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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. Welcome to Cleveland Brown's Daily season review show,

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Speaker 1: your Cleveland Browns on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are

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Speaker 1: your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Alright, let's you a live season review edition of Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Brown's Daily. I am merely Bo, he is the great z.

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Speaker 2: This one won't be as fun as previous season review

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Speaker 2: programs that we've done, But in order to fix our

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Speaker 2: mistakes going forward, we must first look to the past

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Speaker 2: and a season, my friend, that began with so much

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Speaker 2: promise and it took a while for it to be

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Speaker 2: totally derailed, but inevitably.

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Speaker 3: Was in stunning fashion. I mean, this was I've been

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Speaker 3: doing this program since twenty thirteen, the twenty thirteen season

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Speaker 3: with Cleveland Browns, and this was easily the most disappointing

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Speaker 3: season that I've been a part of, and yes that

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Speaker 3: includes oh and sixteen because quite frankly, that year we

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Speaker 3: were not supposed to be good, no, and so there

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Speaker 3: weren't hopes that the season could be something grand. Well,

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Speaker 3: this year we were supposed to be good. You're bringing

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Speaker 3: back all the principles from a team that had gone

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Speaker 3: eleven and six the year before it made a big playoff. Friend,

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Speaker 3: you'd say, well, you're not bringing back Joe flaccoh Yes,

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Speaker 3: because Deshaun Watson was going to be back and healthy.

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Speaker 3: Watson was five and one as a starter of the

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Speaker 3: year before. You're brought in Ken Dorsey. It was going

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Speaker 3: to reshape the offense to his strengths, and we were

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Speaker 3: going to be off and running right. And you got

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Speaker 3: you brought back the number one defense basically in its entirety. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you thought that it was going to be it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Zadarius and Shelby sat here, Rodney Mcloud's at here,

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Speaker 3: they said, oh we have You know, we wanted to

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Speaker 3: come back. We felt like after that Ravens game, there

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Speaker 3: was unfinished business and we were ready to make a

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Speaker 3: big run at you know, not just the division but

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Speaker 3: the Lombardi So to go three and fourteen, Yeah, after

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Speaker 3: that was stunning And obviously some changes have already been made.

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Speaker 3: Offensive line coach the offensive coordinator who I referenced earlier,

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Speaker 3: Ken Dorsey, both relieved of their duties.

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Speaker 4: But it.

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Speaker 3: Was a catastrophically disappointing season. And really there was no

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Speaker 3: scenario in my mind in which I could have come

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Speaker 3: up with this football team going three and fourteen. When

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Speaker 3: you think about the fact that you played the Jags,

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Speaker 3: who picked in the top six, right, the Raiders, the Giants,

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Speaker 3: and you have one and two against them now, and

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Speaker 3: that if you had said to me, with our schedule,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna beat the Steelers and Ravens at home, that's right.

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Speaker 3: What's our record? Three and fourteen is unfathomable.

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Speaker 2: No, No, there was. I mean, and I remember that

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Speaker 2: I can't remember which National NFL guy it was, but

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Speaker 2: who really liked the under on us? And I think

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Speaker 2: the under was seven and a half this year, and

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Speaker 2: we're like, well, that's impos It seems impossible, impossible for

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Speaker 2: that to happen. I will say that there was one

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Speaker 2: of the things that I always look forward to, you know,

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Speaker 2: in terms of the training camp. Part of it is

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Speaker 2: when you get that practice with another team. And while

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Speaker 2: before we got into camp there was a sense of hey,

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Speaker 2: let's go let's go win the Super Bowl. There were

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Speaker 2: some cracks in the offensive approach in that camp against Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: We just weren't as Chris totally, and that second day, especially,

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Speaker 2: their defense really made it difficult for us to do

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Speaker 2: anything offensively. And we talked in camp about, boy, something's

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Speaker 2: not right, Like it feels like we're constantly under pressure,

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Speaker 2: under duress, Deshaun constantly under pressure, under duress. So there

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen in September, yes.

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Speaker 3: But it would turn out that Minnesota was one of

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Speaker 3: the best saction generating eithers in the league. You certainly

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Speaker 3: didn't come out of those joint practices now, I know.

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Speaker 3: Diana Rossini went on to say that she thought we

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that I thought that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: It was just this isn't quite as well oiled as

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Speaker 3: Be at Defensively, but defensively we were.

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Speaker 2: Offensively they were, but we also the other thing there

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Speaker 2: So there were a lot of factors to that, but

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Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, that's not as crisp as we

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Speaker 2: to be before all of it started, it hoped would

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Speaker 3: There's like one decent red zone period. Other than that,

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Speaker 3: it was it felt like a jail break to the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that was that was a little eye opening,

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Speaker 3: But that still didn't feel like not this, not this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were the statistic we didn't score twenty

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Speaker 3: we were doing things on a historically feudal level. Historically

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Speaker 3: like out of twelve hundred teams, we were eleven and ninety. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It was an offensive issue from the beginning. It was

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Speaker 2: I think when you look back on this, because of

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Speaker 2: the uncertainty around Deshaun Watson's future and just from the

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Speaker 2: on is is, boy, that is the third year of

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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson, the second year with a catastrophic injury that

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Speaker 2: ends the season, and a year ago that injury happened

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Speaker 2: the couch who resuscitated a season, and this season we

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Speaker 3: No, we did not have that in us unfortunately. And

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Speaker 3: we had, you know, some signs of life from Jamis.

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Speaker 3: But you know, once we got the first half of

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Speaker 3: the season, we were feudal, but we didn't really turn

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Speaker 3: then even into Bailey z Appy and with Jamis you

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Speaker 3: had some explosive games, but then turnovers just derailed you.

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Speaker 3: You know, from the time that Jamis became the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I think the only game in which we did not

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Speaker 3: other than that, it was just every week two and

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Speaker 3: the first stretch there it was three every week giveaways. Yep,

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Speaker 2: No, there were some bright spots Miles, certainly, Denzel Ward

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Speaker 2: thought second half of the year, our offensive line came along,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Judy goes to his first Pro Bowl career high

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Speaker 3: It's the Browns franchise record for most catches in a

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Speaker 3: was great. Miles becomes the first player ever with fourteen

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Speaker 3: youngest player ever ever to or because the first player

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth birthday. Does it literally a week before his

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth birthday. The last chance he had, Judy, by

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Speaker 3: the way, was number one interceptions in a single season

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Speaker 3: by a Brown, Number five in receiving yards in a

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Speaker 3: single season by a Cleveland Brown, trailing only Josh Gordon,

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Speaker 3: Bridlan Edwards, Mark Cooper, and Webster Slaughter. In nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 3: Denzel played at an all pro level. But it's weird.

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Speaker 3: He had nineteen passes defense that felt like with six

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Speaker 3: seven games, say Week twelve, it felt like yeah, and

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Speaker 3: All Pro this season. Definitely got a little bit of

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Speaker 3: got the couple of picks. He's the only corner since

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Speaker 3: he's entered the league in twenty eighteen to have seven

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Speaker 3: straight seasons with ten passes defense and two picks in

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Speaker 3: each of the first seven seasons, he was great. The

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Speaker 3: line got better. Corey Bejorkeez was a bright spot I

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Speaker 3: thought for the team this season, which you don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: want your punter to be a bright spot. You saw

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Speaker 3: young guys develop like Isaiah Maguire. You saw Alex Right

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Speaker 3: to go for next year. You saw Mamud dia bat

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Speaker 3: to really kind of rejuvenate his career. Here, Ronnie Hickman

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Speaker 3: even as we talk about it right now, it still

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Speaker 3: seems crazy three or fourteen. I mean, you know, we

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Speaker 3: that's the other thing that's so strange about it. You know,

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Speaker 3: you lose to the Cowboys by sixteen, you lose to

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Speaker 3: to the Eagles by four, lose the Bengals by seven.

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Speaker 3: So that was the beginning part of the season. And

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Speaker 3: that's the end of Deshaun Watson. So you actually were

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Speaker 3: more competitive there than it turns out you ended up being,

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Speaker 3: because then you lose the Chargers by seventeen, the Saints

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Speaker 3: I mean when you do.

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Speaker 2: It, nine games of nine points or more margin.

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Speaker 3: And eight of significant double did you know two scores?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You Also, the other thing that we had this

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Speaker 2: j okay, there's still wild uncertainty. So there was a

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Speaker 2: This was one of those years where you just quite

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Speaker 6: I would I would tell fans, and there were look,

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Speaker 6: could always stun you, and somebody could offer them a

431
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 6: herschel Walker deal and RG three deal, and someone can

432
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Speaker 6: go up to one and take the guy that you want.

433
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Speaker 6: The draft is a highly unpredictable thing. But when I

434
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Speaker 6: Andrew Berry on the podcast last week, I said to

435
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 6: him point blank, Hey, the thought for most people is

436
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 6: go sign a guy in March and draft a guy

437
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 6: and those are your two guys with whom you remake

438
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 6: your quarterback room. Is that your thinking? And understandably he

439
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 6: didn't want to say yes. He said, we got a

440
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 6: lot of options. I mean, look, you're not gonna I

441
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 6: know sometimes people are frustrated with evasive answers from general managers,

442
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 6: but they're not going to go, yes, we're signing a

443
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 6: starter on March twelfth, and we fully intend to draft

444
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 6: a quarterback at two. The time between now and the

445
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 6: start of the draft is we call in the NFL

446
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 6: Network newsroom like lying season, Like if GM's are talking,

447
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 6: they're lying. I'm not saying Andrew's lying. You guys know that.

448
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 6: But as we get closer and closer to the draft,

449
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 6: you know, there's only so much guys want to say.

450
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 6: They're all playing poker, right, everyone's talking, yep. No one

451
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 6: wants to No one wants to truly play their hand.

452
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 6: You can have a guy like Chris Ballard is going

453
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 6: into his ninth season, who every single year gets on

454
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 6: the podium and pounds his chest and pounds his table

455
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 6: and gets close to tears and say it's all my fault,

456
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 6: you know, But they haven't found their quarterback either. You know.

