every session. You know, they're not playing organs
Speaker 5: in the sessions, but uh, you know, depending on what
Speaker 5: the vibe is for today. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: He looks for the organ. But he played the organ,
Speaker 5: and he used to try to get me to play
Speaker 5: the organ. I would sit up there. I got a
Speaker 5: twin brother, both of us. He tried to get us up.
Speaker 4: I had me sit right next to him on the organ,
Speaker 4: and I just would be like, dog, I'd rather be
Speaker 4: doing with everybody else doing right now. And then I
Speaker 4: took Suzuki piano training.
Speaker 1: What is that, bruh.
Speaker 5: One of the most intense piano trainings. Uh, not necessarily
Speaker 5: just piano. I believe violin like there's different forms of it,
Speaker 5: but it's a Japanese style of piano, and I absolutely
Speaker 5: hated it. I used to have to practice every single day.
Speaker 5: I say, I grew up in the house where you
Speaker 5: couldn't watch TV through the week. It was like, oh,
Speaker 5: you want to watch Martin tape it? You watch it Saturday.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was I had no TV all week, but I
Speaker 1: did have it.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a TV in my room.
Speaker 1: Pentecosta, That's what that is.
Speaker 7: You want to know what though, Wait, what's crazy?
Speaker 4: I don't even know that anything to do with church
Speaker 4: for my dad.
Speaker 5: If it was my mom, probably if it was my dad,
Speaker 5: it was probably like, no, nigga, you need to practice
Speaker 5: and that's all.
Speaker 4: That's all it is. Do your homework.
Speaker 5: He he was big on studies, big on on on practicing.
Speaker 5: And so it was an hour of that and I
Speaker 5: have people come over, friends, come over, cousins come over,
Speaker 5: no matter what the day is, You do your hour.
Speaker 5: Not yet, all right, go do your hour? And I
Speaker 5: sit due to the hour, and they playing my Nintendo.
Speaker 4: They doing you about done yet You're done with your lessend?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Not yet? Man, So they having all the fun, bro.
Speaker 5: But I hated it. I absolutely hate it. But hindsight
Speaker 5: is twenty twenty. I wish I would have stuck with
Speaker 5: it though, you know what I mean, if I knew
Speaker 5: I was gonna be doing music when I got older.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was just super intense.
Speaker 1: Was he Do you feel like he was preparing you
Speaker 1: for this?
Speaker 4: Not for this?
Speaker 3: No, because I don't even know. I think it had more.
Speaker 4: To do with discipline.
Speaker 1: Well, he's big.
Speaker 4: On discipline, you know what I mean. He was big
Speaker 4: on that and and and you know, if you're gonna
Speaker 4: do something, do it all the way. Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 5: He was like, I'll tell you what because he knew
Speaker 5: he hated, Like when you turned fifteen, if you still
Speaker 5: don't like it, you can stop.
Speaker 4: It might have been twelve. What are we talking about?
Speaker 4: But they I turned it then I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm done. I'm done. I'm so.
Speaker 5: Is your brother Sauzuki out to never at the time?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, both of bro both of us. I
Speaker 5: do an hour, then.
Speaker 4: He do an hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're done, all right.
Speaker 1: Your turn.
Speaker 5: But see then he but he grew up because his
Speaker 5: mom played, so he grew up under the same principles
Speaker 5: say his mom just it wasn't no Suzuki like that
Speaker 5: his mom played in the church and she was blind
Speaker 5: and an amazing piano player. But he he grew up
Speaker 5: under the same under that same principle and the same
Speaker 5: principles and practices, and so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just you know, paid it forward, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean to us?
Speaker 5: But my brother and I both and I yeah, like
Speaker 5: I absolutely hated it, But again today I wish I.
Speaker 4: Would have stuck with it.
Speaker 5: You know, you don't really find sessions where you like
Speaker 5: unless you're a session musician, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean, if you're a producer, you're not
Speaker 4: reading music like that.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: You played by ear, and now I wish I would
Speaker 5: have like learned how to play by ear. That you
Speaker 5: know that I think goes a long way in what
Speaker 5: we do. You know, whether it's piano, guitar, whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Wait, did you do did you or were you self.
Speaker 1: Taught or did you tried? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's they put me in the middle. C But cool,
Speaker 1: you had to, but you had to I had to early.
Speaker 3: So what made you want to do it?
Speaker 4: Though? You know what I'm saying, Like, what made you say? Boom?
Speaker 4: I'm about to learn it sounds.
Speaker 1: I heard something that as a key I couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't shake like I heard. I heard the chords and
Speaker 1: and notes together and and it would it would do
Speaker 1: something to my soul as a kid, as a five
Speaker 1: year old kid. And I gotta learn it so that
Speaker 1: I can feel that feeling all the time.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: And that was that was that was my chase.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: The music was like porn for you. You today, you're
Speaker 1: cooking the day. I just asked, watch his niggas explain
Speaker 1: that it's getting hot, it's getting warm over here. It
Speaker 1: was like it was like a feeling. And you know,
Speaker 1: I always tell people when I heard Charlie Brown's Christmas,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. I will never forget it to
Speaker 1: this day. I will watch it Charlie Brown's Christmas to
Speaker 1: day when they play christ Charlie Brown Christ on the radio.
Speaker 3: Turn up.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I need it. Wow, just different wow. And I and
Speaker 1: I chased it until until it sounded like what I heard. Wow,
Speaker 1: added many fingers I could add. And I just sit
Speaker 1: at my grandma on my grandmother's piano.
Speaker 4: Just yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish I had all day, all night.
Speaker 5: I wish I had that I wonder if I didn't
Speaker 5: have it because I was forced to board with you.
Speaker 1: Know what, force is tougher, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Because I but do you feel like because I come
Speaker 5: from the forest, right, but do you feel like it
Speaker 5: was the same?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like I don't want to
Speaker 4: do it?
Speaker 1: No, It's so funny.
Speaker 6: I think that's why he and I have such good
Speaker 6: chemistry because we come from two different sides of music
Speaker 6: of coming into music, you know what I mean. Like, ultimately,
Speaker 6: my dad, even though he was a street guy, he
Speaker 6: was so engulfed in loving music that he was like,
Speaker 6: my kids have to do music. Wow, this is the
Speaker 6: way out. This is all of these things. So even
Speaker 6: you know, we go back and forth and we laugh
Speaker 6: a lot about I'm like, bro, you're a music nerd, right,
Speaker 6: And it's funny because I've almost ran away from being
Speaker 6: a music nerd because he'd.
Speaker 3: Be like, well, nigga, you know that you gifted and
Speaker 3: you know that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Just one day I could see.
Speaker 6: But it's because, like you're saying, being forced to practice, dude,
Speaker 6: this instead of discovering it, like his is pure discovery.
Speaker 1: Discovery, you know, his is pure discovery. So it's only
Speaker 1: the joy of it.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at the whole block outside and my family
Speaker 6: can't go outside, and all he's doing is doing this step.
Speaker 1: Side over outside outside with my kids.
Speaker 3: Don't we want to go outside? Like outside?
Speaker 9: Wait?
Speaker 4: I couldn't wait.
Speaker 1: I would right or go outside?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I couldn't wait.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 5: But that was My bikes never caught flat because my
Speaker 5: tires were being used.
Speaker 3: They said all weekend, we can borrow Jay's bike.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You any bikes in my house got flats right down, bro,
Speaker 6: because the kids won't get on.
Speaker 10: Them and go.
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, not just spend me my kids fifteen?
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm cool off this.
Speaker 4: I was done with it.
Speaker 3: I was done.
Speaker 1: But were you done with anything pertaining to music at
Speaker 1: this point? Were you writing at that time? Were you're
Speaker 1: doing so?
Speaker 4: I so I was in a I was in a group.
Speaker 1: Come on, group, but come on, girls, the name of
Speaker 1: the group, you know, come on, bro, you got you
Speaker 1: have to You can't just say I'm on. It's part
Speaker 1: of the Army Money podcast.
Speaker 4: It was a church group. It was a gospel group.
Speaker 5: A to J A the number two Jay addicted to Jesus, crazy.
Speaker 3: Addicted to Jesus.
Speaker 7: Listen, that was the name of the group. See then
Speaker 7: what they introduced you a to j coming up? It
Speaker 7: sounded like cool, we got addicted Jesus.
Speaker 1: Next, I am from the man that right there? Did
Speaker 1: they say? Addicted? What Jesus doing?
Speaker 3: Hey, I tell you what Jesus? Tell you?
Speaker 11: What?
Speaker 1: Nice? Though? Listen? Oh my god, how many guys in
Speaker 1: the group? Five?
Speaker 4: Me? Five got me, my twin brother, my cousin Titus. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: I did not know that. All right, this we'll get
Speaker 4: into this, get into this. Titus is how I got
Speaker 4: started writing writing, John.
Speaker 6: This is great, Okay, all these years I've known you
Speaker 6: and known him, I didn't an idea.
Speaker 5: Titus is how I got into writing songs at fourteen.
Speaker 3: So we're in this group. We're in a dick. Oh
Speaker 3: you forgot you. Get shout the other guys. You got
Speaker 3: shout all.
Speaker 4: Your I'm tripping, shout all you guys.
Speaker 5: It was me, my brother, my twin brother, Jermaine, my
Speaker 5: cousin Titus, my cousin Caleb, and my cousin Deonte. So
Speaker 5: five guys, okay, so all family too though, All family,
Speaker 5: and start there was a there was another guy in
Speaker 5: there justin when we when we started then he he
Speaker 5: was a little older than us, and then he went.
Speaker 4: Off to school.
Speaker 1: I love that you or your brother got the twin
Speaker 1: names too. Ye he's going on for your.
Speaker 4: Same middle name too, Ray Same. But that was that
Speaker 4: was what it was.
Speaker 5: So growing up, we're singing, and I mean I think
Speaker 5: we might have been eleven when we started, ten eleven
Speaker 5: somewhere around there, and so we're singing a lot of
Speaker 5: like of course, uh like you know, we were singing
Speaker 5: Minis standard of course. Yeah, him was our goal to
Speaker 5: so we were singing some Minis Standard commission of course.
Speaker 5: But around fourteen, I find out that my cousin Titus
Speaker 5: with some of the other songs that we were singing.
Speaker 5: I find it and I'm thinking at the time that
Speaker 5: these are just songs that are out, and then I find
Speaker 5: out these songs that he wrote. Yeah, I'm like, like
Speaker 5: what like? And then he showed me that we had
Speaker 5: either thirteen or fourteen. He showed me like how to
Speaker 5: write songs, and that was how that was how it started.
Speaker 5: And then we just I stuck with him those next
Speaker 5: couple of years, like we would go through the middle school,
Speaker 5: high school, and then.
Speaker 4: Writing songs for the group. And that was how we
Speaker 4: got into I'm telling you nice though, like nice, real nice.
Speaker 1: So where y'all performing? I just going from church to church.
Speaker 4: The whole city.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like any like churches, festivals around the city, like
Speaker 5: they were calling us to come sing at all of those.
Speaker 5: But even before the group though, like as a kid,
Speaker 5: so my dad played as I mentioned, and he.
Speaker 4: Were liked his little father son dudo.
Speaker 5: Man, we ended up I'd be singing that stuff throughout
Speaker 5: the city, like different functions. They'd be having different fundraisers.
