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Speaker 1: Can'st playground. Well. Hello Buzznight, the host of the Taken

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Speaker 1: a Walk podcast series, and welcome to this special National

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Speaker 1: Association of Broadcasters NAB twenty twenty two edition. Now for

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Speaker 1: those of you in our vast international audience, Hello, Germany, Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Slovenia, Aruba,

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong, the Ukraine, Yes, the Ukraine, Croatia, Poland, Saint

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Speaker 1: Lucia or Struthers, Ohio. NAB stands for National Association of

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Speaker 1: Broadcasters And I'm heading to the big convention NAB twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two in Las Vegas. I'm here taking a walk alright,

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Speaker 1: right now, I'm not taking a walk, to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you. It's so early in the morning and early

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Speaker 1: alternate reality Saturday morning at Logan Airport. Everything seems to

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Speaker 1: be operating in the emotion. Watching a guy walk by,

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Speaker 1: literally it looks like he's moonwalking. It's so early. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You see odd things in an early hour. Most notably

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Speaker 1: what I saw, kid you not, was a father and

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Speaker 1: it looked like the father, Uh, didn't even have the

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Speaker 1: best way for me to uh document the Taking a

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Speaker 1: on in the series I will be walking, and the

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Speaker 1: best way to document this is a collection of various

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Speaker 1: taking a walk interesting guests. So the decision came to

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Speaker 1: me after a writer's meeting last night intense, which really

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Speaker 1: means that I had a few martinis with my wife.

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Speaker 1: She had a listen to me neurotically throwing ideas against

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Speaker 1: the wall on what to do had taken a walk

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Speaker 1: with this trip. I agreed with myself that unless Lady Gaga,

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Speaker 1: Mary Manilo or Charro would be available when I hit

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Speaker 1: Vegas for taking a Walk, that this needs to be

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Speaker 1: a collection of people. So now you know this is

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Speaker 1: what we're up to, and from now on you're gonna

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Speaker 1: call this the Taken a Walk NAB twenty twenty two collection.

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Speaker 1: You never know what we're going to run into taking

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Speaker 1: a walk with you must not. Well, I knew I

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Speaker 1: would be walking around Caesar's Palace and bump into somebody

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Speaker 1: that I knew here in Las Vegas. Hello, Ben Arnold,

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Speaker 1: from the NPD group from Washington, d C. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to see you again. It's been too long. No,

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Speaker 1: it's notice to you in person. Not to see anybody

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Speaker 1: in personal right certainly is Yeah. So Vegas is animated

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Speaker 1: as always and is a trip, but we're visiting for

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Speaker 1: NAD twenty twenty two. It's so nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: So in your role with NPT, you examine consumer behavior

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Speaker 1: really on behalf of many clients in the consumer technology business.

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Speaker 1: So what's going on over the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: And we saw, i think the value on the technology

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Speaker 1: And that had a big impact on technology sales. And

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Speaker 1: You think, A right great to see you, Ben all right, boys, Well,

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Speaker 1: Is my dear friend Brian BINNIEC from Connected Travel. Brian,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing here in Vegas at the NAP Well,

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Speaker 1: we have been working quietly over the past six months

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Speaker 1: with an auto OEM in Europe, Radio Line and Simple

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Speaker 1: This is what we call happenstance. As we're taking a

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Speaker 1: walk the other Jacobs, you could speak of Paul Jacobs. Hello,

429
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: Paul buzz, how are you good? We're I take out

430
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: your walk. We're walking, and we're taking a walk. One

431
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: of the beautiful things is when happenstance happens and we

432
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: bump into people and bumping into you is terrific as well.

433
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: And most people would say, I'm a lot better than

434
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: a bird pooping on your shoulders. Wow, while you're taking

435
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: a walk. Wow. I would say that, by the way,

436
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: not me, not me. Yeah, yeah. Did you have a

437
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: nice lunch inside the West Gate? Absolutely? And I had

438
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: a great view of you as we were eating, and

439
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: you were much more interesting than my turkey burger. I

440
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 1: scarfed down some fabulous mats of bowl soup. Nothing like

441
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Sids Cafe. It's a legend. Oh, come on, it's a

442
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Vegas meal. Fred. Should we keep your brother as pleasure?

