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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, people who know Armie Hammer spoke up about

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Speaker 1: him publicly and it cost him his career. Well, someone

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Speaker 1: who probably knows him better than anyone is speaking up

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Speaker 1: publicly now, his mama, and she is here with us

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Speaker 1: on this episode, Robes, we're revisiting. There's a little distance

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Speaker 1: between that controversy and I remember it so well with

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Speaker 1: Armie Hammer, and I know you probably covered it at

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Speaker 1: some point. I probably covered at some point, but some

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Speaker 1: I don't remember a whole lot of details, except for

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Speaker 1: one unfortunately that stuck in people's minds that from our understanding,

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Speaker 1: wasn't even true.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: He was accused just people looked at his texts and

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Speaker 3: certainly had I think three women specifically who he had

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Speaker 3: been seeing come out and share some texts and share

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Speaker 3: some of his personal life that maybe none of us

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Speaker 3: ever even wanted to know. And there were accusations of

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Speaker 3: criminal behavior. But the big one, of course, was that

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Speaker 3: Armie Hammer, it's even hard to say, was a cannibal,

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Speaker 3: and he is refutely denied that from the beginning, and

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Speaker 3: we should mention too, with all of the allegations of

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Speaker 3: any sort of criminal romdoing, he was completely cleared of

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Speaker 3: that by the Los Angeles Police Department, who took their

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Speaker 3: time truly investigating him for months and months and said

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Speaker 3: there is not enough evidence to pursue any charges.

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Speaker 2: So all of that said, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: We have learned, and so many people have learned, in

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Speaker 3: the court of public opinion, perception becomes reality. The facts

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Speaker 3: tend to be forgotten and people just remember the catchy

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Speaker 3: click baity headlines, and that, as we've seen personally and

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Speaker 3: in so many other cases, can ruin someone's career soever.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're talking. This is the guy who's

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Speaker 1: never been charged with anything necessarily. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: never goes far as convicted, he was never charged with anything,

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Speaker 1: but he lost a career, a career that was going really, really,

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Speaker 1: really really well. Obviously, a lot of people listening to

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Speaker 1: our voices are very familiar with a lot of his work,

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Speaker 1: and in the past several years that has dried up

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Speaker 1: for him. So what's next we don't know, But his

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Speaker 1: mom is speaking out about it in a new book

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Speaker 1: that she has to go through. I guess they're some

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Speaker 1: family history, what she has done, what she has accomplished,

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Speaker 1: but also being there for her son and talking about

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Speaker 1: what he went through in the book.

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Speaker 3: Is called Hammered by Drew Hammer, and we have the

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Speaker 3: pleasure of having Drew with us on the podcast today.

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Speaker 2: Drew, thank you so much for being with us, and

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Speaker 2: how are you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great and actually you don't even need me.

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Speaker 4: That was the perfect introduction at all.

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Speaker 5: But we can get down to Submitigrid.

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Speaker 1: What did we get it right? And again you're very

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Speaker 1: as you're closer to it than anybody. But did we

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Speaker 1: get right? I guess what kind of your son went

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Speaker 5: You did get it right.

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Speaker 4: They actually, the Los Angeles Police Department did a two

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Speaker 4: and a half year investigation and with the perfect storm

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Speaker 4: that it was being during COVID, people were, you know,

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Speaker 5: In the office place.

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Speaker 4: It was kind of a feeding frenzy and the funniest

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Speaker 4: Well no, it's not funny actually, but I will say

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Speaker 4: I was saying that subjectively. But also when you read

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Speaker 4: that your son is a cannibal, of course I pick

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Speaker 4: up the phone and I was like, Armie, I just

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Speaker 4: have a question for you. Are there any women out

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: I mean, do you know what you have to do

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Speaker 4: to be a cannibal, you have to actually eat somebody.

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Speaker 4: And he said, Mom, I've heard you say, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 5: I could eat them up.

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Speaker 4: And you mix alcohol, you mix drugs, you mix I

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Speaker 4: would say sexual tension, maybe in Texas, and it's certainly

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Speaker 4: something a mother does not want to hear, so you

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Speaker 4: can imagine. But I was very respectful through the whole thing,

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Speaker 4: One of them even stayed in my home over Thanksgiving

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Speaker 4: know that the relationships were consensual. And how I sum

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Speaker 4: the book, the book is not necessarily just about Army.