Speaker 5: It'd be him on the keys, me singing, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was really where like that wasn't
Speaker 1: taking Jermaine with.
Speaker 5: Your Jermaine wasn't that none of the latest performances at all. No,
Speaker 5: he was wherever he was. Yeah, he didn't have no
Speaker 5: part of that.
Speaker 4: I'm cool Jermaine. Jermaine wanted to.
Speaker 5: I think as we got older, Jermaine got the bug
Speaker 5: for music. But yeah, it never uh it never stuck
Speaker 5: with him, you know what I mean. He was also
Speaker 5: like more in like the finding. He ended up going
Speaker 5: to getting his degree in like financing economics and that
Speaker 5: and that kind of thing whatever.
Speaker 4: But he's Jermaine Sings. It's still to this day singing
Speaker 4: a church every Sunday, praising wordship to this day right now,
Speaker 4: next Sunday he's up on the stage guaranteed.
Speaker 5: So it would be my dad and I going around
Speaker 5: seeing all these I don't even know how he's booking
Speaker 5: these these gigs like all around the city, and I would, yeah,
Speaker 5: we would go out there and show up and sing
Speaker 5: a couple, a couple of number numbers and and do
Speaker 5: our things.
Speaker 4: But I was again like I never growing up.
Speaker 3: I never was like.
Speaker 5: Comfortable, like just like like super comfortable, like singing in
Speaker 5: front of people like that. But for some reason I
Speaker 5: was able to always flip it off and do what
Speaker 5: I need to do, and that actually carried over into
Speaker 5: getting into the industry. I would be able to turn
Speaker 5: off whatever the nervous switch is.
Speaker 4: And not and not making the moment bigger than.
Speaker 5: Than what I was there to do, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, Like I somehow I was able to always
Speaker 5: do that, so it carried over all the way through.
Speaker 4: But I've never just been like you know, like I
Speaker 4: love like me.
Speaker 5: Jump out and you know what I'm saying, which I
Speaker 5: feel like to be an artist and to be a
Speaker 5: successful artist, I think you have to enjoy what you
Speaker 5: do because there's so much other stuff that comes along
Speaker 5: with being an artist that at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it has you have to love what you do. It's
Speaker 5: got to come back down to the love. I love
Speaker 5: what you know what. I hate this, that, that, and that,
Speaker 5: But I love getting up and singing and performing and
Speaker 5: doing what I do. I think it all comes back.
Speaker 6: That's why I only sing sometimes, bro, But because for me,
Speaker 6: I don't get the same I don't get the same
Speaker 6: joy out of it.
Speaker 1: That tanked up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 6: I see it up close with him because you know,
Speaker 6: we've we've taken this ride together to where we'll be
Speaker 6: dealing with all the foolishness to business, all this stuff.
Speaker 6: And I can see him and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 6: it's weighing on him a little. And then as soon
Speaker 6: as he's walking towards the stage, he don't care about nothing.
Speaker 1: That we with, the switches flip and I'm still like,
Speaker 1: I want killing and you want me to come.
Speaker 3: Out and say you want me to trying to tie.
Speaker 4: Wait, let me ask you, do you feel like, that's
Speaker 4: something you're born with.
Speaker 1: Though, what's that?
Speaker 5: That what he was just saying about you? The ability,
Speaker 5: like the I don't know if it's the love for
Speaker 5: it or whatever. I think you're born with it. I
Speaker 5: don't think it's something you can teach. I don't think
Speaker 5: it's something you can learn. I think it's something that's
Speaker 5: innately in you.
Speaker 1: I think you're born with it. It just depends on
Speaker 1: how you how that space is defined for you, Like
Speaker 1: for me, that space is untouchable for anything, for anybody.
Speaker 1: That is my space.
Speaker 3: Was it always that way?
Speaker 4: Did you always look at it that way?
Speaker 1: No? I was always happy in it. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to define it or what it was,
Speaker 1: or even how to protect it. For that matter, I
Speaker 1: get it. And so for me, once I learned that, man,
Speaker 1: when I'm up here, nothing else matters and learned I
Speaker 1: learned it from a crazy place, from being on stage,
Speaker 1: being extremely happy, being extremely fulfilled, and being extremely broke.
Speaker 1: Huh broke, uh divorced, all of that and none of
Speaker 1: that mattering that moment. Okay, and this is when you're
Speaker 1: singing background, are are you? This is when I'm doing
Speaker 1: just you know, a little random shows, keep the lights on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm Tank. Okay, Okay, I'm Tank. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I got maybe I deserve, I got
Speaker 1: one man out and yeah, and I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where the happy is that I
Speaker 1: can all where I can always get there. And I
Speaker 1: realized that in music on stage in that studio, nothing
Speaker 1: nothing else fuck matter. Wow, Like okay, wow, okay, Because
Speaker 1: because I had allowed the stress, the stresses of life
Speaker 1: to weigh me down so crazy to where it affected everything.
Speaker 1: And then one day consciously I said, I'll never do
Speaker 1: that again. I'll never let anything disrupt the gift, disrupt
Speaker 1: the space that the gift lives in. And so it
Speaker 1: wasn't always like that.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I had to adopt that that's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: And I was through the fire and know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was like, it's all we got to go
Speaker 1: through all this ship just to get on the stage.
Speaker 1: It's crazy when that mother fucking music come on. When
Speaker 1: we get them push up here and we pumped that
Speaker 1: chest because you know they want to see it, put
Speaker 1: them in ears in and were taking that walk. It's
Speaker 1: a different thing.
Speaker 3: It's a whole different different beings.
Speaker 6: No, I I listen, but that's not something you wanted. No, Nah,
Speaker 6: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't and and I didn't notice like writing song
Speaker 4: professionally like was even a thing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like we were doing that just out of shure, like
Speaker 4: sheer we I love, like this is dope.
Speaker 6: Like so you were because being from a place like
Speaker 6: Kansas City where so rich in music, you guys had
Speaker 6: so many talented people come out of Kansas City, come
Speaker 6: out of Kansas and Kansas and miss both sides, Missouri
Speaker 6: and Kansas.
Speaker 1: And even even though someone like.
Speaker 6: Olivia Harris a Damon Thomas who were a generation before
Speaker 6: you were you guys watching that.
Speaker 4: I never knew anything about any of that.
Speaker 5: Now, never did. And it might be just because I
Speaker 5: was so like in like the church, Lane, So it
Speaker 5: might be because of that. Now I say in the
Speaker 5: church like, but I did, like one of the things
Speaker 5: was like like I grew up in the church. But
Speaker 5: I also it wasn't like I could I could also listen.
Speaker 1: To the secular secular music on weekends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Saturday, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Striking it. Nobody said none of us.
Speaker 3: Entertainment, the timing was intable. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 3: I could listen to the song.
Speaker 6: Now he's having to remember, like the song, like the song.
Speaker 3: I can't watch the TV, but I can listen.
Speaker 5: I can listen to I can listen to the songs.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't it wasn't of course, nothing like with
Speaker 5: No cousin or nothing like that.
Speaker 4: But R and B for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, for sure, my mom, I only knew the ready
Speaker 1: versions to n w A and I would wrap them
Speaker 1: at school and they would laugh at me. The radio
Speaker 1: A young I can't wait to have.
Speaker 6: You to rap along with it, Oh my god on
Speaker 6: the podcast and wrap with te like I'll wrap with
Speaker 6: war G.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. The radio version is crazy. But I could.
Speaker 3: I could.
Speaker 4: My mom she was, she was the gospel listener.
Speaker 5: But my dad and so my dad, that's really where
Speaker 5: I got like it was such a diverse listening palette.
Speaker 4: So it was all the R and B.
Speaker 5: But then my dad also I would listen to be
Speaker 5: Michael McDonald and and Bobby called Well and like Steely
Speaker 5: Dan and then to be a whole which I mean,
Speaker 5: that's a whole other thing. But because they learned from yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: so you know what I'm saying, but that was where
Speaker 5: I learned all that, and and I never associated a
Speaker 5: skin type with any of that music. And so for me,
Speaker 5: I always thought, like growing up, I thought Mike McDonald's black,
Speaker 5: Bobby Carwell.
Speaker 4: Was black listening to those voices, and then as you
Speaker 4: get it's like, m h wait what but I like, I.
Speaker 5: Just I just started reading Michael McDonald's biography and he
Speaker 5: talks about like his whole influence it was was brothers, buh,
Speaker 5: like the whole his and he's not, you know, ashamed.
Speaker 4: About it, like he's like, oh yeah, like I.
Speaker 5: Was listening to this day and so so yeah, so
Speaker 5: for my dad that was where like everything it would
Speaker 5: be like Chris Cross, like that was where I got
Speaker 5: onto Christ like everything.
Speaker 4: He listened to it all and so a lot of
Speaker 4: that early on was just.
Speaker 5: Kind of like poured into me essentially creatively as well,
Speaker 5: and I didn't probably recognize it then, but yeah, singing
Speaker 5: literally that was something from five I would perform with
Speaker 5: him through the city until I was probably thirteen, fourteen
Speaker 5: fifteen somewhere around there when I quit this zookie piano.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was where it all started.
Speaker 1: Are you getting some of the money y'all making.
Speaker 4: I know you know what, No, I don't think. So
Speaker 4: now I need to have a talk with Dwayne Senior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: Hey, let me all let you that.
Speaker 1: I listen. You had a place to live a barbecue. Yeah, ye,
Speaker 1: lights right?
Speaker 3: Ain't sweet because he's like, yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 3: he was getting booked.
Speaker 1: I know, I didn't want to say I can tell
Speaker 1: you how.
Speaker 3: I can tell you how you getting booked?
Speaker 12: We're talking about that's crazy, that's funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, we want make me and little Dwayne,
Speaker 5: we're gonna come down. We're gonna do a couple of numbers.
Speaker 1: That's your spot handle the bit.
Speaker 3: I know everybody else got these they got these grown
Speaker 3: up groups. I got a little Dwayne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna love him. You gonna don't love him. Juice,
Speaker 1: it's all you need, apple apple juice. You're gonna cut up,
Speaker 1: make it, make the envelope.
Speaker 4: Making it.
Speaker 3: With more seen.
Speaker 1: Ye, his name Dwayne?
Speaker 3: Who just right?
Speaker 4: Dwayne?
Speaker 1: When moore a nation's bank? Hey, no, I get what
Speaker 1: the man wasn't.
Speaker 3: It the game? Game like that?
Speaker 13: Don't say my name Dwayne like that?
Speaker 1: That's today.
Speaker 4: I see they called jal.
Speaker 3: He got a organ.
Speaker 9: Gott hey, god, oh my, he got organ crazy talking
Speaker 9: like that.
Speaker 1: He ain't got no walking.
Speaker 12: Talking talking like that, he ain't got no order. Really, yeah,
Speaker 12: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: You starting stopped, all right? All right?
Speaker 3: Oh, I just wanted my guy to recognize he had
Speaker 3: been done.
Speaker 4: Like me, when you were talking earlier, I could have
Speaker 4: told you he was. I can have told you was
Speaker 4: booking this, Bro.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, point all on past cross crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: That was literally that was it, bro, That was that
Speaker 3: was where where it all started.
Speaker 5: And then we then we kind of kept that going
Speaker 5: until everybody went off to college and did there did
Speaker 5: the thing. But I was still like writing and again
Speaker 5: like I didn't know anything about like writing for people
Speaker 5: and that thing.