443
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I think so? You could you have time? Yeah, I

444
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 1: have a few minutes. This is perfect, This is this

445
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: is in my wildest dream. Nobody's going to believe this

446
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: actually happened. But this was totally on playing. This actually happened.

447
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: So first of all, well, the concept of taking a

448
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: walk is something that I think about YouTube, gentlemen, because

449
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: I know for fact that there are many times to

450
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: sort of clear your head and to work out ideas

451
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: that you boys, you Jacob's boys, like to take a walk.

452
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: Is that right? Oh, we're famous walkers. We in our

453
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: old days. Two years ago, three years ago. We used

454
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: to walk every Saturday and Sunday for hours and do

455
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: half marathons and things like that, and it's great. You

456
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: do a half marathon and you get a lot of

457
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: business done. It's really kind of a yeah, a true thing. Yeah, Yeah,

458
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: COVID slowed us down for a variety of reasons. Paul

459
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: actually has continued his walking and walk the half marathon

460
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: last fall without me, So I'm kind of trying to

461
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: work my way back up to a bit. Actually being

462
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: at this conference, I probably logged more miles in the

463
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: last forty eight hours than I have in the last

464
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: forty eight months, no doubt. In bad shoes, in bad

465
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: shoes point. Yeah. So it helps you guys, not only

466
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, fitness wise, but idea generation problem solving right

467
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: totally totally gets the juices flying. Yeah, and we argue

468
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: with each other, but in only the best way. But

469
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean we go at it in a constructive way

470
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: and we push each other really hard, and it's cool.

471
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: It's a great process. I mean, we've been working together

472
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: for so long we kind of have it down. I mean,

473
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: even when we get pissed off at each other, it's

474
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: like ten minutes later, it's like, so where do you

475
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: want to have lunch? Yeah? Right, it's like a good marriage. Yeah,

476
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Yeah. Well, and I might say some

477
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: of the places that you probably are able to take

478
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: a walk in, or certainly favorite places of mine, like

479
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: this place Birmingham, Michigan that you guys know pretty well. Right,

480
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: nothing like Birmingham, of course, as we're sitting here walking

481
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: through the Westgate here in Vegas, trust me, I'd rather

482
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: be in Birmingham. It sounds like a bumper sticker totally. Yeah, Yeah,

483
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: you're right, But yeah, we're we like to just pretty

484
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: much air it out anywhere we go, and it's a

485
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: great prob I mean, we're so lucky to have each other.

486
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean as kids, we were not particularly close. But

487
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: as adults, I mean we've been working together for decades now,

488
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: and I mean we know each other's moves, so it's

489
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: it's a great process. You weren't close. I stopped there

490
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: for a second. Well, No, we weren't close as kids, kid,

491
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: not really. I mean, I mean we got along, but

492
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: we weren't tight. You know, there's three and a half

493
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: years difference. Yes, I'm older, let's get that out of

494
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: the way. But but no, we really were in different circles,

495
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: and we were different kinds of people. And even today,

496
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean I'm programming these sales. I mean we come

497
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: at it from different sides of the radio spectrum, right,

498
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: put it differently. He thought I was a stupid job,

499
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: and he thought he was some grand intellectual and he

500
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: was really he was really right about both. Wow, this

501
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: is way too much truth. And here's and here's the

502
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: breaking point. We call it therapy. I feel under the Yeah,

503
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: here's the breaking finish. So I was at Michigan State.

504
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: Fred got his uh it was going to get his

505
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: master's in Michigan State. And part of the thing was

506
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: he had to teach the hardest course in the radio department,

507
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: radio two on one. And it was a hard course

508
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: and it's what we did out everybody. So I had

509
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: to take the course from me from Fred. He kicked

510
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: my ass, okay, it was it was unbelievable, but I

511
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: was kind of I put my jacket on and I

512
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to ace this class to show him.

513
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: And I did. And that was probably the beginning of

514
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: the of the pray. It was Paul. But we were

515
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: there for four years and if we enjoyed four meals

516
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: with each other during that time when we weren't at home.

517
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: That's probably a lot. It's not like we hung out

518
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: with each other no, or any of that, except at

519
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: the radio production studio exactly. I saw it was more there.

520
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: But once we both got into the industry, it tightened up.

521
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: And then obviously when we started working together every day.

