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Speaker 1: twelve season is mercifully over. It has come to an

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Speaker 1: end finally with a big old donut in the bowl

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Speaker 1: game collegue, Was you tass loss really a win? Though?

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Speaker 1: And you tass roster at the Rose Bowl? Was that

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Speaker 1: an issue? And grading every team season? The big names

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Speaker 1: for college football? And so many coaching staff changes and

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Speaker 1: non changes have created a controversy in the conference and

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Speaker 1: should the conference go to nine games? Eight games in conference?

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Speaker 1: And also Dan Landing and the show caused All Stars

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Speaker 1: returned to the Pack twelve. Is this going to work?

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Speaker 1: I'm George Rice Stir He's Ralph Amsden with Mr John

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Speaker 1: at Unafraid show dot com. Alright, fellas, So, uh, Bowl

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Speaker 1: game is over and I guess the PAC twelve had well,

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Speaker 1: actually they finished oh and five. I mean, did anybody

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Speaker 1: think that that was possible? I did not. I did

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Speaker 1: not think they'd go winless. Um. Then again, there there

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Speaker 1: me neither. I don't. Uh. There were enough games that

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Speaker 1: there was the Rose Bowl, which you know, which you

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Speaker 1: thought Utah could win or not, you know, like that

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Speaker 1: be plausible after uh Ohio State has so many players out,

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Speaker 1: should these non playoff bowl games? Should they even count

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Speaker 1: the amount of opt outs, and the coaching changes which

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Speaker 1: And then there was COVID too. Should should those games

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Speaker 1: The games if a coach has already moved on, don't

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Speaker 1: I am I going too far with that? John? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I see, I totally see what

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Speaker 1: Smith has brought this program from, and I thought that

430
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: they were that that they should have been two games better,

431
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: like like I just felt like it they should have

432
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: at least had eight wins. I Uh, I give them

433
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: a C plus and um that that's an A plus

434
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: for what they did in Corvallis and a D minus

435
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: for the rest because they were definitely two different teams.

436
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: But Jonathan Smith has never been to a bowl. They

437
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: haven't been to a bowl in a really long time. Uh,

438
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: And they managed to retain him, which is really good

439
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: for the future of Oregon State. And I thought that

440
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: they were just freakishly untalented compared to the rest of

441
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: the pack twelve. I thought he was maximizing a lot

442
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: of what that what that roster had to offer, and

443
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: in this season includes a close game at Oregon, win

444
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: in l A over USC, and a win over the

445
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: Pack twelve conference champion UM in Utah in which they

446
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: were dominant offensively. I'm not gonna hold the bowl game

447
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: against them, um said, and wins is a really good

448
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: season and as long as they as long as they

449
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: build on it, I think they're going to continue to

450
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: look back on this season very favorably. So, John, how

451
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: about you. I gave a B just because I thought

452
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: if you had told me ahead before the season they

453
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: would win seven, that they'd be in the North race

454
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: till the last week, they'd make a bowl game for

455
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: the first time in eight years. They beat the conference champs. Said, boy,

456
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: that's a really good season for for Oregon State, because

457
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I didn't expect them do much. No,

458
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: that that's a fair We we actually need to revisit

459
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: our preseason predictions, all right. Um Arizona State, who finished

460
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: eight and five, I gave them a an absolute. I

461
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: gave them a like a D. Give them a D

462
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: because this was their opportunity, this was their chance. They're

463
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: non conference schedule was just as light as it could

464
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: pass ably be with b y U U n l

465
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: V and Southern Utah and then they uh, and then

466
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: they lost the b y U game, but they started

467
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: out five and one and then lose to Utah, lose

468
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: to Washington State and it just felt like and then

469
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: they lost the Oregon State as well, and then they

470
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: didn't have the development offensively that they wanted all the

471
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: offseason issues. Yeah, this is a D because people because

472
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: they're fans. I mean even even Ralph Win when we

473
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: were predicting it prior to the season, he was like, Bro,

474
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: this team could go twelve twelve and oh eleven and one,

475
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't see it, but I

476
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: mean I expected them to have the record that they

477
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: that they have, but it was just a mess. Yeah,

478
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna give him a C minus. Uh. The

479
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: thing that's keeping it the C minus is eight wins,

480
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: but only one of those wins is over a winning team.

481
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: If you really get into the weeds on what happened

482
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: this season, if you just look at Jayden Daniels alone,

483
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: he had seven games with no touchdown passes, six with

484
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass in more games without a touchdown pass

485
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: than he had with one. This is the worst passing

486
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: season offensively since as far as touchdowns thrown yards per game,

487
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: this is the worst kick scoring season since nineteen eighty nine.

488
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: And this is the worst penalty margin uh season for

489
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Arizona State. As far as how many penalties they have

490
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: versus their opponent since they started keeping the statu intwo thousands,

491
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: they were plus three point six on the season. They

492
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: were undisciplined, They couldn't score the ball through the air,

493
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: They could not score the ball um using using the

494
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: kicking game, which the thing that held them above water

495
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: the entire season was Antonio Pierces defense. Ironically, that's the

496
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: thing that's gonna drown them long term. As far as

497
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: the things that that staff was involved with, that he

498
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: had a hand in bringing in and and and hiring um.

499
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: But if it wasn't for Antonio Pierce, they don't get

500
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: eight wins this season. The offense was absolutely putrid. I

501
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: don't know who you blame that on, because Zach Hill

502
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: has a long history of different quarterbacks having a lot

503
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: of success under his tutelage, and they don't have any

504
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: competition for Jaden Daniels. They're losing their two top running backs,

505
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: one switched completely to defense, while the other declared for

506
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: for the NFL draft, and so um three of their

507
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: starting offensive linemen are gone after this season. It could

508
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: be really bad that they could look back on this

509
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: season and be like, man, those were the days, and

510
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: that's incredibly depressing for Arizona State fans at this point.

511
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: I give him a C minus because it was an

512
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: eight win season. They still won eight games. I think

513
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I gave him a C. Basically it was a soft

514
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: D eight wins, but it was eight wins, you know, average,

515
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: pretty average? Yep? All right, Um, Washington State seven and

516
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: six lost the ball game to Central Michigan. That and

517
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: mind you that that lost hurt hurt my ranking of them.