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Speaker 4: I have two sons. They're amazing. You know, our whole

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Speaker 4: family crashed and burned. But I did send him both

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Speaker 4: my sons chapter eighteen, and I said, let me know.

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Speaker 4: And Army's response was, Mom, I think you handled it

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Speaker 4: was criminally wrong, and I believe that's been proven, but

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Speaker 4: he was morally wrong. And I know because I've been

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Speaker 4: in a marriage with infidelities. But to me, my choice

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Speaker 4: raised in a very strong Christian home and my parents

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Speaker 4: taught us the importance of forgiveness. And with my former husband,

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Speaker 4: he's now passed away, but we were incredibly good friends

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Speaker 5: And I loved him. He was the love of my life.

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Speaker 4: And I know he loved me, and he would call

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Speaker 4: me begging me, how did I do this? I made

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Speaker 4: you sure did. But I forgive you. And I think

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Speaker 2: It certainly is.

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Speaker 3: And you've said that Army is not criminally wrong, but

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Speaker 3: you know, you just said again there that he made

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Speaker 3: some mistakes when it comes to morality, are you Are

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Speaker 3: you simply talking about the infidelities he had while married

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Speaker 4: Well, the infidelities, but also I think when you're in

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Speaker 4: And I always say people will fail us, but God

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Speaker 5: And God is faithful.

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Speaker 4: But I think as a parent, I would love to

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Speaker 4: grooms not only this, but grooms the parents. This young

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Speaker 4: so much about can you forgive? And if it's hard

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Speaker 4: And I always say you can call God a crutch.

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Speaker 4: I remember I was on one of Army's movie sets

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Speaker 4: and guy Ritchie goes, I heard, you're one of those

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Speaker 4: I said, well, maybe it's a crutch, but you and

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Speaker 4: I have both been through very difficult divorces. And what

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Speaker 5: I just think it the truth.

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Speaker 4: So the reason why I wrote the book is, yes,

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Speaker 4: you know, our family crashed and burned. There was a

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Speaker 4: terrible documentary that came out and the aunt who did

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Speaker 5: Like, what are you kidding me? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: You know, listen, we all know how vicious press could be, right,

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Speaker 4: yes we do. I am not out for press personally.

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Speaker 4: My book is about that when you crash and burn,

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Speaker 4: I said, our family, When you go through things, and

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Speaker 4: That for fifteen years. I said, by the way, it

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Speaker 4: father died of brain cancer. So we've just been through

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Speaker 1: And you sound so much like my mama and my parents,

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Speaker 1: and really and some of that, some of the things

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Speaker 1: you're saying can only come from experience, and surely you

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Speaker 1: and your family have had some to an extent A

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Speaker 1: lot of people hopefully can never understand and will understand.

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Speaker 1: But you said something. I know you didn't want to

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Speaker 1: get a details about it, but it stood out to me.

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Speaker 1: And I want to ask about Army at fourteen years old? Right?

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Speaker 1: Did you something happened when he was fourteen? You can

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Speaker 1: I'm going back to it. But did you did you

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Speaker 1: know when? Did you know about it? You said he

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Speaker 4: such a passion because I did go through these things.

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00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: So I do believe everything happens for a reason.

438
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: Is this the toughest thing what you and you crashed

439
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: and burned? I wrote wrote that down. But what happened

440
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: with your son with Army and what the family went

441
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: through at the time, was that the toughest thing you've

442
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: experienced in life? And if not, I guess what were

443
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 1: some of those other challenges? Like you said, you've been

444
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: through it all, but I guess it was this one

445
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: of certainly the toughest, if not the toughest thing you've

446
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: experienced with family.

447
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm you know, just saying a mother is

448
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 4: as happy as her least happy child. And I have

449
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: one son that is this rule keeper and he has

450
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 4: his MBA and with Morgan Stanley, and you know, we

451
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: go to football games in high school and be home

452
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 4: at nine o'clock at night.

453
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 5: He was just a rule keeper.

454
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: So they're totally opposite, and a left side of praying

455
00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: and the other one.

456
00:25:59,720 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 5: You know.