522
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: Working at RIFF was great though. I mean, you're right

523
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: about that, you know, And you know Fred was this

524
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: totally intense, brilliant program director ponytail right if he could

525
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: at time, and I was the arrogant successful sales guide.

526
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: And you know what happened was I decided, since I

527
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: had access to the program director and I thought my

528
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: poop didn't stink, I would occasionally walk into Fred's office

529
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: and go, you know the third track on Seeger Live,

530
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: that you should be playing it. And after about the

531
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: fifth time I did that, Fred uttered the famous words

532
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: shut up and make goal. And that's when that probably

533
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: really laid the predicate for us working together because we

534
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: began to realize that we had We came at problems

535
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: completely differently, but it worked together and we wound up

536
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: doing great stuff at RIFF, great promotion. Oh, it's unbelievable,

537
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: but I would say legendary. Yeah, well that's kind. But

538
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, the other thing that has happened, though, is

539
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: that we've kind of become each other. You can ask

540
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: our wise and they will affirm. But I've learned a

541
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: lot about sales over the years from him, and he's

542
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: we'll let the mono rail go by. And he's become

543
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: a really strong programmer. I mean he understands content and

544
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: the product. And so if you'll excuse the expression, wow,

545
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: a bird has joined us. Oh wow, All has really

546
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: kind of riffed his way into being a strong resource

547
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: for me. So let's go figure. I think he's going

548
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: to keep me. Oh boy, let's sing Kumbaya together. How

549
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: many years has it been? Thirty? This is thirty two.

550
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: I think something in the fall. Yeah, wow, you guys

551
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: should be so proud. We are you are Our mother

552
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: is prouder. But yeah, she still has no clue what

553
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: we do, no which, but the fact we do it

554
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: together is kind of a thing. Yeah. She probably probably

555
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: brings a smile, right, yeah, I think what she thinks

556
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: about it, Yeah yeah, right, like it's on the top

557
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: of her tongue. Does she still hit let's move away

558
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: from that bird. I know it's really annoying. Does she

559
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: still refer to you as boys? You boys? You know what? Buzz?

560
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: She still gives us money on our birthdays and I

561
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: don't and I don't even want to tell you how

562
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: old we are. But in my case, the first digit

563
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: starts with a seven. And I said to her this

564
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: year from my birthday as she handed me the check, Mom,

565
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: at what point do you stop giving me birthday checks?

566
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: It's kind of embarrassing? And she said, never sought. Isn't

567
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: that cool? That is so cool? It brings a smile

568
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: to my face? All right, I wish she gave more,

569
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 1: but it's a thought that comes. Paul is checking his phone,

570
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: so I want to make sure we capitalize on his time.

571
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: Is the NAB? I haven't need it? Okay, Well, so

572
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: we're at the NAB. So in in the big scope

573
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: of things, what's the biggest issue haunting right now the

574
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: radio industry and what is the most exciting thing in

575
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: the works for the radio industry? So first first question,

576
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: daunt think? So I have to I have to actually

577
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: think about the gen Z thing and the fact that

578
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: we have absolutely zero plan in place as an industry

579
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: and it's really no one's priority that we think about

580
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: these generations that really don't have very much to do

581
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: with radio and aren't just going to come around when

582
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: they're adults. So that's what's keeping me up at night,

583
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: is how are we going to appeal to today's teenagers

584
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: and how can we get young people interested in this

585
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: as a career like we were. So that's my thing.

586
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: I'll be glass half full sales guy. Yeah, I think

587
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: radio has actually made steady slow strides in digital. I think,

588
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the revenue and you

589
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: look at the engagement and you begin to look at

590
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: the content, I mean, we're not killing it, but we

591
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: are fixing the plane at thirty five thousand feet I

592
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: think better than we were five years ago. And it's

593
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: not the salvation, but it's clearly that is to me,

594
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: the healthiest thing that's going on right now. Yeah, I

595
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: feel like we have a foothold finally, and that we're

596
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: not like convincing broadcasters that they need to be thinking

597
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: about this. I think they're there. It's just you know,

598
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: some are taken longer to get there than others. And

599
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 1: it's I mean change is a bitch. I mean it's hard,

600
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, to take organizations that have been kind of

601
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: doing it the same way successfully for decades and all

602
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden have to implement entirely new processes. It's difficult,

