1 00:00:14,996 --> 00:00:23,876 Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Dana Goodyear on this season of Lost Hills. 2 00:00:23,956 --> 00:00:26,556 Speaker 1: I've talked a lot about the Malibu of forty years ago, 3 00:00:27,236 --> 00:00:30,156 Speaker 1: Malibu when the Railers lived there. How it was this 4 00:00:30,236 --> 00:00:34,396 Speaker 1: really small town, but with all these unusual things about it, 5 00:00:34,396 --> 00:00:38,476 Speaker 1: it had become desirable. And this, at least according to 6 00:00:38,476 --> 00:00:41,796 Speaker 1: the Santa Barbara Day, was what drove Fred Railer to 7 00:00:41,916 --> 00:00:45,316 Speaker 1: murder his two wives and his steps on the desire 8 00:00:45,356 --> 00:00:48,236 Speaker 1: to control of fortune in Malibu real estate and collect 9 00:00:48,276 --> 00:00:50,836 Speaker 1: a bunch of insurance money that would fund his life there. 10 00:00:52,356 --> 00:00:54,956 Speaker 1: Everything I learned made me think that Malibu in the 11 00:00:54,996 --> 00:00:59,356 Speaker 1: seventies and early eighties was an insane place, insanely wonderful, 12 00:00:59,716 --> 00:01:03,916 Speaker 1: insanely scary. It was this swirl of money and celebrities 13 00:01:03,916 --> 00:01:07,196 Speaker 1: and cowboys and drug dealers and musical geniuses living in 14 00:01:07,236 --> 00:01:09,956 Speaker 1: shacks on the beach. There were start to be snapped 15 00:01:10,036 --> 00:01:13,756 Speaker 1: up for millions, and just like on the Canyon Roads, 16 00:01:14,196 --> 00:01:19,236 Speaker 1: there were no guardrails. Malibu in the seventies was like 17 00:01:20,516 --> 00:01:27,356 Speaker 1: the movie The Ice Storm meets Boogie Nights meets Lord 18 00:01:27,356 --> 00:01:33,756 Speaker 1: of the Flies, directed by Swingers on Blow. This is 19 00:01:33,836 --> 00:01:37,316 Speaker 1: Rob Blow. Well. We could go on a tour of Malibu. 20 00:01:37,436 --> 00:01:41,836 Speaker 1: Go dead guy there. Car crashed there. Five people died there. 21 00:01:41,956 --> 00:01:45,396 Speaker 1: Three people that just on Point Doom alone. Roblow is 22 00:01:45,436 --> 00:01:48,636 Speaker 1: a super famous actor who spent his teenage years in 23 00:01:48,716 --> 00:01:53,236 Speaker 1: Malibu in the seventies and eighties, when Fred Jean Verna 24 00:01:53,436 --> 00:01:56,796 Speaker 1: and their kids lived there. Rob moved to Malibu with 25 00:01:56,796 --> 00:02:00,316 Speaker 1: his mom and brothers in nineteen seventy six. He was twelve, 26 00:02:00,836 --> 00:02:05,356 Speaker 1: a hay seed from Ohio with dreams of stardom. He 27 00:02:05,476 --> 00:02:08,796 Speaker 1: was not prepared. Yeah, it was it well, literally a 28 00:02:08,836 --> 00:02:14,396 Speaker 1: front tier the local supermarket had a hitching post and 29 00:02:15,316 --> 00:02:18,316 Speaker 1: people would get on their horses and go to the market. 30 00:02:18,676 --> 00:02:21,036 Speaker 1: When I got there, you also had to remember it 31 00:02:21,116 --> 00:02:24,476 Speaker 1: was never it was before it was gentrified. First of all, 32 00:02:24,956 --> 00:02:30,996 Speaker 1: what it was originally were outcasts, people looking to escape, 33 00:02:31,156 --> 00:02:38,116 Speaker 1: counterculture people burnt out actors and rock stars, and then 34 00:02:38,236 --> 00:02:44,236 Speaker 1: regular working class fireman, policeman, the odd architect. That was 35 00:02:44,236 --> 00:02:47,796 Speaker 1: the socioeconomics of Malibu. But like, I come to that 36 00:02:47,956 --> 00:02:50,676 Speaker 1: from wanting to be in showbusiness and knowing nothing and 37 00:02:50,796 --> 00:02:53,436 Speaker 1: having nothing like that in Ohio, and my mind was 38 00:02:53,476 --> 00:02:57,916 Speaker 1: blown blown, never to recover. His mom rented a little 39 00:02:57,996 --> 00:03:00,796 Speaker 1: ranch house on Point Doom. It had a corral for 40 00:03:00,876 --> 00:03:03,236 Speaker 1: horses in the back, built out of wood from the 41 00:03:03,276 --> 00:03:06,996 Speaker 1: set of Planet of the Apes. It was magic, it 42 00:03:07,116 --> 00:03:13,196 Speaker 1: was he just smelt safe and eucalyptus. And I remember 43 00:03:13,196 --> 00:03:15,996 Speaker 1: the ants. I remember I'd never seen so many ants. 44 00:03:16,356 --> 00:03:19,876 Speaker 1: The ants would come out of the electrical sockets. The 45 00:03:20,516 --> 00:03:25,276 Speaker 1: apocryphal legend was that the Captain and Tenniel had recorded 46 00:03:25,356 --> 00:03:29,236 Speaker 1: Love Will Keep Us Together in a makeshift studio at 47 00:03:29,236 --> 00:03:32,556 Speaker 1: the house and what became my bedroom. The way he 48 00:03:32,596 --> 00:03:36,756 Speaker 1: describes Malibu back then, it was surreal, like a dream, 49 00:03:36,796 --> 00:03:40,876 Speaker 1: populated by faces from your TV set. You'd go to 50 00:03:40,876 --> 00:03:43,116 Speaker 1: our elementary school and it would be shut down for 51 00:03:43,156 --> 00:03:47,876 Speaker 1: the day because Farah Fawcett Majors would be filming Charlie's Angels. 