457
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Speaker 2: I think the question for Andrew Berry, and the one

458
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: that I think if you were hooked up to a

459
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: lie detector, he would answer with the resounding yes, is

460
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: if you were to phrase the question, by the time

461
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: this offseason is over, will you have the answer to

462
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: quarterback or the pursuit of a quarterback at the Cleveland Browns.

463
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: I think the answer to that has to be a

464
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: resounding yes. I don't think you can go through this

465
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: offseason waiting for next offseason and next year's draft. I

466
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: think they have to have Okay, this is our path

467
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: at quarterback for the next three to five and hopefully

468
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: five to ten that has to be sorted out this summer.

469
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: That path has to be mapped.

470
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Speaker 6: I totally agree with you. Bo I would also offer this,

471
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 6: this is not a great quarterback class. Now we've seen

472
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 6: guys come out of nowhere and all of a sudden

473
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 6: become a franchise change. Right, But if this organization doesn't

474
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 6: think that either of the top two guys in this

475
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 6: draft truly are generational transformational talents, although I think we

476
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 6: overused generational, then what then you have to go find

477
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 6: a bridge and wait until next year. Mike Coalmin was

478
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 6: just on the podium, and he said he doesn't want

479
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 6: to commit to any of the guys in the room,

480
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 6: but you know, yes he could bring either of them back.

481
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 6: Meeting Russell or just Field and So said, hey, don't

482
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 6: you guys kind of feel like you're in no man's land.

483
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 6: You're good enough to make the playoffs, but not bad

484
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 6: enough to be the top of the draft and get

485
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Speaker 6: a quarterback. And he said, I don't think that's the case.

486
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 6: I don't buy that. Lamar Jackson was the thirty second

487
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 6: pick in the draft, and what's the name? Jalen Hurts

488
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 6: was picked in the second round. Now, there aren't many

489
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: second round quarterbacks these days. Jalen Hurts is an outlier

490
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 6: that actually do anything. Most of the quarterbacks who you

491
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 6: think have a chance get pushed up into the first round,

492
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Speaker 6: like the idea, oh we got I get a guy

493
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Speaker 6: in a second or third round, like, hi, desn't the

494
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 6: river Line one. It just doesn't happen that often. Now,

495
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott was that guy. He's the outlier. But there

496
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 6: just aren't many of those guys. Kirk Cousins was one,

497
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 6: but that was a decade.

498
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Speaker 3: Ago, long time plus.

499
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so I mean we do have to keep

500
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Speaker 6: our mind open to the possibility that neither of these guys,

501
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 6: if we call them cam Warden Shoud or Sanders at

502
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 6: the top two guys are game changers. They might be,

503
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 6: but I mean cam Ward started add incarnate word, and

504
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 6: before that he was in as he was at high

505
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 6: school in Houston where they were throwing it twenty times

506
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 6: a season.

507
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also you know, the pushback I would have

508
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: for that is, I don't know if anybody going into

509
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: last year's draft thought Bonnicks would be quarterback on a

510
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: playoff team. And when we were at the combine, you

511
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: were there with us. The gap between Caleb the gap

512
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: between Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels was the Grand Canyon.

513
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: There wasn't anybody over there who was like, oh, yeah,

514
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: this is close, like Jayden might go number one. It

515
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: was none of that. It was Caleb and then a

516
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: huge gap. So yeah, there's no certainty in this. The

517
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: one thing that is a certainty if you look at

518
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: the NFL playoffs and the eight teams that are left,

519
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: the only second round pick in the bunch is Jalen Hurts.

520
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: Everybody else was a one first round and you got.

521
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Speaker 2: Two of them were one overall, two of them were

522
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Speaker 2: number two overall. What was almost tenth tenth, tenth Allen

523
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: was what sixth I think somewhere in there, fifth, seventh,

524
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: and then Lamar at the end of the first. So like,

525
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: there's guys, and you got to find him.

526
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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm with you, and I look, if you're gonna

527
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 6: ask the question, do you have to take one? My opinion, yes,

528
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 6: but you know, I know there have been organizations over

529
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 6: the years that go, all right, we take this guyot By,

530
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 6: we have to take him, but I'm not really sure.

531
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 6: So you know it happens.

532
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Speaker 3: Kind of that line is the right one on this Well,

533
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: all I'm saying is, and I don't care if you

534
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: pick him at two or not. But the fact that

535
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: we're picking second in this draft, and I'm not saying

536
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: I have the answer or what how to connect the

537
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: dots to that, but we shouldn't be picking here ever

538
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: again unless it's with somebody else's pick. Right this pick,

539
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: and being where we are, this asset has to turn

540
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: into that quarterback and not say that that quarterback then

541
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: has the success, but it has to turn into a

542
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: legitimate swing at the future quarterback and forranchise quarterback of

543
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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 6: I just I totally agree with you. I totally agree

545
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 6: with you. We bear though a couple of years ago

546
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 6: they they turned a top five pick into number one

547
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 6: by trading out one year and then ending up with

548
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 6: Carolina's number one of the year because they.

549
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: Had had Fields who they thought was their guy, right right,

550
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: they had Fields. We unfortunately we don't have a field now.

551
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: We could have justin Fields. That's another story for another day.

552
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: But that's just my sense of it. And here's the

553
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: other thing. It's one thing I think if you have

554
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: an organization where you are let's say you're the Patriots,

555
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: or you are led by just not even the page

556
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: because they have Vrabel, but you're led by a defensive coach,

557
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: that that is the leader of your organization. All of that.

558
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: We'reattle were led. Seattle were led by a two time

559
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: coach of the Year for what he does as a

560
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: play caller and an offensive designer. We're hiring a brand

561
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator, which very well could be Tommy Reese

562
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: or Clint Kubiak, would be my guests of the top

563
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: two candidates. Their job, in essence is to get the

564
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: most out of whatever talent you think exists in that position.

565
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: And so there has to be a scenario in which

566
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: there is somebody in this draft that will be available

567
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: at pick number two that the Browns have to feel

568
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: like Kevin Stefanski and Tommy Reese or Clint Kubiak or

569
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: whomever the OC ends up being can get this guy

570
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: to be that guy because if they if they can't,

571
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: And I know Mo Pedman's cousin has raised a similar

572
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: type of thought that has questions to it, right, Like,

573
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: the whole goal in this league is to get the

574
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: best out of the quarterback, because if you don't have that.

575
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Speaker 3: To your point, we're talking about where these guys are

576
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: drafted and the way that the quarterbacks are playing that

577
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: of the teams that are left, with the exception of

578
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: maybe C. J. Stroud has not been liked out all year,

579
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 3: but then the AFC Mahomes over the second half has

580
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: been lights out. And by the way, give them plenty

581
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: of they weren't losing either, no, and anytime he needed

582
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: to make a drive he did, and then Allen and

583
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: Lamar are playing at the best quarterbacks the league. On

584
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: the other side, he got Jared goff left, you got

585
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: Stafford left, who's won a Super Bowl?

586
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

587
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: And who are you got Hurts who's been to a

588
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: super Bowl? And they're playing Daniels, who is the second

589
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: overall pick, who's playing unbelievable football as a rookie. But

590
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: they're all primo with the exception of of Hurts. Doesn't

591
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: that we've got to be able to there's there's not

592
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: only one guy in college football. And you mentioned cam

593
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: Ward cam Warden last year you said this, and you're

594
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: a college football and it's more plugged in twenty four

595
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: than he was in twenty three. Wouldn't have been drafted.

596
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: No.

597
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: So, whether it's maybe you fall in love with the

598
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart, maybe it's certainly not al or after that performance,

599
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question he's not ready to

600
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: come out and he's not gonna come out. Whether it's Shador,

601
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: who a lot of people all along thought was gonna

602
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: be one of the top picks in this draft, there's

603
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: got to be somebody that you can work with here,

604
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 3: because until you get that, right, Andrew, I feel like

605
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: nothing else really matters. Like if you trade down, you

606
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: get an offensive tackle. Okay, is that gonna help you

607
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: beat Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow twice a year.

608
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 6: No, no, look, we're totally on the same page here.

609
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 6: I can't see this as being the trade down and in

610
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 6: the twenties and take Alex Mack draft. I cannot. I

611
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 6: can't see that. By the way, that was a great pick,

612
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 6: Alex Mack. You know, borderline Hall of Famer. You gotta

613
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 6: find your guy. I also asked, you know Ab last week,

614
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 6: are you of the mind that if you think the quarterback,

615
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 6: whomever this guy is in certain name here is the

616
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 6: guy that it doesn't matter where you take him, even

617
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 6: if you're picking two, you just hand him the card,

618
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 6: you know. I go back to the Giants and everyone

619
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 6: rips Dave Gedtleman for taking Daniel Jones and then waiting

620
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 6: until seventeen to take Dexter Lawrence, who turned out to

621
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 6: be the far better pick. But I'm totally with d Getleman.

622
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 6: It's like, if you think the quarterback is the guy,

623
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 6: now he was wrong, but he did win a road

624
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 6: playoff game and get a second contract. Yeah, then you

625
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 6: take him. It doesn't matter if it's six, right, you

626
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 6: just hand in the card because no one remembers where

627
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 6: he was taken. Ah, you know what, you could have

628
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 6: gotten better value. If you tried to trade down, you

629
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 6: could have gotten done. You could have gotten him at ten.

630
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 6: You could have moved on and picked up a third

631
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 6: round pick and gotten him at eleven. No one remembers that.

632
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 6: Just take the guys and get it right. You just

633
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 6: have to have the conviction that he is truly the guy.

634
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Unfortunately that's an inexact science. That's because

635
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: there is no sure thing. Andrew luck was probably the

636
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: surest thing that we've had in the last fifteen years

637
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position. Trevor Lawrence was probably second, and

638
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: because of a bunch of different circumstances, it hasn't gone

639
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: Obviously got the second contract. I love him. He still

640
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: looks like a franchise quarterback to me, but they have

641
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: not elicited the immediate results because of circumstances I think,

642
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: largely out of his power. But that's the thing with

643
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: it is is you just want to get at bats

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Speaker 2: at that position until you hit one out of the park.