603
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I think I think it's

604
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: getting there. It just took so damn long. Oh my god,

605
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: we had to go a decade of radio shouldn't stream

606
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: and it's like get out. And you know, I mean

607
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: radio as an industry, because it doesn't speak in one

608
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: voice and doesn't collaborate, has missed so many big think opportunities,

609
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: whether it is with the car, you know, and representing

610
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: ourselves to the to the auto industry. I mean, honestly,

611
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: I did, you know, why didn't we invent Pandora? You know,

612
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: why is all this audio stuff happening? Why didn't we

613
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: buy Pandora when they were on their knees? And would

614
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't that have been smart? I mean, it's not too late,

615
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: because they're further up there. Actually, I was going to say,

616
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean serious, serious, XM's kind of not done a

617
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: real good job with that. You're right, we could probably

618
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: do an Elon Musk here and pick it up at

619
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: a discount, right, Yeah, you know what, you got any money, bums,

620
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Maybe we got some pocket change from the casino. Maybe

621
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: I've got the cool link together. Okay, last question, how

622
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: was the Barry Manielo Show? Do you have time for

623
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: a story? Of course, can I thon? Can't smile without

624
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: you in the background. Now listen the very first radio show.

625
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Rick Sklar, who was the programming guy at w ABC

626
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: and then the ABC group, was on the programming committee

627
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: for the NAB Radio Show and it was Rick's job

628
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: to book the entertainment. And so he booked Barry Manilow.

629
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: And this was in Chicago, and all of us program directors,

630
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: all seven of us, were all rock guys. And Rick

631
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: told us that we had a table right in front

632
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: of the stage and gave us strict instructions. You guys

633
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: are to go. You are not to walk out in

634
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: the middle of the show. You don't have to enjoy

635
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: Barry Manilo, but you have to respect him. And we

636
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: said okay, and we all went to the show, and

637
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: meanwhile Barry Manilo kicked ash. I mean, it was such

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Speaker 1: a great show, and you know, it's like one of

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Speaker 1: those concerts where you go, I forgot. This guy had

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Speaker 1: so many hits and he's such a professional, and the

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Speaker 1: girls were pretty I mean, you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of scenery. But it actually turned out to be a

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Speaker 1: great show. And I hear he still brings it and

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Speaker 1: he's here at the West Gate where you are. He

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Speaker 1: is here at the Westgate. He did cancel because of

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Speaker 1: this COVID thing for a few days he did. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, I was actually I kid you,

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Speaker 1: not working on him as a special guest. But it

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Speaker 1: didn't come together too bad. That would have been cool.

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Speaker 1: He's got better stories than we do. We just have

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Speaker 1: radio stories. Yeah. Oh, come on, well listen, this has

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Speaker 1: made the trip worthwhile. Now it's gonna be you surped

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Speaker 1: later by probably Jim Gaffigan's performance, but this has made

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Speaker 1: the trip so far. I'll tell you something. We were

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Speaker 1: originally scheduled to be Jim Gaffigan's warm up act on

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Speaker 1: the agenda was your panel was supposed to lead into

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Speaker 1: Jim Gaffigan. And we're like, no, don't do that too often.

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Speaker 1: That would imagine how awful that would be. That would

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Speaker 1: be right rough, But Paul's right. They told us, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys, go right after Gaffigan and it's like, are

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Speaker 1: you kidding? No? Maybe if we went before him, I

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Speaker 1: mean I could see us being the opening act that

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Speaker 1: people threw stuff at it, but oh right, the efforts

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Speaker 1: never Well, guys, thanks for taking a walk here at

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Speaker 1: the NAB and VA I guess I look forward to

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Speaker 1: episode two with you guys in Birmingham walking the mean

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Speaker 1: streets of Birmingham with you. Yeah, you got you got

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Speaker 1: to come to town. And meanwhile, all I can wish

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Speaker 1: for you, Buzz is is peace, happiness, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you don't have too much editing from this. Oh it's perfect.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just add one more thing. I really hope

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Speaker 1: you get comfortable shoes. Look very comfortable if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be taking a walk, man, it's all about is it comfortable?

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Speaker 1: Well him for Meryl's right now, Meryl's Merril's okay. Thanks

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Speaker 1: thanks for having those bus. Taking a Walk with Buzznight

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Speaker 1: is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts co