1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Readily, readily dalks. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Look at us now. Tip to Tim. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our fashion. That's the 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Well, my daughter's not in the house, 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: but we're ready to make some noise just the same. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, on this ninth of August twenty twenty one, 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas and 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: one half of your hosting duo. I'm from CBS Sports 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: in Showtime. I join you from the capital of Los 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: of status and needles right here in Washington, DC, and 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: I have a different co host. BC got a tan, 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: grew a beard, changed his hair, just changed everything. No, 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, of course, it's Rashad Evans, the winner of 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: The Ultimate Fighter, former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, and many 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: other accolades. What's up, sugar? How you doing? Man? 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: What's going on? LTA? We know BC can never be 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: this cool. Well man, come on, man, come on. 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: I know he always is like, oh, I've got bead. 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you are the last candidate whoever would 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: have that and people would recognize it. But okay, he 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: is missed he is on vacation. Where are you? Are 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: you in sunny South Florida House, South Florida these days? 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, sunny South Florida. Man, it's beautiful out here. The 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: weather still and it's been a little bit of a 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: rainy summer, but I'll take it, man. I mean it 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: gets hot in the summertime, so these showers actually cool 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: off the day pretty good out here. 30 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: You know, for people who live close to the beach, 31 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: you don't go to the beach very often, do you. 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: No, I don't. Sad to say it, I don't. And 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: every single time I go, I bring some people in town, 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: I say, man, I need to go to the beach more, 35 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: but I just I just never do. 36 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 2: Man. 37 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: By the way, do you ever get back to like 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: Niagara where you are you from from that area? Or 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: like how does that work? 40 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm from from Niagara Falls, New York. I haven't 41 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: been back since everything with COVID. It's just been kind 42 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: of crazy to go up to New York since that. 43 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: But I was going on a consistent basis I miss home, 44 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: you know. As the older I've gotten, you know, I've 45 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: grown to miss home a lot more now, So it 46 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: kind of holds a lot more of a sentimental value 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: than it did before. 48 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Well, listen, we got a lot of 49 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: stuff to get to here. We have UFC two sixty 50 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: five results to go over and a whole lot more so. 51 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Thumbs up on the video if you're new here or whatever, 52 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: and subscribe if you haven't done this already. We have 53 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: a live show Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and we do a 54 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: lot of stuff in between Thursday live chats, Saturday post 55 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: fight shows and interviews galor. 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If not, you can go pound 64 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: sand and be homes called you BC Rashad, Can you 65 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: hold up your shirt just a little bit for us, 66 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: because I believe you have an official MK shirt on 67 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: Hey and I do not? Yeah, he doesn't see. 68 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I do. 69 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: I finally got one in the maility of the day. 70 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: It's a little bit, a little bit big for me, 71 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: but you know what, out rocket. I normally like my 72 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: shirts extras, medium, just to kind of show off the 73 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 3: vegan cuts, but I guess a a big do with 74 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: this one. 75 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: They had they you know, they were they were watching 76 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: old tape of you fighting the hillbilly heart Throb what 77 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: was his name, Brad Eimes? That size for shot some 78 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: T shirts. 79 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: Uh, that's exactly what it was. Hey, I'll take it. 80 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: You know how long it took me to get the shirt. 81 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: I was thinking about making some of my own, but 82 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: you know that'll be bootlegging, and I'm not for any bootlegging. 83 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, I'll see. Do we miss anything? Oh? 84 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: I think we have some interviews. I believe BC spoke 85 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: to Manny Pacio and sings karaoke with him, which only 86 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: BC would ever elect to do. You can catch it 87 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel. I think he's got one with 88 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Errol Spence Junior if you want to check that out 89 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: as well. So YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat where 90 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: you're watching this right now, just dig around. We don't 91 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: just do the episodes. We do a lot of supplementary content, 92 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: and BC is doing a lot of interviews on the 93 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: boxing side. Okay, Rashad, you're ready to get this going. 94 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: Let's do it all right. 95 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: Point number one is where we start. Let's talk about 96 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: the main event for UFC two sixty five. Now, I 97 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: did a postfight show, but I've not heard from Rashad's. Well, 98 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: obviously it will give him the floor first. But Rashad, 99 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to say, actually, I don't 100 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: think it's unfair to say that Cyril Gon easily defeated 101 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: Derek Lewis in the final there. But let me ask 102 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: you this, what impressed you most about what Cyril Gan did. 103 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: I mean, his movement to me stood out was just 104 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: like I mean, I knew going into the fight his 105 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: movement was, you know, pretty good. 106 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: But I didn't think it was that good. 107 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: And when you start to break down his movement, it 108 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: is is something to behold. It is really something that 109 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of speakers to take note of, 110 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: especially fighters. 111 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: You know, the way that he's able. 112 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: To stay light on his feet the whole time, at 113 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: a nice consistent bounce, but at the same time never 114 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 3: long his feet to leave the ground. So he's not 115 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: without you know, feeling the ground. But then at the 116 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: same time he switches his stance and he operates at 117 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: this length where the guy has to reach a little 118 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: bit extra to reach him, but he gives the illusion 119 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: like he's a lot closer. And that illusion right there, 120 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 3: it makes it so that he can dart in and 121 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: out and just. 122 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: Pop you with the jab. 123 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: And then once a jab starts going, he starts breaking 124 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: down a leg on the foundation. But his transitions from 125 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: South Paul to conventional is so fluid because he does 126 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: it while he's striking, so the opponent never really sees 127 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: that he switched stances. And now whenever a guy switched 128 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: stands in front of you, you have to come with 129 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: a different defense. But when you don't realize a guy 130 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: is changed a stance on you, so you're still in 131 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: the same defense, and that opens you up for other things. 132 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: So, I mean, it was. 133 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: Just picture perfect, great movement, showed very high IQ just 134 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: because the simple way that he didn't get greedy with 135 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: one of. 136 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: Those areas of exploiting. 137 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: Derek Lewis. He took his time with it. You know, 138 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: he really took his time with it. You know, he 139 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: really allowed the fight to unfold. At the same time, 140 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: he avoided those big strikes. You knew how hard it 141 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: is to absorb the power from someone who has that 142 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: kind of power of Derek Lewis without grappling, without locking 143 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: up in any kind of way. What he did was 144 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: just completely just drawing Derek Lewis to the point where 145 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: his you know, with the in and out, the stops 146 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: and the stops and starts. It ruined the timing that 147 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: he needs for that big, powerful shot. But more importantly, 148 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: it just kept him in a position of just kind 149 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: of holding that shot to it was pretty much ineffective. 150 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: And then the fact that he took the legs out 151 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: of Derek Lewis, so then he didn't have the base 152 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: to land that big overhand right. He really just took 153 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: him apart systematically. He shows an IQ and headweight division, 154 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: he shows some wrinkles in the game, and after watching 155 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: him fight Saturday, like, there becomes a point when you 156 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: realize that you know a certain division has changed a bit, 157 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: and watching him fight, you realize that evolution of heavyweight 158 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: has definitely changed. 159 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. It's going to 160 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: sound a little odd, but it's something that I think 161 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people might ask, and I got a 162 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: couple of things I want to read to you here 163 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: just a second. But first things first, if what okay? 164 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: So we all agree that gon Is has a high 165 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: fight IQ. We all agree he's a very good athlete, 166 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: and we all agree he's well trained. But there are 167 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: a lot of fighters who are good athletes that have 168 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: good coaches and then you know, have a reasonably high 169 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: fight IQ. Why don't we see more people employ some 170 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: of the distance management kinds of things that he does? 171 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Why is heavyweight still so rock em sock them? 172 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 3: You know, it's a hard thing to master, to be honest, 173 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: and especially in the headweight division, because you know, it 174 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: doesn't take too many punches to really disorientate somebody where 175 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: you want to go in and go for the finish. 176 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: So a lot of times as heavyweights, you're battling with yourself. 177 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: Do you want to get the quick fission finish off 178 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: of rocking somebody or do you want to take more 179 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: of a patient approach? You know, and it becomes hard 180 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: because you'll find yourself in a patient battle. But then 181 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: you hit him with that one shot and then you 182 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: see guys jump in you know, my boy Greg Hardy 183 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: got caught with something like that when he thought Tya 184 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: tuy Vassa caught him with a good shot, rushed in 185 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: and got caught with the left hook. So it happens 186 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: over and over again in the heavy division. Now, the 187 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: difference is just being patient and understanding the fact that, Okay, 188 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: I had the gas tank to keep this pace going. 189 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: I had the gas tank to take my time. And 190 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: that's where Cereal Gone just kind of takes it to 191 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 3: another level because he knows that he can go at 192 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: that pace forever. He knows that he's not going to 193 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: get tired, So there's not that that whole impetus to 194 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: go out there and try to destroy once he feels 195 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: somebody's just a little bit hurt. 196 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I want to read you some 197 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: numbers here with Shad that I have found to be incredible. 198 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: One of the things that stood out to me, and 199 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: I wonder what you make of this. Everything you said, 200 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: certainly I have win no position to challenge and I wouldn't 201 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: I echo all of it, But there was something else 202 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: that really could have there's another side of the equation. 203 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: It's one thing sort of focusing on all the things 204 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: that Gon does in terms of movement, you can measure 205 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: or you know, punches that land or what punches he's 206 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: going for. The Other part is he is obviously doing 207 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: things to set himself up for offense, but it has 208 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: this way of also neutralizing his opponent, right, He's not 209 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: neutralizing them just through the strikes, just through the movement. 210 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: It's a lot of the fakes and the feints and 211 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: the angle change and the smothering and whatever else. Derek 212 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: Lewis couldn't get going. Do you know how many strikes 213 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: he landed Derek Lewis in the first round total? 214 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: Man? 215 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: I mean I probably maybe maybe two or three. 216 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, three he landed in the first round Gone twenty six. 217 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: Derek Lewis landed five in the second round Gon twenty three. Now, okay, 218 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Derek Lewis got a little bit better in round three eight, 219 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: but Cyril Gone had forty nine nine to eight twenty 220 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: six to three. I'm being dead serious. I cannot recall 221 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: the last time interim or otherwise a UFC belt was 222 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: up for grabs and there was that kind of striking 223 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: differential in all three rounds. 224 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: Can you No, I can't, But you know, why that 225 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: that happened was because you know, it was that he 226 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: caught him. He got him watching, He got him watching. 227 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 3: You know, when you have somebody like Syrel Gana. That's 228 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: another thing where his great movement comes into play, is 229 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: because when a guy has movement like that and he's 230 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: constantly switching stances every single time they move, every single 231 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: time they switch stance, that's an adjustment that you have 232 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: to make. And you can sit there if you're a 233 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: counterfeighter like Derek Lewis, and just be waiting all night 234 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: to land at perfect punch but never see it coming 235 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: because you don't see a look that you like, you know, 236 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: and that's. 237 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Where it comes. 238 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: Where you're the opponent like Derek Lewis, where you have 239 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: to go and then start to create something, start to 240 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: just touch here, touch there, and then eventually land that 241 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: big shot. 242 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: But I don't think. 243 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: Derek Lewis is in that stage of his devant as 244 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: a fighter. But it was just truly just the fact 245 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: that he just got caught watching. 246 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: So I was gonna say that, I mean part of it. 247 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: Like when this fight was over, I was like, you 248 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: know what, I don't even want to bag on Derek Lewis, 249 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: not merely because you know, it feels mean to do 250 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: that after somebody loses, but like just in the reality 251 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: of things, he was asked to do stuff here that 252 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he was really he didn't have the 253 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: skills to necessarily do to like corner Gone or shorten 254 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: the distance or you know, put the fight on his range. 255 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: What were the skills that he has shown in previous 256 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: fights that would lead you to believe he could do 257 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: that against Gone, especially in the big cage, not the 258 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: small cage. There was really nothing, but you mentioned something 259 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: I want to go back to here, And you know 260 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: I was bringing up on every year on the show 261 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: Overshod because it's one of my favorite KOs in UFC history. 262 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: You're KO of Sean Salmon, so you hit him with 263 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: the big head kick. It closed the show. How many 264 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: times did you see a look that, in your words, 265 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: you liked before you threw that. 266 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: I didn't really see the look that I liked for 267 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: a while. 268 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: You know, I threw the heck cake a few times 269 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: before that, but it just wasn't at the right time. Again, 270 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: I knew I kept getting wrong, but I felt like. 271 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: It was there. 