1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Happy holidays everyone, and welcome inside with the Insiders alongside 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Judy Batissa and Ian Rapaport, I'm Tom Pellicero. This is 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: a Monday podcast edition of the show. If you are 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: new to this aspect of what we do, it's two 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: part podcast. You also might be watching on fast streaming 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: platforms and on YouTube, in which case it's all in 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: one place. If you're on the podcast, well, there's again 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: multiple parts to this, so we hope that you take 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: in all of it. As usual on Mondays, we dive 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: into everything that we saw from the Sunday that was 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: and today. That means starting out heavily on the injury front, 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: because there was a span of time yesterday when it 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: seemed like superstar players were essentially an endangered species on 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: the field. No injury bigger and no storyline frankly bigger 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: across the NFL. Then Patrick Mahomes suffering a torn acl 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: moments before his replacement, Gardner Minshew throws an interception that 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: seals the Chiefs missing the playoffs. To put that into context, 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: not only had the Chiefs been to three straight Super Bowls, 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: they've been to seven consecutive conference championship games. Every year 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has been the quarterback. They hadn't missed the 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: playoffs since twenty fourteen. Judy, it all comes crashing down 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: on the same day that Patrick Mahomes now suffers an 23 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: injury that potentially could imperil even his availability at the 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: start of training camp at the start of the twenty 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: twenty six NFL season. Take me through all aspects of 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: this from the Chiefs perspective and really more broadly too, 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: what it means for an AFC that they've dominated for 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: the better part of a decade. 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all injuries are terrible. Some are even 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: more terrible than that, and this is one of those. 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: It's always awful when a major star suffers a big injury. 32 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: It's awful for the league, it's awful for all fans, right, 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: I mean, Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are the biggest 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 2: draw in the NFL right now, even bigger than the 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, and so for him to go down is 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: huge and imperil the start off next season, and obviously 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: for them to miss the playoffs is huge because it 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: opens up let's just start with that. It opens up 39 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: the AFC. I mean, who burrows not in it Mahomes 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: is not in it. Josh Allen, it appears, is going 41 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: to be in it, and he is certainly the most 42 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: accomplished of the quarterbacks who are very likely to be 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: in it. We'll see if Lamar and the Ravens make it, 44 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: but the AFC is wide open without Mahomes in there. Listen, 45 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we all watched the Chiefs all season and 46 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: they were never right. The offense was never right. But 47 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: you kept thinking, I kept thinking, he's got They're gonna 48 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: pull this out somehow, right, Like he's gonna he will 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: pull it together. He and Kelsey will do something like 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: they will manage he will drag them on his back 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: into the playoffs. And to have that not happen and 52 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: then you know, to now have this shadow them the 53 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: entire offseason and going into next season, Like, will he 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: be able to run and move the way he has 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: in the first part of his career after an ACL, 56 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean Tom Brady was dominant after 57 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: his ACL injury, but Tom Brady. 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: Was not the same. But it took a year a 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: while exactly. 60 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: It took a while for him to look right and 61 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: he got hurt obviously much earlier in the season than 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: Mahomes did. So certainly you've got to look at now 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six season and say, what's he going 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: to look like and what will he look like, you know, 65 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: going forward for the rest of his career. It's it's 66 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: just such a bummer, such a bumper. 67 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 68 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: The Brady comparison is an interesting one because it does 69 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 4: a little bit feel like, you know, like on all 70 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: the shows, including Game Day Morning, there's the debate of 71 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: like is the Chiefs dynasty over and you could say, like, well, 72 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: you know, are they the dominant team in the AFC? 73 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: They're not, so like is it over? Like maybe? 74 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: But the Patriots have felt like had two dynasties. They 75 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: had like the early one and then they had the one. 76 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 3: So basically it was like dynasty. 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: I showed up to cover him, they had a little 78 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: bit of a break, and then they had the dynasty 79 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 4: again after that, which is you. 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: Know, even during that time they were going to the playoffs, right, 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: I mean you know they they didn't, Yes, right, I 82 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: mean they were going to playoffs and even going to 83 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game. 84 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: Yes, right, that that is true. But they also the 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: year I remember is the two thous. 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I remember all of them, but the twenty 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 4: ten year, which was my first year on the beat, 88 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: and I didn't know anything about Tom Brady. I had 89 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: just been covering Missippi State then Alabama, and I knew 90 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: a little bit about the NFL, but not a ton 91 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: and everyone revered Tom Brady. 92 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: And then he gets there and. 93 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: For the first like six weeks of the season, I 94 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: was kind of like, is this this is it? Like 95 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 4: he looks okay, but he was like a mid level 96 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 4: quarterback at that time, and the stats kind of back 97 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 4: it up and he looked okay. And then you get 98 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 4: into like November and his knee starts getting really fully healthy, 99 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 4: gets back to one hundred percent, and then you're like, 100 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: all right, I get it, And I just wonder if 101 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 4: Mahomes with a similar timeline would sort of face that 102 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 4: same thing. Now, Brady was injured earlier, but obviously had 103 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: a more complicating injury. We think we don't know details 104 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 4: and Mahomes yet, but then went on that like next run, 105 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: and you would hope as the Chiefs reboot, that's kind 106 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 4: of what they're gearing for. It was so interesting for me, 107 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: Tom is like this whole year everyone sort of said 108 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: the same thing, including me, like, yeah, they're probably gonna 109 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: be fine. And we also said about Mahomes like every 110 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 4: time he's down, anytime he had he had a left 111 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: knee injury for like a month, it was. 112 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: Like, he'll probably be fine. 113 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 4: Well, he is not fine, and they are not fine. 114 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 4: And I'm really curious to see where the next step 115 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: is here the. 116 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Tom Brady comparison to if I'm not mistaken, I believe 117 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: the first graft acl graft failed for him. He might 118 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: have used to condemn it. 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: There was a was an infection or an infection. 120 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: But essentially they had to redo the surgery and get 121 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: the kneeback. So that's part of the reason that was 122 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: impacted here. For Patrick Mahomes, he's notoriously been a fast healer. 123 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy who can dislocate. 124 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: It's hardly yeah, right back out there, right. 125 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: I Mean, the dissocated kneecap is probably the most significant one. 126 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: But he's had high ankle springs, He's had all kinds 127 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: of stuff. He just always plays and so you wonder, 128 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's a little older, he's still not old. 129 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: I mean, we just saw forty four year old Philip 130 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: Rivers start a game yesterday, which we'll talk about a 131 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: little bit later on. But he is older in his career, 132 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: and so yeah, how does the body bounce back? Even 133 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: More broadly, though, beyond Patrick Mahomes, you really have to 134 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: wonder what does this Chiefs team look like in twenty 135 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: twenty six. The last time that they, you know, lost 136 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: a big playoff game was against the Bengals back in 137 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty I believe twenty twenty one, right, twenty twenty one. 138 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: After that season was when they decided we need to 139 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: really rebuild the team. They traded Tyreek Hill to clear 140 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of cap space. That was because Tyreek 141 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: had seen the puffed up numbers on a Devonte Adams 142 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: contract and decided he wanted the same amount of money, 143 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: and so then he blew his way. 144 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: I appreciate, I appreciate you left some part of that out. 145 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 4: What Tom means to say is he saw the puffed 146 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: up numbers that I reported on Davante Adams contract, and then. 147 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you reported it was a twenty eight million dollar 148 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: a year deal. It turns out it was twenty two 149 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: million dollars a year in terms of real money so 150 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: then Tyreek wanted thirty and he got a deal in 151 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: Miami that was really twenty five but looked like thirty 152 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: on paper. 153 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 4: And there was the whole generation of receiver contracts that 154 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 4: were puffed up. 155 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: But now they're back to normal anyway. 156 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: Yes, but bottom line, they made a very At the time, 157 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: it was it was a shocky move. I remember when 158 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: we first reported that they were going to trade him, 159 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: and then by the end of the day they'd gone 160 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: back and forth with the Jets and the Dolphins. They 161 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: end up trade him to Miami, but they knew what 162 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I was. 163 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: Doing that day. Do you remember what I was doing 164 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: that day? 165 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: Were you skiing? I'm taking a wild guess? 166 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: No, even better, I was leaving Spike Lee's studio after. 167 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: The documentary that never aired for the. 168 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: Don Kaepernick documentary that never aired. 169 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we're going to leave that right there. 170 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: But that was very intentional because they looked at it 171 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: as we need to rebuild the defense, we need to 172 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: rebuild the offensive line. We can save twenty five million 173 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: dollars a year and get a first round pick and 174 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: more for Tyreek Hill. So that was like a point 175 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: where they went, all right, let's really reboot this thing. 176 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: If you're thinking, Judy about the Chiefs moving forward here, 177 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: you've got certainly a big question about Travis Kelcey, who 178 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: did not look like Travis kelce most of the year. 179 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: The will is still there. I think. I don't think 180 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: that Travis Kelcey has lost the passion to play football, 181 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: but he doesn't look the same. He just doesn't seem 182 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: to have the same burst. He's had dropped passes, He's 183 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: obviously expressed frustration. You have to wonder have we seen 184 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, he's got three games left, but the last 185 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: to Travis Kelcey, you've got Rashid Rice, who's like the 186 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: guy that you want to build around. He's had obviously 187 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: some issues personally that have taken him off the field, 188 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: but he also he didn't play great the last few games. 189 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: You know, he had a bunch of key dropped passes. Defensively, 190 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: us Jones is getting older. My question to you, Judy 191 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: is how deep do you think the changes go for 192 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: the Chiefs in twenty twenty six. Knowing that your core players, 193 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: which has been Kelsey, Mahomes and Chris Jones are all 194 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: getting older and the youngest of the group Mahomes now 195 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: is coming off of a major injury. 196 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think whatever they project Mahomes to be like 197 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, right, whenever he has the surgery, 198 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: and presumably that will tell them and eventually us more 199 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: about how long the recovery is going to be, right, 200 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: how bad is the injury, what's going to be involved? 201 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: That you would think. 202 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: Would sort of shape their approach to the off season. Now, 203 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: Kelsey is a separate thing, Right, is he going to retire? 204 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: You know, that's a separate issue. You're right, though many 205 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: many other of their star players did not look the 206 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: way they should have been looking this year. Chris Jones 207 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: had games where you know, you didn't hear his name, 208 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: he was not a fact. Or Rashie Rice is we've 209 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: obviously gone over that. So they have big decisions at huge, 210 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: huge positions. And I think, whenever we learn about what 211 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: Mahomes is going to look like in twenty twenty six, 212 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: if twenty twenty six is going to be like, listen, 213 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: we're not going to have Patrick Mahomes for the entire 214 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: first month of the season. He's not going to be right. 215 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: We know it takes players generally time when they have 216 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: major injuries to work their way back into form. Do 217 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: they I'm not saying that they take a pass on 218 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, but you know, do they say like, 219 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: all right, this is I don't want to put it 220 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: that way, but like a rebuilding trying to reboot. 221 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Yes, this is to kind of have a transition here. 222 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: You can still try, but without course kind of leveraging 223 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: everything that the same way that they have right like. 224 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: They're you know, they are probably not going to look 225 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: at twenty twenty six and say we're we're this close. 226 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: We're going to go for it, you know, if Mahomes 227 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: comes out of the surgery and they know Mahomes is 228 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: not going to be himself at the start of the season. 229 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: So a team that is still in playoff position, although 230 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: they dropped to the seven seed yesterday, I and the 231 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Packers also suffer as big of an injury as you're 232 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: going to get for a non quarterback in the NFL. Michaeh. 233 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Parsons goes down in that game. You could tell based 234 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: on his reaction. You could tell, based on how the 235 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: knee bent on what looked like an otherwise normal step, 236 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: that this was something really serious. We now have confirmation 237 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: he's out for the season. He's also going to be 238 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: pushing up against twenty twenty six, but more immediately, green 239 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: Bay is in the thick of this thing. Just tell 240 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: me what we know of Mike's injury, just kind of 241 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: the impact on green Bay moving forward. 242 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, first of all, you could you know, 243 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: you want to wait for the MRI to figure out 244 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: what's wrong, but that was one you could tell pretty quickly. 245 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: I mean the camera zoom is then on his face 246 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 4: and he says, I'm out, I'm out. 247 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what That's what it looked like. He knew. 248 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 4: MRI has confirmed it is a torn acl you know, 249 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: he'll have surgery as soon as is possible and as 250 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 4: soon as is healthy, which as we know, is not 251 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 4: always right away. And he is out for nine months 252 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 4: or more so similar time on as mahomes, except different positions, 253 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: so maybe an even more challenging timeline. You know, that 254 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 4: puts him right at the start of September. Could he 255 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 4: miss the start of the season as he gets fully healthy. 256 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: For sure he could. 257 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: Now he posts posts on Twitter, you know, the the 258 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: lion picture with word September, which is awesome, and he 259 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: should absolutely keep shooting for that. 260 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: We know that is not always reality. 261 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: And I will say this, and this is I don't 262 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 4: really do very many hot takes. 263 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 3: It's not really my thing. 264 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 4: I always thought that the Packers didn't need Micah Parsons. 265 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: They got him, and he's awesome, but I don't know 266 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: that they need him. He was more a luxury for 267 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: this really good defense. I still think they're going to 268 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 4: be very good. I think the offense is getting better, 269 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 4: not worse, with the weapons that they have that are 270 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: kind of in the mix a little bit. I think 271 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 4: Green Bay is going to be okay. Not much of 272 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 4: a hot take, but I don't. I don't know, Judy 273 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: that this takes me off. Like the Packers are Super 274 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: Bowl contender. 275 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: It stings. 276 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 4: They're gonna have to get it from other places. But 277 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: I do think they're going to be okay. 278 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: Right, They're going to have to generate pressure from other places. 279 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: Now, Yes, I think. 280 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think they're going to make the 281 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: playoffs for sure. Can they Can they make a very 282 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: deep run in the NFC without Michael Parsons? 283 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: I don't. 284 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: I don't know that I feel as confident about that 285 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: as as you do. Like I'm not sure. I feel 286 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: very confident about them, you know, taking down the Rams 287 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: or the Seahawks or whoever. 288 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: It's going to be. 289 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: Without their superstar pass rusher, it's going to put and 290 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: it's going to put the onus on the defense to 291 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: come up with ways to generate pressure, and it's going 292 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: to put the onus on the offense to score score 293 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: score score score. 294 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: Uh you know that is That's what it's going to be. 295 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: Jeff Affley's got to earn his paycheck. I mean, he's 296 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: been one of the best defensive coordinators in the league. 297 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: Now you're kind of going back to where you were before. 298 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: So it is gonna be on you know, the likes 299 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: of Sean Gary, Lucas van Ness, who's finally re I 300 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: mean it's been a brutal season for him. But the 301 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: way that they can use him inside and outside, you 302 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: know some of that, you know half of They'll have 303 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: a plan. This is obviously not ideal in any regard. 304 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: They did also real quick too. Ian Christian Watson reported 305 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: not a serious injury, which is big because Watson impacts 306 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: a lot of different things in terms of how they 307 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: play offense. Fot. 308 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he is like, definitely one of my 309 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: favorite players and one of the most fun to watch. 310 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 4: He goes down with another injury and you're like, oh 311 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: my god, Seriously, he was just out for like half 312 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: the year, so. 313 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be okay. 314 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: Well he played this week, I'm not sure, but it 315 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 4: was described to me as more day to day than 316 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 4: anything else, which, considering what it looked like and the 317 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: fact that they're going to need him, very very helpful. 318 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: And it's a short week Saturday against the Paars, a 319 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: rematch thirteen days after Green Bay got the win at 320 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: lambeau Field. So we'll see about the turnaround on watch. Well, 321 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: i'll see the turnaround of Adams. Rams played Thursday night 322 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: against Seattle, maybe the biggest Thursday night game of all time. 323 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to speak in hyperbole. You can 324 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: see when he grabbed the hamstring, it looked really bad. 325 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: But Sean McVay said DeVante was optimistic after the game. 326 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Hard to imagine you're playing four days after a legit 327 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: hamstring poll like it looked like here, but sounds like 328 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: some optimism. He may not be out in the long term. 329 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: We'll be back with more from the insiders. 330 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: The Rams became the first team in the NFC to 331 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: punch their playoff ticket yesterday. The Broncos, by virtue of 332 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: that win over the eventually Michael Parsons list Packers became 333 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: the first AFC team to get in. And beyond that, 334 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Judy I would fairly say we have relative chaos across 335 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: the count even in the AFC West. The Broncos still 336 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: have not wrapped it up. The Chargers right now are 337 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: just a couple of games back still times with three 338 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: weeks to go. Just to run down the various things 339 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: that happened yesterday. So the Broncos beat the Packers, it's 340 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: just the AFC rally from twenty one points down to 341 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: beat the Patriots in. 342 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: That was crazy. 343 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: As big of a regular season win as you're going 344 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: to get through the course of the season. We know 345 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: the Bills are beating the Chiefs in the past, but 346 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: this was for their own division that they are the 347 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: perennial winners. This would have been it. Patriots would have 348 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: clinched the division instead, all of a sudden, it's competitive. 349 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: You had Jayguars and Texans winning. You had the Chargers 350 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: of course eliminating the Chiefs. The Ravens shut out the 351 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: Bengals to stay afloat. They're a half game back entering 352 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Monday Night football as we record this. And then you 353 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: have the Colts who are still alive with some big 354 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: games to go, including Monday Night against the forty nine 355 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: ers with Philip Rivers at quarterback. Judy, you sign it up. 356 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: You're looking at the standings right here. What do you 357 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: make right now in the state of the AFC? 358 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: Just pandemonium? Pandemonium. The first of all, the Broncos impressed 359 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: me because they came back from a deficit. Their defense 360 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: has been at that top, top level that it had 361 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: been earlier in the season in the last few weeks. 362 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: But the offense has picked it up. Bone Nix played 363 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: his best. 364 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Game I think as a pro yesterday. 365 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: I think we can say so they're sort of coming 366 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: along on the offensive side of the ball, which was 367 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: what my concern was about them, you know, six weeks ago, 368 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: but of course everything changes in the NFL from week 369 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: to week, so six weeks is a lifetime ago. So 370 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: but I mean, the Bills come back on the Patriots, 371 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: I was like, what the heck is going out? First 372 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: of all, when they went down twenty one nothing. I 373 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: thought like, Wow, the Patriots are awesome, and then oh, 374 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: this took a turn, so that. 375 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: Was I guess. 376 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: I still expect the Patriots to win the division, but 377 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 2: that was a really impressive victory by the Bills. 378 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: Can we talk? 379 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: Are we going to talk about Philip Rivers? Because that 380 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: was just the favorite story of the week. 381 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 3: He was fine, He was fine. 382 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 2: All the people who predicted doom and he was going 383 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: to die out there and this is a good okay. 384 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: But hold on now, hold fine is a relative term. 385 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: I give Shane styke In a ton of credits for 386 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: the game plan. He is avery time a rusher got through. 387 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: I was stressed out? Can I there is why? Let 388 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: me explain why? Because a lot of the people commenting 389 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: on sports, for better or worse, are middle aged, and 390 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: I think all of us can imagine, all right, what 391 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: if we went out there? 392 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 3: Would we make it? 393 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 4: And so I really think Judy that was all the 394 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 4: commentary was like, Hey, Philip Rivers is my age. If 395 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 4: I had to go face the SEATA pastors, I might die, 396 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 4: So therefore he might die. 397 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: But I was struck by the number of former players, 398 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: So former NFL players who know exactly what NFL players 399 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: feel like on the day after a game. They were 400 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: the ones who were saying, this is going to be 401 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: a disaster. There is no way this is going to work. 402 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: He's not going to make it off the field. So yes, 403 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: I agree. Every time a rusher got anywhere near him, 404 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you know, it was fine. He 405 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: put them in position to win the game, right. He 406 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: made the most important pass of the day was that 407 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: third down pass to get them into field goal range 408 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: to give them the lead, which they then seated. I mean, 409 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: he was fine. I don't know what's going to happen 410 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: in the next few weeks, whatever. It was good for him, 411 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: and I loved his comments after the game about like 412 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: take a chance, like you know, like what are you 413 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: doing sitting on the couch. 414 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: Just he got better too as the game went off. 415 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: First driver to it just kind of looked like he 416 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: was aiming the ball and guiding it. By the end, 417 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: it was Philip Rivers. Let it rip now again when 418 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: there'd be a rusher and he'd kind of take those 419 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: two steps backward like, oh my god, get the ball 420 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: out of my hands. Now. Those are the ones that 421 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: make you nervous. You know, I think he averaged like 422 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: four yards and change per attempt. It wasn't like he 423 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: was goind it, but that was never going to be 424 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: the case. It was get us in the right play 425 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: the first two Snapsey and from scrimmage you see Philip 426 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: moving somebody in motion, adjusting and to hand off to 427 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. He's doing those things at the line of 428 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: scrimmage that you trust him to do. You can put 429 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: all on his plate. He just can't ask him to 430 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: drop back thirty five forty times and go win you 431 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: a game, all right. 432 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: I have three things to say. 433 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 4: One, I remember when I went to visit the San 434 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: Diego Chargers and I ended up meeting Frank Reich for 435 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: the first time, and. 436 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: We spent a half hour in his office. 437 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 4: And the whole conversation was on how Philip Rivers was 438 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 4: the best he has ever seen in understanding protection, that 439 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 4: he was the best, and he explained to me, it's like, 440 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: here's what this means, and he went in detail about 441 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 4: like why Rivers, with his like amazing brain, is so 442 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 4: good at understanding where rushers are coming from and how 443 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: the offensive lineman will adjust. And I thought about that 444 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 4: this week because like that's the most important thing, basically, 445 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: make sure he doesn't die. And he did, and I 446 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 4: thought he kept himself out of harm's way, and I 447 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 4: thought he was really good. And my guests, without really knowing, 448 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 4: is that he probably starts again. 449 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: Although I wouldn't hate to see Riley Leonard just because 450 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 3: it'd be interesting. 451 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 4: But certainly put them in position enough to win, almost 452 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 4: almost got it done. I also underestimated how mainstream the 453 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 4: reaction to his story would be, Like people who aren't 454 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 4: football fans last night were like, I gotta watch the 455 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 4: end of Rivers game like that was I thought that 456 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 4: was a very cool thing. And that's like anytime you 457 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 4: can bring this world into like the bigger world, I 458 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: think that's really awesome. And then finally on your what 459 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 4: Judy said about the Bills, I always think the absolute 460 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: worst thing you could ever do is get up on 461 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: the Bills because when Josh Allen gets. 462 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: Seriously, they get up twenty or nothing. 463 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: And the first thing I thought I should I don't 464 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 4: tweet during games really my thoughts, but like I should 465 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 4: have tweeted like the Bills got him right where they 466 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 4: want him, because that was my thought. It's like when 467 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 4: they can let loose and play free, and he just 468 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 4: gets to be Superman. 469 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 3: He is like the best player in the NFL. 470 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: Back to Rivers and the Colts really quickly here. So 471 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: they've got San Francisco at home on Monday night. They 472 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: then played Jacksonville and he Houston. There is like a 473 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: realistic path for them to still get in the Seattle game. 474 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: Could they be nine and eight and still get in. 475 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean, let's say, realistically, you need to you need 476 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: to run the table. I think that realistically, just based 477 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: upon where the tiebreakers are, what you would need to do, 478 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: getting to eleven is the safest is the safest spot. 479 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the teams up above them here. 480 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: You can't count on a wild card. You got to 481 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: hope that the Jaguars lose a game and the Texans 482 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: lose a game, and you run the table and you 483 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: can potentially win the division because again you've got you've 484 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: got both those teams still on your schedule. You also 485 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: lost to both those teams the first time around, so 486 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: it becomes it becomes a complicated type of a calculus. 487 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: But as much as that game it would have been 488 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: nice to get it as like a you know, it's 489 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: almost like a Yesterday was the house money game Judy, 490 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: where all right, if you win that game, then all right, 491 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: you're you know, you're a great say wow, that was amazing, 492 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: But that game was always all right, let's get Philip 493 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: Rivers feet wet. Now Monday night football against the forty 494 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: nine ers. This is potentially the catalyst for them to 495 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: get this thing rolling moving forward. Meanwhile, the Ravens shut 496 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: out the Bengals, which there's a lot of layers to it. 497 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: I thought Draymond Jones made a comment about basically it 498 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: was too cold for him out there. That becomes a 499 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: real thing this time of year where maybe some teams 500 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: that don't have as good of a playoff shot might 501 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: just not want to be on the field as much. 502 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call this a get right game for the Ravens, 503 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: but it certainly was good for them to show on 504 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: defense that they're capable of putting together that type of 505 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: performance because Baltimore's defense this entire year has been a 506 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: dart throw in terms of what you're getting from week 507 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: to week. 508 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that has to be a feel good game for 509 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: the Ravens coming out of that. For the Bengals, like 510 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: first of all, what a weird week for the Bengals, 511 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: and like, obviously that performance did absolutely nothing to make 512 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: the week better or to make this upcoming week any 513 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: better either, right, I mean, Joe Burrow sundce tortured and miserable, 514 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: and you know, then he gets up there last night 515 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: and says, like, you know, like the worst game he's 516 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 2: ever played, and no team could have possibly won if 517 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: I were playing quarterback for them, I mean, why do 518 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: they have some work to do in Cincinnati? But that 519 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: was a shock. I mean for Joe Burrow, the team 520 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: with that much talent, that much offensive talent, to be 521 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: shut out, even though the playoffs you know, were such 522 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: a distant idea for them still to be shut out 523 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: at home with Joe Burrow playing quarterback is astonishing to me. 524 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe. I was not watching much of that 525 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: game because I was watching other games, But every time 526 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 2: I looked at that score, I was like, what, you know. 527 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: At one point I checked, like, is Burrow out of 528 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 2: the game? Is he healthy? 529 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? T Higgins is a good player, and he makes 530 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: a difference, but he shouldn't make that big of a difference. 531 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: You Well. 532 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: The thing, the thing that I always think about we've 533 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: seen so many examples this year, is practice really matters? 534 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 4: Like Joe Burrow is the best and he's been good, 535 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 4: but yesterday really was and like it's so hard to 536 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 4: just miss two months, jump back in and be like, 537 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 4: all right, we're just going to go to the playoffs. 538 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: I think he expected that, which is sort of like 539 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 4: my senses. That's why he made some of those comments. 540 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 4: It's like, all right, I'm going to save the day. 541 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 4: And then when he didn't save the. 542 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 3: Day, it's like, all right, why didn't I do all that? 543 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 4: You know, It's like it's I'm sure mentally it's very hard, 544 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 4: but like practice matters, and like it's really hard to 545 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 4: be really good, and they are not good, and it's 546 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: going to. 547 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: Be an interesting offseason in Cincinnati. 548 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: I was I was, honestly not that we should be 549 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: surprised by the reaction to anything, but I was a 550 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: little surprised by the reaction of Joe Burrow's comments. It's like, 551 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: how do you expect him to feel If every year 552 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: we talk about Maholmes is going to have a long 553 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: rehab process, Burrow does it every year. 554 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: Every year. 555 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: Every year he's dealing with this and then he comes 556 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: back and they're losing, and it's you're trying to hey, 557 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: we can be the scrappy team that's four and eight 558 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: and slides into the playoffs, like you don't want to 559 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: live there, Judy. 560 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: And also like, don't I appreciate his candor? He is 561 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: one of the most reserved, guarded That's what you want 562 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: we will ever come across. He's also one of the 563 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: smartest players you'll ever come across. You want those moments 564 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: of candor where he's telling you what he's really feeling, 565 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: because he doesn't do it often, and he gave you 566 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: a window into what he is thinking. You want that, 567 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: And for people, I agree, the reaction was sort of 568 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: like almost mocking him, like, oh, you know, he's struggling. 569 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: It's like, are you kidding, Like listen to him, like 570 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: listen to what he's saying and take it seriously. 571 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: Yes, precisely. 572 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: Uh. 573 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: And by the way, as we're talking to Shane Sage 574 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: did confirm not that there was really any question. Philip 575 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: Rivers starts Monday night against the forty nine Ers, which 576 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: means we get that on National TV next week. All right, 577 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: if you are watching on the NFL channel on fast 578 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: streaming platforms. You're watching on YouTube, stay right here. If 579 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: you are listening on the podcast, go over to Park two. 580 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: We'll talk NFC playoff, picture, and a whole lot more 581 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: over there for Ian and Judy. I'm Tom will see it.