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Speaker 2: I don't I whether it's two whatever, I'd love to

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Speaker 2: see two of them drafted. Swing and swing and swing

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Speaker 2: until you get one, I mean, and I think, what, yes,

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00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: and that's you know what that does fellas whether it's

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Speaker 2: this list of veteran free agent notables, Darnald Wilson, Daniel Jones,

650
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Speaker 2: Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton, Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 2: There's varying levels of hope that resolves. That is in

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Speaker 2: all of those guys' names high and some of it

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Speaker 2: very very low. But a rookie quarterback invigorates everything. He

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Speaker 2: gives everybody a sense of hope. And you need to

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Speaker 2: get hope back at the position guys. You got to

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Speaker 2: get hope back that there's some answer in that room

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Speaker 2: long term.

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Speaker 6: You know, go back. A lot of circumstances dictate so much, right,

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Speaker 6: Like if quarterback A went here instead of there, he

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 6: would have had a better career. We talk about that

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Speaker 6: all the time. I think this is a good setup.

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Speaker 6: You know, you have Jerry Judy, you have David Njoku,

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Speaker 6: you have a guy that is a very good play caller,

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Speaker 6: assuming Kevin takes back play calling. Although I realized that's

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Speaker 6: very much in flux here. I remember years ago and

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Speaker 6: you want to replay the ninety nine draft obviously, the

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Speaker 6: Browns took Tim Couch. I went to Syracuse. I want

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Speaker 6: to say with Donovan McNabb. We overlapped a year or two.

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Speaker 6: We knew each other and years later worked together at

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Speaker 6: NFL Network. And I asked Donathan one day, I said,

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Speaker 6: you know, I wanted, obviously you to be the choice, right,

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Speaker 6: I wanted you to be number one overall. I said,

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Speaker 6: do you think you would have had the same career

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Speaker 6: if you went to Cleveland?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely not. Never, Never would have happened. He goes, there's

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Speaker 6: an expansion team, an expansion on line. He's like, no,

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Speaker 6: I went to Philly, I got Andy Reid, I got

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Speaker 6: to sit a little bit. No, absolutely not. Circumstances matter. Okay,

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Speaker 6: I think Nathan, to your point, had even with the

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Speaker 6: record is what it is. But I think there's the

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Speaker 6: right elements here where, yes, Kevin can develop and will develop.

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Speaker 6: That guy just got to figure who that guy is.

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Speaker 3: And andrew to that point from Tom Pellasero four minutes ago,

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Speaker 3: the Browns are promoting Tommy Reese to offensive coordinator. Per sources,

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Speaker 3: A notre former Nator Dame star quarterback, Reese has become

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Speaker 3: one of the NFL's youngest coordinators at age thirty two,

688
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: previously had since at Notre Dame in Alabama as OCQB

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Speaker 3: coach before joining Kevin Stefanski's staff last year. And so

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Speaker 3: who better to work with a kid coming right out

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Speaker 3: of college then Tommy Reese.

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Speaker 2: He worked wonders with Jaln Milroe two years ago at Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Milroe was benched early in that season last year at

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Speaker 2: Alabama and then got the job back and played them

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Speaker 2: all the way to a national semifinal. They won the SEC.

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Speaker 2: He's a borderline Heisman candidate, and so he got a

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Speaker 2: lot out of Jalen Milroe. And you saw Milroe took

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Speaker 2: a step back this year at Alabama without Tommy there.

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Speaker 2: So that is a very bright sign. And I agree

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Speaker 2: with you completely that that is a mentor type situation

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Speaker 2: potentially for Tommy.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Nathan your thoughts, Yeah, I mean I think it's

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Speaker 3: this is I wanted him or Kubiak. I think Tommy Reese,

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Speaker 3: if you're starting with a young quarterback, feels like the

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Speaker 3: perfect guy to do that. To Steward that played the

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Speaker 3: position himself. You talked about what he did with Milroe

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Speaker 3: was just recently in that world in the SEC in

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Speaker 3: college football understands a lot of those concepts. I think

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Speaker 3: he's I'm very excited about this. I know that there

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Speaker 3: was a lot of interest in him around the league.

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Speaker 3: I know Rabes was interested in bringing him to New England.

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Speaker 3: I know that North Carolina he was the next guy

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Speaker 3: up if Bill Belichick didn't take that job for the HC,

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Speaker 3: for the head coaching job at the University of North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: So this is well regarded rising star and feels like

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Speaker 3: this is kind of to tie a bow on this

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Speaker 3: a sign at least. I hope that we will be

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Speaker 3: seeing a quarterback early in this draft for the Cleveland Browns,

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Speaker 3: because who better than the combination of stefanskiin Reesed to do.

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Speaker 3: That was the point I was making earlier, and then

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Speaker 3: now it is in four minutes, Tom Pelliserro's reporting that

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Speaker 3: that is the direction the Cleveland Browns are going to go.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my Do you think I think Vin?

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Speaker 3: I think it would be Kevin calling plays.

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Speaker 2: I think he could do it.

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Speaker 3: And the one thing that begs a question about it

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Speaker 3: is likely had he gone to let's say New England,

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Speaker 3: for example, it would have been as a play caller.

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Speaker 3: So to compete with potentially that kind of an offer.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps it is that he will be the play caller

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Speaker 3: for this young quarterback. Now, I think now we're getting

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Speaker 3: into like all kinds of what ifs. But for example,

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Speaker 3: let's say you bring draft the quarterback high, you have

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Speaker 3: the conversation with Kirk Cousins, he knows right away. My

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Speaker 3: guess is, if Kirk Cousins is your quarterback, you want

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Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski calling the place. They've done it together before. Sure,

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Speaker 3: But if you are drafting somebody at two, when you're saying,

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Speaker 3: you know what, away we go, and quite frankly, if

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Speaker 3: you draft them at number two, I think that they

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Speaker 3: do start right out of the gate. Tommy can call

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Speaker 3: the place. That's something to get figured out. But I

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Speaker 3: think we've got the people to cultivate and nurture a

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Speaker 3: young quarterback in place. Now with this report, the other

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Speaker 3: thing you.

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Speaker 2: Get, yeah, Tommy Reese, is you're gonna have just really quick.

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Speaker 2: I know on some draft boards, the number two quarterback

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Speaker 2: is the number one quarterback you should were Sanders. Number

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Speaker 2: two is cam Ward, number three is Quinn yours Jackson

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Speaker 2: darts on a lot of these lists. Two his top

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Speaker 2: five he at Alabama, they played Texas and they played

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Speaker 2: Ole Miss a year ago. He would have a very

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Speaker 2: good handle. At least he would have certainly what Alabama

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Speaker 2: thought of those two quarterbacks from a year ago. And

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Speaker 2: so's there's some intellectual property there that Tommy Reese has.

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Speaker 2: It could be very beneficial Andrew.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, totally. And let's not forget Gwen because the

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Speaker 6: Miami guy as well. So there's there's certainly knowledge here

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Speaker 6: is that get ready and build their way to the draft.

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Speaker 6: I look, I like it. I'm with you, Nathan, it

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Speaker 6: with him, or or Clint Kobe. I can remember the Saints

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Speaker 6: that ninety points on the board. I think the first

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Speaker 6: couple of weeks, and obviously things fell apart for them.

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Speaker 6: Either one of those would have worked for me some

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Speaker 6: of the some of the other names that were kicked around,

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Speaker 6: I was less enthusiastic about. One of these two names

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Speaker 6: makes sense for me and I and I also think,

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Speaker 6: and I think maybe one of the the the untold

768
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Speaker 6: stories are unpacked mysteries get Shatner in here during the

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Speaker 6: season was why why exactly Kevin decided to give up

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Speaker 6: a play calling. I think it's time to take it

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Speaker 6: back This is just me, not only why he did it,

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Speaker 6: but when he did it. It just didn't make sense

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Speaker 6: to me. Although I do totally understand his desire to

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Speaker 6: be in the other rooms, his desire to be more

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Speaker 6: of a head coach and not just a guy on

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Speaker 6: a play caller and focused on one thing and you know,

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Speaker 6: manage everything right. Things were getting away. He needed to

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Speaker 6: manage everything. I totally get that. Still, it was always

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Speaker 6: curious to me the timing. I would love to see

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Speaker 6: him take it back. And that's not a knock on

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Speaker 6: Tommy Reefs. I just think he's proven that he can

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Speaker 6: be that guy. It should be that guy.

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly one question now as we look ahead to

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00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: next year has been answered, and what does that mean

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00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: going forward at that position will be fascinating. Buddy, good

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Speaker 2: catch it up with you as always, Thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 6: Hey, as always, guys, I am as Nathan knows, because

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Speaker 6: I annoy the heck out of him text during the show,

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Speaker 6: I'm like from afar, yes, no, no, you get admitted.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes it's got to be annoying.

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Speaker 3: I'm a great multi guy as no you you are.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes I'll text, I'll look.

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Speaker 2: At the screen, I lose you three three, and.

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Speaker 6: I see your eyes go down to the iPad. I'm like, yeah,

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00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 6: like I Brooks Trainer thought, I'm sorry. I'm not trying

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Speaker 6: to screw you up.

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Speaker 2: Hi, buddy, good talking to you.

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Speaker 6: You got it, guys?

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Speaker 2: All right? Coming up next, our brown staff writer Kelsey

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Speaker 2: Russell will join us in studio for some of her

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Speaker 2: end of the season awards. We will get to that

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Speaker 2: writer Kelsey Russo. I will do some end of the

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Speaker 2: season awards Kels. But first all indications and reporting that

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Speaker 2: a first big win of the offseason has happened here.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Reese will come on as offensive coordinator. According to

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Speaker 2: the reports and all the indications, keeping Tommy here, who

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Speaker 2: is someone who we know was very much coveted around

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Speaker 2: the football around the football world. A nice offseason win

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Speaker 2: for the front office for Kevin Sefanski.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And you know, you had so much experience this

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Speaker 7: past season working with the titands, working in the past game.