457
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 4: James Dobson, this wonderful Bible teacher for years, he described

458
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: children like grocery carts. You can go to the grocery

459
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: store and you can get that cart, wear one finger,

460
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: and that cart will go straight down the aisle exactly

461
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: where it should go. And there's the others that you

462
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: put your entire weight behind it, and that cart is

463
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: going to go where it wants to go, no matter

464
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 4: what you say or do about it. But that's the

465
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: beauty of life. I love it that children can come

466
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 4: out of the same womb and be so totally opposite.

467
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 4: But I would actually long way around to answer that question.

468
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: I would say my divorce was the first hardest thing

469
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: that I've ever been through. No, that's not true. Army

470
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 4: going through that. Yes, the cancel, but I was already

471
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 4: divorced when the cancel culture and we found out the

472
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: severity of Army situation. I was married for twenty five years.

473
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: I loved him. We met on an airplane. He was

474
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: from a Russian Jewish family, armand Hammer's only grandson. And

475
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: I was thrown into a crazy world. You know, here

476
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: I am.

477
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 5: I was two.

478
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: Stepping on the weekends at Oklahoma State University, and I'm

479
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: thrown in this crazy world in Beverly Hills, And all

480
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm flying on armand seven twenty seven

481
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: around the world and meeting with Princess Die And I's

482
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 4: a crazy world. I'm not name dropping it just it

483
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 4: is what it is.

484
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Oh, you can drop a name like princes Died.

485
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if you've had that experience, why not share it.

486
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 4: Well, In the third time I met her, I shared

487
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: christ with her because we you know, we were young,

488
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: and we were thrown into the same situation several times

489
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 4: at different events. And the third time she came up

490
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: to me and she said, you know, Drew, I'm so sorry.

491
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 4: And at first I went, wait, princess died, knows my name.

492
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 4: How wack adoodle is that? But you know, God put

493
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: me together with certain people and I was able to

494
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: share Christ with her, and details are in my book.

495
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: I know, we don't have the time to go into it.

496
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: And Armond, a ninety one year old Russian Jew, when

497
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: his wife passed away, called me because I used to

498
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: always talk to him about Christ and I didn't know

499
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: enough to be intimidated by the family. I walked into

500
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 4: their home and there were Modiglianis. I didn't even know

501
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 4: what they were. I mean, I was so uncultured.

502
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm cultured. I'm uncultured as well.

503
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: You have to tell me, well, it's like a Monet

504
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 4: or a ren Lack or artist.

505
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: You're talking to two people who lived in the South

506
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: as well, went to state school. So we're right there

507
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: with you. We would have been in the same position

508
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: as you exactly.

509
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 4: And you know that does that's not happiness anyway. I

510
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: always say nobody goes to heaven with U haul.

511
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: Right, that's so true.

512
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: So anyway, Armand called me when his wife died and said, Drew,

513
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: you have something.

514
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 5: I don't have.

515
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: I go, well, the only thing I have that you

516
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: don't have is Jesus is my Messiah. And he said, yes,

517
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: I know, and I need that. So I ended up

518
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: having the privilege of leading the entire family, except for

519
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: the aunt who did the documentary, but that's another whole story.

520
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: But hey, I still pray for her.

521
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 5: I love her.

522
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: She's part of the family, She's a hammer I love her,

523
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: and I pray that I get an opportunity to share

524
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: God with her again that.

525
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 5: God loves her.

526
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: So you know, I was obviously put in that family

527
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: for a reason, and when I went through the divorce,

528
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 4: it really broke me. I was so broken. We had

529
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: been married twenty five years and we never fought. But again,

530
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: I hope God gives me the platform to share this

531
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 4: because he was severely abused as a child armand only

532
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: had one child, And how do you compete with doctor

533
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: armandhammer right who bought Occidental Petroleum with three employees and

534
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars is a tax

535
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: write off, So how do you compete with that. He's

536
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: all over the world and his son was an alcoholic

537
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: addicted to prescription pills. I would go to his home

538
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: and there'd be pornography all over the house, and I

539
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: didn't even know people like that existed. I grew up

540
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: in this little Christian bubble in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I

541
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 4: always say Tulsa is the buckle of the Bible belt.

542
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: But God had a reason. But when I went through divorce,

543
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: I was so heartbroken because my parents prayed their whole

544
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: lives for the right godly mates. But here's what I wish.

545
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: I wish looking back that I knew then what I

546
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: know now, because he was severely abused as a child

547
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: emotionally in a lot of different ways, and we never

548
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: dealt with it, and it was under the carpet. And

549
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: I believe if we would have been in Christian counseling,

550
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: because he did believe in God and he loved Jesus,

551
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: and I believe if he was in counseling, we would

552
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: have dealt with it and then we could have moved

553
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: on from there. But it was never dealt with and

554
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: because of that, I think infidelity was the way that

555
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: he acquired self esteem, if you will. But you know

556
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: what could a should have would Again, we can all

557
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: look back and say I wish I'd have done that.

558
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: I wish I hadn't done that, but reality is it happened.

559
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: I was heartbroken. But there's a great story in the

560
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: book where I went to Israel with Kathy Lee Gifford.

561
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: She took me there after my divorce and I had

562
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 4: a real God moment and God spoke to me and said,

563
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: I found this little stone right in cesarea where Paul

564
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 4: stood trial. And when I picked it up. When I

565
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 4: first went to Israel, I was like a Stepford wife.

566
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: I just shut down all of my emotions because I

567
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: was I'm a little stubborn and I'm like, I'm not

568
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: even going to cry through this divorce. I will never

569
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: show him that, you know what he's done to me.

570
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: How ridiculous is that? Right? So, as I was in Israel,

571
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: when I picked up this stone, it was a stone

572
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: that looked like a jeweler had hammered it. And actually

573
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: this is taken from the original mold of the stone.

574
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: You've got it around your neck. Wow.

575
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: Yes.

576
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: And when I was holding this stone, the Lord spoke

577
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: to me, and it felt like warm oil was being

578
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: poured over my body. And I wasn't sure I was

579
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: going to be okay at that time. And when I

580
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: was holding this stone, God spoke to me, and he said, Drew,

581
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: I'm going to take your heart of stone and I'm

582
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: going to turn it to flesh, and I'm going to

583
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: heal your heart. And I'm not going to say my

584
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: life was easy from then on, because it wasn't. I've

585
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 4: been through a lot, but I knew I was going

586
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: to be okay because God was there with me.

587
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: Wow.

588
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: That is a beautiful story and transformative.

589
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: It's interesting you say that your son, you know, he

590
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: has been starting to speak up and speak out.

591
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: You mentioned Peers Morgan. I think he did a podcast too.

592
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: I don't know which place he said this, but he said,

593
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: had none of this gone on, speaking about being canceled,

594
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: my life would have kept going exactly as it was.

595
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: And I know that that would ultimately only lead to

596
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: one place, and that's death.

597
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: Yes, do you think your son was.

598
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: His life was at risk the way he was living,

599
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: and that this almost had to happen the way it

600
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: happened for him to find life and to find a

601
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 3: better way of life.

602
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because I'm not sure he was really

603
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: an alcoholic or a drug edict. He just did everything

604
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: to extreme to mask this pain because he quit drinking,

605
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: you know, Robert Downey Junior called to him and said,

606
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: I think I need to pay it forward. Do you

607
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: want to get sober? And he said, yes, I do.

608
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: He said, I'm calling you at nine am, and if

609
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: you're serious, answer the phone and let's get started. He's

610
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: never taken a drink or done drug since. But one

611
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: of the reasons why he said that is because mom,

612
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: I did everything in extreme and you know he was

613
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 4: if you will, he was a happy drunk and I

614
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: mean life of the party. But he said, I have

615
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: so many friends who didn't stop, and because of fentanyl

616
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: and everything that's happening in the drugs. He said, I've

617
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: had three friends die. And he said that could have

618
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 4: so easily happened to me, and he was basically going

619
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: down the wrong road. So in a way, I can

620
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: thank God that all this happened, even though it was

621
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: excruciating to him. He was in an unhappy marriage. They

622
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 4: were both unhappy, and he likened it in the Pierce Morgan.

623
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: I'm not saying anything out of hand, but he said,

624
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 4: when you start in you'r a few degrees off. Each

625
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 4: year you get further and further away to where you're

626
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: completely going in separate directions and you've severed your ties.

627
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: You said he's sober. Now, how long has he been sober?

628
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: He said, no alcohol, no drugs. How long has it

629
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: been there?

630
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 5: Four years?