518
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: I gave because I wanted to give them a good

519
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: B because of losing their head coach, keeping their season together,

520
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: winning uh, staying in the race. But yeah, it was

521
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: just the blowout to USC. The loss Utah obviously looks good.

522
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: B y U or like, I gotta give him a

523
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: B minus C plus only and and it would be

524
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: a B minus if it weren't for the if it

525
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: weren't for the bowl game loss, because I do love

526
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: the fact that they found their head coach and stayed together.

527
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: They only had a couple of days to prepare for

528
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: their opponent, and they did. But they figured it out

529
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: and they came back. And it's not like Central Michigan

530
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have a head coach that hasn't been around the block.

531
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: Jim mcween knows what he's doing. Central Michigan was left

532
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: with some talent, uh when when he took that job.

533
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: It's not they're not They're not terrible. Um. I think

534
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: it's two. It's two different seasons that you're that you're

535
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: looking at here. You can judge Washington State in grade

536
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Washington State based on the fact that they couldn't get

537
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: some of their coaches on board as far as um

538
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: the vaccine mandate that ultimately ended up costing them their job,

539
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: or you can look at the fact that they were

540
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: able to regroup and and make a bowl and be

541
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: respectable and uh and and put together a pretty good

542
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: coaching staff in in in the wake of everything that

543
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: happened there. So I like this season for them. UM,

544
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: I give them a B minus. I think they're fired

545
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: up and and and rare to make a big impact

546
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: going forward. Um Uh, it's seven and six is is

547
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: not representative of what this team was able to accomplish

548
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: as a group. Alright, how about you john him a minus? Yeah?

549
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, you tell me Washington State is going to

550
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: go six and three in league play and have the

551
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: fire it's coach in the middle of the season, I'd say,

552
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: that's a really good season for the Cougars. So yeah,

553
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: uh yeah, yeah, maybe maybe I was the Russian judge.

554
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: I was a little too harsh all right now to

555
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: the team U c l A. U c l A

556
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: ended up with. Uh, with what Chip Kelly's best season

557
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: since he's been there? How would you guys great their season?

558
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: I gave this one to be minus. I thought it

559
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: was a really good I thought it was a really

560
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: good year. I thought there were a couple of games,

561
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: um that that would have made a big difference. Being

562
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: the only team with a winning record to have a

563
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: loss against Arizona State does not look good for them

564
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done. Um, they were. They

565
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: were clicking in all phases outside of defensively just offensively anyway. Um.

566
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: Towards the end of the season, ending with with three wins,

567
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: UM was really big. They were competitive against Oregon even

568
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: though they didn't win that game. Um, the loss of

569
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Fresno State is also not something that I'm sweating. That

570
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: was a really special team as well, So I think that, Um,

571
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: it was a good overall. It was a good year,

572
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: especially especially on the offensive side of the ball. Anything

573
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: that I'm taking off for U. C. L A Is

574
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: all because of the fact that that defense didn't communicate

575
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: with each other. They the scheme was weird. They don't

576
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: have any accountability there, um, But B minus overall for me, yeah,

577
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: I got the same grade they You know, they haven't

578
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: been to a bowl game, even though they didn't get

579
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: a chance to play this year in forever. And you know,

580
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly clearly has things offensively going in the right direction.

581
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: But now it's a matter of what what they're gonna

582
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: do for next season with his contract and all of

583
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I gave him a B minus too.

584
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I gave them a C. I mean, basically the same thing.

585
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: It was a soft dight wins right. No, you don't

586
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: beat a team with a winning record? Are they beat

587
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: L S U? They were? I don't think L S

588
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: you finished with a winning record, did they? It depends

589
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: on if you consider six and six winning record. I

590
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: don't know me neither neither. Yeah yeah no, but the

591
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: SEC means more, George listen, No, no, it does not. Um,

592
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: all right, USC, I gave them an F, an absolute F.

593
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: But but like I think that they deserve a two

594
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: part grade. That they get an F for the entire season,

595
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: but then they get it. But then it's like dumb

596
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: and dumber, just when I didn't think that you could

597
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: do anything where should come back, can totally redeem yourself

598
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: with the Lincoln Riley higher. So I give them in

599
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: and F for the football part and then in a

600
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: for getting a coach. This is definitely an F. It

601
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: just if you were to give them anything more than that,

602
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: I think you get inundated with hate from their own fans.

603
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: I mean, they're completely embarrassed by how the season went.

604
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: They're embarrassed that they retained Clayhudn't even though it looks

605
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: like it worked out for him in the long run. UM.

606
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: They're embarrassed by the kid who got the Dorian Thompson

607
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Robinson autographed. They're embarrassed giving up their first home loss

608
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: to Utah, the first in seventy years home loss state UM.

609
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: The about about the only thing that they have any

610
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: um solace in was that Jackson Dart showed some promise. Um.

611
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: But just overall, just what what an awful awful year

612
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: for the Trojans. Easy f's the easiest, all right, Uh,

613
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: we got Washington. I gave them an F two. I mean,

614
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: all the obvious reasons you have to fire a coach

615
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: after two years your recruiting classes think right now, Yeah,

616
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: easy F. I also failed, uh Washington, because to pass

617
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: Washington would be the ultimate irony, because they cannot pass anything.

618
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: How about you, John, Yeah, And I just you know,

619
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a big issue for the Pact twelve.

620
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: Washington and USC both get fs. I mean, there's no

621
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: way the conference is gonna be thrive when two when

622
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: two of its top three programs are getting fs. Right,

623
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: that's a bigger picture issue. Yes, No, you are one

624
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: right about that. They they can't be getting fs. They

625
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: can get bees, they even a C maybe, but they

626
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: can't get an F. UM bad news for the conference

627
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: if that's happened. Yeah, But and we have already given uh,

628
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: we've already given our assessment on kaylin devorce. So Washington

629
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: fans don't don't think that we didn't talk about your

630
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: coach and think that this is a long term good

631
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: A higher um Stanford, I got Stanford and F two

632
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: that this team is moving in the wrong direction offensively, defensively. Uh. Yeah.

633
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: It was brutal to watch them at the end of

634
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: the season. I was like, this doesn't even look like

635
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: I felt like, if you put them against North Dakota State,

636
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: I would pick North Dakota State every time. At the

637
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: end of the season, I'm upset that Stanford wasted my time.

638
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: They're definitely getting f as well for for their season,

639
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: but I was ready to give them that F. In

640
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: the third quarter of the game against in the State,

641
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: it looked so incredibly obvious that they made the wrong

642
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: decision at quarterback, that the entire roster uh was was

643
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: talent depleted, that they weren't being coached up like it

644
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: was painfully obvious. Then they we beat USC the next week,

645
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: and then we had to spend the next four weeks

646
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: wondering was this team actually any good or not? And

647
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: uh and that was incredibly frustrating. They finished the season,

648
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: what losing seven games in a row. They did not

649
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: score more than fourteen points for the last five weeks

650
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: of the season. Uh just I mean brutal, brutal offensive

651
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: and defensive performance. They should not be considered for anything

652
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: other than um then absolute failing. Great, Well, I get

653
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: the first f the Cardinals have ever seen, anyone on

654
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: that team has ever seen. I actually get him a

655
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: D plus. So sorry to disappoint everybody, but partly partly

656
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: because I didn't think they were going to be any good,

657
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: but also I mean the schedule, Right, you have to

658
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: take into account that they played all Power five opponents,

659
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: and you do give respect for that. They played Kansas

660
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: State at nine am in Dallas. Right if Kansas State

661
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: is u n l V, and you know, then they

662
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: got another win, right maybe, Well you would think you

663
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: would think, well, un l V is terrible. So yes,

664
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: yes you are. I'm just saying you got You kind

665
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: of got to take into account that that their schedule

666
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: was more difficult and they got you know, they got

667
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: Utah uh and and Arizona State and the Cross Division.

668
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: They didn't you know, so and I didn't think they're

669
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: going to be any good, So I give them a

670
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: DP plus. And also didn't I just didn't think that

671
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: they should be viewed the same way as USC or Washington. Yeah, true, true. Now,

672
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: now you are a hundred percent right because there was

673
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: more expectations for both of those teams. So so instead

674
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: of putting them on the same plane, I will amend

675
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: my my USC and Washington um uh grades from from

676
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: from F to UH to a use like like they're

677
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: so bad that they're ungradable. So I can still give

678
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: Stanford and the way the same way Arizona State is uncoached.

679
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we will get into that, boy, because

680
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: that's a whole another can of words. Um, all right,

681
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: we got what four teams left? We got cal Cal

682
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: finished the season five and seven. Listen, they had all

683
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: types of COVID issues, all of this stuff. I would

684
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: give them a I don't even feel like that that

685
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: they should get a full letter grade that they should

686
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: get like a pass or no pass like they get

687
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: have passed like pass, because what was there to actually

688
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: expect considering everything that they did, Like the offense isn't

689
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: that great. So I feel like if I have to

690
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: give him a grade, I'm gonna give him a C.

691
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: This year turned out exactly the way that I thought

692
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: it would. The moment that Brett Johnson got hit by

693
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: that car and they said he was out for the season.

694
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: I was like, that absolutely takes the air of the room.

695
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: And then you have, uh, they're one of their best

696
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: linemen medically retired. They were already thin up front. I

697
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: thought they'd go five and seven. They did. I still

698
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: managed to be disappointed every time I watched them because

699
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: they weren't running the ball as as as much as

700
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: I felt like they had the ability to do um.

701
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: But that being said, they met my expectations. I think

702
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: a C is appropriate. Yeah, I gave him C or

703
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: C minus. You know, I caught it. I kind of

704
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: held it against him that even though they didn't have

705
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: Chase Garbage for the Arizona game, and if they win

706
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: that game, they go to a bowl, they should be

707
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: forgot about that game. They definitely should have beat Arizona,

708
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: know quarterback, But the thing is they should be held

709
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: accountable for having for not having a functional backup quarterback.

710
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: Right if if their quarterback in that game can complete

711
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: five passes, right, I mean they win that game and

712
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: then they're going to a bowl, and I think that

713
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of on the Damn that's a good that's

714
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: a good observation. Sir, all right, now let's go to Arizona.

715
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Arizona who finished one in eleven. I thought that it's

716
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: funny because their season was absolutely awful at one and eleven.

717
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: But when you look at the momentum that they got

718
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: in recruiting, the momentum, the how hard the players played,

719
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: like they were so talented, deficient everything at the end

720
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: of the season. When I look at Arizona right now,

721
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, huh, I would give them a B. I

722
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: would give them a bet because of what because of

723
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm a progress not perfection, and the expectations were so

724
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: incredibly low that they actually exceeded those expectations. I think

725
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: as a former school teacher, I would also give them

726
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: a be a bumblebee sticker with a good job on it,

727
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: right next to the big F written in cram because

728
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: you can't they one in eleven, George, they went one

729
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: and eleven, and they're only with like they were very

730
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: very close to being O and Twine and and I don't. Yes,

731
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: the future looks promising. Yes, they continue to exceed expectations

732
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: off the field, but the games played on the field,

733
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: and on the field, they were the worst team in

734
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: the back twelve and that did that meet my expectation

735
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: for them? Yes? But my goodness, dude, I can't I

736
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: can't give them how could? I said? I give him

737
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: a bumblebee sticker next to their their f that's a

738
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: good way to put it where. You know, didn't fail

739
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: it was, you know, but they did. They lost at

740
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: home to NAU. They should be losing to n A. Yeah,

741
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't care, Yeah, true, I am in mind now

742
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: to with see Africa they would have they would have

743
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: a losing their losing streak would be at like twenty

744
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: something games right now if Cal hadn't had a COVID problem.

745
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: So but I didn't think I didn't think they should

746
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: get enough either. So all right, um, now onto the

747
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: transfer portal, because the transfer portal has been absolutely demolishing

748
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: rosters right now, Oregon to take out a few guys

749
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: out Robbie Ashford, d J James uh Usc as guys

750
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: in the portal. Stanford is actually getting a kid from

751
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: Utah out of the portal, right so I mean from

752
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Utah from Oklahoma, which which I thought was weird. Stanford

753
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: taking a guy out of portal, But um, how do

754
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: you guys see this impacting the PAC twelve. Do you

755
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: think the PAC twelve is actually ends up in a

756
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: better spot with the portal or worse. I I personally

757
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: feel like if the coaches are on top of things,

758
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: which they weren't necessarily early on, and part of that

759
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: has to do with a lot of transition. Um, if

760
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: the coaches are on top of things, they can benefit

761
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: because so many people leave the West Coast to go

762
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: play in other conferences, they find out that they're not

763
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: all about that culture, or maybe they don't fit in,

764
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: or maybe they get homesick and they come back. They

765
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: come back to the West Coast, and so I think

766
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve can be a big time beneficiary from

767
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: the portal. I've always been, uh of the mindset that

768
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: that it actually benefits the Pack twelve um more than

769
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: it more than it hurts, so long as you're at

770
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: least recruiting good enough talent for those people to come

771
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: and play alongside UM when they when they get back,

772
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: and the PAC twelve has not been doing that. Uh.

773
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: The question that I have that everybody wants to hear

774
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: your comment on, George, is one of the results of

775
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: the portal is bo Nicks is going to Oregon and

776
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: you have been hating on bo Nicks for three years

777
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: now easier quarterbacks, So he's not necessary leave my quarterback yet, Buddy,

778
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: he's gotta win the job. He's gotta win the job.

779
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm just excited for the mental gymnastics that had. It's

780
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: not even an Olympic here, Yes, it is an Olympic year,

781
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics starting like three weeks, buddy, winter gymnastics.

782
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: For George to come around on bo Nex as the

783
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: Oregon quarterback. Yeah, so, man, look, if if he's good,

784
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: I will get I will jump on I will jump

785
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: on the bandwagon. If he's not, then you know he

786
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: will he will get Anthony Brown treatment. Um So, but

787
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: USC is gonna have a bunch of guys in the now.

788
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: They're in a situation to where with Caleb Williams, quarterback

789
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: from Utah hopping into portal, they have Jackson Dart. Their

790
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: fans are like, yes, Jackson Darts the guy, But in

791
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: their heart they really are like, oh, I don't know

792
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: for sure, he's got some promise, but I'm not an

793
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: hundred percent shirt right. So and and I saw a

794
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: pole tweeted out they said, oh should uh should USC

795
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: fans want Caleb Williams or Jackson Dart. I was like,

796
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: how is this even a question? How is this even

797
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: a question? Like Jackson Dart had some good moments, but

798
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: he also had some awful moments. So, but he's a

799
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: true freshman. But what would I take Caleb Williams or him?

800
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: It's not even close. Give me Caleb Williams. I've seen

801
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: what the guy can do. I agree with you. I

802
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: think that he showed that he's very dynamic. He already

803
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: knows Lincoln Riley's offense. And I think that you would

804
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: provide them a lot of excitement and a huge boost

805
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: right out of the gate. Um, what what what is

806
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: going on at U c l A is my question?

807
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: How did they get and then lose a quarterback to Oklahoma?

808
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: What is dtr S plans? Are we looking at the

809
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: Ethan Garber show? You know what what is going on there?

810
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything? John? Oh? Not yet? Uh, but

811
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: he's got eight ten days basically say, um, you know,

812
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: I think that what we're talking about right now and

813
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: the port, the whole thing about the trench reportal that's

814
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: to me that's a big issue is what is going

815
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: to be the state of Pact twelve quarterbacking on the

816
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: other side of this offseason turnover, right, especially with the

817
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: transfer portal, you know, because it's it's rare that a

818
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: kid's going to come in out of high school. But

819
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: what is the portal going to do for Pact twelve quarterbacks?

820
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: You know what? What what is that lineup of twelve

821
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: starters gonna look like next September one or whatever? It is? Right,

822
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: because it was bad this season. I just no, nobody

823
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: will convince me otherwise. It was substandard and it's got

824
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: to get better. Part of the reason was substandard. I

825
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: think his coach has made some bad decisions early on

826
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: that can't happen again. But they got to make the

827
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: right to say Asians with the transfers, and they've got

828
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: to manage their QB rooms. It's very difficult to manage

829
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: a QB room right now. Uh, you can't get caught

830
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: with nothing. So we'll see how that looks. But to me,

831
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: that's that's the biggest personnel issue in the entire conference.

832
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: Six months. Next biggest personnel issue, Yeah yeah, I mean

833
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: you you have Arizona who's got a quarterback problem. Arizona

834
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: State has a quarterback problem to be perfect and also

835
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: turned down Spencer Ratler. By the way, Yeah, um u

836
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: c l A if DTR doesn't come back, has a

837
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: quarterback problem? Uh usc could? I mean we don't know

838
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: what their status is. I mean because Dart is a

839
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: question mark as well, so they have questions. Cal who

840
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: in God's name who knows there? Um Washington, I mean

841
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: assuming that you have if Michael Pinnox junior starts, then

842
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: you're fine. Uh, Washington State seems to be I mean,

843
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: what what do you guys think of there? Atis with

844
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: with Jaden Delora because he he had a grades issue

845
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: last year. He he almost didn't he almost wasn't eligible,

846
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: almost got kicked out of school. Yeah, I mean I

847
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: think that if he's eligible, Washington State, Stanford and uh

848
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: uh Utah and Colorado or uh sorry, Utah and Oregon

849
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: State are probably in pretty good shape. But there's eight

850
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: schools you could make a case where there's some questions. Yeah,

851
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: and that's infuriating because a couple of those schools that

852
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: that have questions quote unquote, uh, we were talking about

853
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: being in really good shape going into this last year

854
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: and there isn't really a change at the quarterback position.

855
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: You know, the fact that Oregon State hasn't taken a

856
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: transfer and that they're not you know, blowing up Chubba

857
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: Party's phone right now, who's still one of the only

858
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: serviceable guys out there. Or J D. Johnson, who's coming

859
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: out of medical retirement, who was at Michigan. The fact

860
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: that Oregon State doesn't have some he brought in already

861
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: is wild. The fact that we we talked for two

862
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: years about you know, Jade Daniels, is he the future

863
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: of the conference. Not only is he not going to

864
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: the NFL early, he is returning to Arizona State with

865
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: half of the fan base completely moved on from even

866
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: wanting to see him take the field. And so it's infuriating.

867
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: And what's nice about the transfer portal is there some

868
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: ways that the PAC twelve is being helped. The Mountain

869
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: West seems to be a farm system right now. UM.

870
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: For for the PAC twelve, you have Hawaii's best linebacker

871
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: is committed to UM is committed to u c l A.

