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Speaker 2: of this guy. He is a I would say, a
Speaker 2: pioneer in the YouTube space, in the news space. One
Speaker 2: of my favorite channels for the last I don't know
Speaker 2: since I can remember Man the Young Turks. Jank Huger's here. Oh,
Speaker 2: thank you for coming.
Speaker 1: Man appreciated, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's crazy because I feel like, because I
Speaker 2: am like a old school like obviously I grew up
Speaker 2: a Democrat. I've always voted for Democrats my entire life,
Speaker 2: and the last like four to five years, I've felt like, like,
Speaker 2: what has happened to my party? Like what is going on?
Speaker 2: And it's longer than that. I guess I've been paying
Speaker 2: more attention and been more like fully engaged into what's
Speaker 2: going on the last four or five years, so it
Speaker 2: becomes a little bit more disenfranchising. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: what is going on with with with the quote unquote
Speaker 2: left and with the party as a whole man where
Speaker 2: you got guys like you and I who are just
Speaker 2: like Greeman and trying to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's been going on a long time. And
Speaker 1: this is actually chapter four my book, Justice Is Coming.
Speaker 1: What happened in the Democratic Party and so it actually
Speaker 1: started back in seventy eight. So and it was a
Speaker 1: gradual process until it become became almost nearly completely corrupted
Speaker 1: minus Bernie and his wing right. So Supreme Court legalized bribery.
Speaker 1: They said, the corporations are human beings. Money is speech,
Speaker 1: so they're just talking to politicians when they give them
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. And then mainstream media is harder corruption,
Speaker 1: and so they would go and be like oh yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: when you know, name a lobby big pharm or oil
Speaker 1: or the bankers or APAC gives like hundreds of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars to politicians, No, no, that doesn't influence them
Speaker 1: at all. They're honorable gentlemen.
Speaker 2: They just it's crazy how they give everybody the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt that they're no, no, no, of course it
Speaker 2: doesn't influence. It's like, if you gave that much money
Speaker 2: to anybody, you'd have an influence on them no matter
Speaker 2: what it is. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, so there's an old line about journalism that
Speaker 1: you're supposed to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable,
Speaker 1: right means you're supposed to take on power You're supposed
Speaker 1: to challenge power, right, but our media doesn't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: So they actually they do the reverse. They comfort the powerful. Right.
Speaker 1: So that's why when I mean, I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for twenty three years now, we're the oldest showing internet history.
Speaker 2: Can I remember when you and Alex Jones got into it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, real quick on that. It's fun. This is
Speaker 1: Jimmy Door was there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fun fact
Speaker 1: on that one. So that's the night of Trump's acceptance
Speaker 1: speech at the RNC in twenty sixteen, and Trump's speech
Speaker 1: was number two on Facebook. Number one was the fight
Speaker 1: Alex Jones and I got into. Okay, so we beat
Speaker 1: Trump's acceptance speech on that night. Anyways. Yeah, so I've
Speaker 1: been in every brawl there is, and that's part of
Speaker 1: why mainstream media doesn't like us. They're like, oh, that
Speaker 1: guy's not genteel. You know, that the son of a
Speaker 1: bitch taking hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes. That
Speaker 1: guy's a gentleman. That guy is a wonderful elitist. Right.
Speaker 1: But Jank with his twenty eight million subscribers and you know,
Speaker 1: like longest running show on the internet, populist dude, they
Speaker 1: hate me. Okay, Like, I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: in the XFL back in the day, he hate me,
Speaker 1: he hate me. Here you go.
Speaker 2: I looked for that jersey on eBay recently. I couldn't
Speaker 2: find it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you find it. You gotta let me buy it.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, this should be a sick like
Speaker 2: throwback to pull out, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. For me, it's they hate me. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So the Democratic leadership hates me, Republicans hate me, mainstream
Speaker 1: media hates me. The only people who don't hate me
Speaker 1: are real people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you mentioned the media. And I saw
Speaker 2: a clip this morning that enraged me a little because
Speaker 2: I saw Jake Tapper speaking about how Hunter Biden was
Speaker 2: the quasi chief of staff for his dad. And the
Speaker 2: way Jake Tapper talked about Hunter Biden in this clip
Speaker 2: was it was so disrespectful and it was so obvious
Speaker 2: all the things to anybody who like knew Hunter Biden
Speaker 2: and you know, didn't realize that we were being fed
Speaker 2: this conspiracy theory about his laptop and all that. But
Speaker 2: he was saying all this, he was like, this guy's
Speaker 2: a Essentially, he was saying, this guy's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: He started dating his brother's widow and got her hooked
Speaker 2: on crack. This is Jake Tapper saying all this on
Speaker 2: video this morning, and I'm in my head, I'm like,
Speaker 2: where was all of this in twenty twenty? Where was
Speaker 2: all this throughout Biden's entire uh, you know, four years.
Speaker 2: It just it's just the most disingenuous and now it's
Speaker 2: an opportunistic Oh he's got a book, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's all it's all horseshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Jake Tapper's book on how did the media
Speaker 1: miss Joe Biden's decline is like Oja writing a book
Speaker 1: about finding the real killer.
Speaker 2: It's insane?
Speaker 1: Are we killing?
Speaker 2: Rest of the American public didn't miss it, and anybody
Speaker 2: who was honest, who had eyes, who had ears, or
Speaker 2: who listened to what you guys are saying, or a
Speaker 2: lot of the guys on the right were saying, it's like,
Speaker 2: obviously he had mental decline.
Speaker 1: This is not this is crazy, like so keV I
Speaker 1: said it back in twenty twenty. Okay, so during the primaries,
Speaker 1: I said, look, this brother is way slower than he
Speaker 1: used to be, and he's got a couple of things
Speaker 1: here that are not just stutters or gas right, they're
Speaker 1: like problematic. Right, So what was the reaction in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Oh, you're just doing it for Bernie, your dirty
Speaker 1: political figure, blah blah blah blah blah. And who was
Speaker 1: the people who was Who are the guys who were
Speaker 1: throwing shade at me like that? Jake Tapper was in
Speaker 1: the lead, right, So I'll tell you more about Jake
Speaker 1: Tapper in saying Then we get to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I started a petition on young Turks. I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose to Trump. This guy, remember,
Speaker 1: doesn't have a brain left, right, If we run him,
Speaker 1: a candidate requires a brain, a functioning brain, We're gonna lose.
Speaker 1: We're gonna lose. They're like, and this is what drives
Speaker 1: me crazy about establishing democrats and mainstream media. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you're for Trump. I'm like, I know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to lose to Trump, and this guy's obviously gonna lose.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, so you love Trump.
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, it says if people's I like the
Speaker 2: idea of two things being true at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's just not possible to a lot of these people.
Speaker 2: It's not basically such binary thinking because I was I mean,
Speaker 2: I was not a I mean, I voted for Biden
Speaker 2: the first go around, I did not vote. I sat
Speaker 2: out the last election. I voted for for the Green
Speaker 2: Party because I just in good conscience couldn't vote for
Speaker 2: anybody who was a part of the funding of a genocide.
Speaker 2: But that being said, shout to Jill Stein, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: with that being said, though, it is interesting because when
Speaker 2: you're when you say certain things and you're critical of
Speaker 2: you know, if in twenty twenty three you were saying that,
Speaker 2: it's like, well you must be maga, and it's like
Speaker 2: or neither of these parties really represents the true working class.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you were able to sit with
Speaker 2: the Bernie Flagrant interview at all with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did. I loved it.
Speaker 2: It's really good. Yeah, and it was it was it
Speaker 2: was I feel like they had conversations that It's funny
Speaker 2: because on Blue Sky or Threads they're tearing it down.
Speaker 2: They're like, Bernie's a sellout, and I'm just like and
Speaker 2: then on the on on Twitter, it's kind of the opposite.
Speaker 2: You know, they're using it as like an opportunistic way
Speaker 2: to like say, the Democrats are and they are the
Speaker 2: Democrats are fucked. But uh, it's just been funny to
Speaker 2: watch like people who are otherwise rational, sound thinking human
Speaker 2: beings not be able to have rational conversations about this
Speaker 2: one thing. And it's like, hey, two things can be
Speaker 2: true at the same time. This is how being an
Speaker 2: adult works one hundred percent. I've been saying that on
Speaker 2: the show NonStop. My co host yesterday I Want to
Speaker 2: our podcast Old School, said, God, you keep saying two
Speaker 2: things can be true at the same time all the
Speaker 2: time because I got to get it through to people's heads.
Speaker 1: So let me connect a bunch of things we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Right, So I say to folks, look, we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose with this guy. His brain's leaking out of
Speaker 1: his ear. Okay, let's pick the strongest candidate against Trump, right,
Speaker 1: And they're like, so you're pro Trump. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, You're.
Speaker 2: Like, do you not hear what I get?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, they don't. I'm like, now, I say to
Speaker 1: my left wing critics, I think they got a problem
Speaker 1: with the English language. I don't know, maybe it's a schooling,
Speaker 1: Like I just did it today. I'm like, you know, democrats,
Speaker 1: I had a tweet about democrats. The Biden supporters screwed
Speaker 1: over Democratic voters more than they screwed over anyone else.
Speaker 1: Because if you're a maga guy, you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: love that you ran this guy for ninety percent of
Speaker 1: the campaign and then didn't have a competitive primary and
Speaker 1: then handed it off to miss word salad like they're thrilled.