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Speaker 7: He has experience as an offensive coordinator at Notre Dame

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Speaker 7: in Alabama, so it's a really good position for him

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Speaker 7: to move into, move higher into an NFL organization and

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Speaker 7: bring his experience to the table. So I think it's

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Speaker 7: a really good win. And you said, you know it's

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Speaker 7: somebody that Kevin knows really well from his experience, so

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Speaker 7: it's a good all around when it'll be exciting to

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Speaker 7: see what he can do.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, look at your ground, really.

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Speaker 2: Look at that?

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Speaker 3: How about it? Yeah, look it also means that when

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Speaker 3: you know, lots of times people aren't paying a great

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Speaker 3: deal of attention to who's hired as a tight ends coach,

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Speaker 3: that's a heck of a get a year ago to

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Speaker 3: get him into your building, and then now a year

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Speaker 3: later he's your offensive coordinator. And we've been talking about

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Speaker 3: you know, if you pick second, who better to work

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Speaker 3: with a young quarterback than a guy who was just

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Speaker 3: working with college quarterbacks two years ago.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be a relatability home run here with

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Speaker 2: him and a young quarterback. And we saw that from

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Speaker 2: his time both at Notre Dame and at Alabama previous

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Speaker 2: to coming here. All right, time to hand out some

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Speaker 2: end of season awards, we're looking for winners in the

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Speaker 2: following categories. Cauls, We'll start with you your Brown's most

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Speaker 2: improved player in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so I picked Cedric Tillman. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 7: in his second second season, obviously he had the injury

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Speaker 7: at the end of the season, but you know, he

858
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 7: really stepped into a more increased role within that receiving corps,

859
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 7: and so I really liked what he was able to do,

860
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 7: the connections that he builds and I just thought he

861
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 7: really showcased who he could be as a young receiver

862
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 7: in this corps and.

863
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: Just robbed at the end of that was the last

864
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: six games, and we saw it for unfortunately for three games.

865
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: It was tough, very tough.

866
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: How about you, doctor Ze most improved.

867
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: Isaiah McGuire easily. Isaiah McGuire leads the team tied with

868
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. Three forced fumbles on the season, two and

869
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: a half sacks once he became a full time starter,

870
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: eight tackles for a loss That was tied for third

871
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: on the team, behind only Miles and Jeremiah Wusukor MOTESI

872
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: with Devin Bush, who I thought had a very good

873
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: season as well. When you think about this group, he

874
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: was coming into this one as the fourth fifth defensive end, honestly,

875
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: because you think about Miles, you had Zadarius, you had Obo,

876
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: you had Alex Wright. He really didn't play much as

877
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: a rook and so for him to be able to

878
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: come in and then become really starting quality. And when

879
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: I say it, just you know, you took my on

880
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: the Browns defense at Pro Football Focus pretty sure he

881
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: was second on the team when it was all said

882
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: and done, I'm pulling that up right now, but I

883
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: thought just a tremendous progression. In year two fourth round

884
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: pick he was he was the second highest graded defender

885
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: on the team behind Miles Garrett. That's those are the

886
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: kind of picks you need when we've got some of

887
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 3: the issues that we've got in terms of salary, and

888
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: I know that they're all negotiable and navigable and we

889
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: will be fine there. But when you have a fourth

890
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: round or on two more years on a rookie deal

891
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: that you can say, you know what, next year, I'd

892
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: have no problem saying he's starting at the end of

893
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: set Miles Garrett. That's a great thing for the Browns.

894
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: All right, doctor is he? I'm going to say to

895
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: you with you on this one, You're rookie of the

896
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: Year in twenty twenty four for the Cleveland Browns.

897
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: We didn't get to see as much of them as

898
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: I would like, but I'm going to say my call.

899
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: I think my Call has the potential to be an

900
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: absolute force. And he was a guy that in his

901
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: limited time hit the quarterback a lot. Got back there.

902
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: He had six quarterback hits in eight games, had a sack,

903
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: three tackles for a loss, penetrator, aggressive upfield. We just

904
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: didn't get to see enough of them, didn't play half

905
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: of the season.

906
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, kelse all right.

907
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 7: I picked Winston Reid for this one because I thought

908
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 7: it was an interesting He played three hundred and seventy

909
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 7: three snaps on special teams, one hundred and forty four

910
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 7: defensive snaps and eight offensive snaps kind of more so

911
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 7: like in that full back row. He was all over

912
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 7: the field, and we saw his impact. You know, he

913
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 7: had one one fumble recovery, half a sack, twenty three tackles,

914
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 7: a quarterback hit, a tackle for a loss. You know,

915
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 7: he two passes defense. So he really had an impact

916
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 7: even in his time on the field wherever it was.

917
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 7: And I thought he really made a name for himself

918
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 7: being able to be so versatile, and so that's why

919
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 7: I picked him. I thought, you know, he just had

920
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 7: a really good first season not knowing what his role

921
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 7: was going to look like, and so being able to

922
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 7: find that way to impact the game in all different

923
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 7: areas really sets him up, you know, for the future

924
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 7: in the sense of he can be used in different

925
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 7: areas on the field.

926
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, force that role. Let's stay with you, Kelse

927
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: on this one team MVP not named Miles Garrett.

928
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 7: This This was tough because obviously Miles is the you know,

929
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 7: the choice. But I picked Jerry Judy for this. You know,

930
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 7: you know, you set a franchise record for receptions in

931
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 7: a season with ninety receptions, you finished fifth in team

932
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 7: history with twelve, and he named his first career Pro

933
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 7: Bowl and he was a starter and so and you

934
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 7: think about the first half of his season, was it

935
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 7: as you know, consistent as we probably people would have

936
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 7: liked to have seen. But as the season went on,

937
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 7: I felt like he found his comfort level, he really

938
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 7: found those connections and everything, and he really showcased who

939
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 7: he could be as a receiver for this team. So

940
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 7: that's why I picked him. I think he was, you know,

941
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 7: most valuable, especially in the past game.

942
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: Well showcase with Jamis too. I mean that's when it

943
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: really flipped.

944
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't have in his first seven games

945
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: with you know, with the shawna quarterback, didn't have a

946
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: single game of seventy five yards, and then from that

947
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: moment and forward, he went seventy nine seventy three. His

948
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: highest in the beginning at first seven was seventy three

949
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: go sovent nine, seventy three, eighty five, two thirty five,

950
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: sixty four, one oh eight, ninety four. Just a completely

951
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: different level of performance than we talked about most catches

952
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: in a single season, uh fifth, most yards in a

953
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: single season for the Cleveland Browns. I was get Look,

954
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: Denzel was great. Without Jerry Judy, there may have been

955
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: no joy on offense this season. I mean none. That

956
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: is the one thing that you can say, Okay made

957
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: this trade. Former first rounder is who we thought he was.

958
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: Now we have him signed. Actually had a great number

959
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: relative to his production, and he's going to be here

960
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 3: and be a big part of what we do going forward.

961
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: And you've seen it. Without that, there wasn't gonna be

962
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: a whole lot to be excited about. Offensive lead like this,

963
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: full stop period. Quarterback room is probably gonna be completely different.

964
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb gets hurt again, drome Ford showed some flashes,

965
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: certainly a couple of those long run sixty plus yards.

966
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: That's great to see. Chief was in and out of

967
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: the lineup this year. Tilman misses the last six games.

968
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: You know, without Jerry Judy, there really isn't a whole

969
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: lot that you were excited about offensively and defense is great,

970
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 3: but the NFL is about teams that can score the

971
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: football yep, and you need you do that on offense.

972
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 2: Hi, Buddy's staying with you your play or moment of the year.

973
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: Just the Jim Donovan game, Just that game, the whole game,

974
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: the feeling I had, you know, when I was just like,

975
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I remember I said one of the causes.

976
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, like, we're just winning this game. Y

977
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 3: this is no possible other outcome. And then Hamilton drops

978
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: the pick and then touchdown to Tillman, And just what

979
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: that meant to you know, I think everybody there, how cathartic,

980
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: it was what it meant to everybody myself included who

981
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: loved Jim and those who knew him and loved him,

982
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: and those who didn't know him but also loved him

983
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: because he was just such a part of their lives.

984
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: And you know, to have ab and Kevin drive out

985
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: to the family home and present them with the game

986
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: ball that day, I mean, the significance of what that

987
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: meant and the reach that it had, so beyond the

988
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: fact that we won a football game. It couldn't have happened.

989
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: It didn't matter if that, if that happens in Baltimore,

990
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 3: we beat him, it's not the same. It was the timing.

991
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: It had to be that game, It had to be

992
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: that moment, and it was, and it was just honestly,

993
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 3: it was spiritual, magical, emotional, powerful beyond what like I

994
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: understand about the everyday world.

995
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

996
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 7: I was gonna say that that same game, not only

997
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 7: for that aspect, but also then too, I was gonna

998
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 7: say Nick Chub's return. I thought, just the way that

999
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 7: the crowd reacted as well, him scoring that touchdown, it

1000
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 7: just kind of you know, obviously, I know he got

1001
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 7: hurt at the end of the season, but for him

1002
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 7: in that moment and for the fans to experience that

1003
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 7: moment with him scoring that touchdown, that I thought was

1004
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 7: a really key moment in the season of again just

1005
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 7: some joy and some hope of what the season could

1006
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 7: look like or future for him as well. Okay, he's back,

1007
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 7: he's scoring a touchdown, et cetera.

1008
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: So that moment.

1009
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 7: This was hard to choose just one. I also picked

1010
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 7: the Steelers the snow game.

1011
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean, so I think they're different like the Yeah,

1012
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: the Ravens game. Is this emotional behemoth in every possible way,

1013
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: every wide range of emotion. The Steelers game was just

1014
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: good fun. It was good. It was just good fun

1015
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: for the folks who were down there in the snow

1016
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: snow globe game.

1017
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: And you beat the steel It.

1018
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: Was stee that those two they were so different, yes

1019
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: emotionally for various reasons and obvious reasons, but both I

1020
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: think were very very special. I was so thrilled for

1021
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: the fans in that Pittsburgh one because that was just

1022
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: pure fun. Yeah, pure joys. What that one was? KELSA,

1023
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: We'll get you out of here on this one. What

1024
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 2: was your favorite story to work on this season?

1025
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 7: So kind of going off of that, I would think, honestly,

1026
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 7: my Nick Chubb long form feature that I got to do.

1027
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 7: That was a project that I had pitched during the

1028
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 7: summer and thought this could be a really cool opportunity

1029
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 7: for us to do. If you wanted to share a story,

1030
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 7: we could do that in a in a really unique format,

1031
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 7: working for the team, et cetera. So that was a

1032
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 7: labor of love. It took a lot of effort, but

1033
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 7: I talked to so many different people, had went through

1034
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 7: a bunch of rounds of edits and for Nick's openness

1035
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 7: to share what he went through in that story, thank you,

1036
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 7: But like in his recovery process, you know what Pat

1037
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 7: Rock shared that their openness to really dive in with me,

1038
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 7: to tell me what exactly he went through and happened,

1039
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 7: meant a lot. And then it also felt like I

1040
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 7: could then tell his story to that full extent, and

1041
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 7: so I hope he was really appreciated. He seemed like.

1042
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 7: It's so when I talked, when we chatted about what

1043
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 7: I wanted to do, and he was very open to

1044
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 7: sharing that with me, So that had to be that

1045
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 7: was probably my favorite favorite and not the correct word,

1046
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 7: but I felt really really honored to be able to

1047
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 7: write Jim's obituary and like the labor of love I

1048
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 7: also put into that because of what he means to

1049
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 7: this organization, to everybody, it was incredibly tough to write,

1050
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 7: but it was also very like, it was very honoring,

1051
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 7: I guess for myself to be able to share that,

1052
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 7: and so I just wanted to do him. You know,

1053
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 7: he means so much, so I want to do him justice.

1054
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 7: I wanted his story to live through, and so, like

1055
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 7: I said, favorites not the correct word, but something that

1056
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 7: was really meaningful to me and hopefully to you know,

1057
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 7: to the organization.

1058
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: Everything was back to back weeks, right because it was

1059
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: Cincinnati with Chubb and then.

1060
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, great work. Thank you, not just today but all

1061
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 2: season long. Kelsey, thank you, Gruzo, thank you for joining

1062
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,040
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Speaker 2: sideline analyst the great Er Rod Cherry joins us in girod.

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Speaker 2: We have some news today as well in that all

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Speaker 2: indications and being widely reported that Tommy Reese will be

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Speaker 2: the new offensive coordinator here with the Cleveland Browns, previously

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Speaker 2: on the staff as tight ends coach before that offensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator at Alabama and at Notre Dame. What are your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on the move?

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Speaker 8: Well, first and foremost, that talks of symmetry bow and

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Speaker 8: that makes a lot of sense to me because when

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Speaker 8: you think about what took place last offseason, what do

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Speaker 8: we do? We revamped the entire offense. So having a

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Speaker 8: guy who's been there, done that, Kevin doesn't have to

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Speaker 8: worry about a learning curve of how's he adjust to

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Speaker 8: my body language? Does he look at me sideways when

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Speaker 8: I say something He's not accustomer hearing those things go

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Speaker 8: out the windows. So the adjustment period and the acclamation

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Speaker 8: process is very limited because of the fact of what

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Speaker 8: they spent time together. So that's a great hire in

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Speaker 8: my mind. It also appears to me and I'll just

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Speaker 8: put it out there. He'll accept the idea of being

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Speaker 8: a guy who's going to run the cards, make the cards,

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Speaker 8: and allow Kevin to go back to what he does

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Speaker 8: very well, which is call plays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's also it feels to me like somebody

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Speaker 3: very well positioned to work with a young quarterback, and

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Speaker 3: I think that is obviously the goal for this team

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Speaker 3: is to get a solution at that all important position,

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Speaker 3: rightj're onten. So you have a guy that was most

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Speaker 3: recently in offensive coin ter at the University of Alabama

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Speaker 3: under Nick Saban, worked with Jaydon Milrow as oc as

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Speaker 3: well for Notre Dame. The quarterback in Notre Dame's only

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Speaker 3: thirty two years old. Should be able to relate to

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Speaker 3: these young kids and what they're going through. So it

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Speaker 3: feels to me like there are benefits on many, many

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Speaker 3: levels when it comes to the naming of Tommy Ree

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Speaker 3: says the Browns offensive coordinator exactly.

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Speaker 8: And he's certainly in space too if you have a

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Speaker 8: veteran place, he's at that age range where he defeated

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Speaker 8: that gap as well as that inexperienced rookie player that

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Speaker 8: you could be potentially looking at as well, so, no,

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Speaker 8: it makes complete sense to me to hire in house

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Speaker 8: and once again work with someone who's familiar with operations

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Speaker 8: and how things go, and also what went wrong last

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Speaker 8: season and how we can correct it.

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Speaker 2: Jeron. One of the things we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: here in our season review show, the brunt of the

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Speaker 2: things we're going to talk about with you is is

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Speaker 2: this this Cleveland Browns defense a year ago, one of

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Speaker 2: the best in the league statistically obviously fell off this

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Speaker 2: year from what it was a year ago. But how

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Speaker 2: much of that was the offensive fall off as well?

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Speaker 2: And what did you make of what you saw from

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Speaker 2: the Browns defensively in twenty twenty four compared to what

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Speaker 2: you saw in twenty twenty three?

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Speaker 8: And how much are those two things married? Oh, they're

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Speaker 8: completely married. We talk about complimentary football all day, every

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Speaker 8: day for a reason because it matters. And if you're

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Speaker 8: not playing complimentary football, and if you're in a situation

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Speaker 8: where your offense has turned the football over ad nauseum,

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Speaker 8: and we were at some point we were doing just that,

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Speaker 8: Guess what that's gonna put the defensive football unit on

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Speaker 8: the football field. That's gonna be time and possession. That's

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Speaker 8: gonna be opportunities to score, and that's gonna hurt and

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Speaker 8: impact the more raley of the defense, especially when you're

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Speaker 8: in situations where you're driving completely down the football field

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Speaker 8: and then the next thing you know, you turn the

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Speaker 8: ball over. Those things factor into how guys go out

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Speaker 8: there and do their job. But I will say this,

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Speaker 8: early on, there were some struggles with the defense. It

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Speaker 8: wasn't just on the offense. All three phases weren't playing

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Speaker 8: conpromary football, and it showed it and it reared it's

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Speaker 8: illugally had. But at some point, I feel, maybe like

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Speaker 8: four or five games into the season, you start seeing

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Speaker 8: the defense trending towards getting back to what they wore

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Speaker 8: the previous season and playing at a high level to

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Speaker 8: where you said, you know what, this defense right here

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Speaker 8: can be a playoff Calver, Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Championship style defense. Giroud. When you look at this defense

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Speaker 3: and over you're taking the two years of Jim Schwartz.

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Speaker 3: You know, they've gone twenty eight straight games now without

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Speaker 3: allowing the three hundred yard pass or second place in

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Speaker 3: that type of streak is thirteen games of the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: They are number one and third down for percentage over

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Speaker 3: the last two years. They've allowed five hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: six first downs over the last two years. That's seventy

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Speaker 3: fewer than second place, which is Kansas City. Total yards

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Speaker 3: per game over the last two years they are third

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. So they have still been very productive.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, we said it was not

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Speaker 3: necessarily to the level that you wanted. Was what really

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Speaker 3: stood out to me, and I'm curious to get your

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Speaker 3: take on how you actually changed this, if that's even possible.

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Speaker 3: Where were the takeaways? Where were the takeaways this year?

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Speaker 3: And you've got a very good secondary and a lot

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Speaker 3: of investment in the secondary that had four interceptions on

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Speaker 3: the season as a team, and by the way, Joka

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Speaker 3: had one of those picks, Denzel had two. There just

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Speaker 3: weren't the plays that you expected to be made. Why

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Speaker 3: didn't the Browns take the ball away more? Well?

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Speaker 8: One, we saw that there were ample opportunities, especially in

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Speaker 8: the secondary. Think about the PBUs that could actually have

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Speaker 8: been I and T's right, So that factors in and

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Speaker 8: you could never forget this, guys. I say this in

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Speaker 8: just it's absolutely the truth. You play dB for a reason.

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Speaker 8: If Denzel Ward had hands. Guess what he'd be playing

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Speaker 8: right now. He'd be playing wide receiver and he'd be

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Speaker 8: pretty good at it as well, so immersing the same thing.

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Speaker 8: So these guys had plenty of opportunity. Unfortunately just could

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Speaker 8: not come down with the football and the process. So

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Speaker 8: I equate some of it to that. It's a simple

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Speaker 8: fact that, hey, we just weren't getting a job done.

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Speaker 8: And then when you look at overall, it's about emphasis,

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Speaker 8: really when you are how much did we focus on

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Speaker 8: the idea of taking away the football, how much of

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Speaker 8: a ever was that practice, how much of that was drilled,

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Speaker 8: and how much of that was a process of us

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Speaker 8: just as a coach at nauseum talking about taking away

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Speaker 8: the football, taking away the football. But when you have

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Speaker 8: a bunch of things going on the way in which

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Speaker 8: we did, it's almost like, Okay, there's a sinking ship.

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Speaker 3: This hole is now open. Which one we're gonna plug.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna plug that, We're gonna plug that one.

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Speaker 8: And then you forget about the little nuances and things

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Speaker 8: of taking the turnover ball over to create turnovers when

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Speaker 8: it was obvious that we need to create turnovers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly was, And I think you as we

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Speaker 2: now are into off season mode, girod and you take

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Speaker 2: a look at the defense specifically, which is what we're

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Speaker 2: doing here, What things need to be sorted out this offseason?

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Speaker 2: What is the checklist for Andrew Berry and talking to

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Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz about the things that need to be amplified defensively,

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Speaker 2: what are the most important things for you?

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Speaker 8: Well, well, a couple of things you got going for

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Speaker 8: you. You have, especially if Joka is returning and he's able

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Speaker 8: to go out the gate, you have on all three

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Speaker 8: levels of the defense a difference maker. Obviously, Miles is

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Speaker 8: a difference maker, Joka was on his way to being

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Speaker 8: a difference maker, and Denzel is a what a difference maker?

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Speaker 3: So you have those guys who.

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Speaker 8: Are absolute and pronounced in what they're able to do

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Speaker 8: to just shut down an opponent.

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Speaker 3: Then what you want to make sure.

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Speaker 8: That you have going on is just the overall collective

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Speaker 8: attitude of the defense. And going to this season, I

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Speaker 8: was like, okay, guys, remember what happened in Houston. Where's

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Speaker 8: the honger, where's the desire? Because here's the thing I

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Speaker 8: do know, the ability, the talent, that's not the issue.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna come down to your attitude, your demeanor, and

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Speaker 8: this sense of possess what you're possessed with the idea of.

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Speaker 3: No one scoring on us. We're going to give you

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Speaker 3: the business.

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Speaker 8: If the offense is not taking care of their end

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Speaker 8: of the bargain, will still still show up and show out.

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Speaker 3: That has to be the mentality moving forward.

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Speaker 8: It really has to be one of ultra aggression because

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Speaker 8: of the fact that on a lot of levels we

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Speaker 8: didn't display that this year, and that's gonna have to

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Speaker 8: be a part of the process. So of anything, guys,

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Speaker 8: I would say it's more a mental adjustment than the

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Speaker 8: physical of what we have far as was on the roster.

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Speaker 3: When you look at this defense, obviously the headliner stood out,

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward. They stood out a great deal.

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Speaker 3: But some young players shined as well. Who were guys

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Speaker 3: that you saw that you think, you know what, These

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Speaker 3: guys have the potential to be a big part of

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Speaker 3: the solution here going forward.

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Speaker 8: There's a bunch of guys you can name Maguire, Hall, Briggs,

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Speaker 8: read Alex Right, diabate all those guys and heck, I'm

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Speaker 8: gonna throw also Bushing the well I thought he did

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Speaker 8: a good job when he got opportunity to play in

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Speaker 8: which he was making plays. So you have a bunch

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Speaker 8: of guys right there, and this is the part that's

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Speaker 8: really impressive to me. All Right, you know you're playing

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Speaker 8: for nothing, you're getting beat offenses, turning the football over.

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Speaker 8: But are these guys laying on their swords? Are these

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Speaker 8: guys quitting? Are these guys going out there still playing

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Speaker 8: the ferocious blaring into the football they were, they were competing,

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Speaker 8: and you say, well, they're pros. They're supposed to do

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Speaker 8: that normally in a situation like that, Guys, I can

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Speaker 8: attest to it because I've seen it. Some guys pack

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Speaker 8: up their bags, count the practices and their checks and

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Speaker 8: don't give you no effort, but just enough to get

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Speaker 8: by to say that they're doing their job, not putting

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Speaker 8: in full fledged effort like we saw. So there's certainly

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Speaker 8: something to build with this defense and what you have there. Again,

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Speaker 8: it's gonna be about what we do out the gate,

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Speaker 8: what we're doing in mini camp, what we're doing in

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Speaker 8: training camp, what we're doing in preseason games to set

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Speaker 8: ourselves up in a situation where we have a foundation

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Speaker 8: in which to build upon and not come into the

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Speaker 8: season struggling with our sea Legsdord.

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Speaker 2: What's it like in you the last couple of seasons

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Speaker 2: on the sideline a front row seat to what Miles

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Speaker 2: Garrett does weekend and week out.

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Speaker 8: Ah, it's a thing of beauty to watch one of

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Speaker 8: the best in the business or ever to do it,

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Speaker 8: do what they do and just what he brings to

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Speaker 8: the table, because there's an element of great athletic ability

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Speaker 8: being applied, there's an element of thought provoking of how

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna set up a guy, how I'm gonna beat

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Speaker 8: the guy. And then from the x's and o's standpoint,

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Speaker 8: guy I watched, I want to say it was the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I watched him.

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Speaker 8: Dedicate their whole play calling to Miles Garrett. It was

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Speaker 8: phenomenal in that, Okay, if we're gonna go deep, we're

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Speaker 8: gonna double teams Miles. If we're gonna go with a

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Speaker 8: shorter route, we're gonna single up with Miles. And one time,

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Speaker 8: one time, they violate that principle and guess what happened,

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Speaker 8: Miles got the sack. So just watching someone that dominant

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Speaker 8: that you dedicate your entire game plan to slowing him

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Speaker 8: down in that if you don't do that, it's gonna

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Speaker 8: blow up in your face.

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Speaker 3: And the witness that it's been incredible.

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Speaker 8: But you see a week in and week out, which

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Speaker 8: is another reason why Miles Garrett should be the defensive

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Speaker 8: Player of the Year because no one gets schemed like

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Speaker 8: he gets schemed to get stopped.

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Speaker 3: I think it's double team, triple team at the highest

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Speaker 3: rate in the league. Led the league in tackles for

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Speaker 3: a loss. Had the fourteen sacks Traight Hendrickson, ultimately we

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Speaker 3: would go on to lead the league with sixteen and

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Speaker 3: a half sacks there. But yeah, he has been great. Now,

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Speaker 3: one thing that at times has looked very good for

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns and others certainly did not special teams

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Speaker 3: and you know, you understand that side of the business

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Speaker 3: very well. But work has had a great year. But

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Speaker 3: you know, Dustin Hopkins struggled. We gave up a kick

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Speaker 3: return touchdown, we gave up a punt return touchdown. What

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Speaker 3: did you see happening on there on that special teams

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Speaker 3: unit under Bubba vent Tron in this season.

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Speaker 8: Well, you saw a mixed back situation because whenever you

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Speaker 8: hear a touchdown in the conversation with special teams, Bubba

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Speaker 8: will be the first to tell you you failed. You

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Speaker 8: never give up tds in a special teams game. You

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Speaker 8: just don't do that now, obviously, And I don't actually

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Speaker 8: just don't do that. I don't care if it's a

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Speaker 8: black punt, I don't care. If it's a return you

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Speaker 8: just don't do or a field goal, you just don't

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Speaker 8: do that. So what I saw is in those situations

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Speaker 8: where we had those returns, just simply guys, do your

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Speaker 8: proper execution from a laan coverage standpoint and get the

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Speaker 8: job done and when the tackle and opportunity presents itself,

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Speaker 8: make the play. It was really that simple, once again,

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Speaker 8: beating ourselves and not doing what we were instructed and

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Speaker 8: coached to do. So the issues not being coached on

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Speaker 8: what to do. The issue is executing and doing what

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Speaker 8: you're taught to do. So that's what I saw really

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Speaker 8: on special teams this year of why it was not

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Speaker 8: to the level that we expected to be and why

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Speaker 8: we had the big returns on a regular basis, And

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Speaker 8: obviously that's not a good thing.

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Speaker 3: We have to shure that up.

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Speaker 8: And it's not like we don't have guys who are

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Speaker 8: dedicated to the game of playing special teams at a

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Speaker 8: high level.

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Speaker 3: We have that along with some starters.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm pretty sure it was a year ago

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Speaker 2: in the season review show that a meal you had

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Speaker 2: at Mastro's. I believe that in Houston.

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Speaker 3: That was his moment of the year.

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Speaker 2: That was your moment of the year last year. Hi, buddy,

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Speaker 2: what was your best meal on the road this season?

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Speaker 8: This meal on the road this season? It won't be

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Speaker 8: a state joint this year. And don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 8: where we go Jack Ruby's in Cincinnati, that was That

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Speaker 8: was a fine meal and Nate Dog once again, Dog,

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Speaker 8: thank you for coming through and setting it up and

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Speaker 8: taking care of your boys.

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go with Gibby.

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Speaker 8: I don't know where you had, Dog, but wherever the

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Speaker 8: name of that diner is in Denver? Where seven that

1349
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 8: breakfast burrito? That bad Boy was fire. I went back

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Speaker 8: two days.

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Speaker 3: In a route, ran it back, ran it back. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, walk from the hotel to that bad Boy.

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Speaker 8: That's how dedicated I was to it in probably twenty

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Speaker 8: degree weather.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good, that's good. We'll track down the details

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Speaker 2: on the breakfast breedo. My friend, great job all season long,

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Speaker 2: and thank you so much for taking the time with

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Speaker 2: us today on the Year in Review Show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Pal, I appreciate it. Guys, take care all right.

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Speaker 2: That's Brown Sideline analyst JH. Rod Cherry joining on the

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Speaker 2: Twist Teachtline brought you by two Steve hard I see

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Speaker 2: Coming up next on this special season Year in Review Show,

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Speaker 2: we'll take a look at the jobs going forward for

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01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski. Listened Cleveland Browns Daily on

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Speaker 2: eight fifty ESPN, Cleveland.

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Speaker 5: Nick Chubb, that's the eye pitch laft Nick Chubb running left.

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Speaker 2: Nick chomp is.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back and welcome.

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Speaker 2: is two on six forty five two thousand of us

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Speaker 2: at Ohio Businessmachines dot Com. Time to have a little

1378
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 2: conversation Z about our general manager and our head coach.

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01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 2: Obviously a very big off season for both of them.

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Speaker 2: Both of those guys hired with a lot of the

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Speaker 2: building blocks in place, and the job was to help

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Speaker 2: accentuate those building blocks. And then they made the decision

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Speaker 2: at quarterback to go off of Baker and onto Deshaun.

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Speaker 2: And we've been over that a million times. But now

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Speaker 2: at this point in their ten years, they have to

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Speaker 2: find a way to rewrite this ship. And so that

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Speaker 2: is that is the job heading into a critical off

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Speaker 2: season for this franchise.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: The most critical for this regime. All that we finally

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01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,879
Speaker 3: have had some continuity five seasons now. They signed extensions

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Speaker 3: prior to last year. You go back and you mentioned

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Speaker 3: kind of the domino that set a lot of the

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Speaker 3: stuff in motion, and that was the realization that you

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: have to compete with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson every

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Speaker 3: single year in your division, and Mahomes and Allen and

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Speaker 3: all of that, and that they felt like they needed

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Speaker 3: to take a huge swing at the quarterback position to

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Speaker 3: get somebody that was a top five, top eight quarterback

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Speaker 3: in the league that could compete with them. They did

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Speaker 3: not feel like they had that in Baker Mayfield. They

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01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 3: felt like they needed to go try to get that.

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Speaker 3: And the only reason a quarterback that had been at

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Speaker 3: that level early in their careers available is because there

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Speaker 3: was something, some baggage that came along with it, and

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Speaker 3: they took the swing. You understand the swing. It made

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 3: total sense to take the swing, and there were many

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Speaker 3: teams obviously that were into it, but it has not

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Speaker 3: worked out the way that you thought it would. Quite frankly,

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01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 3: from a football on field level, nobody in the world

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Speaker 3: thought that it was going to go to this level.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got the injuries and the re injury and

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Speaker 3: that's it. So you are faced now with the biggest

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Speaker 3: and most important offseason I think yet because you have

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Speaker 3: an asset the number one you haven't had a first

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Speaker 3: round pick period in three seasons as a result of

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Speaker 3: that big swing, but number two and more importantly, you're

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Speaker 3: picking second in the NFL draft and you do not

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01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 3: hope to be picking second ever again quite frankly, that

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Speaker 3: you've got to get a quarterback solution. Period. Until you

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Speaker 3: have that, you have nothing. You have nothing, and there

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Speaker 3: are would it be fun to be the Bucks or

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Speaker 3: the Steelers and win nine ten games every year and

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Speaker 3: go to the Pups. Yes, it is fun. It actually

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: is quite a bit of fun. But is the goal

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01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 3: just to be fun or is the goal to win

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Speaker 3: a super Bowl? Because those teams are Neither of those

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Speaker 3: teams is anywhere near winning a Super Bowl. And when

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Speaker 3: you think about the Bucks in the Super Bowl run

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Speaker 3: that they went on in the modern nfls because they

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Speaker 3: had to bring in Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt. And there's a lot of teams like that.

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Speaker 2: Seattle's like that, where there's there is a ceiling and

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01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: it's it's concrete, very and you're not gonna be able

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Speaker 2: to bust through it order to If you really want

1436
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: to aspire to be Kansas City and Baltimore and Cincinnati

1437
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 2: and Buffalo and the teams that wake up every season

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Speaker 2: and go, hey, let's go win the damn thing, then

1439
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 2: you got to have that position. This is a This

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Speaker 2: potentially is a career defining off season.

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Speaker 3: For Andrew Berry. He is at number two pick in

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Speaker 3: the draft.

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Speaker 2: He has a roster that there's going to be some

1444
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 2: complicated things that are gonna have to take place, but

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of talent on it. There is a

1446
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: lifeboat in the number two pick in the draft. And

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 2: to our point that we've been making really off season long,

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Speaker 2: whether it's at number two overall or with whatever, the

1449
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Speaker 2: way you've said it is the perfect way to say it.

1450
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Speaker 2: Somehow this has to elicit the answer a quarterback. Yeah,

1451
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: it has to, whether it's too directly or it turning

1452
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: into other things to get you there. It has to

1453
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: get you an answer at quarterback for the next three

1454
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Speaker 2: to five minimum and five to ten hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because until you have that, unfortunately in this league,

1456
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 3: you don't have anything. And listen, folks, if you do

1457
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 3: take that quarterback it two, you've got to have some

1458
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 3: patience with it. Now, there are cases the bow Knicks,

1459
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 3: Jade and Daniels certainly where right out of the gate

1460
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 3: was perfect. Drake May certainly didn't have a winning season,

1461
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Speaker 3: but you saw signs that it was going to be good,

1462
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 3: and they need to upgrade the talent around him. But

1463
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Speaker 3: then there's Bryce Young who struggled through his rookie season,

1464
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: was benched this year and then came back. And now,

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Speaker 3: if you're Carolina, I think you feel really good about

1466
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 3: where he is and what he has become the way

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Speaker 3: he finished the season on the road in Atlanta. That

1468
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 3: was a playoff game for the Atlanta Falcons. Yes, and

1469
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 3: he beat them. He beat them. I think he can

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Speaker 3: make five total touchdowns himself in that game. That's the

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Speaker 3: whole thing. You're here, you have an opportunity to control

1472
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Speaker 3: your destiny in that regard. And I go back to

1473
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Speaker 3: you know, sixteen, the Browns traded out of that. They

1474
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 3: ended up getting Corey Coleman the Browns. Not that I

1475
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: was a pure golf guy, but the Browns probably would

1476
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 3: have been better off off based on what we saw

1477
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Speaker 3: with Carson Wentz in that draft.

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Speaker 2: Well before he got hurt. The following year he was

1479
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Speaker 2: the NBA. Yeah, so something happened. But yeah, yeah, and

1480
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: I think until you have it, you just got to

1481
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: keep casting man.

1482
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to.

1483
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 2: You got to figure that thing out. In terms of coach,

1484
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: Stefanski this year made the decision to give up play calling.

1485
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: All signs pointing to Tommy Reese being the offensive coordinator

1486
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 2: next year here. That's a big retention. That is a

1487
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: big win to keep him. He was coveted around the league,

1488
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: so that's huge. If all of the signs pointing in

1489
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 2: that direction, How does Kevin self scout what happened this

1490
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: year and how do you think, knowing him as well

1491
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 2: as you do, he gets back to being the coach

1492
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: offensively something that fits his eye a little bit more,

1493
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: because I don't know if he was ever comfortable in

1494
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: what we were doing offensively this year.

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Speaker 3: Certainly the result he was no and the results certainly

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Speaker 3: were were not great. And he's been able to be

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Speaker 3: pretty successful without an elite quarterback for his entire time here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know he got prior to this year in Tampa,

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Speaker 3: got the best play of Baker mayfield S career, and

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Speaker 3: I would say from a touchdown interception ratio the best

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Speaker 3: he was twenty and two over that from Week seven

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Speaker 3: on in that season. You know, we got certainly better

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01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 3: play than they got out of Jacoby Brissett in in

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01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 3: New England. He got good play, great the best play

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01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 3: we've seen out of Joe Flacco since he's come back

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01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 3: to the league or since he was you know, with

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Speaker 3: the Jets, and since he's left Baltimore. So it's there.

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: You just need to figure it out now. Tom Pelsero

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 3: says the Browns are going back to Kevin Stefanski's roots

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Speaker 3: offensively and promoting a bright young coach. He thinks highly

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01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 3: of next up finding a quarterback. So it doesn't necessarily

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01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: say Kevin's gonna call plays, but certainly it feels like

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01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 3: it's set up for him to do that as he

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01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: goes back to his roots. Per se. I think who

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 3: they bring in will be very interesting and you'll go

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 3: from there. I think you've got looking at this off

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 3: season and for him, number one, you need to have

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Speaker 3: a good running back, and i'd love to see Nick

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01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 3: Chubb back. We don't know necessarily what he's going to be,

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01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 3: you know, coming off of now another injury. Obviously it's

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01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: still really coming back from the first one. The running

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Speaker 3: back class in this draft is loaded loaded. You could

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Speaker 3: get a superstar thirty three.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: You can get a probably a superstar in the third round,

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 3: and you've got three third round picks, So I think

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Speaker 3: you're going to address that position. You got to get

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01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 3: the quarterback and then from that, you know you're filling it.

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Speaker 3: To me, it's all about people who can score the football.

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 3: If that's just to me what it is all about

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 3: in this league. You've got to be able to score

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 3: and how do you score playmakers? Yes, you need an

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01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 3: offensive line, and you saw last night the Vikings Zoo

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01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 3: line got dominated. But for the most season they were

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01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 3: pretty good. But you've got to be able to score.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm all about quarterback and weapons. Quarterback and weapons.

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 3: I like what we are on defense. Obviously you want

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 3: to keep adding to that. But you know McGuire, my

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01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: call Bricks certainly showed that he can play in this

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01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 3: league at the defense tackles, and you're in a good

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01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 3: spot there. But you've got to keep adding. But really

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01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 3: it's identifying if Kevin Stefanski is gonna be able to

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01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 3: run this offense, he needs to have some guys that

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01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 3: he can run with. You need another receiver, you need

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01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: to think about as a good tight end class a

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01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 3: young tight end because you don't have a young, ascending

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01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 3: tight end behind David Njoku. You have a lot of needs.

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Speaker 3: But the one thing to me is I feel like

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01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 3: on the offensive line you can find it. Jermaina Fetti

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01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 3: stepped in and honestly played just fine.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more just it's fine, yep, just fine. So

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Speaker 2: this is obviously a huge off season for everybody involved,

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01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 2: a huge draft for everybody involved. ESPN, NFL Draft and

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Speaker 2: College football analyst Jordan Reid will join us on that

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Speaker 2: College Football analyst Jordan Reed. He's a great friend of

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Speaker 2: the program. Jordan, thank you so much for the time,

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Speaker 2: That's a good job out of you. Let's start with

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01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: this draft in One of the things you start to

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Speaker 2: hear already here early is, oh, this is a bad

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01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 2: quarterback draft. What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: And what do you make of the quarterbacks at the.

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Speaker 2: Top of this draft or even into the middle of

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Speaker 2: this draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that seems to be the common theme with this

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Speaker 4: year's draft class. First and foremost thing, you guys for

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01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 4: having me on. It's always a pleasure to being here.

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01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 4: I always love joining you guys. But with this quarterback class,

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01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 4: I think we were so spoiled with last year's class,

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 4: you know, with Kavin Williams and Drake May and Jayden

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01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 4: Daniels and Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix and JJ mccarthyk

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01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 4: we had six go in the top twelve pix. So

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Speaker 4: it's never gonna be a great quarterback class whenever you're

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Speaker 4: comparing it to that class. And this class is nothing

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01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 4: like last year's class. And the two guys you hear

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01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 4: about at the top of Shador Sanders of Colorado and

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 4: then also camp Ward of Miami. But outside of that

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01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 4: there really isn't a CONSISTUS quarterback three right now. So

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01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 4: obviously this year's class isn't as nearly as strong as

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 4: last year's draft class, but there is still some good

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01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 4: players at the top, led by those.

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Speaker 3: Two, Jordan, if you were gonna slot into a combined

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Speaker 3: draft class scenario, cam Ward, shuduor Sanders, I'll even throw

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Speaker 3: out the name that we've heard a little bit about,

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Speaker 3: Jackson Dart. Where would they be in last year's draft class.

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Speaker 6: That's a great question.

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01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 4: I think both of them probably would be in that

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01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 4: Pinnix and then also bo Nick's tier. I had both

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01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 4: of those guys at the bottom of that class at

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Speaker 4: five and six, and the rankings last year. I think

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Speaker 4: cam Ward and then also Shador would definitely be in

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Speaker 4: the mix for that, and then after that Dart will

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Speaker 4: obviously be in a tier below those guys, So they

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Speaker 4: probably be in the mix for that five, six or

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Speaker 4: seventh slot in last year's class.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Jared, In terms of you already have a mock

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Speaker 2: draft out, of course you have us taking Shuder Sanders

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Speaker 2: number two overall if the board does fall that way.

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Speaker 2: What is it about Shadeur that you think would be

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Speaker 2: a fit and a Kevin Stefanski offense.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's offense that's really predicated upon plan on time,

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01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 4: being accurate, and also ball player as well. And those

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01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 4: are really the traits when you're talking about building a

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01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 4: scout and report fors to door Sanders, those are things

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01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 4: that his game is predicated upon. He loves playing on

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01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 4: ton excuse me. He has really good ball placements, he

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01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 4: has really good accuracy, and then the poison, the toughness

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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 4: that he plays with. I think those are some of

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01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 4: the traits that he really relies on in his game. Now,

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01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 4: he does need to get the ball out quicker. I

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 4: think that's something that he does need to get better at.

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01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 4: And then stop taking so many egregious sacks. I think

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01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 4: that's another area of where he has to improve upon.

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01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 4: But if we're just talking about the quarterback that aligns

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01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 4: the best with the Kevin Skafanski offense, it would be

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Speaker 4: Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: When you think about you mentioned he would be kind

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Speaker 3: of in that Penix bow nixless and Penick certainly look

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Speaker 3: good at the end of last year. Yeah, and you

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01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 3: think about from the other standpoint, bow Nicks led a

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Speaker 3: Denver team that nobody thought was going to go to

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Speaker 3: the playoffs, to the playoffs. If you were at two,

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01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 3: do you feel like, because of the importance of the position,

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01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 3: you understand where the Cleveland Browns are, Is it a

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01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 3: no brainer for you that you would take you know,

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Speaker 3: either Warder Sanders.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 4: There's so many different layers to this discussion for the Browns,

1645
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 4: I could be here talking all day about it.

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01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 3: I think not past three, but go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I think it really just depends on how they feel

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01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 4: about both of these guys at the top. But what

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Speaker 4: I keep coming back to is that I just feel

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01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 4: like this regime has to win games next year. And

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01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 4: we already heard Miles Geartt come out and basically say that,

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01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 4: hey man, I just want to compete next year. Showed

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01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 4: me that this team is trying to compete and you

1654
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 4: don't want to do anything to fish your star player off.

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01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 4: So I think they're in a situation of where they

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Speaker 4: have to take a quarterback. In my opinion, now, they

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01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 4: don't need to force one just because you never want

1658
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 4: to take a guy just to take one.

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Speaker 6: But I just think the.

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Speaker 4: Circumstances surrounding this regime and where they are at the

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01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 4: quarterback spot right now, and then just the variables with

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Speaker 4: this class, I think they're in a situation of where

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Speaker 4: they have to take a quarterback. Now there's I don't

1664
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 4: think there's a quarterback that's worthy of the number one

1665
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 4: or number two overall pick in my opinion, in this

1666
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 4: draft class. But that's just the circumstances that are surrounding

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Speaker 4: the regime right now where they have to take a quarterback.

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01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 4: There's more talented players at the top of this year's class,

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01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 4: whether it's Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter. We've seen both

1670
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 4: of those players have phenomenal years this year. But I

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01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 4: just think the Browns are in a situation of where

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01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 4: they have to figure out a way to address the

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks lab turn.

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Speaker 2: Is there a guy beyond those first two that you

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01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: like that's kind of in that next group that intrigues

1676
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 2: you at least maybe not so much where you think, oh, yeah,

1677
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 2: this guy's worthy of going one or two, but where

1678
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: you could see an NFL starting future in their future.

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01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 4: As far as it's a quarterback or just any position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, quarterbacks, quarterbacks, non Shdoor and cam Ward.

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01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 4: I don't see anybody in this class. Honestly, I wouldn't

1682
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 4: feel comfortable about taking any of the other guys at

1683
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 4: the top of this draft class. And you're gonna hear

1684
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 4: plenty of names that I talked about. Woman Jackson Dart,

1685
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 4: Jalen Milroe could be another that rises up. The boys

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01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 4: don't see him being around one prospect right now. I

1687
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 4: don't have him grated anywhere near that territory. And that's

1688
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 4: why I said the Browns are in such a tricky

1689
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 4: situation of where it really is Shador or cam at

1690
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 4: the top of the draft class, just because I don't

1691
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 4: see any of the quarterback round one worthy right now?

1692
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 3: Is there anybody Will Howard a McCord that would be,

1693
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: you know, in the third round or so that you

1694
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: think could be like a Kirk Cousins or you know,

1695
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 3: somebody that was drafted in the middle rounds but ends

1696
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 3: up becoming you know, a decent starter down the road.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think Dark could be that guy.

1698
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 4: But I think once he gets to the Senior Bowl

1699
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 4: and he plays really well down there, I think his

1700
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 4: stock is probably gonna rise to where he goes somewhere

1701
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 4: late second, early third, if I had to guess right now.

1702
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 4: So now you're looking at potentially somebody like quin you

1703
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 4: Weres at Texas, Dylan Gabriel of Oregon, Will Howard, as

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01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 4: you mentioned, Riley Leonard of Notre Dame was probably a

1705
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 4: letter round Picky, and Cayle McCord so who had a

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01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 4: really good rebound year at Syracuse. I think those are

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Speaker 4: your names that definitely could go in that mid to

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01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 4: late round range. But if I had to bet on

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Speaker 4: one that could end up being that Kirk Cousins type,

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01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 4: cal McCord at Syracuse, I think he's one that could

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01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 4: be worth a shot just because of what he showed

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01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 4: during his rebound year at Syracuse, and I think he

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01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 4: has some really good traits to potentially maybe be a

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Speaker 4: spot starter. I think that's probably a ceiling.

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Speaker 3: What about Will Howard, who obviously people listening to this

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Speaker 3: show in Ohio's seen the run that he's been on,

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Speaker 3: potentially leading them to the national championship, which feels pretty

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01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 3: likely some high completion percentage of good size. What about

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Speaker 3: Will Howard? What do you sign to see him or

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01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 3: do you have a comp for him.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a coump for him that I really

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01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 4: love right now, but I think he has a lot

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01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 4: of the traits that you like at the position. As

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01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: you mentioned the size six five to Ford. He's mobile,

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01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 4: has really good accuracy. He can throw the ball down

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01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 4: the field. He's been really hot over the past a

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01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 4: few games in the Cockerball Playoff. He's had some really

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01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 4: good moments that I thought he didn't show at Kansas State.

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01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 4: I think he's developed much more as a passer in

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01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 4: this Ohio State offense. I would say he's a third

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01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 4: or fourth round guy right now if I had to

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 4: guess without him going through the pre draft stuff right now,

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01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 4: that's where I would feel comfortable thinking Will Howard right now.

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01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 4: But he definitely has some traits that I think can

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01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 4: help him on the next level.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jordan will get you out of here on

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01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 2: this one, buddy, and we greatly appreciate your time. You

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01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 2: gotta put but the vast Jordan Reed is state on

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01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: one player in this draft being a dude. Who do

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01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 2: you put it on?

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01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 4: Well, man, you guys have putting me on the spot.

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01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with my top player in the draft,

1743
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 4: and that's Travis Hunter of Colorado. I mean, we haven't

1744
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 4: seen anything like this, honestly since Champ Bailey when he

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01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 4: was coming out of Georgia in the late nineties two

1746
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 4: way player like this, and Champ ended up playing on

1747
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 4: the defensive side full time. But just his ability to

1748
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 4: affect the offense and defense from both sides of the ball.

1749
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 4: He's just a player that if I had to stand

1750
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 4: on the table or pound the table for one player

1751
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 4: in this draft, it would be Travis Hunt and just

1752
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 4: how special he is on both sides of the ball.

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01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 2: Well, Jordan, we greatly appreciate your time, buddy. I'm sure

1754
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: we'll see you over at the Combine next month. Thank

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01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 2: you so much for giving us a little bit of

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01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 2: your time today.

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01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you guys. As always.

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Speaker 2: All right there, it is ESPN's Jordan Reed, NFL Drafts

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Speaker 6: Parash of the game to the right.

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Speaker 5: Now, Ford motions to the left, Winston to throw fourth out,

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Speaker 3: He jumps touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Jameis Winston and how thankful full we were to have

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Speaker 3: He guided you to those two wins that were, you know,

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Speaker 3: two of the more fun wins that we've had here

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Speaker 3: Ravens and the Jim Donovan game. The magic there, the

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Speaker 3: touchdown to Tillman in the snow just the joy he had,

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Speaker 3: just what a character. He was always very easy to

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Speaker 3: talk to, generous with his time, had the gift of gab,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, and you know it was just you saw

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