Speaker 4: Like we was writing for us, still writing just J
Speaker 4: for a to J, still writing for a to J.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So that was what it was.
Speaker 1: And when does the light bulb go off? Is there
Speaker 1: is there somebody who from an actual music business standpoint
Speaker 1: that takes some notice or you end up in a
Speaker 1: room somewhere and people hear some things and like hey
Speaker 1: you know that, No.
Speaker 5: That was that was a ways down the line. Honestly,
Speaker 5: so Titus. It actually Test moved Titus.
Speaker 4: And Brian moved out here around Uh. They moved out
Speaker 4: here not.
Speaker 5: Too long after after high school, like right after high
Speaker 5: school moved out. But Titus moved out and I went
Speaker 5: off to college. I think Titus went to college for
Speaker 5: a year, but he he uh, he came out here
Speaker 5: and uh he had an older brother that was already
Speaker 5: out here who was at a gospel group at the
Speaker 5: time too, And so Titus had moved out here.
Speaker 3: First, I was in college.
Speaker 4: I actually was playing football and so I was a
Speaker 4: safety and so I played. Actually, my focus was.
Speaker 5: On football when I graduated, My focus was on football.
Speaker 5: We would I mean we would still do we would
Speaker 5: do music like when I would come home for like
Speaker 5: breaks or something like that.
Speaker 1: But but I was.
Speaker 4: Focused on football.
Speaker 5: I I went to Juco Junior College, played there, and
Speaker 5: then I transferred to UAP b for for for a
Speaker 5: couple of years and finished out my time there, but
Speaker 5: played ball there and then from there.
Speaker 3: I was drafted.
Speaker 4: So the NFL.
Speaker 5: Your NFL had a European league at the time, So
Speaker 5: I was drafted to NFL Europe to the Berlin Thunder.
Speaker 4: So I played I was. I was over there for
Speaker 4: a second.
Speaker 1: Are you really played football?
Speaker 5: I did for for for you, locked in, locked in.
Speaker 5: I was locked in on on football. But you know
Speaker 5: what's crazy, this lady somebody told me one.
Speaker 4: Time, and this is when I was like heavy football
Speaker 4: for me, it was actually my my dreams were NFL.
Speaker 4: So I was like, that's my that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: Bo I'm so I'm doing.
Speaker 5: I'm having tryouts Chiefs and Raiders and Colds, different people
Speaker 5: before I got sent to NFL Europe. And then this
Speaker 5: lady I come home, somebody told me one time she said,
Speaker 5: actually I think it was Mike I mother to tell
Speaker 5: me that.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but she was like you. She came
Speaker 4: up to me, she approached me. She was real nervous
Speaker 4: and she was like.
Speaker 1: She was like yeah.
Speaker 5: She was like, the Lord put it on in my
Speaker 5: spirit to tell you that. And I just been kind
Speaker 5: of going back and forth with it, well I should
Speaker 5: tell you or not? And she said, but he told
Speaker 5: me to tell you that music is what you're supposed
Speaker 5: to be doing and not football. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: thank you, Like thanks for that word. I got bladed.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Ex is that how you cuss people? God,
Speaker 1: bless you, God, bless.
Speaker 3: You God, let you appreciate you crazy. That was definitely
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 1: You fully focused.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't hear none of that. Yeah, I wouldn't hear
Speaker 5: any of that. I was headed to the NFL Europe
Speaker 5: and so I was doing trial to get try. I
Speaker 5: never made a team though, I never made an actual team,
Speaker 5: so I didn't make the chief.
Speaker 1: What was your forty four four one was moving four for.
Speaker 5: One, So I got when I got driveted to the
Speaker 5: NFL Europe, I got moved from safety to running back
Speaker 5: because I was like two thirty five too, that was
Speaker 5: a big safety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they were like, yeah, we're gonna go ahead
Speaker 4: and running back. So I got moved to running back.
Speaker 4: But so what's where I felt Where I felt the pool,
Speaker 4: where I felt the cause Again. This whole time, I'm
Speaker 4: still writing and so I'm still were still doing music
Speaker 4: and I'm writing songs. This was like two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: I think, somewhere around there. And so this was where
Speaker 4: when I started.
Speaker 5: See the two thousand and eight Yeah, I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 5: Titus was out here. And then I started like realizing
Speaker 5: and learning about like writing for other people that you
Speaker 5: could write for other people. Yeah, and this is why
Speaker 5: I'm in training camp. And while I'm like trying out still.
Speaker 5: So when I was supposed to be studying my playbook, man,
Speaker 5: I'm writing songs.
Speaker 4: So I'll never forget.
Speaker 5: I was in training camp in Tampa, in my roommate
Speaker 5: doing training camp, he studying his playbook.
Speaker 4: He hear me write, and so I'm saying, man, what
Speaker 4: you uh? What's that was just some songs, right, like
Speaker 4: you writing songs. It's like yeah, He's like it sings.
Speaker 5: Some more that sounds crazy, like let me hear some one.
Speaker 5: So uh, I'm doing that. I'm doing that the whole time.
Speaker 5: And then I would go back to like studying my playlis.
Speaker 5: But I could feel the music pulling me harder at
Speaker 5: that Around this time, I started feeling the music pulling
Speaker 5: me harder than football was, which was crazy because it
Speaker 5: had always been football.
Speaker 4: That was it, that was the only that was that
Speaker 4: was my only focus. But I started really.
Speaker 3: Feeling it pulling me.
Speaker 5: And and I remember because some guys man like when
Speaker 5: you when you've done that, whether it's football, basketball, anything,
Speaker 5: if you've done something your whole life from a kid
Speaker 5: or from middle.
Speaker 4: School, and then all of a sudden, one day is
Speaker 4: cut off and you can no longer.
Speaker 5: So it's like some of the people play in the
Speaker 5: NBA or NFL, It's like, all right, you done, Like
Speaker 5: you all of a sudden can't get picked up by
Speaker 5: a team, So now what do you do with the
Speaker 5: rest of your life?
Speaker 3: You've done this one thing for so long. Now it's like,
Speaker 3: what else are you gonna do? So I've had I know.
Speaker 5: People that like struggled with it and had to like
Speaker 5: actually get help to like to deal with the mental
Speaker 5: the mental aspect of that, like, Okay, how do I
Speaker 5: how do I just all of a sudden forget about
Speaker 5: what I've been doing and find something else to do
Speaker 5: with my life? Thankfully, thank God, like I did not
Speaker 5: go through that, because again, like I felt the music
Speaker 5: starting to pull me a little tugging on me a
Speaker 5: little bit harder than the football.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 5: When I got cut the last time, when I got
Speaker 5: cut from the team, I remember saying to.
Speaker 4: Myself, I'm done.
Speaker 5: I'm done with I'm not, I'm not, I won't do
Speaker 5: any more trials, no, nothing like, and then they try
Speaker 5: to I got a call to the Frankfurt Galaxy of
Speaker 5: the NFL European League.
Speaker 4: They wanted me to come come out like mid.
Speaker 1: Season, and I was like, and how old are you
Speaker 1: at this point?
Speaker 4: Oh twenty.
Speaker 1: Two?
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty two, I think something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so.
Speaker 5: But I but I knew because again at this point,
Speaker 5: Titus was sending me tracks, like because we weren't in
Speaker 5: the same city, he was just sending me the tracks,
Speaker 5: and I write to the tracks, and and I'm trying
Speaker 5: to think if Brian was sending me tracks at this time.
Speaker 5: I might have been getting tracks from Brian around this time.
Speaker 4: But I remember being like, yeah, I'm done, Like, let
Speaker 4: me figure out how to do this music thing, like,
Speaker 4: let me just figure this out. So I ended up
Speaker 4: moving back to k C. I moved back to k
Speaker 4: C for a five minute, and I was because I
Speaker 4: was still unsure, I like about the whole music thing,
Speaker 4: like as far as like, how do you do music?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So what I was gonna do because my dad was
Speaker 5: a dentist as well. I ain't seen he was a dentist.
Speaker 5: He said, wait, nigga, what he was a dentist?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it. He was a dentist.
Speaker 4: And so I came back home and then I went
Speaker 4: to finish school, finished college. So I was like, maybe
Speaker 4: I'll go maybe I'll go be a dentist. So I
Speaker 4: started taking courses. Bro, I'll never forget I took. This
Speaker 4: is what actually made me be like, you know what, No,
Speaker 4: it's not the dentist thing for me. Man.
Speaker 5: I took finite mathematics and calculus, and Bro, finite mathematics
Speaker 5: and calculus, and I passed with a C. And you
Speaker 5: could not have told me it wasn't an A. I
Speaker 5: was like, niggas that as hard as this class, I
Speaker 5: got a C.
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, I probably don't need to
Speaker 4: do the rest of this, uh prerequisites, We're gonna go ahead.
Speaker 4: The people don't want to see Dennis. They probably want to.
Speaker 3: Want to do they don't want to they don't want
Speaker 3: to see Dennis. They gonna want that a Dennis, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 6: So I, uh yeah, after that, Bro, all the signs
Speaker 6: you're getting, all the sign a least you didn't fail.
Speaker 1: Though you didn't fail, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't feel but Bro, that's he felt like as hard
Speaker 4: as I study for it, I was like, yeah, that
Speaker 4: took a lot. We're gonna we're gonna go ahead, stop
Speaker 4: stop the buzz right here.
Speaker 3: You can let me out right here.
Speaker 6: So it's it's tight as playing the records for people.
Speaker 6: Do you even know if that's happening.
Speaker 4: That A little bit after that, A little bit after
Speaker 4: that around that had to be like maybe nine nine,
Speaker 4: I think it was when it was, because that's when
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I'm not doing domble school.
Speaker 4: Let me like really figure out this music.
Speaker 5: So yeah, Titus and Brian because I was writing to
Speaker 5: Brian's tracks at this time too.
Speaker 4: Because Titus and.
Speaker 5: Brian when you're in a band together, you remember, they
Speaker 5: had a band, the live stuff, and they started but
Speaker 5: they started that in KC. So they would like play
Speaker 5: it all the like all the spots around k C.
Speaker 5: And then I would come out and like singing some
Speaker 5: of the joints around the city or whatever. But they
Speaker 5: were like, you know, I was like, oh yeah, my
Speaker 5: dad was like they out there doing they doing anything,
Speaker 5: doing their music. But I didn't as far as I knew,
Speaker 5: I thought they were out here like gigging, like like
Speaker 5: just playing for.
Speaker 3: Oh you didn't know that they I thought it was
Speaker 3: like placing records.
Speaker 4: I thought it was like playing for people.
Speaker 5: I didn't know what placing records was, and I quickly
Speaker 5: learned because because Brian like landed something, I think I
Speaker 5: gonna see Era and then and then it was Disturbia.
Speaker 4: Forever for Chris Brown, and then like it was like off.
Speaker 5: And so, yeah, we were doing songs. I was just
Speaker 5: I was sending them joints back and forth. And then
Speaker 5: I visited out here for the first time. What's that
Speaker 5: the first Yeah, it was the first time. My other
Speaker 5: cousin and I we visited out here, and then we
Speaker 5: were just like doing records, doing songs in the studio
Speaker 5: out here. So my first time ever in like an
Speaker 5: actual like studio studio, which was dope.
Speaker 3: I still remember.