272 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: So it took a little bit before that timing was there, 273 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: Like I lost the whole first round because I was 274 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 3: looking for that cake, because I was looking for that 275 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: big shot and I felt it was there, but I 276 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: just couldn't. 277 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: I couldn't. 278 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: I didn't see the look that I like, and every 279 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 3: single time I rushed it, I found myself getting taken 280 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: down or found myself, you know, defending something that he 281 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: was doing. 282 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: And that's when that's that's. 283 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: Where you just have to you know what you have 284 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: to go at some point you just have to be like, 285 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to anticipate. I'm going to 286 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: feed him the movement that I want in order to 287 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 3: anticipate the reaction that I want to have. 288 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the bouncing style of 289 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: Gon So when he's further away, not when he's right 290 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: in front of you, obviously, but if he's a little 291 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: bit further away let's say kickboxing ish long range, and 292 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: he's bouncing up and down, he's deciding what he's going 293 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: to do. He looks a lot like WonderBoy a little 294 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: bit right. I mean, there's some similarities obviously between that 295 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: his hands will be down, but when you know, first 296 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: of all, he doesn't have a karate background, he has 297 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: a muay Thai background, and he does a lot of 298 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: things differently once he decides to get going. How would 299 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: you say Gone style is similar to WonderBoy, but then 300 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: also maybe a little bit different. 301 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: I will say it's similar in the fact that they 302 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: do something with their feet, which is keeping their feet live. 303 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 3: Like if I keep my feet flat and stationary, that's dead. 304 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: You know, they're not dead, they're not in motion. But 305 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 3: if I bounce on them, I keep them live and 306 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: I keep them ready to react and move at a 307 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: moment's notice where I don't have to get them going again, 308 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: you know. So that's one thing that he does really well. 309 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: But he also does the same thing with his hands too. 310 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: He keeps his hands live too. They don't just stay 311 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 3: up here. They're kind of live, kind of emotions that way. 312 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: When you see something coming, he can just catch it 313 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: like he's cold and mits. 314 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: So that's one. 315 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: Thing that he does so well, and you don't really 316 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: see a lot of fighters do that effectively. But he 317 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: just has a great knack for it because he's got 318 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 3: a nice rhythm, a nice pace with that rhythm, and 319 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: he throws people off with the timing that he has 320 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: with that rhythm, it's almost like he's he's jump roping, 321 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, and he's getting a time, and he's getting 322 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: a time and then he sees the guys off beating them. 323 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: But there's a jab, there's a kid about, there's a 324 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: stand s which all those different things he can do 325 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: at a moment's notice because his feet are alive and 326 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: his hands are alive. 327 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: And I got to say, this is something that stands 328 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: out to me about him, Rashad, And I'll know what 329 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: you make of it. You see some guys who come 330 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: up and listen, everyone loves a big knockout. Everyone loves 331 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: the or at least you know, you have to respect 332 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: anyway if you don't love it. The thirteen second Ko 333 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: Connor had on Josie Aldo or you know it just 334 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: immediate impact boom sleeps him. But what is so like 335 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: a little bit terrifying about Cyril Gone is that one 336 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't take hardly any damage, as we mentioned. Two 337 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: when he fights at his pace, he can do it 338 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: for twenty five minutes, no sweat. But the other part 339 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: is he's just so patient. Like in the first round, Okay, 340 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: I read you the numbers and there's a big gap 341 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: in the numbers. But it wasn't like in the first 342 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: round Derek took a beating or something. Even in the 343 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: second round didn't take he was he lost, don't get 344 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: me wrong, But he didn't get like really hurt. He 345 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: didn't get dropped, he didn't get cut, he didn't get 346 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't just you know, he was shaking 347 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: on his foundation. He just kind of got out pointed 348 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. And you know, I'm sure the strikes hurt, 349 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: but it wasn't tremendous. Now he took a beating in 350 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: the third round, obviously, But this is my point. It's 351 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: like the frog in the pot. Not a theory, right, 352 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: which is if you put a frog in a boiler 353 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: or the in the water, but you turn the heat on. 354 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: It's not boiling yet, the frog's like, I'm good to go. 355 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: But by the time it's boiling, it's at that point 356 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: you're too late. He will get not He doesn't give 357 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: away rounds. He won the rounds gone, but he doesn't 358 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: immediately try to put you in trouble. He makes a 359 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: ton of reads. He takes his time, but once he's 360 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: got the information, he's looking for dude, the avalanche comes 361 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: down hill a million miles an hour, and there's really 362 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: nothing you can do at that point because he knows 363 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: where he should be, he knows what you're gonna do, 364 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: he knows what you're gonna react, and he opens up 365 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: with many different kinds of strikes and he's kind of 366 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: kept sheathe through the first and so rounds right. 367 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: Very true, very true. 368 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: He's very disciplined in that respect, you know, very very 369 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: simple with the ones in the twos, but not even 370 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: throwing combinations, just kind of like picking you apart, just 371 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: getting him in there really fast and just looking for reactions. 372 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: You know, he's just just just gathering all the data 373 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: that he can from everything that you do. And it 374 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: seems like he has such a great vision, just a 375 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: broad vision of when he sees his opponent and what 376 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: needs to go next. And then once he gets a 377 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: guy a little bit any kind of way, not throwing up, 378 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: shelling up too hard against the fence, then he allows 379 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: the combinations to start to come in. 380 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: And then at that. 381 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: Point when the combinations come in, it's already over because 382 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: you're like, man, this dude is all over the place. 383 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: It feels like there's three people in the actor God 384 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: with me. 385 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: You know, he's kicking my leg, he's up here, he's 386 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: in my body, he's on the side of me. I 387 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: don't know where to fight him. I'm a cover up. 388 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: I can't do anything about this. You know, it's really 389 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: really a rare to see such an athlete such great movement. 390 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: And I mean just i q i q that that 391 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: that you don't really see with somebody with the experience 392 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: level of a god. 393 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: One last thing, I want to move to a different 394 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: point here, but you had mentioned that he keeps his 395 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: feet live. Okay, but like someone like Adasania is like 396 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: a step and slider. Now he's moving, he's managing distance, 397 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: he's making reads, but he doesn't bounce. So how does 398 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: he get away with it? Because he does the leans 399 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: and because he's got good eyes, Like, what would be 400 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: the difference there? 401 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: Well, I would say the difference is, you know, with 402 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 3: both of them, they never allow their feet to totally 403 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 3: leave the ground so long as their feet is on 404 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 3: the ground. Rather you kind of have that bounce, you 405 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: have the slide, you your feet is still live. But 406 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: with with Israel, he's more of a trap setter. And 407 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 3: that's what the slides are used for you slide out 408 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 3: the way, then you go on to the other angle. 409 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: That guy doesn't see you at the last minute, then 410 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 3: you then it's a trap that you set for him. 411 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 3: But with God, he's more of a like of a 412 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: of a fainting of I guess, of controlling the range 413 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: type of fighter with the way that he uses his 414 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: bounce in and out. And it also plays in there 415 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: with a stop and go. You know, when you have 416 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: a guy that fast and athletic, now not only using 417 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: a bounce, but then he had to stop and go. 418 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 3: Now you don't even know an a counter win the 419 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 3: counter because when you think he's going, he's not going. 420 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: And then you find yourself punching in the air. 421 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: And we all know a punch that you swing in 422 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: the air that does not connect drains more energy than 423 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: the punch. 424 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 2: Had it connected. 425 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 3: So that's the thing that that's the biggest difference between 426 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: the two of them. But it's just you know, the 427 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: traps at this set at a sign is more of 428 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: a trap setter, whereas in the headway division, God is 429 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 3: more of just a sparker. 430 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: He's gonna get the jump on. 431 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: These guys because he's given them the illusion of range. 432 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: I saw some people criticizing the effort from Derek Lewis, 433 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 1: and I get it. It's high level pro fighting, it's 434 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: high level sports. If you come up on the big stage. 435 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: This was something he had been He'd won four fights 436 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: in a row, he had knocked out viciously Curtis Blades 437 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: to get to this fight. So if you fail on 438 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: that stage, or if you don't win on that stage, 439 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: there's obviously going to be some critique, some of it fair, 440 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: some of it unfair. But to me, I said at 441 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: the beginning here Rashad, he was being tasked with something 442 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: to win in this fight that you know previously he 443 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: had not shown that that was a part of his 444 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: skill set. He's got big power, he's patient, he's experienced 445 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: fair enough like he's got definitely potent weapons. But I 446 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: didn't expect him to win this fight. I didn't expect 447 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: him to make it even all that close. And I 448 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: still think that the things Derek Lewis does well will 449 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: still be viable against a range of other opponents, just 450 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: not Zeril Gone. Not right now. Did you feel like, 451 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: again he didn't win, he didn't look all that great, 452 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: But did you feel like, I don't know, Derek Lewis 453 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: could have been better. I don't really buy that argument. 454 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: No, I think that he was the best that he's 455 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: going to be. I think that there is a level 456 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 3: that he still needs a gain and the skill. I mean, 457 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 3: you know, he's grown so much and we've seen him 458 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 3: grow and develop right before our eyes and it's been phenomenal, 459 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: but we still have to remember there's a lot of 460 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: growth that he still has to gain. You know, he's 461 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: just now, you know, really starting to unleash some of 462 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: his athleticism. I think that, you know, once he gets 463 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: more comfortable releasing the athleticism that he has, because you 464 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: see some of the amazing kicks and amazing jump spins 465 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: and stuff like that with Derek Lewis, but it just 466 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: doesn't seem like he has a methodology behind throwing those 467 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 3: big techniques. It seems like they're just big techniques out 468 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 3: of nowhere without having a rhyme and reason setting them up. 469 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: When he understands the rhyme. 470 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: And reason and why and how to use those big techniques, 471 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: those athletic athletic movements, then he's going to transformer his game. 472 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: But he also has to learn that every punch doesn't 473 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: have to be a knockout punch sometimes, and especially in 474 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: the hegaweight division, you don't need to throw the punch 475 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: and knock them out, just touch. If you touch them, 476 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 3: then you can touch them pretty soon you'll be able 477 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: to land that big, powerful shot that they don't see. 478 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 3: And when you're throwing a punch with that kind of 479 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: power that you don't see, it's a knockout ko every 480 00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: single time. 481 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what Gon does, right, Touch, yeah, touch, touch, 482 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: and then once he feels comfortable, that's when ever anything 483 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: else comes. 484 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, that's when you drop the bomb, 485 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: and that's how you should do it. And at the 486 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: headweight division you can go a lot further. Your gas 487 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: tanking will a lot further. You can be more efficient 488 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: if you're a little bit more economical with the pace 489 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: that you throw your punches, no doubt about it. All. 490 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Right, let's go to point number two here we stay 491 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: with Serial Gon, but now we know what the stakes are. 492 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: Whether you agreed with it or whether you didn't. This fight, 493 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: the one over the weekend, was for the interim heavyweight title. 494 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: As such, Serial Gon becomes the official interim UFC heavyweight champion, 495 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: which means he is now on a collision course for 496 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: the existing weight class champion, which is Francis and Ganu. 497 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: Now BC is funny. I texted the coach of Francis, 498 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: Eric Nixon, over at Extreme Couture, and when I had 499 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: texted him this was, I mean, I don't know midday 500 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: my time is, Well, he's three hours behind yesterday. He 501 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: has said he'd already watched five hours of film study 502 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: or so spent five hours anyway with film study on Gone. 503 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: So they've got a great team over there. They know 504 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: what they're up against. Nevertheless, what is your early impression 505 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: about how Gone versus Francis might go, and in particular, 506 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: what do you see within Francis's existing skill set that 507 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: leads you to believe perhaps he could make it competitive 508 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: for a retain this title. 509 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, the power for one, you know, 510 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: is is something that you know cannot be understated. But 511 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: more importantly, I think that you know, Francis has such 512 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 3: a high learning curve. You know, this guy learns so fast, 513 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: and you know to think that you know, we're gonna 514 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: have the same Francis that we had last time we 515 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: went out. It will be it will be false for 516 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: us to say that, because that's how fast and that's 517 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: how many tools he's putting in his toolbox. 518 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: At all times. 