Speaker 2: I loved it. They were like, yeah, they don't want
Speaker 2: to have a primary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to this maga thing. And first guy
Speaker 1: that runs into me, he's like, oh, thank god they
Speaker 1: didn't listen to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, so or thank god you know, I mean, I
Speaker 2: know you ran like as a performative way to try
Speaker 2: to force the democratic partment, but thank god you weren't
Speaker 2: able to truly run because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously because you weren't born here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so look, so that's a long story. You
Speaker 1: can run, but I was a protest candidate. You're totally right,
Speaker 1: because of course the media is not gonna take you seriously.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, oh, I do the car. He's
Speaker 1: not even an elitist. You know. Sometimes I tell him.
Speaker 1: You know, I went to two Ivy League schools and
Speaker 1: their reaction every time is like, what the fuck? Really,
Speaker 1: no way, no way. But you talk like a normal person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: goddamn right I do. And you guys sound like pricks,
Speaker 1: which brings us back to Jake Tapper. Okay, so that
Speaker 1: guy is the first one to look down his nose
Speaker 1: at you. His nose is like a double black diamond.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just looking down it the whole time,
Speaker 1: like h and he did it with Biden's age. He
Speaker 1: was like, oh, who's cow? Can you say he's incognitive?
Speaker 3: To god, you have no evidence that there's a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Joe goes next segment, Joe's on air going that
Speaker 1: macare gun corn pop right, and you're like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: He just said his uncle was eaten by cannibals. He
Speaker 1: literally said that, right. So and so, now Taber turns
Speaker 1: around It's and says, oh, I knew it all along,
Speaker 1: and I'm the guy who discovered it. No you're not, No,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 2: He's full of shit.
Speaker 1: He's one hundred percent full of shit. And you know
Speaker 1: what ken he say is interesting. They hate the populace
Speaker 1: left the mainstream media does an establishment this way more
Speaker 1: than they hate the populace right or MAGA, Okay, because
Speaker 1: like theoretically they got it out against MAGA, and they
Speaker 1: do in some ways for sure, right, but they at
Speaker 1: least listen to MAGA, Like I gotta go on a
Speaker 1: right wing show to get hurt on mainstream media because.
Speaker 2: Left wing shows are I won't you on you? No,
Speaker 2: if you have an audience. It's not like they have
Speaker 2: a lot of nobodies on CNN respectful, yeah that release
Speaker 2: books they don't sell like.
Speaker 1: But so think about it. Why is We're literally the
Speaker 1: largest network on the left, right, twenty eight million subscribers,
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of views a month, right, and I'm
Speaker 1: banned on CIA and MSNBC and Fox News. That's wild?
Speaker 1: So why why am I the most dangerous man in America?
Speaker 1: Like what did I do to make it to become
Speaker 1: this dangerous? Right? So they'll have any mega guy on right,
Speaker 1: they'll be guy frawling at the mouth and he's like, oh, Michelle,
Speaker 1: Obama's a man.
Speaker 2: They have the pillow guy on yeah, had the pillow guy.
Speaker 1: Right, Jimmy Kimmel. But when it comes to someone who
Speaker 1: actually wants to change the system. They're like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: They're like antenna goes up. They're like intruder, intruder, intruder.
Speaker 1: We have someone who actually means it, right, So, which
Speaker 1: brings us back to what happened in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: What happened was they got taken over by corporate donors.
Speaker 1: So now, like, here, I give you an example of policy,
Speaker 1: paid family leave holes at eighty four percent, eighty four
Speaker 1: percent of the country wants it. What does mainstream media say,
Speaker 1: Joe Manchin's against the Joe Manchin is a moderate. Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders is for it.
Speaker 2: He's a rat.
Speaker 1: Right, So how could eighty four percent of the country
Speaker 1: be radical and sixteen percent be moderate? Right? Right? The
Speaker 1: only way you can keep that kind of mythology up,
Speaker 1: that kind of bullshit up, is if you don't ever
Speaker 1: let any of us on air, right, right. And so
Speaker 1: then they kiss the ass of all of the moderate Democrats, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, are radicals, corporatis and suck at politics. Right.
Speaker 1: And what did they say against Bernie in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty, Oh, he can't win, he can't win.
Speaker 1: But we know, we know Hillary Clinton's definitely gonna win.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's the best Democrat to run against Trump in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. My ass, there's nothing but wall to
Speaker 1: wall lies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting because when we think of like
Speaker 2: you said, like I guess, it's gatekeeping at the highest level,
Speaker 2: where if you're if you get We were just talking
Speaker 2: about this earlier today about how it's a class thing.
Speaker 2: This is all class, right, It's it's they would like
Speaker 2: to throw the LGBTQ football down the field to get
Speaker 2: everybody to look at it while they're fucking you over
Speaker 2: on your healthcare, on your medicine, on any anything, of
Speaker 2: being able to buy a house, all of these things,
Speaker 2: while we're arguing about whether or not a translady can swim.
Speaker 2: And again I don't agree with that, but it's it's
Speaker 2: it doesn't affect enough of the population for it to
Speaker 2: be a major talking point on all these networks. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: black rocks making it damn near impossible because they're buying
Speaker 2: up so much residential real estate and you know, fucking
Speaker 2: the middle class out of whatever the American dream is,
Speaker 2: whatever's left of it, to be honest.
Speaker 1: So let me tell you why they do the cultural
Speaker 1: war stuff. Okay, because it's a perfect way to divide us. So, like,
Speaker 1: and what happens is the radical rights starts it. They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we hate gay people, and like in two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: that works right, right, But by the time they get
Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen, that doesn't work anymore. Right, so they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: fuck it, we hate trans people, right. Yeah, So now
Speaker 1: that doesn't work too well either. Then they try trans bathrooms.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work. Trans military doesn't work. Then they finally
Speaker 1: find something on the outer, outer outer edges of trans
Speaker 1: women in professional sports, right, And so then the radica
Speaker 1: left jumps in and they're like, yeah, that's the most
Speaker 1: important issue.
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Like and if you're not, if you don't agree with
Speaker 1: us on that, you're a nazi, right, or a transphobe
Speaker 1: or transfhobe, or you're like hateful, And I'm like no,
Speaker 1: And by the way, you morons, you're gonna walk trans
Speaker 1: rights backwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 1: And what happened now we lost military and we're on
Speaker 1: the verge of losing the bathrooms, right, and these poor
Speaker 1: folks have to get you know, ridiculed as set are
Speaker 1: going into a bathroom don't do that to people. Right.
Speaker 2: In fact, it was so harped on and dived into
Speaker 2: on the left and it was it became this thing.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously living here in California, it's it's counterproductive
Speaker 2: to like trans people who are just trying to live
Speaker 2: like a normal life, yes, yes, because they kind of
Speaker 2: get characterized and turned into like these these cartoons of
Speaker 2: like what's wrong with America? And it's like, yeah, what
Speaker 2: if I just want to pick up a coffee and
Speaker 2: take a piss, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: and get a normal gig, like you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: it is crazy.
Speaker 1: So but there's one line first of all on regular
Speaker 1: trans folks, one hundred percent right. We had did a
Speaker 1: get together for TYT in Chicago last week. Yeah, uh
Speaker 1: the trans woman drove with her uh A partner from
Speaker 1: northern Michigan to Chicago just to say I got your back. Look,
Speaker 1: I've been watching Young Tours for fifteen years. You've been
Speaker 1: fighting for us the entire time, and these folks don't
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, right, And like, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, we started just democrats, We started aoc
Speaker 1: et cetera. It's not like we don't know politics. Right,
Speaker 1: So when I tell you that you're gonna walk up
Speaker 1: backwards and it's and it's going to cost you rights,
Speaker 1: can you please trust that for a second instead of
Speaker 1: being so arrogant. But it isn't just about arrogance. So look,
Speaker 1: the radicals on both sides do it partly for the algorithm, Right,
Speaker 1: the algorithm.
Speaker 2: Loves extreme good for business, oh good, great for business,
Speaker 2: good for politics, it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it allows them to say, on both sides, right,
Speaker 1: I'm the pure one. You should watch me, you should
Speaker 1: listen to me, you should subscribe to me. Everyone who
Speaker 1: doesn't agree with me is impure and he's not as
Speaker 1: good as me. Right, So it serves their purposes. It's
Speaker 1: enormously egotistical, but it costs us our rights. But the
Speaker 1: most important part, keV is the establishment loves the culture wars.
Speaker 1: So the minute the radical right and the radical left
Speaker 1: get into it, like.
Speaker 2: Yes, good for ratings, Yeah, it's good for ratings, it's
Speaker 2: good for distraction. Why they loved Trump?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh of course they love their circus.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't think that they were as
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like mainstream media was as complicit
Speaker 2: as getting him elected because he really not to spend
Speaker 2: any money on advertising. He just turned on TV all
Speaker 2: day and they was talking about Trump.
Speaker 1: And so meanwhile, black rocks rob upline. Meanwhile, you know,
Speaker 1: every kind of dirty corporate trick is being played everything. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: nobody's even talking about what was the one major bill
Speaker 1: that Trump passed in this first term. It was giant
Speaker 1: tax us for the rich, right, and he took corporate
Speaker 1: taxes from thirty five to twenty one, which then transfers
Speaker 1: all those that tax burden onto us. Right, so the
Speaker 1: middle class now has to pay for all those corporate
Speaker 1: taxes that we don't have anymore. Meanwhile, nobody even talked
Speaker 1: about it. All they talked about was, oh, Trump says
Speaker 1: something mean, and then the left is angry about what he's.