872
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: You might you might see a few other situations. Wyoming's

873
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: best receiver is is out on the market. UM. I

874
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: know utah uteps not in the Mountain West, but they

875
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: just sent a sent quote unquote a wide receiver to

876
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: UH to University of Arizona, who is going to be

877
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: a really really big time get for them in Jacob Cowing,

878
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: who with like four yards receiving last year. Um that

879
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: there are good things happening in the PAC twelve, I

880
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: just haven't seen the improvement of the quarterback position that

881
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: we need to see. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's puture right

882
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: now overall, because I mean just just the fact that

883
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: we can only think of Utah with camera rising and

884
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: who else has a stable quarterback situation that I think

885
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: Stanford does with McKee if he's helped. Oh yeah, he's good. Okay,

886
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: he's health He's not very mobile, but he could throw

887
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah. So so you have two stable situations

888
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: as you're you're making the assumption that Jaden Dolora is

889
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: off the field. Stuff could could come back to bite

890
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: him again. Otherwise he's going to kay he has quarterbacks

891
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: in Okay. So so so i'll give you three, three

892
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: out of twelve stable situations. I don't know, I think

893
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: Oregon State would argue they're pretty stable. I mean, no

894
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: one's was pretty good. Uh, the offense wasn't their problem, right,

895
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: So I think he has system, but yeah, he works

896
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: for their system. They could certainly do better, but you know,

897
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: relative to the other eight, I think they're in pretty

898
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: good shape. Yeah, which which isn't saying much, which is

899
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: what we've been saying. Um all right, um. Oh the

900
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: staff changes or non changes, so we we we've already

901
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 1: seen what's happened at Washington, UH, new head coach, new

902
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: head coach at UM, new head coach at USC, and

903
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. But I think the biggest staff changes, like

904
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: of not total new staffs that have come in this

905
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: year has been at Arizona. Arizona, I think it's upgraded

906
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: their their staff. Things seem to be going right for

907
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: Jet Jet Fish, while on the other hand, in the South, well,

908
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: I actually, first and quick quickly, what what do you

909
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: guys think about what Jed Fish has done with his staff?

910
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that losing John Brown

911
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: is an upgrade for them. I think that Defend simply

912
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: is where they need the most stability. Um. And I'm

913
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit worried that they're not going to

914
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: get that with you know, bringing in a U c

915
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: L A position coach who had been at USC to

916
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: run the defense. But maybe they do um. Other than that,

917
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of uh, I don't know.

918
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: It just feels it feels very much like what they've

919
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: been doing, and they're gonna have a big chick and

920
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: talent though. Uh they hit the port This is two

921
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: years in a row where what they've done in the

922
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: portal as genuinely wowed me. Yeah, but that's what the

923
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: portal is all about, right it can you can if

924
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: you've got playing time to offer, you can reload pretty quick. Yeah. Now,

925
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: now here are some teams that did some things in

926
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: the off season that I am truly concerned about. The

927
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: Colorado Buffalo's they had the their offense was do you

928
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: guys know where they were ranked in in the nation,

929
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: because they were obviously the worst, like first or second

930
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: worst in the fact, Well, uh, they were hundred one

931
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: and points per per game out of a hundred and thirty. Okay,

932
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: So and then he goes and hires Mike Sandford to be,

933
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: uh his new offensive coordinator, and and that that's what

934
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: Carl Darell did. He hired the guy who got fired

935
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: at Minnesota who is coach said ruined their ruined their offense,

936
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: and ruined their team on some level as well. And

937
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: who's been fired from his last couple of jobs, and

938
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: that's who he went to go higher. He interviewed Brettan

939
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: Maryon and other people and could have gotten him, and

940
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: that's who he hired Carl drell Is on his way

941
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: to getting fired. It was it was a huge bummer

942
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: to see the announcement. Colorado fans melt down and then

943
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: Brendan Rice into the portal. That was if you're a

944
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: Colorado fan that just had to take all of the

945
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: fun out of Minnesota. Didn't throw the ball. Colorado couldn't

946
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: throw the ball. Like what I don't understand? Like what

947
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: if I was called a world I would like listen, listen, Um,

948
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: I gotta fix this. I will go with young, innovate,

949
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: anybody innovative, anybody who can score points, a lot of them.

950
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: These are the people who are at the top of

951
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: my on my list. And this is no dis against

952
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: Mike Sanford as a person. But the results are the results.

953
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe J. T. Shroud is able to come

954
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: in there and and make Sandford look good. May maybe,

955
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: but it'll be with Montana Ammonious Craig as your number

956
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: one wide receiver instead of Brendan Rice. So I just, uh,

957
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: that really bummed me out. Um, not to mention everything

958
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: else that's going on, you know, or surrounding the A

959
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: Bolder program right now, with you know, their coaches losing

960
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: homes and and and then getting rid of some of

961
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: their staff that was more beloved, like their their line

962
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, who's one of their better positions every year. Yeah,

963
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: I think is one of the people who had his

964
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: house burned down by the way. Um, so rough week

965
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: for him. Um. But yeah, I just it is taken

966
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: all of the It feels like all the hope of

967
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: is already kind of fading fading away, um because they're

968
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: the fan base is so upset about this higher and

969
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: then they lose one of the most promising players in

970
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: the process. What do you think about the higher, John, Yeah,

971
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wait and see. I don't know that

972
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: the Minnesota was I think that some of the issues

973
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: there might have been difference in philosophy between p J.

974
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: Flack and Mike Stanford, and I'm kind of wait and

975
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: see as to whether it works at Colorado. I don't

976
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: necessarily think it won't work. I think that, uh, you know,

977
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: they if they run Sanford's offense, I think that'll be

978
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens there. Oh, let's see you

979
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: are you? You are very nice? Well, I just I

980
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: just don't know. I don't know, but I do know

981
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: that they were running p J flex offense in Minnesota. Okay, okay, okay,

982
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: So that's that is that is noted. It's possible. Yeah,

983
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: it's possible. It's a scapegoat situation. But you did have

984
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: a lot of Colorado fans that really excited the possibility

985
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: of Brendan Marion. People like us and people like Andrew

986
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: Hobner had hyped up that possibility of him and coming

987
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 1: back to the back twelve all year long. So there's

988
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: just some disappointment there. And then you look at Minnesota's

989
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: offense and they, you know, Arizona State had the worst

990
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: passing offense, you know, um that they've had in thirty years.