Speaker 5: It was off of uh, off of this is the
Speaker 5: Lancashim or Violent. It was like a little almost like
Speaker 5: a hole in the wall type joint too, though, like
Speaker 5: right by that you remember that, like it used to
Speaker 5: be like a KFC and a Blockbuster, like right everywhere
Speaker 5: and what.
Speaker 1: It's like a weird little where violin intersect intersect.
Speaker 5: It was right over the studios, right over there, and
Speaker 5: I remember walking in that studio because it was more
Speaker 5: like a little like apartment turned studio. And I remember like, oh,
Speaker 5: so this is a studio. This don't look like the
Speaker 5: This don't look like the studios. It don't look like
Speaker 5: the pictures.
Speaker 1: Like that might have gave me the wrong pamphlet.
Speaker 3: At the right place, y'all might get wrong amphlet.
Speaker 5: But we broly locked in and then I went back
Speaker 5: to KC for a second and then uh, and then
Speaker 5: we ended up doing a deal with Brian and that's
Speaker 5: what that's what made the like move official. Actually, it
Speaker 5: was crazy. I moved out here without knowing that I
Speaker 5: actually was moving out here full time like that. I'm
Speaker 5: just just like I came out and never went back.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how it goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah really, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I still remember my pop's telling me what this was like. Later,
Speaker 4: my pop's telling.
Speaker 5: Me, I didn't even know you had moved, Like I
Speaker 5: thought you just but I didn't even know you had moved.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, me either.
Speaker 6: I didn't tell nobody I was moving. Really, I came
Speaker 6: to l A and I just didn't go back. Wow, damn,
Speaker 6: that's exactly you know what I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker 6: That's exactly how I was on this floor. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna stay at the studio. It's just my mindset at
Speaker 6: that time, being a young guy that just yeah, was
Speaker 6: looking to fulfill my dream. It was never like oh
Speaker 6: yeah yeah. And then we got the moving yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I didn't have no friendis shure, he no moving drug.
Speaker 3: It was me in my clothes. Dang.
Speaker 1: So you so when you say you did a deal,
Speaker 1: so you.
Speaker 3: Signed publishing deal, you tried to publishing deal with Brian, with.
Speaker 5: Brian Uh, Titus, Caleb, Uh, my cousin Caleb, who was
Speaker 5: also in a to J.
Speaker 4: All three of us, we all ended up. We all
Speaker 4: signed a deal with Brian at the time, a publishing
Speaker 4: deal at the time. And that's what like made the
Speaker 4: whole move like official, official official. But yeah again, like
Speaker 4: I came out here just thinking we're about these songs.
Speaker 6: But then like it was like, oh now he would
Speaker 6: talk you up so crazy, Brian, what man, man, oh
Speaker 6: you got your dayne Browne bro got here doing like
Speaker 6: he just constantly.
Speaker 5: I still remember the first track that the first song
Speaker 5: we did together, like I wouldn't I hadn't even thought
Speaker 5: about moving out here. He was out here because this
Speaker 5: was I think after his Sea era, but it was
Speaker 5: I think it was before forever and disturbing.
Speaker 3: I still remember that.
Speaker 1: It was the.
Speaker 5: The level of production compared to like other people I
Speaker 5: would work with, like in Casey or like.
Speaker 3: It was just different.
Speaker 1: Bros. He talks about that all the time. As far
Speaker 1: as just having local ears.
Speaker 6: Me, it's a thing, sure, having local, It's absolutely a thing.
Speaker 3: It's a thing.
Speaker 1: Man. You don't realize.
Speaker 3: You don't even realize, not even your fault and so what.
Speaker 4: But before I jumped ahead a little bit before, actually
Speaker 4: before Caleb.
Speaker 5: And I moved out here, we were doing so we
Speaker 5: were writing it. When we were writing some was in KC.
Speaker 5: We were writing him in a bathroom that we turned
Speaker 5: into a studio.
Speaker 4: He had a townhouse and we converted the bathroom. We
Speaker 4: had like a little styrofoam little joints had it up
Speaker 4: the bathroom and that was.
Speaker 3: And that was the move.
Speaker 4: That was the booth.
Speaker 5: We slided slid the microphone in there and then and
Speaker 5: then taught ourselves how to engineer, how to cut the vocals,
Speaker 5: to do all that.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, like he gotta you start figuring out
Speaker 3: your whatever. However, whatever he sets up for you is
Speaker 3: your way is to push record.
Speaker 4: I want to say.
Speaker 5: We started in like fruity loops or something like that though,
Speaker 5: which was crazy, and then and then and then started
Speaker 5: he was really like becoming the engineer, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, for real, for real.
Speaker 4: And then he was just like it got to.
Speaker 5: A point where he was just like cut me, cut
Speaker 5: my vocals. And then I would yeah, like the ha them.
Speaker 4: That's where all that's where all that started.
Speaker 5: But it was, yeah, I remember when when we when
Speaker 5: Brian's track started really like coming through like that.
Speaker 4: It would be like, why do you joint sound like
Speaker 4: they're on the radio, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: just just different.
Speaker 6: But that was a blessing in itself though, big time
Speaker 6: to have big time someone who already had number one
Speaker 6: records just sending joints back.
Speaker 1: To k C big time, that big time.
Speaker 6: I always always really loved that about your whole crew
Speaker 6: even and I say crew meaning that just the guys
Speaker 6: that come from Kansas City. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, not
Speaker 6: y'all work together. But yeah, there is this there's a pipeline.
Speaker 6: There's a there's a pipeline to the music business real
Speaker 6: for the talented guys in Kansas City. The way, you know,
Speaker 6: like I meet obviously it starts with with with Vio
Speaker 6: and Damon. But then from meeting Vio and Damon, I
Speaker 6: meet Little Ronnie. From Little Ronnie, I meet Brian, Brian Kennedy,
Speaker 6: I meet you and Titus, And you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: you know what's crazy?
Speaker 5: I never which again, like I told you and I
Speaker 5: it might have been just because I because of the
Speaker 5: Thurst Day, I never knew the history of who came out.
Speaker 6: Of a cy you know what I'm saying, like the
Speaker 6: group Talent and Marlin Bro. I never which is I
Speaker 6: found that outlet?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and so as far as I knew, like
Speaker 5: at that time, it was like I just knew Brian
Speaker 5: was like out of KC.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like you said, Damon, it's a whole.
Speaker 6: It's a man of really really talented guys, especially in
Speaker 6: the R and B space.
Speaker 4: I just as of like we did.
Speaker 5: I spoke on a on a panel back in Kansas
Speaker 5: City like about a year and a half ago, two
Speaker 5: years ago, and just met.
Speaker 3: Jay White.
Speaker 5: Yeah, also from there, mad cool like Mad Cole and
Speaker 5: I'm just like, you don't even know each other about
Speaker 5: bro No, no, m hm.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not at all, man, but but so we yeah,
Speaker 5: it's crazy, like so we were doing that. We would
Speaker 5: we would send stuff back and forth. During the period
Speaker 5: though before when Titus was still in KC.
Speaker 4: We were working out of this studio we working out
Speaker 4: of this guy had built a studio and he was
Speaker 4: tired with this was at the time like where you
Speaker 4: had to save everything on the Titus having to save
Speaker 4: everything on the computer.
Speaker 5: It was a trit and I think he would have
Speaker 5: to save everything on there, all the track on there
Speaker 5: or something like that. And I remember, like this guy
Speaker 5: when we were using the studio, and I remember Titus
Speaker 5: would come in and be like.
Speaker 4: Why am I tracks being erased? How come I we
Speaker 4: just did this last night.
Speaker 3: Now it's not on here.
Speaker 4: Like I think Buddy was erasing his like the tracks because.
Speaker 5: I think they're like he wanted to do music as well,
Speaker 5: from what I understand, like the guy wanted to do
Speaker 5: music as well. But then Titus just kind of like
Speaker 5: was kind of like really making some leeway and he.
Speaker 1: Was purposely a racist track.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what what we kind of felt like
Speaker 4: might have been.
Speaker 3: I thought you was gonna say, well, he just didn't
Speaker 3: really know, I remember we talked about it.
Speaker 4: Titus would be like, hey man, this is happening way
Speaker 4: too much, like I don't understand what.
Speaker 3: And then and then the ice of the cake. Prophet
Speaker 3: Todd Hall, you know, Prophet to Hall.
Speaker 5: He came to Kansas City one time to our church
Speaker 5: and he prophesied, he said, and he told, he told
Speaker 5: the guy, he said, that studio that you built, that's
Speaker 5: not for you.
Speaker 4: That's for Titus. That's for him. He didn't know Tic
Speaker 4: his name, but he was like, that's for him. So
Speaker 4: then the guys come then that might have put a
Speaker 4: little bit more.
Speaker 1: Studio you built.
Speaker 4: You thought it was for you, but that's for him.
Speaker 4: So the guy's like, well, I guess I need to
Speaker 4: give you a te key, Titus, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But but for some reason, Titus was like we would
Speaker 5: show up the next day after we were work. We
Speaker 5: would write the stuff and show up and like the
Speaker 5: track is gone.
Speaker 3: That was going on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: Then right after that time, it was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm about to just go ahead and get abouy there,
Speaker 4: take it back right back to La. So then he
Speaker 4: moved right back out here. And that from that point
Speaker 4: right after that little after that we saw.
Speaker 1: With Brian, your name, your name is is in really
Speaker 1: high standard.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: I it really is like I've never met anybody.
Speaker 4: It's like I think it Dawayne.
Speaker 1: You hear that about a lot of people, the majority
Speaker 1: of this ship.
Speaker 4: When you really look at it, your name is really all.
Speaker 5: That's all, and it's it's it's almost like a credit
Speaker 5: since either got good credit or you got bad credit.
Speaker 3: If people hear your name and they like.
Speaker 1: But another part of that too, right, like you can
Speaker 1: be you can be very very gifted and and not
Speaker 1: check the facts the character box.
Speaker 3: But true, very true.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's such a limited run when they
Speaker 1: finally find reason to not let you die because they
Speaker 1: don't really want you in that ring again they're tolerating dang,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So the fact that you
Speaker 1: have the combination of gifting character is like, wow, why
Speaker 1: you all? You all? You're always going to get the
Speaker 1: call man man, man, man, wow and and delivered like
Speaker 1: like there's that there's there's there's an art to being
Speaker 1: a joy to be around. Yeah, yeah, right right, there's
Speaker 1: an art to that. Man, there's an art to walking
Speaker 1: into a room and being appreciative that you're there, working
Speaker 1: like it and acting like it and delivering like it.
Speaker 5: I think also too, like everybody's not a good collaborator. Ye,
Speaker 5: so well, I mean, which is I guess it's really
Speaker 5: what you was es sense of what you were saying.
Speaker 5: But everybody's not a good collaborator.
Speaker 3: So being a.
Speaker 4: Co writer writing with if you're not just doing one
Speaker 4: hundred percenters, you ain't printing this thing out here, you're
Speaker 4: right with other people, you have to know.
Speaker 5: You have to also know the personalities that you're working with.
Speaker 5: Some personalities you have to be able. You you might
Speaker 5: be an A type personality.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 1: You have to know.
Speaker 5: Like, there's certain people that I work with where I
Speaker 5: know I need to let them get out whatever it
Speaker 5: is that's up there.
Speaker 4: I know for me, I'm not gonna lose I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna lose it.