Speaker 2: Trump tweet today. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting. I want to talk to about
Speaker 2: Trump because this last election was it was interesting because
Speaker 2: I feel like there was actual there was like actually
Speaker 2: a real primary part process on the on the right
Speaker 2: this time. Well, I mean, he didn't participate in any
Speaker 2: of the debates or anything, as opposed to what the
Speaker 2: Democrats did, where they just kind of you know, Lally
Speaker 2: gagged us into word salad lady. But Trump it seemed
Speaker 2: to me as so many people became so disenfranchised with
Speaker 2: the Biden administration, some of the gas lighting gaza. I mean,
Speaker 2: we can go on and on and on. There was
Speaker 2: a lot to not be happy about, where there was
Speaker 2: this weird ven diagram of people who might have voted
Speaker 2: for Bernie Sanders in twenty sixteen twenty twenty but then
Speaker 2: ended up talking themselves into Trump being the better choice.
Speaker 2: Not to say they're right or wrong as they're voted,
Speaker 2: is what it is. What would you attribute that to?
Speaker 2: I know that you as always you would you always
Speaker 2: say that there's there is a populous side of the
Speaker 2: maga folks that kind of align on a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff that the popular side of the left should align on.
Speaker 2: What would you kind of attribute the ven diagram matching
Speaker 2: up a little bit there between those two voting sides
Speaker 2: that you would perceive to be so different.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I remember in twenty six I'd be doing
Speaker 1: videos about Bernie on the street or whatever, right.
Speaker 2: Yea, I was fucking living in Tampa, Florida, volunteering for
Speaker 2: Bernie's campaign out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and whenever I people recognize me in the street,
Speaker 1: whether I was shooting video or they just recognized me
Speaker 1: from the show, and they were Republicans. Almost every time
Speaker 1: they would say, you know, how to vote for Bernie.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd vote for Bernie. Right. Why why is
Speaker 1: the Trump guy voting for Bernie when they're on the
Speaker 1: opposite ends of the political spectrum. Right, It's because they're
Speaker 1: both anti establishment. The only reason Trump won his number
Speaker 1: one calling card, they'd line you, they say, oh, no,
Speaker 1: the number one reason he won me is because the
Speaker 1: country's racist and sexist than fascist and all that stuff. Right,
Speaker 1: we'll get back to that in a second. But no,
Speaker 1: that's not the number one reason. The number one reason
Speaker 1: is he's anti establishment. Now is he really? Not? Really,
Speaker 1: he's a fake populist, right, but at least he's savvy
Speaker 1: enough to know to fake it, right. So that's why
Speaker 1: the Bernie people are anti establishment and the Trump people are
Speaker 1: in the establishment. And that's why. So for example, they're
Speaker 1: anti war, right, So Maga's anti war, were anti war right. Now,
Speaker 1: when I tell the left, you know, when I say
Speaker 1: radical left, it's actually not necessarily always the far left.
Speaker 1: The moderates have gotten radicalized. Those are like the Biden zombies,
Speaker 1: who are like, Biden is the greatest candidate. There is
Speaker 1: no other Democrat that could be Trump, right, And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like both sides are leaking out like he's pulling a
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani and he's got almost no brain left. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: Biden is the greatst you cannot rate as Biden right, right,
Speaker 1: So those guys have become now the most radical right.
Speaker 1: And so when you're saying, hey, guys, the right wing maga,
Speaker 1: they're not lying. They're all saying they're anti war, like
Speaker 1: some of them might be lying, and some of them
Speaker 1: and Trump might be lying. And if Trump does start
Speaker 1: a war, some of them might back him, but a
Speaker 1: huge percentage of them will not back him, and they
Speaker 1: don't they actually don't want war. Marjorie Taylor Green comes
Speaker 1: on the Young Turks.
Speaker 2: I saw that great conversation. I'm whether or not. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously she's a kook, but there is things. There's middle
Speaker 2: ground with anybody exactly, so why not have those discussions.
Speaker 1: Right, So we bring her on and she says, if
Speaker 1: Trump goes a war with Iran, I'm out. I'm out
Speaker 1: on Trump.
Speaker 2: What a crazy thing for Marjorie Green Taylor to stay
Speaker 2: on camera.
Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? She said no money to Israel, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, awesome, awesome, Right, yeah, and you're right, all
Speaker 1: of our other opinions we don't have to agree with.
Speaker 1: We can fight her tooth and nail on the other stuff. Right,
Speaker 1: but take yes for an answer, especially when the magabass
Speaker 1: is screaming to Trump, who's in power, don't go to war. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now when you tell the radical left, which are
Speaker 1: actually mostly moderates these days, the former moderates, They're like, no,
Speaker 1: they are all in a cult. We are not in
Speaker 1: a cult. They are in a cult. They will never
Speaker 1: disagree with Trump. And I'm like, look, Tucker Carlson two
Speaker 1: day saying Trump is wrong, right, Trump wrong to not
Speaker 1: release the Epstein files, wrong to back Israel.
Speaker 2: A lot of the free speech stuff. I've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of the pundits on the right say, we don't
Speaker 2: bat this is this is this is against America, Like you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, Joe Rogan is on there. Now Rogan's
Speaker 1: more in the middle and more then he leans right.
Speaker 1: He obviously backed Trumpere, but he backed Bernie. Why does
Speaker 1: and why did Rogan go from Bernie to Trump Because
Speaker 1: he's anti establishment, because he's an independent populist right and
Speaker 1: they and they keep pushing rogans of the world to
Speaker 1: the right.
Speaker 2: And also the establishment. I mean, they did Brogan dirty
Speaker 2: with the COVID shit, Like they really threw all of
Speaker 2: the whole sink and the whole fucking caboose trying to
Speaker 2: get him the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: So here here's my take on that. Give so number one? Uh,
Speaker 1: do I agree with Rogan on ivermectin? No? Okay? Number two?
Speaker 1: So the fuck? What? So? The fuck? What? Okay? Number three? Oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's just information and it could hurt people. Well, then, brother,
Speaker 1: you put out the correct information, and that's how it works. Well,
Speaker 1: if you try to cancel him or you're trying to
Speaker 1: shut down his to the other voices, it's only gonna
Speaker 1: make it worse. It's not like the disinformation or misinformation
Speaker 1: isn't gonna get out. It's gonna get out more, not less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with COVID, just to put a dot
Speaker 2: on the eye there, it's it's almost like you you
Speaker 2: asked an entire population to blindly trust the most corrupt
Speaker 2: industry there might be the pharmaceutical pharmaceutical industry and just
Speaker 2: take their word for it. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: when you start mandating, that's the thing, is the man
Speaker 2: the mandating. When people start losing their jobs, that's when
Speaker 2: people are like, well wait a minute, hold on, this
Speaker 2: is my But you know, I think that's when things
Speaker 2: get a little obviously. I think, you know, intent was
Speaker 2: I don't think the intent was ever like for a
Speaker 2: lot of these people was bad. I don't think people
Speaker 2: like on CNN thought that they were you know, I
Speaker 2: think they had good intent.
Speaker 1: No, No, I that on COVID. It's a complicated issue.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's super complicated. So I don't want to get too
Speaker 2: much into it, but wild times would live through. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's interesting because you know, you're seeing the
Speaker 2: cracks in I wouldn't say the cracks, but you're seeing
Speaker 2: the evolution and a lot of the pundits on the right,
Speaker 2: whether it's Candace Owens or like you said, Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys who we think we should
Speaker 2: hate as liberals. But then you'll see them say stuff
Speaker 2: and you'll be like about, maybe it's Israel, maybe it's
Speaker 2: some of the free speech stuff or the war stuff,
Speaker 2: and you're like, I mean I kind of agree with
Speaker 2: I agree with them on a lot of a few
Speaker 2: of these things pretty strongly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's again a million things I disagree with
Speaker 1: Candas about. And when she gets into like a Jewish
Speaker 1: cabal in America, I hate.
Speaker 2: That stuff, Yeah, because it takes away from like what's
Speaker 2: actually happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not true, it's not right, and it takes
Speaker 1: away the focus from Israel, which is a foreign government's.
Speaker 2: A government entity that is a foreign government that is
Speaker 2: obviously you know, again, it has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: Jewish people as a whole. It's a government. And that's
Speaker 2: the other thing is it's like, but that takes us
Speaker 2: back to what we're talking about. Trans writes the way
Speaker 2: that the Trump administration is carrying the water for a
Speaker 2: foreign government and removing free speech in a way that
Speaker 2: is unprecedented. It hurts the cause of Jewish people, and
Speaker 2: it increases some of these stereotypes and tropes, and it
Speaker 2: increases anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So let me connect to all those
Speaker 1: So on the other hand, Candice yesterday or two days ago,
Speaker 1: does this speech about how you know what we were
Speaker 1: lied to about Muslims, Like all my life in American media,
Speaker 1: I got this propaganda the Muslims are dirty savages and
Speaker 1: violent and stuff. Meanwhile, we've been attacking them, Israel's been
Speaker 1: attacking them. We've been like they're the.
Speaker 2: Most punished population of my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent is not even close.
Speaker 2: I'm not even close.
Speaker 1: Right, And for even Candace won't own us to wake
Speaker 1: up who said terrible things about Muslims before, for her
Speaker 1: to wake up and go, holy shit, we lied to Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just normal human beings. What the fuck were we
Speaker 1: doing this to them? For? Right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So that's like a that's now the political spectrum is
Speaker 1: getting jumped.
Speaker 2: It's so jumbled, right, it's crazy. Yeah, the right is
Speaker 2: so divided it's wild. Because I feel like Ben Shapiro's cooked.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody gives it like I think he's
Speaker 2: He's done.
Speaker 1: So so that gets to like such an interesting moment
Speaker 1: in history right now, right, because you're right, the right
Speaker 1: wing is splintering like crazy, like Tucker's in a war
Speaker 1: with Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro, etcetera. Dave Smiths on Tucker's.
