1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: my name is Nolan. 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: It is one of our favorite evenings of the week 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: as we hurtle headlong toward autumn. It's listener bail. This 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: is where we get to hear from the best part 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: of the show. You, specifically you, our fellow listeners, our 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Hello conspiracy realists. Thank you for joining us. We're going 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: to have some unhinged, hilarious conspiracy emails. We might talk 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: to Tom about the Dragon. We might check in with 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: the border of Me and mar. We are immediately going 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: to talk pest controls because ever since our buddy sc 20 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: bug Geek wrote to us, we've had a lot of 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: conversations about not just pesticides, but herbicides, rodent sides, many sides, all. 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: The sides we try to look at both sides or 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: multiple sides, however many there may be. And can I 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: just say, in the interest of speaking of the best 25 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 3: part of the show, if you want to carry on 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: the spirit of listener mail, carry it on over to 27 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or you might leave us a five star 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: review and some kind words to help us sleep tight 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: at night. And we've returned with today's first piece of 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: listener mail that comes to us from mister E. Do 31 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: you remember that show, Hey dude, Hey dude, better watch 32 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: out for those man eating jack rabbits and that killer cactie. 33 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: It's all coming back Nickelodeon. 34 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: It was. It wasn't very good. There. There was like 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: a whole block of those shows that were like kind 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: of bad comedy, sitcom kind of dramedies, like almost like 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: soap operas for kids, and that was one of them. 38 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: I just remember the main guy I didn't growing up. 39 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: That's okay, it was. He didn't miss anything except maybe 40 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: are You Afraid of the Dark? I think he might 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: have enjoyed. But the the main guy who was like 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: running the dude ranch for kids, just sort of weird flex. 43 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: His name was mister Ernst, and everyone called him mystery. 44 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: That's all I got. Guys. It's you know on Secutar 45 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: for Me by Nickelodeon shows from the nineties. 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: For they called him Mystery Mystery something. 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, Ben, you got you got the best of 48 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: nineties television with the X Files, I assure you. So 49 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: jumping into this series email pertaining too Well, let's just 50 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: get right into him. Hello, team, just listen to your 51 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: great segment on dactyl and thought i'd write you to 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: chime in with a bit of contextual knowledge for my 53 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: days as a pest control operator years ago. I was 54 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: a structural Pest Control Board licensed field operator, working seasonally 55 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: for relatives who owned the family business. So I suppose 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 3: I've got pesticide in my blood. No mystery in both 57 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: a literal and a figurative sense. It was not a 58 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: great gig all in all, but it had its perks 59 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: and it helped put me through university. As a tiny 60 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: bit of backstory here, just this is me, Noel. The 61 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: story in question here was about the EPA issuing an 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: emergency order to stop the use of an herbicide known 63 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: as dactyl. 64 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: Matt. 65 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: I believe this is a story that you brought the 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: EPA issued this statement specifically out of Colorado, effectively immediately, 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: no person or business in any state may use, distribute, sell, 68 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: offer for sale, hold for sale, ship, deliver for shipment, 69 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: or receive, and, having so received, deliver, or offer to 70 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: deliver to any person any passive side product containing DCPA, 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: which is die methyl tetra chlora terra thalate DCPA, also 72 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: known as dactyl matt. Is there anything else the listeners 73 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: at home might like to know before we proceed with 74 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: our listener. 75 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 2: Mail, Ah, The main thing to know is that it's 76 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: the first time in forty years that the Environmental Protection 77 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: Agency took such emergency action to stop a product or 78 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: you know, an additive chemical from being distributed like this. 79 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: Got it so big deal? So back to the message. Firstly, 80 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: of course, you're correct regarding the use of the umbrella 81 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: term pesticide as straddling other more niche genres like herbicides 82 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: and identicides. Ben you mentioned both of those in the 83 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: cold open of the show. However, while I'm fairly sure 84 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: that the EPA has made a good and long overdue 85 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: decision to restrict the chemical in question, I would like 86 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: to invoke terminology again to possibly rebut or at least 87 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: qualify one or more of your assertions. Hopefully it will 88 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 3: help to temper some of the chemophobia which so often 89 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 3: threatens to send us all into hysterics myself included. You 90 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: guys alleged that the herbicide is quote inside the vegetables mentioned, 91 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: which I really doubt. Pesticides which go inside of a 92 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: plant as part of their mode of action are called systemics, 93 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: and they're usually not herbicides, because if you put an 94 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 3: herbicide inside of a plant, it will likely kill that plant, 95 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: which isn't great if you're trying to grow and sell 96 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: that plan. Herbicides kill plants, so you try to apply 97 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: them to the plant you want to kill. Generally, I'm 98 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: not super familiar with dactyl, but I would guess, based 99 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: on its advertised efficacies that it is either used in 100 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: targeted applications or broadcast sprayed around food crops to control weeds. 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: So some probably gets on the broccoli, but likely not 102 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 3: so much in the broccoli. While surface exposure is also 103 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: not great, but at least it's a lower degree of contamination, 104 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: and it also leaves the chemical more exposed to environmental 105 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: factors like sunlight, temperature variations, and precipitation, all of which 106 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: help to break it down over time, thus reducing likelihood 107 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: of harmful levels of contamination to consumers. Because another very 108 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: important point, all chemical toxicity is measured in units of 109 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 3: mass of the chemical per unit of body mass of 110 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: the exposed creature, thus resulting in the LD fifty and 111 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: LD one hundred benchmark measurements of toxicity as well as others. 