519 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: This guy learns so fast, and it's going to be 520 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: interesting how he approaches this fight. Because after watching the 521 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: film Sparing, the film footage between them spar and I've 522 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: seen a couple rounds and whatnot, And granted, it's training, right, 523 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: you're not going one hundred percent, And even the way 524 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: that they were moving, it looked as if like they 525 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 3: were working with each other. They had like a nice flow. 526 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 3: You know, that's the kind of that's a perfect kind 527 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: of training partner. You want somebody that you can have 528 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: a nice flow with and get some really good looks 529 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: at and work the timing, but more importantly, worth that 530 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: cardio base that fighting you know that you don't normally 531 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: get to work on in the live sparring session. So 532 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: after watching all of that Sparing, I kind of noticed that, 533 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, they kind of had some you know, 534 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: techniques here, this one had better than that one. But 535 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 3: what I paid attention to in Keton was who had 536 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: to come out of their fighting game more. And based 537 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: off of what I seen, I seen Francis having to 538 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 3: come out of his fighting game more. And granted he 539 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: was able to do so and sparring, but in a 540 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: fight on in a five round fight, when you know 541 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 3: it's hard blows being thrown and he's throwing hard blows 542 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: and he's exerting energy, how can he keep that pace? 543 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So that's one thing to 544 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 3: me that kind of spelled that, you know, Francis, you know, 545 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: could be in a little bit of trouble this fight. 546 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 3: Not saying that he's going to lose, but at the 547 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 3: same time, this fight is something different than he's ever 548 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: had to prepare for it because I don't think anybody 549 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: he's ever trained with is that comfortable with him. You know, 550 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 3: Mike Tyson used to beat people before they got in 551 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: the cage, just with the anticipation, the fact that you 552 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: know this Mike Tyson, he can knock me out well 553 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: because these guys know each other. Francis doesn't have that 554 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: advantage over Cerel God. He's going to go in there 555 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: feeling comfortable with him, which can spell another problem for 556 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 3: him because people make mistakes when they're afraid, and if 557 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 3: he's not making mistakes and he's cool, calm and collective, 558 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 3: and he's moving like a cat out there stances and this, 559 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: I mean it can be it can be a hard one. 560 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: Here's something else that sort of stood out to me 561 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: when I go back to those numbers. Okay, so maybe 562 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: Derek didn't land on him a lot three five punches around, 563 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: But here's something else for Shad, none of those were 564 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: really clean. Like dude, Gon doesn't get hit clean very often. Now, 565 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: the good thing about Francis is, as you know, he 566 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to hit you clean to send you 567 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: to the land of wind and ghosts. But still, if 568 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: your numbers are down and within those numbers, those aren't 569 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: clean shots. Boy, that's a hard way to try and 570 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: win a fight. How much of the development of Francis 571 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: after leaving training with Gon, because obviously he's had you know, 572 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how many, well several camps at this 573 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: point with extreme cature. Is there enough of a difference there. 574 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 3: I think there may be enough of a difference, you know, 575 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: because it's all about the way that Francis approaches the fights. Now, 576 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: you know, he's a lot a lot more cerebral in 577 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: his approach, you know, in his last fight with Stevepey, 578 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: he showed that he can have the patience. He showed 579 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: that he can you know, touch and like I was 580 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: saying before, and not just try to throw every single 581 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 3: power shot, you know, every single time throwing a power shot. 582 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 3: Those are the things that's gonna be able to help 583 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: him in a fight with Cereal God where you can't 584 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: unload on every single punch where the guy does a 585 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: good job of making you miss a lot. When a 586 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 3: guy does a good job making you miss a lot, Okay, fine, 587 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to implement your own fakes, feints, movements, 588 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 3: but at the same time you're gonna have to touch 589 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: and then be economical and see that big punch and 590 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: land it when you can. But I mean, it's gonna 591 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: be a tough one. You know, this guy, serial gon 592 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: Is is phenomenal. And here's the thing about it. He's 593 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: with France's LOWD coach. He knows, you know, what Francis does, 594 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: his strengths. His weakness is. You know, there's some things 595 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: that Syrial God bring to the table that's just better 596 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: than France's. From what we've seen, his whole ground approach, 597 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: everything that he does on the ground. You know, it 598 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: could be higher than Francis. Francis probably has most definitely 599 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: grown on the ground. But is it gonna be at 600 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 3: a rate that can compete with somebody like Serial God. 601 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. If you were 602 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: if you were training Francis, you know, and you were 603 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: thinking about how to program the training camp, where would 604 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: you be spending majority of your interests? You got to 605 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: work on everything. I get it. But like you know, 606 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: for example, we'll talk about Vicente Luk here in just 607 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: a few he was saying for this camp with Michael Kiessa, 608 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: he was it was his worst camp only because he 609 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: had to wrestle constantly, constantly, constantly, constantly. So how would 610 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: you program a camp for Francis given what he's up 611 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: against with zero? 612 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 3: Well, the first thing you got to go for that movement, 613 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: you know, you really have to make him pay a price, 614 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 3: and you have to try to tax those legs early 615 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: as possible, or make them think that you're going to 616 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: tax those legs early as possible, so you know, whenever 617 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: he's in position throwing leg cakes, you know, throwing fakes 618 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: and fans of your own well without you know, with 619 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: the fact that you know, this is Francis right, and 620 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: you know you got to be careful with his gas 621 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 3: tank and stuff like that, so you don't want to 622 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: make them go too far out. 623 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 2: Of his way. 624 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: But at the same time, every single time Seria Gone 625 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 3: switches stances, that's. 626 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: When we're attacking. 627 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 3: You know, we're not allowing him to to get comfortable 628 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: for a second. The minute he switched stances, we're throwing, 629 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: you know, the minute he kind of settles in front 630 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: of you, we're throwing those John Jones oblique kicks right 631 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 3: the right to the front of the knee. Those are 632 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 3: the kind of things that you need to put a 633 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: halt on Ceial Gone, because when he gets going with 634 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 3: that movement, it's over. 635 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: So, in other words, it's okay, true or false, true 636 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: or false if you don't attack the movement of Cyril Gone. Basically, 637 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: he can't be beat. 638 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 3: I mean, from what I'm saying now, I don't think so. 639 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: I don't think so just because I mean, he makes guys, 640 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: He leaves guys in such a bad position when they're 641 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: trying to punch him, trying to chase after this movement. 642 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: They're out of position, their head is over their feet, 643 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: they're stretched out, they're just not in a good position 644 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: to land anything. So yeah, they have to take care 645 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: of his movement right away. 646 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: And the other sort of X factor here, as you 647 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: well know we've been talking about it is that these 648 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: guys used to train together and then Francis had a 649 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: falling out with the guy who it was the trainer 650 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: for nand Lopez. Again, I'm not sure exactly what the 651 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: nature of that is, but Rashad, you know, falling out 652 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: and fighting old teammates better than most of us. Who 653 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: would it wear on more? Would it wear more on 654 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: Francis or would it wear more on Cyril? 655 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: It wears more on Francis. 656 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: You know, France is the one who's you know, severed 657 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: from the relationship. And you know, you always remember the 658 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: people that you came up with. You always remember the 659 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: people who was there with you when you didn't even 660 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 3: know you were gonna make it. But believe in you, 661 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 3: you always remember those people and they always hold a 662 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: special place in your heart. And when you feel as 663 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: if like you've been wrong by those persons, wrong by 664 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 3: that person, then that's just that's that's something internally that's 665 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: hard to get over in yourself from that standpoint, and 666 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: then you put on top of it, you have a 667 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 3: fighter who's now trained with that guy, and you know, 668 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: it does it does play with your mind a bit, 669 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: and it does bring you into the fight a little 670 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 3: bit more emotional than you would be had not that 671 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: situation occurred. So you know, Francis could be coming in 672 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 3: there like man, you know, feel in a certain kind 673 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: of way emotionally speaking about it. 674 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: How long did it take you before you were able 675 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: to like talk to I don't know, Greg Jackson or 676 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: Mike winkle John after everything went down the way it did. 677 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: It took some years. 678 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: It took some years, and it took a lot of introspection, 679 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: you know, to see where I was wrong. You know, 680 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: you really can't forgive anybody until you're able to kind of, 681 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: you know, see where you know, see the part that 682 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: you played in it. 683 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: And it took a while. 684 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: For me to be able to see the part that 685 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: I played in it. But once I was able to 686 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: sit back and just see the part that I played 687 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 3: and everything and just kind of, you know, really just 688 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: appreciate the relationship for what it was, you know, because granted, 689 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: no matter you know, if they you know, screwed me 690 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: over or not. I won a lot of fights. I 691 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: was able to achieve my wildest dreams off of the 692 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: work that they helped me achieve. You know, they were 693 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: there for me, and that can never be taken away. 694 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: So I didn't want to tarnish those memories by being 695 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: mad at them, because in a sense, it would have 696 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 3: decayed a piece of myself. 697 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: You know. 698 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: Did they ever come back and be like, Yoshad, we 699 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: kind of fucked that up? Sorry, did they ever do that? 700 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: Nah? 701 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 3: They never they never did that. They never did that, 702 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 3: but you know, we remained remained pretty cool. They asked me, 703 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 3: you know, Mike Winkle, John asked me, you know, to 704 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 3: sign and put a picture up on the wall at 705 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: the gym at Jackson Gym. So I kind of felt 706 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 3: like that was Yeah, I felt like that was a 707 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: way of making amends, you know, you know with the 708 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: great story that that we've been able to, you know, 709 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 3: achieve at Jackson Gym and a legacy that we you know, 710 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 3: we built, you know, it just it made me feel 711 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: proud that I got a chance to to be in 712 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: such a program like that, you know, from the beginning 713 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: of it. So you know, it's something that happens in 714 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: growth and in time. 715 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: I think France is a get there before we move 716 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: on to the other fights on this card, and there 717 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: were many good ones. One more thing about John Jones. 718 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: So let me give you a theory, Rashad. I don't 719 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: know that what I'm about to say is true, but 720 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to dismiss it either. It goes as follows. 721 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 1: If you look at the last few fights, no more 722 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: than that. Even though the last chapter of John Jones's 723 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: run at light heavyweight, and there may be many factors 724 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: that explain this, there was a pretty big drop off 725 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: in performance. He looked really good in the second gust 726 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: of Sinn fight. I'll give him that, no doubt about it. 727 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he ced that one in a vicious way. 728 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: But again, some of the other ones you know there, 729 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: Santos is your Reeis is your Smith's, and I include 730 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: some other ones as well. I actually went through when 731 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: I measured his takedown accuracy and takedown performance, it dropped 732 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: off a cliff relative to how it was in his 733 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: early UFC reign. Now, there could be a lot of 734 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: factors that explained that. Did he train enough, did he 735 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: care about wanting to beat those opponents enough. Did he 736 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: kind of phone it in the middle of the fight? 737 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. All I'm saying is I don't want 738 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: to assume automatically that he goes to heavyweight and then 739 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: just runs the table. I certainly take it possible he 740 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: could do just that, but rather than just assuming that's 741 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen, I have a bit more 742 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: of a weight and see approach. I want to ask 743 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: you how he matches up first, But before I do that, 744 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: is that a fair Do you think my trepidation about 745 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: automatically assuming he's gonna kick everyone's ass at heavyweight is 746 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: right or wrong? 747 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: I think it's right. 748 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: You know, when you look at John's last fights, as 749 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: you said, you know it was it was very close, 750 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: and it was you know, due to the fact that 751 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: you know, his cloak events of the invincibility has been shattered. 752 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: You know, people weren't afraid of him anymore, and they 753 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: were really challenging in places where they weren't before, and 754 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 3: they were really pushing the pace, and you know, all 755 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: these different things that John just wasn't used to before 756 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: from a challenge, and now he's going up to heavyweight. 757 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: You know, and before I was like, Okay, he's moved 758 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 3: up to heavyweight and these guys, you know, he'll have 759 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: the advantage because he moves really well, he has a 760 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 3: fight IQ, and you know, he has all these intangibles. 761 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 3: But he's given away a lot of those intangibles. You know, 762 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: his reach, he's given away. He's given up, you know, 763 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 3: his size advantage, he giving up his power advantage. He's 764 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 3: given up a lot of things that he didn't have 765 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 3: to worry about light heavyweight. And then now with a 766 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: guy like Serial Gone, he may be giving up the 767 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 3: movement advantage. You know, a guy like Serial Gone, he 768 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: moves better than John Jones. He's more creative with this 769 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 3: movement with John Jones than John Jones is. So those 770 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 3: those are things that John is going to have to 771 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 3: come into the heavyweight class renewed. He can't be the 772 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 3: same John Jones as he was at two oh five. 773 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 3: And I think maybe this is why it's taking him 774 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 3: so long to kind of make this jump to heavyweight, 775 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 3: because he has to reinvent himself. But from watching yeah, 776 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 3: from watching John Jones hit mits recently as a heavyweight, 777 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't look as fast as he used 778 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 3: to he actually looks like a legit heavyweight with the speed, 779 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 3: now you know what I'm saying. So he doesn't have 780 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 3: that speed anymore, as it seems, you know from just 781 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 3: watching him hit mits that he did when he was 782 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 3: like heavyweight. So John Jones is gonna have to come 783 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 3: into the heavyweight division totally a new fighter. 