Speaker 1: That's there.
Speaker 4: I know what I'm tapping into what I need having to.
Speaker 5: There's certain people you work with where it's like if
Speaker 5: you don't let them just get it out, they lose
Speaker 5: it and.
Speaker 4: Then you no longer have them in the room. They're
Speaker 4: no longer there. But they're no longer there, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So to bring the best out of
Speaker 4: who you work, you have to know the personalities that
Speaker 4: you're working with and what brings the best out of
Speaker 4: that person, you know what I mean. Like, I think
Speaker 4: a lot of that, A lot of that goes into.
Speaker 1: That's a skill in itself, man, that's a skill in itself.
Speaker 1: You have to listen, you have to watch, You have
Speaker 1: to then you have to you have to know absolutely
Speaker 1: and then like he said, and still be able to
Speaker 1: keep your thought.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts exactly, you know what I mean, Because people
Speaker 6: get lost in theirs too, like, oh damn, what was
Speaker 6: I And then if you can identify that that's that
Speaker 6: type of personality and that's the person you're like, like
Speaker 6: you said, let them flush theirs.
Speaker 4: Out, yeah, one one thousand per man.
Speaker 1: And then you know who you can and can't work with.
Speaker 1: But and then, as we're speaking specifically to Chris Brown,
Speaker 1: you got to put your track shoes on. The boy
Speaker 1: is different, man, he's onto the other song sho He's different. Fast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's different. Because how how old was he when
Speaker 4: y'all like matter or when y'all worked with it?
Speaker 1: Fourteen?
Speaker 5: He was fourteen, Yeah, which is also too Like this
Speaker 5: is I think people don't, you know, they don't take
Speaker 5: into account like fourteen years old being thrown into a
Speaker 5: music industry where you're like, I remember him telling me
Speaker 5: early on. I think he might have been like fifteen something,
Speaker 5: but when he was just like send him to Atlanta
Speaker 5: and he's working with I forget who all he was
Speaker 5: working with it.
Speaker 3: You get that record deal and they trying to find it, bruh.
Speaker 5: But he's telling me like where they taking him to
Speaker 5: and some of the stuff. He's extracurriculous, as you know.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, as a fifteen year old or fourteen,
Speaker 5: fifteen year old, like, how do you how do you
Speaker 5: how do you deal with the fact that, like you're
Speaker 5: going from cause his story is crazy, like like it
Speaker 5: was almost overnight for him, like from playing.
Speaker 4: Basketball on his school team to no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you you about to you about to go do this?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. But y'all saw it early
Speaker 4: on with him, and I feel like he's just he's different. Man.
Speaker 4: Most people would have been most people you probably wouldn't
Speaker 4: even know, you wouldn't hear from him anymore. You're like,
Speaker 4: what in the world, like if they had gone.
Speaker 5: Through and started that early and then really going through
Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff that that bro's going through.
Speaker 5: I think it the nasty and the determination and the
Speaker 5: resiliency like to keep keep doing you, and not only
Speaker 5: keep doing you, but there's something to whether you're a
Speaker 5: Chris Brown or you a Tank or Dwayne or Jay whoever,
Speaker 5: there's there's something to also knowing how to separate. Okay,
Speaker 5: am I trying to please? No, I'm not trying to please.
Speaker 5: Let me just I mean, let me work for it
Speaker 5: and do who I know rocks with me, and just
Speaker 5: like That's one thing with Chris is I'm like Chris
Speaker 5: knows who his he knows who his fans or Chris
Speaker 5: ain't trying to win over new fans.
Speaker 4: What I'm not trying to win over new fans. I
Speaker 4: know what that I know what that's about. I know
Speaker 4: who's there.
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 4: Let me put one hundred percent into that.
Speaker 1: Do you take that same mindset as a writer.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I don't need to win anybody ever.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you just trying to write the best song you can.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 5: If you like it, you like it, I love it great.
Speaker 5: But I'm not trying to win anybody over. If I
Speaker 5: can show up and be the best of me, if
Speaker 5: I can be better than I was yesterday. Missus, you're
Speaker 5: still write every day, absolutely every day, and maybe not
Speaker 5: Saturdays and Sundays.
Speaker 6: Maybe oh so now you okay, maybe not Saturday. The
Speaker 6: entertainment now is during the week.
Speaker 1: Because on the weekend, in terms of TV, the TV,
Speaker 1: you don't write. No, no, no no, he writes during
Speaker 1: the week. He's still the during the week and then
Speaker 1: on the weekend entertainment, entertainment. Bro.
Speaker 3: I just I love what we do.
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 4: I have a love for it. I absolutely love.
Speaker 5: It's something we're not. We're not doctors, we're not you
Speaker 5: know asked, we're not anything like that. But the amount
Speaker 5: of of your brain that you have to use every
Speaker 5: day to get up and come in and do what
Speaker 5: we do and come up with something. You have to
Speaker 5: make something every single day that doesn't exist yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not out there yet.
Speaker 1: It's car magic, it's magic.
Speaker 3: You have to literally go.
Speaker 4: You have to wake up every single day and invent
Speaker 4: something that does not exist.
Speaker 6: We have a friend, we have a friend, very accomplished,
Speaker 6: very successful doctor. Doctor, Come call yourself doctor, Superman.
Speaker 4: Come on, doctor Superman.
Speaker 6: He he told me one time, he said, I retired
Speaker 6: a long time ago. He said, I just I just
Speaker 6: work with you guys. I was like, what do you mean,
Speaker 6: You just work with us?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Because I met him through Boys to Men, Oh shoot right,
Speaker 6: And he was like, I just work with I just
Speaker 6: work with entertainers and musicians because the world needs you guys. Wow,
Speaker 6: And we need you guys to live as long as possible.
Speaker 4: Dang.
Speaker 1: And I never thought about that any.
Speaker 3: Like bro Necessary. We were out in Florida, Bro Me
Speaker 3: and him riding around.
Speaker 6: And we're just talking about music and about life and
Speaker 6: about you know, the things that he's done in his business.
Speaker 6: And he says, you guys are the only people I
Speaker 6: want to work with. I'm trying to keep y'all alive
Speaker 6: as long as possible because of what you guys do.
Speaker 1: For the world.
Speaker 5: For the world, you know, because we always say that
Speaker 5: like what we do ain't brain surgery, we don't, but
Speaker 5: the enjoyment that music gives the world relief. I'm really
Speaker 5: in the relief relief. I really had never truly thought
Speaker 5: about that until a doctor said that to you.
Speaker 4: So truth, so true.
Speaker 1: He was like, I need y'all to live.
Speaker 3: It's so true.
Speaker 5: Dang wow, what do we have without musicians and entertainers?
Speaker 4: And I was like, damn, that's kind.
Speaker 3: Of so true.
Speaker 9: Bro.
Speaker 5: Wow wow on a grand scale, on a grand scale,
Speaker 5: on a grand scale, that's amazing. Doctor, super doctor, super doctor, superman.
Speaker 5: Doctor shout out to doctor, come, our God, our God.
Speaker 5: But I love that real it's just a real thing.
Speaker 5: And and for you to say I love this, I
Speaker 5: absolutely love what I do. I absolutely love.
Speaker 3: It, and I love like.
Speaker 4: We and y'all both y'all are both you know, no
Speaker 4: matter what genre it is, you know, like being sing
Speaker 4: and all of the like. Bro, Like when you look
Speaker 4: at it, like it all.
Speaker 5: Comes back like that's when I was telling when I
Speaker 5: was little and I thought that I'm listening to like
Speaker 5: Michael mc donald and I'm listening, it all comes.
Speaker 3: Back to R and B dog.
Speaker 4: It all routed back. It's rooted. It's rooted, and you know,
Speaker 4: you put a different voice on it, and you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean, call it whatever you want, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, but.
Speaker 5: It's that's where the root is. That's exactly where the
Speaker 5: root is. And we're amazing at what we do.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite song song yeah, that you've
Speaker 1: written that I've written m or proudest moment song wise.
Speaker 4: Dang, you know what, probably residuals with Chris Brown.
Speaker 3: Because it's because.
Speaker 5: Chris is the first one like to see him having
Speaker 5: such a moment and like with him being like the first,
Speaker 5: the very first you know to ever give me to
Speaker 5: be like, man, I don't care that you got zero placements,
Speaker 5: like I don't care nothing like and for him to
Speaker 5: always give.
Speaker 4: Me the call like probably that one.
Speaker 1: Explain this, give us that, explain that mothers. That's a
Speaker 1: different type of session. Meteor sho.
Speaker 6: Nigga, congrats on another Grammy for y'all to appreciate you
Speaker 6: appreciate you man.
Speaker 5: That that one, that one also means a lot, man,
Speaker 5: because it's with my brother's black tuxedo Domendarius, who y'all
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, have always taken under y'all's
Speaker 5: Wayne you know what I mean. I was telling uh,
Speaker 5: I was telling Eric Dawkins this the other day. Especially
Speaker 5: with them, Man, I say, I say Chris, it means
Speaker 5: a lot of Chris, but it also means it holds
Speaker 5: the same amount of weight because I did it with
Speaker 5: Domendarius too, And they've been grinding just as long as
Speaker 5: I have and have never changed and have always been
Speaker 5: consistent always, And I think that goes so far so
Speaker 5: I so I love that. But we we actually wrote
Speaker 5: that song in twenty nineteen, a long time ago, like twenty.
Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen. He wrote that song.
Speaker 1: Never thought, man, maybe tank, maybe I wasn't fair. I
Speaker 1: wasn't fair.
Speaker 3: Well you know what you getting in the over underby that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: You know what I said, Nigga, I keep hey, domid Darius,
Speaker 3: they got your numbers? Oh whoa.
Speaker 1: Did?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: I think he backed the bus up too after he's
Speaker 1: a mongering.
Speaker 3: Did your brothers right? Let me raise the right?
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Them niggas never played that ship for you. You know
Speaker 1: you mean you know this niggas like no time may
Speaker 1: be at your house? Right, that's race, bro, it's great
Speaker 1: back the Oh hey, they're still out there. We got him?
Speaker 1: Did we get him?
Speaker 3: They didn't move it? They still didn't move.
Speaker 1: That's cold.
Speaker 4: I can't bro no them my brother's man. Twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: We did that.
Speaker 4: We did that back in twenty nineteen, and then.
Speaker 6: Did anybody else have a chance to sing it, because
Speaker 6: if it's a record that's been sitting for that long.
Speaker 4: No, we gave it to Chris right away.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, Chris had it right away. But Chris sat
Speaker 5: on it though, so that was supposed to be on
Speaker 5: the Breezy album. Okay, Chris had recorded it and then
Speaker 5: he sat on it, and of course he did his
Speaker 5: thing to it and brought it all the way to
Speaker 5: life like that. That boy knows how to tap into
Speaker 5: whatever it's necessary. Aliency, it's different.
Speaker 4: And well, Dom and Dom we did it.
Speaker 5: We wrote it and then dom Dom sent it to
Speaker 5: ther legendary Eric Hudson, yes, to.
Speaker 4: To really bring that production of life, which he did.
Speaker 4: You get that guitar right away, just like, oh boy,
Speaker 4: this is where we're going. So yeah, Chris had cut
Speaker 4: it and then he he he didn't put it on
Speaker 4: Breezy and then yeah, he ended up.
Speaker 1: He didn't have it on eleven eleven.