631
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: Four years? Okay? Can I ask this, mam? How is

632
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: he doing today compared to the height of his career

633
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: that you've seen and enjoying wild success? You still know

634
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: him on a personal level. It's wild to We can

635
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: understand it because it seems incredible to think that after

636
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: people go through something that your son went through. We

637
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: can understand because we can say, good guy, we are

638
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: better off and happier because of the worst hell we

639
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: went through about a year and a half ago. But

640
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: how is he doing today and how close is he

641
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: to possibly acting again?

642
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: Well?

643
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: Well, I can honestly say, and he will tell you

644
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 4: he is the happiest that he's ever been because now

645
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: he is an incredible father to his children. He has

646
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: a very peaceful relationship with his former wife. You know,

647
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: he shows up every morning at seven when I would

648
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: go visit them in the Caymans. He goes every morning

649
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: at seven am to get his children. He makes them

650
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: breakfast with his former wife and they feed their children together.

651
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: He takes them to school, he picks them up after school.

652
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 4: He said, Mom, I'm sober, and I'm able to enjoy

653
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: and love my children like I was always supposed to be.

654
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 4: And does he want to work again. Absolutely, He's written

655
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: a script and he always already has a few people interested.

656
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 4: And does he want to get back. Absolutely. And I

657
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: can honestly say when he was twelve years old, or

658
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: actually might have been ten, we were living in the

659
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: Cayman Islands at the time, and he came to me

660
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 4: and he said, Mom, I'm going to be an actor

661
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: when I grow up. And being the ever encouraging mother

662
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: that I am. I'm like, that's the worst occupation in

663
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 4: the world. The percentage of people making it is so small.

664
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 5: It's a life of rejection.

665
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: You know, there's so much debauchery in Hollywood being the

666
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 4: ever supportive mother. And we made an agreement, my husband

667
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: and I we said, you know what, Army, we watch

668
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: a lot of these kids actors, and I see mothers

669
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: living vicuriously through their children. I will never be a

670
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 4: you know, a mom that is going to do that.

671
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: But I do believe if that's something that God has

672
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: put on your heart, I believe it'll happen, but you're

673
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: going to wait till you get your driver's license and

674
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 4: can drive yourself, because I.

675
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: Want you to have a normal childhood.

676
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: Well, little did I know it was not normal because

677
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: of the incident that happened to fourteen. Excuse me, but

678
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I've told both my sons, if

679
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 4: it's God, it's going to work out, and it's going

680
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 4: to happen, but you got to put the hard work

681
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 4: into it. And he went through seven years of beating

682
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: the pavement. People think he just walked into it and

683
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: became an actor, you know, and we told him. You know,

684
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: he booked social What was that show that he was

685
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: in with Blake Lively my mind.

686
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: Just gossip Girl maybe gossip Girl, thank you.

687
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: Well, he was a freshman going to UCLA and booked

688
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: gossip Girl and it was in New York and it

689
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 4: was a six week series and basically the rest was

690
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: history after that. But I prayed and I said, God,

691
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 4: if this is what you have for my son, give

692
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 4: me a sign. And do you know the first movie

693
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: he ever booked, he played Billy Graham and it was

694
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: a small independent movie called Billy the Early Years, and

695
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: it is the sweetest movie. He carried the entire movie

696
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: and he'd never been in a movie before. But here's

697
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: the great part. We all flew to Nashville and he

698
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 4: was filming this scene where he's in this little church

699
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 4: where Billy Graham first started ministry, and he gives an

700
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: actual sermon, part of a sermon that Billy Graham gave

701
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 4: from all of his old writings, and at the very

702
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: end he holds his hands out and he says, give

703
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: your life to Christ. Well, I mean the church, lady,

704
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 4: I was a disaster. I'm like sobbing in the pews,

705
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, God, I let go.

706
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 5: I released. This is what you called him to do.

707
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 4: But again, it doesn't mean it's all going to be

708
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: hunky Doris, Right.

709
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you had to go through what he went through.

710
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: And now I leave and I say, Armie, you after

711
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 4: filming Social Network, you had Clint Eastwood call you and

712
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: say I want you to star in my next movie

713
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: with Leonardo DiCaprio.

714
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: That was j Edker, and so.

715
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 4: I knew he had talent or that wouldn't be happening.

716
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: So I said, Armie, if you had that talent while

717
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 4: you were medicating and drinking a lot and doing drugs.

718
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: Can you imagine what you could do now being sober?

719
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing, you know, listening to how you raised

720
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 3: him and how close you all are and how close

721
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: your family is. I mean, it's really powerful. I'm curious

722
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: as a mom, what was like? Where were you when

723
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: you started to hear some of these allegations and was

724
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 3: there any part of you that believed them?

725
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: How shocked were you?

726
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: I just I can't imagine as a mom what those

727
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 3: moments must have been like. And I'm just curious how

728
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: you received them and how you reacted.

729
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 5: Well.

730
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: I was heartbroken, and first of all, you know, nobody

731
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 4: wants to think that their parents ever have sex, right,

732
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: I mean, let's just get down that corrective.

733
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Jesus see.

734
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: It in movies. I don't want to hear about it.

735
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear lude texas that my son

736
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: and other girls wrote to each other. It's just downright creepy.

737
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: That's all there is to it. But then again, you know,

738
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: are you going to let it destroy you or are

739
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 4: you going to be the mom that calls him up

740
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: and say, you know what, no matter what, you are,

741
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: my son and I love you and I will always

742
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 4: be praying for you, because I know God has a

743
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: plan for your life.

744
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: Drew, do you think that there are people out there

745
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: who actually believe your son is a cannibal?

746
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 5: I don't know.

747
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't imagine. It's pretty hard to imagine,

748
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 4: to be perfectly honest. And again, you know I have

749
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: said before, oh my gosh, that baby, I could.

750
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 5: Just eat you up. I'm not eating that baby.

751
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: So I think it was all circumstantial what he wrote

752
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 4: in stupid text being high and drunk, and you know,

753
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: girls throwing themselves at him. Sorry, but I basically say

754
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: in my book that I think these young girls saw

755
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 4: him as mister Wright and he saw them as ms

756
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 4: right now, so it wasn't morally right. And he says,

757
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: I take responsibility. Did I take advantage being the older

758
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: person and being the actor, And you know, you can

759
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: imagine he had girls throwing himself themselves at him. He

760
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 4: takes responsibility for that. But again, you know I met

761
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: them and one of them stayed in my home. I

762
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 4: had dinner with them, and they were madly in love

763
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: with him.

764
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: And did you reach out? I believe I saw that

765
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: you reached out to two of them, after all of

766
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: this happened and came out, one.

767
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: Of them kept writing that, you know, he tied her

768
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: down and carved an a on her, and you know,

769
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: and she actually was standing in my dining room and

770
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 4: was so proud of it and showed it to me

771
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: and it's this little bitty tiny a and she was

772
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 4: proud of it, saying, oh, look what I had Army do.

773
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: So when she was saying that, I just told her,

774
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 4: I said, I'm so happy I had the opportunity to

775
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: meet you. But in my dining room, you showed it

776
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: to me and you were very proud of that. And

777
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 4: you know, next thing, she was being tied down and

778
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: you know whatever. I don't need to get into details.

779
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 4: But and after that, I never did it again because

780
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: you know, what's the point.

781
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay, church lady, Mama hammer let me.

782
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: I got to ask this.

783
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 1: But it's one thing emotions, heartbreak, relationships. We have all

784
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: been there and done things that were silly and we're

785
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: not proud of. But it's another level when someone makes

786
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: allegations that destroy somebody's life and career. That's different. You

787
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: can gotch scratch his car, you know, but a knife

788
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: and is tired. There are other options. I'm not saying

789
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: those are good ones, but what does it tell you?

790
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: Help us understand? And you met these women, that's another

791
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: level of anger and emotion that goes just beyond I'm hurt.

792
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: This was like a concerted effort to do harm by

793
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: telling the most vicious like you say, of lies. Help

794
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: us understand these women and why it went that far?

795
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 4: Well, and I think as well is they are influencers,

796
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 4: and they went from having several thousand followers to you

797
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 4: can imagine every single one of them, and we have

798
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: texts and emails that they all colluded together. But then again,

799
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 4: it all gets down to forgiveness. And I am not

800
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: going to spend the rest of my life harboring unforgiveness.

801
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: So you've forgiven those women, Well, you've forgiven those women.

802
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: I actually feel sorry for them, and I would I

803
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 4: told one of them, both of them, two of them,

804
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: how much you know Jesus loves them.

805
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: How did they respond?

806
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: Not?

807
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: Well, I can only imagine.

808
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: But why not? Why wouldn't you respond? You were right,

809
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: It sounds like you were extending grace, but still it

810
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: wasn't received with grace.

811
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: No, Actually, one of them went to a dinner with

812
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: Army's cousins and actually mocked me for it. But that's

813
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 4: okay because guess what if they mocked Jesus and Jesus

814
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: was ridiculed and mocked and you know, flogged and crucified.

815
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 4: If we're going to stand up for what's right and

816
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: for Jesus's way and his words, why would we expect

817
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 4: any differently? Right, I'm not running a popularity contest, and

818
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 4: if I was, I would not have written hammered because

819
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 4: I'm not running a popularity contest with the world. And

820
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: when I first moved to Beverly Hills, I would go

821
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: around sharing Christ with everybody, and most people weren't open

822
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: to it. So I went and led their housekeepers to Jesus.

823
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: Grand came in Secrets in Paradise.

824
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: Have you watched? What do you think about it? Oh?

825
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 5: My goodness, Wow.

826
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: That's a hell of an endorsement there.

827
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: Well.

828
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 3: I mean, if your grandchildren are on television, your former

829
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, daughter in law is putting her life out there.

830
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: That's given everything that's happened, I can't that's got to

831
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 3: be a tough spot to be in.

832
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: I'm just going to answer it this way. I love

833
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 4: my daughter in law, and I always want a relationship

834
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 4: with my grandchildren and I will never do anything to

835
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: sever those ties.

836
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: Okay, perfect answer, Well, can we get you out of

837
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: here on this? Will you please give some advice counsel

838
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: to everyone who's listening, who's on social media, and they're

839
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: so quick to jump on something that's hot, a hashtag,

840
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: a scandalous story, and one person says it and it

841
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: just goes like wildfire and it has consequences. Your son

842
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: lost a career because of some stuff that started floating

843
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: around on the internet. Can you give any all of

844
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: us what advice or counsel to just maybe take a

845
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: beat from this stuff and not be so quick to

846
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: jump and judge, just given where you're coming from, can

847
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: you give some advice to all of us which you

848
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: would all hope from us?

849
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 4: Well, I think, first of all, social media is dangerous

850
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 4: in many ways. And you know, people put out this

851
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: persona that life's perfect, everything's great, and then it's the

852
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: people that sit at home and they're not happy and

853
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 4: they attack people who they believe are are happy, who

854
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: are happy, I should say, and I think it's really damaging.

855
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 4: And here's what I would say, about it. I remember

856
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 4: that saying growing up as a child, sticks and stones

857
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: may break my bones, but words will never harm me.

858
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 4: I think that is the biggest lie that's ever been fed,

859
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: because I think words are the most cutting things in

860
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 4: the world, and I think we have to remember that

861
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 4: hurt people hurt people. So I think it's people lashing

862
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: out from their own hurt and then trying to tear

863
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 4: down someone else to make them feel better. But instead

864
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 4: of that, I would always give the advice seek God

865
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: and if you don't have hope, ask God to give

866
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 4: you hope instead of tearing down other people, because it

867
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: is very damaging to people to careers, and then you

868
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 4: have to think about the children involved, you know. And

869
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 4: that's one reason why Army wouldn't speak out, is he said,

870
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: you know, the more you speak about it, the more

871
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: it puts it out in the press, and then your

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Speaker 4: children are more damaged by it. So I forgive and

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Speaker 4: let's move on. This is a tough life, right, I

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Speaker 4: always say, this life is not for sissies.

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Speaker 3: You were a mat Drew. Thank you so much. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for writing this book, Hammered, and thank you for

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Speaker 3: being on the podcast. You have just you have filled

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Speaker 3: all of us with hope. Your resilience and your faith

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Speaker 3: is inspiring.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, yeah, of course the book Hammered is

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Speaker 1: out now. I think it comes with a copy of

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Speaker 1: the Bible.

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Speaker 3: I just.

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Speaker 1: Hammered is out now. We want to give people remind

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Speaker 1: you get hope dot Ai. All right, get hope dot Ai.

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Speaker 1: You can check that.

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Speaker 5: Out as well as buy the book.

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Speaker 4: You can buy the book on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles,

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Speaker 4: or on my way website Drewville d R U D

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Speaker 4: I L L E dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We hope to see you back

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Speaker 1: here in New York all. Thank you so much, and folks,

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