784 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah again, I don't know how he'll do. He might 785 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: go in there and win the belt. But you know, 786 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: Steve Bay, Francis Cyril Gone, these are these are unique 787 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: challenges that didn't exist like this five years ago, something 788 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: four years ago. Even Steve Bay was obviously there, but 789 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: in this sort of polished modern version, this is a 790 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: this is a it's not it's just it's a tough 791 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: climb time. 792 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna say this, these challenges didn't exist 793 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 3: when John Jones made a decision to move up to heavyweight. 794 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 2: That's how fast the heavyweight division is changing. 795 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: Fair point. Okay, So let's get to that Comaine event, 796 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: which just unbelievable. So Jose Aldo defeats Piedro Muno's in 797 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: the Komine event. I have to say, I'm so just 798 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: impressed by Aldo. Rashad and I said this on the 799 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: postfight show. He's got a little of what happened to 800 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: Rich Franklin. And Rich Franklin is a different fighter, different era, 801 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: different career, different skill sets, different realities, even on why 802 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: he got pushed into certain divisions at the time that 803 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: he did. But basically when he found out Rashad as 804 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: you remember, I'm sure you know he realized after two 805 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: fights with Andy and he was not, you know, that 806 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: he was not going to be middleweight champion as long 807 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: as Anderson Solvo was around. So what did he decide 808 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: to do? He took some tough fights still at one five. 809 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: He took some tough fights at two o five. Sometimes 810 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: he won, sometimes he lost, but he was committed and 811 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: he beat some good guys even after it was clear 812 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: he was never going to beat Anderson Silva. I feel 813 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: like Josieldo's doing something a little bit similar. Now, this 814 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: is the question to you, though I thought he was 815 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: just going to take tough fights at one thirty five 816 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: after losing to Peter Yon and be like, hey, he 817 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: still wants to just do this because he likes it. 818 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: But after beating Pedro Munoz the way that he did thoroughly, 819 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: I would argue, do you think it's fair to say 820 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: he might have another title run in him? 821 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Jose all the turn back the 822 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 3: hands of time on Saturday, you know, and it's very 823 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 3: rare to see a fighter at that stage of his 824 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: career to do such a thing. But what he did, 825 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 3: you know, he went back to the basics, went back 826 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 3: to the basics. Straight punches, right down the middle, none 827 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 3: of those looping punches, but straight down the middle fast. 828 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 3: You know, when you see a guy who's getting older, 829 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 3: you notice that his legs are the first to go. 830 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 3: The legs are the first to go. Then his ability 831 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 3: to absorb a shot takes a hit, he's not able 832 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 3: to absorb a shot. But then even the ability to 833 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 3: recognize when the shots are coming, they start to fade. 834 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 3: But Jose had an A plus on all of those scales. 835 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,959 Speaker 3: And then his IQ is showing more and more as 836 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 3: he you know, as a fight goes on. You know, 837 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 3: was the first cup of rounds he wasn't kicking. He 838 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 3: waited systematically until he had Pedro Munho's broken down with 839 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 3: just his ones and twos and just the simple movements, 840 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 3: and then he started dropping that leg kick in. 841 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: Now the leg kick that. 842 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 3: Josie also has has been something that's been missing out 843 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 3: of his game on a consistent basis since he since 844 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 3: his reign as the dominate featherweight champion. You know, he 845 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 3: just kind of stopped kicking, but it seemed like he's 846 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 3: found that rhythm again to start kicking again. He's found 847 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 3: a time again to start kicking again, and he's he's 848 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 3: got himself in a position where, honestly, beating a guy 849 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: like Padri Muoni is the way that he did, he 850 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 3: shows that he's right up there, man, He's right up there. 851 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: Two things that stood out to me about this fight. 852 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: One good thing about Aldo. One thing that I thought 853 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: Munyos just didn't. You know, listen, I'm not gonna sit 854 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: here and be like Pedro Munhos did this wrong, but 855 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: I can make this argument. First thing I would say 856 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: is this Aldo immediately when they first faced off in 857 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: that first round, just checking everything, not allowing Pedro Munoz 858 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: to get any kind of lead, any kind of you know, rhythm, 859 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: going with the leg kicks first of all, that I 860 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: think played a role for some of the things later 861 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: on that you had pointed out. The second part is, 862 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: b see, if you go back and look at the 863 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: tape study on Max and how he fought Aldo. One 864 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: thing he did. He did it different ways in the 865 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: two fights, but he was pretty consistent about it, which was, 866 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 1: you gotta make Aldo turn constantly turning, turning, turning, turning, 867 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: so he couldn't set and throw the way that he 868 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: wanted to. Man, Munos was right in front of him 869 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: and not. I mean he would angle off a little bit, 870 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: but not really. I just feel like if you don't, 871 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: if you don't make Aldo uncomfortable or to bare minimum 872 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: challenge his ability to anticipate and throw and then get 873 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: out of the way right because he can just stand 874 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: right there and wait on you. Man, He's gonna be 875 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: a hard guy to beat. He's going to be a 876 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: really really hard guy to beat. I feel like Muno's 877 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: and the game plan they had once the leg kicks 878 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: weren't there. They didn't go to any movement based sort 879 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: of strategy, and that made the fight more or less 880 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say unwinnable, but pretty close to it. 881 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. You know. 882 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 3: Another thing to add to your point, You know, Josie, 883 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 3: although he fought like the bigger fighter when he fought 884 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 3: against Peter Young Peore Young, he didn't fight like he 885 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 3: was a bigger fighter, you know, but in this fight, 886 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 3: he fought like he was the bigger fighter. He looked 887 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 3: massive in there against Pedro, you know, just the way 888 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 3: that he was holding the space. He was he was 889 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 3: really doing a good job of holding the space, but 890 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 3: more importantly just kind of backing Pedro down and just 891 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 3: doing so in such a fashion where he looks so 892 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 3: much bigger than Pedro. And if he fights that way, 893 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 3: he fights and be the bigger fighter at one thirty five, 894 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 3: he can do to other people at one thirty five 895 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 3: where Max Holloway did to him at. 896 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 2: One forty five. 897 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: Interesting. Now, let me ask you about this because I 898 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: found this stat. It's not even really a stat, it's 899 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: just a fact, and it just blew my mind for 900 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: a couple of different reasons. Okay, first things first, So, 901 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: since Jose fought Connor McGregor, his record is five and five. 902 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he had like one loss prior 903 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: to that. It's kind of amazing how and those aren't chumps, 904 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, those are good fighters he's fighting. 905 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: Every two of the five losses are Max Olloway right, 906 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: so you know he's not he's not fighting scrubbed by 907 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: in stretch of the imagination. Still, you know, he's got 908 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: a five hundred records since then. But let me really 909 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: boil your brain. Connor McGregor has a three and four 910 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: record since then. So neither of them have distinguished records 911 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: in terms of like numbers since they fought each other. 912 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: But even Connor has a has a worse record at 913 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: least numerically than Jose did in both actually won titles 914 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: within that five and five and three and four run. 915 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: Is that not just the wildest sort of like factoid 916 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: you've heard in a while. 917 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 3: Yes, Wow, man, it's really wild. It's kind of It 918 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 3: just kind of shows you, man, the sport is just 919 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 3: the rate that is going. You know, you have two 920 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 3: top dogs like that, you know, scratching and clowng just 921 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 3: to stay relevant, just to stay keep winning, you know. 922 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 2: And they traded one for one. They're going on streaks 923 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 2: for they. 924 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 3: Lose it, and uh, that just goes to show how 925 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: fast this game is changing. You miss one or two 926 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 3: seasons of this fight, coming back forget about it. You're 927 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 3: coming back to a totally different ball of wax, and 928 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 3: you have to almost start over again. 929 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: In terms of who you'd like to see Aldo fight next, 930 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: he had mentioned Dila Shaw. Now, Dela Shaw got the 931 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: win over San Haagen somewhat controversially, but okay, he got it. 932 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: He obviously looked good despite the difficult circumstances that he 933 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: was facing. That he's going to be off for a 934 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: little while. I don't know exactly if Jose wants to 935 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: wait for him or not. Let's assume that's not necessarily 936 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: in play, that you can matchmake whoever you wanted in 937 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: that division. Do you like the Dila Shaw Aldo fight 938 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: and if so, why, and if not, who else would 939 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: you like to see him fight? 940 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 2: I like, I like the Dila shaw all the fight. 941 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 3: You know, I think that it'd be a good one 942 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 3: for for for for All the to really show that 943 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 3: he's he's there, you know, he's you know, he's he's 944 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 3: a legit contender. But I also like, you know, the 945 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 3: ram the Rob Font fight. I think the Rob Font 946 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,959 Speaker 3: fight would be would be a good one. 947 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 2: You know. 948 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 3: I think that you know, Rob Font brings some challenges 949 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 3: that that would really you know, show if if you know, 950 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 3: if all those really serious about the second round, because 951 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 3: here's the thing about it. 952 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 2: If you put him in there with a T. J. 953 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 3: Dela Shaw, then you kind of fast track them, you know, 954 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: to being to that championship title contention, which would be 955 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 3: good at his age. But if I'm the matchmaker, I 956 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 3: want to make sure he's ready. I want to make 957 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,959 Speaker 3: I want I want to kind of build it up again, 958 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 3: you know, and going against a guy like Rob Flant, 959 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 3: that'd be huge. There's no loser in that situation because 960 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 3: Rob Fawant is phenomenal. You can put him in a 961 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 3: title shot, and if Jose gets past him, then you 962 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 3: really built yourself up for, you know, a championship run 963 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 3: once again. So I think the Rob font was probably 964 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 3: the best choice for this one. But at the same time, 965 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 3: that Delache fight would be money soon. 966 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: Delf would be huge. The only thing is, I don't 967 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 1: know what's the division is a bit of a mess 968 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: because they got to run back the al Jo and 969 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: Yon thing. There's a lot of different ways you could go. 970 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 1: I actually feel like a San Haagen matchup I wouldn't 971 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: say unwinnable for Aldo at this point. I think Aldo 972 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: deserves at least credit to think he could win the 973 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: title again. Perhaps or at least go on a big 974 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: title run, as you indicated. But a guy like San Haagen, 975 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: who moves the way he moves and I think would 976 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: be getting Aldo sort of second, constantly guessing, I don't 977 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: know that's the best fight for him. Dilla Shaw might 978 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: be some of that. But Rob Fons got the big jab. 979 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: Is that why you would want? What is it about 980 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: the Rob font fight in particular that you feel like 981 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: Jose beating him potentially tells you a lot about other 982 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: than obviously Rob fonts a quality fighter. 983 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 3: I mean just how Rob throws, punches in the pocket. 984 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: You know, Rob combination striking, you know, the vocabulary of this, 985 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 3: His striking, you know, is on another level. And you 986 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 3: know he's he's hungry, he's shreaking, he really wants it, 987 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 3: so for him to, for all though, to beat a 988 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 3: guy like that would truly show that he's mentally tapped 989 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 3: in and wanted the saying, but more importantly show that 990 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 3: he can go again. These guys who are fast, who 991 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,959 Speaker 3: are quick, and who really wants it, because there's there's 992 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 3: something about competing against a guy who's never had a 993 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 3: taste of that championship, you know, in their minds they 994 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 3: think it's one thing, but once guys have already had it, 995 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 3: they kind of already know what to expect. So competing 996 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 3: against a guy who's never had a taste of that championship, 997 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 3: it brings a different kind of challenge in itself. You know, 998 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 3: those guys are really really hungry, and to really meet 999 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 3: that intensity, you got to be as hungry as well. 1000 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, which makes what he's doing now, it's just so remarkable. 1001 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: He looked. That's the best he's looked since what the 1002 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: Frankie Edgar rematch. 1003 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was vintage, vintage jose right there, vintage. 1004 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: It really was unbelievable what he's able to do. And 1005 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: by the way, who said this, I don't know if 1006 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: this is true or not. TJ. Dillashaw is older than 1007 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: jose Aldo. Did you know that? No? 1008 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 2: I did not owe that. No, I didn't. I did 1009 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 2: not know that. 1010 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: It feels like I remember distinctly, shot, I remember distinctly 1011 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: where I was when jose Aldo beat the I mean, 1012 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: he's a great fighter too, but when Josee Aldo really 1013 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: put the beat down on Mike Brown, took his back 1014 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: and pounded him out. I remember you choked them my 1015 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: camera exactly how it went. But you know, he just 1016 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: completely ran the table on him, and you know that 1017 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: felt like a lifetime ago. And he's younger than TJ. Dillshaw. 1018 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: Isn't that wild? 1019 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 3: It's not because I just think about the WC days 1020 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 3: and just him just just racking people up and just 1021 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 3: moving at a different rate. 1022 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 2: And just now he's still going. 1023 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 3: He's still still throwing punches with that same I mean 1024 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 3: when he throws punches, like you see people throw punches, 1025 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 3: they moving and they're throwing them pretty fast. But when 1026 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 3: he throws punches, it looks as if like he's throwing 1027 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 3: them with a different kind of intensity, like his intentions 1028 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 3: are different. They look they look just a lot faster 1029 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 3: and a lot of meaning when he throws the punches. 