991
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: And you look at Minnesota's offense. They also threw twelve

992
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: touchdown passes this year. So it's it's one of those

993
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: things that we need the passing game for Colorado to

994
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: be functional, for them to be competitive, all right, now,

995
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: what what do you guys think about Stanford and Cal.

996
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: They're not making any moves so far, particularly Cal on

997
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: the offensive end and Stanford on the offensive and the

998
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: defensive end. In terms of coordinators. I don't I don't

999
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: know if there were any. Well, Stanford is never gonna

1000
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: do anything ever, it feels like. But as far as

1001
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: Cal goes, you know, they they've lost Charlie Regal, one

1002
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: of their best recruiters. UM. He's now the head coach

1003
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: via Hoo State. And I'm just I'm not sure what

1004
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: they they Those two schools seem to be so trust oriented. UM.

1005
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: And they've had some cows, had some transition at the

1006
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: coordinator position, um to try to get that fit in

1007
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: that chemistry, right, Um and uh and and they've lost

1008
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: some good position coaches along the way. But it feels

1009
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: like there are just things that are more important priorities

1010
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: to UM, to those two head coaches than than having

1011
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: somebody who is the most energetic recruiter of the most

1012
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: innovative mind. Um. It seems like they wanted to be

1013
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: familiar and familiar. John. Yeah, I think that there's a

1014
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: lot to be said at both schools that that they

1015
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: value continuity maybe more highly than other schools because you've

1016
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: got to deal with the academic component, which is different

1017
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: at the two places, um, and they both have a

1018
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: lot more trouble with the transfer portal because of that.

1019
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: David Shaw's belief has always been that that getting changing

1020
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: assistant coaches is just an excuse, UM, So I don't

1021
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: expect him to do that. Cal. You know, I think

1022
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: they may think that they've got the right scheme and

1023
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: the musk grade did okay, they just don't have the

1024
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: players right. I mean, if you look, I kind of

1025
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: look a look at points. I look at your yards

1026
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: per play kind of as as the best measure because

1027
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: it takes into account differences in in tempo, and Cal

1028
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: was you know, they were fine in yards per play

1029
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: this year, so they you know, I'm not positive. I

1030
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: I look at other schools and think that there was

1031
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: a much greater need to change coordinators than I do

1032
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: with COW. So we'll see how it plays out with

1033
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: with whoever is going to be their quarterback, whether it's

1034
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: Jack Plumber or you know, one of the guys that

1035
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: got on on the roster. Now I could see how

1036
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: CAL would look at like a baseball metaphor, like a

1037
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: guy that's hitting the ball hard, but he's just hitting

1038
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: it to the outfielders right like they were. They were

1039
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: doing a lot of the right things offensively, it just

1040
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: wasn't resulting in points. And so if they can clean

1041
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: a few things up, it's possible that you see a

1042
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: hugely from them next year. They were sixth in the

1043
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: conference in yards per play. So who were there? Who

1044
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: are the top teams in yards per play? Yards per play?

1045
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: Number one was Oregon State, but they were only twentieth nationally.

1046
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: Then Utah, uh, then we got Arizona State, Oregon, Arizona State,

1047
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: U C l A, and then UH, USC and Cal

1048
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: were basically tied. Not terrible. Yeah, alright. Final thing that

1049
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: we have up is uh is in the coaching is Oregon.

1050
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: Oregon has people have They've used the terms that the

1051
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: show cause All Stars because they have Josh Lapoy coming over,

1052
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of guys who have who and

1053
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: and granted you always have to take this with a

1054
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: super grain of salt because and especially I know this

1055
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: as an Oregon fan. Two, because they're like, oh, Oregon cheats,

1056
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: They're this, They're that there, you know, all the all

1057
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: of the nasty rumors that people put out and then

1058
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: and they called they have called them the show cause

1059
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: all Stars. But you don't have to worry about that

1060
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: anymore because because the n I l and all of

1061
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: this stuff. So do you like what Dan Landing? Well,

1062
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even ask you, do you like the Dan

1063
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: Landing higher? And what do you think is gonna be

1064
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: made of his staff that he's putting together so far,

1065
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: including Junior Adams from Washington. That one that that one

1066
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: made me sit up in my seat a little bit.

1067
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: That made me happy, did it? Well? He was always

1068
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: one of the guys you liked with her, right, Um.

1069
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: I was telling you on this show over and over

1070
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: and over again that I thought Dan Lanning would be

1071
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: a great candidate for them, and then it happened, like

1072
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm I hope that it I hope that it works out.

1073
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: He is somebody with a super inspirational story. His path

1074
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: to get where he got is pretty awesome. He's very young,

1075
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: so I think, and he doesn't really have like a

1076
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,479
Speaker 1: school that he's tied to in a way that Mario

1077
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: Cristo Baal did, So that checks that box for Oregon

1078
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: fans and some of the guys he brought on are

1079
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: guys I've known for a really long time. I cover

1080
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: high school football in Arizona. I've known Kenny Dillingham since

1081
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: he was Charlie Regel's offensive coordinator at Chaparral High School,

1082
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: like I've you know, this is uh So, it's interesting

1083
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: to see some of the guys that they're bringing in

1084
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of youth, a lot of energy, a lot

1085
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: of like a lot of the assistants they're bringing in

1086
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: are some very outwardly evangelical religious folk as well. Um So,

1087
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 1: it's always interesting to see how that sort of thing

1088
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: factors into Pact twelve culture because there are some parents

1089
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: who feel more comfortable sending their kids to play elsewhere

1090
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: because they think that, um the PAC twelve is just

1091
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: like one giant, godless liberal bastition of of hedonism, which

1092
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: is like a really weird thing that it factors into

1093
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: parents decision making, But it does. And so you know,

1094
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: he he's got some really good recruiters. He's got some

1095
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: people that that that can appeal to different sensibilities and

1096
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: and and culture, and there's a lot of youth and energy.

1097
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: It could end up being a really good thing, or

1098
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: you could end up with kind of more of the

1099
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: same as far as a lot of talent and maybe

1100
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily the coaching chops to uh to produce in

1101
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: the way that you wanted to. Yeah, uh kind of

1102
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: wait and see. Just you know, you just two years

1103
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: as a Power five coordinator and he's coaching. He's coaching

1104
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: a defense with eleven NFL draft picks, right, I mean,

1105
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: he's got better personnel than everybody he's going against other

1106
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: than Alabama. So I think it could end up working out. Well,

1107
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: we'll see. Do do Are you think that they will

1108
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: be able to recruit equal, less or better than Mario Cristobal.

1109
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: My guess is that he's going to have the same

1110
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: approach to recruiting the Cristo bal did. It would be

1111
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: that that would be my guest, So he will, do

1112
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't be surprised if they are super successful.

1113
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the n i L thing is

1114
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: necessarily the you know, the offset answer to the the

1115
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: what do they called the show cause All Stars? Right,

1116
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: we haven't seen exactly how n i L is going

1117
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: to impact recruiting, uh of high school kids, you know,

1118
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: at the real foundational Well, yeah, I think that's probably

1119
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: another year or two away. Yeah, well we'll yeah, we'll see.

1120
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just because I said that, I've said

1121
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: that the because there's a lot of people that throw

1122
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: that around. They're like, oh, kids are going to the

1123
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: highest bidder and all of this stuff, and I'm like,

1124
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit, But I think that the market

1125
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: corrects itself pretty quickly in in terms of if there

1126
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: is some of some of that, then you're gonna have

1127
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: like kids not paying out or not work out. And

1128
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: then and then people who who who actually put the

1129
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: dollars into the pockets are gonna say, ah, well, here's

1130
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: a better way for us to use our resources for

1131
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: our products and our businesses to get the get the

1132
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: name out, or however they want to structure deals. So

1133
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: I think that whatever the money aspect of it is

1134
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: going to get that, there's gonna be some sort of correction,

1135
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: and you know, and it will take to three years

1136
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: for or n I L to already settled down and

1137
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: really kind of find that sweet spot on where it's

1138
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna live, because there's no putting the toothpaste back into two.

1139
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: Kids were always going to the highest bidder. Though I'm

1140
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: not talking about bagman or anything like that. I'm talking

1141
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: about the fact that the top level kids were being

1142
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: told in their living rooms and on the phone and

1143
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: on their visits that I coach X am going to

1144
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: do the best job preparing you for a life of

1145
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: riches down the road, and you would commit to me

1146
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: because I was the best investment plan for your future,

1147
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: including financially. Now there's just a signing bonus. Now there's

1148
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: money up front. But I just to to think that

1149
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, kids are going to the highest bidder and

1150
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,799
Speaker 1: they weren't before. What do you think they're being told?

1151
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: But I will get you to the NFL means I

1152
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: will make sure your kids go to college. I will

1153
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: make sure your grandkids want for nothing. That is what

1154
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: these coaches are telling these kids. When they're saying I

1155
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: will get you to the NFL. It's not I will

1156
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: get you to playing because I know you're a huge

1157
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills fan. I'm gonna get you in a Bills

1158
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: Jersey someday. That's not what it means. It means I

1159
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: will get you to the league and set you up

1160
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: financially for success for the rest of your life. That's fair.

1161
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Um. But yeah, so the pac

1162
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: twelve has a lot to do and final final thing?

1163
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: Uh John did did either one of you guys get

1164
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: a chance to read the article? Um? I think it

1165
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: was in the l A Times where George George Klikoff

1166
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: his his comments about the season. I saw that. I

1167
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: talked to him too, uh, and he was pretty candid

1168
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: about it being a disappointing season. So I mean, at

1169
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: least he's admitting, you can't solve a problem till you

1170
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: admit you've got one, right, And he is clearly admitting

1171
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: that there's a problem. Yeah, and that's that they that Okay,

1172
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: So you you dealt with Larry Scott a lot, and

1173
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: you clearly you know. And I don't want to necessarily

1174
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: say anything bad about Larry. I mean I've said plenty

1175
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: of the bad things about him and how he has

1176
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: and how just how the contracts were structured for the

1177
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: TV rights and all this like their air tight like

1178
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: and and when when I got a chance to talk

1179
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: to George Clarkoff, he was very adamant, like, Yo, these

1180
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: these contracts were awfully written like that, they were so

1181
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 1: airtight that they gave the conference zero flexibility, Like everything

1182
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: was on the TV people's side. And and now he

1183
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: feels like a breath of fresh air as it relates

1184
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: to Larry Scott because it feels like he's more honest

1185
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: and real, give you a real assessment of the situation

1186
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: instead of what we saw from UH. From Larry Scott. No,

1187
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. There were and I had no

1188
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,480
Speaker 1: issues with Lears Scott personally, disagree with some of his policies.

1189
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: Personally is different than UH. And certainly the TV contract

1190
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: situation is not good. I mean, just look at the

1191
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: Big Tent. The Big Ten's current deal. UH was signed

1192
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: after the Pact Twelves current deal, and it pays more

1193
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: and it ends before the pat Twelves deal, and so

1194
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: they got into the market later, got more money, and

1195
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: they're getting out to renegotiate earlier. So do you think

1196
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: that there's any chance that the TV that there's new

1197
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: TV contracts before because I know that George George said

1198
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: he was trying to figure out any type of way

1199
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: to get that done. Very little chance. Because if you're there,

1200
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: if you're the networks, you're like, we got you for cheap,

1201
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: we got you about it, Jordan Curly, we don't we

1202
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: don't care what happens to you as a conference will

1203
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: figure it out well. And the other thing, you know,

1204
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: it's not the Pack twelve with its media rights, is

1205
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: not existing in a vacuum right because the networks, whether

1206
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: it's Fox or ESPN, Turner, CBS, you know, NBC, Comcast, Amazon, Right,

1207
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: they're dealing with how many billions were just shelled out

1208
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: for the NFL. They got to deal with the SEC

1209
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: is getting all this money from Disney, big tens. Media

1210
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: rights are coming up you UFC is coming up right.

1211
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a lot of money out there,

1212
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: but it's got to be the networks are managing it

1213
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: based on their priorities for a whole bunch of different

1214
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: sports leagues, not just the Pack twelve and a vacuum

1215
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: how important, No, go go going rough. I just I

1216
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: don't understand. If the PAC twelve owns the PAC twelve

1217
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: network and they own the rights to broadcast the game,

1218
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: and they understand the distribution of the PAC twelve network

1219
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: is terrible, why can't they Why can't they undo their

1220
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: own contracts? No? No, no, not even that. Why don't

1221
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: they have the ability to distribute some of that content

1222
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: for free? It will they hurt that? No? No, no, no,

1223
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,879
Speaker 1: they can't. I asked George clic Off, this they cannot

1224
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: he he said, I would have done this. He said

1225
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 1: they cannot because because ESPN and Fox have the rights

1226
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: to the uh the games. So so the PAC twelve

1227
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: can't even control which teams end up on on ESPN

1228
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: or Fight. They have no control over it the networks.

1229
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: But if there's a PAC twel if there's a game

1230
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: that's gonna be on PAC twelve network because it's on

1231
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: a Thursday night, they can't simulcast that on Facebook or

1232
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: Twitter or that is bonkers. How did they end up

1233
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: in this terrible because because Comcast won't let them. Comcast

1234
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: is the main disc trivite the pactual of network stuff, right,

1235
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: anything that's on the pactual of network, Comcast has an

1236
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: airtight contract dish uh Cox, all the four original distribution

1237
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: partners with the pactual of networks all rode into the contracts.

1238
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: They can't the pactual of cannot stream pactual of network

1239
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: content because then all of a sudden, comcasting you know,

1240
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: the women's basketball game between Stanford and Oregon State, it's

1241
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: on the pactual of network. If that gets streamed, Comcast

1242
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: and making money off that. It's just insane to me

1243
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: that there can't be some type of negotiation that's like, hey,

1244
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: we will we will stream this, but literally the only

1245
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: commercial that will run four straight times every single time

1246
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: is a commercial, because like that, there can't be some

1247
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: wiggle room. Well, there would be where we will promote

1248
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: Comcast with our contrast would say sure, but we want

1249
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: some money back. We're not going to pay you the

1250
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: distribution uh dollars if if it's also if that content

1251
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: is also getting made available for free by streaming, we're

1252
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: not going to pay you the same distribution dollars. So

1253
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the patrol of networks revenue

1254
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: model craters and they're even in worse ship to wait,

1255
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: a worse situation. Yeah, I just it is. I don't know.

1256
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: I I get mad when I think about I just

1257
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: always think back to when like COVID first started and

1258
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: Larry Scott gave an interview from his living room and

1259
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 1: he talked about how he had to share the space

1260
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: with his kids who were playing video games in there,

1261
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: and I just in my head, I was like, the

1262
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: guy can't even negotiate his own office space with his

1263
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 1: own children. The big problem, the streaming issue is one problem.

1264
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: The bigger problem is that it's a twelve year deal

1265
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: that didn't have a so called look in, meaning a

1266
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: window after say eight years, where they could tweet, make

1267
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: some tweaks, or renegotiate. It was locked in. Scott thought

1268
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: at the time that that was great because it would

1269
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: bring stability. We give them more stability than other leaks.

1270
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: But in fact it has caused them to have to

1271
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: they're basically paralyzed. Well, it didn't give any credence to

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Speaker 1: the future, you know what I mean, and that things

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Speaker 1: change in this era very quickly, like the fact that

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01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: there are so many cord cutters. I don't even have cable, dude,

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01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: and and there's nothing I missed. I watch every single

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: thing that I want to watch, nothing that that I

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Speaker 1: that I missed. And there's a lot of people that

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: are like like me. So the idea though, that that

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01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: these new contracts, I said, George, George Klikov is gonna

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01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: have to be a freaking magician that he is going

1281
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: to that we are going to find out how good

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01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: this dude is pretty quickly. Because CBS, I think the

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01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: PAC twelve has to get CBS. Firstly because because but

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: but c CBS maybe trying to bid bid for the

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Speaker 1: Big twelve. I'm sorry for the Big ten. Oh that's

1286
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: already that's already happening, And that's part of the Pactrol's

1287
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: problem is they're going to be late on the CBS, correct,

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01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: So so the CBS thing is an issue. And then

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01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: if you don't get CBS, where where do you go

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01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: that you can get in homes every single day? I mean,

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean every because the problem is they're

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01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 1: only in seventeen million homes right now with the Pack twelve,

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01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: the network and the Pack twelve suffers from an availability problem,

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01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: which then impacts recruiting and all of this stuff, which

1295
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: impacts your on field product. It's just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you don't get CBS, I don't know what the

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 1: what the other options are. And granted the TV landscape

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Speaker 1: could change dramatically in the next two years, but it's scary,

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: John scary. But to paraphrase, to paraphrase Larry Scott that

1300
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: we we don't know what we don't know yet, So

1301
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: maybe something will get invented. Packed games stream directly into

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: the chip that was part of your vaccine as part

1303
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: of a negotiation with Bill Gates. You know, but like

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: I just I look at it this way. It's really

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01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: nice that George Kleavkov is being forthright and saying the

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01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: things that people are thinking. It's like going to it.

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01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: You have stomach pain, You go to a doctor, he

1308
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: tells you it's all in your head. It's all on

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01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: your head. It's on your head. Go to a second

1310
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: doctor and he tells you know, you actually have a

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01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: stomach issue. That's great, but that second doctor is only

1312
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: a good doctor to you if he can treat it.

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: So we're in wait and see mode with with what

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Speaker 1: he'll be able to do as well. It is refreshing

1315
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: to have honesty. But the problem is still the problem

1316
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: less and we can and we can end in here

1317
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: at John And when the new TV network deal come

1318
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: comes up, will there still be twelve team the same

1319
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:53,560
Speaker 1: twelve teams in the PAC twelve? Yes, okay, you you

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01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: hurt it. He heard it here, he wrote it in stone.

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right if we completely believe that will

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01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: be the case. I do as well. Um, how about you, Ralph?

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Speaker 1: You mean even if Wyoming goes undefeated next year, wins

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01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: a national championship, I'm convinced every year that's gonna happen.

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01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: So if they, if they, if Wyoming wins and Natty

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01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: you think Back twelve would take them. We have to

1327
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: kick you off the Pope Podcast. You clearly have been

1328
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:26,879
Speaker 1: hanging out with Antonio Brown. What what what? Whatever you're smoking?

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Speaker 1: Don't pass it, buddy, don't pass it. Oh you guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm George Riser, He's Ralph Amton, He's John Willingers. This

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Speaker 1: is the PAC twelve apostles you guys. Peace out, Catch

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Speaker 1: you guys. Next episode.