Speaker 2: Side, Love Dave Smith.
Speaker 1: Okay, so again, I got big disagreements with davon social
Speaker 1: trinity and other issues. But he's honest, and he's smart,
Speaker 1: and he's and and he's principled. Right, so he So
Speaker 1: we we got a major civil war going on in
Speaker 1: the right wing. Come back to israelcause it's such an
Speaker 1: important topic. But in the middle of that civil war,
Speaker 1: we got the radical left going nope, they're all occult,
Speaker 1: they all think the same thing, and they all back
Speaker 1: each other. I'm like, do you you know we're back
Speaker 1: to Joe Biden's young and dynamic, right, you got you
Speaker 1: don't have eyes, you don't have ears. You don't see
Speaker 1: them fighting right now, where Tucker's saying Mark Levin's a
Speaker 1: piece of crap, and Mark Levin is saying that Tucker's
Speaker 1: a piece of crap, et cetera. Ben Shapiro's totally losing
Speaker 1: his audience, right, Oh yeah, yeah, because because now what's
Speaker 1: happened on the right is they're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: they're waking up like kind of candae Soans, etcetera. Are
Speaker 1: waking up and going, wait, I thought it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be America first. Why is it Israel first? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why is it. I think Mark Levinny tweeted neo khn
Speaker 2: is just another word for Jew And I'm like, what
Speaker 2: what what?
Speaker 1: John Bolton, Dick Cheney, George Bush, none of them were Jewish.
Speaker 2: It's insane. Hillary Clinton not a Jew? No, Like, what
Speaker 2: are we talking about? So, you know the biggest warhawks
Speaker 2: of all time put him in the rafters. You're not Jewish?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's happening is that they're a one
Speaker 1: trick pony. The israel first Crown is a one trick pony,
Speaker 1: and time anybody opposes Israel, they're like anti Sami, aunti Sami.
Speaker 1: So now that it's played out, they cried wolf too
Speaker 1: many times, like in the middle of slaughtering over fifty
Speaker 1: thousand people and starving two million people to death, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: if you point that out, you're an anti semi. Now
Speaker 1: right wing, left wing, middle wing are all like deuces, motherfuckers, deuces.
Speaker 2: It's bad.
Speaker 1: Like, no, I'm not interested in your bullshit charges of
Speaker 1: anti Semitism. If you got real anti semitism, we're against it.
Speaker 1: We're one hundred percent against it. This isn't about religion,
Speaker 1: this is about a foreign government. Right, But if you're
Speaker 1: telling me that Apak hasn't bought Congress when they were
Speaker 1: the number one spenders of money, when they spent hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars on our crooks, the corrupt politicians.
Speaker 1: And you tell me, no, ignore your eyes and ears.
Speaker 1: No where this country isn't Israel first, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
Speaker 1: Our politicians are such crooks and it's not about Israel,
Speaker 1: and it's it's money in polity. Like you were saying,
Speaker 1: Big Pharma the dirtiest industry there is. We're not allowed
Speaker 1: to negotiate drug prices. What the fuck kind of capitalism
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: They say you're you're capitalists, and you say, no, you're
Speaker 1: on everything, but this, no, you're not allowed to have competition.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to have competition.
Speaker 2: What capitalism is?
Speaker 1: Yes, capitalism is right? So and why does big Pharma
Speaker 1: get away with that? Because they bribed all the politicians
Speaker 1: and the politicians work for them like goddamn dogs. Right.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty crazy. It's like interesting too because then
Speaker 2: they take like a word like socialists. I mean, this
Speaker 2: was like the big thing they made that, like the
Speaker 2: big S word in terms of Bernie and it's like
Speaker 2: most people will write Bernie Sanders off at least that
Speaker 2: I would talk to in the last ten years, just
Speaker 2: based off of no, but he's a socialist, Like have
Speaker 2: you ever heard this guy fucking talk? Like like it's
Speaker 2: it's it's almost like, you know, we're talking about the
Speaker 2: big beautiful bill, uh and you know some of the
Speaker 2: increases spending on certain things where you're like, okay, in theory,
Speaker 2: the idea of doge. Initially, I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: sounds like a good idea that everyone should be excited
Speaker 2: for somebody going in and exposing wasteful spending save in theory,
Speaker 2: that should be a bipartisan thing that everyone should have
Speaker 2: got behind. I think it was a ruse, and I
Speaker 2: think Elon Musk and the way he carried himself was
Speaker 2: like a fucking dick, So it was hard for anybody
Speaker 2: to support him. But all these cuts that they supposedly made,
Speaker 2: which was an inflated bullshit number anyway, but ends up
Speaker 2: getting added on to the defense budget anyway. So it's
Speaker 2: like you increase the defense budget by two hundred billion
Speaker 2: dollars or something, you get it over a trillion dollars now,
Speaker 2: But then you tout that Doge saved I think one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty billion dollars. But it doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: if that money's just getting put over here, it's like
Speaker 2: where where like like you know where they're talking about
Speaker 2: the five thousand oar dose checks. I was like, that's
Speaker 2: something people will be excited about. That shit's never going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: No, it was all bullshit, no way, because that goes
Speaker 1: to the average guy. There's no way to share that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So look here's what happened with DOTCH. So they come in,
Speaker 1: they said, we're going to do cuts and stuff. I
Speaker 1: knew it was bullshit from day one, to be honest.
Speaker 1: And so why because I've seen the Republican trick a
Speaker 1: thousand times. Right, Oh, we're going to do big cuts,
Speaker 1: so don't worry about it. When we do a multi
Speaker 1: trillion dollar tax cut for the rich, it'll get paid.
Speaker 2: For on the ball over here. And you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: but they're cutting spending. But meanwhile, the boring bill, the
Speaker 2: you know do was just sexy. You got a face
Speaker 2: for it, you got a mascot. People are paying attention
Speaker 2: to it while they're trying to fuck you in on
Speaker 2: the back end. It's it's insane.
Speaker 1: So then I put out a tweet. I didn't think
Speaker 1: anything was going to happen of it, but I tagged
Speaker 1: you Loan and I said I remember, yeah, I say yeah.
Speaker 1: I said, look, if you want to cut the Pentagon,
Speaker 1: I'll cut it in half. You know you want to
Speaker 1: cut two trillion, I'll cut twenty percent of it for you,
Speaker 1: overnight four hundred billion from because that's the number they
Speaker 1: can't account for.
Speaker 2: They can't that's the real money. That's where did it go.
Speaker 1: With no idea. Now, if you don't know where four
Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars went, you're not getting the four hundred billion.
Speaker 1: That's our money. That's our money. If you tell me, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for all your fucking money, where'd it come?
Speaker 1: I don't know my pocket? Fuck off? No, no, they
Speaker 1: give me the money back. Right. So then Elon goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, tell me how, and Don Julior jumps in.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, good idea. Right, And so again my
Speaker 1: friends on the radical left are like.
Speaker 3: You're working with Elon Musk. Can you trust him one
Speaker 3: hundred percent? You're I'm like, guys, I didn't say he's
Speaker 3: gonna do it. I said, if you want to do it,
Speaker 3: I will do it for you. Right, But I know
Speaker 3: he's not gonna do it. So they get on the
Speaker 3: record and they say, oh, yeah, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: And what do they do. They added one hundred billion
Speaker 3: to the Pentagon. They didn't take one dollar away.
Speaker 1: Right, and guess what they're spending They might spend a
Speaker 1: couple hundred billion dollars on now, they might spend.
Speaker 2: It on the Golden Dome.
Speaker 1: Golden Dome. And the person who might get that the
Speaker 1: company that might get that contract is SpaceX, owned by
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. So what happened to the There ain't no cuts.
Speaker 1: So then you go to the one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: billion of supposed cuts. Now, a lot of it isn't real.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is like cutting cancer research, malaria,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But give the whole thing to them, okay.
Speaker 2: So or you know, even if you get took them
Speaker 2: at the word, and yeah, take them at their word
Speaker 2: and say, all right, man, good job, guys cut one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty billion dollars, okay, And let's say they
Speaker 2: were all good cuts.
Speaker 1: Okay, The tax cut is five and a half trillion.
Speaker 1: If you take away the one hundred and forty billion,
Speaker 1: you still have five point four trillion.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So what difference does it make, right, right, And he'said, oh,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. The tasks are going to pay
Speaker 1: for the tax cuts. The gold cart is going to
Speaker 1: pay for the tax cuts. This all of that is
Speaker 1: tricks so that when you get to the five trillion
Speaker 1: in tax cuts, you go, oh, no, it's okay, it's
Speaker 1: paid for already. Just give everything to the rich, Give
Speaker 1: everything to the rich, give it another giant corporate tax
Speaker 1: cuts from twenty one to fifteen percent. While you're pretending
Speaker 1: to be populous.
Speaker 2: And you're supposed to be trying to fix our debt.
Speaker 2: And I think this bill increased spending by I forget
Speaker 2: the number, but I think it's like it's a lot.
Speaker 2: But I think I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's like we are kind of dealt with two shit
Speaker 2: deck of cards in terms of the Republican Party and
Speaker 2: the establishment Democrat Party, because I think the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: is the most corrupt organization in politics, because they've been
Speaker 2: proven to actually conspire against one of their people. Bernie, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's a proven fact. You know, I think
Speaker 2: they got found guilty, but the judge was like it's
Speaker 2: a private club or some shit like that.