Speaker 3: You're right, dang, you're right. It wasn't on there.
Speaker 1: You want to know when I heard it when sitting
Speaker 1: at my house. Oh, shoot, as they always are, we
Speaker 1: did this crazy joining on Breezy. Man, he's not even
Speaker 1: he's not even putting it on the album, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I was in the mirror.
Speaker 1: They played Residuals. Said Jesus right, I hit c B immediately,
Speaker 1: ship shoot Residuals. Nigga, bro, now what's going on? It's going,
Speaker 1: looks it's going. It's I said, are you kidding me? Residuals.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: I wish I knew you had done that, because I
Speaker 4: think that's kind of how you did me on my way.
Speaker 1: You put me on another Walmart uh deluxe.
Speaker 4: You said, we talked, we start, we talked about Chris
Speaker 4: right now, you know exactly what Yo, that's crazy works,
Speaker 4: it works.
Speaker 1: But I wanted him on the album. I was like,
Speaker 1: where do I put this song? We got a targets
Speaker 1: that's it, target Target. You love targets Target. So you
Speaker 1: hit Chris immediately when you hit the record immediately. I
Speaker 1: wish I knew that, Wow, immediately. I wish I knew
Speaker 1: that because I want to say, because because I hit him,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to make sure he needed it. He
Speaker 1: needed You don't because if you don't, I wait, dude.
Speaker 5: I wish I knew that you had done that. Because
Speaker 5: Black TuS ended up giving people publishing on that record
Speaker 5: that I have nothing to do with that record.
Speaker 4: Huh. And and and because from what I was told,
Speaker 4: the play was run another way. But I wish I
Speaker 4: knew that because I'm like, keep your publishing, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. No, I believe you one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying. I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 4: That's crazy, that's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: And listen, you know that's amazing.
Speaker 4: What a song. Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You know what, what else is fucking song?
Speaker 5: From what I was told, they also played it for
Speaker 5: Usher and Usher passed on it. From what I was talking.
Speaker 5: From what they told me, Usher passed on it because
Speaker 5: Chris has sat on it for so long, sat on
Speaker 5: the record for a while.
Speaker 6: And it's twenty twenty five. I know, that's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 6: came out in twenty twenty four. Yeah, in a while, Yeah,
Speaker 6: five years, long time time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Listen, Yeah, thank you, listen. Thank I heard it in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. That had to be Yeah, that had
Speaker 1: to be said.
Speaker 4: That's going on.
Speaker 1: This isn't This is one of the most incredible records
Speaker 1: I've heard.
Speaker 4: Man, listen this challenge that you listen. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: I have ever seen nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen nothing like that. And I do challenges,
Speaker 1: I have not seen nothing like this because this song, Wow, listen,
Speaker 1: I call the soldiers, you know, I call the soldiers
Speaker 1: in can't and and and they show up and get
Speaker 1: the shooting right. But this is different. The power of
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, the power of this song right has brought
Speaker 1: everybody out, man. Yeah, in a way like I've never seen.
Speaker 1: And and normally, you know, a challenge goes and it
Speaker 1: and it just it will just die off in about
Speaker 1: three or four days. They won't stop. I'm still posting
Speaker 1: two more. Yeople literally text me theres I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have nothing to do, brother, not you. I'm going to
Speaker 1: start texting back, can't. Yeah, that's what you definitely posted.
Speaker 1: Know how much static post? Want much static postcars? You
Speaker 1: want to get on the feed.
Speaker 6: And I'm not gonna even I'm not gonna offer tanks
Speaker 6: feed off in minds, I like to be on my page.
Speaker 14: You know what, you'd have to cash out right away too.
Speaker 14: They said, I promise you you won't get on right bands. Hey,
Speaker 14: I promise you two days, bro.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 5: Domind Darius went on the roll that for like because
Speaker 5: the day before we did residuals, they did go girl friend.
Speaker 5: I think I think that's what they told me that
Speaker 5: they did that. Like and Mike Jay, who's another man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike is one another one of our brother Mike is.
Speaker 4: One that I want to like, really win so bad.
Speaker 4: I don't know, nobody likes the man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time for that part of it. Bro.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's he's insane, absolutely insane man.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, they they just they're in their bag.
Speaker 1: Are you excited for for the first performance check to come?
Speaker 1: Were you at as I would be a podcast? Are
Speaker 1: you are you anticipating? You know what an influx? I
Speaker 1: welcome its capital. I welcome that with open arms. Do
Speaker 1: you have your mind anything particular? You would like to buy?
Speaker 3: Real estate? More real estate, more real estate?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thing like a this is man.
Speaker 3: If only Junior could have passed, we wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Get these great get the real estate. I like what
Speaker 1: you're saying, but I learned from y'all. Feel like there's
Speaker 1: something else you would buy. I feel like you're gonna
Speaker 1: do the real estate. You can do the responsible thing,
Speaker 1: but give me, give me the irresponsible thing that you
Speaker 1: have to get off.
Speaker 4: I'm really responsible. No, no, I don't.
Speaker 3: So you didn't when you got when you got your
Speaker 3: first when you got your first check, you.
Speaker 1: Didn't do that.
Speaker 5: You haven't done anything. You know what I did with
Speaker 5: my very first, like decent size check. I got a
Speaker 5: car so I didn't have to walk to record place
Speaker 5: so I didn't have to like have my lady drop
Speaker 5: me off a record play. And there's that, and and
Speaker 5: that was the first thing, A nice one. What did
Speaker 5: I get from my first? Now it was just at
Speaker 5: that time a and B car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: I think it was just like a Volkswagen at that time.
Speaker 1: At least put some rims on.
Speaker 4: Never, we're not gonna do anything disrespectful to it. No
Speaker 4: tin the windows they came with it.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. I'm trying to find the.
Speaker 6: Somebody else own to be for you got it? You
Speaker 6: got that part, can't it? Cars don't come to I
Speaker 6: know I possible, Guy Wild and I went to the
Speaker 6: ship club. You know what they got to know how
Speaker 6: you went to buy it?
Speaker 3: What the strip club?
Speaker 1: I went to the strip club and showed them that
Speaker 1: I can afford it to be there, not to buy it,
Speaker 1: bought the strip, not that nobody. We're talking about something else. No, No,
Speaker 1: I ain't buy none of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Some new girls.
Speaker 1: That's nicely Yo, A tipping there like I'm doing a
Speaker 1: little something. Just what's thinking? Give me a hug.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, bro, oh my lord.
Speaker 1: All that to say, bro better than me? If I
Speaker 1: had a residual Jack on the way, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what and what I tell you listening like
Speaker 1: watching his mic, cons need I need two sections and live.
Speaker 1: I need to one for me and one for my wife.
Speaker 3: Live like I need to if I'm doing not you.
Speaker 1: Because he got the residuals that are actuals.
Speaker 3: If I had brother the residuals man, his his his
Speaker 3: performance of.
Speaker 1: That man incredible, untouched, unmatched, and.
Speaker 4: I look like the whole steadic of it. Like the
Speaker 4: mic came like.
Speaker 1: And show I said, I said, I don't even think
Speaker 1: he knows the special that moment is because it got
Speaker 1: it got matched out of the universe.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like oh, Chris saying to himself or the
Speaker 1: team saying, Okay, this is the moment that's gonna go viral,
Speaker 1: then it's gonna snowball. It was just special, and the
Speaker 1: universe said what the fuck is? And I said to
Speaker 1: myself a long time ago, even even have a conversations
Speaker 1: with him. I was like, Bro, if you ever just stop,
Speaker 1: I said, you can whook your ass off, nigga. You're
Speaker 1: the dancingest nigga I've ever seen in my life. Now,
Speaker 1: most acrobatic, most nigga. I said, but if you ever
Speaker 1: just stopped and just singing, they are going to fall
Speaker 1: the fuck out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you gotta ad a p with the w right,
Speaker 6: you gotta ad with it and the wiggle right because we.
Speaker 3: Got the now Chris got the.
Speaker 1: Now that's the that's singing or something like that. Come
Speaker 1: o my standing there with that microphone giving them time
Speaker 1: to just man, just watch and observe, appreciate. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was in concert like this man, nice Dan. Now
Speaker 1: now it's now, it's every level. Now he's mastered every level.
Speaker 5: I would have loved for him to sing that at
Speaker 5: the one more time that the grammy I would have
Speaker 5: I would have I think we need that, was we needed?
Speaker 4: It would have been insane.
Speaker 1: R and B represent is R and B representative, R
Speaker 1: and B representative. He needed that?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely? I?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5: I love it for him and and me and and
Speaker 5: Black tex As well again like those are those are
Speaker 5: my brothers?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I congratulations real quick. I'm just I just
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about you, sir. You as
Speaker 1: an artist, you as a singer. What does that look
Speaker 1: like for you? Man?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you going to? I mean it's you
Speaker 1: know what, accidentally right, But I'm saying, do you capitalize
Speaker 1: on that? Because you bro, you have insane musical moments
Speaker 1: as a creative and and your voice and your your
Speaker 1: your sonic and your signature. It's it's already vibrating at
Speaker 1: a level to where you can just jump right in.
Speaker 4: I have been thinking about like what that looks like,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I like the dance. The dance, you know that's
Speaker 1: my area.
Speaker 5: But you know what that that that is all that
Speaker 5: all that like acts dental and it's just like but
Speaker 5: it's been it's been amazing, especially the asscat check change,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But get tapping into the
Speaker 5: We did a record last year for this artist's named
Speaker 5: Zarl Larson on She's she's a British artist.
Speaker 4: Uh really big British artists out there.
Speaker 1: But we did.
Speaker 5: We did a top top fifteen, top ten. I think
Speaker 5: it was record for her call on on My Love
Speaker 5: with David Ghetto last year and creating writing the record,
Speaker 5: it was. It was one of the dopest things that
Speaker 5: I saw from somebody like Getta. We're writing song. He
Speaker 5: brought in the music that he wanted for the track
Speaker 5: for and he's like, Okay, this is what I'm looking for,
Speaker 5: so write the song. But then we attacked the verse
Speaker 5: like from a pop angle, well, you know, a dance angle.
Speaker 4: He comes in and he's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: this is what I want.
Speaker 5: And he plays the most soul I don't even know
Speaker 5: if something from the like seventies, like a mother.
Speaker 4: Voice, like oh, like super strong, like you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And then that was the approach I took on the
Speaker 4: verse for it for Zara. And then he comes in.
Speaker 4: He's like, yes, yes, it was a.
Speaker 1: Super R and B.
Speaker 5: It was an R and B verse all the way
Speaker 5: through and through. He's like, yes, this is it, and
Speaker 5: then she cuts it and then it doesn't. It's what
Speaker 5: we were saying earlier. It doesn't come off so R
Speaker 5: and B for her to wear her audience is like
Speaker 5: it's too R and B, but it's an.
Speaker 4: R and B.
Speaker 5: The prop wrote the whole thing like approach wise, we
Speaker 5: wrote the whole verse as an R and B soul record.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So I think it's what again again. It all comes
Speaker 5: back to It comes back to that. There's a group,
Speaker 5: and I'm talking that's on the dance front. Then on
Speaker 5: the country front. There's a group called They that I
Speaker 5: did a lot with on their last couple albums. But
Speaker 5: we did an album in twenty twenty one called the
Speaker 5: Amanda Tape. If you haven't heard it, go listen. It's
Speaker 5: an amazing project. But we do the Amanda Tape and
Speaker 5: then the amazing, amazingly talented Casey Musgraves in Nashville.
Speaker 4: Here's the project.
Speaker 5: And then she reaches out and she's like, Hey, love
Speaker 5: this Amanda tape. Would y'all be down to do a
Speaker 5: week with me in Nashville? Go out and do a
Speaker 5: week with her in Nashville, And then we end up
Speaker 5: we end up being the only not only outside writers black,
Speaker 5: Drew Love, Dante and myself the only black people on
Speaker 5: that whole country album and one number one number one
Speaker 5: country album. But we were the only black people that
Speaker 5: she brought in on. She does everything with just her team.
Speaker 5: But she did that and then she she was like, Yo,
Speaker 5: are you okay if I just leave your backgrounds on
Speaker 5: the record.
Speaker 3: I was like absolutely.
Speaker 5: So it's like if the song starts off with me
Speaker 5: and then and then her, and I'm like absolutely, And
Speaker 5: she jumps on the record with them with the group
Speaker 5: day and she features on there that So it's just,
Speaker 5: you know, it all comes back to R and B.
Speaker 4: It always is gonna come back to R and B
Speaker 4: when you look at like the Beavers and and.
Speaker 5: You know, and seeing all that, like R and B
Speaker 5: y'all were probably writing R and B songs when y'all
Speaker 5: were doing that stuff.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: For sure, the approach on it, you know what I
Speaker 6: mean for sure? I mean it's just mm hmm. Whoever sing, Yeah,
Speaker 6: and you put a different son.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely tinker with being an art that you're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna.
Speaker 5: Figure out what that listens. It looks like, yeah, we're
Speaker 5: gonna see what that looks like. Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean listen because it's I always say, even I
Speaker 1: tell Domdjaris, I said, listen, it's something to being in
Speaker 1: the crowd and sing your song, perform and a way
Speaker 1: that's life changing in that room. Yeah, and then there's
Speaker 1: something to you actually being on the stage that song
Speaker 1: that is changing the lives of everybody in that room.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: So it's like like, Okay, I'm sorry because I don't
Speaker 5: know like how far you're this guy goes back, but
Speaker 5: it was maybe I deserve your first like hit, Yes, okay,
Speaker 5: you know you talk about how music can take you back,
Speaker 5: like maybe I deserve I remember that in I think
Speaker 5: eighth grade like that, like boom, that's a that's a
Speaker 5: core memory, you know what I'm saying like that, maybe
Speaker 5: I deserve slowly, Oh my gosh, bro honestly. And I
Speaker 5: think it comes back to again what I said about.
Speaker 4: You have to love what it is you do.
Speaker 5: That's a long jevity when you really look at when
Speaker 5: you really look at it, how many people do you
Speaker 5: know that started when you were starting that are still
Speaker 5: doing still doing this and not out of you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, like because they can't.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot.
Speaker 4: I can guarantee you, and I don't even know if,
Speaker 4: but I can guarantee you it's not a lot.
Speaker 1: I love all of this shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you you.
Speaker 1: What happens is and what I've noticed is that the
Speaker 1: one thing that can happen is you can get burnt
Speaker 1: out with the process man, man of creating and coming
Speaker 1: up with new and rebranding, and long studio hours and
Speaker 1: photo shoots, video shoots, all of these things can get
Speaker 1: They can get tiring old. Wow. Even though you love
Speaker 1: the music, the idea of it, the you know, the
Speaker 1: initial reason why you fell in love with it, but
Speaker 1: everything surrounding it drains you. It can take from you.
Speaker 1: I can only speak for them. I do not speak
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Come on now, I love that.
Speaker 4: That's amazing, man.
Speaker 1: But it shows, and I keep up with all of it.
Speaker 1: It shows, whether it be production, whether it be whether
Speaker 1: it be dripped, whether that's staging, whether it be lighting.
Speaker 1: I'm in tune with all of it.
Speaker 5: But that's also a common thread that I find amongst
Speaker 5: a lot of the greats is you don't feel like
Speaker 5: you're done learning, Like you stay learning. I feel like
Speaker 5: the ones who are great and absolutely able to keep doing,
Speaker 5: they stay learning. I feel like, whether that's surrounding yourself
Speaker 5: with people I don't even want to say younger, but
Speaker 5: just like that, do something that you don't that you
Speaker 5: don't necessarily do.
Speaker 1: Is it a younger thing or somebody who's active.
Speaker 4: Active, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, facts.
Speaker 5: Facts, And then that's the beauty in it, to be
Speaker 5: able to look at somebody that does something totally different
Speaker 5: than the approach on it is different than your approach,
Speaker 5: but then you're able to take that and say, like, look, bro,
Speaker 5: I remember the first time I worked with King with
Speaker 5: Babyface and I'm like, we're writing a song and I'm like,
Speaker 5: he's like, yeah that and I'm I'm like you sure,
Speaker 5: and he's like yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm like nah, I like what you said. He's like, no,
Speaker 4: that's it. I'm like all right.
Speaker 5: So then we finished writing there and I'm thinking he's
Speaker 5: about to go in the booth and sing the song.
Speaker 4: He's like, okay, going in the boot to it.
Speaker 3: I said, excuse me, I said, you're not bruh. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh shoot, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just I'm expecting him to go and he's inspired. He's
Speaker 1: like right.
Speaker 5: It was the most insane, absolutely in saying. But that's
Speaker 5: why I feel like he's has been able to do
Speaker 5: it for so long too, you.
Speaker 1: Know, brother, Dwayne, Yes, sir, your Top five R and B.
Speaker 4: Singers, singers, singers. Okay, I tried to remember this.
Speaker 1: Good to get to wait m hm.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, hold on yeah quick, okay. One I
Speaker 5: know off the top of my head. Brandy mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Okay see Brandy.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 11: Charlie Wilson, Yeah, the Crispy Man, Yeah, Stevie Wonder Yeah,
Speaker 11: yeah yeah, Stokely for.
Speaker 1: You better get out of my bag. Let's leave my
Speaker 1: bag alone.
Speaker 4: That man, that man, I don't know if he gets
Speaker 4: enough love you.
Speaker 1: They don't get it, you know.
Speaker 5: That was actually my first like concert. I wasn't high
Speaker 5: school junior high school with tights.
Speaker 3: We got we got it.
Speaker 4: I think it was Nissan Stewart that was on tour
Speaker 4: with him in genuine. This was like probably ninety seventh
Speaker 4: somewhere around there. But yeah, we high school and he
Speaker 4: was the first one.
Speaker 3: I was just like he was on the drum.
Speaker 5: He did a double drum. He had a double drum
Speaker 5: set M and Chris Day. Yeah he's a monster, okay.
Speaker 5: And then number five.
Speaker 4: He's technically not RV, but he like put me onto
Speaker 4: all just anyway.
Speaker 1: J Moss.
Speaker 4: J Moss just like.
Speaker 5: There was there was there was when I was growing up.
Speaker 5: Kimbrell was the thing that like showed me a whole
Speaker 5: new way of singing, the whole new world.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 5: I remember at this at this p a W convention
Speaker 5: one time they had the talent show It's nothing but Adults,
Speaker 5: and it was for a cast price, and I got
Speaker 5: up and saying try me again, and one of one
Speaker 5: of the talent show for for the pad or whatever,
Speaker 5: and and she was just the first first thing like
Speaker 5: show me in the way. And then there was Jams
Speaker 5: and I just had never I was just like, what
Speaker 5: in the world.
Speaker 1: It's harmony, I'm gonna bless your soul. Oh shoot, hold on,
Speaker 1: it's just okay, just remember okay, I'm gonna bless you.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Top five R and B songs.
Speaker 4: That one was tougher. Okay, hey, oh that's tough. When
Speaker 4: you touched me by Brandy?
Speaker 1: Why not yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, why not?
Speaker 4: Shout out of Daniels and right there was right okay yeah.
Speaker 5: To this day, special Brandy was the Brandy was the
Speaker 5: like like close this thing to a church vocal, but
Speaker 5: but R and B.
Speaker 10: She made she put it in perspective, you put it
Speaker 10: in perspective one thousand put it into that song yea
Speaker 10: were it was like, oh you can get this all
Speaker 10: off absolutely in a way that it is.
Speaker 1: It is classic is it is mind boggling, but it's
Speaker 1: also classics.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah, Brandy, when you touched me? The
Speaker 4: whole album was fire okay, h always and forever heat wave?
Speaker 1: Why not? Why not?
Speaker 4: Shout tempt Yeah, come back to me. Janet Jackson, Jimmy, Jame,
Speaker 4: Terry and I love that song, something about that.
Speaker 1: It's everything about.
Speaker 5: Everything of everything about that. I've got to meet them
Speaker 5: one day, Like I've never met them, but they.
Speaker 1: The nicest guys. Yes, oh you can, you can.
Speaker 4: They You can look at them and tell that, right.
Speaker 6: They're so unaffected by the mega everything that they've done
Speaker 6: in their career, like they're not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, them and them and Kenny and l A like
Speaker 4: top of the top, top of the top for me, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: how many is that?
Speaker 1: Two?
Speaker 3: Three? Oh?
Speaker 4: Okay, listen, we're moving.
Speaker 5: Whenever, wherever, whatever. Mactually, yeah, what a song? Yeah, what
Speaker 5: a song?
Speaker 1: Wow song?
Speaker 4: What a song? And then number five shoot oh man,
Speaker 4: mm hmmm, dang god five is crazy?
Speaker 1: What just one more? One more?
Speaker 4: Man, all right, it's tough. Okay, I'm going to say.
Speaker 5: Get here Alita Adams, get Here by Alita Adams. Yeah,
Speaker 5: some about that, Some about that song, Yeah, some about
Speaker 5: that song.
Speaker 1: Definitely a songwriter, man, listen, you're clear.
Speaker 3: Song five is tough. Five is tough.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It was a great fucking tunes.
Speaker 4: Thank you, brother, thank you, because.
Speaker 1: The residuous in there. If you feel like you don't
Speaker 1: have all right, be shy about it.
Speaker 4: Let's from from from one of the golds himself.
Speaker 1: I take I promise you you do take that. Let
Speaker 1: that about the fucking ride that all right? Just make
Speaker 1: a voltron your super R and B artists, Right, and
Speaker 1: so with your super R and B artists we got
Speaker 1: you have to decide which vocal from an artist you're
Speaker 1: gonna put their performance style, styling the passion of the artists.
Speaker 1: And then who're gonna write for this motherfucker? Right? One
Speaker 1: vocal to make your super R and B artist Just one?
Speaker 4: Who's vocal?
Speaker 1: Joe? Yeah, great vocal, Joe, great vocal.
Speaker 4: He's another one I feel like doesn't get a lot
Speaker 4: of praise for some reason.
Speaker 1: But Joe on Army Money Podcast, Let's Go, Let's go,
Speaker 1: he's revered. Let's go as a hymn. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: that performance style stage Chris Brown, Chris easy light work,
Speaker 1: styling like drep on stage. Yeah, performance drip.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna have to go Chris again, double mine
Speaker 5: as well, like he just gets flying, yes, flying.
Speaker 1: Sure, double breezy okay. Uh. The passion of the artist.
Speaker 7: What if I said Luther for the crazy the sequest
Speaker 7: Luther Man with the Jerry Cirl Listen, Yeah, we're going
Speaker 7: breezy tho, all right?
Speaker 1: What's the the passion of the artists? Who means it?
Speaker 1: The heart of the artist.
Speaker 4: Marvin Gay? Why not Marvin Gay?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Ship that man, real passion, every word.
Speaker 4: Real passion. Here was he here, my dear, here, my dear?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Well didn't he write that was it for
Speaker 3: his wife?
Speaker 1: Well he had he had to give it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what take this Get off my back.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Who's right, who's writing for this?
Speaker 4: Jimmy James Taylors.
Speaker 1: Why not? Easy? Why not? That's easy money, easy money,
Speaker 1: that's easy money. Generational smashes. Five is hard man, Generational smashes.
Speaker 1: Let's go. We have the very impoorant part of the show.
Speaker 6: Okay, can you tell us a story funnyer fucked up
Speaker 6: a funny and fucked up the only rude to the game.
Speaker 1: You can't say no name, not a one, no names,
Speaker 1: no names.
Speaker 4: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: Can it be about me.
Speaker 1: Whatever?
Speaker 3: You don't say no names, you can't say nobody else.
Speaker 4: Name, Okay, okay, okay. So there was there was an
Speaker 4: artist I was working with.
Speaker 3: This was early on.
Speaker 4: This was I might have been out here, maybe a
Speaker 4: year out here, I think.
Speaker 5: Mega artists though huge like international internationally, like I had
Speaker 5: been working with him for uh maybe.
Speaker 4: We worked a few times and so we were we
Speaker 4: were around the same age, I think.
Speaker 5: But I was living in North Hollywood at the time,
Speaker 5: off of Magnolia and Denny.
Speaker 4: You know what that raupse is.
Speaker 3: You know what that was like?
Speaker 5: Okay, right off Mannollian Denny. So that I would take
Speaker 5: the North Hollywood train station. I did public transport my
Speaker 5: whole like first year out here, So I would take that.
Speaker 4: I would take that. We were working at Hinton Jim
Speaker 4: Hinton Studios off on Leabrea. So I took the took
Speaker 4: the train this one day to.
Speaker 5: From North Hollywood to Hollywood and Highlands. So from Hollywood
Speaker 5: and Island to the station to Henson Studios is maybe
Speaker 5: a twenty minute walk.
Speaker 4: I think, walk something like that.
Speaker 3: So I walk it.
Speaker 4: I get to the studio. We're working, and.
Speaker 3: We're working.
Speaker 5: We're working now, I know what time the trains and
Speaker 5: the bus stop running. So so we're working and it
Speaker 5: gets to be around like eleven o'clock. And again, I've
Speaker 5: worked with this person for a handful of times at
Speaker 5: this point, but the pride in me, I guess it was,
Speaker 5: would not ever let me even think about asking this
Speaker 5: person for a ride home.
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of watching the clock and I'm like,
Speaker 4: emn like, train gonna stop here in the bit. I
Speaker 4: need to wrap this up. So we wrap up around
Speaker 4: eleven thirty.
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, cool, say my goodbyes, and I'm
Speaker 5: just like yeah, yeah, you're boom and put my backpack
Speaker 5: on and I called myself like leaving out of the
Speaker 5: studio like like that, okay, I'm gonna get out here
Speaker 5: before they do. I get out and as I start
Speaker 5: walking and I'm getting close to the gate, I like
Speaker 5: hear him come out and I'm like, oh, he got up.
Speaker 4: That quick, okay, So so I like duck off. To
Speaker 4: the side so he can't see me walking. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I can't let them see me walking, just the perception,
Speaker 4: like like he gotta he gotta think I'm I drove
Speaker 4: up here, and so I'm like duck off. And as
Speaker 4: he draws by, I'm just gonnam.
Speaker 3: And he drives out of the gate.
Speaker 4: I'm like cool boom. So I'm like booking it, booking it,
Speaker 4: sweating to the to the to the Hollywood Highland station
Speaker 4: and as I pull up, they let the gate down.
Speaker 4: They done running to the train for night.
Speaker 5: I live off of Magnolia and Dindy in North Hollywood.
Speaker 5: I didn't have enough money for a cab. There was
Speaker 5: there wasn't uber wasn't even running then. I didn't have
Speaker 5: no money for cab.
Speaker 3: I'm like what, I guess. We walked in New Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Then I'm walking alongside the one old one at midnight
Speaker 5: off the Kawanga passed and I'm just like, bro, God,
Speaker 5: just don't let me get hit.
Speaker 4: Don't let me get hit. Right now, Bro, I get
Speaker 4: to bar him. I get to like, I get to
Speaker 4: bar him. I'm like, I was like, okay, I made it.
Speaker 4: There's a sidewalk I made it to a sidewalk.
Speaker 3: Get to bar him.
Speaker 5: I'm like checking my change and I think we got
Speaker 5: enough to all right, we got enough to get to
Speaker 5: to Magnolia.
Speaker 4: So I catch a cab.
Speaker 5: We get to Langashim and Magnolia, No almost to make
Speaker 5: Lang Magnolia, and I'm I'm watching the meat boy my
Speaker 5: ball in that joint, so I'm starting to sweat. I'm
Speaker 5: kind of like this, don't look like this twelve dollars
Speaker 5: is gonna get me all the way to So I'm
Speaker 5: watching the joint and we stop at the stop line.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, hopefully the meter stopped.
Speaker 3: The meter is still running. I'm like.
Speaker 4: He starts driving, and I'm like two cents away from
Speaker 4: what I got in my pocket.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, all right right here, right here,
Speaker 5: right here, right here, let me out right here, let
Speaker 5: me right here.
Speaker 4: He's like, you sure.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: If you want this much, if you want this money,
Speaker 1: you want to get paid, If you want.
Speaker 3: To get paid, I think you're sure too, so you
Speaker 3: might be all right there, bro.
Speaker 5: I walked and rested away to my apartment, and so,
Speaker 5: funny enough, I'm working with the same artists. A few
Speaker 5: months back, and I tell him the story. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 5: do you know when we were working we were first working,
Speaker 5: like and I told him the story, and his dad
Speaker 5: was out with us, out at dinner with us.
Speaker 1: And his dad.
Speaker 4: His dad was a big manager. To his dad said,
Speaker 4: why didn't you.
Speaker 3: Just ask for a ride? I had an office in
Speaker 3: hensn Why didn't you just have a ride? I said,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: About to ask y'all for no rides, or I said,
Speaker 4: I said, and honestly, you know what, if I do
Speaker 4: it all over.
Speaker 5: Again, I probably still wouldn't ask for a ride because
Speaker 5: because I just the perception for me was I was
Speaker 5: bigger than than than my pride, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I was just like or the same way, the
Speaker 4: same as my pride, I guess.
Speaker 5: But I was like, yeah, I said, I said, if
Speaker 5: I do it all again, I probably still wouldn't ask
Speaker 5: for a ride because I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I wanted you to just look at me as I'm
Speaker 4: you know, I'm here for this, and you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: You didn't need to know that I.
Speaker 4: Walked here from from you know.
Speaker 3: And the crazy thing is he lived into Luca Lake.
Speaker 3: It was right around the corner. He definitely would have bro.
Speaker 4: He lived in Luca, like literally right by Brian's oh
Speaker 4: condo right off Legs. Bro lived right there. But I
Speaker 4: it's it's so funny. So that goes back to you
Speaker 4: remember when you said what'd you first get with your
Speaker 4: money that you forget.
Speaker 14: I got a car so I wouldn't have to drop
Speaker 14: so I wouldn't have to walk or worry about knocking
Speaker 14: on the taxi.
Speaker 3: Jump out on the taxi.
Speaker 5: Bro I pulled up one time at at Atlantic when
Speaker 5: they were off of uh the at the Diane Warren's building.
Speaker 4: And saying, this is around the same time.
Speaker 5: I'm taking public transport and I'm like sweating by the
Speaker 5: time I get to the session, like my manager. I
Speaker 5: was with Tom a Faye at the time. So Tom
Speaker 5: hits me like, de where you at? Like they they
Speaker 5: asking me where you are. I'm like, I'm almost there.
Speaker 5: And so I walk in and I'm drinch sweat shirt,
Speaker 5: just drinch sweat and so uh but nobody said nothing
Speaker 5: to me. So so I get to working. So then
Speaker 5: Tom heard be later he said I said yeah, I said,
Speaker 5: I said, uh, everything went good.
Speaker 3: He was like okay. He was like yeah, they were.
Speaker 3: They were.
Speaker 5: They were pressing me, wondering where you were. But then
Speaker 5: they said you walked in sweating and smelling like outside.
Speaker 5: And they didn't say nothing. They just like, oh, he's
Speaker 5: he's straight. He got to hear him get here. He
Speaker 5: went through a lot to get here, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: But that that was.
Speaker 3: Bro, It's how bad.
Speaker 5: It's how bad I wanted it, man, And again like
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have done it any other way, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, the exact same way.
Speaker 4: But there's one other one. This was short. What you do,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a This is a producer that.
Speaker 3: We all know.
Speaker 5: That I had just left the studio, so I was
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't see this happening, but I was
Speaker 5: told about it like this that there's a There was
Speaker 5: a there was another This producer kind of set up
Speaker 5: shop at this studio, like when I say shop, like
Speaker 5: low key living there, like.
Speaker 4: Like kind of like we're sleeping here too. And so
Speaker 4: this producer I know was working late one night.
Speaker 5: And then the other producer I'm talking about, I guess
Speaker 5: thought nobody else was there at the studio, like it's
Speaker 5: just him.
Speaker 4: So he had a little beat, a little beat down
Speaker 4: in the joint. So finished doing what he was doing,
Speaker 4: and uh, he walked.
Speaker 1: Out of one room.
Speaker 5: The other producer who was still working there to eat
Speaker 5: the nose that he walks out of the room and
Speaker 5: the producer walks out butt naked with church socks on
Speaker 5: black church another producers. They look at look at each other.
Speaker 5: You look back, look at you, he said, church elections
Speaker 5: going on.
Speaker 1: That's great and we all we know who is great,
Speaker 1: Stacy Adam's holsery. Is that what we're doing? Crazy?
Speaker 9: Bro?
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, I'm glad I missed
Speaker 4: that one that He was like, yeah, it's crazy, Bro.
Speaker 1: You've done some I mean, you've done some amazing work
Speaker 1: out here. You you continue to do amazing work. My brother.
Speaker 1: We hear you, we see you, and I'm glad that
Speaker 1: we're able to magnify and amplify that man. And it's
Speaker 1: more importantly like put a put a real face to
Speaker 1: the name. Yeah, man, you you deserve to be walking
Speaker 1: in the airport and walking through the mall and people
Speaker 1: like that's that guy that did X, Y and Z,
Speaker 1: and you you deserve that, man, because your your your
Speaker 1: presence is of value. And and that's why we have
Speaker 1: you here. Man.
Speaker 4: You so appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Please please keep doing that ship.
Speaker 4: Yes sir, Yes, sir, I definitely will. And I'm going
Speaker 4: to talk to Black Text and we're gonna get you
Speaker 4: that next record.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm around. I'm around. Absolutely hate me for
Speaker 1: a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, I have mistake. I'm nobody.
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Speaker 1: on the weekend. To appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3: Man, appreciate y'all much love,