112 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: Relative reductions and exposure matter a lot. I'll refrain from 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: too much speculation regarding golf courses and the perhaps dubious 114 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: pull of the people who play on them, but I'd 115 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: say that given its harms to fetuses and presumably very 116 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: young people, neither of which group are very well represented 117 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: populations on golf courses, dactyl would probably be more of 118 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: a hazard in places like public parks. If the chemical 119 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: is sprayed on grass and you have just walked on 120 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: that grass sometime later, you probably aren't really having much exposure. If, 121 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: on the other hand, you're rolling around in that treated 122 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: surface and having skin exposure or sitting and picnicking on it, 123 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: that is probably not great. And the sooner that you 124 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: get up close and personal with that turf after the 125 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: initial application of that chemical, the more exposure you're likely 126 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: to encounter. Another tidbit I picked up during my time 127 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: in the industry is that herbicides are generally the more 128 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: hazardous kinds of pesticides. I'm a little iffy on that, 129 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: but I think it was a matter of the chemical 130 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: having to penetrate the cell walls of plants, thus necessitating 131 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: a more potent formulation or something. It has always struck 132 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: me that the most likely victim of pesticide poisonings are 133 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: probably farm workers who apply various chemicals on a large scale, 134 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: especially herbicides, as they aren't always provided proper gear and 135 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: training in safety protocols like actually wearing that safety gear 136 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: and reading the MSDS for what they're spraying, manufacturers safety 137 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: data sheets. Gonna end it there, guys. Anyway, thanks for 138 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: the great podcast, mister e mistery, Thank you for the information. 139 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: It obviously is coming from a place of expertise in 140 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: the field, you know, working daily, you know, with these 141 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: types of chemicals, and I think that aspect of it 142 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: super helpful. I do have one thing that struck me 143 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: that I wanted to mention to you guys. We talked 144 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: about the herbicides getting inside of the plants, and mister 145 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: E kind of rebutted that a little bit, but then 146 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: also went on to say that herbicides are the most 147 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: dangerous because they're formulated to penetrate the cell wall of plants. 148 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: So if it's penetrating the cell wall of plants, doesn't 149 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: that mean it's inside the plant. 150 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: Well, this is tough, and you got to think about 151 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: how dactyl is used or daxyl or however you say it. 152 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: If you go to the official website for this chemical 153 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: on amvac dot com, you'll see that they call it 154 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: a pre emergent herbicide pre emergent, which means you spray 155 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: this stuff on the soil after you've planted, generally to 156 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: control other weeds from growing up when you've got something 157 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: specific you're attempting to grow right like the broccoli or 158 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: the bachchoi or whatever, which does mean it hangs around 159 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: in the soil. And as we mentioned on that same website, 160 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: the official website, it says that I'm going to read 161 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: this quote, Dakville degradation is through microbial breakdown in the soil. 162 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: It's not degraded by ultra violet radiation. From sunlight and 163 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: is persistent in that soil for over sixty days. 164 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: That's the key word persistent, which to. 165 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: My mind, maybe I overstepped when I was talking about 166 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: it in that Strange News episode, but it does feel 167 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: to me, and it feels to me as though the 168 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: danger here is that it is that persistent, as you said, Ben, 169 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: and those crops grow for quite a while in that 170 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 2: same soil that for at least sixty days, has this stuff, 171 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: you know, hanging around in it. 172 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: Well, and again, I mean, you know, when you've got 173 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: a bud or you know, the new growth of plant, 174 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: isn't that cell wall super thin? You know? It just 175 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: seems like if it's designed to penetrate the cell wall 176 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: and then it gets inside there and is persistent, doesn't 177 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: that mean it would persistently stick around inside? And again, 178 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 3: not here to call you into question mystery. You know, 179 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: we are coming from a place of this is not 180 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: our field. But I am jumping off of something that 181 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: you said that has felt like a little bit of contradictory. 182 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: And I don't think you were here to like totally 183 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: shut us down, but I think we were operating under 184 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: relatively you know, good faith assumptions here, and I honestly 185 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: what you're writing to us makes me believe that even 186 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,119 Speaker 3: to be more so the case. 187 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: I would like to thank you mistery for first off, 188 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: tuning into the show, and even more importantly for taking 189 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: the time to write in, because this is information that 190 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: people need to know. Our conversation about pesticides or herbicides 191 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: or hang on, let's go to our pal sc bug Geek, 192 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: who we talked with earlier, points out in best Southern 193 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: slang voice, you got your insecticides, your herbicids, your rodent 194 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: to sads, your funga sads, your turmit to sads, and 195 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: your matta sads. We have many We have many pest 196 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: control experts in the crowd tonight, and one thing that 197 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: we hear often is the label is the law. This 198 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: idea of professionals understanding the implications of these chemicals and 199 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: these substances deployed, it strikes a great discrepancy. I would argue, 200 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: the public doesn't understand the same things that the professionals understand, 201 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: and that may be an object of concern. Just to 202 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: finish that. 203 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: Though, absolutely and Mystery also provided us a link to 204 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: something that I referenced in his email the Manufacturers Safety 205 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: Data Sheet or MSDS for dactyl and it is something 206 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: that you too can find if you just search for it. 207 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: Cora Veil dot com, slash WP, dash content, slash uploads, 208 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: slash twenty nineteen, slash one, slash dactyl dash one dot pdf. 209 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: Did you get that? I hope you did. You can 210 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: probably just google the majority of those terms and it'll 211 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: come right up. But one part I just just for 212 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: times sake, I didn't read the MSDS that he linked to. 213 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: He kind of referred to it as being curiously incomplete 214 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: in some areas, which I thought was interesting, And just 215 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: to close out, you know, he went on to say, 216 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: long story short, your fear of pesticide is justified. But 217 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: the upside is that various contaminant factors limit your likelihood 218 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: of problematic exposure. And they're also thankfully and surprisingly pretty 219 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: heavily regulated in the US. On the topic of regulations, 220 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: I've just moved to Europe, and I have to tell 221 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: you it is in fact better over here, which has 222 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: a lot to do with regulations. But I'll spare you 223 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: a spiel and just end it there. Anyways, Thanks for 224 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: the great podcast, But looking at this MSDS sheet. I 225 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: wouldn't have anything approaching the expertise to know what mister 226 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: E means by spare or like incomplete, because I'm looking 227 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: at it and it's a good, you know, ten page 228 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: document with a lot of texts involving regulations in different states. 229 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: There's a whole section for regulatory information, transport information referring 230 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 3: to DOT and other transport organizations, disposal considerations, and then 231 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: carcinogenic effects, carcinogenicity, which is a fun word, germ cell mutagenicity, 232 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: which I think maybe what he's referring to is I 233 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: don't see much on here about the impact on fetuses 234 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: per se, but I guess that's the issue, right, This 235 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: was like maybe something that was outside the scope of 236 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: what was understood to be dangerous about this thing, and 237 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: according to the EPA, not able to be properly mitigated 238 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: enough with those actions that mister E was talking about 239 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: in terms of like the goal would be to reduce exposure, 240 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 3: that would be the goal. And it looks like EPA, 241 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,359 Speaker 3: with their ruling emergency ruling, determine this thing is not mitigatable. 242 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: Is that kind of your perspective there as well. Matt 243 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: from the original story. 244 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the big concern was mothers, right. 245 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: Right, But this document doesn't say anything about that, doesn't 246 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: say anything about dangers to you know, fetuses or unborn children. 247 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: No, does talk about rabbits and uh rats and other 248 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: creatures that they tested acute toxicity on it and it's 249 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: not great. 250 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 251 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: They're mammalions, so it would transfer, right, the same concerns 252 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: could be. 253 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. 254 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: It's a it's like an evil version of credit transferring 255 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: through different universities. If something hurts one kind of creature, 256 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: it can hurt a similar creature one hundred percent. 257 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: Gosh, it's one of those that they write in this 258 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: these materials, the mystery sent like, do not allow this 259 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: material to drain into sewers or water supplies. Wait, what 260 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: happens with crops, guys? You uh oh, you water them 261 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: with giant watering systems. And where does that water go? 262 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: Well, groundwater, and that goes places that can ultimately end 263 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: up in homes. 264 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: It says, do not contaminate ponds, waterways or with this chemical. 265 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: Guys. 266 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: This really does remind me of the many pieces of 267 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: correspondence we've received from fellow conspiracy realist again in the 268 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: pesticide industry, there's a monopolization again as we spoke about 269 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: with Big Bug, right, I think that's what we called it. 270 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: There is a concerted effort to accelerate or I would 271 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: say maintain, if not accelerate, the discrepancy between expert knowledge 272 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: right and scholarship versus the public awareness. Similar to lead pipes, right, 273 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: the idea of lead's effect on people or you know, 274 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: I might get in trouble for this one, but the 275 00:16:53,840 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: lidamide is pretty dangerous and the non research the known 276 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: proving consequences of exposure to thlidibide, those consequences were buried 277 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: quite successfully. There was a conspiracy to bury the results 278 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: of thlidibide exposure. So we have to ask ourselves not 279 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: whether this stuff is one hundred percent dangerous, We have 280 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: to ask ourselves why the public is not more readily 281 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: empowered with information about exposure to these substances. 282 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I also really appreciate the point 283 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: mister emakes in the email about how you know if 284 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: this were to be used like in a park and 285 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: you were picnicking or like rolling around in the grass, 286 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: that would be a much more dangerous transmission of this 287 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 3: stuff than say, a golf course. But if I remember correctly, 288 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: one of the things that perhaps I snarkily, you know, 289 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: commented on it was the idea that, oh, they're not 290 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 3: going to do anything about it. The rich people complain 291 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: because it's contaminating their golf course. And I think that 292 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: might on my part, have been a bit of an oversimplification, 293 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: but it's hard to ignore that that aspect of it 294 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 3: does seem to have moved the needle to some degree. Agreed. 295 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: And if you want to learn more about just these 296 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: you know, chemical dangerous chemicals we're talking about. Been that 297 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: story from East Palestine that we talked about, gosh a 298 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: long time ago. There's new reporting coming out over the 299 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: past like week and a half, two weeks just about 300 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: the dangers that the cleanup workers faced and how many 301 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: people actually got very, very sick from cleaning up these chemicals. 302 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you bringing that up, Matt, because I'm 303 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: still in contact with a lot of those folks. Wow, 304 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: thank you. You know, it's it's rare that I would 305 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: be in articulate there, but that means a world to 306 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: the folks in East Palestines. Well, let's remember just because 307 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: headline is no longer in the news, it doesn't mean 308 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: the story is over. 309 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: Thank you man, very very true. Thanks as well, Matt, 310 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: and thanks to you, mystery. You're gonna take a quick 311 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 3: pause here a word from our sponsor, and then come 312 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: back with some more messages from you. 313 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: And we've returned, and we are taking a little international trip, guys, 314 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: based on a voicemail we got from surf writer. Now 315 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: I cannot discern with my ear holes if it is 316 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: w R I T E R or R I D 317 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: e R or some other word in there. I'm gonna 318 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: say surf writer is in one who rights the surf, 319 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: because that just feels good to me. But here we. 320 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: Maybe we let the listeners be the judge. 321 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: Huh, there we go. What do you think? Let's find 322 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: out here's surf Writer's message. 323 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 4: Hey, this is a surf writer. Love the show, but 324 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 4: listening to it, I can't even count that the number 325 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 4: of years. But I recently heard about scamming institutions that 326 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: are incredibly large. Shall look at too, KK Park and 327 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 4: KK Park two. I'm not sure if you've talked about 328 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 4: them before, but I think it'd be a fascinating story 329 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: to government piece. 330 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: There we go scamming institutes. It's a way surf writer 331 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: described the places we're about to explore, and we called 332 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: them KK Park and KK Park two. I'll tell you 333 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: guys what I found immediately, and then jump into what 334 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: you guys know about this already, because maybe you already 335 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: have some information. It was brand new to me when 336 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: I searched. I got a South China Morning Post or whatever. 337 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: It's that same source we just talked about on Strange News, 338 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: and it was an exclusive story at least according to 339 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: the site. Published on July twenty second, twenty twenty three, 340 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: so last year. And this is the title inside the 341 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: Chinese run crime hubs of Me and Mar that are 342 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: conning the world. And then it has a colon and 343 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: a quotation and it says we can. 344 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: Kill you here unquote. 345 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: And then I can't read the article because I'm not subscribed, 346 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: but I do. I'll read you the two like subtitles 347 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: here from Schwekoco s hwe ko Kko to KK Park, 348 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 2: A slew of brutal criminal enterprises now dot the Moai 349 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: River that forms me and Mars border with Thailand. Survivors 350 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: ensnared by promises of legitimate work spoke to this week 351 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: in Asia. That's another publication of trafficking, torture and being 352 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 2: forced to defraud strangers online. 353 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 3: So this KK park, it's like, it's literally like an 354 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 3: office park where these types of activities are going down. 355 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: Is that the idea? 356 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: Well? That is that is my understanding. It's described often 357 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 2: as a work complex, a like work live complex, a 358 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: place where work can be done and people can be housed, right, 359 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: and you can also eat there because there's gonna be 360 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: some food. 361 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 3: The commissary, the scam, the scam commissary, right. 362 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: It's very live laugh love. 363 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: Yes, guys, I don't know if you we. I think 364 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: we did an ad for it a while back. But 365 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 3: did you guys see the Jason Stathan movie The Bee Keeper. 366 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: I've not seen it. 367 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: I think it's excellent. I think it's really fun. But 368 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: basically it revolves around like a mega organized scam operation 369 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: that is like in a proper office building where people 370 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: are using computers and the scamming old ladies out of 371 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: their pensions and stuff like that. And it really doesn't 372 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 3: make me think of this this level. It has to 373 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 3: be some of the scams that we get over here. 374 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 3: I wonder on phone stuff for spoofing and various things 375 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: that are preying on people that aren't as tech savvy. 376 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: There have to be pretty significant operations behind some of them. Well, yeah, 377 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 3: I mean this is very interesting. When you look at 378 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: the aerial maps, it's like it's like an office park 379 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: and I just I'm picturing a beekeeper type of. 380 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: Well, so let's mention here. According to surf writer and 381 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: to some of the writing, the initial writing that at 382 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: least we've seen on this, it does appear that what's 383 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 2: being described here are these complexes multiple by the way, 384 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: that exist along the border of Thailand and Me and 385 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: mar that kind of specialize in getting workers to the location, 386 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: either you know, through some type of ad or word 387 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: of mouth or by I guess the phrase would be 388 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: conning them into like migrant workers to coming to this location, 389 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: similarly to how we've described it in the past, where 390 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: then the passport and other identification materials are controlled by 391 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 2: someone or some entity that is also on site, and 392 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: then they are forced to do whatever work it is 393 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 2: to pay off a debt, right, a travel debt or 394 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: whatever debt that the company the individuals come up with 395 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: exactly is. 396 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: Trick in the book. They keep the passports, they keep 397 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: the travel papers, and you're basically at their mercy if 398 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: they ever even will release you. 399 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I just according to this one institution 400 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: that I've never heard of this, Maybe you guys have 401 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 2: heard of this, the United States Institute of Peace. 402 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: It sounds made up. 403 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Sounds like they will once again point out the danger 404 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: of innocuous names for organizations. 405 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 3: Well, I would agree in an Orwell novel, they'd be 406 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: the ones making all the war, you know, that's for sure. 407 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: But I think you're on I think you're onto something. 408 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 4: Man. 409 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 2: I think there's something to this. I don't know any 410 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: thing about it. This is an institute that was created 411 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: after this thing passed, called the United States Institute of 412 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: Peace Act in nineteen eighty four, and their mission is 413 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 2: to quote serve the people in the government through the 414 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: widest possible range of education and training, basic and applied 415 00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: research opportunities. That's an interesting statement. And Peace Information Services 416 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: on the means to promote international peace and the resolution 417 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: of conflicts among the nations and peoples of the world 418 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: without recourse to violence. So, according to them, that group, 419 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: there are around twenty thousand workers who are either in 420 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: a state of indentured servitude or are there working on 421 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: their own volition. It's hard to know, but there are 422 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: twenty thousand workers at this one KK park, and then 423 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: there are multiples of those if you imagine the number 424 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: of human beings who are actively working to run whatever 425 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: scams are I guess on the menu there. 426 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: Look, the world is big and a lot of terrible 427 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: things are happening all the time, right the world is 428 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: ending for someone every single minute of an evening. And 429 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: it reminds me a bit of the idea of like 430 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: you guys, remember the game Roomscape. I'm going somewhere with this. 431 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: The video game, like myst it's an old game, it 432 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: is still active. It is a sort Mining resources in 433 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: RuneScape is a viable economic pursuit for people in Venezuela. 434 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: And it's such a big deal that when power is cut, 435 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: when the power goes out in Venezuela, you can measure 436 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: the you can measure the fluctuations in what people pay 437 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: in the old school game RuneScape. This again goes to 438 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: the idea of the stories continuing past the headlines. Households 439 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: in Myanmar are crippled right now, currency is tumbling to 440 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: a low Meanmar is a vassal state of China. It 441 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: is in operative uh not quite hot boar, not quite 442 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: kinetic war, but it is in a very sensitive geopolitical 443 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: situation and the idea of anything we would consider human 444 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: rights doesn't really exist there right now. And this is 445 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: a crazy thing because there are a lot of Chinese 446 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: nationals who are like you said, Matt, they're incentivized, or 447 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: they're tempted or somehow sometimes coerced into these border towns. 448 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: And these people are coming from Thailand, from Laos, from Cambodia, 449 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: as far away as Hong Kong and Taiwan, and they're 450 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: put there, are lured there the same way that domestic 451 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: workers are lured into certain Middle Eastern countries. And just 452 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: as you said, their passports are taken, they are put 453 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: into indentured tude right slaves in all operative terms, and 454 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: there there's not really anybody sticking up for them, which 455 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: is a very dangerous thing. That's that's what I saw. 456 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: I agree with you. 457 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: I think we should stand up and I think we 458 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: need to make this whole episode. 459 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 3: Guys. 460 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: It goes so deep into the holding companies that run 461 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 2: some of the online gambling outfits that are running in 462 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: places like Yatai New City, which is a part of 463 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: that Shwekoco Place, companies like Yatai International Holdings Group and 464 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: Chitlin Mayang Company that work together to do this stuff. 465 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: There's apparently one of one of the companies involved is 466 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: owned by a fugitive, like a Chinese fugitive. Well again, 467 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: like it's tough to know in the moment if I 468 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: can trust some of these sources that I'm looking at, 469 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: But there it goes deep, and I think if we 470 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: parse through a lot of it, we can get to 471 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: the bottom of a story about exactly where you're describing 472 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: Ben just using those border town who I was gonna 473 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: I was gonna use the phrase limital spaces where the 474 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: law kind of applies, but you know, kind of doesn't. 475 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: And it's easier just to leave well enough alone in 476 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: certain cases, especially if it's like contained and it's not 477 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 3: bleeding out into the potential governing countries, like in terms 478 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 3: of like if there were violence being done or if 479 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 3: it was like cartel type stuff, then they'll probably be 480 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: a different story. But if they're keeping it, keeping to 481 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: themselves with this as it seems that they are right. 482 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and if they're conning people in America and 483 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: countries across vast oceans, maybe it's not that big of 484 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: a concern. And if the people who are running these 485 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: operations are genuinely dangerous, you know, human beings part of 486 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: genuinely dangerous organizations, then you don't You got it? Well, 487 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: you have to choose your actions very carefully. 488 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 3: It's right, Ben. Can I get you to clarify something 489 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 3: for me? I'm sorry if I missed it. You mentioned 490 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: that game RuneScape and like something about power. I just 491 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: I want to understand the connection there, because it made 492 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: me think of a Neil Stevenson book called REOMNDI, where 493 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: there's like these Chinese it's like a massive multiplayer online 494 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: game and there's like gold farming that takes place, and 495 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: it's a way of like hiding criminal activity and like 496 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: almost like a secret currency in a way of like 497 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: you know, paying for things with this like in game currency. 498 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm just wondering if that was any connection or how 499 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 3: that pertained to this type of activity. Hopy. 500 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, to be specific, Venezuela due to the who everybody 501 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: read Confessions of an Economic Hitman first off, but Venezuela 502 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: is having an economic collapse, okay, and it's not in 503 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: a good place. The people of Venezuela are in a 504 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: really tough spot such that it has become a viable career, 505 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: a means of survival to mine or grind in the 506 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: game RuneScape, the old school game RuneScape. And we know 507 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: this is a real and measurable thing because when the 508 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: power goes out in Venezuela and parts of Venezuela, like 509 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: in Canakas, so like when the power goes out, the 510 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: value of stuff in that online game RuneScape fluctuates. If 511 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: you want to learn more about it, folks, check out 512 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: this has been going on for years. You could check 513 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: out articles from twenty twenty. Here's one I'm just off 514 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: the dome googling how RuneScape is helping Venezuelan survive May 515 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, twenty twenty by Matt Ompler. And that's a 516 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: tangential reference to what you're taught talking about, Matt, which 517 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: is the process going on now in meandmar But people's lives. 518 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 3: Are on the line, and I guess, Matt, is this 519 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: are there some people that are part of this willingly do? 520 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 3: I mean again, I guess this is tough. We have 521 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: to dig and find, you know, because obviously they're the 522 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: top dogs, the people that are supervising it, making the 523 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 3: big money. But it seems like a lot of it 524 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 3: is tant amount to kidnapping, and you know, in dentur 525 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: and servitude, I just wonder if there are echelons and 526 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: like what that looks like. It's very, very troubling and fascinating. 527 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: It appears that it's organized criminal activity that is controlling 528 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: these sites. You can see reporting out of CNN from 529 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: May twenty twenty three. Title of this it's it's archived, 530 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: so I don't know if you can actually find the 531 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: original one anymore, but a genuine archived CNN article titled 532 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: six Filipinos rescued from human trafficking syndicates in Me and 533 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: mar And what they are described here are people who 534 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: got basically taken into KK Park, then taken to another 535 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: place called Century Park in Mayowadi, Myawaddy, and they were 536 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: able to cross the border into Thailand and escape. So 537 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: human beings that are being forced to work there that 538 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: are escaping, they're talking about torture at least once they 539 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: get free. They're talking about taking part in cryptocurrency and 540 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: love scams specifically while they're there, and again imagining that 541 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: that's happening probably across the ocean, if not just targeting 542 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: other places that they see as very wealthy these criminal organizations. 543 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: It's that there was a BBC article specifically talking about 544 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: scams in Cambodia and again like very similar places, they 545 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: all mention KK Park by the way, So that is 546 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: probably our starting point, just the way it was with 547 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: surf Writer's message. Start there and expand out and just 548 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: see what we can find. 549 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: Greed appreciate your time immensely, surf wright er, thank you 550 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: for bringing this to the forefront, because I think we 551 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: can all agree this is something that is unfamiliar and 552 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: specific to a lot of people in the West. When 553 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: we're talking about online gambling or video games, it may 554 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: sound innocuous, it very much is not. We are talking 555 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: about human trafficking. The memr and Thailand border is worrius, 556 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: which means quite a bit of trafficking occurs, and quite 557 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: often the authorities, the people who are supposed to protect 558 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: other people, look the other way and indeed may participate 559 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: in crime. 560 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: Do you think there's any connection to the way, like, 561 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 3: you know, stuff that happens with Cartel's on the US 562 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: Mexico borders politicized or is it just a different kind 563 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: of ball of axe? I guess, because you know, you 564 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: do see that trickle into the United States to a 565 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: point where it can become a political talking point of 566 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: like they're they're this porous aspect is causing us harm. 567 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 3: I just wonder if there's any of that taking place 568 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 3: in this situation on you know, the other side of 569 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: that Horus border. 570 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: I really don't know. I'm sorry, I'm about a bit 571 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: of a loss here. 572 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 3: I just don't think so many things to look into, 573 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: big questions. 574 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, agreed, I'm just looking in this BBC article 575 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 2: talking about sites in Cambodia. Now, there's just so much 576 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: of this going on. We got to sift through it. 577 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: So we will do that. Let us know if you 578 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 2: have any more information, and we will be right back 579 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 2: with more messages from you. 580 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: And we have returned with a choice for our intrepid 581 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: host here. Do you guys want to hear an unhinged, 582 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: hilarious conspiracy email or do you want to hear from 583 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: Tom and the Dragon? 584 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: Oh, geez, unhinged? First, Matt, what do you think? 585 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then let's write the dragon. 586 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's see how let's say how far 587 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: we get here? 588 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: All right? 589 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: Uh, here we go? Iguanta tell you something By R. 590 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: Tilliam mcscaley. Greetings, host, longtime listener, first time emailer. Literally, 591 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: I've never sent an email before. I find that telepathy 592 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: gets things done faster, although it can get pretty crowded sometimes, 593 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: and I end up accidentally telling my Grandmaster how much 594 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: I hate his all hands meetings. I was alerted to 595 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: the fact that an audio teaching was being broadcast by 596 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: the fine folks at std WYTK. I believe you call 597 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: it a podcast, which is funny really, since to us 598 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: a podcast is simply the implemented system we have to 599 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: dispatch vessel pods to and from Earth. We all had 600 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: a great lol about that in the Orifice office. Curse 601 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: these webbed hands. 602 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 3: Oh wait, okay, wait, hold on, is this like a 603 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 3: lizard person? Who is this? Okay? 604 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 2: They're clearly sending pods to and from Earth. 605 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 3: Tide pods for the children to eat. No, what what 606 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 3: mischief is this person up to? Please go on, we 607 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 3: must hear more. 608 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: And mcscalley continues, you hit on some good points. A 609 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 2: few quite accurate, but luckily they were told in jest, 610 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: and the validity of such an existence cease to be 611 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: taken seriously by the listening subjects. Okay, I don't know, 612 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 2: maybe I'm losing myself here. Here we go, continue on. 613 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: Have you ever considered that a common symbol, statue, monument 614 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: that you have in your land was deliberately created to 615 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: communicate that my lords have complete control over your actions? 616 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: You call it lady justice. 617 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 3: We thought it would be too obvious, but we quickly 618 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 3: realized that the primate brain is more interested in calling 619 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 3: a lady because she seems to have memory bags and 620 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 3: not realize what's actually being represented. First of all, and 621 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, one hand is carrying scales. Let 622 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 3: me emphasize the word scales. I'll let you continue figuring 623 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 3: that one out. 624 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: Second scales. Everybody think about that reptile choke. Secondly, the sword, This, 625 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: what I admit, is trickier. You see, just like on 626 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: your planet, there are some lizards no relation, that lose 627 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: their tail when confronted by danger. We reptilions also have 628 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: that ability. However, being much larger in size, our tail 629 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: doesn't fall off that easily. So we have our own swords. 630 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: I'm saying, swartz swords to help quicken the process. It 631 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: really is a b word. 632 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 3: Cut their own tails of this is well psychotic, all right, 633 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: I think we're getting the homest matt All right. 634 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 2: Here we go third. So we've got the scales, We've 635 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 2: got the sword. Here it comes third, the blind fold. 636 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 2: No justice is not blind. Its eyes are very much awake. 637 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 2: Or since we have the double layered eyelid, we like 638 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 2: to joke that their eyes wide shut. 639 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 3: Get it. 640 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 2: I mentioned this once during the studio filming of the 641 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 2: moon landing, and this guy Stan who's doing the filming, 642 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 2: just bust a gut right there. He wrote it on 643 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,280 Speaker 2: a napkin and always wondered what he'd do with it. AnyWho, 644 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 2: I digress. The blindfold is to signify our hidden place 645 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 2: in your world, working unseen from the shadows. 646 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 3: He's drag upon Easter eggs. It's cause stuff. Yeah. The 647 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 3: less said about the Statue of Liberty, the better, ah excrement. 648 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 3: I have to go. Mother is calling for our feedings, 649 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 3: and I hate to get another tongue lashing, a literal one. 650 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: Believe me, you don't want to get slapped by that thing. 651 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: It's like being hit with a wet fish wrapped in sandpaper. 652 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: Talk so mother time, I'm getting the hang of this 653 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: electronic mailing system. Be in touch, XENU, be with you. 654 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: So say we all okay? So say we all all right? 655 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: Did we get an important message? Or is that unhinged? 656 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Oh? 657 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we got a super important message. We need 658 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 2: to get to the PostScript though, because that's what makes 659 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 2: it all makes sense. 660 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: Ah, yes, matt why do you take us home on 661 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: that one? 662 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 3: Well? 663 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 2: The PostScript and then mc sally wrote, is go ahead 664 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: and use this in my name on the casting pod. 665 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 2: They'll never believe you. They'll just think I have become strange. 666 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:49,720 Speaker 3: I am become strange. Oh and it's mccalely, Matthew, mc sally, Scooby. 667 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 3: Do the hell out of this one, guys, that was 668 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 3: a lot of fun. We sure did. 669 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, mcscaley. We think also, uh, thank 670 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: you and apaulogies to codename Doc Holliday for having to 671 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: edit our off by conversations on this. We have so 672 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: much more to get to. We have one letter from home. 673 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: We wanted to give a very special congratulations to our 674 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: pals the Devil Family to Rebel Devil. We talked about 675 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: this a little bit off air. Turns out one of 676 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: our favorite conspiracy realist couples has just tied the knot, 677 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: jumped the broom, made the. 678 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 3: Matrimony, getting hitched. 679 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah on purpose? 680 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 3: Whoa bold move. Four. 681 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: Now we talked with We talked with Rebel, and Rebel said, 682 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: I'll leave it to you and the crew as you 683 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 1: all are excellent wordsmiths for the exact verbiage, but please 684 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: say something along the lines of wishing us here it goes, guys, 685 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: a life of happiness adventure, and maybe throw in an 686 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 1: alien or UFO reference because those are my wife's favorite 687 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: episodes and conspiracies. Yeah, can do we got a good 688 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: UFO reference. 689 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 3: Oh it's got to be now, Okay, sorry, I justent 690 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 3: those are some of our favorite episodes too. I don't know, man, 691 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 3: I can't I can't do it. I can't do it 692 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 3: on command like that. What a reference kind of has 693 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 3: to happen organically. I don't know how to just like 694 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 3: bust it out. But I'm not as I'm not as 695 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 3: clever as you guys. Maybe y'all can do I. 696 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 2: Don't know if we've got a UFO reference, I would 697 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 2: just say, considering your matrimony is nigh. 698 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 3: Uh. 699 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 2: It is strange that I randomly went UFO UAP hunting 700 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 2: for the first time last weekend as we're recording this, 701 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 2: that's true, and I bought some equipment. 702 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 3: And telescope with a science buddy, right, didn't you have 703 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 3: a science pal? 704 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, science pal Scott Scottie and Nick, who was 705 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 2: the reason I was out there. Shout out to you, 706 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 2: Nicholas and your lake that is almost a pond but 707 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 2: a little too big, so it's a lake. 708 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 3: A lake that he owns. I just I don't know 709 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 3: why I can't get my head around that, but I will. 710 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 2: I will just tell you guys right now, just to 711 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: bring this up. And I'm sorry, I don't want to 712 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: capitalize too much time here, but I saw some things 713 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 2: that initially as just old Maddie two hands Frederick guy 714 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 2: looking up at the sky with some sophisticated equipment. I 715 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 2: saw some stuff that my brain said, Hey, that's kind 716 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 2: of weird. I don't I don't like that. I can't 717 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 2: understand that with my current understanding of what goes around 718 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 2: comes around up there. And my friend Scott who is 719 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 2: He's been interested in this stuff forever. He's had a telescope. 720 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 2: You know that you can make out Saturn from here 721 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 2: really really well. He said that since he was a kid, 722 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 2: and he explained some things to me that made it 723 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 2: a lot more a lot less scary. I think with 724 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,959 Speaker 2: some of the lights that I saw up. 725 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 3: There in the sky, do you care to share with 726 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 3: the glass so we too can be less scared. 727 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 2: Well, it was a specific thing about satellites and certain 728 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 2: movements when the Sun is at a certain position relative 729 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 2: to the Earth, and the way sun rays can still 730 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 2: hit things that are that high up. Right, they're still 731 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 2: in orbit, but they're that high up and the sun 732 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: can hit them. And depending on stuff like cloud cover 733 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 2: and where they're moving relative to you know, mountains and 734 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 2: elevation of the Earth, you can get weird little stuff 735 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 2: that happens where you'll see a shiny circle or you know, 736 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 2: spherical object in the sky kind of flash past for 737 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 2: a second, but you realize, oh, that's definitely not you know, 738 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 2: some kind of meteor or you know, we just went 739 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 2: through the shower. What was the meteor shower? Yeah, and 740 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 2: it was right around the same time and It definitely 741 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 2: wasn't that. But he just explained to me some things 742 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 2: that made me feel better. 743 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,439 Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yes, it does, and it makes 744 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: sense not just in a literal and scientific perspective, Matt, 745 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: but also in a metaphorical perspective. To you, the newly 746 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: minted honeymooning Devil couple conspiracy realist, everyone is an object 747 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: in space, and let us imagine, let us look with 748 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: true amazement upon the inexplicable odds that you two objects 749 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: in space would align, would become undivisible. That's not a word, 750 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,760 Speaker 1: it's American English. But you are objects together. 751 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 3: Now. 752 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful thing. 753 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 2: That is a beautiful thing, Ben, you kind of just 754 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,359 Speaker 2: quoted the word I spoke to my ex wife when 755 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 2: we got hitched. The improbable nature of these two conscious, 756 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 2: conscious beings coming together to form one system, that is 757 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 2: that you can use that I like, Oh. 758 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: My god, we're bigging up. We're biging up our guy here. Well, congratulations, folks, 759 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: join us in congratulating the newly minted Devils, And we 760 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: also want to thank you for tuning in. As we say, 761 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: you're the most important part of the show. We are 762 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,879 Speaker 1: so grateful to Tom of Tom and the Dragon, to mccali, 763 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: to surf Writer or Writer, to mister e and also 764 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: some folks we'll hear from in the future, including Dilly. 765 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 3: Oh, and I'm sorry I offer my congratulations to the 766 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 3: happy couple as well. Sorry I didn't want to be 767 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 3: a downer there. Congrats you too. And hey, if you 768 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 3: have something you'd like us talk about on the podcast, 769 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 3: you can reach out to us at the hand of 770 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 3: Conspiracy Stuff where we exist all over the internet, particularly 771 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 3: on Facebook where we have our Facebook group Here's where 772 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,399 Speaker 3: it gets crazy, on xfka, Twitter, and on YouTube where 773 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 3: we have video content galore. On Instagram and TikTok. However, 774 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,720 Speaker 3: we are Conspiracy Stuff Show. But wait, there's more. 775 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 2: You can contact us directly with your mouth and your 776 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 2: phone call one eight three three std WYTK. It's a 777 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 2: voicemail system. You're not going to talk to anybody, but 778 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 2: you will hear Ben's voice and you'll hear a beep. 779 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 2: Then you've got three minutes. Say whatever you'd like, literally anything. 780 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 2: Just do give yourself a cool nickname and let us 781 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 2: know if we can use your name and message on 782 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 2: the air. That's just helpful thing for us. If You've 783 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 2: got more to say, Maybe you got links, maybe attachments. 784 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 2: Why not instead send us a good old fashioned email. 785 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence 786 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,399 Speaker 1: we receive, be aware yet unafraid. 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