Speaker 1: They use that same argument against me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's like where do we go from here? I know,
Speaker 2: you have your pack that you're putting together, but it
Speaker 2: feels like we're underwater with no chance of not drowning
Speaker 2: either way you look, because either way you look, there's oligarchs,
Speaker 2: there's billionaires. There's there's nothing left for the middle class.
Speaker 2: There's no real option left for normal people. For if
Speaker 2: I have to go and get surgery, and I got
Speaker 2: to not to get the surgery because if I get
Speaker 2: the surgery, I'm gonna be fucked and I gotta go
Speaker 2: out of work, and there's just no like, there's no
Speaker 2: options left. It feels like anybody on the left that
Speaker 2: has a brain or that has a spine, I'll say they,
Speaker 2: I mean they get they. I mean they're pretty much
Speaker 2: the guys on the outside of the fence, like trying
Speaker 2: to play and they're looking over the fence like, hey,
Speaker 2: what about us. And then on the right you got
Speaker 2: a guy like Thomas Massey, who's you know, I disagree
Speaker 2: with a lot of stuff with Thomas massy but has
Speaker 2: a spine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's right. Send Trump today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna primary him and try to get him
Speaker 2: the fuck out.
Speaker 1: No, no, don't.
Speaker 2: I think they will lose because I think his constituents
Speaker 2: appreciate what he's doing. But where how do we get
Speaker 2: through this and try to change have a real I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say the word revolution, but like have a real
Speaker 2: flip on this, flipping the system on its head because
Speaker 2: it's set up for everyone to just I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: there was that World Economic Forum quote from about a
Speaker 2: decade ago where they said you'll own nothing and be happy.
Speaker 2: And it feels like we're all just we're all just
Speaker 2: going to be you know, cattle in the ranch soon enough.
Speaker 2: And you know, the American dream's gone, man, you know,
Speaker 2: especially here in California. We're fucked here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good news. I have the answer. Okay, So here's
Speaker 1: one thing that American people have not tried. So what
Speaker 1: do we try. We tried to establishing Republicans like George
Speaker 1: Bush and Dick Cheney hated it, right. We tried establishing
Speaker 1: Democrats like Joe Biden did like it right. Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: et cided and I think he's fair to say hated it. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah right. So then we tried the populist right. That's
Speaker 1: Trump at least he's pretending to be populist, right, So
Speaker 1: and soon American people are going to realize hein populist.
Speaker 1: He's just an guy who gave record amount of the
Speaker 1: rich and he did it last time, he'll do it
Speaker 1: this time. Okay. So the one thing they haven't tried
Speaker 1: is populous left. That's the Bernie camp right, Bernie twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: No culture wars, right, So just pure economic populism. Give
Speaker 1: things to the American people, not to the rich, not
Speaker 1: the corporation. So I start a rebellion impack along with
Speaker 1: a couple of co founders, and uh, we're pushing the
Speaker 1: populist plank. Okay, so what's the populist plank? To your point?
Speaker 1: Number one, don't allow private equity to buy residential homes
Speaker 1: because these bankers are coming in and they're buying all
Speaker 1: the homes. Why Because it's the biggest wealth creation asset
Speaker 1: in America. That's how we got to the greatest middle
Speaker 1: class the world has ever seen because our homes. Our
Speaker 1: homes went up in value, right, and that created huge
Speaker 1: wealth for us. The bankers, the private equity guys. They
Speaker 1: see that and they're like, why would we let this
Speaker 1: Our servants have that. No, no, no, no, we're going to
Speaker 1: get all that wealth creation. We're going to turn them
Speaker 1: into renters and then they'll have to work for Corporate
Speaker 1: America for the rest of their lives. They're going to
Speaker 1: be indentured servants. We can stop that. So if you
Speaker 1: stop that, you bring it that wealth back to the
Speaker 1: middle class, and you stop housing prices from going through
Speaker 1: the roof. Right, So that's proposal number one. Proposal number
Speaker 1: two is negotiate drug prices at Medicare, can bring it
Speaker 1: back capitalists, right. Proposal number three.
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like a socialist idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Bernie calls the democratic socialism, which I think
Speaker 1: is a bad idea. Yeah. Yeah, you know what, I
Speaker 1: call it democratic capitalism because it's democracy checking capitalism. You
Speaker 1: need both. You need capitalism and you need democracy.
Speaker 2: I like that's a much better name to roll with.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if democracy doesn't check capitalism, then it turns
Speaker 1: into corporatism. And corporism is the opposite of capitalism. Giant
Speaker 1: corporations hate competition. They're the forget the socialists and the communists.
Speaker 1: The people who really want to kill capitalism are corporations
Speaker 1: for sure, because corporations don't want any competition.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why all their labors, you know, in fucking
Speaker 2: China and India and Vietnam.
Speaker 1: Exactly, everyone's want. Politicians talk about like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we're expecting these American corporations to be patriotic.
Speaker 2: Good, yeah, because that happened zero fucking times exactly. Go
Speaker 2: to fucking Detroit and tell me how that worked out.
Speaker 1: Besides, which, corporations aren't people. They're not humans. They don't
Speaker 1: feel patriotism.
Speaker 2: Their job is to increase profits, period. Dot.
Speaker 1: People are talking about, oh, what if AI takes over
Speaker 1: the machines take over too late. They already did. They're
Speaker 1: called corporations. Corporations already took over. They already zombie fined
Speaker 1: the Democratic establishment and the Republican establishment. They already turned
Speaker 1: them into zombies. So you take that away, paid family.
Speaker 1: Give the moms twelve weeks off after they have a baby.
Speaker 1: I go on Patrick B. David's show, right wing show.
Speaker 1: They do a poll. Seventy five percent of his right
Speaker 1: wing audience schools. Yeah, fuck yeah, of course, give them
Speaker 1: moms twelve weeks off. We want them to have babies, right, Well,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't we give them? Every country on earth has
Speaker 1: paid family leave, but America, even though we're the richest.
Speaker 1: Why because we live under corporate rule and corporations are
Speaker 1: crushing us. So if and no wars, money out of politics,
Speaker 1: and higher wages. So these are all democratic policies, right,
Speaker 1: They're all super popular. They pull it sixty five to
Speaker 1: ninety five percent, right, So why wouldn't you run on
Speaker 1: your most popular policies.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's almost like it's not about winning as
Speaker 2: much as it's about keeping things more the way they are.
Speaker 2: So they would rather have Donald Trump win because they
Speaker 2: know he's a rich fuck and they kind of know
Speaker 2: he's got some guys around him that won't let him
Speaker 2: get too crazy. Then turn the party over to what
Speaker 2: the actual American people want, because all these motherfuckers are
Speaker 2: owned by their donors. They're all full of shit. Like,
Speaker 2: no disrespect to Corey Booker. I appreciated him doing his
Speaker 2: you know is uh you know, how was he twenty
Speaker 2: eight hours or something?
Speaker 1: He was doing his I think twenty five or something,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Yeah, the theatrics.
Speaker 2: It was theatrical, It was not it was it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: like all these guys are full of shit.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know what Cory Booker did yesterday. He
Speaker 1: voted to confirm uh, Jared Kushner's dad to an ambassador position.
Speaker 1: And Jared Kushner's dad isn't just Jared Kushner's that who knows.
Speaker 2: He's a guy who got he gotta, he gotta he.
Speaker 1: Didn't he get he got convicted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got convicted, and then Trump gave m a
Speaker 2: what's it called pardon?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a white collar criminal, right, like.
Speaker 2: Quite literally, why would you vote to confirm him? What
Speaker 2: are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Because he's from New Jersey and he has a lot of.
Speaker 2: Cash, so hey maybe yeah. And that's the thing is like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if the answer is AOC in the future,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's definitely. It feels like speaking of
Speaker 2: people with no spines, no true beliefs, and power hungery.
Speaker 2: It feels like Gavin Newsom is really like I think,
Speaker 2: no matter what, he's throwing his hat in the ring.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah of course. So let me let
Speaker 1: me try to give you some hope. So I'll tell
Speaker 1: you about some of our candids, and then I'll tell
Speaker 1: you the guy that me and Charlie or obsessed with. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: so number one our candy. So we got Rocanna. That's
Speaker 1: hardcore Bernie economic team. Right. Then you got Richard Ojetta
Speaker 1: in North Carolina nine and so Ojetta is a twenty
Speaker 1: four year veteran and his brother ran in West Virginia
Speaker 1: because he went his parents lived in West Virginia at
Speaker 1: the time. So anyways, he's he was in a district
Speaker 1: that favored Republicans by fifty four points. He took the lead.
Speaker 1: Trump had to go down in West Virginia to make
Speaker 1: sure Ojetta didn't win. You know how he did it.
Speaker 1: He ran ads against Trump and Nancy Pelosi. Wow, okay.
Speaker 1: So and they're like, well, you can't do that, you're
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party. He's like, watch me, motherfuckers, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do ads, calling out whoever I need to
Speaker 1: call out to deliver for the people in this district.
Speaker 1: Right and so he and then he did an ad
Speaker 1: against drug companies at the time, back in like twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen or whatever that was. That never happened, Like you
Speaker 1: don't do ads against donors, you're crazy against Democratic donors,
Speaker 1: no way, and he did it. So he won up
Speaker 1: closing thirty one points like never seen before. Now he
Speaker 1: is in a district that's about ten points in favor
Speaker 1: of the Republicans, is a red district, so the mainstream
Speaker 1: media is like, oh, he'll never win. All right, watch us,
Speaker 1: watch us, let's see what happens. Right then you got
Speaker 1: Randy Brice came out yesterday. He's known as iron Stash.
Speaker 1: He's an iron worker. He ran against Paul Ryan before,
Speaker 1: and I'm calling him lead pipe and blowtorch. Okay. These
Speaker 1: guys are serious populists. And what they're saying is if
Speaker 1: we get into Congress and we we're going to propose
Speaker 1: these bills, and if the Democratic Republican Party or the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party says no, no paid family leave, our donors
Speaker 1: are against it, We're not gonna take it. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh well, Nancy Pelosi said it. It's okay, No, no,
Speaker 1: You're going to vote on these bills, and I want
Speaker 1: to see how you vote, and if you vote against
Speaker 1: Democratic voters and the country, we're gonna come for you. Okay.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's called a rebellion. They joined the rebellion.
Speaker 1: They don't take any corporate pack money and they come
Speaker 1: in hitting hard.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're a rebellion pack, is it. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: essentially grassroots, grassroots.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was one of the co founders of
Speaker 1: Just Democrats, Right, So that's AOC and the rest of them,
Speaker 1: and so it later they wound up going into too
Speaker 1: much culture wars, and that's we split, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 1: But in the beginning, when we first started it same
Speaker 1: idea of economic populism, et cetera. And I remember I
Speaker 1: talked to a bunch of reporters. I said, how many
Speaker 1: Justice Democrats you think we're gonna get elected? And they're
Speaker 1: like zero. But maybe you get lucky somewhere and you
Speaker 1: get one, right, But there's no way it's more than one.
Speaker 1: Got up to eleven? Right. Wow. If I told them
Speaker 1: last pullout says AOC is the face of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: If I told them back in twenty eighteen, not only
Speaker 1: will this bartender from New York pull off one of the.
Speaker 2: Great face of the party.
Speaker 1: And yeah, not only will she pull off one of
Speaker 1: the greatest political upsets in American history, but she would
Speaker 1: go on to become the face of the party.
Speaker 4: They would be like, you guys are great, you outsider, populous.
Speaker 4: There's no way that's gonna happen. You have no chance.
Speaker 4: And okay, all right, let's see. So this time we're
Speaker 4: gonna do it again. We're gonna do it again.
Speaker 1: And when we went in those red districts, then we're
Speaker 1: gonna go in twenty twenty eight and go Now, they
Speaker 1: told you they knew how to win, and they gave
Speaker 1: you Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. Okay, full
Speaker 1: of shit.
Speaker 2: And it is in this time they just it's like
Speaker 2: when they were doing like this last I mean, man,
Speaker 2: when I tell you, I watched all four days of
Speaker 2: the DNC hoping to be inspired, hoping to be convinced,
Speaker 2: and ah man, it was rough. With that being said,
Speaker 2: it's like the Democratic Party thinks so little of their
Speaker 2: voters that they think rolling out Beyonce Megan, the stuff,
Speaker 2: whoever it is, is just enough to be like fuck yeah,
Speaker 2: the funniest like CARTI b supporting Kamala fuck everything else.
Speaker 2: I'm in, Like what the It's almost like the Republicans,
Speaker 2: the celebrities they roll out are so washed and detrimental
Speaker 2: to their cause. It doesn't matter because it's not about
Speaker 2: the celebrities, Like who gives a fuck? Who hault Cogan's
Speaker 2: fucking endorsing It's a joke, but it's like the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, Like Republicans are always like, oh, liberal
Speaker 1: Hollywood guys, we don't care. And then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got ted Nugents on our side. Ted Nugent, the
Speaker 1: guy craped his pants to get out of Vietnam. That's
Speaker 1: the guy you're proud of. Anyways. But the best line,
Speaker 1: with the most hilarious line after the election was Joe
Speaker 1: Reid on MSNBC when she's like, Kamala Harris ran a
Speaker 1: perfect campaign. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, First of all,
Speaker 1: perfect she lost. Secondly, she lost a popular vote, which
Speaker 1: seemed nearer impossible. Third of all, she lost every swing state,
Speaker 1: all of them, all of them. And but in the
Speaker 1: warped reality of MSNBC, she said she ran a perfect campaign.
Speaker 1: She even got Queen Latifa to endorse her, and Queen
Speaker 1: Latifa normally doesn't endorse anyone. I'm like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Who gives his shit? Are you insane?
Speaker 1: Who cares? A queen Latifa endorser, And how did that
Speaker 1: helping Wisconsin?
Speaker 2: How should help parading List Cheney around or sending fucking
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton to Michigan to talk down to fucking Muslim
Speaker 2: voters whose families are probably being fucking slaughtered in the
Speaker 2: Middle East. But you're gonna send this confirmed creep, you know,
Speaker 2: to go talk down to these It's like, no shit,
Speaker 2: you lost Michigan, you fucking idiots.
Speaker 1: And think about that. So, both Biden and Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: knew that the issue of Gaza was probably gonna cost
Speaker 1: some Michigan. That's what the polling indicated, right, And so
Speaker 1: in Michigan they had to have. Without Michigan, they couldn't win, right,
Speaker 1: And they chose to go with Apak instead of the voters,
Speaker 1: even though they thought it might cost them the election.
Speaker 1: That's how much.
Speaker 2: How much they have their claws into the political system
Speaker 2: as an organization, as a foreign organization that should be designated.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the fact that willing to lose.
Speaker 2: That tells you all they knew. It's almost like it,
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, they would rather lose then change
Speaker 2: the system. Period.
Speaker 1: There's pretty much.
Speaker 2: Money on the line. It doesn't matter who dies, It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, None of it matters as long as the
Speaker 2: system stays in place.
Speaker 1: So now, to be, that's a perfect lead into why
Speaker 1: they fear the populace left in the Bernie movement more
Speaker 1: than a Trump or anything else. Why because if they
Speaker 1: lose to Trump, everybody still keeps their job, right, So
Speaker 1: like in the Democratic Party, there's no big shake up.
Speaker 2: No, there's never a shakeup, right, there's no.
Speaker 1: Shakeup at all. Right, And if Biden stayed in the race,
Speaker 1: even if he lost, his advisors are still in power,
Speaker 1: and they're still attached to the candidate, and they gives
Speaker 1: them leverage, power, money, fame, status. Right, So they think,
Speaker 1: from my perspective, who cares if Biden loses as long
Speaker 1: as Biden's the candidate, I'm still in charge. Who cares
Speaker 1: if the Democrats lose as long as you know, Bernie
Speaker 1: doesn't win, as long as I still have my job.
Speaker 2: Right, the establishment wing is is the face of it.
Speaker 2: I'm not going, Chuck Schuber's not going anywhere, you know.
Speaker 1: But if Bernie wins, or this next time around, the
Speaker 1: next Bernie wins, you know what happens. All those guys
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party lose their jobs, yep, so they
Speaker 1: get replaced by populous, they get replaced by our guys.
Speaker 1: So that's why they hate us way more than they
Speaker 1: hate Republicans. That's why losing the Republicans is no big deal,
Speaker 1: but losing an internal fight in the Democratic Party is everything.
Speaker 1: That's why when Bernie ran, they're like, oh, Bernie bros.
Speaker 1: You're all sexist and racist. Right.
Speaker 2: He did a great, great job of articulating on that
Speaker 2: interview he just did. But do you think there's a
Speaker 2: world in which if we can identify that most of
Speaker 2: the fringe issues in this country aren't that important, Okay,
Speaker 2: whether it's any of the identity stuff, any of the
Speaker 2: low hanging fruit, divisive bullshit. If you can say to yourself, okay,
Speaker 2: I see eye to eye with let's call it the
Speaker 2: populist right, because there is that exists, right, that there
Speaker 2: are people on the right who are America first, and
Speaker 2: I want poor people to have healthcare and don't want
Speaker 2: to go to war. Is there a world in which
Speaker 2: in our lifetime, because I think the hill entire issue
Speaker 2: with this, this entire thing is just is is the
Speaker 2: fact that there's only two options, right at least that's
Speaker 2: the perception You're able to figure out a way to
Speaker 2: bring together two factions of the country to just agree
Speaker 2: on the big shits and create something new. So like
Speaker 2: if you could get Thomas Massey and Bernie Sanders and
Speaker 2: aoc in a room or you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: who else is on the right that's not fucking you know,
Speaker 2: cuckoo for Cocoa plus Tucker Carlson, whatever it is, and
Speaker 2: everyone's just sitting in a room having a just open
Speaker 2: an idea, like, hey, look, we already know on this
Speaker 2: wall this is We're never gonna agree on all this shit.
Speaker 2: But all this shit really doesn't matter. What really matters
Speaker 2: is healthcare, keeping the American dream alive, all these things
Speaker 2: that you that all pull well with everybody. But I
Speaker 2: just feel like it's like the division the labels is
Speaker 2: what will at least and you know, it was what
Speaker 2: has prevented anybody breaking out of that show. I mean,
Speaker 2: the Bernie thing is like, you know, man, dude, twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 1: He had it, dude, yeah he did.
Speaker 2: And then South Carolina happens. Joe Biden, when South Carolina
Speaker 2: the fucking call comes in. I don't know if it's Obama.
Speaker 2: Everybody drops everybody drops out uniformly, and they back the
Speaker 2: old fuck and Bernie's fucking cooked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me let me give you a pathway
Speaker 1: to your dream. Okay. So we run within the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party in twenty twenty eight, So who's we We don't
Speaker 1: know who the candidate is going to be yet, right,
Speaker 1: So there's plenty of good folks like I love ro Kanna,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's him, but it could be other people.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's other plenty of great folks.
Speaker 2: But then there's there Yeah, there might be people we
Speaker 2: even heard of yet, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the guy that charloam Mane and I are
Speaker 1: obsessed with is John Stewart, right.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, John Stuart. Would this is listen the
Speaker 2: fact you say his name. Me and my co host James.
Speaker 2: All we do is talk politics every fucking day. This
Speaker 2: is like our life. We just talk politics and we
Speaker 2: are If John Stewart ran, it would be there's no question.
Speaker 2: This guy's got the fucking track record. He's fought for
Speaker 2: fucking FDNY five.
Speaker 1: Oh so he he got a bill passed what he
Speaker 1: wasn't even in Congress, right, yes, he did. He's honest,
Speaker 1: he's smart, he's strong. I can't call him anti semitic,
Speaker 1: can't call by the way that used to drive people crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like, you guys, do realize Burry's Andrews jewish guy,
Speaker 2: also Dave Smith a Jew.
Speaker 1: But yeah no, and I said in twenty twenty, why
Speaker 1: so they'll get so desk, they'll called Bernie anti semitic.
Speaker 1: And they did, of course, because of course that's it's
Speaker 1: a one trick boning, right. So if John runs in
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party or whoever it is, right, whoever's got
Speaker 1: a head of momentum, right, and so head of steam.
Speaker 1: And so they get to a point where the establishment
Speaker 1: starts fighting them, and the establisher's gonna do one of
Speaker 1: two things. They're either gonna let that person keep running
Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary and they're gonna be fair, in
Speaker 1: which case that person's going to win and take over
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, right if they or they're gonna say
Speaker 1: same old tricks like in twenty sixteen. The way that
Speaker 1: they cheated was they took money from the state parties
Speaker 1: and funneled to.
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton's dncs, the most corrupt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now if the DNC pulls those tricks again, what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen next is that person let's just say that
Speaker 1: it's John. Then John's gonna go Hey, you know what, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm a giant celebrity and I was gonna win this thing.
Speaker 1: And we have the polling and it's clear that I
Speaker 1: was gonna win it, and you guys are cheating. So
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna do. Now We're gonna run
Speaker 1: as an independence See how you like them? Okay, So
Speaker 1: now I don't want to go independent, and because that's
Speaker 1: very hard and you have to raise a lot of money,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But you've got to put the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: in a position. You got to put the question to them,
Speaker 1: are you going to be fair or aren't you? Is
Speaker 1: this a real party or is this your corporate bullshit party? Okay,
Speaker 1: so if it's a real party, then our candidate's gonna win.
Speaker 2: I think that's the that is the problem is not
Speaker 2: at least it's been like even with the you know,
Speaker 2: whether or not you like RFK somebody he had some
Speaker 2: good ideas. You know, I think they changed the rules
Speaker 2: on him so much where he was like, I have
Speaker 2: no shot here, guys, I gotta go independent. And then
Speaker 2: he had to align with Trump, and you know RFK
Speaker 2: is a wild guy, you know, so, but no, no
Speaker 2: another I think that's the issue. Is the DNC as
Speaker 2: a as a entity. I don't know if it's possible.
Speaker 2: That's why it's just like unless the pelosis get you know, out,
Speaker 2: and Chuck Schumer gets primary by IOC, hopefully she primaries
Speaker 2: in New York City or in New York in the state.
Speaker 2: I just that's the uphill battle that I don't see
Speaker 2: the light at the end of the tunnel because the
Speaker 2: DNC is so fucked.
Speaker 1: But I but you see why it makes sense to
Speaker 1: put them to the test first.
Speaker 2: You have to. But I feel like they were put
Speaker 2: to the test. No Bernie, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: But Ken Martin, who's the current head of the d NC,
Speaker 1: is more of a Bernie guy. So it's not impossible,
Speaker 1: So don't give up on him. Yet they're like, let's
Speaker 1: try populous left, let's try it right, Let's try it
Speaker 1: within the Democratic Party. Let's go and win these primaries
Speaker 1: in these general elections in twenty twenty six, Let's take
Speaker 1: Congress back so Trump can't do crazy shit, right, and
Speaker 1: then let's run in twenty eight and let's pick an
Speaker 1: awesome candidate and let's give them what we got. And
Speaker 1: if the Democratic Party goes no, we're now officially the
Speaker 1: corporate party and we don't want anybody, no matter how
Speaker 1: popular they are. Okay, then they're going to force us
Speaker 1: to form a third party. But I don't want to.
Speaker 1: And so, by the way, mainstream media will later find
Speaker 1: this interview like two years for a round and like
Speaker 1: you see, Yuga was planning a third party all along.
Speaker 1: He's a heretic, he is he was against the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: We only got a few minutes up, so I want
Speaker 2: to get two things out the way real quick. Trump.
Speaker 2: You were very optimistic that, hey, let's give this guy
Speaker 2: a chance. Obviously he's shown that this second go round
Speaker 2: is a little bit more authoritarian, a lot of bit
Speaker 2: more authoritarian. The last time, it seemed to this as
Speaker 2: if he had a decent week in terms of anti
Speaker 2: war stuff and breaking with bb a bit. But then
Speaker 2: it kind of felt like it was performative because he
Speaker 2: was parading around the Middle East. What are the Can
Speaker 2: you give me one thing that you have liked about
Speaker 2: the Trump presidency. I know it's hard to say that,
Speaker 2: but is there anything that you know.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's easy. So but but let me
Speaker 1: correct one that you said. So, No, I was dead
Speaker 1: set against Trump and.
Speaker 2: No I know, I know, but you were. You were
Speaker 2: at least very like I say. You know what I
Speaker 2: liked about you is you were like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: like just not talk to people because of who they supported. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is where I think our country got sucked up.
Speaker 2: I kept talking to my cousin for two years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't do that. So look two things about that.
Speaker 1: Number One, after you got elected, I was like, look, guys,
Speaker 1: it's okay to be angry at Trump and his lackey's right,
Speaker 1: but don't get angry at his voters, right, Like, and
Speaker 1: his voters are not one dude, They're a giant range, sure,
Speaker 1: from like crazy QAnon dude to a guy who was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, prices are too high?
Speaker 2: Right, what do you and a lot of people.
Speaker 1: That was it, Yeah, that was it. Right. So, and
Speaker 1: for the guy who was worried about inflation, if you
Speaker 1: call him a racist and a Nazi, he's never gonna
Speaker 1: vote for you again, ever again, right, So shut up,
Speaker 1: shut up, you win back those voters. You don't insult them, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't mind you hating Trump, just don't hate
Speaker 1: his voters, right, right. That's point one. Point two is look,
Speaker 1: we've got to find our wins wherever we can find them,
Speaker 1: because this is a long four years, super long, man.
Speaker 2: I mean some of the stuff with the free speech
Speaker 2: shit and the due process and you know, some of
Speaker 2: these it's it's just I don't't even watch TV anymore, man.
Speaker 1: And something that again the rad lives don't understand is that, no,
Speaker 1: we're in the populous woods now. And that's what I'm celebrating,
Speaker 1: right because in the old days, you got talking points
Speaker 1: from Fox News or MSNBC, and everybody was robots. They
Speaker 1: would just repeat those talking points and you couldn't break
Speaker 1: through to them. Right right Now that you've got shows
Speaker 1: the right, left, and in the middle that all have
Speaker 1: different opinions, it's forcing people to use their minds. Now
Speaker 1: we're in the ballgame. Now, we're in the ballgame. So
Speaker 1: then you can go to a populist right or to
Speaker 1: independence and go, hey, you hated inflation, right, but tariffs
Speaker 1: are going to create inflation. You hate war, right, but
Speaker 1: why is Trump paying for Israel's wars? Right? And you
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They're going, yeah, you're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. And as they're saying you're right, I got
Speaker 1: the rat libs going, don't talk to them. We should
Speaker 1: just be in the game by ourselves, Like if we
Speaker 1: should call them Nazis, God damn it. Stop doing damage.
Speaker 1: Stop doing damage. You could bring these people in there.
Speaker 1: So look, so on Trump, what's he doing? Right? So
Speaker 1: he's terrible on constitutional issues, he's terrible. The tariffs were
Speaker 1: outrageously high, et cetera. But Nanya who ordered him to
Speaker 1: attack Iran? And he said no. So if you can't
Speaker 1: give him credit for that, there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 1: If all of a sudden you're up, you think you're
Speaker 1: on the left and you're like, well Trump doesn't want
Speaker 1: war with the wrong, then maybe we should go to
Speaker 1: war with Iran.
Speaker 2: No, then you're a Then you're just like the cult
Speaker 2: members that you're you're a cult member.
Speaker 1: You're blue mega Yeah. And so now look a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't say that. They don't say like, oh,
Speaker 1: then I do want war with Iran. But what they'll
Speaker 1: say is no, I don't trust Trump and I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but nobody asked you to trust them, right,
Speaker 1: we asked you to give him for the thing he
Speaker 1: did today, right, so that you encourage him and his
Speaker 1: magabase and the independence to keep going. That.
Speaker 2: I think his ego is so fragile that he hears
Speaker 2: the noise. And I actually think his son probably be
Speaker 2: feeding him shit, Like I feel like his son is
Speaker 2: super like dad Bbie's dog walking you. And I think
Speaker 2: his ego, I think Don Junior probably says that kind
Speaker 2: of shit to his dad because he's so plugged into
Speaker 2: the Twitter matrix and sees what the bass is saying.
Speaker 2: And I think Trump's ego is so fucked that it's
Speaker 2: not about the genocide our troops. It's about I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna let this fucking god fucking yes, yes, come to
Speaker 2: the White House and home.
