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Speaker 1: The volume. Welcome to the Basket to Colin Coward podcast.

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Speaker 1: Some great guests this week Sixer's head coach Doc Rivers,

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Speaker 1: betting expert, new member of the volume Chad Millman, my

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Speaker 1: buddy Doug Gottlieb talked big stories in college basketball. He

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Speaker 1: was great. We're giving you all the highlights. But first

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Speaker 1: my takes of the week. That was word came out

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Speaker 1: that Lebron James is now part owner of the Boston

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Speaker 1: Red Sox, also part owner of Liverpool in the English

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Speaker 1: Premier League. It's part of the Fenway Group and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people may be thinking, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: how is he? Why is he? It's real simple. If

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Speaker 1: you have a five hundred million dollars net worth plus

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Speaker 1: and Lebron is now closer to nine hundred million, where

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Speaker 1: do you put your money right now? The stock market?

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Speaker 1: The Dow Jones is over thirty two. Commercial real estate

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Speaker 1: not with a zoom culture, no thanks, residential real estate.

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Speaker 1: He just upgraded to a Beverly Hills home. A tech company.

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Speaker 1: Come on, ask an angel investor. One at a ten,

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Speaker 1: maybe one at a fifteen hit, but ask yourself, what

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Speaker 1: will absolutely for the world's richest people be there? In

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Speaker 1: twenty years. Sports teams Liverpool, Red Sox, Yankees, Lakers. This

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Speaker 1: is what the richest people in the world with the

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Speaker 1: highest net worth have discovered. And it is a frenzy

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Speaker 1: to get into sports ownership, and it is not easy

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Speaker 1: to get into baseball ownership. The ultimate old man's club,

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Speaker 1: Mark Cuban turned away but the Cubs years ago. The

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Speaker 1: reality is if you're net worthing's big. The market is

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Speaker 1: too hot. Commercial real estate now scares people. Residential real estate,

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Speaker 1: how many homes can you buy? We're probably in a bubble.

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Speaker 1: Tech companies, the smartest investors in the world swing and

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Speaker 1: miss on ninety percent. Sports teams here to stay and

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Speaker 1: their value only going up because of sports gambling and

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Speaker 1: the visceral connection fans have with sports that's only growing.

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees retired. Drew Brees should be a model and

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Speaker 1: an example for people that aren't superstars, which is, you

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Speaker 1: know all of us. Drew Brees had to go to Purdue,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees with a little short schools in Texas didn't

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Speaker 1: scholarship him. Then he goes to San Diego and gets

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Speaker 1: hurt the Miami doctor and Nick Saban said no thanks.

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Speaker 1: He goes to the decades of losing Saints and finally

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Speaker 1: he gets his kingmaker. And this is something I've told

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Speaker 1: people my entire life. I've never met thirty years of

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Speaker 1: broadcasting somebody with two traits that wasn't a big success.

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Speaker 1: One is talent and two his willfulness. Drew Brees lots

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Speaker 1: of turbulence, major injury, losing franchise, eventually dealt with the

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Speaker 1: turbulence of Katrina in New Orleans. But in the end,

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Speaker 1: grinding head down, you will find your kingmaker. You will

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Speaker 1: because everybody is seeking talent. And then Drew Brees also

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Speaker 1: aged the way you're supposed to. He was good, then

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Speaker 1: he lost his fastball, couldn't throw deep. Then he needed

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Speaker 1: multiple games off to finish strong, and then he sort

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Speaker 1: of looked tired. That's when you should retire, and it's

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Speaker 1: when Drew Brees retired. But he's the classic prototype four

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Speaker 1: overlooked injuries, bad franchise. But if you're talented and willful,

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Speaker 1: you will find a kingmaker. You will. Everybody eventually does

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Speaker 1: if you put in the work and you stay aspiration.

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Speaker 1: Shocker news comes now that Anthony Davis of the Lakers

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Speaker 1: will miss an additional three weeks like it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis was not built for eighty two and twenty

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Speaker 1: intense postseason games, and nobody brought him to LA for that.

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Speaker 1: We don't want our quarterbacks throwing sixty five times. You

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Speaker 1: getting to three hundred innings. You want them rested for

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Speaker 1: the postseason. James Harden plays eighty two games a year

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Speaker 1: and he looks washed by the second round of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Had the Clippers won the title last year, load management

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Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles. I don't know anybody that

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Speaker 1: let go for the Clippers after last season in what

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Speaker 1: The issue I've always had with Simmons and Embid is

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Speaker 1: a fairly obvious one. Ben's not a perimeter player as

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Speaker 1: Ben is too good at too many things, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's been really good for us and Joel. The

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Speaker 1: did you? And Chris? I mean, he's just you're bull guys. Yeah,

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