52 00:03:48,556 --> 00:03:51,636 Speaker 1: Linda Ronstat would come to My Talent show and we 53 00:03:51,676 --> 00:03:54,916 Speaker 1: would come out on the playground and hear planes flying 54 00:03:54,956 --> 00:03:57,756 Speaker 1: above and they would be shooting the air battle sequences 55 00:03:57,796 --> 00:04:01,516 Speaker 1: for the TV show Bob Bob Black Sheep. Fonzie Jumped 56 00:04:01,596 --> 00:04:04,196 Speaker 1: the Shark, the famous phrase about a show jumping the shark. 57 00:04:04,516 --> 00:04:06,476 Speaker 1: I saw Fonzie jumped the shark. You jumped the shark 58 00:04:06,516 --> 00:04:08,876 Speaker 1: at Paradise Cove in front of the house. My grandparents 59 00:04:09,276 --> 00:04:13,356 Speaker 1: rent in the winters, and on Fourth of July, the 60 00:04:13,476 --> 00:04:17,356 Speaker 1: fancy famous people would throw a big party and everyone 61 00:04:17,436 --> 00:04:21,196 Speaker 1: was invited. There were big rock stars and they were 62 00:04:21,196 --> 00:04:25,156 Speaker 1: all in the colony. I have great memories of the 63 00:04:25,196 --> 00:04:27,836 Speaker 1: colony and the Fourth of July, which was such a thing. 64 00:04:28,356 --> 00:04:31,556 Speaker 1: It was an open house. You would literally walk into 65 00:04:32,396 --> 00:04:34,796 Speaker 1: house after house after house that you didn't even know 66 00:04:34,836 --> 00:04:37,396 Speaker 1: whose house it was. And I remember walking into a 67 00:04:37,436 --> 00:04:41,236 Speaker 1: bedroom and seeing two naked people screwing and it was 68 00:04:41,276 --> 00:04:44,636 Speaker 1: like just a literally like almost like an orgy, drug 69 00:04:44,636 --> 00:04:47,316 Speaker 1: and alcohol, free for all. And you know, that was 70 00:04:47,396 --> 00:04:54,356 Speaker 1: like the Linda Ronstat, Peter Asher, Larry Hagman, Larry Hagman, 71 00:04:54,436 --> 00:04:57,956 Speaker 1: that's the famous that's a well documented story. You know, 72 00:04:57,996 --> 00:05:01,276 Speaker 1: when he was the cats Meow and Dallas. Now we're 73 00:05:01,356 --> 00:05:03,516 Speaker 1: obviously a little bit later in the timeline, but he 74 00:05:03,516 --> 00:05:08,476 Speaker 1: would legitimately lead a parade down the beach wearing an 75 00:05:08,476 --> 00:05:12,556 Speaker 1: Indian head dress every night at sunset, and you could 76 00:05:12,596 --> 00:05:15,276 Speaker 1: join in or not join in, and that's what he did. 77 00:05:16,476 --> 00:05:19,196 Speaker 1: But even more reliable than the Colony for a star 78 00:05:19,276 --> 00:05:25,156 Speaker 1: struck young Rob Blow was the grocery store on Point Doom. 79 00:05:25,356 --> 00:05:27,076 Speaker 1: One of the biggest things on TV at the time 80 00:05:27,156 --> 00:05:30,156 Speaker 1: was the miniseries rich Man Poor Man. I loved it, 81 00:05:30,196 --> 00:05:32,396 Speaker 1: and Nick Nolty was the star. It was Nick Nolty's 82 00:05:32,436 --> 00:05:35,116 Speaker 1: first thing, and I would run into him at the market. 83 00:05:35,756 --> 00:05:38,036 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, this is also in the era 84 00:05:38,076 --> 00:05:42,516 Speaker 1: where Martin Sheen was always like protesting. Remember he called 85 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:44,316 Speaker 1: me once and said, will you come down and protest 86 00:05:44,356 --> 00:05:48,716 Speaker 1: the market with me and Sayesar Chavez over grapes. I 87 00:05:48,796 --> 00:05:51,316 Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm going to the beach my girlfriend, Martin. 88 00:05:52,076 --> 00:05:54,156 Speaker 1: But I would go to that market and one day 89 00:05:54,196 --> 00:05:57,436 Speaker 1: I ran into Nick and he's like, how it's Martin Sheen. 90 00:05:57,636 --> 00:05:59,436 Speaker 1: You ever see Martin. I was like, you know, he's 91 00:05:59,436 --> 00:06:05,036 Speaker 1: actually on a political sabbatical in Nicaragua. And I remember 92 00:06:05,116 --> 00:06:12,036 Speaker 1: nig niggara, niggaraba, nigger rah, and like moving back with 93 00:06:12,156 --> 00:06:16,116 Speaker 1: each time you said nigh until he fell over into 94 00:06:16,116 --> 00:06:23,916 Speaker 1: a stacked can of baked beans. Niggerain clank clink on 95 00:06:23,996 --> 00:06:28,956 Speaker 1: his back. And then and then there was a great 96 00:06:28,996 --> 00:06:32,556 Speaker 1: time where my mom was like, that's Steve McQueen, Robbie, 97 00:06:33,116 --> 00:06:37,236 Speaker 1: that's Steve McQueen. Steve McQueen was a movie star who 98 00:06:37,276 --> 00:06:40,596 Speaker 1: was married to another movie star, Ali McGraw. You heard 99 00:06:40,596 --> 00:06:43,636 Speaker 1: her in the first episode of this season. Ali and 100 00:06:43,676 --> 00:06:46,836 Speaker 1: Steve had discovered Malibu in the early seventies and they 101 00:06:46,916 --> 00:06:52,516 Speaker 1: ended up on Broadbeach. They were pioneers. This is Ali. Well. 102 00:06:52,796 --> 00:06:55,196 Speaker 1: First of all, I'm from New York and I found 103 00:06:55,276 --> 00:07:00,036 Speaker 1: myself living in Beverly Hills. Actually when I married Bob 104 00:07:00,076 --> 00:07:03,076 Speaker 1: Evans and we had a child, and when that marriage 105 00:07:03,116 --> 00:07:08,156 Speaker 1: broke up, I married Steve McQueen and we decided we 106 00:07:08,196 --> 00:07:11,316 Speaker 1: wanted to get far away from the center of la 107 00:07:12,756 --> 00:07:16,996 Speaker 1: There was a funky little movie theater which was great, 108 00:07:17,116 --> 00:07:20,116 Speaker 1: next to a pizza place owned by one of my 109 00:07:20,196 --> 00:07:25,916 Speaker 1: son's friends families. And John's Garden, which was this huge 110 00:07:26,156 --> 00:07:31,476 Speaker 1: kind of perpetual farmer's market with wonderful food, next to 111 00:07:32,036 --> 00:07:36,356 Speaker 1: a sandblock playground that Fred Siegel had created where all 112 00:07:36,356 --> 00:07:39,676 Speaker 1: the kids just played while we ate sandwiches and caught up, 113 00:07:39,716 --> 00:07:42,876 Speaker 1: and a place to buy blue jeans in bathing suits. 114 00:07:43,356 --> 00:07:50,276 Speaker 1: It wasn't this repository of somebody's sixth home, you know. 115 00:07:50,316 --> 00:07:53,436 Speaker 1: We really lived there. Shopped at the grocery store, we 116 00:07:53,516 --> 00:07:58,556 Speaker 1: walked our dogs, We went to the school, the public school, 117 00:07:58,596 --> 00:08:03,116 Speaker 1: and participated with our kids. And that's what I wanted 118 00:08:03,156 --> 00:08:06,276 Speaker 1: as a childhood for my kid. I don't know how 119 00:08:06,316 --> 00:08:11,516 Speaker 1: I would have done it in Beverly Hills. Back to 120 00:08:11,596 --> 00:08:15,516 Speaker 1: Rob Steve McQueen's story, and I'm like, sort of vaguely 121 00:08:15,556 --> 00:08:18,516 Speaker 1: knew who Steve McQueen was, because in the mid seventies 122 00:08:18,516 --> 00:08:21,196 Speaker 1: he was you know, he'd had a kind of cold streak. 123 00:08:21,756 --> 00:08:24,876 Speaker 1: But I knew he was famous enough, and I was 124 00:08:24,956 --> 00:08:27,316 Speaker 1: an audacious kid, and I went up to him and 125 00:08:27,596 --> 00:08:29,916 Speaker 1: excuse me, stir, could I have your autograph? And he 126 00:08:29,956 --> 00:08:34,116 Speaker 1: looked at me. First, he smelled like an animal with 127 00:08:34,196 --> 00:08:37,636 Speaker 1: a five o'clock beard, and this shirt untucked, really dirty, 128 00:08:38,036 --> 00:08:41,276 Speaker 1: and he was carrying like four or six packs of beer, 129 00:08:42,276 --> 00:08:45,236 Speaker 1: and hecaus, well, do you want my autographed? Kid? I 130 00:08:45,316 --> 00:08:50,436 Speaker 1: ain't no one. Never forgot that I ain't no one. 131 00:08:51,156 --> 00:08:54,076 Speaker 1: And then there were the people who were like seeing 132 00:08:54,156 --> 00:08:57,716 Speaker 1: Sasquatch or the locknet monster, where you knew they were around, 133 00:08:57,756 --> 00:08:59,836 Speaker 1: you were told they were around, but you meanwhile you'd 134 00:08:59,876 --> 00:09:01,996 Speaker 1: never seen them. And that would be like Barbara streisand 135 00:09:02,116 --> 00:09:05,516 Speaker 1: like nobody ever saw Barbara. I mean, Barbara's a legend. 136 00:09:05,556 --> 00:09:08,436 Speaker 1: I've gotten to luckily become very good friends with her, 137 00:09:08,876 --> 00:09:11,716 Speaker 1: but I didn't know her then. And that's in that era, 138 00:09:11,916 --> 00:09:17,396 Speaker 1: like that sort of What's Up Doc Stars Borne, Chris Christofferson, 139 00:09:17,436 --> 00:09:21,196 Speaker 1: he would have been around a little bit just unbelievable, 140 00:09:21,796 --> 00:09:25,196 Speaker 1: unbelievable times. And then you know, there was the moment 141 00:09:25,196 --> 00:09:28,316 Speaker 1: when Bob Dylan secretly bought up a bunch of properties 142 00:09:28,316 --> 00:09:32,316 Speaker 1: on Point Doom where I lived. That started that level 143 00:09:32,396 --> 00:09:34,476 Speaker 1: of people coming in. And then of course Johnny Carson 144 00:09:35,316 --> 00:09:38,076 Speaker 1: was the very first sort of establishment you don't get 145 00:09:38,076 --> 00:09:43,276 Speaker 1: any more establishment, the Johnny Carson and the music being 146 00:09:43,276 --> 00:09:48,756 Speaker 1: recorded in Malilu. It was legendary culture changing. Neil Young, 147 00:09:49,156 --> 00:09:52,876 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan and the band and everyone was recording at 148 00:09:52,956 --> 00:09:58,156 Speaker 1: Robbie Robertson studio overlooking zoom of Beach. We found it. 149 00:09:58,156 --> 00:10:02,036 Speaker 1: It used to be a bordello, this place that was 150 00:10:02,076 --> 00:10:06,636 Speaker 1: called Shangrila. That's Robertson, who we also heard from in 151 00:10:06,716 --> 00:10:12,436 Speaker 1: episode one. It used to be a bordello for cowboys, 152 00:10:12,636 --> 00:10:16,596 Speaker 1: cow polkes. That there's a lot of ranches out there. 153 00:10:16,796 --> 00:10:20,596 Speaker 1: This was a ranch. So we thought, wow, this place 154 00:10:20,716 --> 00:10:24,236 Speaker 1: is perfect, you know, so we turned it into something 155 00:10:25,116 --> 00:10:29,236 Speaker 1: and then over a period of time, more and more 156 00:10:29,436 --> 00:10:36,196 Speaker 1: music people started gravitating out to Malibu, and people wanted 157 00:10:36,236 --> 00:10:39,716 Speaker 1: to use this studio because it was cool, and it 158 00:10:39,836 --> 00:10:45,516 Speaker 1: still exists. Rick Rubin, the music producer, he has it 159 00:10:45,716 --> 00:10:51,756 Speaker 1: now and it's as beautiful as ever. All that got 160 00:10:51,836 --> 00:10:55,116 Speaker 1: rolled into the Malibu myth, which young Rob Blow spooned 161 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:58,036 Speaker 1: up with his wheaties. You know. The other thing I 162 00:10:58,076 --> 00:11:00,516 Speaker 1: love is is that great song from nineteen seventy nine 163 00:11:01,116 --> 00:11:06,196 Speaker 1: called Gold. That's when the lights go down in the 164 00:11:06,316 --> 00:11:12,076 Speaker 1: California town. People are in and father evening that song. 165 00:11:12,396 --> 00:11:16,236 Speaker 1: It's Stevie Nicks singing duet in the great line, driving 166 00:11:16,276 --> 00:11:19,916 Speaker 1: over Canan singing to the soul because people out there 167 00:11:20,476 --> 00:11:25,116 Speaker 1: turn the music into gold. So clearly the adults were 168 00:11:25,116 --> 00:11:30,316 Speaker 1: having a grandall time. But what about the kids? That's 169 00:11:30,316 --> 00:11:45,796 Speaker 1: coming up right after the break. In just about every 170 00:11:45,836 --> 00:11:48,356 Speaker 1: interview I've done about Malibu in the three years I've 171 00:11:48,396 --> 00:11:51,516 Speaker 1: been making Lost Hells, there comes a point where the 172 00:11:51,556 --> 00:11:56,196 Speaker 1: person I'm talking to brings up the energy. With Rob Lowe, 173 00:11:56,436 --> 00:12:00,396 Speaker 1: it happened at minute fourteen. I actually think there's an 174 00:12:00,396 --> 00:12:03,316 Speaker 1: element to it of and this is going to sound 175 00:12:03,476 --> 00:12:07,116 Speaker 1: very I don't know, woo who is There's a there's 176 00:12:07,156 --> 00:12:14,316 Speaker 1: an energy in Malibu, sort of a karmic mana something there. 177 00:12:14,596 --> 00:12:18,436 Speaker 1: I really believe that that's that's really attractive and exciting, 178 00:12:18,916 --> 00:12:22,316 Speaker 1: But there's a real devil's bargain, and I think it 179 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:25,276 Speaker 1: a lot of it, I swear to God has to 180 00:12:25,316 --> 00:12:29,716 Speaker 1: do with Malibu itsself. I don't know if that's Shoemash 181 00:12:29,756 --> 00:12:33,476 Speaker 1: Indian stuff or what. Listen, if there's such a thing 182 00:12:33,516 --> 00:12:35,996 Speaker 1: as a vortex and that there's a vortex that you 183 00:12:36,036 --> 00:12:39,716 Speaker 1: could tap into or go looking for, if those things exist, 184 00:12:39,756 --> 00:12:45,036 Speaker 1: then there's definitely one there for sure. What he means 185 00:12:45,156 --> 00:12:48,636 Speaker 1: is shit got real out there on Point Doom. What 186 00:12:48,756 --> 00:12:52,036 Speaker 1: people don't realize about Malibu in that exact area era. 187 00:12:52,156 --> 00:12:55,276 Speaker 1: I moved there in the summer of the bicentennial summer 188 00:12:55,276 --> 00:13:00,956 Speaker 1: of seventy six and lived there pretty much full time 189 00:13:01,076 --> 00:13:12,676 Speaker 1: until eighty six. Was how rugged and violent and dark 190 00:13:12,796 --> 00:13:16,156 Speaker 1: it was, in addition to all of the other things 191 00:13:17,076 --> 00:13:20,156 Speaker 1: I always say, like the toughest white people I think 192 00:13:20,236 --> 00:13:23,556 Speaker 1: that I ever encountered, that I could ever imagine would 193 00:13:23,596 --> 00:13:27,996 Speaker 1: have been a local resident in Malibu in nineteen seventy six. Man, 194 00:13:28,036 --> 00:13:30,796 Speaker 1: white people can be tough. And whenever I ran into 195 00:13:30,796 --> 00:13:33,956 Speaker 1: like Sean Penn, we like look at each other and go, dude, 196 00:13:34,636 --> 00:13:37,796 Speaker 1: oh fuck, dude, we have to do a movie about 197 00:13:37,796 --> 00:13:42,116 Speaker 1: our childhoods Rob Lowe, he's a writer too, and he's 198 00:13:42,156 --> 00:13:45,676 Speaker 1: written about what he calls the savage undercurrent that ran 199 00:13:45,796 --> 00:13:50,436 Speaker 1: through Malibu in those days. I went to it's now 200 00:13:50,476 --> 00:13:52,956 Speaker 1: the high school, it's now called Malibu whatever the hell 201 00:13:53,036 --> 00:13:57,236 Speaker 1: it is high school. When I went to their seventh, eighth, 202 00:13:57,356 --> 00:14:03,836 Speaker 1: ninth grade, three years eight kids died. Now today, if 203 00:14:03,916 --> 00:14:06,556 Speaker 1: eight kids died in a school over the course of 204 00:14:06,636 --> 00:14:11,436 Speaker 1: three years, it would be headline and there would be uproars, 205 00:14:11,436 --> 00:14:14,436 Speaker 1: and there'd be panels, and there would be think pieces, 206 00:14:14,516 --> 00:14:18,916 Speaker 1: and there would be you know, you know, Malibu strong 207 00:14:19,116 --> 00:14:23,036 Speaker 1: slogans and everything else. And in those days, you're like, yeah, no, 208 00:14:23,156 --> 00:14:26,996 Speaker 1: I was pretty radical, wasn't it. Okay? Next, there were kids, 209 00:14:27,516 --> 00:14:31,156 Speaker 1: so clearly there were parents somewhere, but they weren't as 210 00:14:31,156 --> 00:14:35,836 Speaker 1: a rule, raising their kids. There was no parenting. I 211 00:14:35,876 --> 00:14:39,956 Speaker 1: never saw parents ever. And in fact, my brother was 212 00:14:39,996 --> 00:14:45,356 Speaker 1: given his first joint by his best friend's mother in 213 00:14:45,596 --> 00:14:52,116 Speaker 1: the fifth grade. And the great quote was she wanted 214 00:14:52,156 --> 00:14:55,876 Speaker 1: to quote smoke him out. Hey, you want to get 215 00:14:55,876 --> 00:14:59,676 Speaker 1: smoked out? And she of course also had a water 216 00:14:59,756 --> 00:15:02,676 Speaker 1: bed with a gigantic vibrator that she hid underneath it. 217 00:15:02,716 --> 00:15:05,636 Speaker 1: And that was also a big moment in my brother's development, 218 00:15:05,836 --> 00:15:10,316 Speaker 1: finding that the adults were finding them selves in a 219 00:15:10,316 --> 00:15:13,796 Speaker 1: big orgy of self involvement, which was happening on top 220 00:15:13,836 --> 00:15:18,076 Speaker 1: of a mountain of cocaine. So it was the sort 221 00:15:18,116 --> 00:15:23,556 Speaker 1: of burn your bra movement had kind of happened. You know, 222 00:15:23,556 --> 00:15:26,756 Speaker 1: whenever something big culturally happens, is that moment of okay, now, 223 00:15:26,796 --> 00:15:33,556 Speaker 1: what that had happened. Divorce had become not a scarlet 224 00:15:33,636 --> 00:15:36,636 Speaker 1: letter for the first time. Like everybody was. Everyone was 225 00:15:36,676 --> 00:15:40,756 Speaker 1: doing it, you know, everybody was doing like est. Everybody was. 226 00:15:40,996 --> 00:15:44,196 Speaker 1: Est was a big thing. Everybody was doing EST and 227 00:15:44,276 --> 00:15:47,276 Speaker 1: everybody was we thought, you know, coke had just gone 228 00:15:48,076 --> 00:15:53,116 Speaker 1: from sort of the rock and roll culture into suburbia 229 00:15:53,196 --> 00:15:56,636 Speaker 1: and it was still good for you. You know that 230 00:15:56,636 --> 00:15:58,116 Speaker 1: that was the thing. It was. It was good for you. 231 00:15:58,116 --> 00:16:02,076 Speaker 1: I hope you think and and and it's what successful 232 00:16:02,076 --> 00:16:05,236 Speaker 1: people did, don't you know. So like those were all 233 00:16:05,236 --> 00:16:06,836 Speaker 1: of the men, And there were only two types of 234 00:16:06,876 --> 00:16:11,796 Speaker 1: pot Maui Wowie and how hilarious is that name, Mallie Wowie? 235 00:16:11,836 --> 00:16:14,756 Speaker 1: And what was the other one? Um gosh, I was 236 00:16:14,796 --> 00:16:17,076 Speaker 1: never a pot guy, So I don't know, two types 237 00:16:17,076 --> 00:16:21,116 Speaker 1: of pot. That was it. Do you remember the moment 238 00:16:21,396 --> 00:16:28,836 Speaker 1: when coke came in to Malibu? Oh? Yeah, you know. 239 00:16:28,876 --> 00:16:32,476 Speaker 1: I had moved to Malibu from from Dayton, Ohio. In Dayton, Dayton, 240 00:16:32,516 --> 00:16:35,276 Speaker 1: ohioh was very very different, to put it mildly, and 241 00:16:35,756 --> 00:16:38,076 Speaker 1: I was never really accepted by the cool kids because 242 00:16:38,076 --> 00:16:42,316 Speaker 1: I didn't surf and I didn't play beach volleyball. I 243 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:49,756 Speaker 1: played tackle football, whiffleball, baseball. Those are my sports. Volleyball 244 00:16:49,916 --> 00:16:52,156 Speaker 1: was not on my thing, and like, if you didn't 245 00:16:52,156 --> 00:16:53,836 Speaker 1: do one of those two things, you were not a guy. 246 00:16:54,636 --> 00:16:56,196 Speaker 1: And then, of course I wanted to be an actor, 247 00:16:56,316 --> 00:16:58,996 Speaker 1: and no one wanted to be an actor then, which 248 00:16:59,156 --> 00:17:01,796 Speaker 1: was even in I thought moving to California, everybody would 249 00:17:01,796 --> 00:17:04,676 Speaker 1: be an actor and was not true. They were equally 250 00:17:04,716 --> 00:17:07,916 Speaker 1: as flummoxed by the thirteen year old wanting to be 251 00:17:07,956 --> 00:17:10,676 Speaker 1: an actors as the kids were in Dayton. Anyway, So 252 00:17:10,756 --> 00:17:14,036 Speaker 1: I was never really accepted by the cool kids. But 253 00:17:14,156 --> 00:17:18,876 Speaker 1: I did get to one cool kid's birthday party. It 254 00:17:19,076 --> 00:17:22,196 Speaker 1: was her seventh grade birthday party, and the big gift 255 00:17:22,316 --> 00:17:25,116 Speaker 1: she got from her seventh grade best friend was a 256 00:17:25,516 --> 00:17:30,556 Speaker 1: two grand vial of coke, and I remember that. I 257 00:17:30,716 --> 00:17:34,116 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, okay, I am in the inner sanctum 258 00:17:34,196 --> 00:17:41,596 Speaker 1: of Malibu cool seventh grade. I'm gonna say seventy seventy eight, 259 00:17:41,716 --> 00:17:45,756 Speaker 1: seventy let's say seventy eight, And I remember it was 260 00:17:45,836 --> 00:17:50,156 Speaker 1: in that You know those those like copper colored bottles 261 00:17:50,196 --> 00:17:55,156 Speaker 1: with a black top, screw on top with a chain 262 00:17:55,276 --> 00:17:58,356 Speaker 1: and a coke spoon hanging off of it. And do 263 00:17:58,396 --> 00:18:00,196 Speaker 1: you think she had got this kid had gotten it 264 00:18:00,356 --> 00:18:02,396 Speaker 1: from her parents, or how I mean, like stolen it 265 00:18:02,476 --> 00:18:03,996 Speaker 1: from her parents, or how do you think you even 266 00:18:04,116 --> 00:18:09,956 Speaker 1: get coke when you're fourteen years old in Malibu? Well, 267 00:18:09,996 --> 00:18:14,796 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know of one parent who 268 00:18:14,916 --> 00:18:17,636 Speaker 1: kept their coke in their sock drawer and the entire 269 00:18:17,676 --> 00:18:22,596 Speaker 1: neighborhood knew where it was. But if all the parents 270 00:18:22,676 --> 00:18:24,796 Speaker 1: are kind of acting like teenagers, I guess, on this 271 00:18:24,916 --> 00:18:27,796 Speaker 1: sort of quest for identity, then where does that leave 272 00:18:27,876 --> 00:18:31,876 Speaker 1: the kids? It leaves us running around in the gullies 273 00:18:32,596 --> 00:18:38,956 Speaker 1: smoking dope and eight kids getting killed overdosing on strychnine 274 00:18:39,036 --> 00:18:40,836 Speaker 1: which they think is coke and turns out its rat 275 00:18:40,916 --> 00:18:45,516 Speaker 1: poison or kludes and then deciding to go into the 276 00:18:45,556 --> 00:18:48,756 Speaker 1: ocean for a swim and never being seen again, or 277 00:18:49,836 --> 00:18:52,076 Speaker 1: being on another friend of mine on his ten speed 278 00:18:52,156 --> 00:18:54,756 Speaker 1: bike coming down self Ridge, someone goes wrong with a bike. 279 00:18:54,836 --> 00:18:56,876 Speaker 1: He crashes into a tree and a stick goes through 280 00:18:56,916 --> 00:19:00,956 Speaker 1: his eye and he dies. It's just like, not only 281 00:19:01,036 --> 00:19:04,036 Speaker 1: did the kids die, but they died in really like 282 00:19:05,476 --> 00:19:10,716 Speaker 1: horrible ways, you know, based on the times. We were 283 00:19:10,796 --> 00:19:14,636 Speaker 1: all freaked out about it for about a week and 284 00:19:14,716 --> 00:19:17,636 Speaker 1: then you kind of moved. Nobody's ever said anything. There's 285 00:19:17,676 --> 00:19:20,836 Speaker 1: never anything in the paper that I remember or nothing. 286 00:19:22,276 --> 00:19:25,476 Speaker 1: Disturbing stuff would happen all the time, like one long 287 00:19:25,636 --> 00:19:29,276 Speaker 1: after school special, all the blonde kids in op shorts 288 00:19:29,316 --> 00:19:32,996 Speaker 1: and hang ten shirts, but with a bizarro celebrity twist. 289 00:19:34,156 --> 00:19:36,716 Speaker 1: Do you know? Another great story is when Bob Dylan 290 00:19:37,076 --> 00:19:44,756 Speaker 1: was going through a custody battle and his wife sent 291 00:19:44,956 --> 00:19:50,396 Speaker 1: a bunch of goons into mister Seal's sixth grade class 292 00:19:50,636 --> 00:19:54,876 Speaker 1: at Point Dam Elementary to kidnap the kids, and they 293 00:19:55,396 --> 00:20:02,756 Speaker 1: hid in the closets while these guys ransacked the classroom narly, 294 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:06,396 Speaker 1: really supernarly. My brother was in the class when it happened. 295 00:20:07,036 --> 00:20:11,796 Speaker 1: Really insane police like the whole and again today that'd 296 00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:16,676 Speaker 1: be TMZ. For a year, they'd be talking about it. 297 00:20:19,436 --> 00:20:21,476 Speaker 1: This kid, I can see his face, I can in 298 00:20:21,636 --> 00:20:25,996 Speaker 1: my mind's eye in his name. Well, I wouldn't I 299 00:20:25,996 --> 00:20:28,676 Speaker 1: wouldn't get I wouldn't give his name because he survived this. 300 00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:31,676 Speaker 1: But it was a kid in my school and again 301 00:20:31,756 --> 00:20:38,316 Speaker 1: in junior high who was hitchhiking on Canaan, got picked 302 00:20:38,396 --> 00:20:42,836 Speaker 1: up and the guy took him into the woods and 303 00:20:43,076 --> 00:20:47,436 Speaker 1: chained him to a tree and took a pair of 304 00:20:47,556 --> 00:20:52,956 Speaker 1: tweezers out and tweezed out every one of his pubic hairs. 305 00:20:55,356 --> 00:20:57,596 Speaker 1: As I hear myself say it, it sounds like bullshit. 306 00:20:58,436 --> 00:21:04,956 Speaker 1: It's a ghost story. Yeah, insane, insane, insane, And I'm 307 00:21:04,956 --> 00:21:07,036 Speaker 1: sure nobody ever found the guy or caught the guy 308 00:21:07,236 --> 00:21:12,596 Speaker 1: or no, oh no, are you kidding? Nobody ever said 309 00:21:12,636 --> 00:21:16,716 Speaker 1: a word. He was like oh wow, no way, yeah, way, dude, 310 00:21:16,756 --> 00:21:21,676 Speaker 1: that's so gnarly. And nothing, no announcement at the school, 311 00:21:21,916 --> 00:21:25,836 Speaker 1: no counseling, no like, it just was. I mean, he 312 00:21:25,956 --> 00:21:27,996 Speaker 1: just the one thing is he never came back to school. 313 00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:33,436 Speaker 1: He was just gone. Then there was Paul Hackett, the 314 00:21:33,596 --> 00:21:37,756 Speaker 1: first kid Rob Lowe knew, who got famous, a Malibu 315 00:21:37,916 --> 00:21:42,316 Speaker 1: demigod and a skateboarding legend. His story is after the break. 316 00:22:10,956 --> 00:22:14,276 Speaker 1: Paul Hackett, the Malibu skater Kid, made the cover of 317 00:22:14,356 --> 00:22:18,836 Speaker 1: Skateboarder magazine in nineteen seventy seven, which for Malibu kids 318 00:22:19,156 --> 00:22:23,156 Speaker 1: was super nova stardom. Paul Hackett was the first person 319 00:22:23,236 --> 00:22:27,876 Speaker 1: I ever knew who had his own poster, and he 320 00:22:28,076 --> 00:22:33,756 Speaker 1: was gorgeous, blue, crystal blue eyes, handsome. Every girl loved him. 321 00:22:34,876 --> 00:22:36,836 Speaker 1: I was super jealous of him. I think he was 322 00:22:36,876 --> 00:22:39,436 Speaker 1: like two years older than I was, and he was 323 00:22:39,476 --> 00:22:42,276 Speaker 1: a skateboarder. And this is That's the other thing that 324 00:22:42,356 --> 00:22:47,356 Speaker 1: was huge then, not this thrashing skate park ship that 325 00:22:47,436 --> 00:22:51,476 Speaker 1: we have now, but like you know, Lords of Dogtown, 326 00:22:51,956 --> 00:22:54,516 Speaker 1: like that kind of like real skateboarding. You'd you know, 327 00:22:54,756 --> 00:22:58,836 Speaker 1: find abandoned pools and skate and it. It was very 328 00:22:58,916 --> 00:23:03,396 Speaker 1: sort of counterculture and punk rock and badass, and kids 329 00:23:03,436 --> 00:23:08,076 Speaker 1: were super tough. Who did it. Nobody were pads and 330 00:23:08,236 --> 00:23:11,716 Speaker 1: Paul Hackett was as the star. He was on the cover, 331 00:23:11,796 --> 00:23:13,196 Speaker 1: first person ever knew to be on the cover of 332 00:23:13,276 --> 00:23:18,676 Speaker 1: magazine Skateboarder magazine, and the first person who did what 333 00:23:18,796 --> 00:23:21,916 Speaker 1: they call an aerial, which sounds quaint to even say today. 334 00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:25,836 Speaker 1: That's when you take your skateboard and fly up over 335 00:23:25,956 --> 00:23:28,316 Speaker 1: the lip of the pool, which is now any kid 336 00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:32,276 Speaker 1: does that, but in the day it was revolutionary. Well, 337 00:23:32,596 --> 00:23:37,156 Speaker 1: Paul Hackett one day, I think, took some PCP and 338 00:23:39,036 --> 00:23:41,956 Speaker 1: came home to his parents' house at the top of 339 00:23:42,476 --> 00:23:44,556 Speaker 1: what was then called Sunset Mesa, I think it still 340 00:23:44,636 --> 00:23:47,916 Speaker 1: may be up by the getty at the bottom of Malibu, 341 00:23:48,716 --> 00:23:50,716 Speaker 1: and asked his mom to make him a sandwich. His 342 00:23:50,796 --> 00:23:53,996 Speaker 1: dad was watching TV, and he'd been up all night 343 00:23:54,796 --> 00:23:56,636 Speaker 1: and I won't even tell you what he'd been doing 344 00:23:56,676 --> 00:24:00,156 Speaker 1: before he got home because it's that that's for offline, 345 00:24:00,276 --> 00:24:02,756 Speaker 1: but it was kind of gross and weird. But he 346 00:24:02,796 --> 00:24:05,076 Speaker 1: asked his mom to make him a sandwich. She started 347 00:24:05,076 --> 00:24:06,916 Speaker 1: to make him a sandwich, walked away from the knife, 348 00:24:06,956 --> 00:24:10,276 Speaker 1: he picked it up and stabbed her to death as 349 00:24:10,356 --> 00:24:17,276 Speaker 1: the dad watched TV. He then took his skateboard and skated. 350 00:24:17,316 --> 00:24:21,236 Speaker 1: If you've ever been to since A Mesa, it's way 351 00:24:21,236 --> 00:24:23,316 Speaker 1: steeper than Gray Fox and really longer. And he tried 352 00:24:23,356 --> 00:24:26,276 Speaker 1: to commit suicide by skating all the way down and 353 00:24:26,476 --> 00:24:31,156 Speaker 1: through PC to light, you know, hoping to get by 354 00:24:31,196 --> 00:24:33,836 Speaker 1: a car. Didn't get hit by a car, picked the 355 00:24:33,876 --> 00:24:36,156 Speaker 1: skateboard back up, walked all the way back up again, 356 00:24:36,556 --> 00:24:39,196 Speaker 1: did it again, didn't get hit by a car, ended 357 00:24:39,276 --> 00:24:42,036 Speaker 1: up in what was then the camar Rio Insane Asylum 358 00:24:42,396 --> 00:24:45,436 Speaker 1: in a four point tie, and that was the last 359 00:24:45,476 --> 00:24:50,876 Speaker 1: I ever heard of him. Still, Lowe talks about his 360 00:24:50,996 --> 00:24:54,196 Speaker 1: time in Malibu with a ton of affection. He calls 361 00:24:54,236 --> 00:24:57,756 Speaker 1: it a California Tom Sawyer type of childhood. So I 362 00:24:57,796 --> 00:25:00,156 Speaker 1: asked him why he didn't stay and raise his own 363 00:25:00,236 --> 00:25:05,236 Speaker 1: kids there. That version of Malibu was gone when it 364 00:25:05,316 --> 00:25:09,436 Speaker 1: became billionaire row. Look when I grew up there, there 365 00:25:09,676 --> 00:25:15,276 Speaker 1: was one movie theater and one record store, and you 366 00:25:15,316 --> 00:25:18,716 Speaker 1: couldn't get a record or a movie that was contemporary 367 00:25:18,876 --> 00:25:23,596 Speaker 1: or new for over a month. And now Malibu has everything. 