Speaker 1: Me so so like the the rat libs will be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, you just think Trump's a good guy in
Speaker 1: your naive Like I don't think Trump's a good guy
Speaker 1: at all at all, horrible guy, right. No. What I
Speaker 1: think is he cares about ratings, he cares about the
Speaker 1: stock market, he cares about his popularity, right, and of
Speaker 1: course most of all cares about money. Right. So now
Speaker 1: I want that genocide to stop, and I want us
Speaker 1: to stop funding Israel. And I want us and not
Speaker 1: just for the Palestinians, but we're not helping Israel when
Speaker 1: we fund them, We're enabling their worst instincts and then
Speaker 1: they're getting hated by the whole world. So it's not
Speaker 1: helping Israel either. So I want him to stop funding Israel,
Speaker 1: and I don't want him to go war with arm
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do? Okay? So number one, if
Speaker 1: I see Katar and all those guys bribing Trump to
Speaker 1: do the Arab plan instead of the Israeli plan, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm against corruption, and I'll call it out because I'm honest.
Speaker 1: But okay, so all right, take the ship. Let's see
Speaker 1: what take.
Speaker 2: Take the fucking jet.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: If it means kids stop dying, take the fucking jet.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, so, but but I'm still honest and I
Speaker 1: call it out. Obviously your corruption, right, all right? But yo, okay,
Speaker 1: concouraging that direction most importantly now, if he sees he's
Speaker 1: losing his base, he's obsessed with his base like Democrats
Speaker 1: hate their base, but Trump subsessed with his base. He is,
Speaker 1: which is a strength of his Yeah, yeah, yeah, for
Speaker 1: in politically not policy, but for politics.
Speaker 2: For politics, it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So now if you started eroding his base and
Speaker 1: Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Green and Canvas and and they
Speaker 1: and Andrew Schultz, Andrew Schultz is not part of his space.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but he voted for Trump. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: still all these guys are now like, wait, you're kidnapping
Speaker 1: people off the streets of America because they criticized Israel.
Speaker 2: This is America, This is America. I thought we were
Speaker 2: voting for you because the other side was anti free.
Speaker 1: Speech exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: And I can't respect RFK anymore because I was a
Speaker 2: RFK guy for a little bit. But fuck, this guy
Speaker 2: is his whole thing is free speech and he's running
Speaker 2: around with Rabbi Shimoli and.
Speaker 1: You gotta go.
Speaker 2: But I want to get a couple of quick points off.
Speaker 2: One would be we are I think in our lifetime,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's anything bigger or more grotesque, or
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that there gonna be a bigger travesty
Speaker 2: than what's happening in Gaza. I'm not sure if you
Speaker 2: and I will live to see that. Obviously, there's stuff
Speaker 2: going on in the Congo as well, but.
Speaker 1: We don't fund that.
Speaker 2: Is I don't know where the world goes from here.
Speaker 2: Is I saw you the UK was talking about sanctions
Speaker 2: on Israel. Is it gonna get to like, how does
Speaker 2: this thing end? Man?
Speaker 1: Like? So, look, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely right,
Speaker 1: So Israel didn't start out this way. So Israel always
Speaker 1: had problems. They've been occupying the Palatinians for fifty eight years.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen yesterday. Right now, having said that, it's
Speaker 1: gotten much much worse over time, and cool, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so now we're at Nanyahu's smokes rich In Ben
Speaker 1: Givie Ben Gavier is a literal convicted terrorist, aid and
Speaker 1: the better terrorism and now Smote rich just two days
Speaker 1: ago said we should keep I want to start with
Speaker 1: the Palactinians to death. But the world will let us
Speaker 1: if they if we do, they won't let us keep Gaza.
Speaker 1: So let's keep them on the brink of starvation and
Speaker 1: then push them out of the country. That's literally genocide
Speaker 1: and ethnic cleansing. And he's saying it out loud, right,
Speaker 1: let's do that and then we'll get to keep Gaza
Speaker 1: that way. You know, he's basically saying we get to
Speaker 1: steal Gaza as long as we don't starve them to death.
Speaker 1: Let's just bring them to the brink of starvation. So
Speaker 1: they have become what they most feared and despised. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything that sounds more fascist. Then that's
Speaker 1: those statements. Right, And now Nan Yah, who's just flat
Speaker 1: out saying it. Yeah, this is the conquest of Gaza.
Speaker 1: It's not about self defense. They're on the offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They were doing this all long to take land, and
Speaker 1: we said that and they're like Auntie Samite, Okay, now
Speaker 1: they're saying, yeah, we did it for land. So are
Speaker 1: you now going to apologize to all of us, you
Speaker 1: freaking liars? Right? So how does this end? If we
Speaker 1: keep funding Israel, they're just gonna get worse and worse
Speaker 1: and worse. Then they'll take West Bank, then they'll take
Speaker 1: southern Lebanon, they'll take western Syria. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have the Greater Israel patches on the idea fucking uniform.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have a map in the Israeli government
Speaker 1: of Greater Israel and all the Arab land they planned
Speaker 1: to steal. That's just a fact.
Speaker 2: This is not a lie. This is literally and they
Speaker 2: don't and they talk of that. It's it's crazy. So
Speaker 2: it's the funding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have to cut their funding. And it's
Speaker 1: not to hurt them, it's to bring them back to sanity.
Speaker 2: It's to make them good neighbors.
Speaker 1: Yes, Like, so if you're enabling their worst instincts, you're
Speaker 1: not helping them, you're hurting them. Right, So a US
Speaker 1: has to cut all funding to Israel none zero zero zero,
Speaker 1: But then the rest of the world has to do
Speaker 1: a massive economic boycott.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they have to. I feel like the same
Speaker 2: way that everyone sanctioned Russia. Why, like what, Yeah, how
Speaker 2: do you feel about Russia Ukrainian conflict. They did, they
Speaker 2: attacked the country, but they did not fucking wipe out
Speaker 2: the entire Ukrainian population, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and what Russia did is also terrible for sure.
Speaker 1: But the great example of South Africa, because South Africa
Speaker 1: and Israel are not run by dictators. So when you
Speaker 1: sanction Iraq when it's run by Saddam Hussein, it's never
Speaker 1: gonna work because he's a single dictator. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: run out of food.
Speaker 2: When you sanctioned democracies, the people will vote those people out.
Speaker 2: Because they're like, it's fucking up our pockets, our country.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And even before it gets to that level the
Speaker 1: businessmen of that country. That's what turned in South Africa oligarchs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the oligarchs were like, what the fuck now, we
Speaker 1: lost our money? Right? Yeah. So if you cost the
Speaker 1: oligarchs of Israel their money just because they're human, not
Speaker 1: because they're Jewish, just same thing happened in South Africa.
Speaker 1: The same thing happens everything, right, they're gonna be like, no, wait,
Speaker 1: same thing happened in Egypt. By the way, it was
Speaker 1: that a general strike that did mobarikin right. So when
Speaker 1: you touch the economic power, that's when you're in the ballgame.
Speaker 1: That's why when anybody talks about boycott, the divestment, and
Speaker 1: sanctioning Israel, that's when the pro Israeli lobby goes nuts.
Speaker 3: Joli, that's the most anti Samonic thing that's worse than
Speaker 3: terrorism and stuff's crazy.
Speaker 1: That means that's the one that's the one that's gonna work, right,
Speaker 1: giant boycott. I mean, what are we gonna do. We
Speaker 1: said never again. We said never again, right, and they're
Speaker 1: starving two million people to death. If you don't do
Speaker 1: an economic boycott over that, then you're not ever gonna
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: And the fact that all the world courts and all
Speaker 2: these like everyone's all the shigars gets ignored, the un
Speaker 2: it's everything is it's crazy. But look, I appreciate you
Speaker 2: taking time out. You got to get out of here.
Speaker 2: You are, you know, I feel like you. You you walked,
Speaker 2: so you know, other shows can run. You know, I
Speaker 2: think about you know, I love Breaking Points now. But
Speaker 2: all these shows they're all like, you know, if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for Young Turks, you kind of showed everybody that
Speaker 2: there was an independent way to do news and at
Speaker 2: a high level. So I appreciate what you and Anna
Speaker 2: and everybody over there does and you're killing it. How
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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, I appreciate it everything you said. So
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Speaker 2: I was a year out of high school. I'm thirty seven.
Speaker 1: So back then, Kip, when I said I got a
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Speaker 2: But listen, man, I appreciate you. I hope we can
Speaker 2: do this again because I feel like there's so much
Speaker 2: other stuff we could talk about. Because I'm just more.
Speaker 2: I want to dive into your journey and how you
Speaker 2: I feel like there's so much going on in the
Speaker 2: political landscape, but I want to kind of one day
Speaker 2: talk to you about just the start of Young Turks
Speaker 2: and how everything started. And California. Fuck you live in California.
Speaker 2: You might start thinking about being a Republican long enough,
Speaker 2: it's it's fucked out.
Speaker 1: Here, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be the governor. Dude, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't want it. I don't want what
Speaker 1: you could be. You know who could be? Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get into it, but there's no other
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Speaker 2: But I love her and she's Armenian, she's lit. She
Speaker 2: got all the Glendale and the Valley on Lock that
Speaker 2: is wild. I think that people don't understand the dynamics
Speaker 2: of the Young Turks. Is an Armenian and a Turkish
Speaker 2: guy coming together, an Armenian woman in a Turkish a
Speaker 2: man is the the main And for people who don't
Speaker 2: know Armenians and Turks, they do not get along.
Speaker 1: They do hear, you know, historically, because this is America.
Speaker 2: This is America. Yeah, young Turks, let's vote. Hey Anna
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Speaker 1: Get it started right here. You're the first person to ever.
Speaker 2: Say there it is. I appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure boom fire