1030 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. 1031 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just me. 1032 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: Also, those delts, those those shoulder belts. Boy, he's got 1033 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: delts like nobody. 1034 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 2: Hellos, Yeah, pillos, pillows, I'm jealous. 1035 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: All right, Let's move to point number four. As a gentleman, 1036 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: you know a lot about how about Vicente Luke, He 1037 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: had a at least on paper, and certainly we all 1038 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: have respect for Michael Kissa, but on paper. He had 1039 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,839 Speaker 1: a very tough fight against Kisa, and I don't know 1040 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: how he did it. I mean, I guess we do. 1041 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: But he just turned the tides right when he had to. 1042 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: He got his back taken, found a way to reverse it, 1043 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: and then as Kisa goes to stand, he gets locked 1044 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: up in a Bravo or a Dars choke, the second 1045 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: one he's used to finish off an opponent in as 1046 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: many UFC fights. Rashad, the question to you is, with 1047 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: that win, is he deserving of a crack at Kamara 1048 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: Usman's belt. 1049 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 3: Not With that win. I mean, it was a good win. 1050 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 3: It was a very impressive win. But I will say 1051 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 3: I mean I would like to see him get one more. 1052 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 3: I would like to see him get one more. But 1053 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 3: I mean with that win, I mean, you know, you 1054 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 3: know how I mean, Michael Kissa, he's he's game, and 1055 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 3: he's shown so much growth in the one seventy pound division, 1056 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 3: and now that he's believing in himself and you know, 1057 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 3: he's an analyst and he's breaking down fights and his 1058 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 3: whole mindset has shifted, you know, so he's he's growing 1059 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 3: at an exponential rate. But then to have himself to 1060 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 3: go against a look Luke and you know, get caught 1061 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 3: up with the feet, you know, get caught with some combination, 1062 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 3: then take it to the ground. But then for Luke 1063 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 3: to survive a really tough test against somebody, he has 1064 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 3: to get your back and his lights out. 1065 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 2: You see him do it over and over again. 1066 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 3: But I mean, Luk just shown so much growth all 1067 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,839 Speaker 3: over the whole entire you know, in this whole entire game. 1068 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 3: His whole entire game is you know, his stand up 1069 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 3: is sharp, his his jiu jitsu is sharp. On another level, 1070 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 3: his his wrestling is sharp. This kid is on another 1071 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 3: level as far as you know his growth is concerned. 1072 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 3: But I don't think he's ready yet. I don't think 1073 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,399 Speaker 3: he's ready yet. I would like to see him get 1074 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 3: one more. I mean the champ with Kamara Wusman. You 1075 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 3: got to keep feeding him. He's got Colbe Collington next. 1076 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 3: And I would love to see maybe a Luk versus 1077 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 3: h I don't know, Leon Edwards or something. But then 1078 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 3: at the same time a Leon Edwards. You can't leave 1079 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,800 Speaker 3: money on the table with Leon Edwards and Jorge Mazdal. 1080 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 3: You gotta make that fight happen. And if you don't 1081 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 3: you just leave him money on the table. 1082 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Now you to what extent have 1083 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: you trained with Luk at. 1084 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 2: All ah Man. 1085 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,720 Speaker 3: Well, when we did it, they were all Black zillions, 1086 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 3: Luk Kamaro, Usman, Gilbert Durinho, they were all Black zillions. 1087 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 3: And when we put the team together, Luk came over 1088 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 3: from Brazil and he was training with us for a 1089 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 3: few months before and they did like a whole training 1090 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,319 Speaker 3: camp before the Ultimate Fighter Show. So I really got 1091 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 3: to know him in that space and you know, getting 1092 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 3: to know him and thinking about him. Back then, it 1093 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 3: was a guy who was figuring out his game. It 1094 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 3: was a guy who really didn't know how good he was. 1095 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,399 Speaker 3: And it's been a pleasure for me to watch him 1096 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 3: just kind of slowly disc cover that. 1097 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 2: You know, he hasn't been in a rush to do it. 1098 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 3: He's taking his losses and he you know, he takes 1099 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 3: his losses and he goes and he works on hisself 1100 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,320 Speaker 3: a little bit. He goes and you know, goes away 1101 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 3: and quiets and wear in Brazil, he works on his game. 1102 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 3: Then he comes back on the scene at the gym 1103 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,000 Speaker 3: in Florida and he's a different fighter. He's added some 1104 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 3: tools to his game. He worked on his deficiency that 1105 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 3: had him lose that fight. But he's constantly grown and 1106 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 3: he's a blue collar worker behind it. He doesn't mind, 1107 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 3: you know, keeping his mouth shut, keeping his head down, 1108 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 3: and proving himself into the octagon and proving himself in 1109 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 3: the octagon. So I mean to watch his growth and 1110 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 3: to watch my three guys, Kamara, Usman, Gilbert, and Luke 1111 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 3: do what I mean do what they're doing right now 1112 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 3: is is amazing for me because I brought those guys in. 1113 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 2: You know. 1114 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting too, was Gilbert was in his 1115 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: corner and there's video of when the submission was locked up, 1116 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,479 Speaker 1: and then they focus on how Gilbert reacted pure joy, 1117 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: total elation, like unbridled absolute happiness for his countrymen, for 1118 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 1: his teammate, for I'm guessing his friend I. You know, 1119 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 1: the drill. People want to see teammates fight each other. 1120 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: But for some reason, I don't hear a lot of 1121 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: people asking us to see Burns versus Luke, even though 1122 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: they're pretty close in orbit at this point. 1123 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they would even do it. You know, 1124 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 3: those two are like brothers. I mean, all three of 1125 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 3: them were pretty close, but Luke and Gilbert always just 1126 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 3: had a separate you know, just a different kind of connection, 1127 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 3: and I don't think it can be broken. You know. 1128 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of how me and Jardine were, 1129 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 3: you know, me and Jardine were in the same kind 1130 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 3: of boat. You know. I started training at Jackson's gym 1131 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,359 Speaker 3: because Keith Jardine invited me to go and train their 1132 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,359 Speaker 3: after the Ultimate Fighter show. So I've always had this 1133 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 3: love for Keith Jardine. Even on the show. Keith Jardine 1134 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 3: was like my coach. He was showing me all the 1135 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 3: stuff that Greg Jackson showed him and you know, making 1136 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 3: me better, and I end up facing him in the 1137 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,239 Speaker 3: simm So it's a bond that these two have that, 1138 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 3: you know what fighting isn't worth it, you know what 1139 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 3: I'm saying, And what in the strength that they get 1140 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 3: from each other by having each other in their corner. 1141 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 3: It's almost as if like they're so tight with each 1142 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 3: other it doesn't matter which one of them get the belt, 1143 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 3: because if one of them gets a belt, then it's 1144 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,439 Speaker 3: gonna feel like both of them got the belt. That's 1145 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 3: how tight they are. 1146 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,280 Speaker 1: And I'm guessing because they have slightly different, well not slightly, 1147 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 1: but they have at this point, they're all both well rounded. 1148 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,320 Speaker 1: But listen, I'm guessing I'm guessing Luk trains with a 1149 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: lot of people just beyond Gilbert on his ground game. 1150 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,280 Speaker 1: But like has Gilbert like taken him under his wing 1151 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: as like the ground game guru and is like, how 1152 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: does that work? 1153 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, Gilbert, you know, when they fight and when they train, 1154 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 3: you know, Gilbert's always a guy who's you know, he's 1155 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 3: he's showing them this and he's showing them that when 1156 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,879 Speaker 3: it comes to the ground techniques and stuff like that. 1157 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,760 Speaker 3: But you know, Luk is has been rolling with Gilbert 1158 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,320 Speaker 3: for a long time. So when you roll with somebody 1159 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 3: that long, you just kind of like learn things without 1160 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 3: them even saying you learn their game. You learn all 1161 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 3: these different things. But Gilbert's just reinforcement, like, hey, watch 1162 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,359 Speaker 3: out for this, watch out for this. This can get 1163 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 3: this can be better, this can be tighter. Because Gilbert 1164 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,400 Speaker 3: has really up this whole jiu jitsu level by competing 1165 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 3: in jiu jitsu while he's fighting, you know, and you know, 1166 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 3: training at Fight Sport with a cyborg and those great 1167 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 3: athletes over there. You know, he's getting better and better, 1168 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 3: and that helps Luke out because he goes back and 1169 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,840 Speaker 3: he brings all that new knowledge, all those new nuances 1170 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 3: of the game to Luke. 1171 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: All Right, So in terms of Michael Kissa, it's not 1172 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 1: a great loss, right, Sometimes losses can be you look 1173 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: at him and you say, well, you know, there was 1174 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,240 Speaker 1: good things to pick up on here or there. Okay, 1175 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: he looked big. He had a great authoritative takedown, but 1176 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: it was a big mental lapse and you know he 1177 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 1: had I'm not gonna they mental lapse against Kevin Lee, but 1178 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: you know it was a referee issue. But there's been 1179 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,840 Speaker 1: a few times where he I feel, against Neil Magney, 1180 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 1: I thought we got a great sense of who he 1181 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 1: was and like the how how dominant his control could be. 1182 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: There have been a few times where you know, I'm 1183 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 1: not saying Luk wouldn't have won and no matter what, 1184 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: but clearly there was an error here about scrambling, not 1185 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: fighting the hands, not being aware that this guy's ability 1186 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: to the lack of the dars in a moment's notice 1187 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,480 Speaker 1: is you know, just next level. I don't know, like 1188 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 1: he kind of brought the ending a little bit on himself. 1189 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,880 Speaker 1: How do you judge this loss for Michael ks in 1190 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: terms of how you evaluate his abilities. 1191 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 3: It was tough loss from but you know, watching Kisa grow, 1192 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 3: I felt like he reached a point in his growth 1193 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 3: where he is right now that that there's still a 1194 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,080 Speaker 3: lot more he needs to still turn the corner as 1195 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 3: as they say, you know, there there's he's he's gotten 1196 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,319 Speaker 3: a pre good grasp on himself as far as like 1197 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,839 Speaker 3: being able to propel himself to where he is right now, 1198 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,960 Speaker 3: and he's achieved some things that he. 1199 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,279 Speaker 2: Didn't even know that he was able to do. I e. 1200 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 2: The fight where he fought Dosanngeo's RDA and he'd be 1201 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:15,399 Speaker 2: r DA. 1202 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 3: You know, that was one of those growing fights and 1203 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 3: at that point point I felt as if, like, wow, 1204 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,320 Speaker 3: I just watched Kiesa just grow, you know, and he 1205 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 3: had a certain growth even after that fight, but then 1206 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,400 Speaker 3: it kind of plateaued a little bit, you know, and 1207 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 3: now he needs to hit that other growth spurt, and 1208 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 3: that growth spurt needs to be in the arena of 1209 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 3: his stand up. You know, he's gotten himself really good 1210 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 3: at learning how to take people down with working on 1211 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,840 Speaker 3: his wrestling. Now he's got the ability to take a 1212 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,240 Speaker 3: nice shot and get people into his world on the ground, 1213 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,359 Speaker 3: but he's still missing that other aspect of it, which 1214 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 3: is a confidence and is striking. When he has a 1215 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 3: confidence and is striking and he's able to dictate the 1216 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 3: pace on his feet a little bit more and feel 1217 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,760 Speaker 3: comfortable doing so, then that will open up another wrinkle 1218 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 3: for him. But this fight showed that there's still some 1219 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 3: more wrinkles that he needs to unfold. 1220 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,359 Speaker 1: Okay, well let me make a point here. So if 1221 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: you look at his losses, he's got losses to Luke submission, 1222 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,319 Speaker 1: Anthony Pettis submission, Kevin Lee's submission, the Joe Loosan one 1223 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 1: was a TKO, so that that's out. And then Jorge 1224 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,360 Speaker 1: Masswital not only a submission another DARS joke. Now, granted 1225 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,720 Speaker 1: that's going back to twenty thirteen, eight years ago. Obviously 1226 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 1: we're not suggesting he's the same fighter. Is it fair 1227 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 1: to say, even though he's got a good ground game 1228 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 1: that when it comes to the competitive mindset that brings 1229 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,839 Speaker 1: your skills to life, does he have some submission defense issues? Yes? 1230 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,960 Speaker 1: How can it be that you have a great ground game, 1231 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,279 Speaker 1: you have good submission defense, but then when it comes 1232 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,719 Speaker 1: time to show it, things can fall apart a little bit. 1233 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 3: Well, you kind of panic. That's that's the truth of 1234 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,320 Speaker 3: the matter. That's a short answer. You panic in it. 1235 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 3: Sometimes you get yourself in a position and you start 1236 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 3: to mentally defeat yourself. You know, you get to taking 1237 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 3: down and like, oh man, this can't happen. Oh man, 1238 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 3: this position. You start to really have that dialogue in 1239 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 3: your mind and it can be you know, defeating at times. 1240 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 3: And when you're not able to make those adjustments on 1241 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 3: a fly, then you find yourself in positions and starting 1242 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 3: to get start to panic because of it, and then 1243 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 3: making poor decisions, making rookie mistakes because you're panicking in 1244 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 3: those situations. I mean, granted, the transition from what Kisa 1245 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 3: had Luke in and then to that Darth choke was 1246 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,200 Speaker 3: very smooth, but at the same point, at the same time, 1247 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 3: you know, Kisa still has to feel like, Okay, I'm 1248 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 3: losing position, this guy's gaining position. Let me bail out 1249 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 3: and let me neutralize this before he ends up getting 1250 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 3: the advantage on me. 1251 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 2: And he didn't do that. 1252 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: All right, So then let's go to the last of 1253 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: the topics. It's a little bit open ended Rashad, which 1254 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: is just about the rest of the car. There were 1255 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 1: a lot of other fights on the car. There were 1256 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,959 Speaker 1: a lot of other standout winners. Anyone to you made 1257 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:02,919 Speaker 1: an impact and. 1258 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 2: Why Miles John's man. 1259 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,959 Speaker 3: I mean that left hook to the body overhand, right, 1260 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:18,360 Speaker 3: what the beauty, the perfection the timing was just absolutely phenomenal. 1261 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,920 Speaker 2: I mean like every once in a while you get. 1262 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 3: To see the growth of the sport, you know, and 1263 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,919 Speaker 3: I feel like in that combination you got to see 1264 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 3: the growth of the sport because the just the sweet 1265 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,439 Speaker 3: science of understanding boom, when I hit the body, he's 1266 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 3: going to react that that leaves the head wide open, 1267 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 3: boom overhand, right. You don't typically see that. And it 1268 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 3: was phenomenal. It was It kind of made me, uh, 1269 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:46,880 Speaker 3: it kind of made me really excited. 1270 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there was And there was a thunderous shot 1271 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: too when it landed at landed was authority he could muster. 1272 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 1: What's kind of interesting is I've made this point on 1273 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: this show a few times were shot You're living it 1274 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: in a way that I'm not, which is, you know, 1275 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: when you you were coming up back then, two things 1276 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: you could say one boxing at the time, at least 1277 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,240 Speaker 1: a high end level like the Mayweathers in the Pacios 1278 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 1: that was more popular than MMA. I mean, they were 1279 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 1: doing huge numbers when MMA was still kind of figuring 1280 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 1: itself out a little bit a post ultimate fighter. The 1281 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 1: second thing I'd say is at that time there was 1282 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: some integration. Remember Jeremy Williams, Half Man, Half Amazing. There 1283 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 1: was some integration between the boxing and the MMA worlds. 1284 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,840 Speaker 1: Now you get a lot more of that. You don't 1285 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,919 Speaker 1: see nearly as many boxing heads talking shit about MMA. 1286 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: You still get some of it, obviously, but it's not 1287 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,080 Speaker 1: nearly as pronounced. There's a lot more of it. And 1288 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,400 Speaker 1: I think a big part of it is because they 1289 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: can look at your average UFC bout and more often 1290 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: than not they could see some really decent, respectable striking. 1291 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: That wasn't always the case. It's a lot more of 1292 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:49,360 Speaker 1: the case. 1293 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,160 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, very much so. 1294 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 3: And you know, seeing guys like Miles John's go out 1295 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 3: there and do that, it just kind of show that, 1296 00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,680 Speaker 3: you know that the compency, the competence is the of 1297 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,560 Speaker 3: MMA guys and really closing a gap with the hands. 1298 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 3: It's just is getting a lot better, you know. It's 1299 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 3: it's so much with understanding because. 1300 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 2: When we do our striking. 1301 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 3: We got to worry about kicks, and we got to 1302 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,840 Speaker 3: worry about all those different things. So we got to 1303 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 3: learn boxing, and then we have to learn boxing in 1304 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 3: a way that we can close the range without making 1305 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 3: ourselves susceptible to any other any other facets of the sports. 1306 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 3: So it's really not just us going in there using 1307 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 3: the whole technical boxing as we learn it. We just 1308 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,600 Speaker 3: have to learn to make the adjustments for MMA, and 1309 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 3: these guys are kind of figuring that out and you're 1310 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,400 Speaker 3: seeing the results. 1311 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,480 Speaker 1: No doubt about it, all right, So for me, and 1312 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,440 Speaker 1: by the way, that was to your point, Miles, John's 1313 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 1: on the early prelims and he's hitting combos like that. 1314 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 1: There's a few different directions you could go. I'm gonna 1315 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,360 Speaker 1: go with Jessica Pennay. Jessica Pennay was somebody who and 1316 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,560 Speaker 1: I believe she competed at adam weight. She did. For 1317 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,120 Speaker 1: a time. She was a force to be reckoned with 1318 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,560 Speaker 1: in Victa obviously, even though she had lost the Michelle 1319 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: Waterson fight, and then she had a really bad run. 1320 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,440 Speaker 1: She fought Yoanni and Jcheck, who mauled her. In twenty fifteen. 1321 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: The Androge fight was just a bit of a disaster. 1322 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,160 Speaker 1: And then Daniel Taylor fight was not great. She goes 1323 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,040 Speaker 1: on a long suspension from Yusada even though Yusada had 1324 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 1: cleared her. It was a medication she had used, and 1325 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and then a bunch of 1326 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,560 Speaker 1: fights fell out and her last fight, you know, she 1327 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,600 Speaker 1: may have gotten gifted one and certainly her opponent this weekend, 1328 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,040 Speaker 1: caroly Nicoble Koevich is you know this was her fifth 1329 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 1: loss in a row. You're not getting the best version 1330 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,480 Speaker 1: of her. But but I have always said Jessicapanny has 1331 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,960 Speaker 1: a great ground game. She had vicious ground and pound 1332 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,680 Speaker 1: when she was competing at Adam Waite and Invicta. He 1333 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: didn't see the ground and pound, but you saw the 1334 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 1: submissions and really just the finer details of You could 1335 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: see that this was a person who knew their way 1336 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,680 Speaker 1: around arm bars, arm bar transitions, transition through armbars into 1337 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,280 Speaker 1: new positions, how to regroup, how to finish, how to hold. 1338 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: She had it all completely done. And to get a 1339 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: win like that after not yet again, this is not 1340 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 1: the very best version of covil Kaevich, but two wins 1341 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: in a row after being out of the sport for 1342 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,880 Speaker 1: basically four years due to a series of different complications. 1343 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: You gotta feel good for her. You gotta feel good 1344 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: for her. Wasn't smart of covil Kaevich to take the 1345 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,080 Speaker 1: fight basically to the ground, or at least invited on 1346 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: the ground in the way that she did. She paid 1347 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: for it, But I have to say, at least someone 1348 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 1: finally got to see Jessica included her shine after all 1349 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 1: that difficulty and doing it in a way of high 1350 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,480 Speaker 1: competency for that particular exchange. 1351 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,280 Speaker 2: Now you're right about that. 1352 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 3: You know, the hardest thing in the world to do 1353 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,439 Speaker 3: is when you are in the middle of your career 1354 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 3: and you have to stop for a long time, and 1355 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 3: then you have to come back because you're not only 1356 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 3: facing your opponent for the most part, you're facing yourself. 1357 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,360 Speaker 2: Yourself becomes the biggest opponent. 1358 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,240 Speaker 3: And trying to find the rhythm, trying to find the timing, 1359 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 3: trying to you know, push back those feelings of fear 1360 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,919 Speaker 3: and doubt that you may have. It becomes even more 1361 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,840 Speaker 3: challenged when you haven't been practicing that for a long time. 1362 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,920 Speaker 3: So you know, as somebody who never found the groove 1363 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,400 Speaker 3: after taking a long time off. You know, I commend 1364 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,360 Speaker 3: her because it's not it's not a given. You know, 1365 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,320 Speaker 3: it takes a lot and and she's doing it. Hats 1366 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:18,840 Speaker 3: off to her. 1367 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:20,960 Speaker 1: We didn't mention it, but I got to get your 1368 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,560 Speaker 1: views on the Physiah and Bobby Green fight, which was 1369 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 1: the last fight before the main card. Snorted. I don't 1370 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 1: see how Pazziah won the third round, but wow, what 1371 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: a fight. Was that? Not a banger? 1372 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,640 Speaker 3: It was a banger. It was a banger. I mean 1373 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,880 Speaker 3: it was Bobby. Bobby Green is one of one of 1374 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,800 Speaker 3: my favorite guys to watch fight. You know, he doesn't 1375 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,640 Speaker 3: even have to win, it's just that he's one of 1376 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,400 Speaker 3: those guys who can who makes the guy fight. 1377 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 2: And when I say he makes the guy fight. 1378 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 3: A fight isn't always about the x's and o's and 1379 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,040 Speaker 3: all the technical aspect. A fight becomes a fight when 1380 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 3: there's some kind of emotional trigger, when you when you're 1381 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,560 Speaker 3: when you when you have to When you see guys 1382 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,640 Speaker 3: fighting a bit because the gout hit him in the 1383 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 3: face and then he wants to just haul off and 1384 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 3: hit him right back without even calculating the risks involving it, 1385 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,920 Speaker 3: that's when a fight becomes a fight, and to see 1386 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 3: somebody like Bobby Green, you know, bringing these technical strikers, 1387 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:17,200 Speaker 3: guys who are normally pretty even keel into these situations 1388 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,080 Speaker 3: where they're fighting, fighting with emotion. 1389 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,120 Speaker 2: It is a thing of beautity. 1390 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,520 Speaker 3: Fight thing of beauty to watch because you know that's 1391 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,920 Speaker 3: when he has his best chance. And you know, whenever 1392 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,280 Speaker 3: these fights end up like this, it's just it's a 1393 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,520 Speaker 3: pleasure for the fans because we can feel it. We 1394 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,520 Speaker 3: feel that energy being exchanged back and forth and the 1395 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 3: fans win. 1396 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,120 Speaker 1: H And by the way, well, actually know what, I'll 1397 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,120 Speaker 1: just say this before we move on to the uh 1398 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,320 Speaker 1: dms from Donks. Never remind everyone, because they reminded me. 1399 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Morning Combat is nominated for a podcast award for the 1400 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,000 Speaker 1: World MMA Awards. We have been nominated for Best MMA Programming, 1401 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,560 Speaker 1: So if you would like to vote, you can go 1402 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,880 Speaker 1: to World MM Awards slash nominees. 1403 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:02,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1404 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: I have no idea how we snuck in the door either. 1405 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:04,520 Speaker 3: But. 1406 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 2: That's pretty good man. You kill it all. 1407 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,840 Speaker 1: Right, Let's get to where we no longer talk to 1408 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 1: each other about things we're asking It's when the audience 1409 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: gets to ask us for shad. It's time for dms 1410 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 1: from docs. So as everybody knows, we put up an 1411 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 1: Instagram post on Sundays we solicit questions and you can 1412 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 1: put them there. All right again, I keep calling you BC, 1413 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,920 Speaker 1: You're not all right, Rashad. Here we go from at 1414 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,640 Speaker 1: Philly Dent. Dana White says, you can't write a better 1415 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 1: script than Gon versus in Ghanu. Is that storyline really 1416 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,120 Speaker 1: better than Jones versus in Ghanu? What do you think? 1417 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yes it is. 1418 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,680 Speaker 3: I think it's better than Jones versus in Ghana because 1419 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,920 Speaker 3: you know, you have Jones with the the history that 1420 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,640 Speaker 3: he has and being the greatest of all time in 1421 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,520 Speaker 3: the light heavyweight division. But there's still a lot of 1422 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 3: intangibles with that. How is John going to be at heavyweight? 1423 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,800 Speaker 3: You know, we don't really know who John is at heavyweight? 1424 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 3: You know, and then all the all of the whole 1425 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 3: like sitting now and you know, the contract negotiation or 1426 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 3: whatever he's going through, it kind of make it go 1427 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 3: cold a bit, you know, it makes it go cold 1428 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:21,280 Speaker 3: a bit. 1429 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,000 Speaker 2: But with Sirio. 1430 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,760 Speaker 3: Gon, you have the fact that they've you know, they 1431 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 3: have history together. You know, they trained together, they had 1432 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 3: a coach together, and and all these things kind of 1433 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,480 Speaker 3: add to it. And then you add to the fact 1434 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:39,040 Speaker 3: that SiO Gon is a legit threat to to to 1435 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,280 Speaker 3: to Andanu, you know he could he could potentially beat him, 1436 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,680 Speaker 3: So you add in another aspect of it two and 1437 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 3: for me, it just makes it more exciting. 1438 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,880 Speaker 1: So I'm going to disagree with you a little bit here, 1439 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,280 Speaker 1: which is to say, I agree with you and Dana 1440 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 1: that the storyline as it is existing is better than 1441 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: the story of Jones versus Francis Jones versus Francis. And 1442 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,840 Speaker 1: again we're assuming, you know, we're living in a world 1443 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,320 Speaker 1: where we haven't quite seen Cyril Gone do the stuff 1444 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,000 Speaker 1: that he's done, right, because there's been a bit of 1445 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,240 Speaker 1: heat between John and Francis for for some time. But 1446 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,960 Speaker 1: like with Gon, he just no sells every bit of controversy, 1447 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like and even his walkout 1448 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,560 Speaker 1: song was like, please don't hate me, Houston. Here I 1449 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,760 Speaker 1: come out to Mike Jones, Paul wall and who was 1450 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,360 Speaker 1: a slim thug right still tipping, which was great, but 1451 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,080 Speaker 1: like the crowd didn't buy it. And like at the 1452 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,760 Speaker 1: press conference, he doesn't really say anything at the face off. 1453 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, he does his bit, but there's not a 1454 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,400 Speaker 1: whole lot there the story of the fight of you know, 1455 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,920 Speaker 1: almost like Francis being the Count of Monte Cristo and 1456 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,480 Speaker 1: getting revenge and then becoming a champion. But now there's 1457 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 1: this second coming of this guy from the same camp. 1458 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,280 Speaker 1: That's a better story. But in terms of what we'll 1459 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,400 Speaker 1: get the fight community really really really buzzing. I think 1460 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,840 Speaker 1: John versus Francis would be bigger, if for no other reason, Rashad, 1461 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,480 Speaker 1: than John's a bigger star than Cyril Gone, just a 1462 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,439 Speaker 1: much bigger name. He would sell more pay per view buys. 1463 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,760 Speaker 1: There would be a lot more attention on it. There's 1464 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,800 Speaker 1: still a huge question we've tried to answer to here 1465 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,520 Speaker 1: a little bit, but about how John would do at heavyweight, 1466 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: like we know how Francis and Cyril would do, because 1467 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,920 Speaker 1: that's all they are. So to me, you've got on 1468 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:23,680 Speaker 1: paper better storyline Francis Cyril. In reality you've got a 1469 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,599 Speaker 1: lot more intrigue. I think with the community anyway, with 1470 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:27,160 Speaker 1: John and. 1471 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,760 Speaker 2: Francis, I agree with that. I agree with that one. 1472 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,960 Speaker 1: All right, from the real k Carter, even with glasses 1473 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,960 Speaker 1: I can't read for shit anymore, all right, in yours, 1474 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 1: I had perfect vision all my life until the last 1475 01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,920 Speaker 1: couple of years. Shot, it's been humbling to. 1476 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,280 Speaker 2: Be forty, to be forty something, all right? 1477 01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:52,000 Speaker 1: In your estimation, Why has Aldo largely abandoned his kicking 1478 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,280 Speaker 1: game in this later stage of his career. 1479 01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 3: I think it's because he doesn't want to take away 1480 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,000 Speaker 3: his movement. I think he kicked so hard that he's 1481 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,479 Speaker 3: injured himself in some fights, and it's kind of really 1482 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,280 Speaker 3: messed him up as far as being able to being 1483 01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,040 Speaker 3: able to have the same bounce with his punches. And 1484 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,559 Speaker 3: I think that you know, we seen him open up 1485 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,479 Speaker 3: in the third round with his kicks because he figured 1486 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,519 Speaker 3: he has, you know, a few minutes left. You know, 1487 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,720 Speaker 3: he's the last round. You know, he doesn't have to 1488 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,840 Speaker 3: worry about if he injures it and then going into 1489 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,800 Speaker 3: the next round with it with a hurt foot. So 1490 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,960 Speaker 3: I mean, when you kick as hard as he does, 1491 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,599 Speaker 3: it does come with, you know, some consequences. And when 1492 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,240 Speaker 3: you're throwing with that kind of impunity, you hit somebody's toe, 1493 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,000 Speaker 3: you hit somebody's elbow, you hit somebody's knee, it can 1494 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,040 Speaker 3: really mess you up. Sometimes you throw a kick in 1495 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,360 Speaker 3: a fight, you're just like, damn, why the hell did 1496 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 3: I do that? 1497 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,559 Speaker 1: By the way, someone asked me this on Saturday night. 1498 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,240 Speaker 1: I didn't have a good explanation for it. You know, 1499 01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,880 Speaker 1: obviously the calfkick is all the rage, but part of 1500 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: the calf kick, part of the benefit. Part of the 1501 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,040 Speaker 1: benefit is that you can actually stand a little a 1502 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,559 Speaker 1: bit further away than if you could throwing the shin 1503 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,040 Speaker 1: to the sort of middle of someone else's thigh, and 1504 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,240 Speaker 1: so it allows you just a little bit more of 1505 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: a way to cheat the distance. Someone asks me this, 1506 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,760 Speaker 1: why does God not throw a calf kick. Why does 1507 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,080 Speaker 1: he really seem to just favor the thigh kick. Why 1508 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,160 Speaker 1: because he hasn't really trained the calfkick much yet, he 1509 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,680 Speaker 1: doesn't that much use for it. What is it? 1510 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,840 Speaker 3: I think it's the range in which he operates at, 1511 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,800 Speaker 3: you know, I think that he likes to be a 1512 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,840 Speaker 3: little bit closer with that back and forth range because 1513 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,519 Speaker 3: he knows, typically speaking, a lot of his guys, you know, 1514 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,679 Speaker 3: they're not going to be looking to kick him. They're 1515 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 3: looking to throw punches. So he's standing more at punching 1516 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,519 Speaker 3: range versus at kicking range. 1517 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,080 Speaker 2: I think if he. 1518 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,719 Speaker 3: Goes against a guy like John Jones, we may see 1519 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,719 Speaker 3: him implement something like that with low leg kicks, because 1520 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,519 Speaker 3: John's going to use his legs a lot more and 1521 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,960 Speaker 3: John's going to try to take out his mobility, so 1522 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,320 Speaker 3: he probably will. 1523 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 2: Implement them then. But as the heavyweight division, guys mostly 1524 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 2: just shrek with their hands. 1525 01:10:54,160 --> 01:11:02,920 Speaker 1: All right? From Jammi Lya, this person writes, I mean 1526 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,719 Speaker 1: no disrespect to Derek Lewis, but is he the most 1527 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,720 Speaker 1: unskilled fighter to ascend this high in the UFC? He 1528 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,920 Speaker 1: has huge power, but he doesn't have any standout skills 1529 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,799 Speaker 1: such as you know, jiu jitsu and wrestling and muychi 1530 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,519 Speaker 1: conditioning or even boxing for that matter. It's sort of 1531 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,599 Speaker 1: a tough conversation to have. But where do you come 1532 01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,559 Speaker 1: down on this? For Sead? 1533 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,320 Speaker 3: I don't think he's unskilled. I think that he may 1534 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 3: fight lazy. I think that there is a lot that 1535 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,200 Speaker 3: he knows how to do. But I think that he 1536 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,680 Speaker 3: knows what he's good at. And because he knows what 1537 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,000 Speaker 3: he's good at, it kind of makes him not do 1538 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,400 Speaker 3: everything else that he could do or know how to do, 1539 01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,080 Speaker 3: because he doesn't want to get tired. So he's battling 1540 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,200 Speaker 3: himself all the time. Because you know, he's kind of 1541 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,799 Speaker 3: fighting at a pace where he's afraid to get tired 1542 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,800 Speaker 3: because he's been tired. When you get tired out there, 1543 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,760 Speaker 3: it's the worst feeling in the world. And it's something 1544 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,200 Speaker 3: that just stays in your brain. Is it's it's a it's 1545 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,479 Speaker 3: a mental scar that that is really hard to get past. 1546 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,400 Speaker 3: You see guys like t Wood who always fight at 1547 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,800 Speaker 3: a certain pace because they're afraid to get tired, you know. 1548 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,760 Speaker 2: So the same thing is with Derek Lewis. He has 1549 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:06,880 Speaker 2: a lot of skill. 1550 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 3: And if you ever watch him just do some of 1551 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 3: the athletic stuff he do with this spinning keg, she'd 1552 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,240 Speaker 3: be like, damn, he can do that. Why don't he 1553 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,799 Speaker 3: do it more often? It's because he's afraid to get tired. 1554 01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,559 Speaker 3: So I think he's a lot better than what he shows. 1555 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,960 Speaker 3: I think if he was conditioned a lot better, we'll 1556 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,479 Speaker 3: see a totally different Derek Lewis. 1557 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,519 Speaker 1: Again, also in this fight, you know, this was a 1558 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,240 Speaker 1: bad matchup for him. I think we can all pretty 1559 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 1: much agree. It wasn't like you got to see the 1560 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,920 Speaker 1: best of Derek Lewis en route to a loss. You 1561 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,920 Speaker 1: didn't get to see hardly anything he could do well, 1562 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,400 Speaker 1: which is a credit to Gone, but I'm just saying 1563 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,519 Speaker 1: it wasn't really on display. I'd also advershot. The guys 1564 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of bad injuries, not like me's exactly, 1565 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,679 Speaker 1: but like bad back. You know, I've had bad backs. 1566 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,680 Speaker 1: I've torn discs in my back. That and I'm not 1567 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,040 Speaker 1: a pro athlete, but man, that was it's debilitating. It's 1568 01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,639 Speaker 1: I could barely move. I couldn't even order delivery food 1569 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,000 Speaker 1: because I couldn't get off the floor. It's a true story. 1570 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,679 Speaker 1: I couldn't get off the floor. I tore three discs 1571 01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,439 Speaker 1: in my back. I couldn't even slither to the front 1572 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,920 Speaker 1: door to get food to order. I had to eat 1573 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,720 Speaker 1: leftover Halloween candy because it was on the ground in 1574 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,000 Speaker 1: this little bucket for like a day. So bad. It 1575 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,840 Speaker 1: was so bad. So you know, I remember he's had 1576 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,120 Speaker 1: a lot of fights where he's either had that in 1577 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 1: camp or in the fight itself, and that's gonna, you know, 1578 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,840 Speaker 1: fuck up his development and what he can show. And 1579 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,240 Speaker 1: also he didn't really start this lose twenty five. You know, 1580 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,320 Speaker 1: that's not too late to do something with it. Here 1581 01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,640 Speaker 1: we are talking about him in a title fight, but 1582 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 1: that's late to like hone a craft that's late to 1583 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,000 Speaker 1: learn a physical language, which kind of fighting is, and 1584 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: so on some level, I understand what the person's asking. 1585 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,240 Speaker 1: On another level, you got to be a little bit forgiving. Plus, 1586 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,200 Speaker 1: if you have the kind of power he's had throughout 1587 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,439 Speaker 1: your training and your sparring, you've probably turned the lights 1588 01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,320 Speaker 1: off on a lot of people. And you're like, well, 1589 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,400 Speaker 1: you know what, my back hurts and I can fucking 1590 01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,080 Speaker 1: punch through an ox. What more do I need to do? 1591 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:52,439 Speaker 1: You know? 1592 01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,640 Speaker 2: I mean, what more do you need to do? 1593 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,320 Speaker 3: And that's exactly it, because sometimes your greatest tool can 1594 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,719 Speaker 3: be your curses well too, and sometimes for Derrick Lewis, 1595 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,000 Speaker 3: we see just exactly that. 1596 01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,760 Speaker 1: All right, This is from I don't know how much 1597 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,120 Speaker 1: of a are you a soccer fan at all? 1598 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll watch it if it's song, I watch 1599 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:13,280 Speaker 2: it if it's so. 1600 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,599 Speaker 1: Do you have a team, No, I don't have a team. 1601 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you're hating over there? All right? From 1602 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,800 Speaker 1: at yb W SAG whatever the fuck that is, Luke, 1603 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,920 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on MESSI leaving Barcelona? Do you 1604 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: know anything about this? Rashod? 1605 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:29,920 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it. 1606 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,160 Speaker 1: No, he left Barcelona, but you know who Messi is, right. 1607 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,920 Speaker 2: I do know who Messi is, Like one of the greatest. 1608 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Soccer Basically, Yeah, here's the long and short of it. 1609 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,040 Speaker 1: Barcelona is in It's one of the great clubs of 1610 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the world. I've been to the city itself. I've been 1611 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:46,879 Speaker 1: to Camp new which is their you know, their their stadium, 1612 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,040 Speaker 1: and basically, I mean it's a long story, but the 1613 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,840 Speaker 1: short answer is Messi has been with that team. Essentially, 1614 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,800 Speaker 1: he was scouted as early as thirteen years old. He'd 1615 01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: been with him for twenty plus years, and they couldn't 1616 01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: afford him anymore, in part because of the listen to this. 1617 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:08,000 Speaker 1: With Messi on the roster, one hundred and ten percent 1618 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:12,719 Speaker 1: of any annual profit went just to play pay the wages. 1619 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the campus of the club is in deep 1620 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,000 Speaker 1: financial peril. Okay, So you take him off and now 1621 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,640 Speaker 1: ninety five percent of all revenue that comes into the 1622 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,759 Speaker 1: club goes to player wages. So like they're barely fixing 1623 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,360 Speaker 1: the problem. But it was a rule with the league 1624 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,160 Speaker 1: and also with Barcelona's financial situation. He agreed to have 1625 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,200 Speaker 1: his money. He was going to take a fifty percent 1626 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,960 Speaker 1: pay cut now granted in his last contract he made 1627 01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,479 Speaker 1: close to six hundred million, so you know, we're not 1628 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,719 Speaker 1: talking about a guy who's hurting for money. But even 1629 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,439 Speaker 1: with that, basically the club in the league weren't able 1630 01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,160 Speaker 1: to make it work. So he has to go. Here's 1631 01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:50,799 Speaker 1: what I will say. He's gonna end up in Paris 1632 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,639 Speaker 1: with neymar and some other folks. But I'll say this, 1633 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,599 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit sad about it because as much 1634 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,559 Speaker 1: as my team is Barcelona's number one rival, which is 1635 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,679 Speaker 1: Real Madrid. So as much as it's great to see 1636 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 1: Barcelona in absolute fucking shambles that they that they are, 1637 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,479 Speaker 1: you need a rival, man, You need someone out there 1638 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,960 Speaker 1: that makes you a little bit worried about missing that workout, 1639 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,000 Speaker 1: about not eating right, about hitting the books, whatever you 1640 01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,680 Speaker 1: whatever you need to do to beat that rival. If 1641 01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,599 Speaker 1: you don't have them out there, it can make you 1642 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,479 Speaker 1: complacent and lazy and not motivated. So like, I'm happy 1643 01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,960 Speaker 1: to see Barcelona the team eat shit, fuck them, but 1644 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,960 Speaker 1: it sucks. It sucks for the league, and it sucks 1645 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,760 Speaker 1: to see to not have a rival that you can 1646 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,120 Speaker 1: really worry about in that way. 1647 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean just I mean I got 1648 01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,080 Speaker 3: stuck when you were saying, like the six hundred million dollars. 1649 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,760 Speaker 3: I just kind of like, wait, what what? 1650 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:48,639 Speaker 2: Wait what? 1651 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, not including Nike money, not in cube, 1652 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,760 Speaker 1: but that doesn't include that doesn't include sponsorship. 1653 01:16:56,200 --> 01:17:01,000 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh, to be a rich soccer player. 1654 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 1: Can you imagine you're twenty something, you've got tens, if 1655 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,880 Speaker 1: not hundreds of millions in the bank or at least, 1656 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, assets beyond whatever you could imagine. You're in 1657 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,080 Speaker 1: your twenties, so you're in your physical prime. Like, you know, 1658 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,919 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's not gonna be too too hard to attract, 1659 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, women, if that's what you're into. And and 1660 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,519 Speaker 1: and they just live they live their whole twenties and 1661 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,080 Speaker 1: in parts of the thirties that way. And I'll never 1662 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:25,920 Speaker 1: know what that's like. 1663 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,280 Speaker 2: Wow, I'll never know. I mean, I love fighting, but 1664 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,599 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you know what? Oh my gosh, 1665 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:35,360 Speaker 2: you know what? 1666 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1667 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,040 Speaker 2: It was I mean, come on, really, all. 1668 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,160 Speaker 1: Right, let me ask you pop quiz. Just guess how 1669 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,439 Speaker 1: many followers on Instagram does Leo Messi have. 1670 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,760 Speaker 3: I'll probably say with that kind of money, that kind 1671 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,280 Speaker 3: of influence, I'm gonna say probably about fifteen. 1672 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:58,240 Speaker 1: Million, fifteen million you're close. It's two hundred and forty 1673 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:04,559 Speaker 1: five million. Two hundred and forty five million. 1674 01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:10,120 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's that's like almost as much as 1675 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:11,400 Speaker 3: the whole US population. 1676 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's basically got every mathematically anyway, he's got 1677 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,840 Speaker 1: every adult let's say something like that on it. That's 1678 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,280 Speaker 1: why I was tell folks, man, if you don't watch 1679 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,320 Speaker 1: European soccer and someone tells you like, oh, these two 1680 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,360 Speaker 1: teams are playing and you don't know anything, you'd be like, 1681 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,000 Speaker 1: who are these scrubs? And then do yourself a favorite 1682 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,760 Speaker 1: next time you watch, and any club team is on 1683 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,120 Speaker 1: and it's like a reasonably big one from Europe, like 1684 01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:37,439 Speaker 1: your Manchester United and Barcelona's and whatever. Look up like 1685 01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,240 Speaker 1: any random player you see on there on Instagram and 1686 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,559 Speaker 1: see how many they have. They'll have like twenty million, 1687 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,160 Speaker 1: eighteen fucking thirty million. You cannot believe how popular these 1688 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:48,599 Speaker 1: guys are. 1689 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,559 Speaker 2: Soccer is truly that sport. It really is that sport. 1690 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:57,400 Speaker 1: Bro. Did you see the video of Messi in Miami 1691 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,960 Speaker 1: trying to leave a restaurant? Did you see that? 1692 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:00,599 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1693 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:01,519 Speaker 2: I did see that. 1694 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:07,080 Speaker 3: I did see it on ig It was bananas. 1695 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,680 Speaker 1: Played a day in any professional American league. And this 1696 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,679 Speaker 1: dude can't even walk out of a restaurant because obviously 1697 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,400 Speaker 1: Miam's got a huge portion of people who are into soccer. 1698 01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,760 Speaker 1: They've got their own soccer team there. But dude, that's 1699 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,360 Speaker 1: a level. I'll say this, though, I'll take his six 1700 01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,120 Speaker 1: hundred million. I'm not interested in his popularity. I wouldn't want. 1701 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,040 Speaker 3: To live there, No, no, no, I mean you're almost 1702 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,080 Speaker 3: a prisoner in your own success. 1703 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:31,000 Speaker 2: You can't do anything. 1704 01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,360 Speaker 1: Fuck that with the six hundred mil. I'm going to 1705 01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,320 Speaker 1: buy an island and then just live there. My fight Highland, 1706 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,439 Speaker 1: fuck the other one. All right, here we go. Last, 1707 01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:45,960 Speaker 1: but certainly not least from flannels and jitsu, will the 1708 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,919 Speaker 1: four medals in women's freestyle wrestling have a huge impact 1709 01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,000 Speaker 1: on the sport across the country. I'm not sure how 1710 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,400 Speaker 1: much you paid attention to the Olympics for Shad. The 1711 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,120 Speaker 1: men tore it up, The women on the American side 1712 01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,519 Speaker 1: tore it up. Not everyone who we thought was gonna 1713 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,559 Speaker 1: get gold got it. Some did, and so there was, 1714 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, but in the end, a huge, huge metal hole. 1715 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,080 Speaker 1: And he's asking on the women's side, what do you think? 1716 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so? 1717 01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 3: I mean you know, the women I mean are just 1718 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,360 Speaker 3: and you watch them at MMA, you know, they've really 1719 01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,080 Speaker 3: found a home in MMA, and I think women's sports 1720 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:22,800 Speaker 3: in general found a home in one of the most 1721 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,840 Speaker 3: unlikely places, being a combat sport. But then you watch, 1722 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,080 Speaker 3: you know, these the Olympics and just watch the standard 1723 01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,840 Speaker 3: that these these women are setting and things that they're doing. 1724 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,960 Speaker 2: It's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, and they're really. 