368 00:25:23,836 --> 00:25:28,196 Speaker 1: It has paparazzi that didn't happen today. If you go 369 00:25:28,276 --> 00:25:32,436 Speaker 1: to get a you know, Starbucks, there's seven paparazzi taking 370 00:25:32,476 --> 00:25:39,236 Speaker 1: your picture. That was unheard of, and everybody's super wealthy, 371 00:25:40,196 --> 00:25:43,036 Speaker 1: and so you know that that Malibu. I knew that 372 00:25:43,156 --> 00:25:47,276 Speaker 1: sort of quaint ride your horse to the supermarket was 373 00:25:47,356 --> 00:25:49,356 Speaker 1: gone forever, so that it was never an option to 374 00:25:49,956 --> 00:25:51,956 Speaker 1: raise them there. So I tried to find the next 375 00:25:52,036 --> 00:25:55,316 Speaker 1: best thing, and I found Monticito in Santa Barbara, which 376 00:25:55,476 --> 00:25:59,356 Speaker 1: are the closest things, and that's now changed. But twenty 377 00:25:59,396 --> 00:26:03,316 Speaker 1: eight years ago, Monticito Santa Barbara was as close as 378 00:26:03,356 --> 00:26:05,956 Speaker 1: I could find in California to the Malibu I grew 379 00:26:06,076 --> 00:26:09,476 Speaker 1: up in. The one place he still feels the old 380 00:26:09,516 --> 00:26:13,316 Speaker 1: Malibu is Point Doom, where he grew up. It has 381 00:26:13,516 --> 00:26:17,476 Speaker 1: remained the most time warped area of Malibu. I think, 382 00:26:17,556 --> 00:26:20,196 Speaker 1: to its credit. I will say Point Doom when I'm 383 00:26:20,196 --> 00:26:22,676 Speaker 1: there all the time, because I go and I still 384 00:26:22,716 --> 00:26:24,436 Speaker 1: surf there, and I have a friend does it. My 385 00:26:24,556 --> 00:26:28,316 Speaker 1: friends the only property with a private gate onto the 386 00:26:28,396 --> 00:26:33,636 Speaker 1: actual beach, which is extraordinary, and as you know, it's 387 00:26:33,716 --> 00:26:35,116 Speaker 1: gated and you have to have a key to get 388 00:26:35,156 --> 00:26:38,196 Speaker 1: in there. So I'm on Point Doom a lot. The 389 00:26:38,316 --> 00:26:43,356 Speaker 1: horses have been replaced with high falutin, high tech golf carts, 390 00:26:44,476 --> 00:26:47,556 Speaker 1: so now the kids rip around and their parents' golf carts. 391 00:26:47,916 --> 00:26:51,316 Speaker 1: It's the milf capital of the world. There was one 392 00:26:51,396 --> 00:26:55,556 Speaker 1: milf when I was there, and that was my friend's mom, who, 393 00:26:55,676 --> 00:26:58,436 Speaker 1: looking back on it, she was probably all of twenty six. 394 00:26:59,516 --> 00:27:01,396 Speaker 1: She was a checkout girl at the Mayfair market and 395 00:27:01,476 --> 00:27:03,916 Speaker 1: she's the one who hit her doldo under the bed 396 00:27:03,996 --> 00:27:07,356 Speaker 1: and smoked us out. But now, you know, all the 397 00:27:07,436 --> 00:27:11,156 Speaker 1: moms are particularly cute in Malibu, and they're all driving 398 00:27:11,196 --> 00:27:14,436 Speaker 1: their toeheaded kids with their boogie boards and their gigantic, 399 00:27:15,156 --> 00:27:18,236 Speaker 1: you know, beach cruiser golf carts down to the to 400 00:27:18,396 --> 00:27:20,556 Speaker 1: the thing. But but what's weird what's happened now is 401 00:27:20,636 --> 00:27:23,276 Speaker 1: all of those little ranch houses are bought up by 402 00:27:23,316 --> 00:27:26,196 Speaker 1: people who don't live in them. So there's this weird 403 00:27:26,356 --> 00:27:32,596 Speaker 1: thing now of seasonal occupants that did not ever happen. 404 00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:35,436 Speaker 1: So a lot of people buy the houses just to surf. 405 00:27:35,556 --> 00:27:37,756 Speaker 1: Like I know a tech guy who bought a house, 406 00:27:38,476 --> 00:27:40,676 Speaker 1: you know, right on Gray Fox, and he's there, you know, 407 00:27:40,836 --> 00:27:42,276 Speaker 1: only when he wants to surf. The rest of the 408 00:27:42,316 --> 00:27:44,716 Speaker 1: time he's in the Bay Area, So you know, it's different. 409 00:27:45,876 --> 00:27:51,916 Speaker 1: Roblow's stories have this very particular Malibu quality, sundazzle, gold dusted, 410 00:27:52,476 --> 00:27:58,796 Speaker 1: but right under that menace fear, maybe death, growing up, 411 00:27:58,836 --> 00:28:03,596 Speaker 1: there was a wonderful trauma that he's still processing the 412 00:28:03,716 --> 00:28:06,876 Speaker 1: people who survived it, like whenever we see each other 413 00:28:06,956 --> 00:28:09,476 Speaker 1: that we like run and like clutch onto each other 414 00:28:09,676 --> 00:28:14,316 Speaker 1: like debris and a shipwreck. He feels lucky to have 415 00:28:14,476 --> 00:28:18,116 Speaker 1: lived in Malibu back then and to have made it 416 00:28:18,196 --> 00:28:22,716 Speaker 1: out Alive. For more Rob Low, check out his podcast 417 00:28:23,076 --> 00:28:26,156 Speaker 1: Literally with Rob Low, where he talks to friends like 418 00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:29,996 Speaker 1: Molly Ringwald and Jennifer Aniston. It's in its second season 419 00:28:30,116 --> 00:28:33,636 Speaker 1: and releasing new episodes. He's also got a new podcast 420 00:28:33,756 --> 00:28:36,956 Speaker 1: which he co hosts with Alan Yang called Parks and Recollection. 421 00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:41,036 Speaker 1: It's all about their work on Parks and Rack. As 422 00:28:41,116 --> 00:28:43,756 Speaker 1: for me, we have another season two bonus episode coming 423 00:28:43,796 --> 00:28:49,156 Speaker 1: up in a few weeks. Stay tuned. Lost Hills is 424 00:28:49,196 --> 00:28:51,996 Speaker 1: written and reported by Me Gain a Good Year. 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