1725 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:40,280 Speaker 3: Starting to, you know, get the attention that's been you know, 1726 01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:41,920 Speaker 3: very deserving of them for so long. 1727 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,320 Speaker 2: So hats off to them. Congratulations. 1728 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,280 Speaker 1: Did you watch the Olympics at all? 1729 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,599 Speaker 2: I watched a little bit of it. I watched the wrestling. 1730 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,320 Speaker 3: I watched the wrestling aspect, and you know, I was 1731 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,439 Speaker 3: very I was very impressed with what I've seen with 1732 01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,200 Speaker 3: the wrestling. I mean it was just gold medal at 1733 01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,520 Speaker 3: the gold medal, but just great phenomenal performances. I mean, uh, 1734 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,800 Speaker 3: what's his name, Gable Stevenson. 1735 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, phenomenal match bro. 1736 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,599 Speaker 1: Did you do you know he wants to get into 1737 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:08,960 Speaker 1: m m A. 1738 01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,320 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 1739 01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,360 Speaker 3: Can you imagine what he's gonna do once he get 1740 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:15,080 Speaker 3: into m m A. 1741 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,080 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Man, I mean he's kind of got 1742 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,799 Speaker 2: that DC ish. 1743 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,519 Speaker 3: Kind of build to him a bit, but just kind of, 1744 01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,439 Speaker 3: you know, not so barrel chested in the fact, but 1745 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,439 Speaker 3: I mean he's he's gonna he's gonna kill it. 1746 01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna kill he does he does those backflips. I 1747 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,200 Speaker 1: mean that dude is an athlete. 1748 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:34,600 Speaker 2: Athlete. 1749 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's it for this part of the show. 1750 01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,160 Speaker 1: This is where we just do odds and ends for shot. 1751 01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,479 Speaker 1: Something small it's to point out here, but nevertheless important. 1752 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,160 Speaker 1: What do you have for odds and ends? 1753 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:48,640 Speaker 2: Ah? 1754 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,120 Speaker 3: Bellatore, Bellatoor Uh to sixty five? You know we got 1755 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,800 Speaker 3: we got gay guard Musasi versus Salter. I mean, first 1756 01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,120 Speaker 3: of all, to sixty four, I'm sorry to sixty four 1757 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:04,400 Speaker 3: belatour Musase. I mean, geez, still at it, you know, 1758 01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,840 Speaker 3: get another chance at a title shot as far as 1759 01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,400 Speaker 3: defending the titles again. And he's going against a very 1760 01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,240 Speaker 3: tough John Salter. I mean Salter who is just like, 1761 01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,000 Speaker 3: come in this fight. I think he's got a three 1762 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,720 Speaker 3: fight win streak and very tough grappling, pretty decent stand up, 1763 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,920 Speaker 3: so it's gonna be a good one. But Bellatore is 1764 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,479 Speaker 3: just putting on banger after banger. I mean, I feel 1765 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,840 Speaker 3: like this organization has found this stride now and putting 1766 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:29,639 Speaker 3: on some great fights. 1767 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,639 Speaker 1: They've they've they're doing. They've got some good stuff going 1768 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,280 Speaker 1: on for sure. Obviously after the aj McKee and Pittpull thing, 1769 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,519 Speaker 1: they got some people's attention. Musasi. I do think, though, 1770 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:44,320 Speaker 1: has how do I say this? I think he's he's 1771 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,599 Speaker 1: but a step or two below his peak, which means 1772 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,160 Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit more beatable than folks realize. 1773 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,600 Speaker 1: He's still very very good. I hope folks understand what 1774 01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,559 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not saying he's some chump that's gonna 1775 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:55,840 Speaker 1: get run over. Not I mean, it might even be 1776 01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,880 Speaker 1: the favorite guy to win, which is fine. But I 1777 01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,599 Speaker 1: do think like Douglas Lima had a bad performance against him, 1778 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,240 Speaker 1: and even in the end, there was like maybe he 1779 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,120 Speaker 1: could have turned that around a little bit earlier. And 1780 01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, obviously Rafael Levato Junior is great at jiu jitsu, 1781 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,720 Speaker 1: but you know, he kind of ran over Masasi a 1782 01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,120 Speaker 1: little bit. I feel like this is a much more 1783 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,599 Speaker 1: competitive fight than folks realize. But the one on that 1784 01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,760 Speaker 1: card to bring it up, it was supposed to be 1785 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,160 Speaker 1: on the card for the aj McKee and Pitple fight, 1786 01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,040 Speaker 1: but they had an injury so they moved it. Ralphie 1787 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,519 Speaker 1: On stops if you pay attention to him, I think 1788 01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,719 Speaker 1: he's a D two or D three national champion wrestler, 1789 01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 1: maybe D two taken on Magamed Maga Medoff another one 1790 01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,800 Speaker 1: of these Russian hammers that comes out of Dakistan and 1791 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,360 Speaker 1: just starts fucking running the table on everybody has to 1792 01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,800 Speaker 1: win over Peter Yahn by the way, that one is 1793 01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,680 Speaker 1: just for the bantamweight division. Dude. Here's how you know 1794 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,639 Speaker 1: bantamweight has grown up. You can now look at several 1795 01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,680 Speaker 1: organizations that have international class fighters in them, and their 1796 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,280 Speaker 1: bansom weights are going to be absolutely fucking lethal. That's 1797 01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,719 Speaker 1: how good that division has gotten. 1798 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I watched Maga Medof trained over in 1799 01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,360 Speaker 3: Jersey when I was out there training with Frankieger and 1800 01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,040 Speaker 3: those guys. So you know, watching those guys the way 1801 01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:11,320 Speaker 3: that they train, you know, it's crazy because they train 1802 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,120 Speaker 3: with us, and then afterwards they have like their own 1803 01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,720 Speaker 3: little training afterwards, and they do like their's like special techniques, 1804 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,240 Speaker 3: and you just kind of look like they're playing around 1805 01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,519 Speaker 3: and having fun, but they're constantly working, constantly up in 1806 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,360 Speaker 3: a level. So the level that these guys come and 1807 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,560 Speaker 3: they compete at is ridiculous. And you watch them on 1808 01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,120 Speaker 3: fight week. You know, on fight week, normally you kind 1809 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,280 Speaker 3: of like tapering off and kind of taking it easy. 1810 01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,080 Speaker 3: Not these guys, man, these days are standing guys. They're 1811 01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,960 Speaker 3: fighting all the way up until they fight into the 1812 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,200 Speaker 3: k Just it's unreal. 1813 01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:39,160 Speaker 2: It's unreal. 1814 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: Why are they so good? If you have to explain 1815 01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,360 Speaker 1: to someone who didn't understand, what would you say. 1816 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,519 Speaker 3: It's their life. They live it. They live every single 1817 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,599 Speaker 3: every single aspect of life is basing it. You know, 1818 01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,040 Speaker 3: when I lived in Jersey, I live with those guys 1819 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,200 Speaker 3: in this little apartment that we have, and all those 1820 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,479 Speaker 3: guys would do that come on from training, you know, 1821 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,360 Speaker 3: they'll do their like you know, they're doing like their 1822 01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,640 Speaker 3: prayers and stuff like that, and then they'll you know, 1823 01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,400 Speaker 3: go to sleep, eat, wake up and train again. They're 1824 01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,519 Speaker 3: just watch and repeating. That's all they would do. That's 1825 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,240 Speaker 3: all they want to do. They don't want to go 1826 01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,000 Speaker 3: to the movies, they don't want to watch TV. They're 1827 01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,920 Speaker 3: just out getting at work and their dogsh about it. 1828 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:19,120 Speaker 2: You know. 1829 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,960 Speaker 3: They they stay focused on what they want to stay 1830 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,840 Speaker 3: you know, they stay focused on a fight game the 1831 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:24,400 Speaker 3: whole time. 1832 01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Interesting. All right, So from my odds and ends, it's 1833 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's you know, less of an issue, 1834 01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:36,960 Speaker 1: or I should say less related to the cage. Halle 1835 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,040 Speaker 1: Berry's new movie has a official release date. Now, why 1836 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,759 Speaker 1: do I bring this up? Well, it's an MMA themed movie. 1837 01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:49,040 Speaker 1: September twelfth, rashot September twelfth is the official date. Well, 1838 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, I guess that was the twenty twenty expetively, 1839 01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,839 Speaker 1: excuse me, November twenty seventh. Sorry, I fucked this up royally, 1840 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,680 Speaker 1: I've got the wrong date twice. Hold on, now we 1841 01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:03,479 Speaker 1: have the date globally on Netflix. It's going to come 1842 01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:08,120 Speaker 1: out November twenty fourth. November twenty fourth is the day 1843 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,519 Speaker 1: it was supposed to come out September twelfth, twenty twenty, 1844 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,639 Speaker 1: but obviously they decided to push it back for whatever reason, 1845 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:16,920 Speaker 1: partly perhaps due to the pandemic, maybe something else. I 1846 01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,519 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know anything about the movie other 1847 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:20,880 Speaker 1: than Brian or take it was a big part of 1848 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,800 Speaker 1: it in some other MMA fighters as well. But I 1849 01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,080 Speaker 1: did see there was a scene behind the scenes Rashad 1850 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:27,960 Speaker 1: where like Holly Berry. I guess she directed it and 1851 01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:33,839 Speaker 1: was looking at something. And in it she's wearing invicted gloves. 1852 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,840 Speaker 1: She's wearing actual invicted gloves. So I'm wondering, there it 1853 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,320 Speaker 1: is right there, see here, when she's looking through the 1854 01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:40,840 Speaker 1: lens at her gloves. 1855 01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, I see it. 1856 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if Invicta is going to get a big bump. 1857 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:49,760 Speaker 1: Have you been a part of any movie of this magnitude, 1858 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,719 Speaker 1: even if it's a small part or training or whatever. 1859 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in a couple MMA movies, a couple 1860 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,000 Speaker 3: NA movies, but we didn't make it to the big screen. 1861 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,080 Speaker 3: We kind of went straight to DVD. That was back 1862 01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:06,439 Speaker 3: in the day. But first of all, I mean, Holly, 1863 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,639 Speaker 3: you know, like your boy, you know what I'm saying. 1864 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,240 Speaker 3: I grew up being a big fan of yours. You 1865 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,760 Speaker 3: couldn't get your boy on it, you know. And you 1866 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,000 Speaker 3: here's the thing, man, seeing Holly Bury in the MMA 1867 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,280 Speaker 3: game and just you know, not being able to you know, 1868 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,240 Speaker 3: I would love to meet her, man, I would love 1869 01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,760 Speaker 3: to be able to just sit there, just just sit 1870 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,040 Speaker 3: back and you know, just you know, have a conversation 1871 01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:28,479 Speaker 3: with Holly, Like, hey, Holley, you. 1872 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,240 Speaker 2: Know you help me, you know, grow up as a 1873 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,920 Speaker 2: young man. You know, I appreciate you. 1874 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,559 Speaker 3: You know, I'll take the movie role for free if 1875 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,280 Speaker 3: she was going to offer that to me, you know 1876 01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:36,840 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 1877 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,120 Speaker 2: But I mean, that's great. 1878 01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,439 Speaker 3: I love to see you know, she's getting into the 1879 01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,040 Speaker 3: whole movie thing with MMA, and this is her first, 1880 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,479 Speaker 3: you know, first movie that she's directing herself. So it's 1881 01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,200 Speaker 3: pretty cool that she's making a splash in MMA. I mean, 1882 01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,479 Speaker 3: she's a fan of m I've seen her even make 1883 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,759 Speaker 3: a comment on like on one of the Fighter's page. 1884 01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,519 Speaker 3: I believe it was, you know, she was just like, 1885 01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,639 Speaker 3: oh yeah, Michael Kiah, so let's go Michael. And I'm 1886 01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,240 Speaker 3: just like, dang, what if she would have said that 1887 01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:04,840 Speaker 3: to me? Would have changed my life? Man? 1888 01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:05,280 Speaker 2: Change? 1889 01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:10,559 Speaker 1: Sorry bro, okay, can that wasn't in the cards. So normally, 1890 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,559 Speaker 1: when BC is here and you did this last time 1891 01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,560 Speaker 1: when I was out and you were with BC, he 1892 01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,040 Speaker 1: shows you videos of elder abuse. He calls it, have 1893 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,240 Speaker 1: you seen this ship? You know what I'm talking about, Dude. 1894 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,000 Speaker 1: No one loves watching an old person fall off a 1895 01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,479 Speaker 1: fucking skateboard more than Brian Campbell. It's a little disturbing 1896 01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:26,080 Speaker 1: if I can be. 1897 01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,879 Speaker 2: Honest, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. 1898 01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:31,920 Speaker 1: But we're not gonna do that today. We're gonna skip 1899 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,840 Speaker 1: it because well, here's the thing. It's Brian's baby, and 1900 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,280 Speaker 1: I don't wanna you don't want to trip up on it, 1901 01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,280 Speaker 1: you know. But next time you're on with him, you'll 1902 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:46,080 Speaker 1: get videos of drunk dudes and old people falling off 1903 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,280 Speaker 1: of motorcycles and skateboards. It'll be fun, it'll be a 1904 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:53,080 Speaker 1: good time. If folks want to follow you, let's put 1905 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,240 Speaker 1: the graphic up. What's the best way to follow a shot? 1906 01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:58,720 Speaker 1: But Rashod's preferred method of being followed. 1907 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,080 Speaker 3: Instagram at sugar shot Evans. You know, you can write 1908 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,200 Speaker 3: me say what's up? All right back, and uh, you 1909 01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:06,960 Speaker 3: know that's how I do it. I don't post as 1910 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,599 Speaker 3: much as I used to or as much as I should, 1911 01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,599 Speaker 3: but I'm starting to do it out a little bit more. 1912 01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,679 Speaker 1: But if you really my life is pretty fucking ordinary, 1913 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:16,280 Speaker 1: Like why would I? 1914 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:18,479 Speaker 2: It's hard, man, it's hard. 1915 01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,080 Speaker 3: It's hard to post because I just don't want to 1916 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,040 Speaker 3: post and just be another voice in the echo. I 1917 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,920 Speaker 3: want to make it about something when I post, you know. 1918 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:30,360 Speaker 1: Also, like Rashad might answer your d MS. I probably won't. 1919 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:35,240 Speaker 1: If I can be honest, I got too much ship 1920 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:35,479 Speaker 1: for you. 1921 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:35,920 Speaker 2: I'm not. 1922 01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,000 Speaker 1: If you want to, uh subscribe, we'd appreciate it. Subscribe 1923 01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,559 Speaker 1: right here like the video one more time on the 1924 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,639 Speaker 1: podcast Awards since I fucked it up off the top 1925 01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,320 Speaker 1: as well, you can go to www dot I believe 1926 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:56,560 Speaker 1: World MMA Awards dot com slash nominees for Best MMA Programming. 1927 01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,200 Speaker 1: You can go vo for us there. If you'd like 1928 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,640 Speaker 1: emailing us Morning Combat at gmail dot com. You can 1929 01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,479 Speaker 1: do that for Wednesday's fan subs, and you can do 1930 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,400 Speaker 1: that for Friday's dead wrong so when we always do those. 1931 01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,960 Speaker 1: And Showtime dot com if you want to try Showtime 1932 01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,559 Speaker 1: free for thirty days. If you like it, you can 1933 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,639 Speaker 1: keep it. If not, you can go pound sand and 1934 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:19,280 Speaker 1: also Morningcombat dot store for a mug or for glasses, mugs, 1935 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:25,240 Speaker 1: Rashod shirt, things like that and uh okay, I think 1936 01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,400 Speaker 1: that is. That's it for us today with Shod. I 1937 01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:28,639 Speaker 1: appreciate your insights, sir. 1938 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,280 Speaker 2: Thank you always a pleasure with LT thanks having me 1939 01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:32,920 Speaker 2: on there. 1940 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,840 Speaker 1: He is. That's for Shod Evans, the Hall of Famer, 1941 01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,400 Speaker 1: the former champion, the winner, of Ultimate Fighter and many 1942 01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,719 Speaker 1: other accomplishments. I'm Luke Thomas from CBS Sports and Showtime 1943 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,080 Speaker 1: of course for shots from CBS as well, and I 1944 01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,400 Speaker 1: want to thanks CBS Sports, Showtime, Malka. We're gonna be 1945 01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,000 Speaker 1: out for a while, me and BC, so there's gonna 1946 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,080 Speaker 1: be a lot of extra content coming your way that 1947 01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:52,880 Speaker 1: we've already pre recorded, so be on the look up 1948 01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,639 Speaker 1: for that and until next time, may all of your 1949 01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:56,920 Speaker 1: gains be loyal